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#2193 Australia's No. 1 Tai Chi Influencer - Patrick Bonello · The You Project

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  Speaker 1: I'll get a team. It's Harps and Patrick just doing
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  Speaker 1: what we do. Hi, mate, how are you?
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  Speaker 2: It's not too bad. It's Sunday morning. It's kind of
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  Speaker 2: chilly outside. I remotely turned on the air conditioning, well
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  Speaker 2: the heating in my studio, and I don't think I
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  Speaker 2: turned it on early enough, so I'm a little bit chilly.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm okay. Just sit there with a little
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  Speaker 1: crocheted kind of blanket on your little lap with your schnauzer.
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  Speaker 1: Fritz has just jumped off. He had a schnauzer on
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  Speaker 1: him for the first five minutes. So we're on this call.
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  Speaker 1: Where do you go?
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  Speaker 2: He's just milling around. He's oh, I don't know what
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  Speaker 2: he's doing. He's just sniffing around, looking at the couch, exploring.
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  Speaker 1: He likes to explore.
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  Speaker 2: Schnausers love to explore. That's one of the things I reckon.
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  Speaker 2: One of the traits that I love the most. Here
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  Speaker 2: is he's come back up again to say hello to
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  Speaker 2: your arms. Here is he does love exploring. You know,
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  Speaker 2: we get out into the bushit he runs off. But
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  Speaker 2: as he's got older, one of the cute things is
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  Speaker 2: he'll run off into the distance and then he'll turn
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  Speaker 2: around and just look and just make eye contact and
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  Speaker 2: then run off again.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, so he's somewhat adventurous, but yeah, still
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  Speaker 1: likes to know where dad is.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, it's a very nice thing. It makes you feel wanted.
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  Speaker 2: Nothing makes you feel more wanted than a loving dog.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 1: I've been working on this. This seems like irrelevant to you,
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  Speaker 1: but look, the link will come. I've been I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to do a podcast in the next week about this
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  Speaker 1: is kind of a dumb topic, but it's interesting, like,
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  Speaker 1: what are the best if you could only do ten
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  Speaker 1: exercises or ten types of exercise or whatever, what are
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  Speaker 1: the best all round anti aging things that you can do? Right?
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  Speaker 1: So I had my own little list and I asked
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  Speaker 1: chatters what it thought, so i'd see what my look
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  Speaker 1: like compared to its list and number. I don't think
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  Speaker 1: it was written in order of best to worse, but
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  Speaker 1: I think it was number eight on the list from
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  Speaker 1: chat GPT. Was Ti Chi really there you go? Yeah? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: And then so I said, what I want you to
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  Speaker 1: do is come up with and I said, basically realizing
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  Speaker 1: there is no absolute list and realizing that there are
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  Speaker 1: one hundred different things that can be valuable. But if
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  Speaker 1: you had to just pick ten, you know, based on
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  Speaker 1: all the stuff, you know, strength and balance and coordination
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  Speaker 1: and muscular endurance and aerobic endurance and you know kind
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  Speaker 1: of almost spatial awareness and all of the different jigsaw
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  Speaker 1: puzzle pieces that make up the totality of fitness, what
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  Speaker 1: might be on your list? And it, yeah, came up
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  Speaker 1: with all the normal stuff, but it also came up
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  Speaker 1: with tai chi. And I wrote, so give me the
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  Speaker 1: dot point the list, but also give me like a
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  Speaker 1: thirty word rationale for why you're picking that, And tai
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  Speaker 1: chi comes up pretty high. It does.
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  Speaker 2: It often comes up pretty high, particularly for older people.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's obviously very widely interest. You know, there's
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  Speaker 2: a level of interest in all age groups, particularly in
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  Speaker 2: China where it originates from. And it is a proper
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  Speaker 2: martial art form, so slow moving martial art. But at
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  Speaker 2: one point in my class, I had a sixteen year
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  Speaker 2: old and an eighty six year old.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, how good is that? That's amazing? Yeah, explain I
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  Speaker 1: mean I think maybe I don't even understand, like I
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  Speaker 1: have an idea, like I've seen it, but just explain
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  Speaker 1: to people. It's kind of like I won't explain what
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  Speaker 1: is it? Like explain it as a teacher of taichi,
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  Speaker 1: what is it?
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  Speaker 2: It's a moving meditation, but it's also a series of
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  Speaker 2: so type there's two types. I guess people think about
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  Speaker 2: this tai chi, which is series of moves. So say
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  Speaker 2: the Yang twenty four is the most common tai chi
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  Speaker 2: practiced around the world. There are four families of tai chi,
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  Speaker 2: but Yang is a very popular one. And so there
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  Speaker 2: are twenty four set moves that are martial art moves.
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  Speaker 2: So it might be a block, a kick, punch, those
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  Speaker 2: sorts of things, but they're very vastly, vastly slowed down.
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  Speaker 2: But as you'd appreciate, if you throw a punch or
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  Speaker 2: a kick, particularly in if you're on one leg and
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  Speaker 2: you throw a kick and you're doing it really slowly,
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  Speaker 2: there's so much core that has to be engaged to
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  Speaker 2: do that. So that's why it really is great for balance, coordination,
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  Speaker 2: spatial awareness. But the other thing with thai chi, so
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  Speaker 2: there's cognitive functions, so you've got to remember the moves.
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  Speaker 2: There's the repetition of the moves, and also once you
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  Speaker 2: fall into that muscle memory, then you start to slow
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  Speaker 2: your brain down and because you know where you need
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  Speaker 2: to be, it becomes a moving meditation. Then there's a
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  Speaker 2: thing chigung and chigung is health exercises, and that's where
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  Speaker 2: you have a series of exercises where you just repeat them,
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  Speaker 2: say eight times, one move eight times, one move eight times,
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  Speaker 2: then you move.
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  Speaker 1: On to the next move.
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  Speaker 2: And that's very much about slow breathing, coordinating the moves
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  Speaker 2: with your breathing as well. So tight chi and chigung
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  Speaker 2: are about breathing coordination, but they are true martial art
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  Speaker 2: forms as well.
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  Speaker 1: That is interesting as you're saying that, I'm thinking right
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  Speaker 1: exactly what you're saying. If I'm clearly not a martial artist,
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  Speaker 1: but you know I can stand on one leg and
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  Speaker 1: kick a bag, you know, like a heavy bag. But
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  Speaker 1: if I had to stand on one leg and instead
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  Speaker 1: of doing it like a kick foot off the ground,
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  Speaker 1: kick back on the ground one second, if that had
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  Speaker 1: to take ten seconds, that would be wildly hysterically hard.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, you think shit. It's like I would
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  Speaker 1: say to people, you know, how many push ups can
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  Speaker 1: you do? And that's say whatever, some young dude, I go, great,
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  Speaker 1: I want you to do five. But I want each
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  Speaker 1: push up to take ten seconds. Yeah, right, so five
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  Speaker 1: second down eccentric, five second up concentric, So each rep
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  Speaker 1: takes ten seconds. Virtually nobody can make five well not nobody,
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  Speaker 1: but you need to be yeah, slowing stuff down while
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  Speaker 1: still like investing a high level of energy but slowly,
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  Speaker 1: you know, or high. It's almost like it's not really
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  Speaker 1: force because you're not producing power in the sense that
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  Speaker 1: we describe power in physics and strength stuff. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it is. I would be terrible at that. Terrible.
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  Speaker 2: My tai chi teachers see is quite often there is
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  Speaker 2: strength in moving slowly, and I really love the way
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  Speaker 2: that she visually, you know, she talks that through, and
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  Speaker 2: that's we think of that when we do tai chie.
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  Speaker 2: But just as if you're sitting there now listen into
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  Speaker 2: this podcast and you're standing straight, you feed a shoulder
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  Speaker 2: with the part, you turn your right foot to forty
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  Speaker 2: five degrees, so just on a slight angle, and then
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  Speaker 2: take one small step forward. That's called the bow stance.
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  Speaker 2: That's the foundation of all tai chi. So when you're
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  Speaker 2: standing in bow stands, and it's probably very similar to
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  Speaker 2: a lot of other martial art forms as well, because
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  Speaker 2: you can you're really stable, you can rock forward and backward,
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  Speaker 2: left and right. Now if you take your right foot,
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  Speaker 2: the back foot, and you sweep it in towards the
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  Speaker 2: middle foot and then sweep around in a semi circle.
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  Speaker 2: But you do that over the span of about four
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  Speaker 2: or five seconds, then place the heel, adjust your weight,
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  Speaker 2: move forward, and then adjust that foot. So thinking it's
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  Speaker 2: called tai chie walking and a bit of a buzz
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  Speaker 2: about it at the moment it comes up on social media,
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  Speaker 2: and I don't know how true it all is because
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if it's as true to the tai
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  Speaker 2: chief form. It's just to become a buzz on socials.
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  Speaker 2: But tai chi walking is one of the things that
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  Speaker 2: I love to do with my students, and it's very
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  Speaker 2: very very very slow, deliberate walking, adjusting weight to one foot,
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  Speaker 2: sweeping the other foot around. Then you turn your weight
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  Speaker 2: to the other foot, adjust that weight, then move the
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  Speaker 2: other foot around, and you do that over a series
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  Speaker 2: of you know, you might do that for ten minutes
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  Speaker 2: and then you walk backwards. That's kind of cool as well,
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  Speaker 2: and I love with my students. One of the fun
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  Speaker 2: things I do is we start at a regular pace
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  Speaker 2: and then I say no, no, you've got to copy
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  Speaker 2: my speed, and then you slow it down tortuously slow,
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  Speaker 2: so ten seconds to sweep the foot around in that curve,
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  Speaker 2: so you're balanced on that one foot for ten seconds,
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  Speaker 2: and then you transgress to the other foot. Then you're
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  Speaker 2: balanced on that foot for ten seconds, but moving excruciatingly slowly,
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  Speaker 2: because there is a propensity for people to go too fast,
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  Speaker 2: and so you've got to slow them down constantly.
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  Speaker 1: That is so true. That's in a lot of things
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  Speaker 1: in strength training too. If somebody's doing let's just pick
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  Speaker 1: an exercise that everyone knows, a bicep curl. If you
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  Speaker 1: do that bicep curl in ten seconds, not two seconds. Again,
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  Speaker 1: but that thing that you're describing, which from just at
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  Speaker 1: a glance, and I'm being presumptuous here because not everyone
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  Speaker 1: would think what I think, but at a glance you
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  Speaker 1: go such a low energy grandpa, grandma, and then you
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  Speaker 1: think about like when I think about what you're saying,
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  Speaker 1: and I visualize me doing that, My god, that is
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  Speaker 1: fucking hard. That is real hard. And to be able
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  Speaker 1: to do something that requires strength and balance and coordination
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  Speaker 1: and a bit or quite a lot of muscular endurance actually,
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  Speaker 1: but to do that real slow and real intentionally, that
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  Speaker 1: actually requires more strength than you would ever imagine.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, the interesting thing is my heart rate
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  Speaker 2: doesn't go up during a ninety minute class. Halfway through,
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  Speaker 2: my watch will say it's time to get up and
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  Speaker 2: start moving.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's hilarious, but that's because but I think also
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  Speaker 1: for that to happen too, Like obviously heart rate and
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  Speaker 1: breathing rates respiration are intertwined, Like if you're breathing fast,
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  Speaker 1: your heart rate will be fast generally, but you can
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  Speaker 1: really really regulate your respiration because you're used to being
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  Speaker 1: the calm and the chaos that it's chaotic. But do
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  Speaker 1: you know what I mean where it's like if I
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  Speaker 1: did that, Yeah, my heart rate would probably be thirty
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  Speaker 1: forty percent higher than yours doing that thing because it's
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  Speaker 1: unfamiliar and it's new and I'm fucking this is hard.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The other fun thing about well, I know we've spoken
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  Speaker 2: about this before, but what I love about tai chi
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  Speaker 2: is that you know, you can do it anywhere. I've
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  Speaker 2: got a corporate gig coming up later in the year
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  Speaker 2: with about one hundred and twenty facilitators from all over
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  Speaker 2: the world. They've got a conference coming up in Geelong
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  Speaker 2: and they've asked me to do a one hour session
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  Speaker 2: of tai chi with these facilitators. Really really excited, you know,
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  Speaker 2: literally looking forward to to kind of engaging with people.
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  Speaker 3: Because you see this lovely light bulb.
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  Speaker 2: Moment when people start to get it. But yes, the
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  Speaker 2: other thing too with tai chi and chigung is that
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  Speaker 2: we also do weapon forms. You know, I have swords
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  Speaker 2: and that's a lot of fun as well to be
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  Speaker 2: able to use a weapon slowly, to do all these moves,
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  Speaker 2: and then you're counterbalancing with a heavy sword, which is
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  Speaker 2: kind of fun too.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. I mean that's like massive core training if you're
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  Speaker 1: holding that sword out to one side or even out
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  Speaker 1: in front of you. Yeah, Like if you've got a
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  Speaker 1: weight and it's the further away it is from your
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  Speaker 1: center of gravity, you know, the middle of you, the
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  Speaker 1: more yes, that that movement, all that comes with the benefit,
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  Speaker 1: All the benefits come with that movement. But then also
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  Speaker 1: the you know, if you're holding a let's say a
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  Speaker 1: five killer weight to your chest, it's easy. If you
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  Speaker 1: hold it out six inches from your chain, it's harder,
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  Speaker 1: you know, nine inches harder. Now, if you hold that
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  Speaker 1: same weight straight out, you know you've got a straight arm.
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  Speaker 1: So now it's it's gone from two inches from your
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  Speaker 1: center of gravity to whatever two feet from your center
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  Speaker 1: of gravity or should I say six hundred millimeters or
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  Speaker 1: sixty centimeters. Now that weight as an experience is exponentially heavier.
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  Speaker 1: So using swords and shit, that just adds another ridiculous layer.
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  Speaker 3: You know, it's really fun.
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  Speaker 2: I've got two beginners classes, one in the land and
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  Speaker 2: one in back of Smash, and the first time I've
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  Speaker 2: just started teaching the tai Chief fan form. And most
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  Speaker 2: of the people I'm teaching at the moment are women,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, you introduce them to the fan form.
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  Speaker 1: It's quite a pretty form.
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  Speaker 2: It's a beautiful form to watch you flick the fan
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  Speaker 2: open and it makes this sound, which in karate you'd
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  Speaker 2: call a kii or yell, a really loud and the
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  Speaker 2: theory behind it is someone who can do a proper
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  Speaker 2: key I can stop someone's heart, your opponent's heart, just
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  Speaker 2: by the loudness of it. So the foul is sound.
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  Speaker 2: And then when you've got a whole group of say
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  Speaker 2: twelve people all flicking the fan open at once and
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  Speaker 2: they love it. The fans look pretty, they're all the
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  Speaker 2: lovely colors. And then you say to them that traditionally
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  Speaker 2: the fans were a weapon used by women because they
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  Speaker 2: had blades on them. It goes up the next level
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  Speaker 2: and it's like, oh, yeah, we really want to do
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  Speaker 2: the fan.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and can you get us some with blades. That'd
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  Speaker 1: be terrific, that'd be yeah, yeah, that's incredible. Well, oh,
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  Speaker 1: that's what I was going to ask. When you're doing
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  Speaker 1: a corporate gig, Yeah, how does that like? I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: obviously I do lots of corporates, and I'm thinking of
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  Speaker 1: me standing in front of a room of one hundred
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  Speaker 1: corporates dressed in their corporate gear, sitting at tables with
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  Speaker 1: lollies in a bowl in the middle of the table
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  Speaker 1: and glasses of water or whatever, yeah, you know, and
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  Speaker 1: phones on the table and all that. Do you is
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  Speaker 1: this a designated kind of exercise movement session outside of
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  Speaker 1: the conference or do you just walk into these people
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  Speaker 1: dressed in corporate and go take your shoes off, because
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  Speaker 1: that's not going to stink with a hundred people doing that.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, well they don't have to. Good thing about
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  Speaker 2: tai chi is you don't sweat, you don't have to.
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  Speaker 2: You can do it in an office environment. But generally
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  Speaker 2: what will happen is this particular conference. It will be
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  Speaker 2: an early morning thing for people to opt into and
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  Speaker 2: right in a large hall of the Deacon University, so
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  Speaker 2: that that will be something people will opt into. But
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  Speaker 2: you can do tai chi in any clothing, you know,
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  Speaker 2: loose fitting clothing.
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  Speaker 3: You don't need special gear.
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  Speaker 2: And as I said, you don't you don't get your
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  Speaker 2: heart rate to a point where you start by the
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  Speaker 2: end of it you're sweating. You actually feel relaxed at
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  Speaker 2: the end of it, and you know, you feel you
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  Speaker 2: cleared your mind and your body and you've waken yourself up.
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  Speaker 2: So in this instance, but the good thing is that
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  Speaker 2: there are some basic chiggoing exercises you could do at
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  Speaker 2: your desk. You could stand up, step back from your
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  Speaker 2: desk and do exercises where you stand in the same
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  Speaker 2: spot and you just slow the breathing down in time
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  Speaker 2: the exercises to your intaken breathing in and breathing out.
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  Speaker 1: We'll move on because some of our listeners are going
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  Speaker 1: to talk about tech. But before I do, I want
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  Speaker 1: to ask one question that I do not know the
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  Speaker 1: answer to. How important is flex flexibility? I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: know it's important, but like in some other disciplines, it's
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  Speaker 1: like almost how good you are is dependent solely on
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  Speaker 1: your flexibility. What about taichi?
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  Speaker 2: It's tai chi for every level of fitness, They're a tie.
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  Speaker 2: Do tai chi with a visiting student who comes to
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  Speaker 2: my studio who often sits in a chair because he's
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  Speaker 2: got a neurological problem that he shakes so much that
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  Speaker 2: he sometimes can't stand up for long periods, And we
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  Speaker 2: can do touching in a chair tai chi for arthritis.
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  Speaker 2: There's whole lots of ways you can adapt to tai
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  Speaker 2: chi for the person that you're doing it with.
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  Speaker 1: It's my last question. Okay, could I do if I
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  Speaker 1: want to to do tai chi seriously? Like me and
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  Speaker 1: I would it be worth my while to do? I
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  Speaker 1: don't know even know if this is a thing, But
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  Speaker 1: do three times a day five minutes of tai chi?
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  Speaker 1: Is that possible? Likely for somebody like me who I'm not,
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  Speaker 1: I'm probably like if you had a class, if you
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  Speaker 1: ad a studio in Hampton Street, I'm coming, no doubt.
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  Speaker 1: But other than that. I'm like, well, can I do
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  Speaker 1: five minutes three times a day at home?
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  Speaker 2: Yep, I do that with my staff. We do, you know,
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  Speaker 2: five minutes in the morning, five minutes in the afternoon. Simple, simple,
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  Speaker 2: And it wouldn't be it'd be chi gung, which is
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  Speaker 2: health exercises to learn a Tai chief form, a simple
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  Speaker 2: Tai chief form as stay the yang eight and that
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  Speaker 2: might take you in total maybe two and a half minutes.
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  Speaker 2: So you could do that as well, but you'd need
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  Speaker 2: a little bit more room. So it just depends on
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  Speaker 2: how much room you've got around you. But there are
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  Speaker 2: many many health exercises you can do just standing behind
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  Speaker 2: your desk and four two minutes.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, all right, so let's talk about you've
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  Speaker 4: done quite a bit of work today, well for today, and.
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  Speaker 1: Let me put on my Grandpa Harper put on my
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  Speaker 1: specs the first time. The first topic makes me feel
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  Speaker 1: a bit queasy. I don't even well, I guess that's
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  Speaker 1: a good thing that they're doing. But there are so
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  Speaker 1: this is under the heading of safety legislation and social media.
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  Speaker 1: So there's new plans to stop kids from taking or
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  Speaker 1: sharing or viewing nude images. How do they plan to
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  Speaker 1: do that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is going to be a tough one. This
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  Speaker 2: is being rolled out in the United Kingdoms, so they
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: haven't done. They're going down the same track as Australia
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: in terms of not allowing under sixteen year olds to
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: access social media, but they're taking it another step where
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: they're trying to force big tech or they're trying to
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: impose on big tech tech to actually implement some sort
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: of device level technical solution to block children entirely from taking, sharing,
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: or viewing nude images.
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: Now, how they're going to do that.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: This is what happened in Australia and this is where
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: the problem is because they said, right, we want to
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: put through this legislation and we're going to make big
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: tech enforce it using its technology, develop something so that
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: under sixteen year olds can't access social media. That's been
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: disastrous because one of the things I wanted to talk
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: about is how bad it's been in Australia because the
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: reality of it is Anthony Albanezi, our Prime Minister, came
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: out recently said we're going to double the fines because
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: so many kids are still on social media. We're going
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: to double it from forty nine point five million to
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: ninety nine million dollars as the fine if under sixteen's
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: under the youth ban are still able to access social media.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: But the reality of it is there are stacks of
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: kids under sixteen. They're getting around it lots and lots
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: of different ways. So snapchat, TikTok, YouTube, whatever it happens
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: to be, you know, Facebook, Instagram, reality of it is.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: And this is and I can.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: Quote someone from swim Burn University of doctor Belinda Barnett.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: She said that the initial framework of the ban was
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: actually stymied in some ways by big text resistance. You
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: know that they were really sluggish in complying with this.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: So whether the UK's new stance on enforcement, this is
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: really hard to enforce, it's really hard to lament. It's
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: putting the onus on big tech and it feels like
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: shutting the gate after the horse has already bolted.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: Yes, this is a very weird leap. And as you're
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: saying that, I'm thinking it's like about similar to in
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: a very analogue way, the machete ban, the hand in
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: of the machetes right where everybody, all the people we
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: don't want to have a machete have got one. Yeah,
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: hey everyone, you know, all you bad guys that are
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: running around with machetes, if you could just pop them
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: all in this bin, that'd be great. What who the
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: fuck thinks that that's a good idea and they're actually
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: going to So what we get is all of these
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: people who are not going to run around and stab
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: people with a machete. But now it's the law. So
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: all the good people handing in these weapons, all the
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: bad people keeping the weapons, now we've got a greater weapon.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: I Balance not that I'm suggesting we parole the perimeter
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: of our house every night with a machete, but it's
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: just yeah, it does seem also, I mean, I'm not
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: an expert in this, but or anything. Do you think
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: that it's the job of the company to regulate the
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: behavior of Australian citizens, Like when the government goes, okay,
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: it's illegal to do this now, or you can't do
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: this now, surely they need to be able to enforce that,
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: which like saying it's like suing the companies because people speed.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but you can also say to the car companies
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: that we don't want a vehicle that exceeds a certain
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: speed limit, you know, I mean That's that's happened, hasn't it.
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: They've put speed limits on certain vehicles.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: Hye not yeah, in the old days they caught them
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: a governor. But the problem is you, you know, if
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: you're doing ninety kilometers an hour on a freeway where
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: it's a one to ten and somebody wants to overtake you,
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: they need to be able to accelerate and overtake you.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: You know, we're my mind with there.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: When you said governor, it's like, did they employ a
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: bloke who sat in the ay governor?
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a short British bloke. It went, hey, geezer, slow down,
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: will you? You're fucking idiot.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly what if they did that with kids
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: who were on the internet.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: What is what is dead? Social media?
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: What? Sorry?
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: Dead social media? I thought we were still talking about
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: the same thing. This is an interesting one. It's thoughts
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: that in the very near future there'll be more accounts
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: of people who have died than people who are alive. Really, yes,
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: well it's on track because the think you think about it,
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: someone passes away and you can actually have the account,
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: the account of the person who's passed can be an
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: in memoriam.
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: Account so think about it.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: You know, with Facebook and Instagram, if you've spent decades
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: uploading your photos and all the rest of it and
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: you don't want that to disappear forever, you can get
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: it switched over to an in memoriam type of account.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: On's your dead you count No your family can though? Really? Yeah?
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, yeah, yeah for sure.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: And in fact, there was a court case recently where
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: this poor woman was trying to get access to her
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: husband's account because for whatever reason, she couldn't get into
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: the account, and they had all these photos there that
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: she didn't have copies of and she wanted to get
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: access to them. So it's it's called a legacy data.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: And in the coming decades, this is the thing. So
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: they reckon that there will be a point where dead
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: accounts will surpass living users and the social media platforms
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: effectively will be digital graveyards.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, no, it's going to happen. What Yeah, Okay.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: The bit I disagree with is that the number of
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: dead people accounts will over That's bullshit because well, let
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: me fucking explain, is that the vast majority of people
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: that use Instagram and Facebook are not in the proximity
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: of death. Yes, there are old people that die who
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: had a Facebook account, but the vast, vast, overwhelming majority
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: of users are probably fifty or less. Yeah, I don't
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: think it's happening anytime soon. Oh so social media is
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: twelve years old or whatever, give or take, so it's
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: going to take a long time.
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: But projecting at some point that will happen.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: What's that? What did you call a dead account? Or
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: what's it called again?
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: The memorialization accounts? That's disturbingly yucky. Oh, I'll just log
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: into Brian's memorial could be anything more depressing. Well, we look,
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: we actually have a mutual person that we had a
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: lot to do with many years ago who was a
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: larger guy.
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: Remember our tech friend.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: Sure, so he passed away, but I remember his account
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: was kept active, and the year after he died, I
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: had a pop up because I don't use socials anymore,
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: but oh, it's this person's birthday, and it's like, oh, man,
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: you know I didn't need to see that because it
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: was upsetting that they passed away around the same time
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: as their birthday. And then I'm getting this message, don't
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: forget to message your friend because it's his birthdays.
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: Actually, yeah, so it's a oh can of worms, isn't it?
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: Really? When you think about the can of worms, we
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: don't need Let's talk about the military AI and yeah,
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: the technology before we start talking about the way that
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: people are killed and so on in war, which is
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: a disturbing the top topic in itself. Did you you
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: know how the US went in a few months ago
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: into Venezuela and basically rendered all of these people ineffective,
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: and they they took the president right. Firstly, could you
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: imagine that happening anywhere else? But anyway, apparently they used
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: they described it like this alien like technology where they
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: didn't shoot anyone. They used this I don't know, I
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: don't have the right words, but basically, this this sonic
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: something that affected their nervous system and just rendered everybody ineffective,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: Like they just all fell to the ground, hundreds of
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: these soldiers where they couldn't they couldn't shoot. It was
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: something that I think it was some auditory kind of
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: neural kind of weapon. I'm explaining it terribly, but the
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: bottom line is they didn't they didn't come and raid
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: them and shoot all these people and blow them up.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: They used some advanced technology. They basically walked into the
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: palace or whatever it was, took the present flew him
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: back to the States.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: It just occurred to me, that's a digital KII. We
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: talked about a ki at the start of the show. Yes,
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: digital ki.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yeah, that's exactly what it is. Anyway, all right,
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: so topic one everything it sees will be killed killer
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: AI claim claims its first victims in Ukraine is that
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: like a dog? Is that? Like? What is that one
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: of those? So generally am I t dogs with A.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: Drones have been used throughout the Ukraine conflict and they're
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: all remotely controlled by pilots, so you know, and Australia
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: has drones. We patrol the far Northern territories and all
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: that sort of stuff using remote control drones. I think
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: the pilots are in Adelaide. They leave from the Northern
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: Territory and they fly the drones remotely. But in all
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: the conflict in Ukraine, this is the first time that
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: they basically set off the drone and used AI to
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: control it. So this was an article in New Scientists,
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: and there's a claim that this was supposedly highly classified,
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: but there was this one off combat where they basically
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: had terminator type drones that went out there under their
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: own you know, they said, go here, this is the location.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: You do what you need to do and kill anybody
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: in this area. Wow.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty story, isn't it. That is wow. When
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: you don't have recon on the ground where you actually
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: know who the people are that are being like, you
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: have no way of guaranteeing that civilians are not being killed,
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: that's yeah, we're moving into terminated territory, which is But imagine,
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: as you said, though, imagine some bloke in the equivalent
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: of Adelaide to Darwin, but over there in the Ukraine Russia,
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: and he's sitting at his desk flying. He's drone, he's
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: got a cup of coffee and a salad sandwich and
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: one foot up on the desk and he's killing people.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: He's blowing stuff up. I wonder, I think I know
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: the answer to this, but I wonder how much of
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: a psychological and emotional disconnection there is because it's analogous
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: essentially to a video game.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: Really yeah, but you know what I was just thinking too, though,
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: you know, two or three hundred years ago, imagine a
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: person standing there with a very first rifle and he
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: didn't have to rush over and stab someone with a sword.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: He could stand at a distance with a machine where
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: he pointed that machine at someone and pressed the trigger
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: and the bullet did all the dirty work for him.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: Is this any different? I think someone preceded that, and
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: that was David and Golifet with his bloody sling shot
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: and a rock. He did all right, he slayed the
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: giant all that. But yeah, I know what you're saying saying.
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: I don't know, but you're right.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: There's a very different thing where the combatants are so
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: far away that they're you know, you've got your you know,
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: you've got your moccasins on and the doily with your
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: cup of coffee and all that sort of stuff.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: I do.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a long way away. And it's kind of
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: frightening to think that.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: Seems like that's the perfect job for a very coordinated,
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: ah highly trained, highly skilled sociopath. I feel like, yeah, yeah,
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: that dude's just going to go cool, killed three hundred
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: people today, winning Pumpy's fist in the air, and then
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: eat his dinner or her dinner, as the case may be.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: Yes, And the thing is that disconnect to the point
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: where it's just like playing a video game.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Zachary, AI models keep learning after training. Does
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: that mean they're kind of teaching themselves.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, But the wairy is that they're teaching themselves on
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: real crap that's out there as well. So when they
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: build what they call a large language model, they pour
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: all this data and they train AI on a large
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: language model. Now, it was thought by the researchers and
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: by the people who are building these AI that once
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: they stop pouring in the raw data, the learning effectively stops. Okay,
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: they've gone for primary school, they've gone to secondary school,
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: they leave, and then they stop learning. However, now it
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: seems that these data sets are still changing and they
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: actively reorganize themselves. And the thing is that the problem
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: and concern is if they keep learning, they're learning from
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: material interactions with people like you and me. So if
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: you use prompts and you say stupid things, I don't know,
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: we all say stupid things.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: In the fact that this is the whole basis of
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: our podcast.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: But the reality of it is they're learning from things
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: that they're hearing from people who are interacting from other sources,
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: from fake websites, you know, I use I use chat
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: GPT like I used to use Google, or I use
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: Gemini the way that I used to do with basic search,
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: and now this discovery kind of they're really challenges to cybersecurity,
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: corporate safety, all the things that you know potentially AI
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: could impact on because these AI agents, these ais that
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: are being used and now changing in ways that we
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: ever anticipated would be changed.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: The other day, Melissa sent me this. This won't mean
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: much to people, but I'll try and put it in
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: context so you get it. So one of my papers
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: that I did for my PhD mate is a systematic
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: literature reviews. So what that means is you say you'd
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: like for mine. It was the way that meta accuracy.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: So how good you are at judging how people perceive you,
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: that's meta accuracy, how good you are at it essentially,
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: So we were analyzing the way that that has been
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: done in different areas of psychology and what's effective and
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: the different models and the different protocols, and two can
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: we really measure this level of accuracy data the whole thing?
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: So what you do when you're doing a systematic literature
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: view is you find all the literature in the world,
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: all the papers all the research that intersects with what
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: you want to talk about, that plays a role or
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: that is in the same area slash field. So when
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: I did that, which was about four years ago, we're
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: at this stage. We came back with fourteen hundred and
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: three papers, right one, four hundred and three studies that
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: matched our search criteria. Then we had to and it's
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: a you have a research team, but obviously I'm the
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: lead authors, so you do most of it. But had
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: to read or at least part read, but quite a
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: lot of reading every single one of those one thy
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: four hundred and four papers to figure out whether or
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: not they actually met the need like they fell vaguely
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: in the ballpark. And it took me a year a
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: year to get that down to ninety three papers right
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: before we could then start to dive into those nine
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: only three papers to find out what we're trying to
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: find out. Anyway, the bottom line is that one paper,
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: that one research process took three years, maybe a little
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: bit longer, from the original search to it's now published
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: paper in an academic journal that was over three years now.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: Melissa sent me a thing the other day, and it's
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: that it's an AI and it's this one minute video
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: and it says, do a systematic literature review on whatever
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: it was. It might be on the efficacy of talk therapy,
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: like does it work, does it not work? Does it
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: work for everybody? Blah blah blah. So it does. It
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: does everything I just described in minutes, and it produces,
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: It produces a finished paper with all the references, all
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: the research, abstract, discussion, methodology, data, res results, future research direction, conclusion,
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: all the segments that you would have sections in an
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: actual paper. And then it submitted it. It submitted the
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: paper for publication. And it's like which so her and
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: I have been chatting about, like the future in how
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: on earth they are going to manage people moving forward
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: with higher education degrees, you know, honors, master's, PhD. That's
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: going to be a huge challenge because the universities have
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: zero chance at the minute anyway of controlling this. You know,
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: how important was it?
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: Can I ask a question, how important was it that
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: you read all of those?
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: Well? What you need to do? You can important important,
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: like you have to at least like sometimes you can
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: go to the methodology section, or you can the abstract
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: or the discussion or the conclusion like you're looking at
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: all of that. But there are some papers that I
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: read start to finish, and just to read that paper
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: start to finish is an hour like or more. So yeah,
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: you back then, but now now you could just go
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: you could type in, you could put in a paper
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: to chat or Claude or whoever or whatever, and this
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: is yeah, this new it's Claude. What's it called Claude research?
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: I think it's called Claude research. And yeah, you can
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: just I can put in a whole paper and say
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: does it meet these criteria one, two, three, and it'll
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: go no, these are the reason it's cool. But the
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: horse has bolted for me.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a kind of a similar example, but
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: nowhere nearer to the degree that you're talking about. So
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: I helped run a local book group. So we get
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: a book once a month and we read that book,
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: and then we get together and have a discussion on
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: the book. Now, one of my friends who's been in
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: the book group for ages, probably ten years, she admitted
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: recently that she hadn't read the book, and so what
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: she did was she got Chatters to do a synopsis,
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: pull out all the main points, all the things that happened,
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: and she read that synopsis, the in depth synopsis. Came
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: to the meeting sounding like she'd read the whole book
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: and admitted that she hadn't read it at all, and
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: AI had done the summary for her, and she had
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: all the points, she had all.
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: The characters worked out, she had the whole It's pretty funny.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: I guess I feel like I cheat sometimes because I
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: listened to the audiobook rather than read it. But I
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: don't think that's really cheating too much, do you not
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: at all?
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: I think for some people absorbing information, I think for
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: most absorbing information, if it's the same words you know
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: via listening versus reading, you take in more, you remember more.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: For me, it has more of an emotional impact, as
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: in it affects my nervous system more and everything, especially
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: if it's a well done audio book.
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: I listened to an amazing book recently with Sam Neil.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: You know, Sam went through the diagnosis and having him
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: read it to me was amazing. It was a couple
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: of points where I was crying mothing, So in that
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: case it was better to listen to Sam Neil talk
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: it through than to read his words on paper.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: I'd never heard an audiobook till about two years ago
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: because I'm like, oh, that's just ridiculous. Just read the
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: fucking book, don't be lazy. And then I reckon. I
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: listened to probably in the last two years, I reckon
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: sixty or seventy books I've listened to.
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: I'm constantly on the go, always, always.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: There's no for me. It's just I can go, I
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: can multitask, I can go for a walk, go to
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: the beach, do the things I need to do. Listen
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: to a book, or even listen to something like a
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: nonfiction book, you know, which is just research and science
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: but interesting. Yeah, I think it's for me. It's a
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: better learning option. Like I struggle to read and retain
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: I have to read it multiple times. Yes, I'm sure
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: I've got a little bit of ADHD because, like me,
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: trying to just focus on one thing and read that
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: and be totally present with that and not have any
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: kind of distraction. It ain't easy for me. Now, can
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: you focus on a book or not? I struggle.
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: I have to focus.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: I have to really reread pages sometimes, and even with
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: the audiobook, sometimes I backtrack a few minutes, not minutes,
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: a few seconds. I think did he just say that?
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: So go back back a few and then have another
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: listen again.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: Meta is charging a subscription for on device smart glasses features.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: This is well, this really pisces me off with technology Crago.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: So for people who went out and bought Teslas, there
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: are some features in Teslas that they're rolling out by subscription.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: So your car has certain functionality, but you can't use
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: that functionality unless you subscribe and met a smart glasses.
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: Right, so this has been really big.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: You know, all those people that are wearing the smart glasses,
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: they'll still be able to record people without them knowing.
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: They'll still be able to do all the fun things.
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: But certainly, like.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: Say, I don't endorse that previous component that was zak
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: as just in case anybody thought that I thought that
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: was a good idea, because it's not. No, So when
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: you buy these glasses, they talk about all the amazing
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: things you can do. And for me, who's traveled in countries,
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: a lot of countries where I don't speak the language,
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: the idea of having some glasses where I could talk
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: to somebody in a different language and have real time translation,
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: well that's not going to be available to people unless
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: they're a subscriber. So when someone buys the physical glasses
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: and you could be paying seven or eight hundred dollars
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: for them, it'll have the Bay six stuff, the recording,
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: the audio playback capability, but things like all the X,
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: the lovely features, the fun features, real time visual translation,
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: spatial orientation recognition.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: A friend of mine who's.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: Visually impaired visually impaired, he's blind, he uses the smart
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: glasses to describe the world around him. Where you've got
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: to pay a description for those things, there'll be a
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: digital paywall. So could you imagine you're halfway through a
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: conversation and you're expires It's like, what the hell?
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: I'm at the UN conference.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: I'm in the middle of very intense diplomatic relations and
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: the smart glasses subscription just expired.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: Do they Yeah? That sucks. Do they do that also
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: with Tesla? Where because I know they have, because it's
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: essentially a computer with four wheels and a great big battery.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: Do people have to pay? It feels funny after you've
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: bought the product, other than servicing and all of that,
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: to have to keep paying. Yeah, well, but I guess
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: as they upgrade it. It's a different car. I don't know.
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but this is interesting.
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: So Tesla basically has transitioned most of its driver assist
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: features to a subscription only model. Okay, so basic autopilot,
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: so lane centering, auto steering on the new model three
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: and y vehicles, and now forcing buyers to purchase the
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: ninety nine dollars a month full self driving supervised subscription plans.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: So you get the basic stuff. If you want the
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: fun things, you've got to pay for it. And that's
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: ninety nine bucks a month. That's a lot of money
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: when you've just bought ar Worth, you know, seventy eighty
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: ninety thousand dollars.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: Well you've just now you've got twelve hundred bucks a
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: year that you didn't have last year. And your time's
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: that by however, many Tesla owners, Yeah, that's some sweet
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: gravy for Tesla. It is.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: It is, indeed, and one of the little things I
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: wanted to talk about. So I can't wear my smart
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: watch to bed. I would love to know some of
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: the analytics of whether I'm sleeping well and what my
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: heart rate's doing. And so I've looked at a few
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: of the rings that are out there, smart rings and
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: One of the first smart rings that came out was
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: the Aura ring, and the new ones just come out
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: and it is thinner. It's basically the size of a
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: standard ring, so it's really really really high tech. It's
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: physically they've reduced it by forty percent, which is staggering.
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of tech going into that. But they're
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: doing the same thing.
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: They're going for the subscription model, so you get the
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: basic stuff, but if you want the analytical information and
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: all the other advanced things that go into it, you're
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: going to.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: Have to pay for that.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: And this is the thing that really is is difficult
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: now when it comes to purchasing any tech device because
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: if you're on a subscription only plan and the subscription
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: runs out or you don't want to keep paying for it,
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: you know what, this product I wanted to work, I
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: don't have to pay for extra crap to go with it.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: Do you ever worry about having technology on your skin
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: that is inter with your physiology? So clearly there's something
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: from that phone or from that wrist watch or whatever
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: that is drawing something out of your body like that.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: Whatever that is, I don't understand what it is, but
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: whatever that process is I worry when I see those people,
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: which is a lot of people who've got the smart watch,
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: whichever one Apple watch, and then underneath it you can
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: see this red light glowing out between the back of
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: the watch and their wrist, Like so if all the
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: lights were off, you just see all these fucking red
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: lights glowing off someone's wrist. And that scares me, Like,
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: I worry about what is happening, And I don't think.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, maybe nothing's happening.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: That's a subdermal kind of weight to see what your
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: blood vessels are doing, that's all it is.
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: It might be your pulse, it's more.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: But when it's also tracking sleep and all of that,
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: it's a lot more than that.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: Oh no, you're right, you said it's not's not taking
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: anything away, it's getting analytical information. And yes, we're voluntarily
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: giving this data away. What does Apple do with that?
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: What does Garment do with that?
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: I'm not worried about that. I'm worried about the physiological
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: human body, Like what is having what's having that technology
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: pressed against your skin, like literally against your skin, because
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: something like there's something happening some kind of two way
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: exchange between the biology, physiology and three way exchange technology.
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: Like I remember they used to say do not hold
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: your phone against your head.
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: That yeah, and there.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: Was whether or not this is true, but there was
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: alleged research done at the behest of a very well
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: known phone company. Ah, not Apple, but yeah, and apparently
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: the research came back and it was not good, and
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: so they just shelved all of it. So they paid
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: the researchers and went, you know, put that in the
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: bin and see you later. Because they were doing it
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: because they were trying to prove that having a phone
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: against your head was totally safe. Now it isn't true.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: It sounds true.
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: But the thing is, this is our history DDT.
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: That'd be fantastic if we sprayed that in the streets
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: and got rid of all the insects and things.
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: That causes problems. You know, we see this all the time.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: We don't know what the impact of our close proximity
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: to technology is going to be like, which is.
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: Why I think us civilians should jump up and down
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: a little bit and go, hang on, how do you
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: know that having this against my skin over the long
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: term does not produce any bad consequences? Yeah, you know,
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: like even and I'm not an anti vaxxer, but just
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: even to probably not a pro vax or either, depending
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: on what vaccine we're talking about, but even just to
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: question it, people were us labeled morons and oh you
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: it's like okay, cool though, cool, Fine, show me the
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: data on you know, children being given these vaccines and
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: show me the unequivocal proof that there can't be any damage.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: Well that doesn't exist. Also show me the long term
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: data and testing on on the COVID vaccine. Well, there
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: isn't any because they developed it in less than a
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: year and as they really Yeah, and I'm not all
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: it's not about covid or vaccines. It's about the fact
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: that when somebody that we think has our best interests,
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: or at the very least knows, we go, oh, okay,
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: it's safe because some fucking organization told me it's safe.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: You know, like thlidimide. How many women were given that
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: to have absolutely horrendous consequences for the baby and themselves
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: And that was a thing. No, that's what you do,
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: that's what you take. You know, it's like crazy.
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: I agree, you know, wouldn't it be great if we
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: had a material that you could put in houses that
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: was for fire retardant that wouldn't burn.
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: That'd be great.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: You put it in the eaves of houses, you could
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: put it in the walls and then it wouldn't burn.
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: It to'd be great. Oh what a minute as best
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: as Yeah.
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: That's not that good.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, that's an interesting hindsight is a wonderful thing.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: Actually, that's a project, isn't it not. Imagine if the
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: external material that couldn't burn like on you know, if
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: you could build a house that the fire could go
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: past it and it was untouched, that'd be good. There's
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: a there's a market for you. You've got some spare time,
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: why don't you do some researchers, Brands using AI generated
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: influences are now promoting products on social media.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: It's harder to recognize now it's getting worrisome. So what's
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: happening is that AI is being used to try to
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: influence people and so people who are brand marketing.
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: So you know, there's lots of influencers out there.
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: You know, it's someone who looks great and they're talking
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: about they do a product unboxing, and you know it's
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: all exciting, the building up, the excitement of the product unboxing. Well,
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: now they're using AI agents to do all of this stuff,
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: hyper realistic, doing all things that a human being would
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: be doing, and brands are now just getting AI generated
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: people to do this. Some of them are with consent,
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: so in some cases they use real influencers and they're
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: kind of copying them and doing it this way. But
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: in other cases they're not, they're not getting permission, or
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: they're they're just generating something that's totally totally fake.
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: But that's been done all the time.
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: I was on someone's website recently and they had all
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: these testimonials and I thought, a they were models. So
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: you can tell straightaway that testimonials were models, and you think, well,
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: none of this is actually real. This is a fake
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: site that's been put together for somebody, and none of
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: the content in there are actually real people. You know,
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: whether you Google review is a fake review or whether
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: it happens to be a testimonial on a website. So
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: I guess it's being done to one degree or another.
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: And it's just the AI age means that you can
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: now fake people and do that as well.
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, it's like with movie reviews on
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: Rotten Tomatoes. Yeah, you read the review and it's like,
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: oh I love this series. It was Dada Da and
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: it was a movie. I'm like, it wasn't a series,
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: it was a movie. I've just thought of a new
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: title for you. You are now like we're talking about influencers.
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: You could be Australia's number one tai Chi influencer. I
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: think there's an opening. I think that spot's available. She
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: could be that guy. Yeah, or just wheel you out.
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: I'm going to start calling you that from now on.
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: All right, let's do two more breakfast. You pick the
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: do you want me to pick them? Or you pick them? O?
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: Look, I don't mind, I'm you go for it. Look
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: if you say, all.
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: Right, what about what about? Let me have a look? Uz.
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: Okay, I've got one that I want to talk about first.
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: All right, then I'll do this.
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: Driving a manual car lights up your brain region more
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: than driving an auto. And this is definitive, and this
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: is amazing. So a good friend of mine, she's in
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: her sixties, and she needed to buy a new car.
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: So she bought a red WRX. So sixty five year old,
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: sixty six year old woman driving around a WRX such
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: a hoon car but the reason.
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: For people who don't know, that's a Subaru high Performance,
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: that'll four door sedan, ittle fucking pocket rocket thing.
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and it's red. It's it's red that makes
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: it go faster. And so she bought this. But the
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: reason she bought it is because she couldn't find another
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: manual car to purchase.
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: She wanted to drive a manual. She enjoys it.
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: And I do enjoy driving a manual.
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: Not when I'm in Adelaide and my best mate says, oh,
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: let you drive to the other side of Adelaide. Not
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: knowing where I'm going in a manual car made a
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: big difference. Interestingly, I hadn't driven amount I reckon for
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: about ten years.
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: How is Emmanuel? Oh very.
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: My arm's name, my car manual. His middle name was
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: a manual and he changed it. Have I told you
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: the story about that? So my twin brother, okay, on
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: a totally different tangent. I've got an identical twin brother.
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: What if I said, yes, you've met Paul, haven't you scary?
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: He looks just like me, except he's nowhere near his
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: hyper But when we were kids, I used to enter
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: competitions constantly. I love doing all the competitions in the paper,
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: and when a letter would arrive.
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: I used to love getting letters in the mail.
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: It would be P.
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: Banello and my brother, whose name is Paul, would open
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: my mail saying I thought it was for me, even
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: my pacelips when I worked at Cole's. So he'd opened
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: my mail. So then I started using my middle name James.
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: So PJ.
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: Banello he changed his middle name from a manual to
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: John and then said, oh, that's my middle name too,
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: so PJ.
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: Beronello must be for me. And then he kept opening
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: my mail.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: Did he do it legally or just did he do
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: it at home?
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: He did it at home. Anybody can do that. Though.
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: Actually that's a good point whether or not he's he
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: did it. I don't think he changed it by It's
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: called deed pole, isn't it When you change it, Yeah,
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: you go through the whole process.
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: Well, I have a manual cars while we're talking about,
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: and I love it. It's good fun to drive a
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: little six speed. It's like a go kart my car. Yeah, yeah,
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: I enjoy the engagement and I enjoyed driving. You brought
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: another car a year ago, sorry, but like a big
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: fancy fucking thing that drives itself around corners and parks
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: itself in the garage. And I sold it because I
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: did beautiful car. I just don't enjoy driving it. I
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: feel like I'm the passenger, not the driver. I feel
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: like it's in charge.
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: There was a Japanese scientist by the name of Kawashima
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: who worked for Nintendo, and he was the guy behind
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: the brain Age video game franchise. I remember people doing
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: brain training a lot.
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: So he's the guy that was leading this research into
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: automatic cars and manual cars versus automatic and he was
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: saying that the traditional manual transmission provides a really powerful
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: cognitive workout that you just don't get with automatic cars.
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: So just switching gears. It's interesting.
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: I liked driving a manual because it also I always
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: remember someone telling me it gives you respect for what
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: the engine's doing when you've got to use a.
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: Mess last one for the chat. People are going offline
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: because the Internet got boring. I don't know about that.
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: It's fucking interesting the internet, But why are people what
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: is that about? Well?
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: There, it's just it's a research paper or bit of
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: a study that's been done by an organization called Cooperative Agency,
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: and they say that there's been a real shift globally
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: where people are disconnecting from the Internet. They're pushing away
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: from digital spaces because they're finding a lot of the
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: stuff they're seeing is becoming uninspiring and repetitive. And I've
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: got to say, I find I mean, I do a
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  Speaker 2: bit of a scribby scroll in my YouTube reels, and
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: I'm doing it as much. I'm finding I'm just getting
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: the same old crap all the time. So whether it's
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: my algorithm is kind of feeding me back how boring
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: I am, I don't know, but I'm struggling a little
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: bit with that now and I'm finding more joy and
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: analog I'm going away overnight, by the way, and I'm
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: taking two books with me, and that's my going away
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: thing for myself.
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: I don't know that the IDHD boy is going to
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: go very well with books. But anyway, you know what's
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: funny but true but also ironic is people that talk
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: about the dangers of social media. On social media, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, do you realize what you're doing right now
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  Speaker 1: using the platform that you're telling people they shouldn't use.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, mate, How can people find you and come and
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: stretch and bend and do very slow shit with you?
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: How can they do that? Well?
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  Speaker 2: You actually go to my website, so tied she at
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  Speaker 2: home dot com today.
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  Speaker 3: You you were asking earlier.
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  Speaker 2: One of the exercises that I would recommend you go
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: and check out on my website is called chen bar
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  Speaker 2: chun and it's a very basic exercise. Hang on, just
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: go down, oh man, yeah, right on, y Yeah, he's
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: got his glasses balanced on the end of his nose.
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  Speaker 1: Do you want me to write this ship down and
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: actually engage or do you just want me to swe
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: over it?
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: Well, jen zip your quill into the ink and start
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: right in the Grandpa.
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  Speaker 1: I'm actually just pushing the chisel into the slate. Yes, Freed,
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  Speaker 1: tell me what it's called? Chen bart chen bar b.
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  Speaker 3: A r chun h u n.
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  Speaker 2: And you go to tai Chi at home dot com
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  Speaker 2: tod a U And I think Fritz is with me
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  Speaker 2: as well, and we do the exercise together.
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  Speaker 1: Is he a fully qualified practitioner? Oh?
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, he's got a black belt and they can do.
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  Speaker 1: Hit me too. Alright, mate, it's been good. I appreciate you,
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  Speaker 1: big boys. See you next time.