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#444: Beefing with a Podcast, Gambling Addiction, New Job Anxiety · Pod Therapy

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  Speaker 1: I come around, I'm like.
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  Speaker 2: Get the Oh yeah, the kids got shipped on, like
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  Speaker 2: by the birds because there were so many birds. And
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  Speaker 2: like one day we're playing football, kids just getting ship
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  Speaker 2: on and is like, oh okay, this happened.
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  Speaker 3: That patch is just a white it's just a white splot.
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  Speaker 3: Oh wait, I was confusing that with a different merit.
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  Speaker 2: They actually got rid of that. That's ok. They don't
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  Speaker 2: do that anymore. Progressive the bankruptcy and everything is cleared
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  Speaker 2: that so we don't do that.
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  Speaker 3: From Fabulous Las Vegas, Nevada, this is pod Therapy, Real people,
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  Speaker 3: real problems, and real therapists. You can submit your questions
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  Speaker 3: anonymously at pod therapy dot net or email us at
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  Speaker 3: pod therapy guys at gmail dot com. And now broadcasting
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  Speaker 3: from the unnamed studio. That's Jim, that's Whitney.
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  Speaker 2: I'm nicked. It's time for some pot therapy. We're back, baby,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm gonna clap because that's gonna come in handy later.
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  Speaker 2: Oh okay, see when you go to a gynecologist, this
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  Speaker 2: this duck contraption. Yeah yeah yeah, let me explain how
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  Speaker 2: this works. Win. This is something I got from an
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  Speaker 2: ice cream social listener. It is a duck shaped rice mold.
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  Speaker 2: I was going to go snowballs, but that makes more. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you do snowballs too, Okay, Yeah, it's like it's a
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  Speaker 2: plastic duck shaped that.
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  Speaker 1: It is actually really cool.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I like that. What are the things that
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  Speaker 2: they use the gynecologists called, because now I want that word,
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  Speaker 2: and I've been sitting here the whole time.
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  Speaker 1: I just don't ask me.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, you're the closest thing we have. Yeah, honestly, you're
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  Speaker 2: the most qualified in this.
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  Speaker 1: It's been inside of me. But I don't know what
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  Speaker 1: it's called.
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  Speaker 2: Story for autobiography, four sets.
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  Speaker 1: That's how they pull baby, it's all.
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  Speaker 2: The same monkey wrench. What it is just all? I
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  Speaker 2: think it's called the bellows. Actually, that's how they check.
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  Speaker 1: Hell.
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  Speaker 2: You know. Bellows were admitted to deal with women who
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  Speaker 2: got the crazy. Hello, everybody, miss we're all back in town.
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  Speaker 2: Don't any of your body parts with the bellows. It's
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  Speaker 2: very dangerous. Yeah, really don't do that. That's it's very dangerous.
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  Speaker 2: Don't do it. If you we are a serious show.
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  Speaker 2: One of us is a doctor. He got it. I'm
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  Speaker 2: kidding it precisely that you think, well, we've got a
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  Speaker 2: great show for you today. I want to remind you
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  Speaker 2: go to patreon dot com slash therapy and you can
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  Speaker 2: we had tech errors in the beginning and it's going
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  Speaker 2: to be a pain.
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  Speaker 1: Five going to be obsessed with that tecade.
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  Speaker 2: So hard to line us up. You sink it up
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  Speaker 2: from the end. Even when I sink it up, it
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  Speaker 2: doesn't perfectly sink because I'm always off because I'm gonna
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  Speaker 2: tell you where the where the break is and the thing,
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  Speaker 2: and then you're going to sink the other side up
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  Speaker 2: from the end and you're gonna be fine. It'll be
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  Speaker 2: fine anyway. Patroon dot com slash therapy. I listen for
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  Speaker 2: free when you could pay. Ye good point, and thank
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  Speaker 2: you for bearing us for the month of June episodes.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody is very nice about it, Thank you. They always.
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  Speaker 2: I never am mad when a podcast does kind of
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  Speaker 2: like a different style episode for a for a short
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  Speaker 2: period of time. It's always like a nice little refresher,
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  Speaker 2: all right. It's very self serving of me currently, genuinely
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  Speaker 2: like that. How do you feel about There's two kinds
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  Speaker 2: of things I see on summer breaks from my favorite podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Either they do the rewatch where they go, hey, we're
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  Speaker 2: gonna re air that. I don't like that either. It's
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  Speaker 2: all especially like ice Cream Social pod Therapy. Most of
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  Speaker 2: the shows that I listen to, the episodes are there
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  Speaker 2: if you want to go back and listen to listen
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  Speaker 2: to it. Yeah. So sometimes they'll do the throwback. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I don't like to throw back because it just fucks
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  Speaker 2: up my there's three styles. It sucks up my podcast feed. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and then it's just like now there's two of this
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  Speaker 2: one in the exact archive. I don't like that. The
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  Speaker 2: other one I'll here is the clip show where they're
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  Speaker 2: like they get their producers to go ahead and clip
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  Speaker 2: together like our best answers relationship, Yeah, greatest hits on relationship. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, we've never been able to do this.
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  Speaker 2: The other one is the feed drop where they'll go, hey,
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  Speaker 2: we're out of town, but you've probably never heard of
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  Speaker 2: our friends. This is our friends Mike and Mike's podcast
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  Speaker 2: Don't Need Out. Yeah again again the only friends we have.
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  Speaker 2: One third of them is already on this show. I
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  Speaker 2: don't really have these options, but yeah, how do you
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  Speaker 2: feel about the other two? What about the feed Dropp
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  Speaker 2: does that annoy the feed drop? I always like the
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  Speaker 2: feed drop, but I don't like it as a replacement.
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  Speaker 2: I need you, I need the host. I expect to
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  Speaker 2: hear because you introduced the feed drop, you're saying just
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  Speaker 2: the recommendation, like a show is recommendation, Like you're another show. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: Like I do that all the time. Which if I
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  Speaker 2: listen to a show, like if I if I listen
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  Speaker 2: to a therapy show, if I listened to a mental
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  Speaker 2: health focused show and really enjoyed it, I would come
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  Speaker 2: on this show and talk about it. Yeah, Like it's
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  Speaker 2: not a replacement for something, it's just a normal part
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  Speaker 2: of life that we're going to focus from. Social started
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  Speaker 2: off an episode and said, hey, we're all out of town,
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  Speaker 2: but our friends Great Night had a great episode this week.
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  Speaker 2: We loved it, and we're or we're gonna rea play
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  Speaker 2: an episode from their show that we were on that
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  Speaker 2: you didn't hear in our main feed ever. That's all
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  Speaker 2: you got, that's all you got. It's something, but it's
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  Speaker 2: not I'll never see what we did though the abbreviated
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  Speaker 2: show And thank you listeners, because everybody in the discord
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  Speaker 2: was super sweet about it, like Great go have a vacation.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for doing something. Appreciate the quick you know, hurry
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  Speaker 2: up show. Fine, something got done. So yeah, good for
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  Speaker 2: us team. We did it. We didn't have to sleep.
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  Speaker 2: This awesome saying it's a short all right. Yeah, man,
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  Speaker 2: so does that less death. I think our credit scords
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  Speaker 2: went up. Cool. I was hoping they get carried away
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  Speaker 2: and give them to us. You are the cost because
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  Speaker 2: it matters, I pointed very strategically. It's Nick and the
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  Speaker 2: dogs and we can afford those anyway. Welcome back, everybody.
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  Speaker 2: We've got some great questions for today's show as we
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  Speaker 2: get deeper into the summertime, and we're starting off the
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  Speaker 2: order with a letter from longtime supporter titled beef with
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  Speaker 2: a podcast year mister Jim, doctor Nick, doctor Whitney, oh yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and doctor Jacob. But the fin what beef is there?
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  Speaker 2: It is I have had experience, I know beef like
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  Speaker 2: I need some advice and am flexing my therap producer
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  Speaker 2: status to jump to the front of the queue, which
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  Speaker 2: you can come on patroon dot com slash therapy. If
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  Speaker 2: you're a therap producer, you never wait in line. It's
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  Speaker 2: literally the only good reason to be a therap producer.
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  Speaker 2: There's so many reasons, Jacob, I have been a longtime
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  Speaker 2: listener and supporter of an unnamed podcast. Recently, the hosts
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  Speaker 2: have been traveling and their recording schedule has been in disarray. Wow, huh,
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  Speaker 2: must be rough. That's weird. Nevertheless, they have managed to
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  Speaker 2: drop a new episode each week. As fellow podcasters, I
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  Speaker 2: am sure you can relate. I'm appreciative of their commitment
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  Speaker 2: to the podcast, and I'm sure that many other listeners
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  Speaker 2: are also appreciative. Nevertheless, I do have a personal situation.
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  Speaker 2: I need your help as both podcasters and mental health professionals.
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  Speaker 2: You see this podcast, or you see this podcast does
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  Speaker 2: many things to engage with its listeners. One of these
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  Speaker 2: activities is a fantasy football league.
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  Speaker 5: Guys, you think he's talking about us.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know a lot in common with this other
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  Speaker 2: podcast so far. It could also be ice cream social
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  Speaker 2: Oh that's true. You know what, Let's keep going until
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  Speaker 2: there's a definitive moment where we can tell the difference,
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  Speaker 2: because right now I think we're saving all right again.
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  Speaker 2: Shorter episodes lately Fantasy football league check check yep. Longtime supporter, Yeah, yep, possible,
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  Speaker 2: could really be anybody anybody's game at this point. Again,
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  Speaker 2: I'd be great night. Honestly, they're probably in the running here. Again,
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure that you can relate well. My issue is
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  Speaker 2: that in December I finally won the Fantasy Football League
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  Speaker 2: after several years of trying on the podcast. The host
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  Speaker 2: promised fabulous prizes for the champion. However, I've not yet
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  Speaker 2: received any prize. What the what is the acceptable waiting period?
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  Speaker 2: I was always told that you have one year to
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  Speaker 2: send a wedding gift. I recognize that these podcast hosts
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  Speaker 2: are quite busy. It is still only July. The draft
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  Speaker 2: of the twenty twenty six season is still two months away.
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  Speaker 2: So my question for you is should I email from
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  Speaker 2: the list wire about my prize or should I just
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  Speaker 2: quietly wait for my prize? Thanks Smitty Scoot the first
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  Speaker 2: and longest tenured therap producer asterisk. Even though others here
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  Speaker 2: have given more money to the podcast than I am
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  Speaker 2: no longer first on the their producer list. PS. Never mind,
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  Speaker 2: it's all good. I just received my invitation Nick's wedding.
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  Speaker 2: That is the best fantasy football championship of all time?
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  Speaker 3: What if he wins to oh? He gets to officiate.
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  Speaker 2: Checks out. If you get a turkey, you marry Nick.
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  Speaker 2: That's how Laura finally did it. I should be the prize,
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  Speaker 2: I think for fantasy football. I'm glad we got a
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  Speaker 2: fantasy football question. This doesn't come up enough. I in
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  Speaker 2: our league, in the league that I'm separately a part of,
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  Speaker 2: not part of this league, that I finally won my
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  Speaker 2: league of record, if you will, okay, that I've been
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  Speaker 2: a part of for god fifteen to sixteen years now,
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  Speaker 2: maybe you still haven't won it. Dude. It is my
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  Speaker 2: white whale. And we have a big obnoxious trophy that
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  Speaker 2: you get your name engraved on. Every person I've known
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  Speaker 2: it has this. Their name is all of the fucking trophy.
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  Speaker 2: I never win. I've come in second like three times.
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  Speaker 2: Never get close. I'm the only one on our trophy
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  Speaker 2: that has his name back to back on there. Oh shit,
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  Speaker 2: damn repeat. So this year trophy, Oh there you go.
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  Speaker 2: So in our league, you get crowned with your rewards
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  Speaker 2: at the next draft. That way everybody has to sit
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  Speaker 2: there and suffer and like take it in great. So
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  Speaker 2: that's when I won this last year. So I will
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  Speaker 2: be receiving the trophy. You also get a big obnoxious
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  Speaker 2: super Bowl. When you guys do all this in person, yes, yes, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and then we get cash, but that the commissioner venmos
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  Speaker 2: you your money ensure so that I like, I like
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  Speaker 2: giving the reward at the next draft. I don't know
• 10:20
  Speaker 2: what Chell's opinion is, but I think that that's what
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  Speaker 2: you're doing an in person thing. I like doing it
• 10:24
  Speaker 2: all in person. If you can do anything in person,
• 10:26
  Speaker 2: I'd say, do it in person. Yeah, we've done. Like
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  Speaker 2: we have a big my in my personal life. I
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  Speaker 2: have one big fantasy football league that I do still
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  Speaker 2: same big money as you. Yeah, it's it's got some
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  Speaker 2: real money in it, you know, like it it means
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  Speaker 2: something when you win. That's you've got. You've got a
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  Speaker 2: little little fold in cash. Are you guys up in
• 10:45
  Speaker 2: the ante this year? We're raising the stakes in our league.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody's got to buy. I think our old Biden was fifty.
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  Speaker 2: I think we're jump into a hondo, which is peanuts
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  Speaker 2: to you. Like your your league is like we're playing
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  Speaker 2: for livelihoods, but it's it's uh. We also have like
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  Speaker 2: we charge for the move and everything, so like if
• 11:02
  Speaker 2: you trade a player or pick up a player, that
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  Speaker 2: costs money during the season. We call them kiddie pumpers,
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  Speaker 2: oh man, because we want more money in the pot
• 11:09
  Speaker 2: we want we want the like it's fun. Yeah yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: but I like the I like that. But yeah, so
• 11:17
  Speaker 2: so pot therapy is in my shirt. Huh. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Is it us or you? And I don't know. I'm
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  Speaker 2: pretty sure this is us. But also I feel I.
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  Speaker 3: Kind of feel like the prize, like the responsibility for
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  Speaker 3: the prizes should fall on the commission is the commissioner?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, what the Smitty, what are you doing? You're the boss,
• 11:38
  Speaker 2: Smitty by yourself a T shirt. I'm only co commissioner,
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  Speaker 2: so I could abuse the powers. Like nobody in this
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  Speaker 2: league expects that I'm actually doing anything of responsibility. I
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  Speaker 2: just manipulate people's line. Smitty.
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  Speaker 3: Let me know your T shirt size. I'll see I
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  Speaker 3: can get you something.
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  Speaker 2: From we only have extra small children's I'll get you
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  Speaker 2: something from hobocon. Oh that's a good prize. That would
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  Speaker 2: be an amazing prize, one that I don't we should
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  Speaker 2: actually we should just Oh, I'll call my sister. I'll
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  Speaker 2: have her just this year. Buy us all merch from
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  Speaker 2: hobo con. Yeah, and then that'll be our our We
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  Speaker 2: ought to just like send your sister like five hundred dollars. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: just go buy us, buy us some don't tell us
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  Speaker 2: what you buy. Just go. There's an extra hundred for
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  Speaker 2: shipping and handling. Send us, put it in the body.
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  Speaker 3: If she were smart, what she would do is she'd
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  Speaker 3: buy it all, then come down to scoop fast and
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  Speaker 3: then sell it would.
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  Speaker 2: Cross Honestly, I must.
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  Speaker 1: Shirt.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I mean I'm picturing like when I was a kid,
• 12:51
  Speaker 2: we had the prison rodeo. Wouldn't woun't the Angola prison rodeo?
• 12:58
  Speaker 2: About the penitential a rodeo. I have a comment about rodeos,
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  Speaker 2: and we called it the farm. Remind me this is
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  Speaker 2: the farm. To go down to the farm. Yeah, but
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  Speaker 2: they have the prison rodeo and one of the things
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  Speaker 2: and it was just what it sounds like. It was
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  Speaker 2: prisoners doing a rodeo. Oh my god, eight seconds for
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  Speaker 2: eight years, right, we'll knock off.
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  Speaker 3: It's just knock off one year for every they're getting trampled.
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  Speaker 2: They just never letting it go. I'll take the chair.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but before you get into the rodeo, they've
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  Speaker 2: got prisoners outside who who aren't in the rodeo, but
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  Speaker 2: they're doing like no, they're they're selling things. They've made things,
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  Speaker 2: and they're selling this. I sell the ship they make
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  Speaker 2: in prison. Prison. It wasn't you're laughing about them and
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  Speaker 2: on it. You're laughing about it as though that isn't
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  Speaker 2: exactly right out of a prison. It wasn't Shanks.
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  Speaker 1: Recipes.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't shanks, but it was that they had like
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  Speaker 2: made they had crafted them in their cells or in
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  Speaker 2: like drafting area, right, and you know, and then sell
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  Speaker 2: them for like it'd be like a dollar, fifty cents
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  Speaker 2: a dollar, it'd be something like that, and on their books. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it was just something to go on to their comments.
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  Speaker 1: Here, okay, yeah, and then.
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  Speaker 2: Sell like like if one of the if one of
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  Speaker 2: the people came out and we're selling a lot, you know,
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  Speaker 2: they might make like twenty dollars in the day. So
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  Speaker 2: like nobody's nobody's getting rich. Yeah, there's also not like
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  Speaker 2: thousands of people at this thing. There are like three
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  Speaker 2: hundred people at this thing. Tote Oh man, I love
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  Speaker 2: the idea of a prison road, but like the merch
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  Speaker 2: at the at the at the prison rodeo, that's what
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  Speaker 2: I'm picturing the merch at hobo con. Yeah. Probably, I'm
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  Speaker 2: a lot of hand crafted things.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, prison shanks are fine, but hobo shanks.
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  Speaker 2: It's like a prison shank, but it has a little
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  Speaker 2: bindal hanging from it. Yeah, imagine the prisoner having all
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  Speaker 2: the time in the world and unlimited resources and he
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: doesn't have to hide anything from the cops. That's a
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: hobo shank. It's just episode time hobo shank. That probably
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  Speaker 2: should be like Jim has an over estimation of how
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: many resources hobos have, you know, they carry things. That's
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: I don't know. So in the Patreon I told the
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: story of visiting Yellowstone and for our day out. When
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: you're at the summer camp on Wednesday, it's like leave
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: the camp day, like you can go do something else.
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: And the nearest town is Cody, Wyoming. Okay, so we
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  Speaker 2: went to Cody, Wyoming and we went to the Buffalo
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  Speaker 2: Bill Museum, which actually kicks ass.
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  Speaker 1: Like it was like sis was born in Cody.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, is that why his name is Cody? That's pretty cool.
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  Speaker 2: I mean it's Buffalo Bill Cody, right, But I did.
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  Speaker 3: I saw Bill's last Day Whitney Trivia this week was
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  Speaker 3: his sister wise.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I would erect it, buddy, I would. My fun fact,
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  Speaker 2: I met him. I met Cody from I saw him
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  Speaker 2: at town Square with his hot wife. Oh yeah, Robin, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: the good wife, the show wife, if you will. That
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  Speaker 2: was the one who gets to go out to eat.
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  Speaker 2: The other ones are left at home.
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  Speaker 1: I thought, I was why didn't you and I have
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  Speaker 1: so many overlocks.
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  Speaker 2: You know exactly what I'm talking about, Robin. It says
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  Speaker 2: more about you, Whitney.
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  Speaker 4: I know.
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  Speaker 2: That's why I bothered the same person. So I went
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  Speaker 2: to Cody and we did the museum. It was really cool.
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  Speaker 2: It's really really fun. There's a huge firearms museum there
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  Speaker 2: and this it was amazing. It's like every gun from
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  Speaker 2: every era. It was incredible. But the end of the night,
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  Speaker 2: you went to the Cody Rodeo. Yes, international listeners, that's
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  Speaker 2: what all of our museums are, guns, a lot of guns.
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  Speaker 2: It's what all of our museums are here.
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  Speaker 1: We want people go to.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was pretty, but we went to the Cody
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  Speaker 2: Rodeo or the Codeo, if you will. Apparently a big
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  Speaker 2: fucking deal like Cody, Wyoming is like very aggressively like
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  Speaker 2: we are the world headquarters of rodeos. This is what
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  Speaker 2: we do. They do them every night throughout the entire summer.
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: It doesn't even get dark there until ten o'clock at night.
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: So like the thing starts at like eight thirty. And
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: they have like the mechanical bowl and stuff. So kids
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: are out there getting absolutely fucked up by this mechanical bull.
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: One girl broke her fucking hand like on the mechanical bowl.
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, but what was she wearing, Yeah, Eurotic a
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: scout uniform, one of those patent leather but you know what,
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: I'll bet she got back on it though, Yes, Scouts
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: don't quit. But uh so, the Cody Rodeo is the
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: most Christian thing I've ever been to, and I went
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: to Liberty University twenty sure is the most Christian I've
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: i was under. I'm not even We spent ten minutes
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: before the show in prayer. Also, let's not forget in
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: the showed up on a fucking horse and asation riding
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: like a skateboard. He's surfing it. He was surfing the horse.
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: You know, he's great at the bronco because he could
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: he passes the reins through the hole in his.
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: He cannot be have to hold it.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: You think you can walk on water. You see bucking
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: Broncos the lemonade, He's got it. I need this rodeo
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: skill like I need a couple of holes in my hands.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: It was the most Christian thing I've ever seen. And
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: any rider who was getting up, if that person attends church,
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: the MC would let you know. He'd be like, the
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: next rider is a guy from you know, Colorado goes Yeah,
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: they're calling out their name checking churches.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: Incredible.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was incredible. The amount of discussion of religion
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: as the rodeo events so much Jesus, there was a
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: lot of Jesus. Well Brish starts to show Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: go back to that. Yeah, I don't know, write somebody
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: about your shirts in the mail. I guess that's where
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: we're going. Shirt Anyway, we're gonna take quick break and
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: when we come back, we're talking about normal adjustments. We've
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: got a gambling addiction on that versus not a good fit?
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: Oh is that the one? Yeah? Get never mind? All right, Yeah,
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: that's fine, Fine, we're talking about beef of the podcast. No,
• 19:41
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  Speaker 2: Jesus final answer.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: Zero, Jacob.
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: Let's start with you, Jesus. Which event happened first? Got
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: it in the beginning?
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: The fall of Constantinople. Okay, I used to be called
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: this boom.
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: Signing of the Magna carta boom boom first voyage or
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: Martin Luther's nine ninety five deces.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: Martin Luther first, or I have to put him in order, okay?
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: Or Constantinople. Let's see, Constantinople is later than everybody thinks.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: I think it is. It feels like it wants to
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: be first. Constantinople. It's it's one of those weird facts.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: It's like the Holy Roman Empire ended after the founding
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: of like the first pizza hut or something like that.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: It's it's one of the it's not that, but it's
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: some Yeah, it's some weird later than you think it is. Yeah,
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: like the Holy Roman Empire was round. I'm just curious.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: What year do you think. I think it's nineteen hundreds
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: of Constantinople. No, oh wait wait wait, no, I'm conflating
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: two different things. Yes, I'm thinking of Constantine Empire. Pro yes, yeah,
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: Constantinople is No, it's still nineteen hundreds. No, it's not,
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: it's not. That is ridiculous. Listen to yourself. I don't
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: know fall of Constantinople the end of the Byzantine Empire. Man,
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: that is not reason. I mean it's probably obscurely, weirdly,
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: not as far one hundreds can be over one hundred
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: years ago, though, Jacob, I think it's early nineteen hundreds. Jymp,
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: you you're making no sense. You're talking in tongues. MagnaCarta
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: would be. I mean that's pretty deep history too. Yeah,
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: that's that's back. What's that seventeen hundreds? Columbus has gotta
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: be the most recent one of this batch, right, No,
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: Columbus is fourteen Magna carta has got to be before Columbus.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: Magne carta is like.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: Columbus Magna carta.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: Okay, before you give your answer, I mean you Western,
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: Do you actually know the order? Yeah? All right, just
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: for the record, time is doing so deep into this
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: the order. And if I get the order, I can
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: have a point on it. Yeah, I'll give you half
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: a pint. Side hustle, I'll take that half a point.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: Give me. Okay, we got magna carta, we got Constantinople,
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: we got Columbus.
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: And what was the last one, five ninety five, Martin Luther?
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: Give me Constantinople Magna carta, Martin Luther, Columbus, No, fuh way.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: I think I think I only screwed up the last two.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: I think it's I think Martin Luther is the most recent.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: But we need we need first, right first. That's all.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: That's all we care about. I'll say, magnakarta, correct, nice, Magna.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: Carta twelve fifteen, fall of Constantinople fourteen fifty three.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: All right, later than you think, there you go, But
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: not pizza hut. Okay, you don't know pizza. Well, all
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: of that. What we were talking about, the Charter of pizza. Hut,
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: I wasn't doing You're right? Also in Christian history, why not? Also? Yeah,
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: the six thousand years old? All right, God made the
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: dinosaur bones look old?
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: Okay, do anything?
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: Don't you believe?
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: Which occurred last? The American Civil War, the Franco Prussian War,
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: the Crimean War, or the Meiji Restoration?
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: Can you say them all again?
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: American Civil War, Franco Prussian War, Crimean War, Crimean or
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: the Meiji Restoration.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: That's now.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: I don't know what that last thing is.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: It's not and war right now, Jim, Oh, that's the
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: crime There is a Crimean war.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: War is the most recent thing to happen.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: Yes, most recent? No, give me Franco Prussian. Yeah you
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: whitney in your face full point for Jim, what decade? Yeah,
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: I don't have a clue. What century? I just literally
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: guessed you have no idea.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: I was like, actually that one sounds familiar. I was
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: like the other ones.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: Franco Prussian is like World War one, oh earlier. The
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: Archduke of Ferdinand of Prussia. But he was the arch
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: Duke of Prussia. I believe Archduke Ferdinand he was from
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: one of the Axis countries. Man, he was, is it
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: not Bosnian Austria, It's from Austria or the other one,
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: Hungary eighteen seventy to eight yea might be Austria Hungry. Actually,
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: I think it.
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: Is eighteen seventy to eighteen seventy one. Example was all right, Jim,
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: put these in chronological order.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: Fuck you, man, they just had to pick one.
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: The French Revolution, Russian Revolution, Glorious Revolution.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: Oh, come the fuck on, where's glorious?
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: The Glorious Revolution was a political upheaval from blank until
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: blank in England that removed King James the Second and
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: replaced him with William the Third.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: Or William of Orange. Oh my god, and marry the second. Okay,
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: so I've got American Revolution, I've got Russian Revolution, I've
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: got the Glorious England thing, and the French Revolution. Fuck me,
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: all right. The French Revolution comes after the American Revolution.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: The Russian Revolution is gonna be after the French Revolution,
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: and the king shit has to be before America. So
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: give me glorious America, French Russia. Yeah you America? Now
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: what now? Can them on a map? On a map,
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: I'll show you where glorious is on a map. I'll
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: take you there. Jim can take you glorious. This is
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: the problem with Jim going out with kids for a
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: couple of weeks is Jim comes back and thinks he
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: knows ship. I know because he's been around people that
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: he knows ship. He knows more ship than like a
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: fifth grader. We played car trivia and I fucked those
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: kids up. Yeah you did, because you're a grown ass adult.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: You've been around for lifetimes longer than those kids are.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: Like automobile No, no, no, it was like trivia that
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: you listened to in a car cards. A lot of
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: them were Disney heavy, and I cashed. All right, this
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: is making It was like naming Disney princesses like crazy.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: This is like Jim is so bad at this trivia indeed,
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: fucker yes, get today, shut up? Yeah, yeah right now,
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: that's what we're Yeah, that's what this is. This isn't
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: recognizing that you're coming back with a head that needs shrinking. Son,
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: You've been smarter than fifth graders for two weeks. Hey,
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: they read on a sixth grade level. Good for fucking them.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: I'll have you know what level do you read on? Well,
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: I've got two points, so I don't need to know
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: that answer. Anyway, I'm in the lead. Here we go.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: Oh is there another one? No? Okay, you do the
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: gambling one or are you going to.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: Do the gambling addiction.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: I'm going to stick to the script.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: You couldn't read the script, but I can get the
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: trivia right.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: All right, Here we go, gambling addiction. What are your
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: thoughts on the college football Soresby situation and the broader
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: question of using, in this case, gambling addiction as a
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: get out of jail free card. Just saying I'm going
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: to go to therapy for gambling addiction for thirty days,
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: so therefore I should have zero consequences in my life,
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: treating therapy as a joke. Thanks Pilot, Scoop Jacob, if
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: you want to give hims a rundown the Soresby situation,
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: my understanding of it, Texas Tech quarterback wants to uh,
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: got in trouble. He's currently in college, got in some
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: trouble with some gambling stuff. Clearly bookies, Yeah, I got caught.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: I don't know if he owes money to people or
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: if he just got caught gambling.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: Or at least forty wagers on his own team and
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: wagering ninety thousand dollars.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: That's what his team to win. That's what I was
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: getting to is he bet on his team. It doesn't
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: matter if you're betting on your team to win or lose,
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: you can affect the outcome. Yeah, that's true, Like it
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: doesn't matter which direction your better. People always use people
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: always use that excuse, like the Black Sox thing. I mean,
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: this is an old this is a very old example.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: But like Shoeless, Shoeless Joe always gets credit partially just
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: because his character is very nice. In the movie Field
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: of Dreams, it's Kevin Costner that's a big part of it,
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: but also played by ray Liota. Yeah, and he's played
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: by Rayleiota. Excellent movie. It's a win.
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah they ever if I have, if I ever make
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: a pot therapy movie.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: If you're played by radio and you know what you're doing,
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: all right?
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And you can bring Rayota back to he's the
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: guy from Goodfellas.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: Guy. But he petitioned the NFL and then I think
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: eventually tried to like take I don't think he quite
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: sued the NFL, but I think he like took some
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: kind of legal actions and tried to get the NFL,
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: the NCAA, No, the NFL, Texas Tech. Just the guy,
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: just this guy. We're only talking about this guy. We're
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: not he goes to Texas Tech. We're not talking about
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: Texas Tech. Oh, we're just talking about him. He tried
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: to petition the NFL to have a supplemental draft immediately
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: to basically let him get out of Texas Tech and
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: into the NFL because his problems that he's having as
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: a result of these gambling things are all college based.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: So if he's no longer in college, all of these
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: problems go away for him immediately. Fascinating. Note, It's really
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: not a lot going on, and it pisses me off
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: that it's that it's the story that it is. Yes, writer,
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: you're entirely right. He is absolutely trying to use gambling addiction.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: Whether he suffers from gambling gambling addiction or not, he
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: is trying to use it. As they get out of
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: jail free car. He is certainly doing that. Now, I
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: have no idea of this, and he might be the
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: most troubled person on the planet. I have no idea,
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: I have no way of knowing that, and I kind
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: of just don't give a shit because the and I
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: don't give a shit because of him. I give a
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: shit because of the system that he is in here.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: The college football system is fucked, it's broken, it's fucked.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: I don't care about them having a problem with anything.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: I don't care about them having a problem with one
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: of their players gambling. I don't give a shit. These
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: are just old white dudes making trillions of dollars literally
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: over the course of decades off of young, mostly minority
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: people busting their asses, getting concussions, shortening their lives and
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: having terrible lives going forward after all these injuries stuff.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: Some of them play pro ball, some of them have
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: great careers and all this other stuff. Not you know,
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: there's there's not a ton of victims here or anything.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: But like, if the NC double A has a problem
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: with one of their players, I don't give a shitka,
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: I don't give half a shit. And if he finds
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: a legal way to get out of it and doesn't
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: have to do anything, because it's all all of the
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: repercussions with the NC double A are about whether or
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: not he's going to be able to or and whether
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: or not and where he's going to get drafted into
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: the NFL. Okay, because the draft position directly like the
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: first the first pick overall, and the second pickoverall. It's
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: not a huge money gap, but it's a money gap.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: But like the first picked down to the fifth, there's
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: mandatory minimum. That's how much it can be paid. That's it.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: So like dropping down in those spots that really changes
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: how much money comes in. Like it changes a lot
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: of things on this so honestly, like people are and
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: not just you writer, this is this is the way
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: it is being painted. I think across all of news
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: it is being painted as a moral issue for this kid. Okay,
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: yeah it's not. It is an ethical issue for the
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: entire organization writ large that he is trying to get
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: out of. Now, he's not a victim in this either.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: He hadn't done anything right. Fuck this kid too. I
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: won't give it. I don't give a shit about this kid.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: But like the NCAA bitching about him gambling and gambling
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: on because like it's we were talking about the fireworks
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: in the Las Vegas Valley before we got on the
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: show today. It is uh, you know, I used to
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: make jokes about the Vegas Valley turning into the Middle
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: East during the fourth of July this year. It's a
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: little less than the Middle East, but it's still a
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: measurable lines Ukraine, it's a measurable percentage of the ordinance
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: going off in other places that's set off here that night.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: The Las Vegas police could stop it. It take a
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: single holiday, and it would take just driving around like, hey,
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: we just saw you shoot that fire fire work up,
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: here's a thousand dollars ticket, Like, we can stop that tomorrow.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: They've decided not to. It's a problem you have allowed
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: to exist, that is it. The NC double A dealing
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: with gambling, dealing with their players getting paid under the
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: table for a long time now, dealing with their players
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: getting paid above the table, all of these things, and
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: like you're advertising gambling websites, fucking the games in the
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: stadium on college campuses. But on campus you have ads
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: for gambling on campus and on the and on the
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: on the television network, which of course the school is
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: making money from because they have a TV deal. Yea,
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: they get AD revenue. They get AD revenue from the
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: TV stuff. So they are directly being paid by you know,
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: the sports book, the online sports gamblers, you know, not
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: directly being paid. That's not the right word. But they
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: are making money. They're making money from those guys is
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: they're buying ads on these college football games. So like, yeah,
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: the Texas Tech quarterback trying to get out of that
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: system because he's an idiot and and did some stupid
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: shit and whatever, and like maybe he cheated, maybe he didn't.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: Maybe he was cooking books for somebody else, Maybe he wasn't.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: Maybe he was just a kid putting these bets down.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: All right, kind of all of that, Like, all right,
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: he's he's gonna play in the NFL, he's gonna get
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: picked up by somebody, he's gonna make some money. He's
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: probably gonna be fine. But talk about the the We've
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: talked a little bit about like weaponization of mental health
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: terms in the past, outside of this weird sports thing
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: that I don't have to rant on anymore. I think
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: Jacob covered the sports. Yeah, I think we've got that.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: So gambling addiction being treated differently. This is something I
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: think in the addiction industry I'm wrestling with and I
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: really find myself having a hard time with it. Oh,
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: I don't guess I articulated well, but he is trying
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: to like use the gambling. He's trying to say, I
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: have a gambling addiction to basically win points, yeah, with
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: the with the public simply sympathy points exactly. And they
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: tried to consequences too. And this is something that I
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: think I've struggled, or at least he's being accused of
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: doing that. Maybe isn't Maybe gambling addiction has always existed
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: and and like is definitely a pathology, but it's really
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: starting to break into the national scene because of the
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: advent of all these different companies that now nationalize gambling.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: It's all online. Everything says like fifty states now fifty
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: states have access to sports gambling. He used to be
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: very can find there was only a couple of states,
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: Nevada being one of them. And we never, I thought,
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: took gambling addictions seriously enough, but we saw it for
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: the blight that it was. It was baked into the
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: way we have an economy, so we somewhat took it seriously.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: And it was always at least around like if you
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: go to an ATM and a casino, we see the pamphlets, stops,
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: there's not there's not much, but there's something. There was
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: some kind of reasons, and it's and it's visible, and
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: a lot of the casinos in Nevada would like contribute
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: to some charities that did some good work. Never enough.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: But like here's where I get twisted, And Nick, I'm
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: really curious how you feel about this too. You've done
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: a lot more work with gambling directly than I have.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: So with drug and alcohol addiction, we as addictions counselors
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: often talk about the disease of it, right, and we
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: talk about we still want our patients to face consequences.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: We talked about them not being responsible for having the disease,
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: but being responsible for their recovery right and there they
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: still have to face the wreckage of their past, make amends,
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: clean up the mess. So we've always supported that, but
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: we're usually out there in the public talking about how
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: this is a real disease. It does require sympathy and
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: understanding from society. And again that doesn't mean the guy
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: who gets the duy it doesn't like get any consequences.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: But we do advocate for changing the consequences. Sometimes we
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: advocate for specialty courts.
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: That's exactly what I was going to go into. Is
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: like this to me, sounds like kind of the frustration
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: that sometimes people have with drug courts. Or now in Nevada,
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: we've got a gambling court.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: Do we really? So we have there, we got a
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: problem with gambling court. Oh what is what is that about?
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: What?
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: Basically in that court it follows the drug court model.
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: So for those not familiar with it.
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: In the United States, we've got this thing that's basically
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: called a specialty.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: Court or drug court program. Where so if Jacob, if
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: you are arrested and your charges you're you're facing you know,
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: five years in prison, you have the option of going
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: into a drug court program. It's basically a diversion court.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: And is this something that the defendant the accused would
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: opt for or is this something that is like state mandated. No,
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: you have you as the defendant, have the option. So
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: this is going to serve out your sentence. So this
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: is not like a I was high at I was
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: how on the PCP right, and I drove a car
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: through a wall and the judges ordered me to pay
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: reparations to the owner of that wall, and I can
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: go to drug court and get out of paying reparations. No,
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: that's not what drug court is. Sentence awesome, it's.
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and tell us what so, tell us what they
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: So basically you can say I will serve out my sentence,
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: I'll go to prison for five years, or you can
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: have the opportunity to go into a specialty court a
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: drug court program. Okay, And with that program, then you
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: have there's a lot of things that you have to do,
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: a lot of requirements. So you're going to go to
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: court pretty much every week. You're gonna have to, like
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: every Wednesday, you're gonna have to report to court.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: There's gonna be a fun courthouse to hang out in.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: I get to yeah, yeah, a lot of really smiley,
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: happy people coming through that building.
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: That was my job for the longest times. I would
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: go to drug court every Wednesday. Court coordinator and so
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: uh yeah, there's a court coordinator that's going to be involved.
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: The judge is a judge that has had special training
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: in like the field great drug and alcohol or in
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: this case, gambling. The there's you will be represented by
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: an attorney that works for the Drug Court program but
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: is your attorney, and then there's also a prosecuting attorney
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: that's part of the drug Court program. There's also treatment mandates,
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: so you may be mandated to treatment. You got to
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: so you have to, Okay, you have to comply.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: You'll complete it, right because like you wouldn't voluntarily do it.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: But now there's a judge staring at you. Go in,
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: I got ten years if you don't say nice. And
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: every Wednesday judge, every yeah, therapist all the time like
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: they're having to do treatment.
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: So this was this was my job when I worked
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: at the treatment program at the women's facility, and every
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: Wednesday I would take our clients to drug Court and
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: we would have to sit there and they would uh.
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: There was always a meeting ahead of time with everybody
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: who's on the drug court team. They would all meet,
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: they would staff every one of the cases, talk about
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: who's doing what, and then every one of the clients
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: would have to go in front of the judge and
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: have to be able to explain here the things that
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: I'm doing, these are the you know, or if I
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: had some struggle struggles this week, this happened.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: So it's less it's less like court court and more
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: like a forced adoration to to a program someone. However,
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: it still has the ability. Yeah, it's still it's holding
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: hands with the legal system for sure, like it's part
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: of the legal system, but they're not determining. But yeah,
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: they're not determining like how many years you're going to
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: spend in jail. It's like, we got ten years to
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: work with. So here's what happened, Like we might be
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: able to shave some all right, so here's what happens.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: You can successfully complete the drug court program and then
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: it'll be a what do they deferred sentence or whatever,
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: so you don't have to save about that time. Okay, Right, However,
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: at any moment, if you have a bad week and
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: let's say you missed some sessions or you didn't show
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: up for your your drug screen, yeah, then the judge says, okay,
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: we're taking you, and they take you from court that
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: you have to do every week. Yeah yeah, and you know,
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: they're all terrified. It's like, hey, bring it back, yeah,
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: because they just yeah.
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: Because there's a lot of times where I would take
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: my clients there and they're just like, I don't know
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: if I'm coming back. Yeah, you know, like I could
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: be reprimanded and that could be just for two weeks
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: or a week or something like that. And then and
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: then you're sometimes you're sent back into the treatment program.
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: You have to start from the beginning to work your way.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: So to tie this back into the question, this is
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: where this is fascinating, right, And this is what I
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: was talking about just as you were getting up, is
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: that when it comes to drug and alcohol, a lot
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: of our work has been advocacy to like pity the
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: person a little bit sure, like we want them to
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: face their consequences, but we advocate for things like drug
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: court and alcohol court, like we want to see them
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: get better and we want to see it as a disease. Right.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: Gambling is tricky, and I remember I went to this
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: legal CEU that they were doing, where this lawyer explained
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: that he was a practicing lawyer, he developed a gambling addiction.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: He used all the money that he had. Then he
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: started stealing his clients' money and gambling that which is
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: all the felonies, right, And so he success he got caught.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: He had racked up like a million dollars of debt.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: He had defrauded his firm, he had taken out credit
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: against the firm. He had defrauded all of his clients,
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: who are just people hiring a lawyer and he's taking
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: all their money, not doing anything, gambling it all away.
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: He finally gets caught, they all, you know, have Reasonable
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: Beef with him. They want him disbarred, they want him
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: to face charges. Reasonable Beef is a really good band name.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: Oh that'd be a solid Okay, a first album, another
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: first album, give it up, Reasonable be So this guy
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: was teaching this workshop and he was very proudly explaining
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: to us, which really rubbed me the wrong way. He
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: was very proudly explaining to us that gambling is a disease,
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: like gambling addictions. And I'm like, yeah, I agree with you.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: And he's talking about how he represented himself against being
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: disbarred and against all the charges. He got them all
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: dropped and he's still a practicing attorney because he convinced
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: everybody gambling addiction is a real disease. Here's the DSM. Oh,
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: here's the asam. You've got to treat me like a
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: diseased person. Everything I did was in service of my disease,
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: and therefore I should be given the opportunity to receive
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: treatment and be restored. So he was proudly boasting about this,
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: and I remember feeling so torn because I was like,
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: you're kind of a douche. Yeah, Like I don't. I
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: think we should pity you, but you need to face consequences.
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: Do there are consequences. There's also restoration, so like I mean,
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: if you're working a twelve step program like GA, part
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: of that is making the situation right, yeah, you know,
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: and the drug court or actually say a problem gambling
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: court does a pretty good job with being able to
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: incorporate restoration.
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: Here's the thing I agree with him. I don't think
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: he did if now again I'm hearing him through you sure. Yeah,
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: so he may have not done a very good job
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: of expressing kind of what's happening here, but I kind
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: of agree with him on some pieces of that. Here's
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: the thing that's that's it becomes really easy to say,
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: like to dismiss it when you look at it through
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: the scope of drug and alcohol addiction, which most people do.
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: They are not the same, right there, they're they and
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: and this is a classic point case and point in
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: that he is allowed like he can get deeper into
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: debt than any drug or alcohol. Ever, I would think
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: so okay, because because you don't smell gambling on his breath,
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: he doesn't rot his teeth he doesn't. He can still
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: dress nice, he can do all of those things that
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: he can just walk into a bank and exact money.
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: And that is the most dangerous part of gambling addiction
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: is that it can run on forever, and it can
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: go way deeper than any drugger out doesn't stop when
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: you run out of monthy. Yeah, because because you can,
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: you can fake it much longer than someone who's got
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: a meth addiction.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: How do you feel, Also, you can just hit, you
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: can just keep doing it, Like if somebody has a
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: bad gambling addiction, did they just hit on a slot machine?
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: Or how do you feel? And this is above our
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: pay grade, but I'm just curious, if you've thought through
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: some of this stuff, how do you feel about somebody
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: using this as a defense to forgive debt? So they
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: take out credit cards and other people's names, so that's
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: and then or their own, and then they say, your honor,
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: I should be able allowed to discharge all this debt
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: because I had a brain disease. So somebody's eating it.
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: This is where, yeah, this is where it's very similar
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: to any kind of crime committed with drug and alcohol.
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: So like the drug court and problem gambling court are
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: very similar in this sense, because you could do the
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: same thing with uh, you know, your opiate addiction, right
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: where like, yeah, I stole from so and so to
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: get this money back or to get this money in
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: order to support my habit. It's the exact same thing,
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: you know, where it's like you yeah, sometimes there is
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: no restoration to that, like you you can't.
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: Or like does that turn civil where you know a
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: company can just file suit against him or does that
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: take it away there?
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: I don't know's I mean. This guy, this lawyer, was
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: talking about how his victims got no restoration, they got
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: no restitution, and then he did not face real consequences
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: because he was the victim of a brain disease.
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: So I mean, if he's saying that as in like, yeah,
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: this is great, I didn't have anything bad happen to me,
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: then yes, I don't. Then I don't understand what the
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: point of that. Yeah, that's why he was the talk.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: He was giving the talk to explain gambling addiction is
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: a real disease. I had it, I recovered from it,
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: and to and I think to explain the point to
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: other lawyers who were the primary audience. He was explaining
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: like as a practicing lawyer, here's how this disease managed.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: We're talking about. Yeah, anyway, I don't want to out start,
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: but yeah, like it was a really powerful thing. So like,
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: but this new world we live in where I'm I've
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: actually been thinking a lot lately about gambling addiction and
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: I really want to do a lot more advanced training
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: in it. I've been thinking of actually going for my
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: gambling counselor's license, and but it's just it's hard to
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: find places to train, to find supervision. It's just it's
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: an underrepresented discipline, absolutely, and I'm really proud of Nevada
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: that we're one of the only states that has it
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: as a very unique discipline unto itself with its own history.
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: And I think it's really important because I don't know
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: about y'all. But like most clinicians I know, even addiction specialists,
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: I don't know that we're always equipped to deal with gambling.
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: Like I've I've helped with gambling situations, but I think
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: more often than not, the person is a gambling addiction
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: and a coke addiction and an alcohol addiction, and if
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: I can help them start dealing with the one, it
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: affects the other. But like gambling is a beast onto
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: it is.
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: It is different, and that's one of I think one
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: of the biggest things that a lot of drug and
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: alcohol counselors get into a little bit of trouble thinking like, Okay,
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: well I've been doing drug and alcohol counseling for years.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: I can just treat gamble addictions addiction now. It sure
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: feels like a very different thing. It is different.
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: Yeaheah, It's got different components to it. There's there's different
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: things that you need to focus on. The family dynamic
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: is a lot different. Suicidality is much higher just because
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: you get into so much financial debt and gambling. Interesting, Yeah,
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: because I mean you think about it, like again, getting
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: into like I mean your family, Yeah, you're so far's
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: the whole financial Yes, that you got to be thinking like,
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: I seriously have no way out of this. Even if
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: I stop gambling right now and I get into recovery,
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: how do I ever financially recover?
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: They of gambling addiction is much higher, I believe many
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: other drug disorders. Like it's crazy, but you're absolutely because
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: of suicidality.
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So I mean it's there. It is frustrating that sense.
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: I mean, there is a big, a big push for
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: you know, making things right again. But at the end
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: of the day, like the crimes that you commit, the
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: financial crimes that you commit because of your your gambling addiction,
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: very similar to the crimes that you would commit in
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: your meth addiction. When it comes to a specialty court,
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: it's kind of the same thing where it's like, I mean,
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: because honestly, okay, what what would occur if there was
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: no problem gambling court? This person goes to prison, there's
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: still no restitution.
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: Right, nobody gets anything any right.
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: Like, so like when it comes to the specialty courts,
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: the diversion courts, the idea behind this is that like, Okay,
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: what happens to this person in the long run, and
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: how is society better in the long run?
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: If this person goes to prison for five years and
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: they come out a better criminal having gone to prison.
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: And we paid for them to go to exact college
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: for five years, versus they work in the community and
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: they make restitution payments right to us, the public and
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: to their victims, Like yeah, I'd rather that.
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, versus going to treatments and actually coming out a
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: better person, even if yeah, there's still no restitution.
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: It's tough. It's a fascinating new reality as gambling is proliferating,
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: especially sports gambling. But like online casinos now and like
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: all this stuff, it's a whole new world that I
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: feel like we and mental health are not equipped yet
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: to manage. And I think we are not yet seeing
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: the epidemiology of gambling addiction throughout society because we don't
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: have a way to study it yet. We can see
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: overdoses and ers suicides, we cannot directly tie to gambling debts.
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: You need economic factors to predict what's going on, and
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: that's really easy to conceal, and it's just it's a
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: really hard thing to try. There's not a spreadsheet showing you,
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: like how many foreclosures have happened in the last twenty
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: years because of gambling debts. Now, to their credit, some
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: of these companies are trying to be proactive with it.
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: They usually have safety committees, Especially a lot of these apps,
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: they have things where they're trying to notice if you
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: suddenly inject capital into your balance or like you have
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: weird like behaviors, they'll check. They'll pop up a message
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: and I'd be like, hey, we're putting you on ice
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: for a week, like you just need to think about it,
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: or like you have to prove that you've called this
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: number once to like see if there's help. But like,
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: have you actually talk to anyone that has seen these
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: pop ups? No, because I've been told that they do
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: these pop ups as well. Yeah, I've been told that
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: all these gambling companies have started doing these. Yeah, I've
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: heard that that's what they say. I guess, yeah, exactly
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: what we have. And I'm realizing right now that I've
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: never actually spoken to someone that has uh Whitney like
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: the company. No, it's it's through the it's through the
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: gambling company and the and the like you know, the
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: the sports betting company whatever. I don't want to name
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: any of them, but we all know a bunch of them,
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: lots of the show Caesars. Sure. Yeah, I mean like
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: they they say like, oh, we have like gambling addiction,
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: uh ai, you know, looking out for that type of behavior, giveaways,
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: that kind of thing, and they they have said I've
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: heard multiple people talk about how like oh they'll they
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: will uh you know, they'll cut them off for a
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: couple of weeks, they'll they'll give them, uh you know,
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: the burnout uh whatever. Uh. The thing that I have
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: heard about and the thing that I have been told
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: from people who do use these sites a lot more
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: than I do. And I've gotten it to some degree.
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: And I mean, I bet I on my sports betting site.
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: I bet I go through a thousand dollars a year
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: on that sports betting site. So I'm I'm a a
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: not even a guppy, you know, in in this in
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: this world. And I get little they'll they'll send me
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: little things like, hey, I had made a bet in
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: a while, Here's here's twenty bucks. Yes, here's twenty dollars
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: in in uh in in the credit Yes, and and
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: that number just gets bigger. So like my biggest deposits
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: into my account are like two hundred dollars. But it's
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: it's like linked to your banking account or to your PayPal,
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: or to a credit card, or to whatever dangerous and
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: like you could it's it's too easy. The only thing
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: that I can tell that, uh, people who are really worried,
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: I am in a negative mood today.
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you could tells mood today.
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: The only the only like actual thing that I can
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: tell in I've been in Vegas for almost twenty years now,
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: and the only thing that I can tell that casinos
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: have done through I believe being forced to. And i'd
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: say casinos this is I mean gaming manufacturing uh slop
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: stop machine manufacturers. Specifically, they have not allowed slot machine
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: manufacturers to put a credit card slot into the machine.
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: To bring this up.
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: They want to, they want too badly.
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: Of course they do.
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: Just at the airport. There is a girl trying to
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: do that at the airport slot machine, like do we
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: just put a card in there? I was like, I
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: have no idea.
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: I've never to use. I'll tell you right now. Nobody
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: wants to live in a world where there are slot
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: machines with credit card readers one because don't you don't
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: want a place where you can get where you have
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: free booze and unlimited access to all of your capital,
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: in a place that's designed to make you spend money
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: without thinking about it. So that for the listeners.
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: The reason why this is so important is because there
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: is a big uh inhibitory factor when you have to
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: get up from your seat to go physically retrieve money
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: to come back.
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: And put your hand that you and.
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: Just having that it's a cool off period and that's
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: why that's protected. And that's why this the manufacturers want
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: to get rid of. That is because like your audience
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: is right here, we have them captive. Why would we
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: want our audience to leave?
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: And most people's banks give a cap on how much
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: cash they're able to withdraw from an ATM in a
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: given twenty four hour period, so you might be able
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: to take out like five hundred bucks or whatever it is,
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: whatever your your limit is. What they want to do
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: with the with slot machines is set it up as
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: a purchase and not as an ATM withdrawal. Well, and
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: that's essentially what the gamble and then it's unlimited. Right
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: the gambling apps, there's all these ways to work it around.
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: My gambling my sports betting app is hooked up to
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: h yeah, it's hooked up like it is. It's to
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: my bank account through PayPal. Okay, But that means that
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: you can just keep hitting the button I can. I
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: can dump my bank account into my gambling app right now,
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: Like I can. I can do it, but I bet
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: I won't.
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: Even I have a different account dump it there.
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: So if I mean, like I'm able to, Like I
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: could just there's nothing keeping me from doing that.
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: If any of you are listening to this and this
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: is really interesting and you want to learn more about this,
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: I have an episode, a bonus episode that I did
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: with a friend of mine.
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: Doctor Rory Reid.
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and he's a professor out at u c
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: l A and just phenomenal with gambling addiction, one of
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: the leading researchers in gambling addiction. And that was a
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: great conversation. So please go check that out.
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: It's a good one. So Whitney, I'm curious obviously your
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: lived experience, right, you're married to a gambler, you know,
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: and you're a therapist, and so there's a back and
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: forth that I'm sure that this part of being married
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: to a therapist. Yeah, honestly, I don't know.
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: I doesn't have in the beginning to be like, well
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: you you're gambling, and Peter just gets soerked. He's like,
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: it's not gambling.
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, it's not gambling. You know you're going
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: to win.
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: He gets very offend of by poker being called gambs.
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, I didn't realize that.
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a it's a game with chance involved, got it?
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: So, Peter, I don't think you know the definition of
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: the word gambling. That's what I'm learning is a professional
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: spell gamer. I don't think we need to save Peter
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: as much as we need to purchase a dictionary for Peter.
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: Liberate Peter.
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: But yeah, he did the sports betting thing for a while.
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: He's taking a break right now from that to focus
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: on other things. But that is a crazy world. And yeah,
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: and typically I didn't realize this un till he started playing.
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: But if you win too much and it doesn't take
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: a whole lot, they will cut you off and just
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: not let you.
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, if you're too good at it, ye come
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: the fun and like, too good at it is.
• 57:38
  Speaker 4: Not not that it's not that good at it, it's
• 57:40
  Speaker 4: just a little good. Yeah, just one like And you're
• 57:43
  Speaker 4: a friend of mine who works in the in the
• 57:45
  Speaker 4: sports betting industry. I told him about like a couple
• 57:47
  Speaker 4: of wins I had back to back. He was like,
• 57:49
  Speaker 4: they might lose. He was like, they might slow you down.
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the limit how much you can bet and then
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: eventually just say, oh, we can't let you place that
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: bet when you go up to do it. Oh my god, yeah,
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: just to climb your service.
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: Or you're yeah, we're answering a brave new world gambling.
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: I did, I know, and I don't know. I still
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: try and convince Peter to come do a little gambling episode.
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: But I mean, I think this, honestly, I think that
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: would be great because when I had that conversation with
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: with Rory, I actually had Peter in mind when I
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: was asking him some questions and he.
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: Peter's a Patreon now you can go find that episode.
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: And he really validated some of my observations because here's
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: the thing, like the listeners don't know Peter.
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: I know Peter, and he's we didn't say it out loud.
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: Peter's a professional poker player, yes, for everybody who doesn't know.
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: And a lot of people have this belief that like, oh,
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: I'm going to go be a professional poker player, not
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: knowing that professional poker players are just a little bit different,
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: like they just like the ones who do it professionally.
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: Like he's very skilled and very i don't know the
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: right word, calculated, like keeping track of everything. And it's
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: like exactly exactly like when I think of when I
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: think of a professional poker player who's very skilled at
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: what they do. I think Excel spreadsheets, okay, you know,
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: because it's not like you just go there and you're
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: just like, I'm just gonna see what I do today.
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: No, it's like, no, I've got this much. This is
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: what I'm willing to do. And it's it's all very
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: image of the coked out guy at the table, you know,
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: turned up collar, because that's not the pro. The pro
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: is the guy two seats down that's taking that guy's money,
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: sitting there drinking, wearing sunglasses.
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: That's it.
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: And I actually asked Rory about that and he basically
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: said the same thing. He's like, oh yeah, people have
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: a completely because he knows a lot of professional poker
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: players too, and he's like, they're a different breed. They're
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: different than what you would typically see in a lot
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: of gambling behavior.
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: Like I love playing poker. I really enjoy playing poker.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: I don't know if any professional poker players that are
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: able to enjoy just sit and enjoy playing poker.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: It's hard.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: You can't do it.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: It's hard.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: And like the chess TV shows have become very popular
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: in the last few years with with the chess people,
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: you know, all the moves and studying things like poker
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: players like yeah, those types of games, Like.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: There's some overlaps, but those people aren't that different.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah that.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: And stuff like oh shit, okay.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah it's like white a circle, but it's it's an oval.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: I was just gonna say super quick though, like should
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: there be consequences for uh, poor behaviors, whether it's because
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: of an illness or not. We've talked about this with
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: you know, like ADHD and different things where there are
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: frustrating behaviors that happen and you might hurt others along
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: the way, but and there should be some some room
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: given to that. But it really, at the end of
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: the day, there's consequences to your actions. I think about
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: how many people try to like plead insanity, you know,
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: I watch true crime stuff, like everyone's trying to say that,
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: oh look, I was out of my mind or I
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: was you know this or that, or I was on
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: drugs and I went and killed somebody. They still serve
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: their time in jail, Like drug court doesn't take that away.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: You know, there's still consequences for your actions to an extent,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: like maybe that lawyer, maybe he didn't have to like
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: pay any restitution. I wonder how long until he could
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: get alone again from anyone, Like sure, you don't know
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: that he's not going to share that or whatever.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: That is something that a lot of people don't understand,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: the pleading insanity thing, Like if you're deemed incompetent to
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: stand trial, that doesn't mean you'd go home.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: That means you go into a psych hospital until you're
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: able to stand trial.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: Yes, and then get your trial done.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then get started.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, just delayed.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: It's it's just another process in the way of the
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: process that you still have to eventually go do. Yeah,
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: it's a it's a weird thing. Well, you know I relate.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: I mean I lost a doctorate, you know, dude, gambling
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: problem problem. I've gotten a lot better though. If held
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: on to my other two degrees, you know, and considered
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: double or nothing, I would have lost that bet. Yeah,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: so you know I relate to this, But no, it's
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: gonna be I think a whole bet. I'll get you
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: gambling again. I'll take that action anyway. We are going
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: to take a quick break and Jim, I've got a
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: Catholic medal that a yard worker left in the yard
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: the other day is a genuine I believe it's Saint
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: Benedict Prayer, Saint Benedict Prayer medal. I'll flip you for
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: your masters right now. Is there is there heads and
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: the tails? Yeah? Yeah, there's there's heads on that side
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: with Saint Benedict on there, and then there's like a
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: crossover pattern thing on the back here. I think that's
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: the the win. I get my doctorate back. No, if
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: you win, you get to keep your masters. I don't
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: like this. We're taking a quick break and when we
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: come back, we're talking about normal adjustment struggles versus just
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: not being a good fit. You're listening to pod Therapy.
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  Speaker 3: which of these happened first? All right, okay, you're gonna
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 3: see the flaw here in ai.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: A. The construction of the Berlin Wall, B, the Cuban
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: missile crisis, ce Apollo eleven moonlanding, or d the Fall
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: of the Brain. I didn't even listen to the other two.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: I was just waiting for the Berlin Wall coming down.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: What was the question which happened first? And what were
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: the other two? Cuban missile crisis or the Apollo eleven
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: moon landing. Let's see, Apollo eleven moon landing is sixties.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: Cuban missile crisis is after that. Berlin Wall came down
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: in the eighties. Let's start garbage. Berlin Wall went up.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: It gotta be the Berlin Wall going out. I feel
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: like that's right, Yeah, yes, that's gotta be.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 3: You're wrong about the Cuban missile crisis because that happened
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 3: during Kennedy's administration and Paul Levin didn't land until.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: Oh, of course it did. Yeah, that's kicked. That's right. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: you're right, yep, did not live to see it. Yeah.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: What happened again? Uh?
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: Which event occurred closest in time to the invention of
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: the printing press by Johannes Guttenberg.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: Uh?
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 3: He the hundred do you want options? He the one
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: hundred years.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: War ends, the Battle of Hastings see the Spanish Armada
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: or d the Council of Trent. This is hard what
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: the existed like? B B.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: No, it is not saying it.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: Would you like to pick a letter, Jim? You picked by?
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: Was that the Trent one?
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 5: No?
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: No, Battle of Hastings? Give me one hundred years war? Yes,
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: Jesus Christ, we found it.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: Sweet trivia.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: Oh my god? Okay, Jim? Which happened? Riches? Which happened last?
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: The discovery of penicillin?
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: Uh B.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: The stock market crash of nineteen twenty nine see the
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 3: Hindenburg disaster or d Lindbergh's transatlantic flight on time out
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: recent happened last?
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, most recent? Jim Bonus question, what year did the
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: stock market crash happen that Nick just mentioned? Nineteen twenty nine?
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 3: I would have lost that bet too, Jim, you should
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: be betting on the.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: Having a day.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: In my moment, I don't know this machine's hot, all right,
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: So we've got the stock market crash, penicillin Lindbergh anderg recently.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: Oh boy, this is the most recent. Oh man, I
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: think it's penicillin. It is not. It's not. Jacob. You
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: want to take a shot. Let's see so that leaves
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: uh the printing press, stock market crash Hindenburg or Lindbergh's
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: trans Atlantic Hindenburg. I was thinking Gutenberg, let's go, hope
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: we get that drop.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: It's like they prefer the day.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: Let's go with led Zeppelin.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 3: Uh yeah, Hburg baby, yes makes.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: Led Zeppelin was not an option. It's not all the
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: album covers nineteen seven, good job, very cool. All I
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: do was Nazis. It was like, that's that's right around
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: that Nazi time. Nazis. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. Those
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: Nazis they were. They were big fans of big balloons,
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: big balloons, books, but big balloon big much less so books.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: Normal adjustment struggles versus just not being a good fit.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: Hi friends, I'm a thirty six year old professional who
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: recently left a highly demanding career path after experiencing significant burnout.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: About a week ago. I started a new job that
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: is objectively better in many ways, more sustainable hours, less stress,
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: and a healthier long term lifestyle. The challenge is that
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: I feel completely overwhelmed by the transition. Everything is new.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: When I find myself making small mistakes that feel much
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: bigger than they probably are. For example, I recently missed
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: a scheduled client meeting because I hadn't properly set up
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: a new work account on my phone. I'm treating it
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: as an inexcusable oversight and as evidence that I'm failing.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: Adding to the pressure is the fact that I got
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: this job through a close friend who also works there
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: and is helping train me. When I make mistakes, they
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: often look visibly irritated or disappointed. I don't think they're
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: trying to be cruel, but because we're friends, I sometimes
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: wonder if they feel more comfortable expressing their frustration with
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: me than they would with another new employee. Whether that's
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: true or not, I find myself paying close attention to
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: every reaction and feeling tremendous guilt whenever I make a mistake.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: I've only been in the role for a week, but
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: I've already made a few errors. The guilt feels completely
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: disproportionate to the actual mistakes. Instead of thinking I'm new
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: and still learning, my mind immediately jumps to I'm letting
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: everyone down. I'm making my friend look bad, and maybe
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: they regret recommending me and are telling their inner circle
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: what a shitty higher I was. The emotional reaction is
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: so intense that I sometimes want to run away, cry
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: and never come back to work. I want them to
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: think only positively of me, since we're friends, and I'm
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: convinced that my work performance has forever tarnished that view.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: I also have a history of panic attacks, so this
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: isn't entirely new territory for me. What feels different is
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: how quickly my thoughts spiral. A small mistake can become
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: a story about being incompetent, disappointing people, and eventually needing
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: to quit. What's confusing is that I don't think I
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: actually dislike this job. In fact, I think it's probably
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: a very good opportunity. What I dislike is the feeling
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: of being new, uncertain, and overwhelmed. At the same time,
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: I don't feel especially excited or motivated to throw myself
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: into learning everything immediately, and that makes me wonder whether
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: I'm still burned out from my previous career or whether
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: this new role simply isn't the right fit for me.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: My question is, how can someone tell the difference between
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: normal adjustment stress after burnout and a genuine sign that
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: a new job isn't a good fit. How do you
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: separate realistic accountability for mistakes from excessive guilt and anxiety?
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: And when you have a history of panic attacks, how
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: do you know whether the urge to quit is a
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: valid instinct or simply a desire to escape an uncomfortable feeling.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: Thanks everybody, anonymous.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: There's a lot, yeah, a lot of places I want
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: to go.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: I watched this kind of happen to somebody today.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: I was at home depot today. I had a return
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: and I was purchasing a bigger version of the thing
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: that I already had, and so like they had to
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: return the thing because it was faulty. And then I
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: was going to, you know, pay the difference. I was
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: gonna pay extra and do the stuff. And the guy
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: that was helping me at customer service, he just like
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: at first, I was like, oh man, I just got
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: a bad draw and and like this guy just can't
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: get a shit together today. Like what I was like,
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: for whatever reason, this guy's having a bad day. And
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: then after a couple of minutes, I was like, oh shit,
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: he doesn't know like the types of questions he's asking.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: He's not asking like do we have a plumbing department
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: for instance, he's asking like does in y'all's store, does
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: this go to the plumbing department or does this go
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: to the other Like it was that type of question. Yeah,
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: And I was like, oh shit, he didn't know the
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: lay of this land. Like he's new to this, Like
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: there's something specific here that he's new to. He has
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: some experience that isn't quite translating over for me right now, okay,
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: And like the people around him were visibly like I
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: was honestly kind of fine. I was like, this is
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: just kind of taking the time that it's taken, and
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: like he's having to ask people about things. But I
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: was also kind of like, this is a weird It's
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: not a totally normal situation. It's not the weirdest situation ever,
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: but it's not a totally normal situation. Like I was
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: kind of like, Okay, this is fine. It it was
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: five minutes, maybe ten. It wasn't crazy or anything. Yeah,
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: but yeah, like the people around him were like, you know,
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: you need to call so and so for that you're
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: calling so and so, you need to call so and so. Yeah,
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: I'm just watching it happen and like I was like, oh,
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: this is like this guy's having a rough go of
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: it today. Is that Brittany alone, that's it. It sounds
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: a little bit maybe maybe the writer is having a
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: similar just run and man, those days when it is
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: just like every you know, when things feel like they
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: start going wrong and you get it, you feel like
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: you're in that that row of like I can't quite
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: do shit right today. Yeah, And that's a bad feeling.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: And to be in that going into work is a
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: really shitty feeling.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And I haven't started as many jobs as say,
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: like Jim has in his life, because I think there's
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: been a lot interesting.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: I think that fired often. That is always interviewing just
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: in case. That is often the first step at getting
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: a new job is getting fired from the previous one.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: But this is such a common conversation between my friends
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: and I just that the nerves that are involved with
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: starting a new position, even if it's something say you
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: feel pretty comfortable at, like let's say the home depot,
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: like maybe they worked out lows before now the home depot,
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: like you know, they know what they're doing, but they're
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: fumbling in their current position. There's a lot of things
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: that stand out to me writer, and I think I'll
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: start with the perfectionism aspect, maybe like kind of dive
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: into that first because other stuff is kind of a
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: little more surface level. We can talk about different coping
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: skills for that, or you know, solutions to what you're
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: talking about, what your questions are, But what really I
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: hear the most is just that perfectionism. Especially when you
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: mentioned panic attacks. I feel like a lot of clients
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: that I work with that have things like high anxiety
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: or anxiety attacks, even into panic attacks, it does come.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: It seems to come a lot from almost an internal
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: sense of I need to be perfect now. Wherever that
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: comes from for you, only you know. I don't know
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: your background or anything like that, but I think that
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: trying to dig in and be okay with messing up
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: is maybe a good first start. Because I hear you
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: saying I don't want my friend or these people I
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: work with, I want them to like me because they're
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: my friends, and I don't want them to regret hiring me.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: And that sounds like a lot of control over other
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: people's thoughts, feelings, and emotions about you that we are
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: no one is in control of None of us are
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: in control of other people's emotions. So I hear you
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: trying to dive into that. Anxiety usually drives that, like
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: we're trying to seek control over our environment. But yeah,
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: there's a fun little activity I used to do with
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: one of my clients who is dealing with OCD.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: Tell us about your fun little activity.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: I would make them text a friend and the type,
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: and that's exactly what I do. Yeah, now I recommend
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: doing this with somebody like you feel really comfortable, Like
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: it can be a parent who loves you unconditionally. You
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: have a safe word, yeah, type of that.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 3: Wait is this?
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: So that was always a fun one because like how
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: much especially now we can edit text. We can do
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: all that, Like and we're worried someone's judging us that
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: we don't know the difference between they're there and there
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: or whatever.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: Like I am, and you know what, that's okay, people,
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: we cannot edit text, So that's pretty cool that you.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, apple, you have you can like edit it
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: up until they see it.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: I think that's what I think, until you see it.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: My friend the other day was like, you can edit text,
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: girl with choices. You can also you can also unsend.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: Oh we can't do that at all. Yeah, God, how
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: many dick pics I would take back. But yeah, I
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: mean I don't know any of it based on uh
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: I think there, I'm worried about it. I do it
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: based on I think I've just failed to communicate.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like I'm just fucking this up.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: I'm completely messed up the basic sending of a text message.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: But yeah, that's kind of a place I like to
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: start with, just sort of maybe kind of exposure type therapy.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: But but yeah, I think just embracing that it's okay
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: to mess up. I mean that has been a long
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: journey for myself as someone who's still struggles with people pleasing.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: But I think that desire to not fuck up is
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: so strong and it can really take a huge toll
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: on you. And I think entering professions where something that
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: really related me to the writers. Way back in twenty nineteen,
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: when I started at that insurance company, it was a
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: really hard job and it takes a while to get
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: the hang of it. So the people very high that
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: have already been in there, it's like a lot of
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: things to learn, and they're doing it quickly, and they
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: were getting irritated with me for not catching on quickly.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: And you're like, oh, my gosh, there's all this stress
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: to get it, but the reality is it just takes time.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: I'm just going to suck up some ship for a while.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: That's how we feel about you too.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought you might. You know, that's my next.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: Waiting on that thing to flick. It'll happen, you know what.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: I don't care. I think it might not.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: I don't care if you.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 3: Honestly, I think our biggest mistake at pod therapy is
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 3: our probation period being two years.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Usually it's like three months.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, thats why we have that meeting on the schedule.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: It's been extending it, yeahrit Also, nobody likes having meetings.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: You know how hard it is to get together to
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: record a business meeting years. That's right, here's the thing
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: we need pod therapy pips. Oh yeah, it's totally an
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: idea that we should give the therap producers. Yeah. Absolutely.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 3: Here's the thing that I think is really challenging is
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 3: the changing of careers because it's like, if you're still
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 3: within the same industry and you go to a new job,
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 3: you have a barometer for which to measure your progress,
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 3: whereas like it's it kind of reminds me like, right now,
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 3: I know how long it takes me to drive from
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 3: my house to Jacob's house, But if I had to
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 3: walk it tomorrow, I have no idea, like and so
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 3: like and and like, Okay, well I've been walking for
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 3: fifteen minutes. Am I ahead of pace or behind pace?
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: I've never done this out till I'm an hour late.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And so it's switching industries is very difficult in
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 3: that sense, and I can relate to this in my
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 3: current job. We just hired two new people on our team,
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 3: and I've had to explain to them because they are
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 3: amazing clinicians. They're very good at being a clinician, but
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 3: that's not what they're doing anymore.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: Right now. You were working in regulatory statutes, you know, it's.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: The same skills, the same like knowledge.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 3: And the yeah, and the paperwork that we do, you know,
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 3: compared to the paperwork done by a clinician is much
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 3: different and there's a lot more people looking at it
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 3: and it makes a difference how you word things. And
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 3: so for the the new staff, you know, I've had
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 3: to explain to them, hey, look, you're going to write
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 3: this and it's going to get sent back to you,
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 3: and you're gonna have to fix it. And that's going
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 3: to be the case for probably the next twelve to
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 3: sixteen months.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, it'll be the case for I don't know
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: how long do you plan on work in here? Years?
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: If it's honestly.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 3: And honestly, there's still stuff that I write. I've been
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 3: with this organization now for seven years. There's still stuff
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 3: that I will write. It goes to my supervisor for
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 3: quality assurance, and she every once in a while will
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 3: still kick it back to me. But doing this for
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 3: seven years and.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: Still gets sent back. Do you think she just does
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: that to keep you in your place? Probably? Yeah, Yeah,
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: it's getting a little bit.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: Don't you care about your job?
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: It's always just an insult. It's just some vague like
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: is this the best you can do? It just says up.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 3: So like I think this is if I was in
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 3: this situation, here's my thought, And I don't know if
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 3: this is good advice or not.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: What I would do.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: He's been in the regulatory side too.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 3: I would ask your your friend and just say, hey,
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 3: what should I be expecting as far as progress? You know,
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 3: like should I still be getting this feedback? This far
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 3: in because maybe that's normal, and like, that's something that
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 3: I've realized. I have to I have to make sure
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 3: our staff understand because if they don't know that, then
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 3: they get that same feeling like, oh shit, maybe I
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 3: made a huge mistake, maybe I shouldn't be doing this.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 3: But I want them to understand, Hey, look, no, this
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 3: is gonna happen. So you need to expect this is
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 3: going to happen. And it doesn't mean you're not doing
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 3: your job. It means it's just incredibly difficult work, you know.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 3: And so if you can get that feedback from your friend,
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 3: and I think that would be helpful. Now in the
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 3: case where your friend says you should actually be a
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 3: little bit further along, yeah, yeah, that is a real possibility.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: See I had a different I mean, after you're done,
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: I would like the opposite of what.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 3: You said is my well okay, So then my plan
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 3: B if they do come back with that, is to
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 3: be like, okay, well, what were some techniques or what
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 3: are some things that you did that helps you learn this.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 3: I like that ask a few different people at work,
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 3: you know, and maybe you can get some ideas that
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 3: is helpful.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: They might have a strategy that they don't want to
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: just tell you what to do, but they're open if
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: you ask, like, hey, how do you set up your
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: day in the morning, or how do you make sure
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: you don't miss this call? Yeah, this meeting, because.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 3: Honestly, I feel like a lot of people fail early
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 3: in new careers because of inadequate training. Yeah, sometimes we
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 3: just like and I'm I feel terrible about this because
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 3: you know, with with our new staff, I feel like
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 3: we've been so busy. I haven't had the time to
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 3: actually sit down and vote going to complaining to me.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was told you in confidence. Also, you're really
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 2: bad at therapy.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: What were you going to say?
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: I was going to say, Uh, you will know when
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: you're fucking up when your company tells you, like I
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: don't worry, Like when I worked at that insurance company.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: There are plenty of times like you need to do
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: a B C D. Well, my opinion, it's impossible to
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: do all a B C D. Well, you're gonna you're
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: every person on the team is good at one or
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: the other. No one can do all of it. And
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you feel that way, writer, but
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: some of these companies have high expectations of their workers,
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: and so it's like, I'm going to do the best
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: I can every day and if I don't hit one
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: of those A, B, C, D, that's fine. And when
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: I have my meeting with my manager, I told them that, like, hey,
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: I've been struggling at this. Is that okay? And they say,
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: you're doing great. Here's your metrics. Yeah, we want to
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: shoot for hire. Just keep looking toward it. Like most
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: of the time, it doesn't fucking matter.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 2: Like Whitney has a meeting with her manager, they're like,
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 2: how is your key card still working? Why are you here?
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: Still?
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 2: Just like an office space? We fixed the flow and
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 2: you know what, we just will let the situation take
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: care of itself.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: That's why I'm getting the insurance companies that scheck.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 2: The rates are so fucking high. Yeah, so writer, I
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 2: agree with everybody else on this one. I think only
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: being somewhere for a week and come on, I was like,
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: I think in general, you do not get held accountable
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 2: for I expected you to know this by now. I
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: think it's ninety days. They don't expect you to be
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: housebroken in the first week. Yeah, come on, ye, yeah,
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: you're still asking what people's names are so like dropping
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: the ball, making repetitive mistakes, the fact that your friend
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 2: is kind of rolling their eyes and scoffing. I like
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 2: your interpretation of they're being way more expressive with me. Yeah,
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: then they would dare to be if they were trying
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 2: to just be purely a professional, and I wouldn't. I
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: wouldn't address that either. Yeah, I wouldn't even bring that out.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: I think it's the other side of the coin. I like,
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 2: you also get the job because that's your friends. Yeah. Yeah,
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: they'll also go out of their way to cover up
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: the states, right, Yeah, they're gonna help.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 4: No.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 2: I like going to the friend slash supervisor and saying,
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: you know, like, am I how's my progress going? I like,
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 2: I like getting more information and getting feedback. Yeah. I
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: wouldn't even bring up the like, hey, I see that
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: expression every now and then and that that kind of
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: hurts my feelings or whatever, like not worth it. I
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 2: think that comes with the territory.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: You don't even know if that's what's happening.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, the big thing you're talking about all these
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: things and a lot of it comes down to you.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 2: You want the respect of your coworkers and that's of course,
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: of course you do, and I don't want to let
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: other people down. But some of your questions in here
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: of can I trust this feeling? So you ask, like,
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 2: how do I know the difference between a false feeling
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: driven by anxiety that I need to run away and
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 2: quit this job versus a true instinct of realizing I
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 2: am not a good fit for this. The fact that
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 2: you have to ask that question is immediately evident to me.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 2: You should not believe that feeling right. So like panic
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 2: attacks and anxiety attacks, one on one feelings are not facts.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: And so whenever your gut is telling you I'm a
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: wrong fit, I'm letting everybody down and you find yourself catastrophizing,
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 2: you cannot believe that right. So like, endurance and perseverance
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: are the test of most anxious situations. So you're gonna
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: be afraid? Am I you get cold feet before marriage?
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: Joe? No?
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  Speaker 2: Is this gonna be a m I gonna be terrible
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 2: at this cold Uh? I'm scared to have a kid,
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: you know? Am I gonna ruin this? I'm scared of
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 2: this new job. I'm scared of this new adventure? Like
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: should I go to this school? Did I make the
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: wrong decision, second guessing and feeling this sense of like,
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: oh no, critical failure is baked into the disease of anxiety.
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 2: So when your brain is glitching in that way, you
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 2: cannot believe it. Who I was just talking to somebody recently.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: It might have been Matt Donnelly, even I don't remember
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 2: who it was. But we're talking about choices. We're talking
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 2: about just kind of general choices, and you know, and
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 2: life choices. You know, big choices get into those as well.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 2: You know, we don't always know that big choices are
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: big choices when we're making them. Sometimes it's just, you know,
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 2: something that happened before. We always forget, and I think
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 2: I'm as guilty of this as anyone. We always forget
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: that the other choice, the thing that we didn't do.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 2: It's not a yes or no thing. You know, that's
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 2: not a black and white between the two jobs. If
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: you've got two job offers and you go like, oh shit,
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 2: you know, if I take this one and I won't
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: be taking this one, and what if I don't take
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: this one, and all the things that could happen, Like no, no,
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 2: it's not one equals good life and one equals bad life.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 2: It is both equal life. There are different things that happen.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 2: I mean it's hard. This is I'm gonna say something
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 2: that is I think much more difficult to do than
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 2: it is to say, And that is you have to
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: be able to pogo sticky. You have to stay up
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 2: and you have to be able to do it for
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 2: at least thirty times in a row. People will say
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: twenty Those people are communists.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 4: Now.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 2: But you have to be able. Like whatever you're doing,
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: it all comes down to you. Just you can't base
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 2: your fucking happiness off of your job. You can't give
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 2: that switch to someone else. You can't. You can't count
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: on someone else to say, uh, you know, this is
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: my boss, and my boss is responsible for you know,
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 2: making me happy when I'm not not at work.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, unlike what Jim was saying, giving into that anxiety.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: I mean it, I almost hear that in your uh
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: your writing of the letter. You're saying, oh, should I
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: just quit and basically like run away because this isn't
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: a good fit. And right before that you said, actually
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: think I like this job and it's a great opportunity,
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: Like you did answer your own question. What I hear
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: is the fear of the discomfort that anxiety is bringing
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: you is trying to find that that comfort level.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 2: But yeah, my real answer, by the way, to the
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: question I think was at the end of the letter,
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 2: like how do I tell the difference between just your
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 2: common anxiety and this is a bad fit for me?
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 2: The only answer is time. Time's that's the only ingredient
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 2: in baking a cake here that has to be considered
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 2: an observed. You cannot tell the difference between anxiety or
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 2: early red flags, and so there's only one way you don't.
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: You have to keep getting data. That's it, And you
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 2: have to just use data. Like if you go to
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: your friend and say, hey, how am I doing, and
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 2: your friend says, man, you are not cut out for this. Yeah,
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 2: we have reviews, we have Like, then it's time to
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 2: have that conversation. Your boss says, I don't think this
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 2: is a good fit for you, right, Like all right now,
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: my boss has seen a few people come through here. Right,
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 2: your smoke alarm system is broken. If you have an
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 2: anxiety disorder, you do not have danger awareness. Your brain
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 2: is always blinking dashboard lights telling you something is wrong.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 2: So you have to go through life knowing that this
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 2: is a disability you have that you cannot trust those perceptions,
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 2: and so you have to use your logic in your
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 2: ration brain, your rational brain, to like actually sort out like, Okay,
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 2: I I only can do this over and over and
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 2: over again. I've been doing this for one week. I'm
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 2: going to do it for at least four more and
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 2: sort out how I'm feeling about this, and like, use
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 2: data and observational truth. But facts are not feelings. You
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: cannot trust them, especially if you have a history of
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 2: panic disorders and anxiety disorders. What you're experiencing so far
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 2: sounds par for the course for people like that. Do
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 2: not trust those feelings. If you know how to do
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 2: the job, the only thing you can do is go
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 2: in and do the job. That's right. You can go
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 2: in and do it as well as you know how
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 2: to do it. That's all you're able to do. That's
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 2: that's that's it. And if the job doesn't work out,
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 2: gamble as hard as you can, as much as you can,
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: and if you win enough you can start calling that
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 2: a job. That's a job today killed. It's not gambling
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: as long as you win. Oh, I'll tell you a
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 2: quicked a show that I was definitely going to get
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 2: fired from. I was, I was definitely gearing up, but
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 2: I thought.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: About you doing this. I'm like, wonder if Jacob's ever
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: felt like I doing good?
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 2: Worried about of course, And like we talked about Jim
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 2: having a ton of jobs, I've had a ton of
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: jobs in the last twenty ish years. I have done
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 2: like seventy some odd different shows.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: I see your work not quite as gigwork, but more
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: like closer to gigwork than.
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 2: Like, it's much more closer to get work than what
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: I think of is what you guys do. I think
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 2: even like long term stuff still.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: The recovery stuff is turned into gig work.
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: Yes, sorry, yeah, Like I was on this. I was
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: on this show. We were putting a new show in
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: and the sound designer told me what he wanted me
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 2: to do on running this show, and I tried to
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 2: do what he asked for, and I was like, this
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 2: is not the right way to do this. I don't
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: really know how to do what he's asking for, and
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: like just plugging through it, trying to get it done,
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: trying to get it done. Days of this and this
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 2: is absolutely going against what we just told you writer,
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 2: but probably like a week in and I was like,
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 2: this is this is just red flags. This is not
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 2: a anxiety. This is just red flags. This guy's getting
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 2: he's gearing up to fire me, like he's he's frustrated
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 2: with me. Nothing sounds good. Things are taking too long.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 2: This is not going well. You seduced him, So I
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 2: fucking shit up the first move. Hey, you seem unhappy,
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 2: you seem to Yeah, you know, let's go slowly apply
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 2: the lips. Let's fucking go get the long cigarette stem
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 2: slowly popped. But one day, like one morning, I was
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 2: getting ready to go in and they were there were
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 2: long days of course too, so all of this is
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 2: in conjunction with like, you know, twelve to fifteen hour
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 2: work days every day, uh, you know, millions of dollars
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 2: on the line for you know, big show, the whole thing.
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 2: And I was like, I'm gonna get fired. I'm just
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 2: going to go in and do this the way that
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 2: I think, the way, the way that I know how
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 2: to do this. Like it's not that I have a
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 2: different opinion on it, that's it. It's like I'm gonna
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 2: go in and like I know what he I know
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 2: what he wants the result to be and it's the
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 2: way of getting to the result that we are having
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 2: a disagreement of opinion on or not a just room
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 2: an opinion. He's like, you do it this way, and
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 2: I'm like, sorry, I can't. Yeah, well in a way
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 2: like like I'm fucking your way up. I'm gonna try
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 2: my way. And then and then it worked and a
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 2: and like at the end of the day, it worked
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 2: out and it was and it was fine, but absolutely
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 2: like it's just you. You have to and I wasn't
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 2: at this point.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 4: Then.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 2: I don't think I'm at this point now, But I
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 2: think you have to be able to go in and
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 2: just say, like, I'm going to do what I'm going
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 2: to do. I'm going to do it as well as
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 2: I possibly can, and that's the end of what I
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 2: am able to control. So I'm not gonna worry about.
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 3: It, which I think is a sign of a good boss,
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 3: because a good boss is not going to hire a
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 3: sound engineer to set things up the way they want it, right.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 3: They set it up so that the sound engineer knows
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 3: how to do it sure, and sets it up the
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 3: way that they that it can be done. Yeah, right,
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 3: like that makes sense.
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: Uh, Jacob kind of brings up another thing I thought about,
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: which is I don't know your job, writer, but is
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: anyone gonna die if like you sum up like the sound.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 2: I tell people that I'm training them to run shows
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 2: and everything. I tell people that all the time, Like
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 2: people are going to make this seem like it's really
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 2: important and it's just fucking not. I don't know. I
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 2: think hanging the speakers, I think that's important. The police,
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 2: I take care of the really important stuff. No, like
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 2: nothing's nothing's that fucking importan unless unless people are gonna die.
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 4: I mean, there's some jobs out there something you do,
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 4: like if you're if you're like an ear nurse or
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 4: something like.
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 1: That, Sure you get to have all that pressure, but
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 1: you signed up for that.
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 2: You know what you're well, And it kind of I
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 2: kind of rope that back into that old quote that's
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 2: like you will fear what others think of you so
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 2: much less when you realize how seldom they do right.
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 2: And like if you're thinking, oh, no, I think all
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 2: my coworkers think that I'm not competent. Yeah, you're the new.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: Guy, you are, and they are thinking that they probably
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: are like.
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 2: Oh yep, he doesn't know that. But they're not thinking
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 2: of you very often. Yeah, I guarantee you as much
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 2: as they're thinking how incompetent is the new guy? They're
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 2: thinking more what's for lunch and how a co workers?
• 1:34:04
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• 1:34:06
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• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: a rookie, and it's like, really, this person didn't come
• 1:34:13
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• 1:34:19
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  Speaker 2: And holding a shot glass from a surf eye. Oh mentioned,
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  Speaker 1: I know you mentioned paddles. Did your high school do
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, my elementary school. Oh yeah, I was gonna
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  Speaker 1: It was a thing and I didn't notice it. I
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  Speaker 2: The first time I got paddled in school was in kindergarten. Yeah, wow, easily. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I was the first time I got hit by a
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, beat that child for a living.
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  Speaker 2: The only it's the only time I remember getting paddled
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  Speaker 2: in kindergarten. I remember the teacher walking around and like
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  Speaker 2: because it was kindergarten and we had naps. Kindergarten kids
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  Speaker 2: still do that.
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  Speaker 1: No, I don't know half days, oh I say, even.
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  Speaker 2: In full day kinder there's no naps. Oh wow. Anyway,
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  Speaker 2: we had like we used to have naps in we
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  Speaker 2: talking like crack, there's no warning she would just hit you.
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  Speaker 2: God oh wow. And then in junior high we had
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  Speaker 2: uh mister Dunn. Mister Dunn was the assistant principal in
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  Speaker 2: mister Done, you could if you were going to get
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  Speaker 2: had the option to take lists. I can't believe that
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  Speaker 2: he really spank kids in public schools, and I got
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  Speaker 2: I mean like taking links from mister Dunn too. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I mean like I was what thirteen fourteen at this point.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, this is like sixth seventh grade. Were you
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  Speaker 2: and mister Dunn's office a suspicious amount of time before
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  Speaker 2: he finally figured out you're kind of into it. Oh no,
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  Speaker 2: he knew the first time. Stop, mister Dunn, mister Dunn,
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  Speaker 2: I'm just dressed up for rocky horror pictures. That's why
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  Speaker 2: I'm wearing this, mister Dunne. That's not the safe word. Yeah. Anyway,
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  Speaker 2: I just had and he looked he definitely looked like
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  Speaker 2: the guy from a Falling Down. He had like the
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  Speaker 2: horn rimmed glasses and and like he was he was
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  Speaker 2: that guy. He was just like a country version of
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  Speaker 2: that guy. And and yeah, he had like it was
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  Speaker 2: just a big like it was a block of wood, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: a solid chunk of table. Oh and like I'd have
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  Speaker 2: bruises on like upper leg from where the from where
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  Speaker 2: the corner of it would miss your ass and just
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  Speaker 2: hit your and just hit your leg, Like I had
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  Speaker 2: multiple bruises multiple times.
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  Speaker 1: From like teachers that is bananas.
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  Speaker 2: It's a weird ending to the.
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  Speaker 2: Piss Off,