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Why the HorseHumanConnection? · The Horsehuman Connection Matrix

• 1:03
  Samson Q2U Microphone: Welcome again to the horse human connection.
• 1:05
  Samson Q2U Microphone: This is, is she able, I wanted to do another monologue episode.
• 1:11
  Samson Q2U Microphone: To clarify a lot of things.
• 1:16
  MacBook Air Microphone-3: One of the things I want to clarify is what I mean by the quiet revolution.
• 1:22
  MacBook Air Microphone-3: What I mean by the quiet revolution is the point at which the information from the equine assisted practices world.
• 1:31
  MacBook Air Microphone-3: Spills over into the traditional world of horse training.
• 1:35
  MacBook Air Microphone-3: And the traditional world of horse training becomes way better informed.
• 1:41
  MacBook Air Microphone-3: And that is really my goal.
• 1:44
  Samson Q2U Microphone: So I like to use EAP, which is equine assisted practices and that covers everything.
• 1:51
  Samson Q2U Microphone: In my mind anyway.
• 1:53
  Samson Q2U Microphone: So in, in the way I think about it, there are two worlds.
• 1:58
  Samson Q2U Microphone: There's the world of trainers.
• 2:01
  Samson Q2U Microphone: Who try to make courses, do things.
• 2:03
  Samson Q2U Microphone: For writers.
• 2:04
  Samson Q2U Microphone: There's the English world, which hunter jumper dressage, classical French dressage.
• 2:10
  Samson Q2U Microphone: There's the cowboy world, old school and new school with natural horsemanship, probably being the most popular.
• 2:19
  Samson Q2U Microphone: But I question even the methods now in natural horsemanship.
• 2:23
  Samson Q2U Microphone: I think a lot of the clinicians have a gift.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: Very advanced gifts that they themselves don't really understand that they're trying to teach.
• 2:31
  Samson Q2U Microphone: And there lies a lot of the problem.
• 2:35
  Samson Q2U Microphone: What I've come to learn from.
• 2:38
  Samson Q2U Microphone: The EPA world, the equine assisted practices world is that if we slow down and spend time with horses, just being, not asking, not with an agenda, not trying to ride them.
• 2:52
  Samson Q2U Microphone: That.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: We're able to see their true nature.
• 2:58
  Samson Q2U Microphone: And they're not that different than humans in that respect.
• 3:01
  Samson Q2U Microphone: I mean, how are you really going to get to know somebody if you're making them do something all the time.
• 3:06
  Samson Q2U Microphone: And I definitely like the slave analogy applied to horses because.
• 3:11
  Samson Q2U Microphone: That's how they're treated.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: They're not given a choice.
• 3:15
  Samson Q2U Microphone: thEy're dominated.
• 3:16
  Samson Q2U Microphone: They're taught and trained an over-trained.
• 3:21
  Samson Q2U Microphone: Ah, so another pet peeve, like asking a horse to do severe repetitions of something until they are board Steph, when they probably understood after the second or third try.
• 3:31
  Samson Q2U Microphone: That's a horrible practice.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: I put myself in that position and can't help it.
• 3:36
  Samson Q2U Microphone: I know how irritated.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: I would be how dumbed down.
• 3:42
  Samson Q2U Microphone: Or possibly aggressive.
• 3:43
  Samson Q2U Microphone: I would get, if somebody did that to me.
• 3:47
  Samson Q2U Microphone: But again, I'm a human, not a horse.
• 3:49
  Samson Q2U Microphone: And as this book that I love.
• 3:51
  Samson Q2U Microphone: Horse brain human brain points out all of our differences.
• 3:55
  Samson Q2U Microphone: And how we come together quite eloquently.
• 3:59
  Samson Q2U Microphone: So the pathways.
• 4:01
  Samson Q2U Microphone: Two.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: Horse.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: To being with horses who have the largest limbic system of any land mammals who have an ability for empathy past what many humans do or show.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: Brings us to a place where I have to continue to question this dominance.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: And I don't question it in terms of.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: Is it effective?
• 4:27
  Samson Q2U Microphone: Certainly it's effective.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: But is it the best way?
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: And when I see trainers like Sean Cook out of outside of Denver, Colorado, who really understands horses or my own trainer, Chris is Schmidt who really understands horses or people like Kimberly Dunn, who also really understand horses and break down.
• 4:49
  Samson Q2U Microphone: The neuroscience, even if they don't know or before they know what the actual neuroscience and all of the chemicals, the dopamine oxytocin, the endorphins.
• 4:59
  Samson Q2U Microphone: The cortisol, the adrenaline, and how each of these play, when you're training a horse.
• 5:04
  Samson Q2U Microphone: People that are really good at training horses.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: Intuitively.
• 5:10
  Samson Q2U Microphone: I recognize these states and when to back off.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: And when to wait.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: And when the horse is optimized for learning.
• 5:20
  Samson Q2U Microphone: The neuroscience breaks it down and explains it.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: But the neuroscience feels complicated.
• 5:26
  Samson Q2U Microphone: Sounds complicated to the lay person.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: There's a lot of vocabulary there.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: And I actually think there are a lot of people like Mani Roberts and Tom Dorrance.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: And.
• 5:37
  Samson Q2U Microphone: Some of the predecessors of natural horsemanship, perhaps even pat Parelli.
• 5:42
  Samson Q2U Microphone: Who.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: Somehow instinctually know these things, but if you don't know what, you know, you can't adequately teach it.
• 5:52
  Samson Q2U Microphone: And there lies the problem.
• 5:54
  Samson Q2U Microphone: How.
• 5:56
  Samson Q2U Microphone: I saw this woman at our local fairgrounds.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: I took my little granddaughter yesterday.
• 6:00
  Samson Q2U Microphone: To look at the horses.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: She rides a horse here.
• 6:03
  Samson Q2U Microphone: She's three.
• 6:04
  Samson Q2U Microphone: And rides is kind of an overstatement.
• 6:06
  Samson Q2U Microphone: She sits on the back and she's beginning to learn what some of the aides and connections feel like.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: But anyways, I took her to the fairgrounds.
• 6:16
  Samson Q2U Microphone: And there was one woman at the fairgrounds on a horse, I watched this woman.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: Walk around barrels, trot around barrels back the horse up.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: Who switched its tail side paths, the horse who swished its tail.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: And eventually she came close and I said, oh, I hope you don't mind us watching.
• 6:34
  Samson Q2U Microphone: And she said no, no, not at all.
• 6:36
  Samson Q2U Microphone: And I said, so it's a pretty young horse you have there.
• 6:39
  Samson Q2U Microphone: And she said, well, He is, he is on the younger side.
• 6:43
  Samson Q2U Microphone: He'd be much further along if he were my horse, but I'm writing him for a client.
• 6:47
  Samson Q2U Microphone: And I said, well, what do you make of all that tail swishing?
• 6:51
  Samson Q2U Microphone: And she didn't have had anything to say about it.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: And as she stood there with the horse seated on the horse, the horse pulling.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: It's mouth asking for more rain, obviously asking for more rain and she kept correcting and releasing.
• 7:08
  Samson Q2U Microphone: And he'd pull and she'd correct.
• 7:10
  Samson Q2U Microphone: I mean, Pull the reins tighter and then release them only a little bit though.
• 7:15
  Samson Q2U Microphone: There's still not enough of a loop in the rain.
• 7:18
  Samson Q2U Microphone: That you would see on a standard Western.
• 7:21
  Samson Q2U Microphone: Horse moving forward or even at rest.
• 7:26
  Samson Q2U Microphone: So she began to explain the basics of horsemanship to me, of course, assuming that I was just there and didn't own my own horses or didn't know anything about horse training.
• 7:36
  Samson Q2U Microphone: And she kept talking about the release.
• 7:37
  Samson Q2U Microphone: They're seeking the release, they're seeking the release.
• 7:39
  Samson Q2U Microphone: Well, okay.
• 7:40
  Samson Q2U Microphone: Yeah, I know that.
• 7:42
  Samson Q2U Microphone: So finally I said to her, it looks to me like he's asking a question.
• 7:45
  Samson Q2U Microphone: He's asking, could I please have a little bit more rain?
• 7:50
  Samson Q2U Microphone: So she sort of looked down at the horse and she loosened the rain and he started to itch his knee with his mouth.
• 7:58
  Samson Q2U Microphone: And at that point, I could see.
• 8:01
  Samson Q2U Microphone: Her going up, her becoming angry, her voice changing.
• 8:05
  Samson Q2U Microphone: And she said, well, he just can't put his nose on the ground, but he can itch.
• 8:09
  Samson Q2U Microphone: If that's all he wants to do.
• 8:12
  Samson Q2U Microphone: And I thought to myself, Here you are riding horses for other people.
• 8:17
  Samson Q2U Microphone: Thinking that you know, at all, because you understand what releases.
• 8:22
  Samson Q2U Microphone: But you're completely dominating this animal for no reason.
• 8:28
  Samson Q2U Microphone: And that is a perfect example.
• 8:31
  Samson Q2U Microphone: Of what so many horse trainers do.
• 8:33
  Samson Q2U Microphone: Don't let the horse take advantage of you.
• 8:35
  Samson Q2U Microphone: Make sure, you know, the horse knows who's boss.
• 8:38
  Samson Q2U Microphone: That horse is being disrespectful.
• 8:40
  Samson Q2U Microphone: He put his butt towards you.
• 8:41
  Samson Q2U Microphone: Like all of these interpretations that we make from the animal that are actually, if you read the neuroscience on what horses can think and do think they're incapable of.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: Things that we attribute like, like disrespect.
• 8:59
  Samson Q2U Microphone: And if we can ask instead, what is the horse asking?
• 9:03
  Samson Q2U Microphone: I believe in horse training.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: That whenever a horse is having those interactions.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: That horse is asking a question.
• 9:11
  Samson Q2U Microphone: Can I do this?
• 9:13
  Samson Q2U Microphone: Can I do that?
• 9:15
  Samson Q2U Microphone: Is this what we're doing here?
• 9:19
  Samson Q2U Microphone: Is that what you really meant?
• 9:22
  Samson Q2U Microphone: Oh, if we were able to view the horse communication as these questions.
• 9:28
  Samson Q2U Microphone: We would be so much further along and.
• 9:34
  MacBook Air Microphone-2: So people might wonder exactly where I stand on dominance and training and keeping horses.
• 9:40
  MacBook Air Microphone-2: And it's a fair question.
• 9:42
  MacBook Air Microphone-2: And sometimes there's a question I continue to ask myself.
• 9:45
  MacBook Air Microphone-2: At this point, we have evolved to a place that I really like in that.
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  MacBook Air Microphone-2: Rather than dominance, we will use what I call benevolent leadership.
• 9:57
  MacBook Air Microphone-2: In the areas of safety.
• 10:00
  MacBook Air Microphone-2: Travel.
• 10:01
  MacBook Air Microphone-2: And health.
• 10:03
  MacBook Air Microphone-2: Which means if I need.
• 10:05
  MacBook Air Microphone-2: An overweight horse to get some exercise.
• 10:07
  MacBook Air Microphone-2: I am going to exercise a role of benevolent leader, like a horse would in a herd.
• 10:15
  MacBook Air Microphone-2: If there is a safety issue.
• 10:18
  MacBook Air Microphone-2: And I need to exercise benevolent leadership, then I will do so if the horse needs to go to the vet and get in the trailer, we are going to try our best to use benevolent leadership and not dominance, but sometimes that line between benevolent leadership and some dominance.
• 10:34
  MacBook Air Microphone-2: Waivers a little bit because we're not in a perfect world.
• 10:38
  MacBook Air Microphone-2: And I feel good about keeping the horses that I have because two of them were rescued and one of them is retired.
• 10:46
  MacBook Air Microphone-2: And I know that they all want to be here with me.
• 10:49
  MacBook Air Microphone-2: I know that there are way, way worse places that does horses could be.
• 10:54
  MacBook Air Microphone-2: Oh, That answers that question.
• 10:58
  Samson Q2U Microphone: Any time that we're with horses.
• 11:01
  Samson Q2U Microphone: I want people to be aware that there are two cultures.
• 11:05
  Samson Q2U Microphone: Two species cultures.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone: There's the horse culture, which has some deviations like wild horses.
• 11:12
  Samson Q2U Microphone: And there's the human culture.
• 11:14
  Samson Q2U Microphone: Which also has deviations, people coming to be with horses and learn from horses and learn with horses or people coming to dominate horses.
• 11:26
  Samson Q2U Microphone: And if we're not aware of what those cultures entail, what their social hierarchies are, what the expectations are, what the body language is that goes with them.
• 11:38
  Samson Q2U Microphone: We're really not able to come together.
• 11:41
  Samson Q2U Microphone: The horse human connection.
• 11:44
  Samson Q2U Microphone: Doesn't happen in the most favorable way.
• 11:48
  MacBook Air Microphone: Not only does it not happen in the most favorable way?
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  MacBook Air Microphone: But.
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  MacBook Air Microphone: The conspicuous absence of the question.
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  MacBook Air Microphone: Will they let us ride if they have a choice.
• 12:03
  MacBook Air Microphone: Is important to.
• 12:04
  MacBook Air Microphone: And I'm not the original person to ask that question.
• 12:07
  MacBook Air Microphone: Also, Sinclair is she was a pearly student.
• 12:10
  MacBook Air Microphone: Who really wanted the answer to that question?
• 12:13
  MacBook Air Microphone: She has a wonderful documentary out called taming wild.
• 12:18
  MacBook Air Microphone: Where she does ask that question and she does get to ride and it's a lovely story.
• 12:24
  MacBook Air Microphone: With a scene of her and this mayor riding bareback and bridal us on the beach with the mayors full at the very end.
• 12:31
  MacBook Air Microphone: It's definitely worth a watch.
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  MacBook Air Microphone: And she had a program some years ago.
• 12:35
  MacBook Air Microphone: I don't know if she's still teaching or not, but I, I took part of her program.
• 12:39
  MacBook Air Microphone: And learn some of her technique.
• 12:42
  MacBook Air Microphone: And I think it's very effective.
• 12:44
  MacBook Air Microphone: It's mostly centered on breath work.
• 12:50
  MacBook Air Microphone: One day.
• 12:51
  MacBook Air Microphone: She said something to me as I was asking her questions.
• 12:54
  MacBook Air Microphone: As, as I do, when I, when I'm a student, I asked a lot of questions.
• 12:58
  MacBook Air Microphone: And what she said to me is I said, well, isn't that manipulation?
• 13:03
  MacBook Air Microphone: And she said, well, yes, it is.
• 13:06
  MacBook Air Microphone: I mean, she uses no tools, no round pen, no halter, no treats, nothing.
• 13:11
  MacBook Air Microphone: To train this horse or to achieve a beautiful bareback ride.
• 13:15
  MacBook Air Microphone: Uh, rides.
• 13:17
  MacBook Air Microphone: And so my question was like, well, how are you doing this?
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  MacBook Air Microphone: And, and it is a manipulation.
• 13:22
  MacBook Air Microphone: She, she said, but then she said something to me that I chewed on for at least three years.
• 13:29
  MacBook Air Microphone: Uh, possibly because I'm on the spectrum.
• 13:32
  MacBook Air Microphone: Uh, that I didn't understand that maybe I hadn't had these experiences maybe because of the way I was raised, but.
• 13:40
  MacBook Air Microphone: Where I grew up with the people that raised me, manipulation was a terrible, bad thing that we didn't want to do to each other.
• 13:47
  MacBook Air Microphone: And she said to me, I want my friends to manipulate me if that's what it takes to get me to go to the beach and have a lovely time with them and spend the day.
• 13:57
  MacBook Air Microphone: And they manipulated me to do it, then that's okay.
• 14:00
  MacBook Air Microphone: And forgive me if I've misquoted you or if I misunderstood you, but that was my takeaway.
• 14:07
  MacBook Air Microphone: And I really, like I say, I spent years trying to wrap my brain around this and the reason I'm bringing it up now.
• 14:14
  MacBook Air Microphone: It's not just about the question of, would they let us ride if we could, but what are it's, it's more of the bigger question.
• 14:21
  MacBook Air Microphone: What are we doing with horses?
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  MacBook Air Microphone: Like.
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  MacBook Air Microphone: They're not transportation.
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  MacBook Air Microphone: For the most part.
• 14:27
  MacBook Air Microphone: Um, We don't need to do this gaming, this recreation, this competition's on them.
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  MacBook Air Microphone: We don't need them to hunt foxes.
• 14:38
  MacBook Air Microphone: Why do we keep horses?
• 14:41
  MacBook Air Microphone: So if I look back over the history of man and horses and.
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  MacBook Air Microphone: And fanciful, some of that may be.
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  MacBook Air Microphone: They're here to help.
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  MacBook Air Microphone: They've always been here to help.
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  MacBook Air Microphone: They helped us in the beginning.
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  MacBook Air Microphone: Hunt.
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  MacBook Air Microphone: They helped us carry things.
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  MacBook Air Microphone: They hoped Expedia our travel.
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  MacBook Air Microphone: And then they helped us in battles, which is something I could never understand.
• 15:11
  MacBook Air Microphone: Like how could you get a horse who hates the smell of blood?
• 15:14
  MacBook Air Microphone: Who becomes terrified when something is killed to go into battle?
• 15:19
  MacBook Air Microphone: You know, and the answer to that is relationship training.
• 15:21
  MacBook Air Microphone: When you really break down and start to study.
• 15:24
  MacBook Air Microphone: The type of training that battle horses went through is nothing.
• 15:29
  MacBook Air Microphone: Nothing.
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  MacBook Air Microphone: Like what Cowboys did.
• 15:36
  MacBook Air Microphone: Anyway.
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  MacBook Air Microphone: Uh, is built on, on mutual trust and relationship.
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  MacBook Air Microphone: And.
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  MacBook Air Microphone: And valuing them.
• 15:48
  MacBook Air Microphone: So those questions become important too.
• 15:50
  MacBook Air Microphone: I told you that this podcast was about looking for answers.
• 15:54
  MacBook Air Microphone: So you know, other people that might have answers or might have different opinions.
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  MacBook Air Microphone: I welcome you to contact me.
• 16:00
  MacBook Air Microphone: I would love to hear what you think.
• 16:03
  MacBook Air Microphone: And open up discussions.
• 16:08
  MacBook Air Microphone-1: What have the other questions?
• 16:11
  MacBook Air Microphone-1: That comes up for me.
• 16:13
  MacBook Air Microphone-1: Around, why are we keeping horses?
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  MacBook Air Microphone-1: Is what would happen if we didn't.
• 16:19
  MacBook Air Microphone-1: But what if humans were allowed to have horses, where would they all be?
• 16:23
  MacBook Air Microphone-1: Would they all be Farrow?
• 16:27
  MacBook Air Microphone-1: People who, who work with wild horses and people that are educated about horses.
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  MacBook Air Microphone-1: Like to say.
• 16:34
  MacBook Air Microphone-1: That there are no actual wild horses.
• 16:37
  MacBook Air Microphone-1: In fact they're feral they have.
• 16:40
  MacBook Air Microphone-1: Collective generational memory of being domesticated.
• 16:45
  MacBook Air Microphone-1: There's not a wild horse out there in America today that doesn't have ancestors that were domesticated.
• 16:51
  MacBook Air Microphone-1: So they are technically feral, not wild.
• 16:54
  MacBook Air Microphone-1: Well, there are fight flight freeze responses are much more heightened.
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  MacBook Air Microphone-1: Dan horses that are kept by humans or around humans.
• 17:04
  MacBook Air Microphone-1: So if we didn't keep horses, Would they all be wild?
• 17:08
  MacBook Air Microphone-1: Well, wild horses.
• 17:09
  MacBook Air Microphone-1: Don't have it really good.
• 17:11
  MacBook Air Microphone-1: Not really.
• 17:12
  MacBook Air Microphone-1: And chased around by helicopters killed because their competition for cattle feeding on least government land.
• 17:21
  MacBook Air Microphone-1: It's not a really pretty picture.
• 17:24
  MacBook Air Microphone-1: Well, some of my questions too, are could wild horses.
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  MacBook Air Microphone-1: Help people.
• 17:32
  MacBook Air Microphone-1: With mental health issues with anxiety, with PTSD, with all kinds of other things.
• 17:37
  MacBook Air Microphone-1: And that might seem like a wild question.
• 17:40
  MacBook Air Microphone-1: To people, especially that don't have horses are not familiar with equine assisted practices.
• 17:46
  MacBook Air Microphone-1: I might be way out there in left field, but animal communicators might not think that's such a crazy question.
• 17:53
  MacBook Air Microphone-1: And.
• 17:55
  MacBook Air Microphone-1: I think at the basis of, is it fair to keep them installs?
• 18:00
  MacBook Air Microphone-1: Is it fair to keep them.
• 18:03
  MacBook Air Microphone-1: On smaller pieces of land and how are they treated?
• 18:06
  MacBook Air Microphone-1: How are Aquinas assisted horses treated cross the board also like.
• 18:14
  MacBook Air Microphone-1: Not all practices are the best.
• 18:17
  MacBook Air Microphone-1: Not all.
• 18:19
  MacBook Air Microphone-1: Barns are the safest.
• 18:22
  MacBook Air Microphone-1: Not all horses are happy.
• 18:24
  MacBook Air Microphone-1: Uh, I don't know that it's our job to make them happy.
• 18:28
  MacBook Air Microphone-1: I was called out recently on, on some of my word use.
• 18:30
  MacBook Air Microphone-1: I used the word use.
• 18:32
  MacBook Air Microphone-1: I used my horse in a session.
• 18:37
  MacBook Air Microphone-1: And I did.
• 18:38
  MacBook Air Microphone-1: So when I was called out on this, you know, by someone who said, I don't want to use horses, I just want to be with horses.
• 18:46
  MacBook Air Microphone-1: And yet.
• 18:48
  MacBook Air Microphone-1: And I don't know, in what capacity or what the living situation for the horses looks like.
• 18:53
  MacBook Air Microphone-1: This is a person that keeps horses.
• 18:55
  MacBook Air Microphone-1: So.
• 18:58
  MacBook Air Microphone-1: I have questions about that too.
• 19:00
  MacBook Air Microphone-1: Like just philosophical questions.
• 19:03
  MacBook Air Microphone-1: At what stage is that?
• 19:04
  MacBook Air Microphone-1: Okay.
• 19:05
  MacBook Air Microphone-1: You know, and so.
• 19:06
  MacBook Air Microphone-1: My go-to is to call an animal communicator.
• 19:09
  MacBook Air Microphone-1: To check in with more clarity than I can get from my horses or at least from another source, because maybe what I was getting was clear about how happy my horses are and how willing they are.
• 19:22
  MacBook Air Microphone-1: And.
• 19:24
  MacBook Air Microphone-1: They do seem very willing to do the work that we do, which is not a lot of work.
• 19:29
  MacBook Air Microphone-1: Um, we do a little training.
• 19:31
  MacBook Air Microphone-1: We do a little riding with permission.
• 19:36
  MacBook Air Microphone-1: And they seem to really enjoy interacting with humans while I teach humans.
• 19:43
  MacBook Air Microphone-1: About these things that I think about horses.
• 19:46
  MacBook Air Microphone-1: And they seem on board with that and the animal communicator echoed that.
• 19:51
  MacBook Air Microphone-1: So, I don't know.
• 19:52
  MacBook Air Microphone-1: Sometimes you gotta take these things with a grain of salt.
• 19:55
  MacBook Air Microphone-1: And yet they seem very, very real.
• 19:59
  MacBook Air Microphone-1: But they're questions that I wish everybody would think about.
• 20:03
  MacBook Air Microphone-1: And asking, is your horse happy?
• 20:06
  MacBook Air Microphone-1: I think some horses are very happy in their jobs.
• 20:10
  MacBook Air Microphone-1: I went to do a certified horsemanship of America.
• 20:14
  MacBook Air Microphone-1: Uh, teacher training some years ago.
• 20:16
  MacBook Air Microphone-1: And I got an opportunity to ride a horse who taught me some stuff and she was, oh, she was such a lovely being.
• 20:24
  MacBook Air Microphone-1: And she made it really clear to me that she loved her job.
• 20:27
  MacBook Air Microphone-1: It hurt her body a little bit.
• 20:29
  MacBook Air Microphone-1: She was an older horse, but she was willing, she was so willing to carry a mere round, to carry other people around because she was able to help those connections.
• 20:41
  MacBook Air Microphone-1: So, yeah, I do think that there are a lot of horses in captivity that are very happy.
• 20:46
  MacBook Air Microphone-1: I think there's even some horses installs that have been moved around to so many different places that don't have a long lasting herd that when they get thrown out in the pasture they're picked on and they might feel safer in a stall, at least some of the time.
• 21:01
  MacBook Air Microphone-1: I'm not here to judge all that, but I am here to keep asking these questions.
• 21:12
  Samson Q2U Microphone: I dominic Barbara and Dr.
• 21:14
  Samson Q2U Microphone: Katz Manis have a book called.
• 21:18
  Samson Q2U Microphone: the alchemy of lightness Lightness, the something of lightness I'll have to look it up.
• 21:25
  Samson Q2U Microphone: But they talk about horses reading your mind.
• 21:28
  Samson Q2U Microphone: They talk about the front of your brain in the back of your brain and keeping things in the forefront as pictures that you want the horse to see.
• 21:36
  Samson Q2U Microphone: And.
• 21:38
  Samson Q2U Microphone: Temple Grandin talks about.
• 21:41
  Samson Q2U Microphone: Horses and cattle thinking in pictures in their heads and autistic people.
• 21:46
  Samson Q2U Microphone: Thinking more in pictures in their heads.
• 21:49
  Samson Q2U Microphone: So at age 60.
• 21:51
  Samson Q2U Microphone: I have recently been diagnosed as being on the autism spectrum.
• 21:57
  Samson Q2U Microphone: Which it's probably pretty mild.
• 22:00
  Samson Q2U Microphone: At least I'm thinking it's pretty mild.
• 22:05
  Samson Q2U Microphone: But it's enough that.
• 22:07
  Samson Q2U Microphone: I believe there's a connection between autism and thinking in pictures and mental telepathy.
• 22:13
  Samson Q2U Microphone: And animals that hasn't been studied adequately yet.
• 22:18
  Samson Q2U Microphone: Talking to animal communicators, who can.
• 22:22
  Samson Q2U Microphone: Understand animals from far away, whether it be with pictures in their heads or emotions, or occasionally a word or sometimes language, they get messages, all different kinds of ways.
• 22:34
  Samson Q2U Microphone: And I know this to be true.
• 22:36
  Samson Q2U Microphone: And I know that my horses talk to each other in pictures, in their heads.
• 22:40
  Samson Q2U Microphone: So many times while on the larger ranch, I would be riding my horse.
• 22:44
  Samson Q2U Microphone: Sipsy trying to get a point across to her.
• 22:47
  Samson Q2U Microphone: Trying to communicate with her desperately.
• 22:50
  Samson Q2U Microphone: And not being able.
• 22:53
  Samson Q2U Microphone: To get her to understand what I was asking for.
• 22:57
  Samson Q2U Microphone: And my other horse Firefly would come over touch noses with subsea and suddenly Sipsy understood what I wanted.
• 23:06
  Samson Q2U Microphone: Was Firefly talking to her.
• 23:08
  Samson Q2U Microphone: I think so.
• 23:09
  Samson Q2U Microphone: I think she's giving her pictures.
• 23:10
  Samson Q2U Microphone: I think she's giving her information.
• 23:12
  Samson Q2U Microphone: Firefly is a very well-trained.
• 23:14
  Samson Q2U Microphone: Horse.
• 23:16
  Samson Q2U Microphone: And very good at communicating.
• 23:19
  Samson Q2U Microphone: Both in pantomime.
• 23:20
  Samson Q2U Microphone: I mean, she will actually act things out for me.
• 23:24
  Samson Q2U Microphone: In metaphor.
• 23:26
  Samson Q2U Microphone: But you think a horse that steps on your toes doesn't know what it's doing.
• 23:29
  Samson Q2U Microphone: My horses step on toes when they're getting the message across.
• 23:33
  Samson Q2U Microphone: Are you stepping on somebody's toes or is somebody infringing on your rights?
• 23:38
  Samson Q2U Microphone: They use metaphor regularly.
• 23:41
  Samson Q2U Microphone: In equine assisted learning sessions.
• 23:43
  Samson Q2U Microphone: And we do, we do something.
• 23:45
  Samson Q2U Microphone: That's rather youngian and gestalt in horseplay, where there are.
• 23:53
  Samson Q2U Microphone: There is a container of toys and things that can be symbolic, like a helmet, a chain, a flashlight, a baby doll.
• 24:01
  Samson Q2U Microphone: A butterfly wings, you know, from the kid's toy department.
• 24:05
  Samson Q2U Microphone: Microphone, a pair of scissors.
• 24:07
  Samson Q2U Microphone: Plastic dagger.
• 24:10
  Samson Q2U Microphone: All kinds of things that people attribute symbols to.
• 24:15
  Samson Q2U Microphone: And the horses will interact with the symbols as if they understand them.
• 24:19
  Samson Q2U Microphone: I don't know if they understand the energy from them.
• 24:21
  Samson Q2U Microphone: I don't know if they understand the emotions.
• 24:23
  Samson Q2U Microphone: That they evoke in people and they read the emotion, which I think is very likely given the size of their limbic systems.
• 24:33
  Samson Q2U Microphone: And given their just sort of innate ability to know and connect.
• 24:39
  Samson Q2U Microphone: I don't know if this is possible for everybody.
• 24:42
  Samson Q2U Microphone: I think it is.
• 24:44
  Samson Q2U Microphone: I don't know if having someone there who's mildly autistic or mildly.
• 24:50
  Samson Q2U Microphone: Um, Clairvoyant.
• 24:53
  Samson Q2U Microphone: Is key.
• 24:56
  Samson Q2U Microphone: But those are some of the questions that I have to the magic that I've witnessed.
• 25:01
  Samson Q2U Microphone: And I'm hoping that by interviewing horse trainers, animal communicators.
• 25:07
  Samson Q2U Microphone: People have had similar experiences.
• 25:10
  Samson Q2U Microphone: People who haven't had similar experiences.
• 25:13
  Samson Q2U Microphone: That some of these questions get answered.
• 25:16
  Samson Q2U Microphone: Or.
• 25:17
  Samson Q2U Microphone: At least the discussions that might answer them or.
• 25:21
  Samson Q2U Microphone: Or bring some conclusions.
• 25:23
  Samson Q2U Microphone: Happen.
• 25:25
  Samson Q2U Microphone: I want to correct ignorance.
• 25:27
  Samson Q2U Microphone: I want people that train horses to stop and question what they're doing.
• 25:32
  Samson Q2U Microphone: Things that we're taught all the time.
• 25:34
  Samson Q2U Microphone: Like, oh, don't walk behind a horse.
• 25:35
  Samson Q2U Microphone: It's dangerous.
• 25:36
  Samson Q2U Microphone: You might surprise them.
• 25:37
  Samson Q2U Microphone: Well, yeah, if you have a really wild horse or one that's really amped up on adrenaline and cortisol, you might be able to sneak up on one.
• 25:46
  Samson Q2U Microphone: But what most people don't realize is except for directly in front of them and directly behind them, horses have pretty much a 360 degree view.
• 25:56
  Samson Q2U Microphone: Try to sneak up on a domestic horse.
• 25:59
  Samson Q2U Microphone: You probably can't.
• 26:01
  Samson Q2U Microphone: So the fact that you might startle them by walking behind them or that a domestic horse would be inadvertently so aggressive as to kick you, if you did surprise them.
• 26:12
  Samson Q2U Microphone: To me as ridiculous.
• 26:14
  Samson Q2U Microphone: What I see.
• 26:16
  Samson Q2U Microphone: When I bring people in with the horses to be with the horses, to interact with the horses, to do this gestalt type of play with them.
• 26:23
  Samson Q2U Microphone: Is that a horse backing up to you can mean they feel protective of you.
• 26:27
  Samson Q2U Microphone: Like they do with their young.
• 26:29
  Samson Q2U Microphone: I could mean, could you please scratch my butt?
• 26:31
  Samson Q2U Microphone: It really itches.
• 26:33
  Samson Q2U Microphone: Or could mean, I want to see what you do.
• 26:36
  Samson Q2U Microphone: As I backed up.
• 26:38
  Samson Q2U Microphone: If we don't all question, our belief systems question, the thoughts in our heads.
• 26:43
  Samson Q2U Microphone: All the time.
• 26:46
  Samson Q2U Microphone: We're not awake.
• 26:48
  Samson Q2U Microphone: We're not aware.
• 26:50
  Samson Q2U Microphone: And we're indoctrinated into some program that our culture and society has laid over on us.
• 26:58
  Samson Q2U Microphone: And in these times, That is more important now than ever.
• 27:04
  Samson Q2U Microphone: Because as we have no collective truth, as we have very little reliable information anymore.
• 27:11
  Samson Q2U Microphone: We're going to need to switch to our intuition.
• 27:14
  Samson Q2U Microphone: We're going to need to switch to critical thinking, which has stopped being taught in schools.
• 27:19
  Samson Q2U Microphone: We're going to need another way to find our way.
• 27:22
  Samson Q2U Microphone: Because simply looking stuff up on the internet of opinions and simply having things, thoughts arise in our heads that come from traditions that may be inaccurate.
• 27:32
  Samson Q2U Microphone: It's not going to serve us anymore.
• 27:35
  Samson Q2U Microphone: Anyway, that is a lot of what I'm trying to accomplish with this podcast.
• 27:39
  Samson Q2U Microphone: Bringing awareness, asking questions.
• 27:43
  Samson Q2U Microphone: And I'm finding that the phrase, the tipping point is getting really overused.
• 27:48
  Samson Q2U Microphone: But that's what I call it.
• 27:50
  Samson Q2U Microphone: When so many people are now.
• 27:52
  Samson Q2U Microphone: Educated in equine assisted practices.
• 27:56
  Samson Q2U Microphone: So many people have experienced to slowing down and being welcomed into the horse culture.
• 28:03
  Samson Q2U Microphone: Which is a different time, like.
• 28:06
  Samson Q2U Microphone: I don't mean time, like in the past.
• 28:11
  Samson Q2U Microphone: I mean.
• 28:12
  Samson Q2U Microphone: It's like time slows down, time stands still.
• 28:15
  Samson Q2U Microphone: We become present.
• 28:16
  Samson Q2U Microphone: We stop thinking about the past and the future.
• 28:18
  Samson Q2U Microphone: We just become present.
• 28:22
  Samson Q2U Microphone: It's a thing that.
• 28:23
  Samson Q2U Microphone: I don't know some of the.
• 28:25
  Samson Q2U Microphone: Th the major wisdom influences that I consider in our age, like Deepak Chopra and Eckhart.
• 28:32
  Samson Q2U Microphone: Totally.
• 28:33
  Samson Q2U Microphone: Try to teach that be, if we're present, the answers will come.
• 28:37
  Samson Q2U Microphone: If we're present, our intuition will deepen.
• 28:42
  Samson Q2U Microphone: And that's what I get from being with the horses.
• 28:45
  Samson Q2U Microphone: I want to offer that to people.
• 28:49
  Samson Q2U Microphone: I'm not quite sure how to offer that.
• 28:51
  Samson Q2U Microphone: And keep my own serenity.
• 28:53
  Samson Q2U Microphone: Keep my own peace.
• 28:54
  Samson Q2U Microphone: Keep the outside world at bay.
• 28:57
  Samson Q2U Microphone: But I have a campground.
• 28:58
  Samson Q2U Microphone: I have a place I have a year.
• 29:02
  Samson Q2U Microphone: That a visitor or two at a time can stay in.
• 29:07
  Samson Q2U Microphone: And it's not just the horses and the goats and the chickens that help slow everything down.
• 29:11
  Samson Q2U Microphone: It's the river.
• 29:13
  Samson Q2U Microphone: It's the forest behind me.
• 29:15
  Samson Q2U Microphone: It's the fruit trees.
• 29:18
  Samson Q2U Microphone: And it's me as a guide.
• 29:21
  Samson Q2U Microphone: Reminding people to just be present.
• 29:24
  Samson Q2U Microphone: That's what I want to offer.
• 29:26
  Samson Q2U Microphone: When I talk about the horse human connection being.
• 29:30
  Samson Q2U Microphone: An idea.
• 29:31
  Samson Q2U Microphone: I think you're getting the idea and I talk about it being a place.
• 29:35
  Samson Q2U Microphone: It is a physical place.
• 29:36
  Samson Q2U Microphone: It's my farm.
• 29:38
  Samson Q2U Microphone: And it's my home.
• 29:40
  Samson Q2U Microphone: And I'm particular about who I will let come here, but I will let people come here.
• 29:47
  Samson Q2U Microphone: And it's also this podcast.
• 29:49
  Samson Q2U Microphone: Which is a voice, not just my voice.
• 29:53
  Samson Q2U Microphone: But the voice of, of many.
• 29:56
  Samson Q2U Microphone: Who will hopefully be able to answer some of these questions.