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Hey, everybody, it's Jeff. This podcast episode was recorded on Monday,
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September eleventh, two thousand twenty three. By the time you hear this,
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somethings may have changed, but we hope you enjoy the show. All right,
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folks, you are listening to Table Talk here at the Philadelphia Sports Table
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That's right over ten years strong. We got a great discussion coming your way,
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as we always do here on our Table Talk show and interview every single
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week. I gotta say two before we move into any sports, any NFL
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talk. As you know, and as I stated, just a moment ago,
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it is September eleventh here, twenty twenty three, twenty two years ago.
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Our world changed, Our nation in the United States here changed, and
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a lot of changes happened throughout the world as well. So, however you
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can do it or would want to do it today, take a moment to
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honor those fallen heroes, for sure, and take a moment to thank those
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who are serving in our armed services. My father, who served in the
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Vietnam era, was a member of the United States Air Force, and he
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in that generation you know, never have ceased to amaze me in terms of
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their service public service. So that being said, folks, we're gonna move
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along here. We're gonna get into some NFL talk this week here. Week
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one is just about over, just about over. We still got some Monday
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night football games. But man, a lot of interesting themes going on in
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the NFL early on in this season. We got a great guest. Let's
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get right to it. It is great to have it back on the podcast.
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We love having him. I love talking to him, and I you
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know what, I love talking to him also when we haven't hit the court
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button. But it's always fun to talk football with the one and only from
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sp Nation, mister Mark Scofield. How you doing Mark? I'm doing well,
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Jeff. It is fantastic to be here. It's fantastic to have NFL
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NFL football back. I mean, it's just I would just say this on
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another show. The fall is just awesome, man, I just love fall.
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I know it always stains to have the summer come to an end,
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you know, vacations and kids go back to school and all that stuff.
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But we got all the sports. We got NFL, we got college,
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we got baseball playoffs coming now, it's just a great time of the year
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if you're like me and you like apple cider, donuts and fall festivals there,
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it's a great time of year, so you know. But even better
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though, as we get NFL Week one. Basically in the books we're doing
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this on Monday, we get the Monday night game tonight between Bills and Jets,
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but we actually got NFL games and NFL talks, NFL action to talk
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about, which after a summer and an offseason of speculation, ship and wonder
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and hope and all that, we get an actual game resolves to break down.
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So it's a fun time of year, and it's always fun to be
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on with you, buddy. I appreciate it, my man, I really
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do. And man, week one here, holy cow, Mark, we
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saw so many surprises. It's one of the reasons why I contacted yesterday and
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thinking myself, you know, boy, we gotta get into some of this
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talk here about those not just the surprises, but like very eye opening type
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of storylines right here after week one. And I think, like from more
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from an offensive standpoint, because I'm like wondering what your thoughts are about how
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much of what we saw offensive offensively around the NFL, and Week one was
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perhaps because of rust and perhaps because of the fact that a lot of offensive
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starters aren't necessarily out there during the course of the preseason, and rightfully so,
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nobody wants to get injured, you know, we don't want to have
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star NFL players going down in a preseason. That completely can derail a team's
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chances at getting to the playoffs or developing certain players. There's a cyclical and
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domino effect aspect of certain players do go down in the preseason. But man,
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from an offensive standpoint, we saw some really bizarre stuff here in Week
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one and a lot of eye opening stuff. What were your thoughts, man,
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Yeah, I think there's a couple of ways you can look at this,
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Jeff, And one's a more general football thought as opposed to just an
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NFL Week one, twenty twenty three thought, is that defenses tend to be
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ahead of offenses. Like, you know, not let my high school experience,
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my college experience or anything like that is evidence, but defenses tend to
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be ahead of the game because they sort of re react, you know,
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as offenses you're installing things. And then that gets to sort of the second
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point, which you brought up there, which is, you know, would
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that players not get in time, A lot of quarterbacks sitting out in preseason
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because you don't want injuries and things like that. Maybe there's even more rush
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to knock off. Maybe weather was a factor you had that you know,
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Cincinnati and Cleveland, New England, Philadelphia, you know some other games.
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You know, certainly the Sunday night game, weather was a factor there as
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well. Maybe weather's a factor. Maybe conditioning as a factor in some games
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where it's just warmer, you know, guys are cramping and dealing with issues
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like that, so you're juggling lineups and so I think there's a lot of
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factors of play. But another one I think we should consider is is this
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a year defenses come back? You know, And as part of our multiple
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piece, lengthy, extensive, you know, NFL espidation season preview, myself
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a JPA cost to put together a piece on what we're calling the return of
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big boy football with more tight ends and running backs and linebackers and stuff like
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that on the field. But you know, we've seen this offensive explosion over
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the years. But in two games in particular, that Brown's Bengals game,
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that Cowboys Giants game, you saw two incredible defenses, Cleveland and Dallas just
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getting after it. And so maybe as part of the story here is that
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defenses are going to have an answer for what offenses have been doing. Defenses
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they're gonna take a step forward this season. Or maybe it's just those two
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defenses were so good because then you had a thirty six thirty four game between
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the Chargers and the Dolphins, and so maybe it's not going to be a
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league wide thing, but maybe we're going to see some good defenses this year
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sort of dictate terms to offenses. And so I think there's a lot at
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play, you know, whether it's rushed, whether it's players sitting out in
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the preseason, whether it's whether whether it's defenses are good. Now, I
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think there's a lot of things. It could be a factor here, absolutely.
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I mean, moving along, you're talking about defenses, and when we
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look right to that Eagles and Patriots game yesterday, it seemed that the Patriots
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defense really made a lot of in game adjustments in terms of how they were
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going to not only attack Jalen Hurts, but how they were really going to
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lock down some of the receiving core of the Philadelphia Eagles, and I thought
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it was pretty apparent, especially during the course of the second quarter itself,
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and I wanted to know, being that we are a Philly sports podcast show,
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I wanted to get your thoughts on what we saw from that Eagles Patriots
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game up in Foxborough. I mean, Jalen Hurts had what many in the
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Philly sports world would call a pretty bad game as somebody who is a quote
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top five quarterback. And we're gonna get to Joe Burrow by the way in
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a bit, but some of these top quarterbacks in the league not necessarily having
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the type of games that we thought they might have in Week one. What
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did you make of both the Eagles offense and the Patriots offense? Is even
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possible defense as well, Mark, in terms of that particular matchup, Yeah,
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Jeff, I mean, I think a couple of things stand out about
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this game. One, if you give Bill Belichick an entire offseason the game
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plan for your offense, he's gonna come up with some answers, and they
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did some things, you know, collapsing on the middle of the field,
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trying to take away some of the reeds and throws. It. Hurts wants
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to make you know, find some ways to dial up pressure on Hurts.
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You know, there was a Christian Gonzalez corner blitz late in the game that
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helped New England get another possession near the end of it. Yep, they
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did some things obviously, you know, sort of frustrated Jalen Hurts and company.
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And I think if you're an Eagles fan, you might be a little
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worried. Not so much that the offense look bad or that Hurts look bad
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or anything like that. It's just that by facing Bill Belichick week one now,
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he's should have given a quote unquote blueprint for what you might want to
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do against the Eagles going forward. So now the teams that they're going to
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face down down the Stretched over the course of the rest of the season now
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have a potential game plan. So I think there's some of that at work,
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you know, giving Belichick an entire offseason to get ready, I think
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New England's defense is going to be very good. I think that's another thing
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that Eagles fans should consider. And I think for all my Philly friends,
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when you get to say November and December, you might look back at this
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week one narrow victory in Foxborough on a rainy afternoon on Tom Brady Day and
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realized, hey, that was a pretty good win because I think that's Patriot's
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team is going to be. I'm not gonna say they're gonna win the division
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or make a deep playoff run or anything like that, but a Bowl prediction
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of mine this year is at all four teams in that division in that AFC
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East finish a five hundred, and I think New England gets there like nine
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and eight. And I think if you look at that down the road here
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look back at this week one one, you'll think, yeah, that was
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a pretty decent win for the Eagles. I think for the Patriots, we
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saw improvement from this offense. That's going to be the big story if that
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defense is as good as it looks against the Eagles, particularly after that sixteen
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nothing early deficit for New England. If that defense continues to play at that
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eleve, when New England's going to be in games and that offense win games.
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It wasn't enough yesterday, but will it be enough in games later in
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the season, or will it be enough when they don't spot the team at
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sixteen point lead that they're playing it? And so I think we saw some
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improvement from that offense. I still have some questions about Mac Jones, still
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some questions about this offensive in terms of create an explosive plays, but it's
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a market improvement from what we saw a season ago. Absolutely on Our Eagles
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Are Our Eagles Patriots Previews show, I said to my guest at the time,
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Mark, I said, you know, Mac Jones, you know,
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you can't really fall out of a basement window, so's he can. He's
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got to go up here, and I think we saw that in Week one
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from him. For sure. How he develops from here on out remains to
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be seen, but it's gonna be an interesting storyline to follow for sure.
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And folks, really quick, if you're not following Mark on the Twitter dot
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com, if you're still on the Twitter dot com at Mark Scofield, he's
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always been a great, great follow and Buddy, I'm not sure if you're
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on the threads, I'm not sure if you're doing stuff with blue Sky or
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mastadon or anything. If you want to get out any plugs for the social
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site you're on. I think microblogging is almost dead at this point. I
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do think it's it's almost dead. I mean i've got accounts everywhere. I
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don't even know what they are. I think I would threads. Is m
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sho three nine one six or zero three zero nine one six something like that.
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Yeah, I'm on Blue Sky. But yeah, I mean, X
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is still the spot for now. At some point, I don't know,
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maybe we'll just be calling people on the phone again. Who knows, Maybe
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start giving out cell phone number. Oh gosh, Mark, you called it
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X. I'm sticking with Twitter. I'm sticking with Twitter. I just yeah,
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I mean, I still call it Twitter. I don't even know anymore.
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It's also confusion and depressing. Man, it is, it is.
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It used to be a great place. Now it stinks. But I gotta
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tell you what does stink is being a Bengals fan on this Monday. Holy
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cow, the Browns just taking it to the Bengals twenty four three. Joe
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Burrow. Okay, let's get into Joe Burrow here. Mark, you had
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a forty nine percent completion percentage, eighty two passing yards, zero touchdowns.
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Man, how should we be viewing this Bengals offense here? Joe Burrow and
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what they just weren't able to do yesterday? Yeah, And I mean I
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think this sort of goes to what I was talking about earlier, is this
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is just a story about that Cleveland defense and how they're very good. And
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you know, there are a lot of people that firmly believe that Miles Garrett
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is the best pass rusher in the league. There have been some people would
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say this is the year he makes that step towards defensive player or the year
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honors. I think we saw that potential on Sunday. I think when you
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look at Adams a Darius Smith, that gives them in Jim Schwartz, some
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flexibility up front to sort of play to some matchups up front. There was
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a play in that game where you had Garrett in a two point stance over
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the center and he's literally doing the AI Allen Irison crossover before the snap ball
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gets snapped and uses a eurostep move on the center and gets almost immediate pressure
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on Joe Burrow. First of all, that's just hilarious. I mean,
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Miles Garrett is an absolute freak athlete, and to see him doing that with
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those kinds of movement skills leading to immediate pressure on Joe Burrow, it's just
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mean. It's not unfair. As an old quarterback I'm just terrified for Joe
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Burrow. But I think that's the main story here. I think the Bengals
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are going to be good, They're gonna be fine. But I do think
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that the big picture here is that Brown's defense. Now, maybe there's an
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argue to be made about whether about Borrow perhaps coming back a little too quickly
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from that calf injury, but I think the bigger story is just that Brown's
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defense and it is going to be very, very good. And it goes
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to what you were saying earlier in our discussion, just this could be the
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year of the defenses. This really could be the year of the defensive we're
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seeing it really could be. I mean, for so long it's been an
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offensive minded league, an offensive you know minded head coaches are getting jobs.
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Scoring is up, passing is up, scoring was down. Last year,
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Russian yards, you know, Russian yards per attempt were up to four point
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five highest and league history. Do we see that return to the run game,
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to defensive football. Maybe that's still a year or two away, but
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could this be the start of that wave? And look, we all know
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football tends to be somewhat cyclical. Something's in for a while. Defenses adjust,
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it goes out of style and everything sort of cycles back and around.
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Maybe that cycles underway. Yeah, and another defense too that we have to
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take a look at, and they were absolutely dominant yesterday in Pittsburgh, Sam
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for Cisco forty nine ers, but well, first off, their offense absolutely
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decimated the Steelers. McCaffrey had one hundred and fifty two rushing yards at a
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touchdown, Brandon Aiyuk one hundred twenty nine receiving yards and two touchdowns. Brock
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Purty, he looked pretty good from everything that I saw as I'm watching here
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in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, and I'm wondering if this defense is for real in
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San Francisco. And on the flip side of that, are we thinking Brock
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Purti is the real deal here as well? Or do we need to give
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it some more time thoughts on San Francisco offensively and possibly defensively here Mark,
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Yeah, Jeff, I was really impressed watching Purty live and then study at
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him this morning, because first of all, that's a very good Steelers defense.
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It's very talented obviously the T. J. Watt, but beyond that,
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Terrell Austin had a couple of plays dial thought. There was a corner
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blitz from Mink and Fitzpatrick where he had a free run at Purty. There
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was a play where, you know, this is a great example of the
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chess match between coaches. You know, you've got Deebo Samuel in the slot
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on the right, comes in orbit motion into the backfield and runs a swing
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route to the left side. Kyle Juicetech runs a swing route to the left
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side. They're trying to move everything that way to throw a backside slant route
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to Brandon Ayuk, who, as you mentioned, had a huge game.
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So you're trying to get the defense move in one way and then throw that
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backside slant. Well, some of the linebackers moved. That slant would have
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been there, but Austin had TJ. Watt, a great pass rusher,
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drop off into coverage and get underneath that slant route. And brock Purdy looks
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quickly to the left, comes to throw that slant. He polls the ball
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back, but then he sees wat right in that throwing lane, pulls the
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ball down and hits McCaffrey backside, now front side, basically on a slant
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route of his own. That could have been a pick. He could have
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thrown that right to what Austin dialed up something perfectly to beat that play.
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Purdy beat it, that making fits Patrick free run Adam Purdy somehow feels it
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coming. It's a blind side Blitz steps around it, hits Samuel and move
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the chains. Purdy look fantastic to me, and that's a very good defense.
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The creative that dialed up some schemes to generate a turnover, to generate
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a strip, sack, fumble and interception, things like that, and Perdie
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was ahead of it. His mind was able to beat those moments. That's
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the next step. Everybody says, Look, Shanahan dials such creative stuff up,
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puts perty in a position to be successful. Schemes guys open. But
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when defensive coordinators put together something that's supposed to make him confuse, it's supposed
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to force a mistake, and he's ahead of it and beats those looks.
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That's when you're cooking with gas as an offense, and so that offense look
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great. That defense showed no signs of letting up. With Ryan's now down
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in Houston, that's going to be a scary, scary team. We all
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thought, look one to fifty two. Right, just take starting quarterback aside,
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that's the best roster in the NFL right now. You add perty playing
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at that kind of level, that's a scary team. It's a very scary
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team for sure. And especially on our Eagles preview show, a season preview
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show, where we said, you know what, I don't think necessarily the
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forty nine ers may have it in him this year. In fact, in
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terms of the NFC West, I'm thinking the Seattle Seahawks maybe at the top
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there, you know, given something Jeff and I think I was. Look,
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I predicted I said that the Niners are going to get to the super
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Bowl, but I actually said that, Look, the Seahawks were going to
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win the division because of everything that they've done. Yeah, you know,
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the Nighters will be there, and they're they're talented enough to make that deep
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run, so althy'll get there in the end. But I was looking at
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the Seahawks to perhaps win that division. Don't feel too good about that call
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right now. Not right now. It is week one, A lot of
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time left again, folks. Talking to Mark Scofield from SB Nation head on
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over an SB Nation search amount they got out so much great content whether it's
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articles, tons of podcasts. Sp Nation great place to check out everything in
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show. Mark wanted to get into some of the rookie quarterbacks with you.
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You know, we had talked about the majority of the We had talked about
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all these quarterbacks in fact, you know, one of the last times that
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you were on the show as to how they were going to perform. You
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know, here in the twenty twenty three season, very interesting Week one for
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the rookie quarterbacks. Bryce Young one hundred and forty six passing yards, one
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touchdown, two interceptions. C J. Stroud two hundred and forty two passing
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yards, You didn't throw a touchdown, didn't throw an interception, and Anthony
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Richardson had two hundred and twenty three passing yards, forty rushing yards and two
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total touchdowns. I thought, I thought it wasn't terrible. It wasn't terrible
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from the rookie quarterback class coming in here. What were your thoughts and how
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do you assess this rookie quarterback class here after week one? I think after
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week one wasn't terrible is exactly what you kind of want to see these rookie
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quarterbacks, Like if you're a fan of the Colts, if you're a fan
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you know, of the Texans, if you're a fan of the Panthers,
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you wanted to see that these three quarterbacks that the game wasn't too fast for
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them. And I think that's what we saw. I mean, in a
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way, contrast that to what we're still seeing from justin field than some other
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more experienced quarterbacks work moments it feels like the game's too fascially, it didn't
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feel like on the whole it was too fast for them. I think.
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You know, with Richardson in particular, you know, if you've seen his
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passion chart, his spray chart, all but like five of his throws were
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to the right side of the field. There was a lot of pistol half
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field reads. That's what we expected, right, That's what Shane Steikin did
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with Jalen Hurts in year two. A lot of half field reads, pistols
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and RPO stuff. The proof of concept is there. Yeah, he had
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the interception. It was a bad read, badthrow, but that's to be
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expected, you know. Strout his first you forgot to mention he had a
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completion to himself. His first sclution went to himself, which is this is
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a fun little tribute question to bring up some day similar to him, like
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going up against a tough defense in Baltimore, but you know, played well,
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road game, tough environment. You know, Baltimore's a tough place to
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play. But I think he accle made it himself well. And you know,
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same thing with Bryce Young. You know, quick read and throw and
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that snap throw to Hearst for the touchdown off of a RPO type. Look,
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the game didn't seem too fast for these three quarterbacks, and I mean,
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I think the thing to remember is they'll be up in downs moments throughout
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the season. You might have considered, you know, week one, maybe
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an up for one or two or all three of these quarterbacks. There might
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be a three pick game coming for some of these guys. But they'll get
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better as the year goes on. And I think the big thing for those
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three teams is that this is a year of developing those quarterbacks. Like you're
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not expecting one of those teams to make a surprise and run to the playoffs
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this year. It could still happen, but it would be a surprise.
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I think the bigger bigger story is and the bigger thing you're hoping to see
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is when you get to November, are you still thinking yet, we've got
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the guy? And I think what we saw in week one makes me believe
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that when we get to November, when we get to December, those three
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fan bases and perhaps more importantly, those three coaching staffs are all going to
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think, yeah, we've got the guy. It might not be there yet,
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but headed into the next two there's reason for hope. Absolutely. And
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to close this out here, Mark, I always love getting your under the
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raid. Our takes if for sure whenever you come on the show. So
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if you can close us out with your biggest under the radar takeaway from week
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one that we need to keep our eyes on not just possibly week two,
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but in the foreseeable future this NFL season. What's that? What's that biggest
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under the radar takeaway for you after Week one? Here? So, I
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couldn't sleep well last night here in the DC area. We had two bouts
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of thunderstorm sort of roll through one around one of the morning, the other
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out four three got woken up by both loud rain and thunder and things like
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that, And so I'm tossing and I'm turning, and I'm thinking about some
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of the NFL preview stuff and things like that that we had written. And
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you know, we had this piece called, you know, one thing we
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love and one thing we hate for every team, and when it got to
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the Rams and the carol and the Arizona Cardinals, I wrote the same thing.
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Basically, I love the weather in those two cities this time of year,
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but I hate the rosters on those two teams, right right, I
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kind of felt in as I was tossing and turned and trying to get back
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to sleep. I felt pretty bad about that Rams part because they went out
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one yes and didn't in fairly convinced in fashion. And there is a moment
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in the locker room after the game and Matthew Stafford breaking the team down and
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said, you ignore what everybody said about us on the outside. It got
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me thinking, and so I started testing out what I consider a spicy line,
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maybe a lukewarm take. And I'm not really known for spicy or lukewarm
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takes. Are the Rams this year's Seahawks? And what I mean by that,
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Jeff, is this last summer? Right We're all saying, oh gino
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Smith. He's the bridge to whoever they draft, whether it's Bryce Young or
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c. J. Shall. They've got Russell Wilson trade, so they've got
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extra picks to work with. That's a bad roster. It's going to be
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a bad team. It's going to be a bad quarterback situation. They're just
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waiting for the next guy who they'll get in this year's draft. Everybody in
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that building, Pete kiro on Dot said no, no, no, we
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believe in Gino Smith. We believe in the players in this building. They
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go out make a playoff run. And now you've got people like me saying
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they could win the division next year. Ye Now come to the Rams,
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right, we're all saying the same thing. It's bad roster. You've got
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Donald and Stafford has been banged up and Cooper Cup's hurt. Now, yes,
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you've got the best defensive player in the game. But other than that,
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there are some questions. Maybe they'll be in the Kid Williams Hunt,
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the Drake may Hunt, whoever QB three is. You know they're going to
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need a new quarterback in the draft. They're not going to do too well.
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They're going to be in the sweepstakes for the first overall pick. They
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go on, they win a Week one against those Seahawks. Are the Rams
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gonna be this year's Seahawks? A team that sort of gets written off.
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Everybody says they're not going to be very good, but they make this surprise
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and run to the playoffs. Now, they got a tough schedule. I
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mean, they get the Niners this weekend. They got some tough games along
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the way. But I don't know. In the darker the night, when
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I was tossing and turning, when the thunderstorms rolling in, I was starting
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to think, are the Rams this year's Seahawks? I think that's a great
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take. That is a great thought to end this table talk discussion. Again,
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folks, Mark Scofield Espnation search out all their content on the innerwebs.
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They're doing great stuff over there. Mark, thanks so much, buddy for
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coming on. It was great talking to you. Come back and join us
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down the road and we'll get into more football with you. My man.
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I always love a Jeff. It is always a blast to be on.
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It's great to chat with you during the shows, before the shows, after
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the shows. It's always a ton of fun. It's great to have football
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back and it's great to be back with you, my friend. As always,
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Mark makes excellent points, and I think it's really interesting how we started
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off the discussion talking about the fact that this could actually be the year of
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the defense in the NFL. Think about that, folks. Everything the NFL
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has done over all these years to ensure that the offense is the most dominant
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aspect of the game of football, of professional football, and if this year
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is the year of the defense, that could not only be so interesting game
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by game, but just overall this entire season, like what it would mean
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actually for the game in terms of its evolution, in terms of its transformation.
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So I just love the discussion with Mark. He's always fantastic and always
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given some great little nuggets to think about as we move along in our in
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our football minds. So all right, that's gonna do it for us here
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