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  Speaker 1: This is The Bad Hire, the show with the best
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  Speaker 1: stories about the worst employees.
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  Speaker 2: We fired him, of course.
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  Speaker 1: People are crazy. It's like an HR nightmare. Right? One
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  Speaker 1: bad hire stole all of it.
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  Speaker 2: Crazy stuff.
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  Speaker 3: She got what she deserved.
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  Speaker 2: Oh.
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  Speaker 1: I'm your host, Ken Monroe, and every week we dive
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  Speaker 1: into real-life stories... From the wild world of work and
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  Speaker 1: what can happen when the wrong person gets the job.
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  Speaker 1: These stories aren't just crazy, they're cautionary tales about lessons
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  Speaker 1: learned the hard way. Let's get started. Hey everyone, welcome
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  Speaker 1: back to The Bad Hire.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome.
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  Speaker 4: Hi.
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  Speaker 1: This is the show where the best stories happen about
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  Speaker 1: the worst employees or maybe the employees having the worst
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  Speaker 1: day ever. I'm back with Nathan and Emma. How are
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  Speaker 1: you guys doing?
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  Speaker 4: Welcome.
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  Speaker 5: I'm good.
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  Speaker 2: I was just saying.
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  Speaker 4: I'm fine.
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  Speaker 2: You good?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I'm fine. It's been a long day, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we have recorded a lot of content.
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  Speaker 1: She's repping state today.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Go pack.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, there you go. Your brother's there, right? Yep.
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  Speaker 4: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: Cool. Right now. My daughter was there.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah?
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  Speaker 1: No, my sister. She would have freaked out if she heard.
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  Speaker 2: Me say that.
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  Speaker 5: It's a whole family thing.
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  Speaker 2: Dad went there.
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  Speaker 1: Uncle went there.
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  Speaker 4: I went there.
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  Speaker 2: My brother's there.
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  Speaker 1: Really?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Did you have a choice, honestly?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Did you want to go anyplace else?
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  Speaker 4: Well, yes, but at the time, not for what I
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  Speaker 4: wanted to do at the time.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. Because I wanted to be a vet.
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  Speaker 2: I wanted to be a vet a long time, too.
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  Speaker 2: That was my big thing.
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  Speaker 1: So you went to state initially to be a vet?
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: She's so afraid to say that in front of me.
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  Speaker 1: She's afraid of the rabbit hole, it'll go down.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's how I was with Virginia Tech.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, just a little bit. Don't talk about animals.
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  Speaker 2: We don't talk about animals out here. No animals talk. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I went to Virginia Tech... I grew up watching Animal Planet,
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  Speaker 2: and I was like, how hard can that be? And
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  Speaker 2: then I went to study it, and I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: that's pretty hard.
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  Speaker 1: I would tell you. They got to do communications instead.
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  Speaker 2: I'll just play Frisbee and do a bunch of marketing classes.
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  Speaker 4: I would tell you why I wanted to be a vet,
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  Speaker 4: but I'm not going to get into all that because
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  Speaker 4: then Ken will start making fun of me.
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  Speaker 1: I don't make fun of you.
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  Speaker 5: And then I just don't want to get into it.
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  Speaker 1: That's totally not what I do.
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  Speaker 5: But I wanted to be a vet up until my
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  Speaker 5: junior year of high school.
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  Speaker 1: You know I love your background.
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  Speaker 5: I worked in an animal hospital.
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  Speaker 2: And um you've come a long way that.
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  Speaker 4: Was really eye-opening and that made me realize that i
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  Speaker 4: just didn't i didn't want to.
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  Speaker 1: Do that yeah that's good that's good i like it
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  Speaker 1: you know you should when you're young you should get
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  Speaker 1: in there when you know you have a dream you
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  Speaker 1: should get.
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  Speaker 4: There experience it i think that was like right before
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  Speaker 4: i started touring colleges too so even even then i
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  Speaker 4: at the time when i toured state i didn't like
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  Speaker 4: it as much as the other campuses that i toured
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  Speaker 4: but I.
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  Speaker 5: Ended up really, really liking it. Yeah, the state's beautiful.
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  Speaker 4: I think it was because it was so big that
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  Speaker 4: I was kind of overwhelmed because I'm not used to
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  Speaker 4: that kind of area.
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  Speaker 5: And everything like that.
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  Speaker 2: We're talking about NC State, by the way.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, NC State.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. That's cool.
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  Speaker 1: See, everybody that was listening to every state, they were
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  Speaker 1: talking about state. Everybody's got a state.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Florida State.
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  Speaker 2: Because I went to Virginia Tech, and in Virginia, everybody
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  Speaker 2: knows that. But then I moved to California, and nobody's even, like,
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  Speaker 2: heard of Virginia Tech.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 2: So when you.
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  Speaker 1: Say state out there, it means something different to every state. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I graduated, oh, my goodness, almost two years ago.
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  Speaker 2: Growing up. It's crazy. Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I'm old and whatever.
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  Speaker 1: It's their first job, right? Yep.
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  Speaker 4: It is.
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  Speaker 1: And she's crushing it.
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  Speaker 2: It is. It's been fun.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Handles our social media.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. handles some of the things. She's doing a lot
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  Speaker 2: of the podcast work. Doing a good job. A bunch
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  Speaker 2: of design stuff.
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  Speaker 1: That was a good hire. Oh, yeah. I think we
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  Speaker 1: should every once in a while throw in a good
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  Speaker 1: hire show. This is a bad hire, but every once
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  Speaker 1: in a while, just to cross out, we'll write in good,
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  Speaker 1: we'll tell.
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  Speaker 2: A good hire story.
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  Speaker 5: This is a bad hire, but sometimes you get people
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  Speaker 5: like Emma.
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  Speaker 1: She's a bad hire gone good. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: She really turned her life around back from her NC
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  Speaker 2: State days. Emma's the redemption story. We'll tell you about
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  Speaker 2: her story.
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  Speaker 1: She came here.
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  Speaker 5: I wasn't even in marketing when I came here either.
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  Speaker 1: No, you weren't.
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 1: She was brought in in the tech department.
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  Speaker 2: But you're not the only one. I feel like a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people at BTEX have moved around. I always forget.
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  Speaker 5: That because even in college I changed my major like
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  Speaker 5: five times.
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  Speaker 1: No, me too.
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  Speaker 4: The fact that I'm not even in my major right
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  Speaker 4: now doesn't surprise me.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's a common marketing thing. Well, do you
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  Speaker 2: like what you're doing?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I like marketing, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Do you love it or you just like it?
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  Speaker 5: I just like it.
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  Speaker 1: It's a lot of work.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, my God. She just said, I just like it.
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  Speaker 2: She's talking to the owner.
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  Speaker 1: Here's the owner of the company. Do you love your job?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just like it.
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  Speaker 5: Would you rather me lie?
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  Speaker 2: No, I don't ever want you to lie. That would
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  Speaker 2: be bad.
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 2: Bad hire behavior. And no, you're a good hire.
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  Speaker 4: It's just not what I expected. It's like every day
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  Speaker 4: is like a learning experience, which is good, but.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you're crafty and thoughtful and a great writer and
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  Speaker 1: also gifted in design just kind of by accident. Not
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  Speaker 1: by accident, but.
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  Speaker 4: Well, yeah, because I grew up doing design stuff, and
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  Speaker 4: I did want to do that for a little bit, too.
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  Speaker 5: It just didn't go that way.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'm hopeful that you will find your path here
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  Speaker 1: in a way that makes you very happy.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm doing it in different ways.
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  Speaker 2: Doing great. Yeah, so if you found our podcast through
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  Speaker 2: social media, it's because Emma's putting it out there and
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  Speaker 2: we're getting seen on TikTok and YouTube and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 4: If you see somebody being snappy or funny in the replies,
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  Speaker 4: it's me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. If you're saying something in the comments
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  Speaker 2: and we snap back at you, that's all Emma.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, it is me.
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  Speaker 2: Who do you think you're talking to?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, my gosh.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 1: Well, don't forget we were running that $ 10, 000 contest. We
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  Speaker 1: always should mention that before we get started.
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  Speaker 2: We have a couple of submissions today that we're reading.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. Super cool. We're going to see a couple. So
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  Speaker 1: we got some submissions we're going to read. And I
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  Speaker 1: think we've got a, one of the video segments. So
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  Speaker 1: if you want to get on the show, you want
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  Speaker 1: your story told, you have some story that you'd like
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  Speaker 1: to tell. There's a couple ways to do it. You
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  Speaker 1: can submit it online and go to the bad hire.com
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  Speaker 1: and do it. You can producers an email over to
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  Speaker 1: producers at the bad hire.com. But, What you'll find is
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  Speaker 1: probably you'll get right into a process where one of
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  Speaker 1: our booking guy will give you a call. He'll reach
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  Speaker 1: out to you, try to get a few minutes where
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  Speaker 1: they talk to you on the phone, and then book
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  Speaker 1: a slot for you to have an individual private segment
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  Speaker 1: where one of the producers of the show, Nathan, Emma, Morgan,
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  Speaker 1: will then potentially interview you and do the segment live,
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  Speaker 1: recorded rather, And then we'll roll in the clips during
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  Speaker 1: the show and watch. And so we've been building those
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  Speaker 1: up and kind of putting those in the bank. And
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  Speaker 1: we're starting, you know, I think this show we're going
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  Speaker 1: to do one for the first time. So I'm excited
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  Speaker 1: about that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've recorded a handful of them so far. And
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  Speaker 2: I know they might be distributed around the team.
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  Speaker 1: You've met some interesting people, bro.
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  Speaker 2: It's been really fun. I mean, just like first, just
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  Speaker 2: the salt of the earth kind.
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  Speaker 1: Of recruiters that are just getting the job done every day.
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  Speaker 1: And then you had that. The one dude who's like
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  Speaker 1: a former band manager. Oh yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Super cool. Yeah. Yeah. I think, I think we're going
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  Speaker 2: to be putting out, if we haven't already, by the
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  Speaker 2: time this one comes out, like the full, our full
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  Speaker 2: conversation with him.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
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  Speaker 2: Super interesting. Super nice. Has lots of stories, but also
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  Speaker 2: has lots of cool experience. So it's been fun because
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  Speaker 2: I think our general premise of the show has rang
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  Speaker 2: true with people. We're like, Hey, we just noticed if
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  Speaker 2: you're in recruiting, you got a story. And everybody I
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  Speaker 2: tell that to, they're all like, oh, yeah, I've got it.
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  Speaker 2: Most of the time. So it's been fun.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'm hoping, you know, I hope there gets to be,
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  Speaker 1: I think it's a bit therapeutic for people, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, to be able to just, because the overwhelming
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  Speaker 1: majority of like hoop recruiters, HR folks, owners, whatever, hire,
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  Speaker 1: probably the overall majority is good hires, right? And you just,
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  Speaker 1: these bad hires happen and, you know, you can, Make
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  Speaker 1: light of them a little bit because all the things
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  Speaker 1: we do, all the processes you put in place are
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  Speaker 1: all to try to avoid those things, right? And then so,
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  Speaker 1: you know, God bless the HR folks, recruiters who, you know,
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  Speaker 1: their DNA is all over this. But they all got
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  Speaker 1: a story. So I hope they'll tell them. And we'll
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  Speaker 1: pick the best one this year and give them $ 10, 000
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  Speaker 1: because we think they're that.
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  Speaker 2: That would be a fun day.
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  Speaker 1: They're that good.
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  Speaker 2: We should write them one of those huge checks.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that'd be fun. It might cost $ 8, 000 to print that,
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  Speaker 2: but it'll be worth it.
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  Speaker 1: Depending on where they're from, we'll either fly them here
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  Speaker 1: or we'll go there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that'd be fun. Hopefully they're in Hawaii.
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  Speaker 1: All right, I'll kick us off today, okay? So this
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  Speaker 1: story is, was this submitted?
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  Speaker 2: Let me see yours. I don't think yours was.
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  Speaker 1: This is one that we found. All right, so the
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  Speaker 1: cranky candidate. There's one thing that truly is scary, and
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  Speaker 1: that's an unhedged candidate bent on revenge. Once upon a time,
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  Speaker 1: I forgot to send a candidate a calendar invite for
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  Speaker 1: an interview. It was a simple mistake. I totally get that.
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  Speaker 1: One that anyone could have made. Before I had the
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  Speaker 1: chance to reach out and apologize, she took it upon
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  Speaker 1: herself to call me and berate me for my error.
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  Speaker 2: That was quick. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. I'm trying to get a job with you. Let
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  Speaker 1: me berate you. Not only did she think it was
• 9:45
  Speaker 1: clearly an intentional mistake on my part. Okay. So she
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  Speaker 1: thought she was being slighted. But she felt the need
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  Speaker 1: to threaten to reach out to my supervisor and the
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  Speaker 1: CEO to get me fired. Wow. The angry candidate then
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  Speaker 1: did a research. She found the email. to all the
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  Speaker 1: company's upper management, including the CEO, founder, some practice managers.
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  Speaker 1: She sent a scathing review demanding I be fired immediately.
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  Speaker 4: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Not only that. She stalked him? She chose to use
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  Speaker 1: some non-PC names and terms to describe me.
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  Speaker 3: What?
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  Speaker 1: Totally toxic. Fortunately, my company's management forgave me for the invite,
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  Speaker 1: I guess.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: You had to pat her on the back for putting
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  Speaker 1: up with this and decided it was the candidate that
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  Speaker 1: was crazy scary. That's good. So we took her out
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  Speaker 1: of our database.
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  Speaker 4: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: So you're saying she stalked him and got all this
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  Speaker 4: dirt on him and then sent.
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  Speaker 1: It to him? She just went down and found all
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  Speaker 1: the emails to all the people.
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  Speaker 5: How does she do that?
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  Speaker 2: LinkedIn? I don't know. Let's actually go through her plan.
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  Speaker 2: Let's say she does it successfully and gets that person out.
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  Speaker 2: She gets the job and she's like, all right, we
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  Speaker 2: got that interviewer out. But you just like literally, you know,
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  Speaker 2: in a super toxic way, called her out. And now
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  Speaker 2: you want to start your job off that way? Like,
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  Speaker 2: not really a great plan either way. You know what
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  Speaker 2: I mean?
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  Speaker 5: Like, oh, remember how you got here?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, when I blackmailed you.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, how did you get here?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, I just threatened the person who forgot my
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  Speaker 2: calendar invite.
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  Speaker 1: If you think about recruiting, you know, you cast a
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  Speaker 1: wide net, draw a lot of people in, review the resumes,
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  Speaker 1: call it down, have interviews, call it down, get down
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  Speaker 1: to a single person, right?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That's the way a lot of it's done, right? Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: you know, if you, if you, and regardless of the process,
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  Speaker 1: you get down to them, there was more than one.
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  Speaker 1: So the recruiter's life is hurting people's feelings more often
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  Speaker 1: than making people happy. I mean, sorry, you know, let's
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  Speaker 1: say they get down to three, four, you know, that's
• 11:52
  Speaker 1: three or four people that are going to be upset
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  Speaker 1: when the one wins the role. And so they live,
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  Speaker 1: they live the life of delivering disappointment on top of like,
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  Speaker 1: You know, the one person's super happy. They're, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and they're like, yeah, it's so awesome. And then they
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  Speaker 1: got to like, oh, I got to go tell five people.
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  Speaker 2: That's true. Like, I guess I didn't think about that,
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  Speaker 2: that for every job and somebody who's trying to fill
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  Speaker 2: that job, it's 90% bad news to all the people
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  Speaker 2: that are involved. And then it's that one little small
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  Speaker 2: percentage of the good news to one person gets the job.
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  Speaker 1: That's tough. Everybody goes home crying at but one.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Which I'm sure that's a really fulfilling moment when they
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  Speaker 2: get to deliver that good news when it works out.
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  Speaker 2: But that's a lot of letdown along the way, I guess.
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  Speaker 2: That's hard.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, let me do my story first that was through
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  Speaker 2: one of these calls, these virtual calls with one of
• 13:24
  Speaker 2: the virtual guests. So this is Sheila, and she just retired,
• 13:30
  Speaker 2: but she actually used to work.
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  Speaker 1: For Zoom.
• 13:32
  Speaker 2: She said she was hiring for Zoom during like the
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  Speaker 2: peak of COVID. Oh, with Zoom, it totally exploded. If
• 13:40
  Speaker 2: you can imagine that many people that she had to hire.
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  Speaker 2: So she's super legit. So we'll definitely tag her when
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  Speaker 2: we post this out. But this is one of the
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  Speaker 2: stories that she told me in my interview with her.
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  Speaker 2: So if we could play this.
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  Speaker 3: So our candidate, and I'm going to call her Candy,
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  Speaker 3: looked great on paper. So I went out to the
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  Speaker 3: lobby to bring Candy back to the interview area. She
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  Speaker 3: was seated in the lobby next to a younger man
• 14:04
  Speaker 3: who looked kind of scruffy. He was in a torn
• 14:06
  Speaker 3: t-shirt and baggy jeans. And she got up to come
• 14:09
  Speaker 3: back after I called her name. And he also got
• 14:11
  Speaker 3: up and gave her a kiss and said, good luck, honey.
• 14:14
  Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, okay. This was not on
• 14:17
  Speaker 3: my bingo card that we would come as a couple
• 14:19
  Speaker 3: to our interview. So she came back and we started
• 14:21
  Speaker 3: her interview and she seemed kind of nervous. After an
• 14:25
  Speaker 3: unusually long and rambly answer, kind of like noticed looking
• 14:29
  Speaker 3: at each other across the table and the leader of
• 14:32
  Speaker 3: our team said, hey, you know what? Thank you so
• 14:34
  Speaker 3: much for coming in. We'll be in touch. So I
• 14:37
  Speaker 3: grabbed her and escorted her out to the exit to
• 14:40
  Speaker 3: the lobby and So I went back to the interview
• 14:42
  Speaker 3: space and they were discussing the candidate and the guard
• 14:45
  Speaker 3: and the maintenance man rushed into the interview room. And
• 14:48
  Speaker 3: they were like, whatever you do, do not hire that
• 14:50
  Speaker 3: woman for this job. We're like, oh, my God, what's
• 14:53
  Speaker 3: going on? So apparently shortly after she left the lobby
• 14:56
  Speaker 3: for her interview, her boyfriend wanted to use the restroom.
• 14:59
  Speaker 3: He did not have a public restroom available. And the
• 15:02
  Speaker 3: guard told him that. and explained to him that if
• 15:04
  Speaker 3: he wanted to go into the security area, he'd have
• 15:07
  Speaker 3: to have an ID and an escort. Well, he did
• 15:09
  Speaker 3: not have an ID, started screaming at the guard. That
• 15:12
  Speaker 3: caused the maintenance man to come out of his office
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: to see what was going on. And he became more
• 15:17
  Speaker 3: and more belligerent until the guard and the maintenance man
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: had to ask him to leave the building. So he
• 15:23
  Speaker 3: left the building, headed out for his car, and then
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: he stopped at the edge of the parking lot, turned
• 15:28
  Speaker 3: around to face the building, and unzipped and started urinating
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: in the short, stopping the hedges and just did it.
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: Zipped up and went to his car. So the guard
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: and the maintenance man went out and told them specifically
• 15:42
  Speaker 3: that he was trespassed off the property. He had to
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: leave and that they would let his girlfriend know that
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: he was parked on the public street right around the corner.
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: So she was pretty shocked when he wasn't in the
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: lobby and really distressed that she had to walk a
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: half a block to get to the car. And needless
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: to say, we did not hire her.
• 16:02
  Speaker 5: Well, now I feel kind of bad because, like, what,
• 16:04
  Speaker 5: they didn't hire her because of him?
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: Well, she brought him.
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: That's her choice. There's no way that was the first
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: sign of his crazy behavior.
• 16:13
  Speaker 5: That is kind of funny, though.
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: It also reminds me of that story that we read,
• 16:16
  Speaker 4: I don't know if it was last episode or a
• 16:19
  Speaker 4: couple episodes ago. of the woman that urinated in the
• 16:23
  Speaker 4: parking lot because she wanted to avoid work by just
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: sitting in the car all day, and then she just
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: wouldn't go inside to use the bathroom.
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I never fully understood that story. Me neither. How
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: someone could think that.
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: It's a weird red flag theme for us to have,
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: just peeing in the parking lot with the candidates. Like, oh,
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: that's the red flag to look out for, I guess.
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: I don't know if that's a super relatable story, but
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: it's happened more than once, which is kind of crazy.
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: I bet there are so many... uh recruiters and hiring
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: managers and stuff out there that have had like these
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: dual interview things i've read that they're that some of
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: gen z's have brought their parents to an interview i've
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: heard that you know just it's probably some helicopter parent
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: who's so involved and is like you know i'll come
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: to interview with you honey and yeah help, help you
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: get through this. They'll understand.
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: Or maybe their, their ride, you know, to the interview.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: Well, I gave him the ride too.
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: So I don't know. That's, that's, That's a great story.
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: I bet that's not the, you know.
• 17:27
  Speaker 5: I still feel kind of bad.
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: It is tough. For her to get blamed.
• 17:31
  Speaker 5: You know that when the maintenance guy had to come.
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: In and be like, do not hire her.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: We don't ever want him near here again.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: The scruffy boyfriend.
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: Right? Yeah.
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: I thought that was funny.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: That is interesting that he came with her and sat
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: in the lobby.
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: He was being supportive, I guess. Yeah.
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: I guess.
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: But then kind of had a real fight.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: Did you go sit in the lobby there and Your
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: wife's interviews when you all were dating?
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: No, I can't say that I did.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: Did you wait in the car? No, I just let
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: her be in the car. You didn't even go with her?
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: I guess not. Bro. You don't remember? I also didn't
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: pee in the parking lot either. But we both have
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: jobs today, so it was good.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: There you go.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: Okay, let me get on to my second story. This
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: one's a little quick. This was also submitted for the contest,
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: so more opportunities for people to win $ 10, 000. Okay, at
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: the time this happened... I was part of the executive
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: leadership team at a growing organization responsible for hiring and firing.
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: I'd interviewed hundreds of candidates, and I genuinely believed that
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: I had a good instinct for people. We were hiring
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: for a front office role. This person would be the
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: face and the filter of the organization. They would touch
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: everything on a day-to-day basis, clients, staff, and operations on
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: a daily basis. On paper, our newest candidate looked solid.
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: They had a stable resume, relevant experience, But in the interview,
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: she seemed like the right fit, and she talked about
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: being dependable, staying organized, supporting the team behind the scenes,
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: no red flags. Another executive interviewed her with me, and
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: we were completely aligned on this. References checked out. We
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: all felt confident. Then her first day came along. The
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: person who walked in that door was not the same
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: person that we interviewed.
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: It's always the first day.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: Always the first day. So it was actually the same person. Okay.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: I was confused when I first heard that.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: We've had that. We've heard stories about people interviewing someone else.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the evil twin walks in. No, just a different energy.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: It was a clone. Okay.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: It says her energy was completely different. She was loud, dominating, oversharing.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: That one calm, steady presence that we had during the
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: interview was not there anymore. So I pulled the other
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: executive aside and I said, is this even the same person?
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: And they said, technically, yes, but practically no. Over the
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: next few weeks. the problems continued to add up. Conversations derailed.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: Tasks were not completed as instructed. Staff started to quietly
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: come to leadership with their concerns. The front office went
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: from being an anchor to a source of constant tension.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: So we did what good leaders do. We clarified some expectations,
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: documented feedback, all that good stuff. But instead of improving,
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: she got worse. So eventually, after months of careful management,
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: we decided that we had to let her go. We
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: handled it deliberately, professionally, knowing that the personality we were
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: dealing with was on the difficult side. So looking back,
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: what stuck with me most is this. The person we
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: met in the interview only existed for about that one hour.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: And the person who showed up every day after that
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: was completely somebody else entirely. And so that's something we
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: have to plan for in the future going forward. Yeah.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: I guess everybody, that's what you call really good interview training.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: I guess so.
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: I was about to say, I was like, I understand
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: it to an extent, but only like not in this
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: one where you're completely acting out of character. And like,
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: like I get like when you go to an interview
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: and you're nervous and you're trying to act super professional
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: and everything, and then you get hired. And now you
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: get into the company and like you let your personality
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: come out or whatever.
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: It is a little quick.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: On the first day.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: I'm going to walk in different.
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: On the first day, if you're completely like bouncing off
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: the wall, like that's a.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: Little, it's hard because like in any interview, you want
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: to be the best version of yourself. Try and make
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: a really good first impression. Uh, so I understand that
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: aspect of it, but to like do that so much
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: that that's not even a real person. And then when
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: you start at somebody completely different, I feel like, You're
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: making a first impression for months.
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: To where people are questioning, is this the same person?
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: That's how you know.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: If you're a professional and you're hiring people all the time,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: you've got to believe that after years of doing it,
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: for a big majority of it, they have figured out
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: how to get past some of that. So to pull
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: it off, to be completely someone different. That's what the
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: challenge was because even the person said that. I normally
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: have a good feel for that. Really, really tough. requires work.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: And to get past someone who does this for a living,
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: we know so many recruiters and folks who have sat
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: in hundreds if not thousands of interviews and probably can.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: Smell that junk from a mile away. Sometimes it still
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: slips through, I guess. So that's tough. I thought that
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: was an actual bad hire. Realistic story. Got any?
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: Me now.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: Hold on.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: I have two today. They're both submissions. So these were
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: submitted for our contest. The first one is super short. Um,
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: I'll just, I'll just get into it. This one we've,
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: we've read a couple of stories kind of like this one.
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: I feel like I'm the executive director of a nonprofit
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: for literacy. We train volunteers to deliver literacy instruction to underserved,
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: struggling readers. Our students are between 6 and 10 years old,
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: so like really young children. Okay.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: I'm in love already.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: I love it.
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: One volunteer was so smart and so eager to become
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: a literacy tutor, and I thought she would be the
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: best tutor. On her first meeting with the family and me,
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: she came into the library carrying a container of what.
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: Looked like tea.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: It was not tea.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: Not tea.
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: Within just a few.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: Emma precursors it.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: It wasn't tea. Okay.
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: Within just a few minutes, I realized she was very
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: badly intoxicated.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: Oh, no.
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: And that was the end of that.
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: Oh, that was it?
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: That was it. I told you.
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: It was super short.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: What was it? It wasn't tea?
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: I didn't say.
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: She was intoxicated, bro.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: It's up to your interpretation. So it was coffee. Oh, bourbon.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: Got it. Yeah, it was coffee. I understand.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: Tea, bourbon.
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: Dang. Yeah, that's tough, especially... Young kids like that.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: I'm sure you got fired around the spot. Oh, my gosh.
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: Man. Of course, the first meeting, too. First day.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: A lot of firsts around here.
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: We should.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, it's a bad hire. I guess
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: a lot of times that behavior is... That first day
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: fail is... It is amazing how many times we hear stories.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: About it happening.
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: And obviously, I don't know anything about this person or
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: their personal life. So, I'm... I'm in no place to judge.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: But, like, why would you come in on your first
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: day like that if you excelled in the interview and, like,
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: you're so eager to be a tutor and then you
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: come in and just vomit.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: Well, clearly you were able to stop long enough to interview.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: But, you know, sometimes it's a disease. Like I said,
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: I don't know them. I'm in no place to judge them.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: It's a disease. You know, they need help.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: I hate to see it.
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: I got one more.
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: This one's A little bit longer.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: Kind of long. All right.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: Cool.
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: My startup was raising an early funding round, and one
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: of our key investors knew we needed a chief technology
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: officer to quarterback our tech development. He had a friend
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: with some technical experience that had just sold his company
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: to a brand. Our investor actually made his investment contingent
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: upon us hiring his friend as our CTO. at an
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: annual salary of $ 360, 000.
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: Oh, nice.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: That's some premium dough for a startup, bro.
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: My co-founder and I were taken aback by the number
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: as we were a pre-revenue startup and hadn't even taken
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: salaries ourselves yet. Since the investment was critical to us
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: and our key investor was vouching for this person, we
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: agreed to the terms, signed documents, received the wire transfer
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: from our investor, and hired the CTO. He was living
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: in New York and we were based in Los Angeles,
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: so we only met him two or three times and
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: spent one afternoon going over his technical development plan on
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: a whiteboard. That was the only deliverable we ever received
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: from him. As his first month with us was coming up,
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: we called him for an update on his progress. He
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: went on for about 30 minutes on how he planned
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: to build out our tech stack and went over his
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: ideas for our future set. Just before we were about
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: to hang up, he said, oh, I forgot to mention something.
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: We thought it might be something regarding the tech plan.
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: He continued, I thought I should tell you that I
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: took a full-time managing director position at Goldman Sachs. He
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: said it like he was telling us what he had
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: for lunch.
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: Like, oh, by the way.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no big deal.
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: My co-founder and I looked at each other thinking we
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: must have misheard something.
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: Did you just say you're now working.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: Full-time at Goldman Sachs?
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: Like, wait, how long have you been doing that?
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's been there for a month.
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: Still not believing what we had just heard. And he replied, yes,
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: and it will actually be really good. Yes, and it
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: will actually be really good for you. Like the CTO
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: said that to them.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: Oh, he's spinning it for them.
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: It will actually be really good for you that I
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: have this full-time position.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: Good connections for them.
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Now we were incredulous. It will be good for us.
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: How is it good for us that you'll be spending
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: 40-plus hours a week at Goldman when we.
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: Just hired you to build our platform?
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: For $ 360, 000 a year.
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: And he said, well, I'll be able to do the
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: work for you at night. I'll be able to focus
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: on getting your build done even faster.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no big deal.
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: He said nonchalantly.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: Even faster than if I did it during the day.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah. No distractions at night.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: Previously, all I was doing was looking.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: For a job.
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah. And they're like, hmm, we'll have to think about that.
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: We'll call you tomorrow. Was about all we could say,
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: still in shock over.
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: over our $ 360, 000 moonlighting employee.
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: We hung up that call and immediately called our investor.
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: His reaction was like as expected. What the heck? That's
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: way out of line. I'm really sorry, guys. How much
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: have you paid him?
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: We told him we just made our first monthly payment
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: to him of $ 30, 000.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: Okay, don't worry.
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: I'll take care of it. You won't have to deal
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: with him again, he told us as we hung up
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: the call. We both looked at each other and did
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: a double take. Is this what we.
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: Could expect on the road to building a tech platform?
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: It turns out it was.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: Probably.
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: That $ 30, 000.
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: Lesson prepped us for dealing with some of the false promises,
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: deceitful conduct, and self-serving egos involved in the software development
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: space that we were to experience.
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: In the near future.
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Wow.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: Not to spoil it. But that was Steve. That was
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: Steve's story, the guy that I interviewed on Riverside.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: Oh, is it really? Oh, really?
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so he told me that story. So if you
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: want to hear that full story in depth and all
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: the kind of stuff that goes around it, I think
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: we have the full episode on it.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: Okay, cool, yeah.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: Because he was telling me that story.
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: I didn't put the people's names on here. I just
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: have the story as well.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: As she was telling the story, I was like, I
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: swear I've heard this before. It's because I watched that
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: interview with him.
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: It was actually a pretty interesting interview.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: Super interesting.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: And yeah, he tells a story about And it's so
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: true that can happen for startups and those that are
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: dependent upon investors because investors end up, especially if they're significant,
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: more significant, with a lot of power to put people
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: to work for you to say you've got to use
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: this or you've got to use that. And a great
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: example of that not working out.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think he put it really well where
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: it's like, I guess this is what I can expect
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  Speaker 2: when I'm building a tech company or however he kind
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: of put it. Because, yeah, that's what we were kind
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: of saying about this whole show being relatable to people
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  Speaker 2: in hiring. So for anybody who's kind of been hiring
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  Speaker 2: in that space, yeah, building a tech startup or whatever
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  Speaker 2: that might be, yeah there can be a lot of
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: big swings like that that can be unexpected a lot
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  Speaker 2: of you still build.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: You you were out in color were you you were
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: in silicon valley weren't you i was.
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  Speaker 2: Right near there yeah so i worked for a few
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: startups that yeah you know it's always kind of like
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: oh we're gonna make a billion dollars or actually sorry
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: no we're going on business you know and it's because
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: of that kind of thing because they have these big
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: dreams and big promises. Okay, yeah, $ 360, 000 a year or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: And it just goes like that.
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  Speaker 1: I remember you telling me when we were interviewing you,
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  Speaker 1: you were like, yeah, I went to work for this
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  Speaker 1: one company. And I actually thought, okay, this will be good.
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  Speaker 1: It'll be resourceful. And they told me, oh, you've got
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: this big budget. You've got this budget. And when you
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: got there like 30 days later, your senior person left.
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  Speaker 1: And they were like, the budget's now zero.
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  Speaker 2: Good luck.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: Good luck.
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  Speaker 2: That was kind of normal. Yeah, my chief marketing officer
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: was fired. on my 21st day. So like my boss.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: So then I was the only marketing person at the company,
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: pretty much.
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  Speaker 1: And you went from budget to no budget?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was like, I think they were spending a
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: million dollars. I actually love this story. It's one of
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: the reasons I hired you. You've got to be resourceful,
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: I guess. Because it made you resourceful.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, if this dude can do it on zero,
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: I'll take him.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: Well, I'll try to make our budget zero.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: I love it. Why were you just asking me for
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: a bunch of money? I don't understand.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: I should answer every request for money with, you didn't
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: have any before and you didn't. 20 million views? What's
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: the deal?
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: I guess he's got a point. Yeah, but imagine if
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: we went from zero to a million per year.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: You don't know what we could do.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: You've got to stay flexible with all the big changes,
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: I guess. But anyways, that full interview with Steve is
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: on our stream.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I hope people watch it because I think it
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: is kind of– he's an interesting dude.
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  Speaker 5: In a way, it kind of reminded me of the
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: guy that changed his salary to a million dollars.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: A little bit.
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: In our last episode.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it kind of pulled him out.
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: It kind of reminded me of that a little bit.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Still really funny.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny.
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  Speaker 1: Well, cool. Well, that was fun. Well, thanks for joining
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• 31:08
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• 31:09
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• 31:11
  Speaker 1: You know, we're like all new to this. And I
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: think it's getting more and more relaxed. I was telling
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: you between shows, it just feels more relaxed getting the more,
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, just more comfortable. You just
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: learn how to do it and, you know. Eventually, you
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: just get enough reps where you can do it without
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: trying to be so structured. I think maybe that's one
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: of the fun things to do is just kind of
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: like hanging around like we are when the cameras are off.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we've got this nice new podcast studio we're hanging
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  Speaker 2: out in.
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 31:38
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• 31:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we did. We put one in here. We put
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• 31:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we've been moving all around the office.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: We've been shooting in my office for the last couple
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  Speaker 1: the conference room.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: What do we call it?
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: Kitty Hawk? Yeah, the Kitty Hawk room.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so a lot of content going on.
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  Speaker 2: We've come a long way from that table when we
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  Speaker 5: Oh my goodness.
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• 32:29
  Speaker 2: Let's get a t-shirt and go. As long as you're
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• 33:02
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