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Hokies Fail to Catch Tigers by the Tail · Boundary Corner Podcast

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Welcome back to the boundary Corner podcast with my partner.
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Brian Sigler. I'm Curtis Wilson, Brian.
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Do we play a perfect game? No, we did.
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We did not play a perfect game. It was not even close to a
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perfect game. It was a lot closer to our
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predictions though. So take that for what you will
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damn clothes diapers. Actions.
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If you know you don't fumble inside the tin one time you
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don't fumble inside. There are 15 one time.
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We're hell we're probably right on the number poke.
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Very true. Man.
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Hokies fall. Forty five to ten as all you
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listening. No you guys are informed
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pokefans for sure but you know 45:10 it is what it is.
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You know, we're on spitball tonight.
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Guys, we got on about 45 minutes.
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It's ago, watching the game, started chatting, and we were
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talking about, we're going to feel Rundown.
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And we sat there, we chatted and buying just put in defense
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offense, what's next? We're spitballing here.
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So yes, my put we played a played, a will McAvoy there,
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throw out the rundown, the ramping, you know, what can you
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say? That's an elite team that we
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just played with one baby. The best Collegiate quarterbacks
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that's ever played with one of the best Collegiate running
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backs that ever played. Some good receivers when it some
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good Defenders with a great coaching staff.
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And we're sitting here talking its third and four where the
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45-yard line? And we were run.
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The playing Brian curses, fuck. Man in pain pain pain.
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That's it a lot of pain. Well that was kind of indicative
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of the night. This is the this is another
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classic 2020 Hokies football game.
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Ladies and gentlemen, where for 1/2, you had one side of the
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team that played pretty damn well in the The other side just
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didn't make enough plays and then in the second half, the
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wheels fell off and a one score game turns into a four score
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game and that's what it is. And we've become accustomed to
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seeing that consistently from this team this year.
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I mean, he went out there, you're 17 ten-and-a-half had a
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chance to potentially tie it going into half and got too
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conservative and then almost got lucky and sticking one in but it
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came up inches short and then you know, just the complete
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second have dud that we all saw coming but hope wouldn't happen.
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Well we didn't see it coming up michelina me and Brian some
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other folks that we talked with have arguments because I was
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fine with the conservative called 55 seconds, three time
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outs with Clemson, we fuck up there.
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It we're going to be down 14 and we talked about managing
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emotions. I mean times, especially the
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last two years, have we seen when we go down this team
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fucking crumble, and that's why I was fine with it, it sucked
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people. I felt like, into me my vantage,
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it looked like someone had Eames arm when he didn't reach out for
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it. People said he just didn't reach
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out. But aren't you talk Brian?
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As a football player if it's here, you've got to protect his
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Instinct over. Sorry I was fine with what we
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did you want and I was not some other people that argue with me
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and I mean, you know, is what it is, but you can say why you were
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not. You're down.
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One scored a Clemson before halftime at a chance, to be tied
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with Clemson going into halftime from a mindset perspective,
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being tied against a team, ranked as high as Clemson.
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Feels a whole lot better than coming up, six inches short,
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because you got too damn conservative with a minute.
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In a change. To start the drive, you got to
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be aggressive, you're not up if you were up.
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Sure, take the conservative route.
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Make sure they don't have a chance to score again before.
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Half-time. You're down.
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You're not playing for anything. Take a damn risk.
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Roll the dice. Hey, Bravo defense.
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Doing we came out though? I mean they came out there,
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would they get a stop? And then you know deep as first
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have to, if you told me the way they played, And I would have
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been shocked. That was, by far the first half.
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And parts of the early second half was the best Jake and his
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called a game. The guys played great.
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We tackle pretty good. Brian, we tackled a whole lot
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better than I expected against the team's good at not getting
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tackled. Who played we played leverage.
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Well, we gave up the big chunks. We said it here, we set it here
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just a few days ago. They're going to get chunks.
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Try to stop those come from being touchdowns.
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We did, first big chunk of the night was the fourth play of the
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game. Now we stopped it and then we
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held to a field goal, which was like the biggest victory.
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Yeah. They that that set the tone for
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the first half and until that last Drive, where they took the
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the lead, it kind of felt like We felt confident in the way we
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were playing. Yeah, that well.
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And that was important at that point in the game.
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And then, you know, you had one touchdown, then you start
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getting in your in your mind a little bit and I will say
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something else. What happens to brag or Nelson's
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brain when he reaches the opponent's 35-yard line?
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Nobody fucking knows, dude, what happens?
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It's like, I have no idea what like, that's something you can't
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cure. No, it's not.
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That's it. Does it all the time?
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All the time, all the time, and it's better inside the 10.
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He, the third, it's the 35 to the 10 where he is not awful in
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the words of Gilbert Godfrey and one of your favorite, he's a
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moron. Ron.
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He's a moron. You know what he is?
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He's a moron. I mean, 35 a couple times and it
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was, you know, that's that's reasonable distance for Brian
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Johnson. It's three.
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It's a tentacle reform and we were doing these idiotic things
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or not. Any, I like things sometimes.
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How about predictable If predictable and bad.
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Let's pussy foot behind the line of scrimmage with the play that
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we usually call. Yeah, that was another one.
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And then all of a sudden, you know, your it second and 14 or
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third and 15 and I'm going to say.
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So I've been up and down on this player a lot.
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But this player had a bad game today that's Brock Hoffman and
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not not between the whistles rock.
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Often had a Game once the whistle blew Brock Hoffman was
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not doing what I said and that is controlling your emotions and
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playing within the game, the hero, he controlling 0, he is
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asking and she waited. Yeah.
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I mean you know it's bad we were like yeah he's playing so bad.
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We're gonna put it in there. We're gonna roll We Roll roll
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that, that snapping Dice. And we're going to say, we'll
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take a couple snaps over over quarterbacks head over.
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You know, bonehead play, we're losing 15 yards anyway, we might
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as well lose it within the. Whistles is true man.
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It's true and it's one of those things where you know, what he
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brings with the nastiness he brings the edge which is great
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but too many time and it seems like too many times we're in
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scoring situations. Where we're driving the ball.
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It's been happening. Yeah, we get a good play on on,
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on what third down or second out second.
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And it was In were already in field goal range and we get a
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good play on second down and then you get it backed up 15
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yards. So instead of a third and two,
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you're at you know, third and 20 for something like, what are you
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doing, man? Just Play the game you need to
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play. Like you're not gaining an edge.
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If you do stuff after the whistle, you gain an edge by
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everything. You do, within the whistle,
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what, then the whistle till the echo of the whistle.
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Yeah. The stuff that happened, the day
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that the play was over. He just launched himself and it
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was just like, what are you doing?
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Yeah, they took the quarterback to the ground but that's their
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job. It's not like you were engaged.
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It's not like them. It was 10 seconds after and they
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throw a shoulder on Braixen laying down.
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The play was Rover. The guy was within his right to
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do what he did and you go in there and you let his shoulder
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and it went from like, was it? Like you would have been, like,
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third one, I've been wanting. And then, of course, third and
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20, let's go back to the play. Calling in third and 20 is
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slightly, we need to take a shot.
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We're not within, well, not with in field goal range because at
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that point out, it would've been like a 60-yard, ER, but it's
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like, okay. You would probably straight run
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a screen run, something where you can get, maybe five or ten
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regardless, if what do we do? Was it?
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Yeah yeah it was it was another quarterback run and so a lot of
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those tonight so a lot of those from three different
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quarterbacks tonight or back the way we were before we got on the
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Tweet went out. That Hendon hooker could not get
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warm when he got into the, he went back out there, the second
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he was not right, he was not right when he took Took that
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snap know, in my personal opinion, he should have been on
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the field. I'm I don't, I don't know what
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what the words were exchanged. In terms of him conveying stuff
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to the staff, but if he was dealing with that, to that
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degree, he should not have been on the field, not at all.
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And that's all there is, you know, before we take your point
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malpractice. Because if he really was, if he
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was really feeling like that, you don't put him out there
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because that could mean so anything that could mean your
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logical things. That can mean he's coming down
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with the flu. That could mean so many bad
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things in it, kind of started early.
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Because with that, that weird now, where he worried fumbled
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it, he looked like his brain and his body weren't communicating.
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No, they weren't there's something going on, so Where's
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up for him from, you know, you know, for all of us.
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Again, these guys are playing a rough game, we pull for the
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players, 100%. I still think whomever the coach
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is next year, if Hendon is healthy.
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Henan is a viable Division. 1 starting quarterback in a very
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good one. He's been putting from Bad
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situations this year. Absolutely.
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And I, you know, I think he's a guy that if we wanted to see him
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take some of those next steps. We had talked about before the
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season. He probably needed a full
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offseason something. I'm sure that that's working
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against him. The stuff would go with to start
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the season in him not getting as many practices, worked against
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him and then just some of the play calls and some of the the
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fact that he's having a tote The ball a lot more than you
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probably should have it takes a toll on you, man.
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And, you know, I don't know if any of that has anything to do
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with what's going on with him tonight.
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But, you know, regardless of that, I like any hooker.
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He's my quarterback. So, That's all.
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I'll say on that one. If he's our quarterback, so not
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skating tonight knocks with some glitter on, they had a couple
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good throws have one that almost hit Blackshear up.
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The sidelines like just leave that a little more in bounds
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man. That was, that was a look like a
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little wheel route from the slot by Blackshear.
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Got behind the corner back there.
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Safety came over little late there, but the ball just wasn't
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quite where it needs to be venables.
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I'll it into the corner. Back on that one.
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I do. Know if you saw that he would
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Rob yet but he was he was living on.
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That would meet lost his shit on that.
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It's pretty funny. But with knocks, you know,
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three-star guy. You know who won back-to-back
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state titles? After Trevor Lawrence graduated
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in that division, was it? Nine x?
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Mark 8mm, got it wrong, shout out, shout out hambone.
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You got guys that are in a couple guys that have some of
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that. Yeah, that that insight there.
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So shout-out hambone love you buddy, haven't seen you in a
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while so we got to get together sometime soon.
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Yeah man. Let's talk about Blackshear.
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Oh do you want to talk about bikes here mr.
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Hundred-plus, Sakai Blackshear finally use them right.
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But you got excited. Finally.
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I was like, where was this eight weeks ago?
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Nine weeks ago? Like, you know, we've been
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saying all year, you know, this guy's an offensive weapon.
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This guy's an offensive weapon, stop using him as a spell back.
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This guy's an offensive weapon. He's not a between the tackles
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Runner, use him, use him, use them, not like that.
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Yuzu the right way. And we finally get a little
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taste of it tonight, man. We can really use some of that
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the previous nine games. Damn, right?
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We could have, and still, is we been at wide receiver?
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All year, you telling me A guy with that type of talent,
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couldn't have done a little something for us.
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You shake your head at that man has been discussed about what
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Jerry kill said about bread or Nielsen.
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He can't read film that. I think it's broken proves it.
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Take your fucking proves it. Look at you.
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When you looked at the Rutgers, take bribe, this is starting
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last February. We started this podcast, when he
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committed after he committed, and you got to look at it,
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you're like me this offense, he can do this and do that.
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Oh my God, this is great. This is a perfect weapon for
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this offense and it literally just took them nine weeks in a
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game single way. It's a kill nine games and your
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had to get him involved. Well, I'm here's what happened,
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but when they sent you the tape and kills like, well just use
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these seven plays you, he'll he'll probably get 100 yards.
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Which is juice hurt. If you didn't did you see it
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earlier this week? Like there were some number five
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back. Yeah.
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And I mean that that that that's probably a good I'd say
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somewhere between three and five would be where I put him.
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If he'd had a full season, been healthy all year.
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When I mean he'd be, he'd be 1200.
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I'd say, I'd say, 14, I'd say more, I'm saying, I'm not back.
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I'm saying at this point, not even counting what he's going to
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get against UVA. I think he's at least at 12:00,
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if he plays both of those games and he, because he had very
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limited stamps in one game and sat out completely the other.
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So it's true. The other thing about using you
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saw it tonight against an elite team with a very good front for
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an elite back in. His patient.
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He waits for the holes couple times, he made a couple issues
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getting back and he got back to the line.
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Luckily, his patient, but there are a couple thousand venables
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would send those Blitz. Has his pass protection.
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He knew what he needed to do. He got his body?
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There, he threw the shoulder, he's not to go offline.
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Forcing the ball downfield, especially on that plate of
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Taylor Robinson, where kavion they sort of blew their coverage
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and TV. Honoring the perfect right now.
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Behind the guy, the blitzes, Coming you saw juicer, stir that
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right shoulder like the guy completely offline, the fire
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down the field, huge Gainer. He's not coming back so go ahead
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and put that Chris and aerosol had a nickname like they did not
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put him back in. Thank God.
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Yep. Almost fiord aerosol.
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If their assault on play against UVA?
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I don't care. He shouldn't I guys, made his
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money. You didn't see his side too much
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tonight. You saw him wipe out some of the
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better defensive lineman on that Crimson Demon.
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They are good. Owning them.
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Only now he is a first-round pick what I will say.
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Ron. Yep, I wouldn't mind my team
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taking him. We got Trent we might mcglinchey
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is looking more like a like if he slipped down inside of me a
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lot better his past Pro is just not that good but he would make
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a nasty guard at 68. I take a look you know 20 I mean
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I wouldn't mind taking him either future left tackle for us
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as well because our guy, He's getting up there too.
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Yeah, you know, so I feel bad for those guys at that, they're
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going out this way. I'm hoping that we can circle
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the wagons a little bit and get the damn Commonwealth cut back
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because I just, I haven't seen this team play four quarters
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well enough where I'm even confident at that at this point.
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That's true, mom. I mean the only game we play
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four quarters. What was the first?
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The NC State game with guys not there.
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So you know, just let's do this. Why is it changing the Hajj been
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used all year? His Ralph been look complicated
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tonight but they were very effective.
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Yeah. I mean, I like what he did
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tonight, he catch after I think having what like, one or two
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Targets all year and no catches. Finally, finally got some
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targets, got some catches out of them, look good with the ball in
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his hands. Wish we would have gotten him
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more involved a lot earlier in the season, could have really
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helped with some of the depth issues.
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We had it wide receiver could have kept guys like Trey Turner
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more healthy. As we were going through the
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year but you know here we are. It was a the fifth and you know,
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we finally get get some catches for the young man, so good for
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him for making the most out of the opportunities.
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He was given today. Ferris had a couple of catches
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as well. There's had 11.
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Okay, they went three for 22 combined but you've always He's
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talked about what our offense. What with really helps.
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It are those five, six, seven, easy passes.
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The two balls, they call were easy.
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They weren't genuine wretches, but you've always, you have
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always mentioned, those type passes, the linebacker,
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everything starts spreading. When you start doing that the
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linebackers, go out, the safeties, go out and when you
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get guys like juice or the Braxtons quarterback, or
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hinton's quarterback when those when that starts spreading, it's
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a lot more room to go. But we also when you got to make
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linebackers and safeties and nickel Corners have To move
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towards the sidelines and not towards the middle of the field
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or upfield to get penetration in the Run game.
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It opens so much of the other stuff up.
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And you know, when safety start creeping, you can kill them over
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the top with double moves. You can hit them over the top of
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play-action. So there's just so much other
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stuff that can open up. If you can work those, the play
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action when you can work, the short passing game and I'm just
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Frustrating watching our inability to set some of the
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stuff up or we can really take those shots when they will help
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us. What's but it's even more
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cooperating that what we see on the offense.
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It's and we've said this a couple times, we said it
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numerous times this year. It's the same thing, it is the
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same thing. And I've said it to Brown enough
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set it on here numerous time, this type of offense, with who
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we can get recruiting wise right now.
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It's so effective, it's so effective.
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Dip in the thing is, if you had the right person, pulling the
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trigger on plays, even with trays, a 4-star henin's before
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star, Does nesters before star James, Mitchell's is a
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four-star, right? Ten years for four stars, the
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rest are three stars or two stars.
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We should be putting up 40 points a game even against a
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team like Clemson useless, move the ball at times today.
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That's what's frustrating. That's what's important to us,
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as fans. We can't have the execution
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flaws that we had tonight and you can't have the bad play
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calls that kill drives that are moving well.
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I mean, we had, I mean, it was just, it was a comedy of errors
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between the bad calls, the post, whistle Miss Hughes, and the
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times we put the ball on the turf tonight, like it was just a
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comedy of errors, and You know, I'm not saying that it would
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have made the game close enough where we would have had a shot
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at the end, but it would have at least cover the damn spread, so
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that would have that would have been something to talk about
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even if it was a loss. So, you know, you lost out on
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that by just ineptitude on offense and the, the plays are
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there, it's the preparation for the team that you're playing and
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then the calls themselves especially in in certain areas
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the field or certain times of the game both we've been saying
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this for now we and these were things we were seeing last year
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before we started this podcast. So what really gets you is After
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2018, let's go back, let's reverse back a couple years ago.
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If the moves are made correctly in the right, people are put in
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place. It comes in a couple weeks.
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I don't. So you're saying if we would
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have hired a proper offensive coordinator, two years ago, we'd
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be reloading, instead of treading water and put him in
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potentially drowning here. In terms of the, the head coach,
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we be making a Bose. Listen, if we can fucking Hanks
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and Beyond, we need to fucking hitting 70 on because they don't
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become a problem. Mmm.
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But he doesn't have to worry about what we have to worry
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about now, is where do we go? Got some news on that front.
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That just hit the pike, what hit?
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Well Napier is heading back to you.
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LL and sources are saying I / Bruce fellman that Shane Beamers
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going to be named the next head coach at South Carolina that
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hurts but yeah. But for Shane, because as I'm
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looking at the Oklahoma Baylor game, that game is 27-7.
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Oklahoma should have scored a lot more points in it.
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Did what this tells me is Shane bhima who did an interview this
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week. Because remember, in my red
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Stoops came in for a couple of days to help out Shane Boomer,
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doing a hell of a lot more than just special teams, coordinating
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and coaching the tight ends sounds like he might be running
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practices. Running Scout teams.
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And shit like that because they struggled struggled, I was
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keeping an eye on their game, as the, our game, kind of waned on,
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they struggled until the last couple drives here.
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Yeah. And I mean, you hate it.
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I know that chain Beamer is been a lightning rod within the fan
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base, even though I think a lot of folks have kind of warmed up
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to the idea of Shane, regardless of how they feel about some of
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the things that they were apprehensive about before,
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especially with everything. We've got going on with covid
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and with having to potentially get rid of a coach during Covid.
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I think there was a lot to be excited about if if Shane Beamer
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was the guy but now we move on, you know, we'll see if if sounds
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like Napier's holding out maybe for another position potentially
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in the SEC Auburn. So you know we move kind of
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unfortunately down the list. I think that was probably two of
28:07
our top three or four guys in the on the list.
28:11
So there's probably two more out there that are high candidates
28:15
and maybe one or two that are fallbacks.
28:17
If you feel like you absolutely have to get rid of Flint a at
28:20
this point, which I feel like that's, I think we're in
28:23
agreement. You have to get rid of Flint a
28:24
at this point. Well, again, Optics be damned.
28:28
We talked about this on Thursday night.
28:31
Listen Friday. Yeah.
28:34
Who should we go, handcuffed? To Something in Lane Stadium
28:38
right now. Yeah, let's keep the Tony Pony
28:41
around. Let's keep telling me how you,
28:43
let's just back up a Brinks truck.
28:46
That's your, hey mr. Elliot, let's have a little chat
28:50
real quick here. You run a damn fine offense
28:54
there, sir. All right, let's be realistic.
28:56
Go, let's go again. Tonight, we lose its best game
29:02
of the year. The offense does the same old
29:04
shit just different day. But now that we're seeing the
29:09
news breaking, you know, life to us, and y'all are going to see
29:11
this, but I'm Brian drops this out on Monday morning.
29:15
Change. You want to South Carolina?
29:17
Now for Shane, hold on a second. I need to send that message to
29:22
my cousin, who's a South Carolina alumni.
29:24
Yep, it's 11:30. It is that should be up here.
29:31
We see in this shit right now that girl, is that go make him
29:33
happy or not. You see a shame guy.
29:37
I don't know how he is. He graduated 88-89 there.
29:42
So clearly this is the best are those Ferrer was the best are
29:46
football. He's seen.
29:47
But I have a question though. If you say Shane goes there,
29:53
they fired muschamp. Right is Shane, this is what I
29:58
want to ask is Shane putting himself in.
30:01
Never getting another head coach position after this because
30:05
they've got Georgia. They've got Florida Tennessee's,
30:08
always sleep in Kentucky's decent, they'll beat Vandy every
30:11
year. They should be Missouri every
30:12
year. Yep.
30:17
It'll be interesting to see what happens there man.
30:21
You know, a lot of its going to depend on what what fan
30:24
expectations are for this team and how much, how much rope
30:28
they're going to give the next tab because I mean, obviously
30:32
muschamp didn't get the job done and that that's even with
30:37
probably slightly lower expectations than the what they
30:39
had during the Spurrier area. So it'll be interesting to see
30:44
what they do. I mean, I think for the most
30:47
part I think the that fan base to still be in the potential
30:54
conversation to play in the SEC Championship game, if it's
30:58
after, you know, November 15th, if they, if they still are not
31:03
mathematically eliminated from that most years, they'll be
31:06
happy to get to one. So they're going to be Gordon
31:13
Georgia every three years both. I'm in the same year, at least
31:18
one of them and let them eat themselves on the other side.
31:20
I'm even if you're if even if they skirted on a tiebreaker
31:23
man, but I don't know what you say that you're going to be one
31:28
of them but then when you the year they finally do with the
31:31
play Alabama and get squirrel. Stop.
31:36
Absolutely. They will die but I think that
31:37
fan base is Happy enough just just being invited.
31:42
Until they aren't until they are but that's going to depend on
31:47
how much they ratchet up expectations based on those
31:50
wins. So, if Shane's out Healy Napier,
31:55
I think they for years, waiting for Gus to get fire, that's my
31:59
gut of guts because I think Napier what he likes to do and
32:03
he sees what Gus has there. That's need him to fire because
32:06
I walk in and win nine out of ten games of first year and make
32:09
them happy. Wait, freeze.
32:12
I think's going to Tennessee Pruitt.
32:15
I think you've done although some people say well prove give
32:17
me another year. You know this this crap
32:19
happening. All right.
32:22
All right. Give me another year.
32:25
All the people that think you should keep one tear another
32:27
year. Keep another year.
32:30
Let me throw these two names. Let me throw this name at you.
32:33
If your wit right now you see Shane's gone or / bruised
32:38
Feldman You called fickle up and say it's yours and whatever you
32:45
want. I mean fickle, I think was going
32:49
to be one of the top two or three candidates regardless.
32:52
So I mean, you certainly do everything you can at this
32:56
point, knowing your other probably two to four, top
33:00
candidates are are no longer in play.
33:04
You go ahead and say, we'll do whatever we can do and and and
33:08
have that interview and have those discussions and see what
33:10
comes of that. You know, beyond that, I mean
33:16
we've named some other guys that we said, we'd be okay with if if
33:21
though if some of the top names weren't the guy, you know, we
33:26
had mention, guys like Grantham. We have mentioned guys, like
33:29
Chad well, we have mention Healy, we had mention Marcus
33:35
Freeman. So, I mean all those guys are
33:38
still potential candidates out there.
33:42
You are varying degrees of how you feel about them, obviously,
33:46
but, you know, just because those two were gone, doesn't
33:49
mean that we're, you know, we're out of the hunt here so that was
33:53
forward on that front. Anybody that out there.
33:56
It says well I don't want to be - or I don't want to be - heart
33:59
fuck that because right now you are about to lose more people.
34:05
I do not want to see Stadium next year at 50,000, I do not
34:09
want to see it where Brian me and you want to go.
34:13
Yeah, ten bucks. Let's go.
34:15
I don't want to see that. And I said that third yet, so
34:17
that a couple times I don't want to see that.
34:19
I want to you to be the hardest tickets in the state of Virginia
34:23
to find. Yeah and if you keep in there
34:27
it's going to happen and I don't care in what way she makes all
34:30
these changes. What if he makes two changes
34:34
yeah I'm going to tell you something.
34:35
I mean covid aside. The rosters not going to get any
34:40
better in the near future than it was this year.
34:43
Nope. So if this is what we're getting
34:46
with this roster, we need to do some different.
34:51
We have two, you talking about this processor and if people
34:54
say, well, they didn't have the office tonight.
34:56
Nobody had an off season. Nobody had spring.
35:00
Yeah. So what the same nobody had this
35:03
stuff. So either you're saying you're
35:06
making excuses for the coaches. Not doing well right now, but
35:10
everybody else obviously was doing well enough at some point
35:12
where they're not having these same problems.
35:13
So it's still circling back to the coach in some way, shape, or
35:18
form here. It's true man.
35:20
And then, if you just go ahead and just look around the ACC
35:23
right now. I mean, take a look at the ACC
35:28
Braun and just the ACC So, you know, we can we can just look
35:35
around. Miami with a brand new offensive
35:39
coordinator 7 and 1. NC State would what seemed like
35:43
a lame duck coach with new defensive.
35:45
Coaches is 73. Boston College with a brand new
35:50
coaching staff. Mr. Kovitch last American today.
35:55
Five and five, UVA is 4 and 4/5. And for now wake is essentially.
36:07
Sorry somehow this gave me something weird.
36:10
Wake is four and three pits five and five.
36:14
We're down here on the bottom half with Georgia Tech rule evil
36:21
Florida State. You can Syracuse.
36:24
That won't cut it. I mean, I would have, I was
36:29
going to be disappointed if we didn't at least least win seven
36:31
games this year. So obviously Count Me In the
36:35
very disappointed, very, very disappointed.
36:39
I was thinking we had the potential to win eight or nine
36:42
games on the schedule. So, You know, at some point,
36:47
coaches have to be accountable here, not preparing the team
36:50
properly to win. Obviously players are
36:53
accountable but we know they're accountable there on the field.
36:56
We see, we see their mistakes. We see that we see the coaching
37:00
mistakes to though. In some point you can't just,
37:04
you can't get rid of the players.
37:05
So what are you going to do? Get rid of the damn coaches?
37:07
Yeah. something something's going on,
37:51
something's going on and I can't I can't imagine the that level
37:57
of not having that level of awareness to see that he wasn't
38:02
ready to be the player. He needed to be like you're
38:04
putting him out there where he could potentially get hurt and
38:08
that, that's not good. No, it's not that at all.
38:14
What else here, Alabama, just snatched up living shit out of
38:18
LSU tonight. 55:17. They can you imagine like, kocho
38:27
would be gone if he hadn't won a national championship last year?
39:14
You know, I'm dealing with it, but catch me, catch me back. 10
39:18
days from now, if he isn't fired, I'll be mad again.
39:23
Because clear with you, here's the thing.
39:31
With putting his neck on the line, if he keeps them.
39:34
I think also, if we was going to keep him, I think would have
39:37
made, it would have said, something by now, because you
39:40
try to get out in front of it, right?
39:43
I think he would have definitely wanted to at least good or bad.
39:48
I think he would want to set the expectations of the fanbase if
39:53
that's what was coming. Does that make sense?
40:07
Let's do it. He's gone.
40:13
We see though, I mean, let's just run through.
40:15
I see, tickle has a good high. I see Freeman as a good hire,
40:18
see Napier's, a good hire. He'll know, if they pure means,
40:23
just at this point because there haven't been an official
40:26
channels yet that he's staying with the Raging Cajuns for now
40:32
or if he means that he was only interested in the South Carolina
40:36
job this season and if you didn't get that, he was going
40:40
back. Wow.
40:42
So obviously Motel on that one because obviously, South
40:45
Carolina can openly interview for the for the job right now.
40:49
Whereas we are not in that capacity.
40:52
So for me, it from any official front that that's going to be,
40:56
you know, what the word is. So hopefully he's still a
41:00
potential higher on the list, but we shall see. yeah, I think
41:06
maybe you're still a potential again, I think Napier, you know,
41:13
Again, I think it's a win for Oliver if they fired us.
41:17
All right, I'll take Gus. Would you?
41:23
I don't think you'd come but I've got mixed emotions on Gus.
41:30
I like Gus but man Do you have?
41:53
And if he were to come and say baby Virginia Tech, I mean
42:02
Virginia Tech's. The better job.
42:03
Vandy plays in the in the SEC then your step biggest steps.
42:10
Don't job you go in there and you wouldn't seven or eight
42:12
games. You're like Franklin did.
42:15
I think Franco hit mom one year. Yeah, but every other coach goes
42:18
to die there literally. You either go to die rich.
42:24
You're stepping stone to the to the Blue Blood jobby.
42:26
There's no in between I'm always to a point.
42:30
I've said this to a couple guys. I might even set it to you
42:33
vanity. Just needs to go to hire one of
42:35
the service Academy coaches them on a triple option.
42:37
That's the only chance they have to be five to seven wins.
42:40
Every year is to run a monkey ass often.
42:45
That literally is you're getting enough good athletes in enough
42:49
smart players to where you probably could win five to seven
42:54
every year, occasionally, break eight, because playing a team.
42:58
Like, we're going to wiggle the play South Carolina, dude, they
43:00
got four days to prepare for this shit.
43:04
It's true, man. The only thing I will say, is
43:06
that for a team like that, that pretty much even best-case
43:10
scenario knows they're not winning their their division of
43:14
the conference. They like the Evan flow.
43:17
They like the uncertainty. They like the, I don't think
43:21
they like losing, but I think they like the chance of having
43:25
something nice happen. Like a James Franklin, come to
43:28
them. And they upset a team or two,
43:30
once once or twice. Whereas, I think if you do
43:33
something like the triple option, you'll probably beat the
43:36
teams that aren't good enough to overcome that, but you're still
43:39
probably going to lose to every good team on your schedule.
43:42
They would be they have a chance to be Kentucky every Year that
43:45
have a chance to be South Carolina, every year, very every
43:48
year, and depending on who it is, they would have a chance to
43:54
catch Florida, or Georgia every five years, they would probably
43:59
have a chance to catch Tennessee, every third year.
44:03
I'm missing one team in the East there they are.
44:05
The other team in the East and who they're playing in the west
44:09
are. If you're not playing Alabama,
44:11
you plan on the Mississippi schools, you catch them.
44:14
If you play in Arkansas, you can catch in.
44:19
I'm telling this Orna, like, but for them, it's more.
44:22
It depends on if they want to be just a good mid-tier team or if
44:26
they want to. I feel like I said, I think they
44:30
more they if they're going to take, do something like that.
44:35
They want to shoot for the moon where they can actually do
44:37
something big, so they're going for more Splash and then hope it
44:41
works out versus something like steady Eddie.
44:46
Play play, good defense, control the ball with the triple option,
44:50
make people not be able to properly play defense against
44:56
you, because they're having to worry about getting cut and have
44:58
to worry about who's got the damn ball.
45:04
It's true man. And you know I'm trying to find
45:09
it here. Hold on, let me just find it
45:12
quote that I like What is it? Darth Vader, I will not fight
45:21
for you and you will meet your destiny with a destiny quote.
45:24
This is your destiny. Vanderbilt you won't.
45:35
But what you could do is be that thorny teen like fucking Georgia
45:40
Tech was Georgia Tech out of lucky there in the ACC.
45:45
But you imagine every like fifth year or every tenth year with a
45:49
triple option offense, Georgia has a bad game offense.
45:52
Italy. And they would you like twenty
45:54
eight, twenty fourth. It's true.
45:58
Vanderbilt has to look at what they've really built more
46:00
Servants of our South Carolina. You know, I think whatever what
46:09
does. And I know something, whoever we
46:11
hire people are going to be pissed.
46:13
They are they're going to be for fun people, wanting to change
46:17
regardless they want to change. I think a lot of Reason folks
46:20
working on the same train one, I think people knew of a
46:29
recognizable figure who has a good personality, the money is
46:33
going to come in. If nothing else. for one day has
46:41
reflected that we're behind in recruiting We'll have any
46:46
analytics of the overall of the personal development staff
46:50
itself. I'm in the paper coaches 15
46:53
years ago. We were not 15 years ago.
46:55
We had fourth highest paid tokens that we were if we
46:59
weren't what par with the blue blood or just underneath them
47:02
and Facilities, we were that way and I'll pick up like that.
47:05
Just on them. We will definitely we have to
47:08
try to get back there. And I think right now you want
47:11
to see an influx of donations in the next 18 months.
47:14
Months, 24 months, you hire somebody, you hire somebody with
47:18
a charismatic personality you hire a CEO.
47:23
We try the x's in there and it stayed status quo and again no
47:29
harm to who their Conformity is a person.
47:32
I think they screwed up by not hiring a good enough, PR
47:35
director by saying have to coat, no one to become make it work.
47:45
The conversation would be good to you in the writers behind
47:49
closed doors. That's the one you want to take
47:51
to the donors. Yeah, you have to have that
47:56
what, when he gets to his comfort zone and talking about
47:58
his family and talking about football, and talking about his
48:01
guys, He relaxes when he gets when he has to talk about the
48:05
business of football. You know I'd talk about tight
48:09
asshole. He gets a tight asshole.
48:10
I mean it just seems like he doesn't that doesn't translate
48:14
for him. He just wants to coach football
48:16
and that's fine for a coordinator.
48:18
That's fine for position coach. That's not fun for a head coach
48:22
and I've been that's not necessarily knocking him as a
48:25
person. That's just saying that's a
48:26
limitation, he has and that's a limitation that's going to hold
48:29
us back. If he remains our head coach,
48:33
His truth. And, you know, and that's a
48:38
limitation, the other limitation we mentioned before he, he won't
48:42
let go of her guys. And I think what's going to take
48:45
him, if he's going to have to take the full step down to
48:49
understand this, there's a business.
48:52
Don't hire friends, hire people that can coach hire people that
48:55
you want, go of, you know, it is what it is.
49:02
So man we've been talking I think about 45 minutes now.
49:05
We're so I mean we're watching some football that crowbar after
49:12
dark. I'm sipping on a breaking Bach
49:14
which for those who have already near them, go get this beer.
49:19
It is probably one of the best box I've had and it's a hell of
49:21
a lot cheaper than a lot of your other brands.
49:26
Yeah, I had to turn you on to that.
49:28
I was like, I was walking through all the others like,
49:30
okay, this is kind of a knockoff brand, but it's priced, right,
49:36
I'll take a look at it, don't, but what do we talk about the
49:39
other night with it? Don't let the oh this is all
49:42
Hebron. No, this is brewed out of
49:44
Wisconsin. If anything they know how to do
49:47
in Wisconsin, they know how to make cheese and how to brew
49:49
beer. You see if you see a Wisconsin
49:52
Brewing Company on any beer, At it's probably a good beer,
49:57
simple times from Trader, Joe's. I think it's 399 of six-packs
50:02
749 for a case before 12-pack, well, worth the price.
50:07
I'm with you, buddy. I mean, there's there's a lot
50:09
out there. So try them out and see what you
50:12
like, guys, I'm not trying to push push the beer thing and
50:15
just saying he's drinking it. I've drink it.
50:20
Go drink it. I will also I'm going to I'm
50:23
going to self-promote here. I'm a hams guy when it comes to
50:27
just like easy sipping something domestic.
50:33
That's my go-to. That's my go-to.
50:37
Curtis said Janessa yeah they're cheap.
50:41
Yeah heat but jeunesse easy simple times hands are cheap.
50:46
But well pasted beers It doesn't taste like sometimes when you
50:51
get the cheap shit, the real cheap shit.
50:55
It's like okay well I'm drinking, beer flavored water.
50:58
Now this actually has some taste to, it's got somebody to it but
51:03
you know, it doesn't doesn't fill you up like some of the,
51:05
the heavier craft beers do and it's cheap.
51:08
So let me ask this right now. Let's get back to football real
51:12
quick and we got into our beer discussion because you know,
51:15
clearly we've been having a few today tonight.
51:20
We are looking two weeks from tonight.
51:22
We're watching the ACC Championship.
51:23
We might come on for an episode. We might not.
51:27
Justin Fuente has been fired. If Shane is gone, if what
51:32
Feldman is reporting is going to happen.
51:36
Who do you want to see? Stepping up to the podium the
51:40
week, after Christmas? Because I'll put it at that the
51:44
week after Christmas. 28th. 29th.
51:47
Who do you want to be stuck to the podium?
51:54
At this point, knowing the stuff that is potentially went down
51:57
tonight. I prefer fickle I'm going to go
52:01
Marcus Freeman. It's not sexy but I think I
52:04
think it's a good hire. I prefer I in a perfect world
52:09
would be Tony yelling. Yeah, but I just I don't know
52:11
what that's going to look like. Yeah, if you told me, perfect
52:15
world, it would be Tony right now, too.
52:20
I'm kind of with you. I think you get free me a
52:23
chance. I think he gave a 34-year old as
52:25
chance. I think you give a guy who
52:28
played an elite University, who's turned out some good
52:31
positions, who played in the NFL, who from what it seems and
52:36
what you read, he has a damn charismatic personality because
52:40
fickle doesn't There's one thing about people you kind of look at
52:44
him on the sidelines. He gets a little hot-headed but
52:47
fickle I think he could do it. I think Freeman has the
52:54
personality. And I mean doesn't have much to
53:00
pull a coaching staff from, but sometimes maybe that's what you
53:03
need. Maybe need somebody who hasn't
53:06
stopped at me. Play that will go out and find
53:08
me. Best professionals with the you
53:11
know who job with him versus hiring, his buddies?
53:16
yeah Mommy I wish I could see that working out for us, you
53:21
know, it's A guy that at this point hasn't made enough long
53:28
contacts with people where he had, they're willing to
53:32
sacrifice their own job, to make sure somebody else keeps one.
53:37
Because, I mean that, I feel like in a lot of ways, that's
53:39
what Justin Fuente is, done with a Virginia Tech here with, with
53:43
core Nelson, with some of the other guys.
53:44
So, you know, I'm not saying that if we had gotten a proper
53:48
offensive coordinator, everything would be sunshine and
53:52
rainbows, but I don't think we'd be losing to the Liberties of
53:57
the world. I don't think we get blown out
53:59
by pit. I don't think we let the second
54:02
half of tonight happen, the way it happened.
54:05
So That that's just where I am. I think that this University and
54:11
this team could benefit from the Boost the honeymoon period that
54:15
comes with having a new head coach, both, from a donation
54:18
standpoint fan engagement standpoint, some of that would
54:23
help Bowie recruiting to a point.
54:26
So, you know, that that's something that might be good for
54:29
us. Kind of just get some new blood
54:31
in here and get some excitement back around this team.
54:35
Even if it's, you know, on a wing and a prayer at this point
54:39
and based on you know promises and not necessarily on something
54:46
that we know is concrete so we'll see what happens in the
54:50
next you know, 10 days or so hopefully by December 15th will
55:00
have some words and shortly after that will.
55:03
Maybe have a have a special episode for you guys to talk
55:06
about that. So we'll see how it goes.
55:10
Things are in the work for that. Braun and me and you were
55:13
working behind the scene. Yeah, we will tease that a
55:16
little bit more later. This is this is the the first
55:19
Little Bread crumb for you folks.
55:21
Yeah, might have a special guest.
55:23
Hey Brian, let's look through our games today.
55:27
Let's start last night. You got it, right?
55:31
I got it wrong. Although everybody roasted Billy
55:37
Napier for taking the safety. Can I say?
55:40
I think he was right, when you have a son that you can't snap a
55:44
damn punt. Take the safety because if he's
55:46
poor You know what? It was it was a ballsy call.
55:58
It was big, big time. Big nut move because If that
56:03
team goes down there and scores and you have to take that game
56:06
into overtime, you're going to kick your own ass for the next
56:10
hundred days. What we win?
56:14
Yeah, well yeah okay missed there were going to.
56:20
They would they would have went to the OT but looking at it here
56:25
app, state had scored one touchdown makes for two
56:30
touchdowns all game. At that point in time, they had
56:36
only 290 yards of offense. IE made the right call.
56:42
Okay. Again, I I didn't dislike the
56:46
call given the situation especially since it had already
56:50
happened to him once in the game and a couple other staffs have
56:53
been not good, my grave on you. So you won that one.
57:12
I did, I'll take it the cuse and Irish that look like.
57:15
That was going to be enough said early ends up the cues star
57:21
sucking again, which is not a shot Irish.
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Almost cover it, but they don't, I take those.
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I was that close if they hadn't played that way the whole game.
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Damn it. Oh well well BC sneakily hides
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that they're starting running back and starting quarterback
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will not play until game time so we got jacked on that one,
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although UVA. But their backup torch them to
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appoint, you know, obviously be seized defense is a work in
57:55
progress, with half legally, we scored 40 on on them.
57:58
We didn't look great that night. Brian the Georgia Tech thing
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happens, right? But get Wednesday are hey Miami
58:10
happens, right? We both get wins there.
58:14
Indiana has shown that. They probably got their coaching
58:19
next 10 years today. It's true.
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I mean it's almost a Frank Beamer store guy who he goes and
58:29
coaches, 20-plus years. Elsewhere, Frank.
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It was close to 15. He comes back home, they did
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good last year, they're doing great this year.
58:37
They pull the upset in Madison. Maybe I should have looked at
58:43
Michael penix, tore, his ACL, I would have went Indiana like a
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dumbass Baylor covers the 22 and Coastal covers the tenant wins
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out, right? I'm almost shocked that after
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Jamie Chadwell pulls that when that they announced that they're
59:03
going to hire shame. You thought they'd wait a little
59:07
bit and see what. Well, he just get Jed will live.
59:11
Whoa, whoa. I mean shit, it's almost one of
59:15
those things. Now, we're with chatter.
59:16
Well, it's like hell, even if you told me at his age, well,
59:20
they're going to hire crowd. Well, cool.
59:22
I'd be great with that. You know, no Tennessee played in
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Tennessee, you know, basically been now in South Carolina, last
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16 years coaching, I mean, shit. Who are those guys if he don't
59:39
get hired this year and he has another good season next year.
59:42
He's going to get fired, say would make you but Napier I
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thinking yeah, I'll say if he's waiting us out.
59:52
Maybe there's about to go 11, and 1, or 10 or 11.
59:57
Yeah, we're going to I think you'll get hired.
1:00:03
All right, Brian what else is out there that we might be
1:00:05
missing scrolling home? I'm not seeing anything major a
1:00:14
lot of debate over since the Shane news dropped, who the next
1:00:19
candidate should be. So that's going to be, I'm sure
1:00:22
a fun fun. Next, 10 days is we kind of
1:00:26
start speculating on that and see what happens with with, with
1:00:31
Coach Fuente here, with potentially getting giving the
1:00:34
can Brown, do you care about integrity?
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Integrity. Okay.
1:00:41
Yeah. What if I told you we could win
1:00:44
10 to 12 games every year, would you care about integrity?
1:00:48
You talking with Dad Integrity? I'm a little more flexible on
1:00:52
that level of Integrity. I thought you were talking about
1:00:55
personal accountability. Might drop a bag or two, you
1:01:09
know? if I thought we weren't going to
1:01:12
get like a multi-year bulb and I'd let it ride.
1:01:18
Let the dice roll there and I don't hate to hire me.
1:01:21
The guy that's going to get players in here and he's a guy
1:01:25
that's going to be able to coach him up on offense.
1:01:27
So he catches a assault, man on offense and he usually puts guys
1:01:33
good enough on the defensive side to at least get pressure on
1:01:39
the quarterback. So If we can do those two things
1:01:43
that's going to result in a pretty good amount of wins and
1:01:47
well he's always been chummy. So he'll go talk to the donors.
1:01:52
You'll talk to anyone man. He'll coach from a hospital bed.
1:01:56
You know, there's no nail to break and let's wrap it up this
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