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Formula Fanatics #3 - Hurry Up ... and Coast! · BREAK/FIX the Motorsports & Vehicle Enthusiast Variety Show

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  All right, formula One.
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  It's almost March formula.
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  March 7th.
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  Is that the first race?
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  That's Australia?
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  Yes.
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  Man, we gotta get that Apple TV subscription turned up.
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  It went live today, apparently did.
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  Okay.
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  I was wondering when that was gonna happen.
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  So that's the other big thing.
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  Right now we can link our Apple TV to the Formula One app and
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  still use the Formula One app.
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  Like we used to use the Formula One app and then they say that after I deleted it.
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  'cause I was like, what do I need this for?
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  Yeah, I deleted it too.
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  Freaking hokey pokey.
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  Right.
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  Why couldn't he have just said that from the beginning?
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  I don't know.
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  But then you, you'd still have to log in with the Apple, right?
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  Your Apple creds.
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  I don't even know.
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  I don't know how it's gonna work.
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  We're gonna have to figure it out March 7th, so not that far away.
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  Brad, you said the Formula one calendar is available to like download, to
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  like put on your phone and stuff.
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  Like, it'll actually add it to your, like, I cal. Yeah, I have the, not the
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  F1 TV app on my phone, but the actual F1 app, and when you go to schedule,
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  you could, there's a downloadable.
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  Schedule for Apple Outlook and Google Map, uh, Google Calendar.
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  Oh, that's awesome.
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  Yeah, so I added it to both the, my Apple and Google calendars.
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  Nice.
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  I have to do that too.
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  I did it manually last year, like a full, and I'm like, I'm looking for the
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  easy button so I don't miss the races.
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  Yeah.
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  And I, I get notifications, so like, if I pull up my calendar right now, not to, you
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  know, belabor this point or whatever, but.
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  Yeah, I see Formula One Aramco preseason testing, you know, which
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  is all going on tomorrow in Bahrain.
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  So they're, they're testing this week in Bahrain.
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  And then March 5th, they're, I. I guess the Australian Grand Prix.
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  Hmm.
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  Well, they're in Australia and they have the practices and then Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Qualify the races.
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  Yeah.
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  The seventh at 11:00 PM so we'll be seeing it on the eighth.
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  Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaking of schedules, Franz Herman might be making some more debuts this year.
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  What?
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  What was this whole scuttlebutt about racing schedules?
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  Didn't we talk about this last time too?
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  No, we did not.
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  When did we have all these conversations?
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  Were we talking They always happened like the day after?
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  Well, yes, because he is interested in endurance racing and is one of the, I
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  think it's the North Life endurance race.
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  Essentially the, they're moving around the dates of that race
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  to accommodate the Formula One schedule so he can participate.
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  That's some serious influence right there.
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  How much power does Max aff in wield?
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  If he can get the sanctioning bodies to change their schedules
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  for him, I mean, that's baller.
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  He'll draw a crowd.
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  So, um, I wanna see it.
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  Where's is that gonna be on the FIA We plus after we talked
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  about in the other episode?
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  Good question.
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  They gotta show it somewhere.
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  Can't just keep it to themselves.
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  Brad, you were talking about preseason testing.
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  They've already done some preseason testing at Barcelona, which
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  Barcelona, none of it really matters.
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  I suppose It doesn't.
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  None of it matters to all crap.
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  But Tanya, you told me something the other day that was very important
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  about that Barcelona testing, which was that the drivers hate their cars.
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  Yes, I saw in, yeah, I read some quotes from the drivers
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  and all of them hate their cars.
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  Sorry, I just jumped in 'cause.
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  Whatever.
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  But yes, none of 'em like their cars.
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  I mean, it wasn't, I mean, Barcelona was already several weeks ago,
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  but the more recent news from people is that, I don't know.
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  The driving is very different.
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  Very, very different.
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  Some people are saying it's like, well, max Statin is quoted as
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  saying it's Formula E on steroids.
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  So what exactly that means for them?
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  I don't know, but I also saw something that said about like shifting into
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  first gear and it's really rough.
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  Oh, for the type?
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  Yeah.
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  If you don't do it right, you'll like upset the car.
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  And like, why are we like, what are we doing here?
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  And, and they talk about coasting into corners because it's all
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  about your battery regents.
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  So now it's this whole strategy game you have to play in order to
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  keep like your battery up and, and then passings now like, well the.
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  Without DRS anymore, they, I guess they have to go to old
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  school passing, I don't know, but apparently passing super difficult.
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  So it's gonna be like parade laps the whole time and then
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  everybody's just driving under speed to maintain their battery.
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  It's gonna be the worst season formula.
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  Dumb.
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  That's, we're gonna start calling.
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  It's be terrible, but let's talk about this Racecraft thing for a second.
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  Okay.
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  Oh my God.
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  You don't know how to pass.
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  You don't how to late break.
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  You don't know how to maneuver.
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  Just watch some Sena versus prot and you'll see how it's done by the masters.
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  Come on.
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  I don't know, but apparently first ENS has already figured out how
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  to shift gears, so, oh my God.
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  He pushes the same button he pushed before to make it go down.
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  I mean, come on, really.
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  And Louis said something about how people watching aren't gonna
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  understand what's going on.
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  Like how the rules have changed and how I guess they get to
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  drive and all that stuff.
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  I'm like, that's interesting.
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  I mean, you're either passing someone or you're not.
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  What are the other rules that are going into place?
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  It's gonna look like a giant Alonzo train is what it's gonna look like.
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  I guess the confusing thing's gonna be however they're announcing it, where
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  they're like, he is coasting into the corner for her battery regen ad and
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  blah, blah percent, blah, blah, blah.
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  So are we gonna get live telemetry from the cars showing how much regen
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  that they're doing now on this tv?
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  They do that Atta, or did they do that at lama?
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  They do do that at lama.
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  That's why I'm wondering.
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  I don't know.
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  I mean, I'm sure that's something that would be available in the F1 app.
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  'cause you could see a lot of telemetry data in the F1 app anyway, depending
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  on what you had, you could get into the dry reviews and all that stuff.
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  Has there been any mention about when the cutoff is between the gas
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  powered engine and the electric motor?
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  To your point about Formula E on steroids, is it gonna be mostly
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  electric and then kick over to gas?
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  I haven't seen anything, so I'd have to research it.
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  Because the way they're doing it in the prototype cars that like Rolex and Lamont,
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  places like that is to a certain speed.
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  It's running under electric and then it kicks over to gas to
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  carry it the rest of the way.
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  So when it's, so it's 50 50 apparently.
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  So I guess that's where it comes in, that you have to be really careful
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  with how you drain the battery then.
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  'cause it's half your, it's half your power.
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  So that means land's gonna be pulled over about lap five.
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  'cause he doesn't do very well at keeping his battery up.
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  We saw that last year.
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  He is always like zero.
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  You know what I mean?
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  There's like nothing.
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  So it'll be interesting to see how they do.
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  I think there's other things about how like the fuel flows are
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  reduced for efficiency and ah.
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  So they got rid of the DRS, but I think there's like still like the
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  Mario Kart Turbo Boost button or something where they can activate.
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  I think they could do anyway where they could get a power
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  boost from the batteries.
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  But like that apparently is gonna be the only thing they have to pass.
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  But I'm like.
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  Don't.
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  Slipstream still work?
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  I don't get it.
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  Drafting is drafting and like it hasn't changed in a hundred years, but I don't
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  know, maybe we're wrong because they're always talking about the dirty air that
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  you're in when you're following somebody.
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  Maybe that's something else that we're not understanding.
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  That's like new math where we've reinvented math to make
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  it more complicated, but the numbers end up being the same.
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  Well, I guess it depends.
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  I don't know what the aerodynamic, like how does the
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  air come off the back of them?
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  Is it so turbulent that if you're too far up somebody,
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  you're no longer in a slipstream?
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  Because in a slipstream, the air goes around you and you're in a pocket
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  of no air resistance and that's why you can keep accelerating and gain.
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  But what if coming off the back of those wings and everything
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  is just this turbulent mess?
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  They would actually.
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  Hinder you, you wouldn't be in a slipstream, you know, these cars just
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  need bumpers and a full cockpit and fenders and, and then they could bump,
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  draft and then they would, they wouldn't have these problems, you know, if that
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  was true, then Ferrari would stand a chance 'cause they would just put the 4
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  9, 9 b on track and, exactly, exactly.
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  They need different cars.
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  That's what they, that's what they need.
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  They just get rid of, get rid of this shit.
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  Which was other news if we didn't already talk about it.
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  'cause since I can't remember where we talked about anything, is
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  they're actually sending over those engineers from that car in that
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  series to work on the Formula One car.
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  So maybe, maybe it's our year.
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  No, no.
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  It's just gonna be more meh.
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  That's what it's gonna be.
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  But to a point you made, if they have to rely on.
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  Late breaking and drafting and actually passing.
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  It's called racing.
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  Yes.
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  Racing that thing.
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  Yeah.
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  Who in the field is probably best suited for that?
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  Ollie Biman and Kimmy Antonelli, boom.
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  Hammy and Alonzo.
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  And of course Master Staffing 'cause he apparently can do anything.
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  And Kinberg because, and Hulk's Ancient too.
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  And Bo, yeah.
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  All the old timers are gonna be able to drive, so who knows?
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  I don't know.
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  It'll be interesting, I guess.
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  I guess it's either gonna be horrifically boring.
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  It got awful.
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  Or maybe it'll actually be interesting.
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  I think it's gonna be A and not B. I can't wait to see the drive to survive of it.
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  I can't wait to see the first person who depletes the battery and they're
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  stuck going half speed around the track.
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  I don't know.
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  Money says it's Perez.
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  I was gonna say it's stroll.
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  Well, you're right about that.
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  Never, I, I just, I put him out of my mind.
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  Stroll's gonna be on a stroll.
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  I just, I put him out of my mind.
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  I. I don't know why, but it's still, it's still too early to tell what's
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  going on because you have, you got the, oh, Audi is doing terrible,
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  blah, blah, blah, to like, people go, oh no, we're really, Audi's progress
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  is amazing in the preseason testing.
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  And then you have like, oh, red Bull.
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  I saw something posted like Red Bull.
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  I don't know.
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  It's like at least 15 miles an hour faster than the next car.
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  And then you have, oh, well Red Bull's the fourth fastest team right now.
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  It's like, what lies?
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  It's all bullshit.
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  Really, but they had the highest top speed, but they're the fourth
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  fastest and Vertin driving.
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  And then, oh, well Mercedes is sandbagging and oh, Ferrari.
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  Then it's like, it's all smoke and mirrors at this point.
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  It's all lies.
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  But to your point about Audi bono.
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  Talk about hokey pokey.
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  Well, we're the best.
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  We're gonna be amazing.
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  We're gonna be, we're gonna be terrible.
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  Bono came out and said they have reliability issues
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  with the motors already.
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  Haven't they been working on this for like two years?
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  I don't know.
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  I don't know what to believe Lies.
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  I don't know what to believe because it's smoke mirrors at the moment.
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  I've got an unrelated question regarding the race numbers.
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  So Lando Norris won last year.
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  Is he taking the number one as Vertin going back to the 33?
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  Yes.
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  Tappin's going back to a different number.
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  I think he's, he had to go ask Ricardo if he could use the number he was using.
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  Oh, Ricardo was using three.
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  Yeah, so then I think he's going to three.
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  Okay.
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  Why do you have to ask another driver who's retired and isn't
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  even in Motorsport anymore?
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  If you can use his number.
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  Maybe it was a courtesy, but they registered.
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  Don't know.
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  Maybe he didn't have to.
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  It was just a courtesy.
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  You think Max gives a crap about Ricardo?
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  Never researched it.
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  That's weird.
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  I did see a chart about the numbers and like numbers that were
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  unallocated and numbers that belonged to certain people that they've
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  reused over, like Lewis Hamilton, the 44 and all that kind of stuff.
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  And it's like, I didn't understand the significance of that chart, but
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  maybe that's why it all lines up now.
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  They're somehow reserved.
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  But yeah, so Audi has engine troubles.
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  I don't like their livery.
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  I think they should have stuck to what we saw online in the last year's images.
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  I, I think I just, I don't like the way it looks.
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  It looks too much like the Cadillac.
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  Did you see the Cadillac?
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  You know we talked about the Super Bowl and all that stuff in the last episode.
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  Did you stick around till 10 30 to see the Cadillac reveal?
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  Yes.
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  Super late and it was really boring.
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  It was not like anything we talked about.
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  It's like black and silver.
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  That's it.
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  Well, it had the little lines that's on everything except they were just black
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  and white, so they're like hard to see.
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  But those like the little rectangles that are like the yellow and the
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  red uhhuh or whatever, Uhhuh.
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  It has those, they're just like black and white.
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  It's a gray scale.
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  It's a gray scale car.
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  This thing looks like a newspaper.
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  So when the Mercedes is coming at you and the Audi's coming at you and
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  the Cadillac's coming at you, you're gonna be able to tell the difference.
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  They're literally all the same color.
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  A don't get it.
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  Well, at least.
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  We'll, we'll look for the red or the orange on the Audi and
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  we'll know which one it is.
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  God, yeah.
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  It looks like it's about to explode from this picture.
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  It looks like it's overheating in the center.
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  It's about the rupture.
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  Danger to beautiful.
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  But speaking of liberties, you know, Williams was one of the last ones.
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  You guys can say it because I, obviously, I'm a hater and I say
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  it every year, but I don't, there's not much you can do with these cars.
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  Okay.
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  In terms of liberties, like honestly, especially with Gone are the days that
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  you had the big Marlboro across it or something like that, you know, like.
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  Yes.
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  I don't know.
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  It looks just like last year's car to me because I don't care that much to get into
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  the design of the air foil on the front.
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  It's a wing.
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  It has a wing.
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  It has wheels that are exposed.
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  But I always like the Duracell thing on the Williams car.
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  I think that's super cute up top.
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  Did you notice the wheels on the Williams though?
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  Are we going to this style wheel or are we gonna stay with those closed hubcap things
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  that we've had for the last couple years?
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  Uh, I don't know.
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  I didn't see 'em.
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  Look at the Williams closely.
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  They got spokes.
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  They got spokes, exactly.
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  And they made 'em look like a roulette wheel, which I
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  thought was also kind of cool.
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  But that's an open wheel instead of a closed wheel like we've been used to
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  seeing over the last couple of years.
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  So I'm wondering, are we gonna see some different wheels at least
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  kind of shake up the way they look because they all look the same.
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  Mm. I do think this year's car is the best looking car in a while.
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  It looks more like a car from, let's say, the Schumacher era.
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  Not with the high nose, but like, you know, the late eighties, early nineties.
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  Formula cars.
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  It looks more like a formula.
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  Last year's formula car with the funky, you know, multi-layer
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  wings, and it just looked like cat Whiskers and I, it looked goofy.
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  They claim these are shorter.
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  I don't know how by how much, but they do look shorter.
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  They look a little bit more compact.
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  So maybe that'll make for a better Monaco race at the end of the day, but
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  I don't know, they all look the same.
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  So on this month's drive through episode, we talked about things
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  going away, closing, being resurrected, stuff like that.
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  You know, who's back, do hands, back, back, back, back again.
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  Han is going to be the reserve driver at Haas.
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  Okay, go for him.
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  So when did they bring back Latifee?
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  Never.
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  That's No.
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  I mean, no, no, we're not gonna, I mean, we kept stroll around.
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  We remember what country he's from or you thinking maid?
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  Oh yeah.
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  I was thinking Maid.
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  Who the hell was Latifee?
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  Oh, he was Canadian dude.
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  Oh my God.
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  Who remembers him?
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  Apparently not you.
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  I have mixed feelings about this year's formula.
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  One season.
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  A quick lightning round.
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  Are we excited for this year's season?
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  Are we just going to suffer through it?
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  Brad?
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  I'm excited to actually be able to watch some of the races.
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  So yes, Tanya?
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  No, I mean, I'm looking forward to seeing at least.
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  All right.
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  The real question is how many races in does it become meth?
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  Three.
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  Just like last season, by the third race, there's two new teams, so
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  it'll be interesting to see Perez and BOTAs back and Cadillac, and
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  then seeing the Audi out there.
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  Seeing what all these rule changes are and how the cars behave or don't
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  behave under the new engines and aerodynamics and all that stuff.
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  So I think there's at least several races of something interesting happening,
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  followed by a whole lot of meh.
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  So, I mean, yeah, I mean, look forward to it in that sense.
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  It, there's changes, there's enough changes to make.
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  Least gotta see how it shakes out and hopefully it'll be something
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  competitive and not just parade laps at every track, because if they can't
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  pass, then what the hell are we doing?
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  We basically, like you end the race where you qualified because
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  like Monaco, every race is Monaco.
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  Yeah.
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  Do you think that if that's how Australia feels, that every
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  race is gonna be like that?
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  Or is it gonna be track dependent?
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  I think if every race starts becoming parade laps, these
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  drivers are gonna flip their lids.
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  There'll be a rule change, midseason, there's gonna be something that
• 18:11
  changes 'cause they're gonna be pissed.
• 18:13
  What does the sanctioning body care about?
• 18:15
  That it's Formula one.
• 18:16
  This is the formula we came up with.
• 18:18
  Figure it out.
• 18:19
  Isn't that how they take their arrogant attitude towards it?
• 18:22
  What if all your drivers say, fuck you?
• 18:24
  Yeah.
• 18:24
  What if the fans stop watching?
• 18:26
  What if the ratings drop?
• 18:27
  That's why you have people like Duhan waiting to be in to take somebody's seat.
• 18:32
  We'll see.
• 18:33
  I mean, they'll lose viewership because they're gonna lose all
• 18:36
  their American viewership because if they're bored, they're not
• 18:39
  gonna sit there fucking watching.
• 18:41
  They're already gonna lose their viewership anyway by
• 18:43
  switching everybody to Apple tv.
• 18:44
  So, I mean, I'm not saying they're losing everybody to get app.
• 18:48
  I mean, that's a whole thing.
• 18:49
  It's a whole, if you're not already there or you're not an,
• 18:52
  and even if you are an Apple device owner, it's a whole nother thing.
• 18:57
  It's like how many more services are there?
• 19:00
  Or it's just excuse somebody needed to get Apple tv.
• 19:02
  'cause to your point, it's cheaper to pay for the Apple TV subscription
• 19:05
  than F1 subscription was only.
• 19:07
  So you can watch the Brad Pitt movie, that's why I'm doing it.
• 19:13
  There's other shows there you wanna see.
• 19:15
  That's true, but the, the pool is not very deep on that side.
• 19:19
  No, I have Apple TV and I literally never turn it on.
• 19:22
  Probably turn it on more than you turn on Amazon Prime.
• 19:24
  Can you imagine if Formula One was on Amazon Prime?
• 19:28
  I actually use Amazon Prime Daily because of the kids.
• 19:31
  I do not.
• 19:32
  Almost do it.
• 19:33
  I don't know.
• 19:33
  I, again, I am on the fence about this formula one season.
• 19:36
  I guess we just, we only have a couple more weeks to wait and we'll
• 19:40
  know and we'll be able to talk about like what's actually happening.
• 19:43
  It's such a slog to get to this point, but every day seems like a new piece of news.
• 19:48
  But by the time this episode airs, we're within two weeks of
• 19:51
  the first race, so there we go.
• 19:53
  Right.
• 19:53
  So after all the testing, who's gonna win?
• 19:56
  Has your prediction changed?
• 19:58
  It's gonna be Max's year again, because the McLaren boys aren't
• 20:02
  gonna be able to figure it out.
• 20:03
  It's Oscar, it's Kimmy.
• 20:05
  I'm keeping an eye on Beerman and I don't know what to say about the rest of them.
• 20:09
  I know who's not gonna win.
• 20:11
  Stroll.
• 20:12
  Stroll
• 20:15
  terrible.
• 20:16
  We don't know.
• 20:17
  We don't know.
• 20:18
  Because the other twist to the plot is we have an Adrian Newey car.
• 20:22
  In order to win, you have to finish.
• 20:26
  That's not gonna happen.
• 20:27
  I don't know.
• 20:28
  It's.
• 20:29
  It'll be interesting to see.
• 20:30
  Well, you have to wait and see.
• 20:31
  Wait and see.
• 20:33
  Taste the goodness of Formula one.
• 20:37
  Oh, Brad, you had something here for us to wrap up this formula one episode
• 20:41
  with, what was this clip from Instagram?
• 20:44
  Just a little, a little fun clip, uh, that came across my feed from
• 20:48
  a racing season back in 2024.
• 20:51
  It wasn't F1.
• 20:53
  It was super formula.
• 20:54
  Okay.
• 20:55
  But basically the drivers, there was a safety car out on the track and
• 20:58
  the safety car was going so fast.
• 21:00
  The drivers were having a hard time keeping up with it.
• 21:02
  It was a marked by Toyota Super driven by Koji Obar, who I guess.
• 21:07
  Is a great driver, obviously, but they, the, and the, the commentary
• 21:12
  from the other drivers in the field were kind of funny talking about
• 21:16
  how fast this, the safety car was.
• 21:18
  They couldn't even keep up with it commenting on entering and
• 21:21
  exiting the turns and everything.
• 21:22
  So it's just a fun little clip.
• 21:24
  To get us like kind of jazzed for the season.
• 21:26
  He is booking, he's whipping that thing around.
• 21:29
  He's, he's kicking ass.
• 21:30
  And then the drivers are like, is that safety car always that quick?
• 21:34
  I do like that.
• 21:34
  I thought that was really cool.
• 21:36
  No, that's a good way to end this episode and, you know, puts us on a
• 21:39
  high note for the Formula one season.
• 21:41
  So let's get back to our regularly scheduled programming
• 21:44
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• 21:58
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