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Vulnerability Is Strength · White Coat Black Sheep

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Welcome to White Coat Black Sheep.
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I'm your host, Dr. Elli.
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Thanks so much for joining us.
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We have with us, Lord,
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I'll let you please introduce yourself. Sure.
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Lord Elliot, uh, owner of NAS Power Gym, which
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Is awesome.
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I go there. Um, well, yeah, welcome.
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Thank you so much for joining me today.
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Um, I wanted to just chat with you really about life Ooh.
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And health. Okay. Um, I'm obsessed with what I do.
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Functional medicine. I know you are a gym owner.
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How did you arrive there?
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Well, we only have 40 minutes, so, um, well, uh,
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you know, my, my journey started with my father
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and he was, uh, he was a,
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he started in the sport of powerlifting.
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He was an Okie, now Japan.
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'cause he was served in the Marine Corps.
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And, uh, he came home one day, he's like, Hey,
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I started training for this thing and I'm 12 years old.
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So he's like, you're coming to the gym with me. Wow.
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And so, being at 12, my dad's a superhero to me.
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He's like, GI Joe Marine, you know,
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and he puts me on the exercise machines.
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I'm like, whoa. What else can I do? How much can
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I do? Good question. At
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12, what structurally
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and size wise were we working with?
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Were you small for your age? Or how did you range?
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I was teased four by four. Four feet tall. Four feet wide.
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Sorry for that. Loud clap, guys. That's funny. Okay.
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So she laughed at my four by four. So thanks.
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Um, so yeah, I was, I was in wrestling. I played football.
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Uh, but because I'm, I'm short,
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I was the shortest in my class.
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Sports did not go so well for me.
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All my friends were taller. Mm-hmm.
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They're faster, they're very, you know, uh,
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because of the, their height mm-hmm.
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They had a lot of momentum behind their weight
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and they could just, I just didn't
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perform as well as they did. Mm-hmm.
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Structurally different, Very structurally different.
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Mm-hmm. And so, strength training was, uh,
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was something I was really good at.
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So, you know, 13 years old now, he comes home from Okinawa.
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He's done with his tour
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and he signs me up at a gym, uh, family fitness then.
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And the only way he could sign me up is
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by lying about my age.
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Oh my gosh. So I was 13 years old as a member
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where the minimum age was 14.
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Okay. So he lied about my age and he started training me.
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Well, that's our real story started then. Mm-hmm.
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My relationship with my father.
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'cause when you're,
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when you're in the Marine Corps military brat,
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you hardly see your father.
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Mm-hmm. And at 13 years old, all I wanted
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to do was spend all my time with this hero of mine.
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And we trained almost daily, as often as we could.
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I hung out with him and the Marines.
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'cause he was a coach of the USMC, uh, powerlifting team.
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Wow. So, in order for me to hang out with my dad, I had
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to hang out with the, the Marines.
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So, which is a really cool experience on its own.
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It's amazing experience down in El Toro Marine Corps base.
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And, uh, and that's when they had the Marine
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F 18 jets flying overhead.
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So it was super cool. It was so insane. Yeah.
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Uh, especially as influenced as I was as a kid. Mm-hmm. Um,
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Adolescent years. Yep. Pivotal,
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It was so important for me.
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Mm-hmm. Well, I training so well.
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My father said, Hey, we're gonna do a, a competition.
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So I did my very first powerlifting competition.
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Wow. At 12 And at, at now. Now I'm, I'm turning 14 now.
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Oh, okay. Okay. Um, so all the disciplines
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and the training that my father put me through, it's time
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to put it on the platform.
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It's time to test it.
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How well can you perform with your disciplines
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under the test on the sport.
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Mm-hmm. And I did phenomenally well.
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Oh, wow. I broke all the state records. Oh my gosh.
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I took home trophies, lots of trophies.
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And that kind of set the tone of what my expectations were
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that he had of me.
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And I was really just a sponge to listen to him
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because he's my hero.
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That's all I wanted to do was, was be around him.
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And, you know, I got to eat some great food.
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Because when you're powerlifting, you eat so much food.
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Oh yeah. You're burning through it.
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And my favorite food, honestly, was the Frosted Flakes.
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Oh my gosh. I didn't think that you were gonna go there.
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I went there Frosted Flakes breakfast
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every morning. That's not Wheaties
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Was Frost Simple Sugar.
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Oh, it was ter Yeah. At least it has 10% vitamins. Mm-hmm.
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That's important. At least it had 10%. Yeah. 6%.
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It's certified. So, Got what you could
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Get some vitamins. Yeah.
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Do you feel like it really shifted maybe a path
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that kept you out of trouble?
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Or did you get in trouble?
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Like, what was, what was the teenage you like from there?
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I just didn't get caught, so, um, I was,
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I was a naughty teenager.
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Um, very naughty. I
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Can't even picture it. Yeah,
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right. Well, when you grow up without your father
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around so much, and, uh, you're a latchkey kid kind
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of thing, where you come home
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and your parents are working all day.
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Uh, last time you see them is seven o'clock
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in the morning when you go to school.
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And the next time you see them,
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it's not till nine o'clock at night.
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Mm. So you kind of just watch yourself
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and, uh, you know what you're supposed to do.
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You do it. So,
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Oh, you're so, God.
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Yeah. I, so my dad was retired military. Mm-hmm.
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He was a Marine. And so, but,
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and we're the, I would describe it as the second family,
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like the do over family.
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Yeah. I hate to describe it like that,
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but I think that's really the best picture of it.
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Um, so I'm the oldest.
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My dad today is 90,
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and my mom is 20 years younger than him.
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So he was a retired, um, pilot
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whenever I was, um, in my teen years.
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And so he never, he didn't have to go anywhere.
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So he's always home. But he was, you know, just watching tv.
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He didn't really get too involved.
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And then my mom was, um, she was a nurse,
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but mostly she wanted to just be like a helicopter mom.
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Like, really, like, I, I mean, I couldn't even sneeze.
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I felt like, wow. I feel like it was just like
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overly protective.
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Yeah. So I was the wild child, the one
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that always worried them the most that I'm gonna be nothing,
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nobody just in trouble.
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And I, I gave them a run for their money in high school.
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Okay. So that, that did happen.
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But, um, I feel like college, you know,
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I kind of figured it out.
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I'm like, nah, I'm gonna just be academic.
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So, so that really, I think, kind of redirected me.
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I did sports, but not like you.
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I didn't, I wasn't good enough, strong enough, fast enough,
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really, for anything competitive.
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Um, I went to Christian school, so the school that I went
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to, I feel like the talent was like mediocre at best.
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We're like, we're a small group. We had fun.
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We laughed a lot, but are we good?
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Not really, you know, but it, it's okay. Yeah.
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I did, uh, I did mostly soccer and I was fast, but yeah.
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Not fast enough to get a scholarship
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or do anything with that.
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That's really tough, you know? Mm-hmm.
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When you, when when you're looking
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for a future, what am I good for?
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What can I do? So I'm sure you were at a pivotal point
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in your, in your life career of, well, what am I good at?
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What can I do? Am I smart enough for this?
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Am I physical enough for that? So
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I was mediocre.
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So a lot in your life, you've always said was,
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was some really quotable words, like, blah, blah enough.
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Mm-hmm. Am I blah, blah enough.
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That's true. Did you live a lot with that?
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Um, yeah. You know, I, I actually am always trying
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to validate myself to myself or,
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and in all fairness, I mean, my family was tough on me.
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Um, not so much my mom and my dad,
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but I feel like my grandma.
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And it's just so weird. 'cause she wasn't overly involved,
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but she was just enough.
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So when I did see her, I'm hearing a comment about some,
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there's some critique.
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And like, for example, when I was like, oh,
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I'm gonna become a doctor, she's like, oh,
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I think you're smart enough for that
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Enough. There's the word.
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I was like, no, no.
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I really, I really don't think that I'm smart enough.
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So I don't think I'm good enough for really anything,
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but, uh, I'm gonna do it.
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And it doesn't mean I'm gonna do
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it well, but I'm gonna do it.
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Yeah. And, and I, yeah.
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That's kind of how I have approached really everything.
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Funny. You found that so quick.
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Yeah. The word enough is, is a very toxic way for,
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it's very triggering for a lot of people
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that it's a hidden trigger, I should say.
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It is very much a hidden trigger.
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That word can be a very hidden trigger that, you know, a lot
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of what prevents us from really finding success is fear.
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And we're always afraid,
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I'm afraid to do this.
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Yeah. This scares the crop out of me.
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Yeah. Look, I just got goosebumps look at that.
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Like, but um, yeah.
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So I, I found that fear is, is, uh,
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if you want dispel fear, you have
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to just put your one foot in front of the other
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and just do something and like
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Move towards it. Move
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towards it. Just one, just one foot,
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uh, one step at a time. Just
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Look at, yeah. I feel like
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I'm just gonna face it head on
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and just see what's on the other side of it.
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Yeah. Which I don't know if
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that's like the curiosity killed the cat scenario.
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You, so far it hasn't been
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because it's like there's enough like wisdom there to
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what is like, harmful for you.
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Right. But enough, uh, push, uh, a momentum forward
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to what's on the other side of that.
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Yeah. And it feels, yeah.
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Uh, that's such a unique thing
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that you just already captured. Yeah.
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It's, it's really easy to see in a lot of people.
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Well, when, you know, uh, when you know the end game mm-hmm.
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Of what people don't do, you find out why they didn't do it.
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I just couldn't accept me for to, to, to be that story.
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Yeah. There were so many moments
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where you could quit, right?
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Mm-hmm. Like, if you look at your life
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and you're like, if I would've just stopped right here,
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that's just where you almost make it.
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That's where so many people do stop.
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And it would've been understandable to stop.
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Do you have anything, I guess, in your professional world
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that would really kind of capture that
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Ev Every day?
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It's every day. So I had a conversation with a,
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with a friend this morning who,
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who's also in the gym business.
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And I was explaining to him, you know, um,
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the success for me to continue the success
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after 11 years of being a gym owner gets
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less and less and less.
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And he, he's like, well, you've been in a long time,
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so wouldn't you think that the
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percentage of success is higher?
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I said, no, because look, if you look at Walmart
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and, uh, target, those are massive retail stores.
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So you look at Mervin's, you look at Sears,
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all these retail stores that went under.
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So who's left? Well, that's the one percenters.
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So the reality of being successful
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after a certain amount of years, you know, the study shows
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after 10 years, you're less, less than 4% successful.
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Well, you're the 4%. Oh my gosh. You're the 4%.
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And, you know, owning a gym is, is not, you know, it,
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it's a very high risk business.
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Very high risk. Just like a restaurant.
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Restaurants, it's the highest risk business. Yeah.
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You know, and the customers that you bring
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and what, what kind of, what kind of product do you have
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to keep the customers coming?
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And that's very hard for restaurants.
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'cause there's always another restaurant that opens up,
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or they rebrand their name and it becomes about branding
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and what's the vibe, what's the energy.
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Mm-hmm. And then it's, you're,
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you're missing the true heart of it.
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I get It. Yeah. And so with Nas power,
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it's, it's the heart of it.
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Like, I, I put my heart in it.
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And, um, I like to believe that what I have to offer,
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you know, what my coaches teach, what, uh, the members get
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to learn, the performance, the results
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that they learn, and they get.
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Um, and we're a community.
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So when it comes to businesses, you know, what kind
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of community can you create?
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Well, you look at Walmart, you look at Sam's Club, you know,
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look at the community that they've created.
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Um, there's people that love working there
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because, you know, it's a great community for them.
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I've, I, I've some, some people gripe, well, what family,
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what members and families gripe all the time.
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And then you just have those leaders, those chargers.
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Well, all right, that's what I wanna focus on, is the lead
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and the charge and the positivity.
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And if you look too far down the road
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and you get scared by that,
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and you're not looking at what's in front of you,
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you're gonna end up walking away.
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Mm-hmm. You know? Yeah. Am I afraid of failing every day?
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But what can I do today to prevent myself from failing?
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Yeah. Well, let me go say hi to somebody. I'll start there.
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I'll put my hand out, shake and, and meet them.
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You really feel it. And so I met you, I would say several
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weeks or so or so after I had already joined the gym.
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And exactly as you just described is
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how I experienced your gym.
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Everybody says hi. It's, it's a full community.
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And that's exactly why I joined. And I'm a gem hopper.
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I have gone, I will day pass every single time.
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I don't care if it's more expensive, I will hop
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to different gyms so I don't have to commit.
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And so, but
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after my first experience, I was like,
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this feels like a place that I want to go, that I will go.
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That I'm not just gonna pay and not go.
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I want to show up here. And I just, I like your whole team.
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It just, it's different. It's different.
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And really, I, I didn't even
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know the name of it for a while.
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'cause I was just like, I just love my gym. Yeah.
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And then anytime I talked
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to people were like, oh, well, where do you go?
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I was like, I had to describe its location.
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'cause I was like, I really don't even know the name,
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because it's not overly like, logoed
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and, you know, it's not right.
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You don't lead with that.
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You know, with branding, it's, it's, it's the feeling
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that you get whenever you go and you leave.
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So, um, and just how easy it is to, um,
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you know, be yourself.
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And like, if we film, like everyone's just
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so like, comfortable with it.
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And, um, we get to bring other people along into our journey
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where we're trying really hard too.
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We're struggling with the same thing
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other people are struggling with.
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Yeah. And it's like, you get
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to see me not quit even though I want to.
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Yeah. So, yeah. I, I think it's very well done.
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Awesome. Well, I appreciate that. Yeah.
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Thank you so much. And
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It feels like you exactly.
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As you just described it, so,
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I mean, you're the secret sauce. The people matter.
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The people matter. And, uh, you know,
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you can have a great entree,
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but what kind of sauce you put on it. Yeah.
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It can ruin it. It can ruin it,
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or can make it phenomenal.
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Amazing. Yeah. So, um, yeah. If we're talking food,
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Oh, I could talk about food.
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I was a cook in the Army for six years.
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Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah.
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Interesting. And so before I came here, I was,
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before I came back, um, I, I taught elementary school,
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uh, for a couple months. Isn't that
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Stressful? You know
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what? That Looks really hard.
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It, it, it's speechless to me
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because it was an absolute amazing experience.
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I, I taught four years at Santa Barbara College.
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Oh, wow. Okay. And exercise science and business.
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Um, so I thought, you know, if I go,
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if I take this position, how well, how will it go?
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Mm-hmm. And I said, you know what, I've never done it,
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so let's just go for it.
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You know, my son is eight years old at,
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you know, when I did it.
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And I'm like, how, how bad can it be?
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Oh, I, I say that. Oh, how bad.
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How bad can it be? How bad was it?
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It was phenomenal. You know, I thought I, it,
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it was such a great experience.
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Sure. There, there's some,
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there's some heartfelt moments I had I come home
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crying to my wife.
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Oh. Because learning about, you know, kids,
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kids are phenomenal.
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Mm-hmm. Sometimes the parents are not Yeah.
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To be, just to be raw.
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Uh, that's, that's exactly why I did
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not go into pediatrics.
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I am family medicine originally, so I,
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I could definitely see kids,
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but it's the, the parents that I really,
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it's not like they're, there's anything negative,
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but like, there's just enough moments where, you know,
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I don't know, there's just a little bit too aggressive.
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And I was like, I just don't know that I could
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do this every day.
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Mm-hmm. And like, still be me
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and still feel like I'm doing my purpose in life
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Might Be irritated.
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I I can totally understand that.
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Especially when, you know, I see them healthy
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and you get to see 'em the sick.
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So mm-hmm. I get to see the progression.
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I can't imagine what's like for you that you don't get
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to see the end game mm-hmm.
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Of, of them healing and living Right.
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Where I can see them living. Mm-hmm.
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But I also see their, the, the hardships of their life.
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Yes. You know, you're taking, and
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how they must show up sometimes, like, not
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clean or whatever.
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It's like Yeah. Or I know. I can't even imagine.
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That's, that, that was the hard part.
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It, the experience I had working with
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teachers now sitting on this side of the table mm-hmm.
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Uh, gave me a completely different perspective of, uh,
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what these teachers go through.
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And I gotta say, you know,
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teachers out there, you guys are amazing.
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Absolutely. You guys are angels
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and you guys have a special place in this world
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that's just, wow.
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You know, heaven has to have a special place for
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what you guys have to go through.
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It looks hard. It's, they have,
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they have such a special heart mm-hmm.
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And love and tenderness mm-hmm. That I learned a lot from.
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Mm-hmm. My supervisor that I, that
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that was pretty much over me, um, watched over me, you know,
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and, and I, I had to sit with her
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and talk to her about my emotions,
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because how do you manage the emotions of dealing with
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the hardships of what kids go through?
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I know that exact discussion in healthcare, we have to
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get training on exactly that.
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And it's a term really described as porous.
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Like if you have pores that, or like an a mesh
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and your feelings can like go through it.
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Like if you're running water, so you can't be so porous so
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that you bear that burden.
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How is it described to you
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whenever you are having that conversation?
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It's pretty much, I mean, she was a counselor. Yeah.
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So, um, she was always open to listen.
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But, um, I gotta say that the hardest thing I had
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to do was not just step in like, you know,
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my military ways of, you know, dress.
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Right. Dress. And you actually had to learn
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to listen to the kids.
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You had to actually learn how
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to be compassionate to the kids.
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Mm-hmm. And I often found myself taking a deep breath
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and just opening my ears and my heart.
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And that was very vulnerable for me. It
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Is. Right.
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Very vulnerable for moment for me.
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It was also a very learning lesson for me.
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Like, wow, I'm capable of learning. Mm-hmm.
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Emotionally learning.
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And when I would talk to her about it, she's like, you know,
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you're, you're following the steps.
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Mm-hmm. You, you logically understand how to listen
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and how to be compassionate.
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Um, and I would just say, give me some more guidance.
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'cause this is coming at me so fast, I have no idea, um, how
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to slow this down, speed it up, pause. Mm-hmm.
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It's weird. It's almost like one of your gifts in life to
20:20
be able to see people that are hurting, to be able
20:23
to recognize something is, is not okay.
20:27
And, and to have a burden on your heart
20:29
to like, do something.
20:31
Not everybody will feel that or experience it.
20:33
It's something that you are essentially gifted with.
20:38
Um, because you could put somebody your same age
20:41
and everything, your same background Right.
20:43
Into that same scenario. And they'd be like, yeah, yeah.
20:46
I, I saw the kids today. And they feel nothing about it.
20:49
Right. I'm like, within, you know,
20:51
and I feel that way in the elderly communities
20:54
that I take care of.
20:55
I, you know, every Monday, Wednesday, Friday,
20:57
I'm taking care of all the grandmas and grandpas 65 plus.
21:01
And it is really sad. I've learned how to deal with it.
21:06
But for a long time, I mean, I would go home
21:09
and just cry by myself
21:11
because I'm like, this is horrible, horrible.
21:15
You can't even turn yourself over.
21:18
You're, I mean, you're just, you're so vulnerable.
21:21
You are the most vulnerable. And, um, yeah.
21:25
Just, I felt such a heavy heart from that. But, um, yeah.
21:29
So, but then my colleagues felt nothing.
21:33
They're just like, oh yeah, there's just another patient.
21:35
I'm like, just another patient.
21:37
Like, it just made me feel heavy. Right.
21:39
So it really, so I have kind of moved in that direction for,
21:44
I guess a chance to be different
21:47
and to help people that I see as vulnerable,
21:49
that can't help themselves, that nobody care.
21:52
No one's fighting me to see the elderly. You know?
21:55
And it's like, it's just, it's a very interesting experience
21:59
and I realize it is a gift in a sense.
22:01
That's my burden on my heart.
22:04
It is something to be, to, to be humane about humanity.
22:08
Yeah. To, to feel, to feel feelings towards humanity. Yeah.
22:13
There's a lot of blood and guts and violence on,
22:15
and the shows even that I watch, I mean,
22:17
everyone's getting like, you know, some sort of violent,
22:20
something happening and I watch all the shows
22:24
And they have to shut, they have to shut down.
22:26
Yeah. They have to compartmentalize. Yeah.
22:29
And when you shut down
22:30
and compartmentalize, you,
22:32
you almost seem like you're not human.
22:33
Mm-hmm. And so, even for me to, like I say,
22:37
I learned about emotions, um, even at
22:40
probably just a couple years ago, I've, I've learned to
22:44
open up quite a bit more about my own personal
22:46
emotions, validate myself. Uh,
22:48
Was there something that kind of shifted you into that?
22:51
Or it's just like emotional maturity?
22:53
Like over time sort of,
22:56
Um, yeah. You
22:57
know, being vulnerable.
22:59
Well, when you grow up, you know,
23:00
with without your parents' supervision all the time, and,
23:05
and you kind of just go through life
23:07
and you see how your parents are,
23:08
and then you kind of adopt that way.
23:10
And you don't know how to self-soothe.
23:12
You don't know how to cope.
23:14
You don't know how to understand feelings, so
23:17
you really just become avoidant.
23:18
Mm-hmm. So I, I have this thing
23:21
where I was very avoidant attachment, attachment style.
23:25
Mm-hmm. You familiar with all that?
23:27
I am. Um, but yeah, like, you just, uh,
23:30
you just don't talk about it.
23:32
You just don't talk about it. And then
23:33
It's somehow supposed to go away,
23:35
but it doesn't, it comes back later, I feel like,
23:39
in your relationships and
23:40
Exactly what's happened.
23:42
Yeah. And so I learned about that.
23:44
I learned about that with myself and,
23:46
and, uh, going through, you know, exercises after exercise
23:50
and you realize what vulnerability means.
23:54
Mm-hmm. And it really just allows you to be a better human
23:59
when you can just be vulnerable.
24:00
It's strength rather than, you know, a lot of people would
24:04
call that a weakness, but really it's,
24:06
it's a strength to me mm-hmm.
24:09
To actually let your guard down. Mm-hmm.
24:10
Because that is hard, that is
24:13
so hard in relationships, you know, professionally.
24:16
Like to connect with people, you have to. Right.
24:18
Otherwise you're, uh, wolf in sheep's clothing.
24:21
You're, you're a fraud.
24:22
You're fake. Yeah. You're a fake Yeah. F
24:24
Facade. I don't like it. Yeah.
24:25
I want nothing to do with that. Yep.
24:27
I'd rather be vulnerable. And Oh, I saw this thing.
24:30
It was like, um, the fastest way to sift through the people
24:34
who are not for you is to just be yourself.
24:37
Because you're gonna naturally just drive them away.
24:39
If they're not for you. Let them,
24:41
And I was just about to say something like that.
24:43
'cause when you are more vulnerable, you are empowered.
24:47
And that empowerment, uh, allows you
24:50
to attract attract mm-hmm.
24:52
People of, you know, uh, a a better vibe around you.
24:57
Yeah. The right people that are more
24:59
likeminded and aligned.
25:00
Mm-hmm. I love that. Yeah. And I had to learn that.
25:05
I wish I would've learned it faster, but,
25:07
And then even for those who aren't like-minded, even
25:10
for those who are searching for, you know, inspiration,
25:14
you create that inspiration also for others.
25:18
That's true. And that you can move and inspire them.
25:19
And, and, uh, that to me, in my business,
25:23
that's very important that I'm able to, you know,
25:27
acknowledge them mm-hmm.
25:28
Inspire them and just hit a little something
25:31
that makes them feel a light.
25:34
I like that. That they can kind of go towards. Yeah.
25:37
And, you know, we're all searching for something.
25:40
We all need help in some way. Mm-hmm.
25:42
And if my tools that I have can do that
25:46
for someone else mm-hmm.
25:47
Well, how am I being as a person to open a bigger,
25:51
wider gate for more people to,
25:54
that I can help, I can be there for her.
25:56
I feel the same. So Yeah.
25:58
And it doesn't mean that I'm like actively looking for it,
26:01
but it does mean that I, I'm not gonna shut it down.
26:05
Like, if I see that somebody feels like, inspired
26:07
that they weren't, they wouldn't
26:08
otherwise arrive to that level of like,
26:10
inspiration, like medicine, right?
26:12
Mm-hmm. Or for you, um, health and fitness.
26:15
So, I mean, I, I find that brings me joy just to sort
26:20
of nurture that as well.
26:22
So Yeah. I don't know.
26:24
There's so many different directions that you could,
26:27
you could enhance that or, or feed that,
26:29
but like, taking on students, um,
26:33
that's one way I could do it.
26:34
Or, you know, this podcast, right?
26:35
Like, I want people to be able to treat themselves, um,
26:38
or that device that I spoke to you about mm-hmm.
26:41
Which there was like a hidden $10,000
26:44
and I was just like, shocked that that hidden part, like,
26:48
was like, why didn't we start there?
26:49
Like, you know, so, but the device is awesome.
26:53
I think we're gonna give it a little bit of time
26:56
to really let other people pay that.
26:58
And then I, and, um, I can get a better price on it,
27:02
but it's just, it's teaching people to, you don't need,
27:07
um, the tools that you thought that you did to be healthy.
27:09
Right. You don't need, you know, anything fancy
27:13
or, or crazy.
27:14
You keep it simple.
27:15
Like, nutrition shouldn't be that complicated.
27:18
And it's not, it's not.
27:20
So I want it to be achievable, doable.
27:22
Like, you can get inspired by something small.
27:26
You can pass that on to each others,
27:27
but you can change your life.
27:30
Yeah. You can, you can change override your genes.
27:32
I know we've spoken a little bit about your personal health.
27:35
Mm-hmm. And, um, you know, I have a similar,
27:39
I would say genetics.
27:41
I'm predisposed to diabetes.
27:44
And, um, you know, there's just, there's things that
27:47
if I can change it for you
27:49
and I can change it for me, then you can do that
27:51
for yourself and somebody else.
27:52
Yeah. So, yeah.
27:54
I don't know if there's anything health wise
27:56
that was a major that you would like to share, but Sure.
28:00
Yeah. You know, I, I'm diabetic, I'm type two diabetic,
28:04
and through my life, um, I was obese as a child,
28:08
and then I played football
28:10
and I lost 50 pounds in fifth grade.
28:14
Oh my gosh. That's a lot of weight for a fifth grader.
28:16
Right. And I play, I started playing football,
28:19
started wrestling, so I got a better care
28:22
and handle on my health, but I didn't have the knowledge.
28:26
I just kind of, you eat less, you work out more, you know,
28:30
link cuisine, link cuisine equal on some grapefruit.
28:33
Yeah. That's, that's kind of how I did it.
28:36
Um, I just did what my parents told me. Mm-hmm.
28:40
And so once I started lifting weights, well,
28:42
protein shakes are coming in more like chalk protein.
28:47
It was terrible. The Joe weer Oh man, that,
28:51
that was a terrible product, but I did it.
28:54
You just kind of, you just kind of choke it down. Yep.
28:57
And that's what you thought it was.
28:59
So through my junior years, all the way up
29:01
until I left into the army, um, I was a powerlifter
29:05
and I loved every bit of it.
29:07
I had phenomenal success. And that
29:09
Helped you in your health too, right?
29:11
Like it was like a healthy version or?
29:13
Well, it's funny that you say that
29:15
because it was a very toxic situation.
29:18
Oh. I wanted it to be the other, it could be
29:20
Both. So, well, it, well,
29:21
we all learn differently, right? Yeah.
29:23
In, in, in our time, in our timeframe. Yep.
29:25
You know, um, we're both in our forties. Mm-hmm.
29:28
Or is that everybody knows your
29:30
I'm 42, everyone knows that.
29:31
Yeah. I, I will never lie about my age. I'm fine with it.
29:34
Um, so, you know,
29:35
every every five years we learn something about
29:38
ourselves and how to change things.
29:39
Mm-hmm. So even, even coming outta my teens, uh, you know,
29:44
because I'm a powerlifter and the, the whole energy
29:46
and vibe about powerlifting, you can eat a whole lot
29:49
of food, but we train really hard.
29:51
Mm-hmm. Really strong. Yeah. And you don't do any cardio.
29:54
That, that, that was a vibe back then. Mm-hmm.
29:57
And so, you know, it's, it's kind of like
30:00
how collegiate athletes mm-hmm.
30:02
I've, through my time, I've heard I collegiate athletes have
30:06
the, uh, you know, they, they have a,
30:09
they build a very terrible relationship with food.
30:12
They, they starve themselves trying
30:15
to be the elitist athletes, uh, the coaches,
30:18
the way they abuse their, their, their athletes.
30:21
Mm-hmm. And these, this is what you have to do.
30:24
You know, I've heard of things.
30:25
You can't have ketchup after nine.
30:27
You can't have ketchup at all.
30:28
You can't have, it's just, it's just very abusive. Yeah.
30:31
There are so many things that I'm sure a lot of listeners,
30:33
if they were athletes in college
30:35
or even in high school cheerleaders mm-hmm.
30:38
Having, you know, very bad eating
30:40
Disorders, Eating disorders, I didn't wanna say that.
30:42
Mm-hmm. But yeah. Very bad relationship with food. Yeah.
30:46
Um, well, I've met a lot of athletes that came out
30:49
with a very bad relationship with food.
30:51
Mm-hmm. And my relationship with food was my soothing.
30:56
Mm-hmm. You know, to my emotions
30:59
with the emotions I didn't understand
31:01
or I didn't know I had.
31:02
Mm-hmm. I didn't realize how food was my soothing.
31:06
And it gave you dopamine like you felt Yes.
31:08
Some relief of some sort when you had Yeah.
31:12
You know, whatever was the comfort food, it,
31:13
All of it, Twinkies.
31:15
Mm-hmm. Twinkies was, was anything sweet. Mm-hmm.
31:18
Anything, salt pizza. Mm-hmm. It would be the whole pizza.
31:21
Yep. You know, so through my time I realized,
31:26
oh wow, my health is getting really bad
31:28
because I'm eating bad.
31:29
I'm not really performing really good,
31:31
but, you know, I'm a powerlifter.
31:32
Life gets you, you have a ki a kid. Mm-hmm.
31:35
And then life gets you, you have career changes, your job,
31:38
your opportunities, and you, you just get
31:41
so outta focus from your own personal health that
31:44
that drives everything else.
31:46
You lose, you lose connection with that. And
31:49
That was probably, I'm guessing like a
31:50
whole decade, right? I'm guessing.
31:53
Yeah. Almost. Well, yeah.
31:55
Probably one and a half decades. A good 15 years.
31:58
And you don't see it 'cause you're in it. Right.
32:00
But to zoom out from here, it's like, that's a lot of harm
32:04
that can happen, which I believe is
32:07
reversible. So, so
32:09
Far it is in my journey.
32:11
Perfect. In one year, it's, it's been completely, instead
32:14
of going one direction,
32:16
it's gone the other direction. So because
32:17
You caught it, I got tired of, well,
32:20
I was finally diagnosed, my body broke one day.
32:24
I lost 30 pounds. I, my skin turned gr completely gray.
32:28
I had this, my wife would say, you have this chemical smell.
32:31
Mm-hmm. And I started shaking. Mm-hmm.
32:34
Just going to total shakes
32:36
and I could barely walk 'cause I was just shaking.
32:37
Mm-hmm. Took me to the doctor. Oh yeah, you're diabetic.
32:41
Your blood sugars are 4 96. And I'm like, wow, is that bad?
32:45
And they're like, yeah, you, you're, you're, you're,
32:48
you should have a stroke right now.
32:50
And so, immediate medication,
32:53
immediate this stopped doing that.
32:55
So I got into that vibe of exercising and mm-hmm.
32:59
But my body just felt sluggish.
33:01
Like it's just vomiting, it's just ugh.
33:04
So much. That's a diabetic myopathy. Yeah.
33:05
That's actual breakdown of the muscles.
33:08
And it was, I, I, it was a terrible, terrible feeling.
33:12
And fast forward three years, a year ago, January, uh,
33:17
January as of January 28th.
33:19
So in eight more days I said, I am going to,
33:23
can I cuss on this thing?
33:24
Absolutely. I'm gonna kick its ass. Mm-hmm.
33:27
I'm gonna kick diabetes in the ass. Mm-hmm.
33:29
I'm gonna beat it. So since then
33:32
I have lost 30 pounds. Oh,
33:34
Good Job. So since
33:35
January 28, I just,
33:37
I just did a power lifting event, you know,
33:39
a couple days ago that you weren't there for.
33:42
Anyways,
33:44
Shame.
33:45
Um, so, you know, my strength went through the roof.
33:51
My, my in and my inflammation and my shoulders, my hips
33:55
and my knees have reduced significantly so I can train.
33:59
I love that you mentioned that because with diabetes
34:02
and really with your blood glucose that goes high
34:06
and then low, if you had a more stable high
34:08
and low, that is already better than these
34:10
wild bing, bing, bing.
34:12
Yeah. That gives you inflammation,
34:14
it triggers cortisol, this whole cascade.
34:17
And it's, it's, it's atrocious. Yeah. It's awful.
34:19
It was an awful feeling to experience.
34:23
But I was consistently, so I got my blood work done.
34:26
I was 8.4 on my, uh, A1C
34:29
A1C. Mm-hmm. I
34:30
was higher than that. I was in the nines.
34:32
That means your average glucose
34:33
was three to four hundreds.
34:35
Yeah. Yep. And I was able to get down
34:38
to the one eighties consistently.
34:39
And I looked at my diary, I'm like, wow, I can't imagine.
34:43
You know. And then, um, probably by November,
34:49
so from January to November, my blood glucose was anywhere
34:53
between 1 0 4 98 to 1 10, 1 20.
34:58
So a stain nose mm-hmm. In that area. And my A1C was 5.9.
35:02
Good job. So my last blood work I had done
35:06
before coming here, my A1C is 5.6
35:09
Way to go.
35:10
And my glucose is 88.
35:13
So he has, I'm gonna say he,
35:15
'cause I'm just gonna talk about you.
35:16
Look, you're not here right this moment. Okay.
35:19
But you know, you have
35:22
reduced your risk tremendously.
35:25
So after you, if you're at 5.7 to 6.4 A1C,
35:30
you have a five-year prediction of converting to diabetes.
35:34
But if you've already converted
35:35
and then you have a diet controlled,
35:37
or at least controlled diabetes,
35:38
and so now you're 5.7 to 6.4 with a diagnosis of diabetes,
35:43
you're still at a higher risk like fivefold of, uh,
35:47
microvascular like blood vessel issues,
35:49
blindness losing a leg, kidney issues, all of these things.
35:52
Mm-hmm. So you being at 5.6 or lower, you keep it there.
35:57
You have the same risk as me. Yeah.
35:59
So you have just, it's like a all or none effect.
36:02
So I am just applauding you quietly
36:04
so I don't hurt everyone's ears.
36:06
But that's just like, ah, that's so good.
36:08
You've changed the, you've changed your life.
36:10
I mean, you've changed your genetics,
36:12
you can override it, you
36:14
Did it. And, and in that
36:15
time, in that one year span, um,
36:17
I've been able to re reduce my atorvastatin.
36:21
Okay. So one thing I wanted to get off of was atorvastatin,
36:24
because that's not good for someone who's
36:26
trying to build strength and muscle.
36:27
Um, but, you know, I was able to reduce it
36:31
and so much to where it went from 80 milligrams to 40 to 20.
36:35
And my doctor's like, wow, you're really kicking butt here.
36:38
Uh, 20. And then he said, you know, just take the twenties,
36:42
crack 'em in half mm-hmm.
36:43
To 10. And when you're done with that, let's get off of it.
36:46
Because I was co consistently enough showing normal. Yep.
36:49
He's like, let's get off of it.
36:51
Get your body to learn how to function on its own
36:54
because you're not taking in the poison anymore.
36:57
Mm-hmm. And you're treating your body like a machine. Yeah.
37:01
Um, let's get your body trained
37:03
because the medication's
37:04
not training your body how to do it.
37:06
Normally it's doing it for you. So he's like,
37:07
let's get your body to learn again.
37:09
Mm-hmm. How to do it. Right.
37:11
And I do believe that you can teach the
37:13
body, like whatever it is.
37:14
I mean, the principle
37:16
that he's talking about is very functional medicine.
37:19
Mm-hmm. Um, you know, your body already knows how,
37:22
but a lot of times you go so long with lifestyle,
37:25
the body forgets how,
37:27
because you're not needing performance in that area.
37:30
So anyway, I love that that was mentioned. Yeah.
37:33
You can regain function, you can teach your body. Okay.
37:36
You weren't active, but now I am.
37:37
So, you know, show up, give me the energy. Yeah.
37:41
So let Okay. Body, you know, I'm,
37:42
I'm giving you the chance,
37:44
I'm giving you the platform to heal Exactly.
37:46
And, uh, perform. Mm-hmm.
37:48
And that's what we're just gonna do. Yeah.
37:50
So it's just gonna take time. Mm-hmm.
37:52
But, uh, you gotta, you gotta keep,
37:55
gotta give it the platform.
37:56
Yeah, definitely. And even as like mentally,
37:59
so your brain, if you think of it as nervous system,
38:01
which is, uh, structures connected also to the muscle
38:04
that you are working out.
38:06
So you are telling your, your muscle to
38:10
put more mitochondria here, Uhhuh give me more products
38:13
to build up more energy producing cells here.
38:18
And so that's what you're doing.
38:19
And um, I mean it's just, it's incredible. Yeah.
38:23
And you did it. And other people can too.
38:25
You just have to really like put your mind to it.
38:27
That's where you start chemically.
38:29
And then you do the call to action,
38:31
and then you do the action.
38:33
It's simple, right? Yeah. It really is simple.
38:35
It is like, like how food should be simple. Mm-hmm.
38:37
And food really is simple. It is.
38:39
It's just, uh, we complicate
38:41
It. We make it weird.
38:42
Yeah. Because we, we think, uh, time is so important.
38:45
Yeah. But then you just don't realize
38:47
how much time you're really wasting.
38:49
We, that's why we had the band.
38:52
Oh, I'm getting a five minutes warning.
38:53
So that's why we had like, uh, you know, those, uh, like,
38:56
well I think they're called booty bands, but mm-hmm.
38:58
You can really, you can travel with those.
39:00
You can, I mean, there's, there's no excuse.
39:02
I try to give myself excuses and I'm like, no,
39:05
because you can do anything.
39:06
Even if you're just at your
39:08
desk and you don't even have a band.
39:09
You can do squats or pushups. Yep.
39:11
That is cardiovascular health.
39:12
That's, you know, moving your muscles. That is bone health.
39:15
You're loading the muscle. I mean,
39:17
there's just, there's so much.
39:18
There's so much. And,
39:19
and a lot of people don't realize, you know,
39:21
when they think about strength training, oh,
39:23
I'm gonna turn into a she hulk.
39:24
Mm-hmm. No, you're not.
39:26
You're actually, you're actually just you teaching
39:28
your muscles to work.
39:29
Yeah. 'cause that's the fat burner right there. Yep.
39:32
That's your sugar burner right there. Yeah.
39:34
So if you just train your muscles, then just
39:37
because you train strength is not a correlation to size.
39:40
It's not. And that's what
39:41
a lot of people don't understand.
39:43
It's hard. It hurts the brain to understand that. Yeah.
39:45
Even like what, what I, okay, so fun example, I went
39:48
to Greece and um, in Santorini there's this mountain
39:51
that has all of these winding steps.
39:53
There's like the smallest little cute donkeys,
39:56
and they are carrying the biggest Americans mm-hmm.
39:59
On their backs all the way up all of these steps.
40:02
And I felt so bad for them, but then I, you know, Googled
40:06
and like learned how much stronger the smallest little
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donkey is next to the biggest horse.
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And I was just like, okay.
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I mean, I feel like a little less bad for them,
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but still it's, you can be small and mighty
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And, and, and you could be big
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and mighty like an elephant, you know, or, uh, a camel.
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So true. But, but, uh, yeah.
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Strength and size do not correlate together.
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They do not. And that's what a lot of women
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who are fear mm-hmm.
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Prevents them from, from strength training. Right.
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You know, exercising those sugar, the sugar furnace,
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exercising the body fat furnace, that's the biggest motor
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that, that I wish, uh, a lot more women can understand.
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I hear you. And walking, walking is not the
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key strength training.
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It's, that's cardiovascular. Like it's good for your,
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for your heart, but then there's other parts of you
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that need you to show up.
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Yeah. So strength training
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and like you're saying, you know,
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really when you're thinking about strength, it's like
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how long is the muscle fiber?
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How many muscle fibers do you have?
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How many of those are activated?
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Because you could have a large muscle bundle
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and then you're not able to to activate those.
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Right. So there's no stretch on that muscle.
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There's no firing on that muscle.
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And then we gotta think about balance of the joints. Yeah.
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So if you, you know, all the muscles cross over the joints.
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Mm-hmm. If you don't move that muscle,
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you're not keeping those joints healthy.
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Yep. And thus when you get older, you start feeling aches
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and pains and you start shuffling your feet Yep.
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Because you did not exercise.
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I tell people all the time, you know, yoga, pilates,
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phenomenal strength training.
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Yeah. That is strength training. Yeah.
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Or even just like a little micro jump,
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like a just tiny jumps. Yep.
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Yeah. Like jump rope. Yeah.
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Or, or just jump without a rope. Yeah.
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Yeah. You know, that, that compression can be two
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to three times your body weight.
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Mm-hmm. So if you weigh 125 pounds,
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we're talking 375 pounds of force mm-hmm.
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Placed on your body that you're lifting 375 pounds. Yep.
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And people don't really understand how important that is.
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Yeah. Like, um,
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lymphatic drainage when you're on a trampoline.
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Oh, I love that you said that. Yes.
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Huge. A lot of people don't understand how huge mm-hmm.
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Just jumping for a minute. Mm-hmm. One minute can
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Be the, the lymph is like such a whole, like
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that's its own topic.
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Mm-hmm. Like, it's just so understated. But yeah.
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Even like the shape of your face or like how you feel
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or if your stomach is bloated, like
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so much is just lymph related, not right.
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Gut related or other body system related.
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So yeah. We'll have to talk about that.
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Yeah. Now, now we're on the roll. I
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Know. I'm like ready to go.
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I know. Okay. Lemme ask you this.
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So, um, when you started to change all of your, your habits
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and you noticed like your, your body was responding
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to your lifestyle changes, food changes, did, um, at
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what point did you start to feel good?
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Um, okay, so I didn't start feeling
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Because it feels like garbage at first.
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Yeah, it does. You don't get immediate
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reward, especially with diabetes.
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It was, it was probably about three to four months.
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Uh, so January to April mm-hmm.
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Is when I started really coming outta my, what,
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what I felt like, alright, I'm at the start gate now.
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I'm, I'm, I'm not fighting myself.
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Now I'm going along with myself because
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It's normal, just like you said, fighting myself.
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Mm-hmm. A lot of people will wanna quit in that phase.
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Right. And in your situation, I mean, three
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to four months, that's a long time.
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But some people, it's not gonna be even that short
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of a journey, it might be 12 months.
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Mm-hmm. But it will correct.
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Your body will fall in line
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and, um, that's the part where you're gonna want to quit.
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And, and for me it was, it was the expectations
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that I was this peak athlete at one point,
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and then now I'm not.
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So I'm fighting this sluggish, like you're trying
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to walk through quicksand.
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So you were competing at this time?
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Not yet, no. Okay. But you were preparing to
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I was preparing to because I used
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competition to keep me accountable. That
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Is so good. That is my accountability
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tool. Mm-hmm.
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So, you know, if, if I have an event coming up mm-hmm.
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I know I have to train for it. Mm-hmm.
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And if I need to hit a certain weight class, I know I have
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to stay good on my diet.
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Mm-hmm. And I achieve it,
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and then I immediately get myself ready for another one
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to keep my accountability.
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So my numbers, I, my expectations are higher
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and my expectations of weight loss is lower.
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Mm-hmm. So then,
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and I also get an opportunity to break the state records.
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Love it. So, you know, I was at that strength already to
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that I am achieving these results.
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Yep. So competing, even if it's a 5K run. Mm-hmm.
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It's just something to sign up for
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to keep accountability and work for something
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That accountability and that like go out and, and win.
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That's testosterone. Mm-hmm. Which is so interesting.
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So if you're somebody who doesn't have that naturally, just,
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I would say get your testosterone
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and your hormones checked, number one,
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because that is really the, the drive mm-hmm.
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Behind it. And dopamine as well, that, that desire to win.
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So those two things,
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it might just be a chemical thing that you're missing.
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So you could, you know, ask to have those things checked.
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Um, but in your case, you push through it, um,
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and man, you did it.
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And my testosterone increased this past year. Oh,
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I love that. So I increased,
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uh, 52 points.
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Everything kind of just like Right.
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It falls into place. Your
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Body can heal. Yeah.
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Yeah. Your body can heal,
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Your body can totally heal.
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Mm-hmm. And we're here for it.
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Um, it looks like we are out of time, but thank you so much.
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Absolutely. We'll have to do this again soon.
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And, um, if you guys have any questions, just um, go ahead
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and, uh, dm, um,
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and I can get those over to you as well,
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if there's any specific questions
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for a guest. Yeah. Thank you.
45:47
Thank you so much. Thanks
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so much. Oh, that was
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Good. That was fun.
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Thank
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You. That was fun,
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man. Way to go.
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Yeah. It worked for you. Yeah.
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Okay. And imagine like you're somebody
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who didn't have competitions who is just kind
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of a loner introvert.
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Mm-hmm. And has nobody like pushing them or
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Like, that's sad.
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That's, that's hard. That's especially when.