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55KRC Tuesday Show - Charlie Luken, Smitherman, Greg Hand, Tom Z, Steve Goodin, Breitbart, Deep Dive, and The American Dream · Brian Thomas

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Speaker 1: Five O five fifty five KRC the talk station.
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Speaker 2: The two series some six.
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Speaker 3: Hopefully will a vacation, no idea, what's going on?
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Speaker 4: Thanks for summing it up for the world there tally
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Speaker 4: appreciate it. Thank you Joe Checker for the SoundBite and
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Speaker 4: producing the program of lining up great guests today. Brian
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Speaker 4: Thomas right here, glad to be and always uh interested
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Speaker 4: in welcome phone calls here in the fifty five KRSE
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Speaker 4: Morning Show. Somebody you want to talk about like the
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Speaker 4: deafening silence from since a council members an executive session yesterday,
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Speaker 4: Feel free five one, three, seven, four, nine, fifty five hundred,
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Speaker 4: eight hundred and eighty two to three talk Pound five
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Speaker 4: fifty on at and t fum. Of course, going to
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Speaker 4: get to that topic today, especially since Christopher Smithmen returns
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Speaker 4: at six thirty to assess wonder what happened behind closed
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Speaker 4: doors yesterday. Charlie Luken precedes Christopher. Charlie's going to join
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Speaker 4: the program at six so five, former mayor of the
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Speaker 4: City of Cincinnati and of course former board member on
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Speaker 4: the Railroad board who really pushed for the sale of
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Speaker 4: the railroad, says there's a lot of money coming in
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Speaker 4: a whole lot more than they anticipated. Sitting on eighty
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Speaker 4: five million or so dollars, why have they only spent
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Speaker 4: five percent of it? Charlie critical He came out speaking
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Speaker 4: with The Inquirer, and there was an article posted upon
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Speaker 4: that or about that about his well dismay over the
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Speaker 4: lack of money flowing out and actually getting projects started.
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Speaker 4: The city, for its part, claims that the money has
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Speaker 4: been allocated, it't just hasn't been spent. So I talked
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Speaker 4: to Charlie after the show yesterday recorded that and we'll
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Speaker 4: run that interview at six zh five again, followed by
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Speaker 4: Christopher Smithman at six thirty. Greg Hand Greg Han, he's
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Speaker 4: the local historian. Interesting guy, proprietor of the Cincinnati Curiosities blog,
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Speaker 4: retired from the UC as the head of public Relations office.
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Speaker 4: Prior to that, he was editor of the Washington Western
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Speaker 4: Hills Press. West said, in addition to the blog, he
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Speaker 4: contributes regularly to Cincinnati Magazine and presents entertaining history chats
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Speaker 4: in bars through a program called Stand Up History. Also
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Speaker 4: author of the Cincinnti Curiosities published by the History Press.
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Speaker 4: We've got a lot of parallels to apparently draw between
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Speaker 4: Cincinnati in twenty twenty six and nineteen twenty six, How
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Speaker 4: on the how do you link those two up? Well,
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Speaker 4: apparently that was the year that we had a massive
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Speaker 4: change in government, moving away from the Boss Cox era.
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Speaker 4: The obviously political machine that Boss Cox was had a
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Speaker 4: reform party elected. I thought it was kind of funny
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Speaker 4: get this quote, nineteen nineteen twenty six, the highways of
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Speaker 4: the city were in a deplorable condition. This is at
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Speaker 4: the start of the new wave of political control in
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Speaker 4: the city. The highways of the city were in a
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Speaker 4: deplorable condition and cried allowed for repairs. Lack of care
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Speaker 4: and funds to repair such conditions had not been forthcoming
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Speaker 4: management and the allotment of funds for specific repairs needed
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Speaker 4: readjusting before order could come out of chaotic conditions. Yeah, said,
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Speaker 4: it's a slight parallel what's going on. I also mentioned
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Speaker 4: the streetcar in the public transportation system, So apparently there
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Speaker 4: is a lot to compare between the city then and now.
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Speaker 4: So Greg is going to take on that in the studio.
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Speaker 4: Should be funny and informative. Got a couple of events
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Speaker 4: coming up we'll talk about with Greg as well. The
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Speaker 4: return out of Tom Zawastowski. We heard from him last
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Speaker 4: week and hear from him this week. We the People
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Speaker 4: Convention dot orgs's website. We got some state topics to
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Speaker 4: talk about Ohio and Minnesota. Smalley Daycare fraud link. Youet
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Speaker 4: a lot of fraud out there and sadly enough, on
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Speaker 4: that note, frightening amounts. On Sunday, judgry Segary Scott Assent
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Speaker 4: revealed the bad information for fraud, waste and abuse totals
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Speaker 4: three hundred to six hundred billion dollars a year based
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Speaker 4: on Government Accountability Office the mints of fraud losses, which
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Speaker 4: equal about ten percent of the federal budget. GAO figures,
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Speaker 4: it's up to six hundred billion dollars a year lost
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Speaker 4: to fraud, waste and abuse. So we can get rid
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Speaker 4: of this fraud wasted abuse. We can finance a safer,
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Speaker 4: sounder the United States without taking on more debt. Yeah,
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Speaker 4: and to Jay out there, it was last week, I guess.
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Speaker 4: In the wake of what's going on in Minnesota and
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Speaker 4: the allegations of comparable fraud wasted abuse in the state
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Speaker 4: of Ohio, state Aunitor Keith Faber announced a new section
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Speaker 4: of the auditor's website that allows you members of the
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Speaker 4: public to report tips about potential fraud involving public benefits.
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Speaker 4: Favor in his statement last week's we want to make
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Speaker 4: sure that the public resources that are supposed to be
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Speaker 4: helping the most valuable among us are not lining up
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Speaker 4: the pockets of crooks. We welcome anyone with evidence of
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Speaker 4: crime that involves public funds that contact us. We take
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Speaker 4: these allegations very seriously, scrutinize any evidence of wrongdoing, hold
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Speaker 4: people accountable for their actions. Are you a member of
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Speaker 4: government so you could call Signal ninety nine or report
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Speaker 4: the shenanigans there, or if it evolves fraud, wasting, abuse,
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Speaker 4: let Favor know through the website. M Josh Williams, Republican
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Speaker 4: State rep. Said, it have been multiple reports of fraud
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Speaker 4: and publicly funded childcare programs. We also have that whole
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Speaker 4: pesky medicaid the fraud thing going on in the state
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Speaker 4: of Ohio, so let's try to get on top of that.
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Speaker 4: At least Favor is aware of it. We've got roped
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Speaker 4: into the Minnesota allegations and given the Ascent comment that
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Speaker 4: ten percent of everything's being stolen, I imagine this is
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Speaker 4: a problem that exists throughout the United States of America.
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Speaker 4: I know the Trump administration is expanding efforts to investigate
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Speaker 4: all this. How many federal investigators do we have and
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Speaker 4: how much fraud, waste and abuses out there? The key
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Speaker 4: to the problem. We spend too much money in the
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Speaker 4: federal government, so much so that it's impossible to keep
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Speaker 4: track of it. If you kept track of it before
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Speaker 4: it goes out the door. Here's a thought, you have
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Speaker 4: really tight controls before it goes out the door. You
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Speaker 4: don't need to recreate an evidentiary chain to show how
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Speaker 4: what ultimately went out the door ended up lining the
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Speaker 4: pockets of people who engaged in fraud. Just a thought,
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Speaker 4: little extra effort upfront saves people a lot of money
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Speaker 4: down the road. So what do we got there? That's
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Speaker 4: Tom's alis dawsk He'll also comment on BVIC for governor
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Speaker 4: and his running mate. For those who didn't listen, yesterday,
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Speaker 4: vive Ramaswamy joined the fifty five Case Mornings show. You
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Speaker 4: can find that podcast at fifty five care Sea dot com.
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Speaker 4: Inside Scoop it is Tuesday. Get the Inside Scoop at
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Speaker 4: Bright Barton News every Tuesday at eight oh five. The
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Speaker 4: return today at John Carney, we talked about the price
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Speaker 4: of gas and oil. Is the economy booming? Rhetorical question?
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Speaker 4: According to a tweet by Trump yesterday, welcome to reality.
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Speaker 4: Gas price continue to plumb a nationwide. Now forty three
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Speaker 4: US dates feature average gas prices under three dollars a gallon. Huh, Well,
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Speaker 4: that's good news, isn't it. There are a few states
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Speaker 4: that don't have low gas prices, and yes, all but
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Speaker 4: one is run by Democrats Alaska, I guess and oh
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Speaker 4: I'm sorry too. Alaska and Nevada are the only ones
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Speaker 4: run by Republican governor. The balance of the high gas
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Speaker 4: price states California, Hawaii, Nevada, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Washington.
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Speaker 1: There you go.
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Speaker 4: So that topic with John Carney again eight h five,
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Speaker 4: followed by the Daniel Davis Deep dive, get the latest
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Speaker 4: from the Iran situation Venezuela and apparently Russia Baum Ukraine
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Speaker 4: the other day with what was described as a hypersonic weapon.
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Speaker 4: And then finally, Dusty Roads returns former Ammon County Auto
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Speaker 4: Dusty Roads, how do property taxes work? And Cann's schools,
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Speaker 4: zoos and first responders survive without them? M you know,
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Speaker 4: it's an interesting reality. We got this big year for
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Speaker 4: the election. A lot of people concerned about property taxes.
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Speaker 4: Talked to Zach Haynes the other day running for Senate
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Speaker 4: among other candidates, what do you do about property taxes?
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Speaker 4: Something needs to be done, and it's got to be
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Speaker 4: done this year because you remember, there's that ballot initiative
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Speaker 4: out there which is seeking to, you know, by virtue
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Speaker 4: of a constitutional amendment outlaw the collection of property taxes
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Speaker 4: in the state. And I know you know that I
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Speaker 4: always end up chuckling behind my comments when I say
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Speaker 4: that out loud because of the Charlie foxtrot that's going
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Speaker 4: to result if property taxes are eliminated by virtue of
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Speaker 4: a ballot initiative. Columbus is not prepared to deal with
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Speaker 4: that challenge. We've got all this time, you know, kind
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Speaker 4: of going back to the Republicans in Congress not doing
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Speaker 4: anything to provide a better alternative to Obamacare for the
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Speaker 4: last several years. Then we run up to this deadline
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Speaker 4: where subsidies are going to be extended, COVID era subsidies,
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Speaker 4: making the Democrats very happy, but they need to take
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Speaker 4: the whim out of the sales of the Democrats what
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Speaker 4: seems to be only argument as we approach November, which
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Speaker 4: is the increasing cost of all Obamacare, brought about by
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Speaker 4: of course, the cost of medical care generally speaking. Now,
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Speaker 4: the Republicans could have just attacked that over the past
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Speaker 4: several years, come up with some good ideas that we
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Speaker 4: could all embrace. Maybe the problem go away. But no,
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Speaker 4: a lot of wheel spinning going on. So it's a constant.
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Speaker 4: It's a common phenomenon that spreads across, of course, federal
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Speaker 4: government and state government. Heel dragging. So property tax is
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Speaker 4: a huge issue as we move into November. What's Dusty
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Speaker 4: say about it? Dusty joins the program at eight forty
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Speaker 4: five to talk about the course tomorrow. Jack Addan and
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Speaker 4: Judg Jennen of Politano five worn three, seven four nine fifty,
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Speaker 4: five hundred, eight hundred and eight to two three talk
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Speaker 4: found five fifty on at and T phones. Yeah, what
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Speaker 4: did they talk about yesterday? Oh my god, behind closed
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Speaker 4: doors yesterday went to executive Council. They didn't have to
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Speaker 4: go to executive session the since a council members. This
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Speaker 4: of course regarding the Hinton family proposed settlement which broke
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Speaker 4: over the week, and of course the topic of conversation
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Speaker 4: last week with Ken Cober signaled ninety nine and of
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Speaker 4: course widely reported in the Enchoirir. We even had some
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Speaker 4: comments from councilman Jeff Cameronon and Seth Walsh, like, what
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Speaker 4: in the hell are you talking about? There's a settlement
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Speaker 4: discussion going on. I'm appalled and I'm shocked to find
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Speaker 4: gambling going on in here. No lawsuit filed by the
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Speaker 4: Hitton family. Why would they be discussing settlement? Apparently it's
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Speaker 4: been going on since last year. A court of the
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Speaker 4: Hinton family attorney mister Fannin, who said they've been discussing
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Speaker 4: stuff since last summer, so what do they.
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Speaker 1: Do about it?
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Speaker 4: They met behind closed doors a couple of hours worth.
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Speaker 4: What was discussed Scott Wartman's quote from the inquire what
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Speaker 4: was discussed in a more than two hour long executive
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Speaker 4: session since any council members wouldn't say, filing past reporters
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Speaker 4: and refusing to talk h Of course we heard from
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Speaker 4: the comments last week's city manager to share along said
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Speaker 4: that they haven't reached a settlement agreement. Family attorney seem
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Speaker 4: to be outraged over the suggestion that some million dollars
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Speaker 4: settlement was being discussed. That's news to me. That would
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Speaker 4: be really a He would be really excited if that
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Speaker 4: was actually the figures being discussed. Maybe it's something less
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Speaker 4: than a million dollars, which is the only thing he
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Speaker 4: hung us out on in an effort to deflate that
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Speaker 4: this is actually going on, Ken Cober, FOP President, Why
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Speaker 4: would you do this in executive session? Does the public
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Speaker 4: not have the right to know how their tax dollars
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Speaker 4: being spent? Great rhetorical question there, Ken, Yes, we do.
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Speaker 4: Spokeswoman for the city manager, what do you think? She said?
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Speaker 4: Decline comment. City manager hasn't released any information beyond the
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Speaker 4: statement regarding the negotiations with the Hitting family, which isn't basically, yeah,
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Speaker 4: we're in negotiations, but we're not telling you anything. Why
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Speaker 4: no comment? Why can't we know? Do they want to
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Speaker 4: put the seal on the deal and get everything squared
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Speaker 4: away before you and I get any information?
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Speaker 1: Is that fair? Is that right?
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Speaker 3: And?
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Speaker 4: For what I learned the other day, sounds to me
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Speaker 4: like the city solicitor reporting of the city manager. Solicitors
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Speaker 4: got the power and authority to settle these matters on
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Speaker 4: their own. So council apparently not even going to get
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Speaker 4: a word in terms of whether they approve of it
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Speaker 4: or not. Will any of them go on record keep
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Speaker 4: your popcorn out? Odds are No. Five seventeen Right now,
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Speaker 4: I fifty five k see de talk station Feelford to
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Speaker 4: give me a call me right back after these brief.
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Speaker 1: Words WKRC censor.
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Speaker 4: She always plans on and hopes to, as does our
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Speaker 4: dog Liam, to take the dog out in the morning,
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Speaker 4: because she gets up early and we'll take the dog
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Speaker 4: to the park. And she's got a degree cut off.
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Speaker 4: If it's colder than then she will not go out.
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Speaker 4: And guess what nineteen degrees is colder than. Poor Liam
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Speaker 4: can always tell what he hasn't gone out. When I
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Speaker 4: get home in the morning, he's got a lot more
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Speaker 4: spring at his step. I come home when he's spent
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Speaker 4: out for the morning run, he's curled up into all
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Speaker 4: sound asleep anyway. Five one, three, seven, four, nine fifty
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Speaker 4: five eighty eight two three talk is Trump's bluff been
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Speaker 4: called in so far as Iran is concerned. And now
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Speaker 4: this past Friday, after he met with the oil executives,
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Speaker 4: he was talking about the Iranian leadership and threatening him
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Speaker 4: not to kill a protest or, saying I made a
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Speaker 4: statement that very very strongly that if they start killing
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Speaker 4: people like they have in the past, we will get involved.
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Speaker 4: We will be hitting them very hard and where it hurts.
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Speaker 4: And that doesn't mean boots on the ground, but it
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Speaker 4: means hitting them very very hard where it hurts. There
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Speaker 4: have been similar comments about that. I tell the Iranian leaders,
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Speaker 4: you better not start shooting, because we'll start shooting too.
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Speaker 4: And that's another statement later that he made. So we've
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Speaker 4: had these and now we're up to maybe six hundred
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Speaker 4: deaths widely reported somewhere between six hundred and two thousand,
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Speaker 4: depending on who you're listening to. That's the death toll
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Speaker 4: against the Iranian protesters. The Iranians said there's starting to
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Speaker 4: put a lid and crack down on them. I'm not
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Speaker 4: quite sure. They cut off the internet access, which makes
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Speaker 4: getting information out of iron extraordinarily difficult. But what of
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Speaker 4: this military action extremely complicated, you know, you could look
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Speaker 4: into give a serious potential for escalating into a full
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Speaker 4: blown conflict. They are a much larger nation, better equipped militarily,
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Speaker 4: I guess than say something like Venezuela. They've threatened to
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Speaker 4: shoot at military bases in the Middle East, if we
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Speaker 4: launch an attack. They've threatened Israel, of course they have.
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Speaker 4: So it looks like we're getting ready to get in
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Speaker 4: a shooting a shooting war. If Trump makes good on
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Speaker 4: his yet, we are going to react and respond militarily.
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Speaker 4: A lot of questions been swirling around that, like, for example,
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Speaker 4: Ran Paul, who's against the idea of this, saying, listen,
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Speaker 4: we can't support and ensure freedom every country around the world.
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Speaker 4: But he asked this rhetorical question, how do you drop
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Speaker 4: a bomb in the middle of a crowd or a
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Speaker 4: protest and protect the people there. Yeah, militarily speaking, it
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Speaker 4: could compound matters. So Trump just yet yesterday decided he
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Speaker 4: was going to slap a twenty five percent tariff on
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Speaker 4: any country doing business with Iran, kind of sending some
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Speaker 4: warning signals because that would include China, compounding and complicating
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Speaker 4: international matters. So further endeavoring to undermine Iranian's economy, which
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Speaker 4: is the reason that people are protesting in the streets.
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Speaker 4: Regime change in this particular case, if it comes about,
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Speaker 4: is going to be a consequence of their currency being
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Speaker 4: well watered it down to the point of valuelessness. Of course,
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Speaker 4: the tariffs that have already been placed in the country,
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Speaker 4: are causing some serious economic challenges for them, and the
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Speaker 4: people are obviously upset about it, even burning down mosques.
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Speaker 4: But insofar as tarifts are concerned, Trump said the obvious
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Speaker 4: the other day talking about the Supreme Court, which is
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Speaker 4: reviewing whether or not he has the power to impose
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Speaker 4: reciprocal tariffs on these various countries, saying, if the Supreme
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Speaker 4: Court rules against the United States of America on this
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Speaker 4: national security of bonanza, we are screwed. All caps, We're screwed,
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Speaker 4: saying the actual numbers we would have to pay back
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Speaker 4: if for any reason the Supreme Court would rule against
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Speaker 4: the United States of America on tariffs would be many
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Speaker 4: hundreds of billions of dollars. And that doesn't include the
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Speaker 4: amount of payback that countries and companies would require for
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Speaker 4: the investments they're planning on building plants, factories, equipment for
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Speaker 4: the purposes of being able to avoid payment of the tariffs. Now,
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Speaker 4: that's one decent point he made. Now say what you
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Speaker 4: want about the tariffs legal illegal. He used them to
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Speaker 4: encourage investment in the United States of America, and with
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Speaker 4: really good result. We've got foreign countries promising billions and
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Speaker 4: billions of investments. Why to get out of the tariffs.
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Speaker 4: That's a negotiated resolution, and I would say a fairly
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Speaker 4: positive one. If we're going to get billions of investment
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Speaker 4: from foreign countries, that's jobs and investment in the United
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Speaker 4: States of America, which in yours, of course, stating the
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Speaker 4: obvious to our financial benefit, pull the tariffs. You've pulled
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Speaker 4: the negotiated agreement. That would undo a lot of enthusiasm
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Speaker 4: and a lot of positivity that has been brought about
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Speaker 4: as a consequence of the tariff. So kind of sitting
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Speaker 4: on the edge here waiting for the Supreme Court. But
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Speaker 4: you know you cannot deny again, going back to whether
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Speaker 4: or not they're legal. If they are deemed illegal, it
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Speaker 4: is going to be outrageous to undo it, crazy, outrageous.
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Speaker 4: about him today coming up at six thirty after the
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Speaker 4: closed door session from Sincee City Council with none of
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Speaker 4: the Council's, the city manager, aftab Purvle, or anyone uttering
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Speaker 4: a syllable about what happened during that meeting involving the
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Speaker 4: Henny Settlement or the Hinton settlement negotiations over the phone.
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Speaker 4: See what Tom's got this morning, Tom, Happy Tuesday, Thanks
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Speaker 4: for calling.
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Speaker 5: Hey, good morning, and start off with some congratulations. My
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Speaker 5: granddaughter had her first child last night, so I am
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Speaker 5: now officially a great grandfather.
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Speaker 4: Graduation and that's a milestone. I'm still waiting for news
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Speaker 4: that I'm going to be a grandfather.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, You're going to love it.
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Speaker 4: I know I'm going to I know, I'm yeah, it'll
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Speaker 4: give me something to do in retirement.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I've always said if I've always said, if I
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Speaker 5: knew how much drains ungrain edds were, I would have
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Speaker 5: had them first. So but it just doesn't work out
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Speaker 5: that way.
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Speaker 4: So you know that kids are like boats. You know,
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Speaker 4: the best boat is your friend's boat because you get
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Speaker 4: to use it, but then you don't have to take
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Speaker 4: care of it the expense of it. Grandchildren, that's best
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Speaker 4: babies to have around, you know.
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Speaker 1: Here take them back.
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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I'm just here for fun. And and you know,
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Speaker 5: the dynamic. I was talking to my mother in law
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Speaker 5: the other day about the dynamic of you know, when
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Speaker 5: you're when you're the parent, you're paring and young children
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Speaker 5: and you got grandparents around. There's always that pension and
19:37
Speaker 5: you know, keep in mind, these are my kids, not yours,
19:40
Speaker 5: you know, and you know, and and there's always that
19:42
Speaker 5: back and forth stuff. And then now I get to
19:45
Speaker 5: I get to experience it from the other side that
19:47
Speaker 5: I'm the grandparent and I've got to reassure I I
19:50
Speaker 5: got we got one of our kids and his wife
19:53
Speaker 5: and their little daughter living with us. So anyway, So
19:58
Speaker 5: it's it's definitely, it's definitely awesome worth whatever trouble we
20:01
Speaker 5: have to go through. Grant kids are great so and
20:04
Speaker 5: kids are great too. Anyway, just real quick, you're talking
20:09
Speaker 5: about accountability, and we keep bringing this up and talking
20:11
Speaker 5: about this as the elections come up. We need to
20:14
Speaker 5: be looking for people who are, like you said, not
20:17
Speaker 5: only willing to put accountability measures in to begin with,
20:22
Speaker 5: but are willing to put their foot down and say no,
20:25
Speaker 5: you cross the line and something has to be done
20:27
Speaker 5: about it. I don't think if you've grouped all those
20:30
Speaker 5: people together, I don't think go find a Democrat in
20:33
Speaker 5: the bunch of them. So as always, folks don't vote Democrat.
20:36
Speaker 4: Have a great day, Brian, you too, Tom, and congratulations
20:39
Speaker 4: again five.
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Speaker 1: Two to three talk.
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Speaker 4: Yes, the case got continued again the trial for Alexander Travinsky,
20:46
Speaker 4: the slap guy in the Major beatdown last July. The
20:50
Speaker 4: viral video which captured him issuing a slap but doesn't
20:54
Speaker 4: didn't fail. The original video didn't show everything that led
20:56
Speaker 4: up to it. Yesterday, since a City Press Jennifer Bishop
21:00
Speaker 4: asked for a continuance, the second one for the case.
21:03
Speaker 4: The first one asked for by Trevinsky, because they added
21:05
Speaker 4: two witnesses to the list, and I guess that kind
21:07
Speaker 4: of kicked the trial back a little bit. But this
21:09
Speaker 4: time the witness described as a key witness not present,
21:13
Speaker 4: didn't show up a trial, claiming he feared for his safety.
21:17
Speaker 4: Prosecutor Bishop said misinformation in the media portrayed the witness
21:20
Speaker 4: as an FBI informant. Going back to last month the
21:23
Speaker 4: trial was supposed to start, Travinsky's lawyer, Douglas Brandon said
21:28
Speaker 4: the FBI and informant was included on a witness list.
21:31
Speaker 6: Now.
21:31
Speaker 4: Brandon later said he never claimed the man in question
21:34
Speaker 4: was an informant, only that it appears and informant was
21:36
Speaker 4: present at the brawl, and that the prosecution wouldn't reveal
21:40
Speaker 4: the identity of the informant. So yesterday Judge Dante Johnson
21:43
Speaker 4: granted the continuous till on January twelfth, saying it was
21:45
Speaker 4: the last one, so if the witness doesn't show up
21:48
Speaker 4: and the next one, they're going to dismiss the case. Apparently,
21:52
Speaker 4: Brandon said his client wants to trial. Travinsky charged with
21:55
Speaker 4: get a load of this, How much effort and how
21:57
Speaker 4: many prosecutor how much proscatorial expense when into this and
22:01
Speaker 4: ask yourself this question, is anybody other than this white
22:03
Speaker 4: guy who was involved in the brawl with multiple black people?
22:06
Speaker 4: Some say it's a racially charged incident. I suppose that's
22:08
Speaker 4: going to come out in trial. He'd been charged with
22:11
Speaker 4: disorderly conduct, which carries the sentence of up to thirty
22:14
Speaker 4: days in jail on a two undred and fifty dollars fine.
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Speaker 4: Now the revolving jar of door of Hamilton County Justice.
22:21
Speaker 4: Anybody else think that a disorderly conduct charge with a
22:25
Speaker 4: twhudred and fifty dollars fine would would see the light
22:28
Speaker 4: of day in trial.
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Speaker 1: Now, you may recall right.
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Speaker 4: After the incident, the local black leaders were calling for
22:36
Speaker 4: Travinsky and any other white people involved in to face
22:39
Speaker 4: similar charges as the defendants who've been charged that are black.
22:43
Speaker 4: They face felony charges giving the horrific beatdown they issued.
22:47
Speaker 4: Most notably, recall the video of Holly getting punched in
22:50
Speaker 4: the face and Cole cocked down and knocked out. Police
22:55
Speaker 4: union since I polase union claiming the charges against Stravinsky
22:58
Speaker 4: unwarned and prompted by police motivated orders from the city,
23:01
Speaker 4: we heard this swirling around at the time, they didn't
23:03
Speaker 4: want to issue a citation. The officers on the scene,
23:06
Speaker 4: there was no crime that head that had been committed,
23:08
Speaker 4: and ultimately it was assumed or it suggested that interim
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Speaker 4: police Chief Henny was told I believe he was lieutenant
23:14
Speaker 4: at the time, told to issue a citation. That's why
23:18
Speaker 4: he's going to be testifying for the defense at the trial,
23:22
Speaker 4: mister Travinsky, along with the detectives, they are defense witnesses
23:27
Speaker 4: in this. If you wonder why the waitis didn't show up,
23:31
Speaker 4: it may be more that the case is falling apart
23:34
Speaker 4: and they've got nothing that we can say. They're there,
23:38
Speaker 4: and since it's collapsing, it's better that the witness doesn't
23:41
Speaker 4: show up and they can say, well, the witness didn't
23:43
Speaker 4: show up. Ergo, we can't move forward with trial lacking
23:45
Speaker 4: sufficient sufficient evidence to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.
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Speaker 1: It's just a thought.
23:52
Speaker 4: Five point thirty six with the five KRC the talk
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Speaker 4: station oklway stack a stupid coming up or or calls
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Speaker 4: de talk station, thank you, Chuck. It's five forty on
24:06
Speaker 4: a Tuesday. Unless you factor in the two and a
24:10
Speaker 4: half hour delay, we've got here. In which case, what
24:13
Speaker 4: what time is it after the delay?
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Speaker 1: Joe? Is it like six fifteen or something?
24:21
Speaker 4: It's next to Wednesday of the delay, So if I
24:23
Speaker 4: hit the dumb button, it's not gonna come back. Okay,
24:26
Speaker 4: lose the entire weeks worth of programming. Oh anyway, Fortunately
24:30
Speaker 4: I only had to use that one time personally for
24:32
Speaker 4: my career twentieth year in radio one time.
24:36
Speaker 1: Anyway.
24:36
Speaker 4: Over the local stories are rather stacked of stupid. The Phoenix,
24:41
Speaker 4: Arizona for this one, got a Way Mo self driving car.
24:44
Speaker 4: Dave Hatter said he never in a self driving car,
24:46
Speaker 4: or at least one of those autonomous taxis a lot
24:49
Speaker 4: of good reasons for that. I'm with Dave on that.
24:51
Speaker 4: Waimo's self driving car is seen going down to Phoenix
24:53
Speaker 4: light rail tracks this week, forcing a passioner to flee
24:58
Speaker 4: the vehicle before it continued along the tracks near an
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Speaker 4: oncoming train. What video taking my bystander shows the moment
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Speaker 4: of the self driving car stops on the tracks just
25:11
Speaker 4: before an oncoming light rail approaches. Passenger runs out of
25:15
Speaker 4: the vehicle before the car continues. What he going down
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Speaker 4: the tracks near another train? Andrew Maynard the emergency transformative
25:23
Speaker 4: technology professor at Arizona State University had this to say,
25:26
Speaker 4: I actually felt a little sorry for the car. It
25:30
Speaker 4: obviously made a bad decision and got itself in a
25:32
Speaker 4: difficult place.
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Speaker 1: Oh so.
25:35
Speaker 4: Cars now have a sense of awareness in need of
25:38
Speaker 4: empathy and sympathy said, while these situations are rare, they
25:44
Speaker 4: do happen. Thank you Maynard for acknowledging that this is
25:46
Speaker 4: exactly one of those edge cases we call them something
25:50
Speaker 4: unexpected where the machine drove like a machine rather than
25:54
Speaker 4: a person. Famos described as equipped with twenty nine camera
26:00
Speaker 4: So the root systems updated weekly. Yet in the area
26:03
Speaker 4: where the incident happened, there was construction. The light rail
26:06
Speaker 4: was added to the spot within the last year, which
26:10
Speaker 4: Professor Maynard said could have contributed to the rail track
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Speaker 4: to detour, saying, I think WEYMO has no idea exactly.
26:20
Speaker 4: My car's map system hasn't been updated since I bought it.
26:23
Speaker 4: It's a twenty twenty one and you know it's German.
26:25
Speaker 4: So if I have to pay for the map upgrade,
26:28
Speaker 4: I don't know. I have to get a second mortgage
26:29
Speaker 4: on my house. Yeah, it has no idea like the
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Speaker 4: rerouting into like route thirty two where they did all
26:34
Speaker 4: that road construction. Yeah, my car has no club anyway,
26:41
Speaker 4: I think let's see ices. I think WAYMO is a
26:44
Speaker 4: challenge because no matter what they do with their system,
26:46
Speaker 4: there are always going to be unexpected circumstances where they
26:49
Speaker 4: have to learn from them.
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Speaker 7: Oh.
26:51
Speaker 4: In other words, your car has to get hit by
26:52
Speaker 4: a train, and WEYMO will learn from that and then
26:55
Speaker 4: make sure nobody else gets hit by a train. Maynard
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Speaker 4: professors said these cars in many circumstances are safer than
27:03
Speaker 4: human drivers because they don't have distractions like human drivers does. Yeah,
27:06
Speaker 4: they don't take drugs either. But light rail operation staff
27:13
Speaker 4: responded to the scene. WAIMA was contacted to minimi service
27:16
Speaker 4: impacts northbound southbound trains exchange passengers before resubversing direction to
27:21
Speaker 4: continue service. That from the Valley metros Bergs person. Fortunately
27:25
Speaker 4: no one harmed and no significant delays came from that. Yeah,
27:32
Speaker 4: coming to street car near you, Joe.
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Speaker 1: Yesterday.
27:36
Speaker 4: We keep installing speed bumps. I don't know if you
27:38
Speaker 4: saw it. I think it was in Detroit. They had
27:40
Speaker 4: video on local news from an incident, But was it Boston? Yeah,
27:43
Speaker 4: that was the one. You saw it? Some idiot going
27:48
Speaker 4: seventy miles an hour down a residential street that had
27:50
Speaker 4: speed bumps. But it hits a speed bump and of
27:52
Speaker 4: course just loses all control over the vehicle. It ends
27:57
Speaker 4: up doing just tons of property damage. A guy got
27:59
Speaker 4: even it was thrown out of the car, got out
28:03
Speaker 4: of the car and he stood there looking at the
28:04
Speaker 4: state of disbelief. Yeah, all right, and then he pulled
28:08
Speaker 4: his pants up, of course, because his pants got pulled
28:10
Speaker 4: that as a consequence of the of the of the
28:12
Speaker 4: stupidity he engaged in. But yeah, you can put the
28:15
Speaker 4: speed bumps in. That doesn't believe, That doesn't mean, as
28:18
Speaker 4: the professor pointed out, that the drivers are going to
28:22
Speaker 4: be safe. Five fifty Speaking of drivers, it's five fifty
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Speaker 4: here fifty five K see talk station Tuesday. After the
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Speaker 4: top of the iron is Charlie lucan former mayor and
28:43
Speaker 4: a Southern Railway board member. He's not on the board anymore,
28:46
Speaker 4: but he was an advocate for so on the railroad.
28:49
Speaker 4: He's not an advocate for how the money is well
28:52
Speaker 4: not being spent. Says they've insufficiently spent the money, only
28:55
Speaker 4: five percent of the total money collected. Why is that
28:58
Speaker 4: Charlie looking after the top of the iron is Christopher
29:00
Speaker 4: Smithman is going to chine in on the behind the
29:03
Speaker 4: closed doors Rodney Hinton's settlement discussion. They had an executive council,
29:07
Speaker 4: which means we don't know anything, and of course, with
29:09
Speaker 4: the council members refusing to speak with media, we don't
29:12
Speaker 4: know anything. City manager share along not re speaking with media,
29:15
Speaker 4: nor would her spokesperson. We don't know anything. Why don't
29:17
Speaker 4: we know anything? So we'll get a smith event. Chapter
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Speaker 4: two coming up with six thirty lots of guests following
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Speaker 4: that as well five one, three, seven, four, nine, fifty five,
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Speaker 4: eight hundred eight two to three talk gay scratching my
29:30
Speaker 4: head over that this is even a thing or a story.
29:34
Speaker 4: Trust me, I'm a parent. My son happens to be
29:37
Speaker 4: thirty one years old. But yes, a long long time ago,
29:40
Speaker 4: when he was a tiny todd he did collect Pokemon cards,
29:43
Speaker 4: much to my chagrin. I don't understand it. I never did.
29:48
Speaker 4: Over forty thousand dollars where the Pokemon cards stolen from
29:52
Speaker 4: the Mogu Games This and Everett Washington. The owner Michael Duran,
29:56
Speaker 4: reported that the thief used an axe to smash the
29:59
Speaker 4: window and take off with all these trading cards, which
30:02
Speaker 4: the article describes as valuable. I suppose beauty is in
30:04
Speaker 4: the eye of the beholder value. Thank you Joe us
30:12
Speaker 4: reading my mind on that one. That's why I started
30:16
Speaker 4: off by acknowledging that, yes, my son at one point
30:18
Speaker 4: collected Pokemon cards. That's exactly how I felt about them
30:21
Speaker 4: at the time. What are you doing?
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Speaker 1: Security footage captured the subject stealing the items, and why
30:30
Speaker 1: are you doing that?
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Speaker 4: Well, here's the reason, Because somewhere in the world someone
30:36
Speaker 4: has valued a single card at over four thousand dollars
30:41
Speaker 4: one one piece of plastic.
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Speaker 1: Idiots doing idiot things because they're idiots.
30:48
Speaker 4: They are You're right, they are cardboard. You know, you
30:50
Speaker 4: should get in touch with our friend of the Sinsinni
30:52
Speaker 4: type in print museum to see if they could actually
30:54
Speaker 4: duplicate these cards, create fake ones.
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Speaker 1: I mean it is.
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Speaker 4: Paper breaking is one of several incidents apparently this guy's
31:05
Speaker 4: store has experienced. Popular store it is. He said, We've
31:08
Speaker 4: been broken into four times, We've been arm robbed once,
31:11
Speaker 4: multiple snatching grabs worth thousands of dollars worth of product.
31:15
Speaker 4: Frustrated at the lack of accountability for the committing crimes.
31:18
Speaker 4: He also pointed out that all the local businesses in
31:20
Speaker 4: the area are considering leaving, that this is no Homish county,
31:25
Speaker 4: he said, I mean, there is a reason why businesses
31:28
Speaker 4: are moving out of snow Hoomish County, Washington. Just I'm
31:31
Speaker 4: here every day and now it feels like I'm targeted.
31:33
Speaker 4: So mister Duran also considering rolling up the carpet after his.
31:37
Speaker 1: Lease is up.
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Speaker 4: I don't want to, but at some point this town
31:41
Speaker 4: becomes very non business friendly. Yeah, when crime runs amok?
31:50
Speaker 1: All right?
31:51
Speaker 4: Not familiar with the group, Joe, you're a fan of
31:52
Speaker 4: Australian rock duo Bootleg Rascal. You got all of them,
31:57
Speaker 4: don't you? Every one of the eight tracks? Anyway, they
32:02
Speaker 4: apparently started their Reasons tour Brisbane, Australia celebrations apparently described
32:08
Speaker 4: as taking a turn. What a marriage proposal didn't go
32:12
Speaker 4: quite as plan video shared by the band. This is
32:14
Speaker 4: like the kiss cam video, which the band described as
32:19
Speaker 4: p d a gone wrong. Man scene standing on stage
32:22
Speaker 4: with a microphone addressing the crowd. My partner and I
32:27
Speaker 4: came to watch Bootleg Rascal about two three years ago,
32:30
Speaker 4: he said. Then he called out Jamie where are you?
32:35
Speaker 4: Can you come up on stage? Quickly crowd began cheering
32:39
Speaker 4: and clapping. The woman showed up out from the crowd,
32:42
Speaker 4: stepped up on stage and speaking to the woman, the
32:45
Speaker 4: man told her quote, we saw Bootleg Rascal about two
32:48
Speaker 4: years ago. I thought, you know, they're our favorite band,
32:52
Speaker 4: and I thought today, why not? Maybe today is the time.
32:56
Speaker 4: Then got down on one knee. I know you know
33:00
Speaker 4: what's coming. Ron didn't get the reaction he was hoping for.
33:03
Speaker 4: The woman scene shaking her head, grabbing his hand before
33:07
Speaker 4: trying to pull him back up to stand. The man
33:11
Speaker 4: could be heard repeating no, no, before she ran off
33:16
Speaker 4: the stage. He stayed kneeling until a person dressed in
33:21
Speaker 4: a Scooby Doo costume ran up and helped the man
33:24
Speaker 4: get to his feet. No answer or explanation as to
33:28
Speaker 4: why someone at this concert was wearing a Scooby Doo costume,
33:37
Speaker 4: and as you might imagine, the social media commentary on
33:40
Speaker 4: that one is rather comical, including some of the comments
33:43
Speaker 4: from the band. Yeah, get a handle on where you
33:47
Speaker 4: are in your relationship. If you've talked about marriage and
33:50
Speaker 4: this is like a foregun conclusion, then yeah, maybe go
33:53
Speaker 4: ahead and do it. In public if you think that's right,
33:56
Speaker 4: as long as that possibility of embarrassment, though, isn't there
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Speaker 4: five and five fifty five kr CE DE Talk Station
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Speaker 4: Charlie Lucan, former mayor and former Southern Railway Board member,
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Speaker 4: on why the hell isn't the city spending the railway
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Speaker 4: money that got coming in a lot of it to
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Speaker 4: Christopher Smithman at six point thirty on the executive session
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Speaker 4: from Sinceney City Council where we learned absolutely nothing that's
34:17
Speaker 4: coming up.
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Speaker 1: I hope you can stick around.
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Speaker 2: Today's tough headlines coming up at.
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Speaker 4: The top it Hey, it's Brian Thomas. Pleased to welcome
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Speaker 4: former mayor of the City of Cincinnati and former member
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Speaker 4: of the Cincinni Southern Railway Board who did advocate for
34:30
Speaker 4: the sale the one point six billion dollars sale the
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Speaker 4: railroad previously owned by the city. That money put into
34:35
Speaker 4: a interest generating fund to produce more money than we
34:37
Speaker 4: were getting annually through the lease deal. And apparently that's
34:40
Speaker 4: worked out. We had a good investment year last year.
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Speaker 4: But Charlie Lucan, you were interviewed by the Cincinnati Inquirer
34:46
Speaker 4: several days ago and you expressed some disappointment that the
34:49
Speaker 4: railway money which has apparently come in, but that only
34:52
Speaker 4: five percent of what's.
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Speaker 1: Come in has been spent.
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Speaker 4: Your reaction to this and what's your take on why
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Speaker 4: it hasn't been spent, Charlie.
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Speaker 3: Well, first, two years ago, Brian, we promised the voters
35:04
Speaker 3: that we were going to do this, and when we
35:07
Speaker 3: did it, if we generated the money we expected, which
35:10
Speaker 3: we have, and then some that we would get to
35:14
Speaker 3: work on streets, bridges, playgrounds, et cetera. And so it passed.
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Speaker 3: The money's there. There's one point almost one point nine
35:22
Speaker 3: billion now in that fun Two years later and yeah.
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Speaker 8: It's up.
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Speaker 3: It's up two hundred and fifty eight million dollars. So uh,
35:32
Speaker 3: and that's after paying the city there fifty seven million
35:36
Speaker 3: dollar allot meant last year. So yeah, we promised. It's
35:42
Speaker 3: getting bottlenecked at the City's inexcusable. And I finally I'm
35:48
Speaker 3: not on the board anymore. I resigned after we passed it.
35:51
Speaker 3: I still think it was a good idea to pass it.
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Speaker 3: I'd rather have the city in the board's hands for this,
35:57
Speaker 3: for the benefit of the taxpayers than in the railroads.
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Speaker 3: But right now we're not getting much done with.
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Speaker 1: Well, that seems obvious.
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Speaker 4: And as the reporting points out, and you pointed out
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Speaker 4: four point five million spent out of the eighty five
36:11
Speaker 4: million in railway money that apparently is available, that's the
36:13
Speaker 4: interest that was generated off of it. But Molly Lair,
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Speaker 4: who is the city manager spokesperson, said, well, fifty one
36:21
Speaker 4: million of the railroad money in this fiscal year has
36:23
Speaker 4: been allocated toward road projects in various stages of planning
36:27
Speaker 4: and developments, as well as a million more railroad dollars
36:31
Speaker 4: allocated toward other infrastructure. It seems to me she's drowing
36:35
Speaker 4: a distinction between allocation and spending.
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Speaker 3: So that's right, that's Washington speak. Yes, all that is
36:44
Speaker 3: you can allocate things all day, you can plan things
36:47
Speaker 3: all day, but it doesn't get it doesn't get the
36:50
Speaker 3: shovels in.
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Speaker 4: The ground right now, Which leads me to a burning question.
36:54
Speaker 4: I think I'm not the only one that has who
36:57
Speaker 4: selects the projects. We were all told that this money
37:00
Speaker 4: could only be spent on existing infrastructure. I mean, we're
37:03
Speaker 4: behind four hundred or so road mile repairs. We all
37:06
Speaker 4: can name a ton of projects. You alluded to a
37:08
Speaker 4: few at your opening statements on the interview here of
37:11
Speaker 4: what needs to be done. So we all know what
37:13
Speaker 4: infrastructure is. But any of these projects have they been scrutinized?
37:17
Speaker 4: Do we know what this the allocated money is going toward.
37:21
Speaker 4: Has anyone done a review and thoughtful analysis of whether
37:24
Speaker 4: it falls in the category of existing infrastructure? Because we
37:28
Speaker 4: were all expecting the Shenanigans to come out of the
37:30
Speaker 4: city council like they build a second leg of the
37:32
Speaker 4: street car, which I would argue isn't existing. So where
37:35
Speaker 4: are we on this and do we know what I
37:36
Speaker 4: would too?
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Speaker 3: I would argue that, and we had that conversation. But
37:41
Speaker 3: there is a list, it has been studied, this list theoretically,
37:45
Speaker 3: when we passed it, we were toward I was told
37:48
Speaker 3: that all these projects were quote shovel ready and I
37:52
Speaker 3: looked at them and they are all the things that
37:55
Speaker 3: you would think are basic to a city, playgrounds, regis streets,
38:00
Speaker 3: et cetera. I mean, there's there's a list of five
38:04
Speaker 3: hundred million dollars plus and growing, and unfortunately the money
38:10
Speaker 3: hasn't gotten there. So we have not benefited as a
38:14
Speaker 3: city much at this point from the passage of the
38:18
Speaker 3: railroad issue.
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Speaker 4: Well, can I ask you a direct question. Does the
38:24
Speaker 4: the Cincinni Police Department and stuff? We're down a couple
38:26
Speaker 4: of hundred officers. The problem is obviously known, and at
38:29
Speaker 4: least I've finally been acknowledged by AFTAB provol and some
38:32
Speaker 4: of the other members accounts. We do have a crime problem,
38:36
Speaker 4: but we can't get anybody to take the police positions.
38:38
Speaker 4: Can the railroad money, because since a have to have
38:41
Speaker 4: Parvole is talking about increasing the income tax for the
38:43
Speaker 4: purposes of public safety, can the railroad money be properly
38:46
Speaker 4: allocated to help support the police department made by raises
38:49
Speaker 4: or something. Isn't it an existing infrastructure?
38:53
Speaker 5: No?
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Speaker 3: What the what the railroad money can be used for
38:57
Speaker 3: is to alleviate some of the stress stress on the
39:00
Speaker 3: safety budget by let's say, remodeling District two or buying
39:05
Speaker 3: new police cars, or buying new computers or new weaponry
39:10
Speaker 3: or whatever it might be that is existing infrastructure. But
39:14
Speaker 3: in terms of paying salaries, this was all put in
39:17
Speaker 3: a guard rail by my old friend Bill Siitez in
39:22
Speaker 3: Ohio and the Ohio legislature before this whole thing passed,
39:26
Speaker 3: So it's pretty strict and you can't pay salaries out
39:31
Speaker 3: of it, which I have to think is a is
39:34
Speaker 3: a good thing, because lord knows what they would spend
39:37
Speaker 3: it on if.
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Speaker 1: You could, yeah, iris contracts or something on this.
39:41
Speaker 3: Brian, Brian, I want to emphasize this is this is
39:44
Speaker 3: not brain surgery. This is pretty basic running a city stuff.
39:51
Speaker 3: And when you ask why there's no money getting out there,
39:55
Speaker 3: and the answer is because it takes a while to
39:58
Speaker 3: contract or because we are doing compliance, that's unacceptable. I
40:06
Speaker 3: agree that is just that is just government jargon. That
40:11
Speaker 3: means nothing. It means we can't do it. And you
40:15
Speaker 3: have to at some point question the basic competence of
40:20
Speaker 3: the people that are that are in charge and supposed
40:23
Speaker 3: to be able to do this well.
40:25
Speaker 4: Greasing the skids, get the money out into the world
40:27
Speaker 4: where it's going to do the most good. If they've
40:28
Speaker 4: identified that as a problem, sounds to me like that
40:30
Speaker 4: an easy thing to fix in front of them.
40:33
Speaker 8: That's right, it's fairly easy.
40:36
Speaker 3: And I would this this probably will never happen, but
40:40
Speaker 3: I would recommend that they get somebody from business or
40:45
Speaker 3: a few people and they create some kind of an
40:47
Speaker 3: extra outside city hall group that's going to take this
40:52
Speaker 3: list and that's going to work this list through with
40:57
Speaker 3: the money that's already there, and I think we might
41:01
Speaker 3: make some progress because I just think it's this is
41:03
Speaker 3: one of those things where it's sitting on this guy's
41:05
Speaker 3: desk for a while and this woman's desk for a while,
41:07
Speaker 3: and it never goes anywhere.
41:11
Speaker 4: We need the outside sector and their knowledge and experience
41:14
Speaker 4: to fix the problems with the city government because the
41:17
Speaker 4: city government doesn't know how to get the money out
41:19
Speaker 4: into the world where it needs to where.
41:20
Speaker 1: It can help us. That's interesting, Charlie Luke, And it
41:23
Speaker 1: really is.
41:23
Speaker 3: Well that's what I think. I mean. You know, I
41:26
Speaker 3: created the three CDC, and that's was created primarily because
41:31
Speaker 3: the city did not know how to do economic development.
41:35
Speaker 3: So now it's given to people outside to do what
41:39
Speaker 3: was the business of the city. And I know that
41:42
Speaker 3: sounds like, well, why do we have the.
41:44
Speaker 1: Government at all?
41:45
Speaker 3: But I think that's the answer here.
41:50
Speaker 4: Well, it's also it forces us to go into another
41:52
Speaker 4: discussion and we don't need to do engage in a
41:54
Speaker 4: lengthy ones sir, about the work that non government organizations do.
41:57
Speaker 4: They get the money because they're allegedly in a better
42:00
Speaker 4: position to fix the need that they're being given money
42:03
Speaker 4: to fix. And yet we find out quite often that
42:05
Speaker 4: money is used for political purposes, is not properly spent,
42:08
Speaker 4: or there is no oversight to see that those NGOs
42:10
Speaker 4: are doing what they promised to do with the taxpayer
42:12
Speaker 4: money allocation, right.
42:15
Speaker 3: I mean, I get that, but I you know, going
42:18
Speaker 3: back to the three CDC example, if you get the
42:21
Speaker 3: right folks who are in it for the right reasons,
42:24
Speaker 3: and I think they're out there, I think I think
42:28
Speaker 3: you can make a big difference. But we're just going
42:31
Speaker 3: in circles. And as I say, I campaigned for this,
42:37
Speaker 3: you probably recall it there. You will recall there where
42:39
Speaker 3: a lot of people are against it, and I get that,
42:43
Speaker 3: but those of us that campaigned for it are starting
42:47
Speaker 3: to look pretty bad.
42:48
Speaker 4: Well, and you do have a reputation to protect, and
42:51
Speaker 4: it's a solid reputation, Charlie Lukan, You've done well by
42:53
Speaker 4: the city, and I know you have all the right motivations,
42:56
Speaker 4: but this does look bad. The optics are terrible. Where
42:59
Speaker 4: is the money, Charlie Lucan, he said he'd bring it
43:02
Speaker 4: to us. It's there, and it's turned out to be
43:04
Speaker 4: better than we originally thought. The problem seems to be
43:07
Speaker 4: with the ones that are responsible for it. I guess
43:08
Speaker 4: it takes really the right folks to choose the right
43:11
Speaker 4: outside folks to make sure the work gets done. Maybe
43:15
Speaker 4: that leads us to where our problem is my subjective opinion,
43:17
Speaker 4: Charlie Lucan, keep up the great work and keep speaking
43:20
Speaker 4: out loud about this. I know that we will all
43:22
Speaker 4: benefit ultimately once they get this money out into the world.
43:25
Speaker 4: And I know that was your goal and talking to
43:26
Speaker 4: the enquire about it. And it's been a pleasure to
43:28
Speaker 4: have you speak with my listeners of me today. It's
43:30
Speaker 4: really great.
43:32
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me on.
43:32
Speaker 1: Brian see the talk.
43:34
Speaker 4: Station at six twenty here at fifty five Kerr see
43:38
Speaker 4: the talk station five point three seven eight hundred eight
43:41
Speaker 4: two three talk on five fifty on AT and T phones.
43:44
Speaker 2: Huh.
43:46
Speaker 4: Interesting analysis, Charlie Lucan, just speaking truth to power, saying
43:50
Speaker 4: it like it is. Look sounds to me like you
43:51
Speaker 4: can boil this down to absolute incompetence or bureaucracy. People
43:56
Speaker 4: that don't know where to spend the money. Necessarily, they're
44:00
Speaker 4: sitting on eighty some odd million dollars, only five percent
44:03
Speaker 4: of that has actually been spent on existing infrastructure projects.
44:07
Speaker 4: And you seem to be comfortable that this money is
44:09
Speaker 4: only going to existing infrastructure, which was the limitation. So yeah,
44:14
Speaker 4: you can get the police stuff, but you can't use
44:17
Speaker 4: to pay salaries. And of course I appreciate the concerns
44:19
Speaker 4: that would be raised if you could use this railroad
44:21
Speaker 4: money for salaries, going back to the idle common about
44:24
Speaker 4: Irish Rowley. But we need outside people that know what
44:27
Speaker 4: they're doing. Is that a veiled shot at since the
44:32
Speaker 4: city council for a suggestion that they don't know what
44:35
Speaker 4: they're doing? Or can we just just walk away collectively
44:37
Speaker 4: and objectively agreeing that maybe they don't. You need the
44:44
Speaker 4: right folks with the right motivations. Referring to this outside
44:48
Speaker 4: entity that he thinks should be quality should be you know,
44:50
Speaker 4: business individuals who have an understanding of infrastructure projects, how
44:53
Speaker 4: to get them done and accomplished, to get the money
44:55
Speaker 4: out into the world where you and I might benefit
44:57
Speaker 4: from it. The operative ord and that statement might because
45:02
Speaker 4: do we have any idea which projects the money has
45:04
Speaker 4: been allocated to. I suppose we can track where the
45:08
Speaker 4: five percent has been spent, Probably not on a road
45:12
Speaker 4: in your neighborhood, maybe speed bumps in your neighborhood. But
45:15
Speaker 4: what about the projects that you know they have been
45:17
Speaker 4: approved this fifty one some odd million dollars. Do we
45:21
Speaker 4: have any idea on that? And I'm just asking out
45:27
Speaker 4: loud because I don't know that they have any open
45:29
Speaker 4: meetings for people to offer suggestions about where this money
45:32
Speaker 4: should be prioritized. Since a council can't get the money spent,
45:37
Speaker 4: if they're having struggles getting contracts in place or getting approvals,
45:42
Speaker 4: maybe they need to look inwardly and figure out why
45:44
Speaker 4: it's so damn hard to get a project to prove
45:47
Speaker 4: and listen to everybody who's tried to get a project
45:50
Speaker 4: approved in the city of Cincinnati walking into a bureaucratic nightmare.
45:55
Speaker 4: Back to my friend the late Elmer Hensler from Queen
45:57
Speaker 4: City Sausage. He just merely wanted to expand his plant.
46:00
Speaker 4: That's all he wanted to do. Expand it, make it bigger,
46:03
Speaker 4: create more jobs. It's an industrial area of the city already.
46:06
Speaker 4: It's not like they were planning on doing a housing
46:08
Speaker 4: project there. He had the space, he owned it. It
46:12
Speaker 4: took him years and years because of the bureaucratic red
46:15
Speaker 4: tape to expand a facility that was going to do
46:17
Speaker 4: nothing but benefit the City of Cincinnati by greater tax revenue.
46:20
Speaker 1: Why but he's just.
46:24
Speaker 4: One that I know of in a long, long, long
46:26
Speaker 4: line of people who are screaming and yelling about wanting
46:28
Speaker 4: to do development in any given neighborhood to the benefit
46:31
Speaker 4: of the neighborhood and stop by Cincinni City Council or
46:33
Speaker 4: the bureaucratic Mexicos on behind the scenes, asked Corey Bowman.
46:37
Speaker 4: He described many times here in the Morning Show when
46:39
Speaker 4: he was running from mayor about the struggles in his
46:41
Speaker 4: neighborhood in the West End. West End really could use
46:45
Speaker 4: an infusion of development. There are developers out there apparently
46:48
Speaker 4: that want to do that, but they're blocked. I don't
46:50
Speaker 4: know by what the city's view of what the future
46:55
Speaker 4: is going to look like in its mind as opposed
46:58
Speaker 4: to what the residents of any neighborhood.
47:00
Speaker 1: One.
47:02
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's that impediment. So I guess all in all,
47:08
Speaker 4: for those who didn't think that the interest generated would
47:10
Speaker 4: meet what we were making by way of lease payment
47:13
Speaker 4: or when we were negotiating this, because the lease deal
47:16
Speaker 4: is up which led to the sale of the railroad,
47:17
Speaker 4: how much we could have negotiated by way of an
47:19
Speaker 4: increase in annual lease payments. At least when you have
47:22
Speaker 4: a good market year like last year, the interest generated
47:25
Speaker 4: is significant, and I would argue does exceed what we
47:28
Speaker 4: would have what we might have been able to wrestle
47:31
Speaker 4: out of the railroad by way of an ongoing lease arrangement.
47:34
Speaker 4: That said, the money apparently isn't doing any good for
47:38
Speaker 4: the city of Cincinnati. Unbelievable. Yet, we do need competent
47:45
Speaker 4: people who know what they're doing, and elections do have consequences.
47:51
Speaker 4: Six twenty five, If you've have KC detalk station, Christopher
47:54
Speaker 4: Smitheman returns has a reaction to the closed door session
47:58
Speaker 4: yesterday with a very happy one to you. Comping up
48:02
Speaker 4: off the top of the our news, we'll hear from
48:03
Speaker 4: Greg Hand. He's a local historian and comedian. Similarities between
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48:13
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48:15
Speaker 4: Somali daycare fraud link, et cetera. In the meantime, Welcome Back,
48:20
Speaker 4: Volume two, we're making this a habit. Christopher Smith and
48:22
Speaker 4: former virus mayor of the City of Cincinnati with the
48:24
Speaker 4: Smither event. Christopher, your reaction to council, Yes, going into
48:28
Speaker 4: executive session and note not speaking a word to the press,
48:33
Speaker 4: not a single council member, the city manager, the city
48:35
Speaker 4: manager spokesperson, the mayor. Nothing. We have no idea what happened, Christopher.
48:40
Speaker 4: Welcome back, my friend. It's always great having you on.
48:43
Speaker 9: Hey, thank you so much. It's everything that's wrong with government.
48:47
Speaker 9: Brian Thomas, you know, of one to go into executive
48:51
Speaker 9: session and not tell the public the agenda of the
48:54
Speaker 9: executive session. Yeah, that's right, that's a good session. You're
48:58
Speaker 9: supposed to say, this is the reason we're going into
49:01
Speaker 9: executive session, and our discussion is very narrow. I mean,
49:05
Speaker 9: you tell the public the agenda because you don't want to.
49:07
Speaker 9: You don't want to say, we're going into executive session
49:09
Speaker 9: and we're going to be talking about all of these
49:11
Speaker 9: other things. Right, so to go and just deal with
49:13
Speaker 9: that issue. But the public should have been informed prior
49:17
Speaker 9: to the executive session, and there should have been a
49:19
Speaker 9: roll call vote of all non members of council of
49:22
Speaker 9: what the agenda was. It's all secrecy, and it's all
49:26
Speaker 9: intentional for our city government to conceal their discussions with
49:32
Speaker 9: the settlement talks with the Hinton family.
49:34
Speaker 4: Well, Christopher, you know, based on what you said, they
49:37
Speaker 4: could have been talking about something completely different. We've all
49:40
Speaker 4: been operating under the presumption that the closed door meeting
49:42
Speaker 4: was in as a consequence of the revelations that there
49:46
Speaker 4: were settlement discussions going on behind the scenes between the
49:49
Speaker 4: city manager and the Hinting attorneys. Either of those sides
49:52
Speaker 4: denied discussions were ongoing. I think they just most argued
49:56
Speaker 4: with the characterization in the media. But that's what the
49:59
Speaker 4: predicate wast well as presumably that's what they went in
50:01
Speaker 4: there for. But we really don't even know that, do we.
50:05
Speaker 9: We don't. If I were a lawyer, I would be
50:10
Speaker 9: filing a lawsuit against the City of Cincinnati today asking
50:15
Speaker 9: for the agenda. What was the agenda of the executive session.
50:20
Speaker 9: You don't have to tell me what you discussed, there
50:22
Speaker 9: are no notes, but you at least have to tell
50:24
Speaker 9: the public what the agenda was. You can't just go
50:28
Speaker 9: into secrecy as a government, close the doors and not
50:32
Speaker 9: tell the taxpayers, who are, by the way, the ones
50:34
Speaker 9: who are on the hook to pay the bill. What
50:37
Speaker 9: you're talking about. But this is the secrecy of this mayor,
50:41
Speaker 9: this manager, and this council, and elections have consequences. My
50:46
Speaker 9: heart goes out to every law enforcement officer that's out
50:50
Speaker 9: there because I wanted to share, which I know you covered, Brian,
50:53
Speaker 9: is this is the case last year where the young
50:57
Speaker 9: man had a gun and a stolen car running from
51:02
Speaker 9: an officer. He was African American, the officer involved was white.
51:08
Speaker 9: That young man turned with a weapon and unfortunately that
51:14
Speaker 9: officer had to take his life for fear of his
51:17
Speaker 9: own life. We've had the prosecutor clear him. They have
51:21
Speaker 9: much economy prosecutor clear him. Obviously, we have the Cincinnati
51:25
Speaker 9: Police Department clear him. The bottom line was, my heart
51:30
Speaker 9: goes out to any loss of life. But the officer
51:34
Speaker 9: made a split second decisions, which is what they have
51:36
Speaker 9: to do every single day. The hitting family, the father
51:40
Speaker 9: then decided the next day he was going to take
51:44
Speaker 9: his vehicle and run over a sheriff. A sheriff who
51:50
Speaker 9: has nothing to do with the Cincinnati Police Department. He's
51:53
Speaker 9: out there, he had adopted a couple of children. He's
51:57
Speaker 9: out there, had retired doing traffic at a at a
52:01
Speaker 9: UC graduation and the father ran him over. This council
52:07
Speaker 9: went into executive session most likely to discuss a settlement
52:13
Speaker 9: to the family because their child was shot who had
52:18
Speaker 9: a gun in a stolen car running from an officer.
52:21
Speaker 9: And that is what is so sad about all of this.
52:24
Speaker 9: If I were a taxpayer, if I were a lawyer,
52:28
Speaker 9: I would be filing a lawsuit today demanding what the
52:31
Speaker 9: agenda was of that executive session.
52:34
Speaker 4: And so to be clear on this, and let me
52:36
Speaker 4: leave no question mark to go into executive session, there
52:40
Speaker 4: is a rule an obligation for counsel to let the
52:43
Speaker 4: public know the subject matter of the executive session, and
52:47
Speaker 4: that did not happen yesterday before.
52:48
Speaker 1: They went in.
52:50
Speaker 9: That's that's my understanding.
52:52
Speaker 1: Well, you were a former vice Manati.
52:55
Speaker 9: Oh no, that's the truth. Oh no, that's the truth.
52:58
Speaker 9: But the question is if no one can calls you
53:00
Speaker 9: on it. That's why lawsuits after the attorney, because people
53:03
Speaker 9: do things that are illegal and they get away with it.
53:07
Speaker 9: The question is will counsel in a transparent way communicate
53:13
Speaker 9: with the public why they went into executive session. So
53:16
Speaker 9: for example, for example, I sit as one commissioner appointed
53:23
Speaker 9: by the governor over the casinos for the state of Ohio. Okay,
53:28
Speaker 9: we went into executive session approximately two months ago. All right,
53:32
Speaker 9: roll call vote of all seven commissioners and an agenda
53:36
Speaker 9: item of what we were going to discuss. We were
53:38
Speaker 9: being sued in our capacity as commissioners, and we communicated
53:44
Speaker 9: we're going into executive sessions so our lawyer can brief
53:47
Speaker 9: fund right on that litigation. That's why we went into
53:52
Speaker 9: executive session. And guess what when we went into executive session,
53:56
Speaker 9: we only discussed that agenda item and then came out
54:00
Speaker 9: of executive session and brought the public back in.
54:03
Speaker 4: That's the way it's you do, That's the way it's
54:05
Speaker 4: supposed to work. And knowing full well that that's the
54:07
Speaker 4: way it's supposed to work, why did the city take
54:10
Speaker 4: us down this road which might lead to even more
54:12
Speaker 4: litigation and more legal expenses. Let's pause when Christopher smith'ment
54:15
Speaker 4: back six point thirty seven right now, if you have
54:17
Speaker 4: kersee the talk station, well, if this sounds like you,
54:21
Speaker 4: SI fifty five KRSD talk station bran Tooma was reacting
54:24
Speaker 4: with Christopher's Smith aman reacting to the behind the closed
54:27
Speaker 4: doors meeting. So, going back to Christopher's point, it is
54:30
Speaker 4: an obligation of the council rules that they let the
54:32
Speaker 4: public know what a closed door session is all about,
54:35
Speaker 4: because we don't get any information from inside the closed
54:37
Speaker 4: door session. So it is a critically important obligation for counsel.
54:42
Speaker 4: Chris said, it's so much so that someone could file
54:44
Speaker 4: a lawsuit for them having violated that because we presume
54:47
Speaker 4: they were talking about this Hinton settlement, but we don't
54:50
Speaker 4: know that for sure. Obviously the lid was blown off.
54:53
Speaker 4: I think much of the chagrantish Cheryl Long and the
54:55
Speaker 4: Hitting family lawyers that it was released to the public
54:57
Speaker 4: that they were talking about settlement. We know they were,
55:00
Speaker 4: but we don't know that that's what happened yesterday.
55:02
Speaker 1: Christopher.
55:03
Speaker 4: With the rule being what it is, and the fact
55:04
Speaker 4: that they've gone down this road before they bought litigation
55:09
Speaker 4: under your scenario, they knew was going to happen. So
55:12
Speaker 4: they subjected the sinsin taxpayer to even more expense because
55:15
Speaker 4: now we're going to litigate the failure to let us
55:17
Speaker 4: know what's going on in executive session.
55:20
Speaker 8: Yeah.
55:21
Speaker 9: Now again I'm going to go back and let me
55:23
Speaker 9: make this point too, which I think is interesting. When
55:26
Speaker 9: I served on council, right, I never remember ever going
55:33
Speaker 9: into executive session. I want to emphasize that to you.
55:37
Speaker 9: So that last ten year run that I served, I
55:41
Speaker 9: never remember council going into executive session. Okay, so this
55:48
Speaker 9: is very unusual for city council to say I'm going
55:52
Speaker 9: into executive session. It could be that they don't even understand.
55:56
Speaker 9: Meaning when I served right now currently as one of
56:00
Speaker 9: seven commissioners for casinos across the state of Ohio, again
56:04
Speaker 9: we went into executive session. We each of us had
56:08
Speaker 9: to do a roll call vote. The seven of us,
56:10
Speaker 9: we all had to sign a document saying we were
56:14
Speaker 9: going into executive session, and we had to stick to
56:18
Speaker 9: that agenda item and come out of executive session. When
56:22
Speaker 9: you're dealing with the government and the people's money, it
56:25
Speaker 9: just makes logical common sense to think, Number one, you
56:29
Speaker 9: don't go into executive session lightly. But when you go
56:33
Speaker 9: into executive session and you close the door, you have
56:37
Speaker 9: to at least tell the public why you're going into
56:40
Speaker 9: executive session, the purpose of it. You don't have to
56:43
Speaker 9: tell us what you said. There are no notes, you
56:46
Speaker 9: don't have to say what was discussed you know, da
56:49
Speaker 9: da da da dad between your lawyer, the city manager
56:52
Speaker 9: and the nine members of council. But you do have
56:55
Speaker 9: to tell us the agenda.
56:57
Speaker 4: Well, and you just pointed out a reason why you
56:59
Speaker 4: needed exactecutive session private conversations, attorney client communications you've got
57:04
Speaker 4: to have with a larger group of people being represented
57:07
Speaker 4: by that council. That is not the type of information
57:09
Speaker 4: that you generally want shared with the general public. You
57:12
Speaker 4: can't be candid and open with your lawyer if you
57:14
Speaker 4: know it's going to be widely reported. So that will
57:17
Speaker 4: be a valid justification. But what of a discussion about settlement?
57:23
Speaker 4: Is that a worthy executive session declaration? Had they gone
57:26
Speaker 4: in ahead of time and said we are going into
57:29
Speaker 4: executive session to discuss the settlement, is that akin to
57:32
Speaker 4: the attorney client privileged kind of conversation, would it serve
57:36
Speaker 4: as a justification.
57:38
Speaker 9: I don't think so. I mean, the nine members of
57:42
Speaker 9: council are not being sued. The people who are going
57:45
Speaker 9: to pay the bill are the tax payers, so they
57:48
Speaker 9: deserve to know what that bill's going to look like.
57:53
Speaker 9: You're not going into executive session saying, hey, you're being sued.
57:58
Speaker 9: You might be deposed here's you know, here's your here's
58:02
Speaker 9: here's our position. I mean, you're a lawyer. Our only
58:05
Speaker 9: discussion in that executive session was to discuss the legal
58:09
Speaker 9: ramifications of those seven members.
58:11
Speaker 7: That's it.
58:12
Speaker 9: It's a very narrow discussion. And I want to remind
58:15
Speaker 9: you we all took a vote, we all signed a document,
58:19
Speaker 9: and we stuck to that agenda item. So I don't
58:21
Speaker 9: know what this new wave stuff City Hall is doing,
58:23
Speaker 9: but I'm sharing with you. Just just everybody use your
58:26
Speaker 9: common sense. The government is supposed to be open. That's
58:30
Speaker 9: why you have UH rules and law state rules that say, hey,
58:36
Speaker 9: you can't five members of council can't just go out.
58:38
Speaker 9: That was the gang of fire. You just can't go
58:41
Speaker 9: out and start having private meeting that lunch discussing the agenda, right.
58:45
Speaker 9: It was all about open access to public discussion, right.
58:50
Speaker 9: So it's it's very important. And I think that if
58:54
Speaker 9: council did not tell us why they're what their agenda was,
58:58
Speaker 9: not what they discussed, that is absolutely a problem. Period.
59:03
Speaker 9: And go back on the fat pattern here. This is
59:05
Speaker 9: why law enforcement Brian Thomas, when we're dealing with ice,
59:09
Speaker 9: we've got people across the country who are standing in
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Speaker 9: front of police vehicles. They're blocking a law enforcement cars
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Speaker 9: in whether it's ice or whether it's a local police
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Speaker 9: officer who's being ambushed while sitting in their car eating
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Speaker 9: lunch in uniform, out of uniform. We're seeing this all
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Speaker 9: across the United States of America. My point is that
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Speaker 9: the meat of this is a young man who made
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Speaker 9: a series of poor decisions gun stolen car, jumping out
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Speaker 9: of the car, running from an officer, turning towards that officer,
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Speaker 9: and the officer unfortunately having to make that decision to
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Speaker 9: fire his weapon and take his life. That's what we're discussing.
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Speaker 9: How do you think, Brian Thomas, if this council settles
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Speaker 9: this lawsuit and gives it family money after the father
1:00:02
Speaker 9: made the decision the next day to kill a sheriff,
1:00:06
Speaker 9: how in the world, what kind of message? How do
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Speaker 9: you think that impacts the morale of every peace officer
1:00:13
Speaker 9: in the state of Ohio and across the country.
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Speaker 4: Well, let me just leave that lay there. I understand
1:00:19
Speaker 4: it's more of a rhetorical question, but I'll bring it
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Speaker 4: right back and just get a quick comment about Alex Trevinsky,
1:00:24
Speaker 4: who was cited for defending himself in the beatdown brawl,
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Speaker 4: And how do you think that makes officers feel when
1:00:29
Speaker 4: they don't want to issue a citation because they don't
1:00:31
Speaker 4: see any crime committed. And yet we're apparently forced to
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Speaker 4: bring Christopher back real quick on that one. First, Susette
1:00:37
Speaker 4: Low's camp for all your mortgage needs. You are the
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Speaker 4: best possible hands with Susette. You will love working with her.
1:00:41
Speaker 4: She's with Christopher smitheman on the phone. Christopher just pivoting
1:00:45
Speaker 4: over briefly to the trial of Alex Ttravinsky, who is
1:00:48
Speaker 4: the slap guy in the multiple beatdown. He was charged
1:00:51
Speaker 4: with disorderly conduct, which carries up to thirty days in
1:00:55
Speaker 4: jail on twohundred fifty dollars fine. The other seven people
1:00:58
Speaker 4: were charged with felonies, including the one who punched Holly
1:01:02
Speaker 4: in the face so hard and knocked her out. Unbelievable
1:01:04
Speaker 4: that now Alex got a charge against him with this
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Speaker 4: disorderly conduct in spite of the fact that the officers
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Speaker 4: on the scene did not believe that charge was motivated
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Speaker 4: or necessary. There weren't sufficient facts there, and yet ultimately
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Speaker 4: I believe it was Lieutenant Henny now police Chief Henny
1:01:19
Speaker 4: ended up issuing the citation to Henny at apparently the
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Speaker 4: behest of I don't know was it the city manager,
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Speaker 4: but it wasn't something that any of the members of
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Speaker 4: law enforcement wanted to do, yet he issued it. Now
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Speaker 4: he's been caught. Henny has been caught as a defense witness,
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Speaker 4: as have been the police detectives in Alex Stravinski's trial.
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Speaker 4: So with yesterday's continuance, because the city prosecutors said one
1:01:41
Speaker 4: of her witnesses didn't show up, I think that's an
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Speaker 4: illustration or a suggestion that the case is going to
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Speaker 4: ultimately be dismissed because if he doesn't show up the
1:01:49
Speaker 4: next time, they throw the case out. Maybe that's been
1:01:51
Speaker 4: set up to just have that result, because the case
1:01:54
Speaker 4: isn't going anywhere, Christopher your response, it's.
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Speaker 9: Not going anywhere. Clearly his lawyers have said, you know,
1:02:03
Speaker 9: and I thought it was the right decision to say,
1:02:05
Speaker 9: we're going to trial, like, we're not shopping the case,
1:02:08
Speaker 9: we're not trying to settle anything, right, because part of
1:02:10
Speaker 9: this is they've got to clear this man's name. I mean,
1:02:13
Speaker 9: members of council, the city manager, everybody was out there
1:02:18
Speaker 9: saying these crazy things about this man and so you know,
1:02:22
Speaker 9: his reputation absolutely was impacted, and his ability to get
1:02:27
Speaker 9: a job to you know, all of that is going
1:02:30
Speaker 9: to going to be on the table. Number One, he's
1:02:33
Speaker 9: going to be found not guilty. This case is not
1:02:35
Speaker 9: going anywhere. It's dead on a rival. You and I
1:02:38
Speaker 9: know that. So the next question is going to be
1:02:41
Speaker 9: his lawyer's going to turn around and file a lawsuit
1:02:44
Speaker 9: against the City of Cincinnati. They're going to win that lawsuit, period,
1:02:49
Speaker 9: and the city's going to have to give millions of dollars. Now,
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Speaker 9: if I am his lawyer and I just saw you
1:02:54
Speaker 9: give out eight point one million, I then turn around
1:02:58
Speaker 9: and say, oh, you're going to give the in family
1:03:01
Speaker 9: millions of dollars? What do you think they're going to
1:03:03
Speaker 9: have to give this man? See, they're setting this thing up, man.
1:03:07
Speaker 9: And then when you look, you look at Chief Washington,
1:03:09
Speaker 9: you look at Chief Fiji. Just go down the list
1:03:12
Speaker 9: of people that they're going to have to settle with.
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Speaker 9: And I'm talking about in twenty twenty sixth and twenty
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Speaker 9: twenty seven, we're talking about an indemnity debt of probably
1:03:22
Speaker 9: north of twenty million dollars in litigation. Again, I don't
1:03:26
Speaker 9: know why they went into executive session yesterday, but they
1:03:31
Speaker 9: owe us an explanation of what the agenda item was.
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Speaker 9: You know, I will make sure I end with that.
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Speaker 9: You and I shouldn't be speculating why our government went
1:03:42
Speaker 9: behind closed doors. We should know why they went behind
1:03:46
Speaker 9: closed doors. And so that point right there. I think
1:03:50
Speaker 9: if we had a healthy media, if we had healthy journalism,
1:03:55
Speaker 9: right they would be asking the questions that you and
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Speaker 9: I are talking about right now. It wouldn't just be
1:04:00
Speaker 9: all Council went into executive session, and there's no need
1:04:03
Speaker 9: for us to know what our government was talking about
1:04:05
Speaker 9: behind closed doors. Somebody would have already asked that question,
1:04:09
Speaker 9: and the headline we should have said something like Counsel
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Speaker 9: went into executive session without sharing what the agenda was.
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Speaker 4: Exclamation point, Christopher Smithman. Always appreciate your thoughts and comments
1:04:22
Speaker 4: and insights. We will patiently wait for local news to
1:04:24
Speaker 4: find out why exactly they went into executive session. You know,
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Speaker 4: I guess members of Council are free to at least
1:04:30
Speaker 4: give us that little piece of information without violating rules
1:04:33
Speaker 4: about what goes on inside executive session.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 4: So there's a whole bunch of them out there that
1:04:38
Speaker 4: can answer the question. Strange the administration wants to continue
1:04:42
Speaker 4: this cloak and dagger nonsense. It certainly delegitimizes them. When
1:04:45
Speaker 4: you add all these things together, you come up with
1:04:47
Speaker 4: an administration that really wants to keep the truth away
1:04:49
Speaker 4: from the public.
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Speaker 9: No question, I can see. I can see Joe Strecker
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Speaker 9: sitting an email to each member of members of council
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Speaker 9: as a media person saying, I have one question, what
1:05:01
Speaker 9: was your agenda item last night or yesterday afternoon? Why
1:05:05
Speaker 9: did you go into executive session? No discussion about your agenda,
1:05:09
Speaker 9: but what was the agenda?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he suspects these things.
1:05:13
Speaker 9: Something tells me that there are going to be some
1:05:14
Speaker 9: emails going to members of city Council asking them that question.
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Speaker 4: Stead maybe, but according I mean Scott Wortman tried yesterday
1:05:22
Speaker 4: after the meeting. They all declined to comment, along with
1:05:25
Speaker 4: the city manager, of the city managers spokesperson, the mayor.
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Speaker 4: No one said anything. We'll see your popcorn out Jay
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Speaker 4: Chris for Elections have consequences, don't they.
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Speaker 9: Elections have consequences. Brian Thomas, thank you so much. People
1:05:39
Speaker 9: can follow me on x at vote Smitherman, thank you, brother.
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Speaker 4: Take care of my friend, we'll talk on Monday. Stick
1:05:45
Speaker 4: around on top of the other news, Greg Handy's local historian, does.
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Speaker 1: Some comment.
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Speaker 4: Seven six here peb krc DE Talk station. I hope
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Speaker 4: you're having a very happy Tuesday. Put a smile on
1:06:00
Speaker 4: your face. In this segment, we're gonna hear from Tom's
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Speaker 4: Alastawski at the bottom of this hour matters political and
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Speaker 4: we'll get the inside scoop at bright Bart News in
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Speaker 4: an hour, followed by the Daniel Davis Deep Dive at
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Speaker 4: a thirty typical Tuesday, but a special guest here in
1:06:11
Speaker 4: the fifty five Case Morning Show. Kind of hoping it's
1:06:13
Speaker 4: not gonna be the only time he appears here. Greg
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Speaker 4: hand you may know him because he's the proprietor of
1:06:17
Speaker 4: the Cincinnati Curiosities blog. Find it where you find your blogs.
1:06:21
Speaker 4: Joe's put a link up on my blog page fifty
1:06:23
Speaker 4: five cars dot com to get his website. He writes
1:06:25
Speaker 4: about a thousand words every week, which he posts on Tuesday,
1:06:29
Speaker 4: all about a whole bunch of different topics, like, for example,
1:06:31
Speaker 4: most recently, an escaped Oriole brought Cincinnati to distraught women
1:06:36
Speaker 4: and national attention. That's his most recent post. Retired from
1:06:41
Speaker 4: the University of Cincinnati. Is the head of public Relations
1:06:43
Speaker 4: Office for employed with the university, he was the editor
1:06:45
Speaker 4: of the Western Hills Press May at Rest in Peace.
1:06:49
Speaker 4: In addition to the blog, he contributes regularly to Cincinnai Magazine,
1:06:52
Speaker 4: presenting entertaining history, chats and bars and saloons. You heard
1:06:56
Speaker 4: that correctly, through a program program called stand Up History.
1:07:01
Speaker 4: Also the author of US Cincinnati Curiosities, which I've got
1:07:04
Speaker 4: a copy of in my hand, Healing Powers of the
1:07:07
Speaker 4: Whamsley Madstone, Nocturnal Exploits of Old Man Dead, Mazappa's Naked Ride,
1:07:14
Speaker 4: and more right, that's why it's called Cincinnati Curiosities. We'll
1:07:18
Speaker 4: get a word or two about that. And then Tarbell
1:07:21
Speaker 4: Palooza another book that he kindly gave me a copy of.
1:07:24
Speaker 4: So great stuff. It's all Cincinnati bass and with a
1:07:26
Speaker 4: comedic twist. Greg hann good to heavy in studio, always
1:07:29
Speaker 4: a pleasure. So even how long, even if this is
1:07:32
Speaker 4: stand up comedy that relates to Cincinnati history.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, you know, the thing is, people in Cincinnati love
1:07:39
Speaker 10: the history of this town. Oh yeah, and for good reason.
1:07:41
Speaker 10: This town, I keep telling people, is the city that
1:07:45
Speaker 10: just keeps on giving every time I find something weird,
1:07:48
Speaker 10: I find something weirder. And people are aware of this,
1:07:53
Speaker 10: but they are put off by traditional methods of learning.
1:07:57
Speaker 10: They don't want to get books. They they don't want
1:08:00
Speaker 10: to sit down and take classes or be serious. But
1:08:04
Speaker 10: they'll go to bars and after a couple of drinks,
1:08:08
Speaker 10: you get somebody to stand up and talk about, for instance,
1:08:13
Speaker 10: seventeen weird real estate stories in Cincinnati, and they get
1:08:19
Speaker 10: very appreciative after that second drink.
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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, we all know that social liver could help
1:08:24
Speaker 4: them multiple social situations. Especially at a comedy club. You
1:08:29
Speaker 4: got to get that inner voice of reluctance and kind
1:08:31
Speaker 4: of shut up and so you can participate. Do you
1:08:34
Speaker 4: interact with the audience? I mean, oh yeah, yeah. Do
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Speaker 4: you engage in the desocratic method?
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Speaker 10: It's very informal. This really started with in the bars
1:08:45
Speaker 10: because of my partner in founding this group, Molly Wellman,
1:08:50
Speaker 10: who has owned a variety of watering holes in Cincinnati.
1:08:54
Speaker 10: She's well known for that, and she just presents so
1:08:58
Speaker 10: so wonderfully and everybody just kind of joins in and
1:09:03
Speaker 10: so we get a lot of cat calling and h
1:09:08
Speaker 10: and uh, you know, and it never gets out of hand.
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Speaker 10: But it's fun.
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Speaker 4: Well, I don't want to necessarily presume what I'm what
1:09:16
Speaker 4: I'm thinking, but considering the venues are typically bars, although
1:09:20
Speaker 4: I know you perform at the Art Museum and the
1:09:22
Speaker 4: u SEE Lifelong Learning Institute, and you're doing an event
1:09:26
Speaker 4: at Union Terminal as well, you're focusing on bars. I'm
1:09:28
Speaker 4: suggesting though, that maybe there's a little bit of blue
1:09:31
Speaker 4: humor in this.
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Speaker 10: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, the way the way that we
1:09:35
Speaker 10: put it. When people call us and want to book
1:09:38
Speaker 10: us for something, they always go, now, how adult is this? Yes,
1:09:44
Speaker 10: and our response is usually it's irreverent, not obscene.
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Speaker 4: I can definitely relate to that, and I'm someone who
1:09:53
Speaker 4: definitely appreciates a certain level of irreverence without question. So,
1:09:57
Speaker 4: in terms of upcoming events, what are you going on
1:10:00
Speaker 4: that we can want my listeners to know about, because
1:10:02
Speaker 4: it sounds like something that we're all going to want
1:10:03
Speaker 4: to show up at at some point.
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Speaker 10: Wednesday, January twenty first, we have a monthly residency on
1:10:11
Speaker 10: the third Wednesdays of each month at Muse Cafe in Westwood.
1:10:17
Speaker 10: That's always a fun occasion. And then the next night, Thursday,
1:10:22
Speaker 10: January twenty second, we will be at the museum Center,
1:10:27
Speaker 10: and that one is in a rather large auditorium, so
1:10:31
Speaker 10: we could have as many as two hundred and fifty
1:10:33
Speaker 10: people in attendance at that one. That one's got myself,
1:10:38
Speaker 10: Molly will be there in Dean Regis, who is technically
1:10:43
Speaker 10: an astronomer, but we let him in because astronomy involves
1:10:47
Speaker 10: the space time continuum and that's close enough to history.
1:10:54
Speaker 4: Will he be speaking on matters involving the flux capacitor
1:10:56
Speaker 4: in generating one point twenty one gigilettes?
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Speaker 10: He Dean has done some amazing things, takedowns of astrology
1:11:05
Speaker 10: and an explanation of why Galileo's middle finger is preserved
1:11:12
Speaker 10: in a museum in Italy, and that sort of thing.
1:11:16
Speaker 10: I quite often get into the history of prostitution in Cincinnati, although.
1:11:23
Speaker 1: They mostly over across the river.
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Speaker 10: No, this is the big misunderstanding that people have their
1:11:29
Speaker 10: memories are entirely too short. Between around eighteen seventy five
1:11:36
Speaker 10: and the First World War, Cincinnati had a large red
1:11:39
Speaker 10: light district in the west end pretty much from Fifth
1:11:43
Speaker 10: Street up to Seventh Street, from Central Avenue out to
1:11:47
Speaker 10: Mound Street. There were as many as seventy houses of
1:11:52
Speaker 10: prostitution in this red light district with perhaps six hundred
1:11:57
Speaker 10: to seven hundred what we'd call working girls.
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Speaker 1: And this is the demand was that high.
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Speaker 10: This was This was the way people thought at the
1:12:09
Speaker 10: time is if you did not have this, it wasn't legal.
1:12:15
Speaker 10: But if you did not have this accessible out let
1:12:19
Speaker 10: for hormonally overcharged men, they were going to be running
1:12:25
Speaker 10: around the city raping respectable women. And so so that
1:12:29
Speaker 10: was the solution was, well, we're going we're going to
1:12:34
Speaker 10: endure this stuff, but we're going to shove it off
1:12:36
Speaker 10: into the corner here.
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Speaker 4: So we'll sacrifice Victorian principles in the name of practical reality.
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Speaker 8: Yeah.
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Speaker 10: But the thing about Kentucky is, and I addressed this
1:12:48
Speaker 10: in a blog post last week, is in the nineteen
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Speaker 10: twenties we got a totally different city here. Before nineteen twenty,
1:12:57
Speaker 10: this was one of the weirdest places on the planet,
1:13:02
Speaker 10: and after nineteen twenty it totally changed.
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Speaker 4: Well, is that is a consequence of the Boss Cox
1:13:09
Speaker 4: administration exactly.
1:13:10
Speaker 10: There were four factors that really led to this. One
1:13:13
Speaker 10: was a brand new city government when the Charter Rights
1:13:17
Speaker 10: came in, restructured city government brought in the city manager
1:13:22
Speaker 10: form of government. The other was prohibition absolutely a major
1:13:26
Speaker 10: factor in changing the city because it basically wiped out
1:13:31
Speaker 10: one of the city's largest industries overnight.
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Speaker 4: Which apparently was alcohol, but also prostitution, because it might
1:13:38
Speaker 4: I parley into is that how the mob and prostitution
1:13:42
Speaker 4: and gambling and liquor all ended up in northern Kentucky
1:13:44
Speaker 4: because the mobs came in and think it open.
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Speaker 10: For Cincinnati by nineteen thirty five was known as the
1:13:52
Speaker 10: best run city in America, and they got that way
1:13:56
Speaker 10: by shoving all the vice that used to be a
1:14:00
Speaker 10: money maker for Boss Cox across the river. And so
1:14:03
Speaker 10: you really don't see northern Kentucky getting this reputation until
1:14:08
Speaker 10: after city government changed in Cincinnati.
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Speaker 4: So it's not in my backyard, but as long as
1:14:15
Speaker 4: it's close enough that I can get there easily and conveniently,
1:14:18
Speaker 4: it's a okay for northern Kentucky. There you go to
1:14:20
Speaker 4: get the crime element in. Wow, we're gonna learn about
1:14:24
Speaker 4: some of different some additional parallels nineteen twenty six versus well,
1:14:28
Speaker 4: twenty twenty six, and sadly, some of the things haven't
1:14:31
Speaker 4: really changed since County. You're nineteen twenty six and twenty
1:14:35
Speaker 4: twenty six, we're going to continue with comedian and historian
1:14:38
Speaker 4: Greg Hand station. It's seven eighteen if if you have
1:14:45
Speaker 4: Kercit talk stations. See I'm laughing because I'm sitting in
1:14:48
Speaker 4: studio with a comedian and historian of unusual Cincinnati related matters.
1:14:53
Speaker 4: Greg Hand got a great background doing this stand up
1:14:56
Speaker 4: comedy related to Cincinnati history, and he's got some assistance
1:15:00
Speaker 4: with some of these, like Molly Wellman, for example. He
1:15:03
Speaker 4: mentioned Dean Rigez, and I understand Michael Parina is also
1:15:06
Speaker 4: going to be helping you out at this stand up
1:15:08
Speaker 4: history at Union Terminal event Thursday, the twenty second. Tickets
1:15:12
Speaker 4: are available at starts at six pm. Get your tickets.
1:15:14
Speaker 4: Just put a lick up the blog page fifty five
1:15:16
Speaker 4: krzy dot com. I was laughing because you're always working
1:15:19
Speaker 4: on news stories. You mentioned doing Cincinnati curiosities. He put
1:15:22
Speaker 4: a thousand words out every Thursday or Tuesday on things
1:15:26
Speaker 4: of this nature. We're going to be reading about rats
1:15:30
Speaker 4: as well as garbage collection.
1:15:32
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
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Speaker 6: Yeah.
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Speaker 10: People remember Cincinnati as poor Kopolis. We love our pigs.
1:15:37
Speaker 10: We get the flying pigs all over the place. What
1:15:40
Speaker 10: people don't remember about Cincinnati is the city of Cincinnati
1:15:43
Speaker 10: did not institute garbage collection, well until after the Civil War.
1:15:48
Speaker 4: That's because we had the canal. It's because we had
1:15:51
Speaker 4: the pigs. I was gonna say, they throw it in
1:15:53
Speaker 4: the canal.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, you would just you would just throw stuff out
1:15:56
Speaker 10: and the pigs. Pigs took care of it. And this
1:16:00
Speaker 10: this is remember from eighteen thirty until nineteen ten, Cincinnati
1:16:05
Speaker 10: was one of the ten largest cities in the United States.
1:16:08
Speaker 10: So after the Civil War we were the sixth largest
1:16:12
Speaker 10: city in the United States and had no organized garbage collection.
1:16:16
Speaker 4: Holy kh we did have the second police department in
1:16:18
Speaker 4: the entire uited of States, so we had to wait
1:16:20
Speaker 4: around for garbage collection.
1:16:22
Speaker 1: All right.
1:16:22
Speaker 4: You mentioned the whole Boss Cox period, and I think
1:16:25
Speaker 4: a lot of my listeners are familiar with the level
1:16:27
Speaker 4: of corruption that existed under those old Boss regimes. The
1:16:30
Speaker 4: Charter Right Party kicked in in nineteen twenty six and
1:16:33
Speaker 4: this led to a period of reform where again led
1:16:37
Speaker 4: to the eradication of prostitution and crime, and they sent
1:16:41
Speaker 4: it over to Northern Kentucky, who apparently the mob was
1:16:43
Speaker 4: happy to embrace the change. So cities cleaned up under
1:16:47
Speaker 4: the Charter Rights and we enjoyed this very successful respected
1:16:53
Speaker 4: historically period of time, we said we were one of
1:16:55
Speaker 4: the best governing cities, and everyone said it, what how
1:16:59
Speaker 4: long did that period of time last, because it seems
1:17:01
Speaker 4: somewhere we went off the rails there.
1:17:04
Speaker 10: The Charter Committee and the Charter form of government basically
1:17:09
Speaker 10: came in in the early nineteen twenties, and by the
1:17:13
Speaker 10: mid thirties it was multiple multiple national publications pointed to
1:17:19
Speaker 10: Cincinnati and said this is it. This is the best
1:17:22
Speaker 10: governmed city in America. There were some key factors that
1:17:27
Speaker 10: went into that form of government. One was a form
1:17:30
Speaker 10: of voting called proportional representation.
1:17:33
Speaker 1: Did you hear that? Yes, those words have come up
1:17:36
Speaker 1: recently in history.
1:17:38
Speaker 10: Which is a little complicated to describe, but basically it
1:17:42
Speaker 10: ensured minority voices and so it ensured that council would
1:17:48
Speaker 10: be filled with people represented different points of view. In
1:17:54
Speaker 10: the nineteen fifties, an alliance of the Democratic Party locally
1:17:59
Speaker 10: and the Unions locally worked to remove proportional representation and
1:18:05
Speaker 10: set the scene for one party government again.
1:18:09
Speaker 4: Which means each council members expected to represent every single
1:18:12
Speaker 4: of the fifty two neighborhoods in the city, whereas before
1:18:15
Speaker 4: I guess there was some sort of jerry mandard or
1:18:18
Speaker 4: slight stuff.
1:18:19
Speaker 10: No, in proportional representation, it was intentionally city wide, in
1:18:24
Speaker 10: each in each in each councilmanic seat. Prior to proportional representation,
1:18:32
Speaker 10: city council had more than forty people. We had at
1:18:39
Speaker 10: that time twenty some odd wards in the city, and
1:18:43
Speaker 10: council was made up of two representatives from each ward.
1:18:49
Speaker 10: In that arrangement, under Boss Cox, who controlled the Republican
1:18:54
Speaker 10: and the Democratic party in the city, the Republicans had
1:18:59
Speaker 10: something like thirty five out of the forty seats. After
1:19:03
Speaker 10: proportional representation came in, Charter rarely had more than five seats.
1:19:10
Speaker 2: Oh.
1:19:10
Speaker 10: Really, Republicans were consistently represented on council, as were Democrats.
1:19:17
Speaker 4: Well, the parallels that you draw between nineteen twenty six
1:19:20
Speaker 4: and twenty twenty six. I was laughing about the condition
1:19:22
Speaker 4: of the roads back ineteen twenty twenty six. Apparently nothing
1:19:26
Speaker 4: has changed there. Also, you mentioned the rapid transit loop,
1:19:31
Speaker 4: which we know is the street car today. Is that
1:19:33
Speaker 4: the project that was being built, the subway system that
1:19:36
Speaker 4: never did get built. What's the backstory on that one.
1:19:39
Speaker 10: So the Charter Committee came in with this new form
1:19:45
Speaker 10: of government totally on the message of we are going
1:19:51
Speaker 10: to disassemble what's left of the Cox machine. And one
1:19:56
Speaker 10: of the elements of the Cox machine that was still
1:19:59
Speaker 10: in place was the rapid transit loop that we referred
1:20:03
Speaker 10: to as the Cincinnati Subway. And so suddenly out of
1:20:07
Speaker 10: City Hall came these reports that said, oh, this was
1:20:11
Speaker 10: poorly designed, it couldn't possibly be used, it's cost overrun
1:20:18
Speaker 10: going through the roof. All of this was totally made up.
1:20:21
Speaker 10: It was fake news.
1:20:23
Speaker 2: It was an.
1:20:24
Speaker 10: Attempt by the Charter government to accuse the Cox government
1:20:31
Speaker 10: of creating this boondoggle that could never be completed, and
1:20:35
Speaker 10: so they shut it down. And if they had allowed
1:20:39
Speaker 10: it to go forward, in fact, it was designed very
1:20:42
Speaker 10: well and it was under budget, or not under budget,
1:20:47
Speaker 10: but on budget.
1:20:48
Speaker 4: Wow, the parallels have you drawn. I'm thinking, like, well,
1:20:50
Speaker 4: evil Orange Man did that, So we're not going to
1:20:53
Speaker 4: do it, even though on paper and curly it looks
1:20:57
Speaker 4: like it really will work. Think of some propaganda says
1:21:00
Speaker 4: it's connected with Boss Cox, who we all collectively agree
1:21:03
Speaker 4: is evil Erico. Anything he's responsible for is in and
1:21:06
Speaker 4: of itself evil, So just let's forget it.
1:21:08
Speaker 10: It's one of the lessons of history is that the
1:21:12
Speaker 10: flavor of politics changes, but it's always with us.
1:21:15
Speaker 4: Greg hann great conversation, man, what are you doing the
1:21:19
Speaker 4: nineteen twenty six twenty versus twenty twenty six presentation?
1:21:22
Speaker 1: Is it is that upcoming?
1:21:23
Speaker 10: Oh I it takes a while. A thousand words translates
1:21:28
Speaker 10: into about a seven minute presentation. And most of our
1:21:32
Speaker 10: most of our sets at our shows are in the
1:21:35
Speaker 10: twenty to twenty five minutes. Oh so it's snippet and
1:21:38
Speaker 10: so and so i've i've When I get a topic
1:21:42
Speaker 10: like that, I have to get a little more to
1:21:45
Speaker 10: fill in my slot.
1:21:47
Speaker 4: Sure, and well, you will find him and them around town.
1:21:52
Speaker 4: Since they Curiosity's blogged, you gotta follow it. Jo just
1:21:54
Speaker 4: Strucker's put a link up if you five carecy dot com.
1:21:56
Speaker 4: Whereas I would say Peter Bronson covers more perhaps well
1:22:01
Speaker 4: known or more less comedic, elements of what happens there
1:22:04
Speaker 4: throughout his Cincinnati history. You're finding the really crazy stuff
1:22:08
Speaker 4: and I'll encourage my listeners. Joe put a link up
1:22:10
Speaker 4: to Cincinnati Curiosity's your book again, Healing Powers of the
1:22:14
Speaker 4: Whamsley Madstone, Nocturnal Exploits of Old Man Dead, Mazeppa's naked
1:22:20
Speaker 4: Ride and more. Sounds bizarre, and I'm sure we're gonna
1:22:23
Speaker 4: find the bizarre, but it's historically true. Greg Han, real
1:22:27
Speaker 4: pleasure having you in here, man, and maybe we can
1:22:29
Speaker 4: do this again.
1:22:29
Speaker 1: Thank you. I'd love to keep up the fun.
1:22:32
Speaker 4: We all need fun these days, and I appreciate your
1:22:34
Speaker 4: using history as a vehicle to get us all smiling.
1:22:37
Speaker 4: Seven twenty six. Right now, if you have KRC the
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Speaker 1: It is Tuesday, in a happy one too. After the
1:22:45
Speaker 1: top of the.
1:22:46
Speaker 4: Air news, we're gonna hear the inside scoop John Carney
1:22:48
Speaker 4: from Bright Bart News. We've had him on a bunch
1:22:50
Speaker 4: of time, be talking about the price of gas and
1:22:52
Speaker 4: oil which is dropped dramatically and.
1:22:56
Speaker 1: The booming economy. Is it booming?
1:22:58
Speaker 4: We'll see what John has to say about that. An
1:23:00
Speaker 4: hour from now, Daniel Davis a deep dive with the
1:23:02
Speaker 4: latest from Iran, Venezuela and Russia bombing another Ukrainian city
1:23:06
Speaker 4: the other day. Without further ado, Welcome back to the
1:23:08
Speaker 4: fifty five Casey Morning Show. You can find him online
1:23:10
Speaker 4: at the web page We the People Convention dot Org.
1:23:13
Speaker 4: Tom Zawastowski, good to have you back on the show.
1:23:16
Speaker 7: Good morning, Bryan. Happy Tuesday, Cincinnati.
1:23:19
Speaker 4: And what is going on in so far as state issues.
1:23:25
Speaker 4: I've been talking to some state politicians the other day.
1:23:28
Speaker 4: I had Zach Reins on who Americans Prosperities endors. Sounds
1:23:31
Speaker 4: like a good guy. Viv Ramaswami. Is there anything going
1:23:35
Speaker 4: on in as far as property tax relief? That seems
1:23:37
Speaker 4: one thing that's looming large in the state of Ohio
1:23:40
Speaker 4: because it may be that the elected officials are going
1:23:43
Speaker 4: to have to deal with a train wreck, which would
1:23:45
Speaker 4: be us voting on whether we want to eliminate property
1:23:47
Speaker 4: taxes in the state via a constitutional amendment through a
1:23:51
Speaker 4: ballot initiative. I don't think they want that to have
1:23:53
Speaker 4: to happen. I think they should get ahead of it
1:23:55
Speaker 4: ahead of time, because that's going to be a catastrophe
1:23:57
Speaker 4: if they have to unfold the wreckage of taking away
1:24:00
Speaker 4: property taxes with the flick of a switch.
1:24:02
Speaker 1: Anything going on in that level, Tom, Yeah.
1:24:05
Speaker 7: There's a lot going on, you know. I think that
1:24:08
Speaker 7: the the grassroots effort, you know, to put that amendment
1:24:12
Speaker 7: on the ballot you know, they have to collect four
1:24:15
Speaker 7: hundred and fifteen thousand signatures and that's a really hard job.
1:24:18
Speaker 7: But it has had the fact of, you know, as
1:24:22
Speaker 7: they say, forcing the legislature to focus maybe on the issue.
1:24:26
Speaker 7: And so there there is still more, you know, legislation
1:24:29
Speaker 7: that's been talked about in the House and the Senate.
1:24:32
Speaker 7: But you know, I think there's no doubt that something
1:24:36
Speaker 7: has to be done.
1:24:38
Speaker 3: Right.
1:24:38
Speaker 7: You can't just punt. You can't say, well, you can't
1:24:41
Speaker 7: repeal all of it, so don't do anything. We have
1:24:44
Speaker 7: to do something. And I'm in conversation with you know,
1:24:48
Speaker 7: the vay Pramaswami on this issue. I'm talking to other
1:24:51
Speaker 7: people in the Republican Party and saying, guys, we've got
1:24:55
Speaker 7: to get serious, and we've got to get serious fast.
1:24:58
Speaker 7: So I expect you're going to see some proposals coming
1:25:01
Speaker 7: up from a lot of directions to address this issue.
1:25:05
Speaker 7: And unless, you know, as you said, you know, this
1:25:08
Speaker 7: idea of almost blowing everything up, you repealing everything all
1:25:11
Speaker 7: at once, I don't think we can do that. So
1:25:13
Speaker 7: you're going to see some sort of compromise, a more
1:25:17
Speaker 7: rational I guess you would say, a way of reducing
1:25:20
Speaker 7: property taxes. But also remember it's not just about the
1:25:25
Speaker 7: property taxes. What caused the property tax to get out
1:25:29
Speaker 7: of control, it's local government and state government just growing uncontrollably.
1:25:35
Speaker 7: I mean, the other part of the property tax issue
1:25:38
Speaker 7: is that by reducing the amount of money coming into
1:25:42
Speaker 7: these state agencies, you can force them to reform. And
1:25:47
Speaker 7: what I mean by reform, well, I mean that you
1:25:50
Speaker 7: get them to start looking at the money they're spending
1:25:53
Speaker 7: and spend it wiser and give us more.
1:25:56
Speaker 3: For their dollar.
1:25:57
Speaker 7: I heard your interview with Charlie about what's going on
1:26:01
Speaker 7: in Cincinnati, and that's the perfect example. We've got government
1:26:06
Speaker 7: you can't function.
1:26:08
Speaker 1: Well.
1:26:09
Speaker 4: You set a mouthful there and I just say, I'm
1:26:11
Speaker 4: just sort of going, yeah, there in lies the problem.
1:26:13
Speaker 4: I think we're all well aware of that and the
1:26:15
Speaker 4: other component of this, And you know, I talked about
1:26:17
Speaker 4: this with.
1:26:20
Speaker 1: Just the other day.
1:26:20
Speaker 4: On the whole, the school funding has been ruled unconstitutional
1:26:24
Speaker 4: for the past couple of decades. That is an issue
1:26:27
Speaker 4: that's inextricably interp intertwined with property taxes. They haven't done
1:26:31
Speaker 4: anything by way of changing that, So sending the money
1:26:34
Speaker 4: out to the students seems to be a way of
1:26:36
Speaker 4: perhaps bringing about this level of efficiency and competition that
1:26:40
Speaker 4: the public schools really desperately need, because there's a lot
1:26:44
Speaker 4: of competition with the public schools already, with charter schools
1:26:47
Speaker 4: popping up and you know Christian Chrishnill's Academy for example,
1:26:51
Speaker 4: or the Sin Sant Classical Academy, great education opportunities for
1:26:54
Speaker 4: students who feel and parents who feel underserved by public schools.
1:26:59
Speaker 7: Well, you know, I think this is the real issue
1:27:02
Speaker 7: in America today. I mean, we're supposed to be a
1:27:05
Speaker 7: capitalist society. We've gotten all the growth in our country.
1:27:10
Speaker 7: Why are we different than the rest of the world.
1:27:12
Speaker 7: Was because we apply free market principles of competition and
1:27:17
Speaker 7: things like that. And yet if you look at our
1:27:19
Speaker 7: society from a government standpoint, it's all communists. When it's
1:27:23
Speaker 7: the healthcare system, the education system, you know, our institutions,
1:27:27
Speaker 7: it's not about competition, it's about eliminating competition, and you
1:27:33
Speaker 7: get you know what we've got, You've got pork performance
1:27:36
Speaker 7: and no accountability. So all of this has to do
1:27:40
Speaker 7: with reforming government, and particularly in the coming age of AI,
1:27:46
Speaker 7: where a lot of the stuff that is now you
1:27:48
Speaker 7: know an excuse, Well that you know, they didn't have
1:27:50
Speaker 7: the day that they didn't know how to do this,
1:27:52
Speaker 7: They couldn't figure it out. That's all ending real soon,
1:27:55
Speaker 7: like starting this year, and we've got to start to
1:27:59
Speaker 7: implement that in all our government agencies, from healthcare to
1:28:05
Speaker 7: schools and things of that nature, and just your local government,
1:28:08
Speaker 7: like using the railroad. You need a flicking city.
1:28:14
Speaker 4: Boiling it down to its simple as terms. Tom's Awastoski
1:28:16
Speaker 4: will continue, get a word or two on your perception
1:28:19
Speaker 4: of V. Dag Ramaswamy selection for Lieutenant Governor Rob McCauley,
1:28:23
Speaker 4: and also the Ohio Minnesota Somali daycare fraud link. Tom's Awastowski.
1:28:27
Speaker 4: And then we're gonna hear from Steve Gooden late edition
1:28:29
Speaker 4: of the program to talk about Christopher's suggestion that a
1:28:32
Speaker 4: lawsuit should be filed because city council did not explain
1:28:35
Speaker 4: to us the reason they went into executive session the
1:28:38
Speaker 4: other day.
1:28:38
Speaker 1: Is that a possible suit.
1:28:39
Speaker 4: We'll find out from Steve after we talk with Tom
1:28:42
Speaker 4: and the next segment stick around at seven thirty six.
1:28:44
Speaker 4: Right now, let me make about care CD talk station
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Speaker 4: find on my line. We either People Convention dot Org.
1:28:48
Speaker 4: Tom's Awastowski returns of the morning show talk about matters
1:28:51
Speaker 4: involving state real quick here. I had Ramaswami on the
1:28:54
Speaker 4: other day and I asked him about his selection of
1:28:55
Speaker 4: Rob McCauley's lieutenant governor for his running mate. He said,
1:28:58
Speaker 4: they're consistent eyed I and all the positions Dvek has
1:29:01
Speaker 4: been running on. But also that because Rob has been
1:29:06
Speaker 4: around for a while in politics, he understands what we
1:29:08
Speaker 4: basically boiled down to, the sausage making process of getting
1:29:12
Speaker 4: legislation passed and through. What's your reaction to Rob as
1:29:16
Speaker 4: the lieutenant governor as a running mate? Any pop plus
1:29:20
Speaker 4: minuses what's going on?
1:29:21
Speaker 1: Tom?
1:29:23
Speaker 7: Well, you know I always look at this, you know,
1:29:25
Speaker 7: from the grassroots standpoint, and we've been, you know, going
1:29:28
Speaker 7: through this process for sixteen years and and you know
1:29:31
Speaker 7: our concern, and I think a lot of your listeners
1:29:34
Speaker 7: concerned is is the veke Fromaswami going to be captured
1:29:37
Speaker 7: by the Columbus cartel?
1:29:39
Speaker 3: Right?
1:29:39
Speaker 7: What are the signs of that? And when he picked
1:29:43
Speaker 7: Rob from a field of five people, all of whom
1:29:47
Speaker 7: had state office positions and things like that, my problem
1:29:51
Speaker 7: was I didn't know Rob. I never die, which is
1:29:56
Speaker 7: pretty amazing. Blank, because you know, you and I talked
1:29:58
Speaker 7: pretty much everybody in this state all the time, and
1:30:02
Speaker 7: so I was concerned. You know, he's a Senate president,
1:30:05
Speaker 7: and you're thinking, Okay, is this guy you know part
1:30:08
Speaker 7: of the cartel? Is he associates affiliated with the wine
1:30:12
Speaker 7: and with Kasik and all those guys, and and but
1:30:16
Speaker 7: I think the day was very honest about the fact
1:30:19
Speaker 7: he's an outsider, and he's got a very inspirational agenda,
1:30:25
Speaker 7: an aspirational agenda for Ohio, and he's going to need
1:30:30
Speaker 7: to get through the legislature. So it makes total sense
1:30:34
Speaker 7: that he would try to pick someone right Rob to
1:30:36
Speaker 7: do that. Not to their credit, I had never met Rob,
1:30:40
Speaker 7: but the they must have told him to call me,
1:30:42
Speaker 7: because the day after he was announced, Rob called me
1:30:46
Speaker 7: and we had a two hour conversation. And you can imagine,
1:30:49
Speaker 7: you know, my conversations are never just you know, simple.
1:30:53
Speaker 7: I mean, we went at it. We went at a
1:30:55
Speaker 7: big time. I wanted to know, who is this guy?
1:30:57
Speaker 7: Is he on board with the kind of reforms that
1:31:01
Speaker 7: that they is going to push? And I'm convinced he is.
1:31:05
Speaker 7: I'm convinced that he's open to the kind of things
1:31:09
Speaker 7: that we're talking about with property tax reform and reform
1:31:13
Speaker 7: of government. I think he gets the fact. Remember he
1:31:16
Speaker 7: did come out of the business. Yes, he hasn't just
1:31:19
Speaker 7: been a government his whole life. So I think that's
1:31:21
Speaker 7: a good sign. I can assure our Glassrooms people that
1:31:26
Speaker 7: this is a good choice because they have a really
1:31:28
Speaker 7: strong relationship. And as you know, that's that's probably the
1:31:31
Speaker 7: most important thing. You can't have anybody like Mike Pence
1:31:35
Speaker 7: stabbing in the back when you're Trump. You need somebody
1:31:38
Speaker 7: you can trust.
1:31:39
Speaker 1: Isn't that the truth?
1:31:40
Speaker 3: Well?
1:31:40
Speaker 4: Real quick here, I knew stayed ordered a key. Faber
1:31:43
Speaker 4: announced last week that they have a new opportunity for
1:31:46
Speaker 4: us to rat out fraud, waste and abuse in government.
1:31:50
Speaker 4: Your reaction to whether or not that is a strong
1:31:52
Speaker 4: enough response to what has been revealed in Minnesota in
1:31:56
Speaker 4: Minneapolis as well as maybe even here in Ohio with
1:31:59
Speaker 4: regard to the abuse of public funds.
1:32:02
Speaker 7: So you know, I know all of us are curious,
1:32:04
Speaker 7: and there's a lot of noise going on, particularly if
1:32:07
Speaker 7: you're online. You know, Mehika Cook is out there investigating.
1:32:13
Speaker 7: There's some pretty good you know, citizen journalists who are
1:32:16
Speaker 7: digging and finding some things okay, but like take for instance,
1:32:22
Speaker 7: that you know, one of the first things that came
1:32:23
Speaker 7: out about Ohio was those forty daycares that all you
1:32:28
Speaker 7: know were made legal in the one day they all
1:32:32
Speaker 7: in June or twenty twenty four to go on. Well,
1:32:35
Speaker 7: I heard Keith talk about that, and they did investigate it,
1:32:39
Speaker 7: and what they found out was that was not true.
1:32:42
Speaker 7: They didn't all style on that day and get done.
1:32:44
Speaker 7: That was some sort of a problem with the computer
1:32:48
Speaker 7: system that just put them all in that date, and
1:32:50
Speaker 7: that those are all they're legitimate. He did look at that.
1:32:54
Speaker 7: So I want our numbers and people out there from
1:32:57
Speaker 7: you know, in Olive, Ohio, to know that Keith Faber
1:33:00
Speaker 7: and Bob Spragg and those guys they are looking into this.
1:33:05
Speaker 7: And while there is a lot of smoke, I so
1:33:08
Speaker 7: far have not seen fire, meaning you know, billions of
1:33:12
Speaker 7: dollars like in Minnesota that have been stolen. There are
1:33:14
Speaker 7: millions of dollars, and I think Keith may have talked
1:33:17
Speaker 7: about a few of those things, but so far I
1:33:20
Speaker 7: haven't seen this kind of you know, the systemic corruption
1:33:25
Speaker 7: like you saw in Minnesota. So that's my viewpoint at
1:33:29
Speaker 7: this stage.
1:33:29
Speaker 4: Tom's Alastowski we the People Convention dot or hopefully it
1:33:32
Speaker 4: stays that way, and hopefully we have been slightly ahead
1:33:34
Speaker 4: of the curve and that would give my listeners and
1:33:36
Speaker 4: of course the residents of the state of Ohio a
1:33:39
Speaker 4: lot of comfort. Tom, keep up the great work. I'm
1:33:41
Speaker 4: pleased that you were referred to Rob McAuley by VV
1:33:46
Speaker 4: Gramaswamy suggesting to my listeners, Tom, you're a man that
1:33:49
Speaker 4: needs to be consulted with because he's got a lot
1:33:52
Speaker 4: of influence. We either People Convention dot Org. Tom, you
1:33:55
Speaker 4: and I will talk again real soon. I wish you
1:33:56
Speaker 4: the best of health and happiness for the next week
1:33:59
Speaker 4: until we hear from each other. I hear from you again,
1:34:02
Speaker 4: I'll record to the next time. Thanks very much. As always,
1:34:06
Speaker 4: Steve Gooden, our legal expert. Did they violate rules that
1:34:09
Speaker 4: are worthy.
1:34:10
Speaker 1: Of a talk station?
1:34:12
Speaker 4: Seven forty nine I think about PERCV talk station Happy
1:34:15
Speaker 4: Tuesday inside Scoop with bry Barton and his plus the
1:34:17
Speaker 4: Daniel Davis Deep Dive in the next hour and Dusty
1:34:20
Speaker 4: Rhodes on how property taxes work and Ken school Zoo's
1:34:23
Speaker 4: and first responders survive without them Without further ado, though,
1:34:26
Speaker 4: God bless you Welcome back to the FIRFTY five KRC
1:34:29
Speaker 4: Morning show. In matters involving legal questions, not good to
1:34:32
Speaker 4: rely on me anymore. It's been a while since actively
1:34:35
Speaker 4: practice law. Steve Gooden, though with the outstanding law firm,
1:34:39
Speaker 4: Reporter Wright joins the program to explain these matters formal counselmen.
1:34:42
Speaker 4: He is Steve Gooden. They went into executive session yesterday
1:34:45
Speaker 4: to talk about we think maybe the settlement of this lawsuit,
1:34:50
Speaker 4: the Hinton family lawsuit, which hasn't been filed, but to
1:34:53
Speaker 4: talk about settlement. Cheryl Long, it was revealed, was in
1:34:55
Speaker 4: settlement discussions with the Hinton family. Their son, eighteen year
1:34:59
Speaker 4: old was killed by a police officer because while he
1:35:02
Speaker 4: was in a stolen car fleeing police and then he
1:35:04
Speaker 4: turned around with a gun point in an officer and
1:35:06
Speaker 4: ended up losing his life. They think that is a
1:35:08
Speaker 4: settlement worthy now. Christopher Smithen was on the program this
1:35:12
Speaker 4: morning saying, if you go into executive council, you must
1:35:15
Speaker 4: let the public know the subject matter, not the substance
1:35:19
Speaker 4: of what goes on in there, but at least the
1:35:20
Speaker 4: subject matter before going into executive council, and said someone
1:35:24
Speaker 4: should file a lawsuit because they.
1:35:25
Speaker 1: Didn't do that.
1:35:26
Speaker 4: Steve Gooden, legal expert, is that a justiciabal controversy?
1:35:33
Speaker 8: You know what sure is? I did take a look
1:35:35
Speaker 8: at the agenda. Brian, First, good morning, and second Smitherman
1:35:39
Speaker 8: is is typically the case is correct and under a
1:35:43
Speaker 8: Higle law, there are only two reasons you can go
1:35:46
Speaker 8: into executive session. One is to discuss potential litigation, which
1:35:49
Speaker 8: is apparently what happened here. And number two, you can
1:35:53
Speaker 8: go in to discuss a personnel matter, particularly a sensitive
1:35:56
Speaker 8: personnel matter regarding someone who may have to be fired
1:35:59
Speaker 8: or what have you. I mean, those are reasons you're
1:36:01
Speaker 8: allowed as a public official to go in and talk
1:36:04
Speaker 8: with your legal counsel and your city manager off the record,
1:36:09
Speaker 8: as it were. There's an attorney client privilege that attaches,
1:36:12
Speaker 8: so that in and of itself isn't illegal. That is
1:36:15
Speaker 8: just that's a place where state law prompts the local law.
1:36:19
Speaker 8: But that said, there's two big things about executive session legally.
1:36:23
Speaker 8: Number one, you have to state which category it is
1:36:26
Speaker 8: that you're talking about. Yesterday's agenda did not do that.
1:36:30
Speaker 8: We know because of all the various leaks at city
1:36:33
Speaker 8: Hall that they were talking about a potential hitting settlement,
1:36:36
Speaker 8: but they didn't acknowledge that publicly. That's number one. Number two,
1:36:41
Speaker 8: you can't vote on the settlement or actually vote on
1:36:45
Speaker 8: anything during executive session. The ultimate decisions have to be
1:36:49
Speaker 8: made out in a public forum. So for instance, this
1:36:54
Speaker 8: eight point one million dollar travesty of a settlement they
1:36:57
Speaker 8: gave to the George Floyd protesters earlier this month. I mean,
1:37:00
Speaker 8: they did have to actually go into regular session to
1:37:03
Speaker 8: vote on that. We presume they had had prior executive
1:37:06
Speaker 8: sessions about it.
1:37:07
Speaker 2: We didn't know.
1:37:08
Speaker 8: They're not doing a very good job of putting out
1:37:11
Speaker 8: there that the executive sessions, you know, what the subject
1:37:14
Speaker 8: matter of them are. But I mean that's really where
1:37:18
Speaker 8: this is. I mean, they really should be telling people
1:37:22
Speaker 8: at least the general subject matter of what's going on here.
1:37:26
Speaker 8: It's a horrible look, but I guess good thing for
1:37:29
Speaker 8: the taxpayers. City hall leagues like a sieve and always has.
1:37:33
Speaker 1: Yeah, it does.
1:37:34
Speaker 4: And thankfully we have outlets that let us know actually
1:37:36
Speaker 4: what's going on behind the scenes, because they apparently are
1:37:38
Speaker 4: talking and coming out of the closed door session the
1:37:40
Speaker 4: executive session. No single city council member of these spokespeople
1:37:44
Speaker 4: for the city manager or the city manager or the
1:37:46
Speaker 4: mayor set a peep. They just refused comment to the
1:37:49
Speaker 4: enquire and other local reporters on what they what they do.
1:37:52
Speaker 4: They could have said, we were talking about a potential settlement.
1:37:56
Speaker 4: They're allowed to say what the subject matter is. They
1:37:58
Speaker 4: just couldn't talk about what specifically happened in the meeting, right, Yeah.
1:38:02
Speaker 8: That's exactly right. I mean, look, I mean, like I said,
1:38:05
Speaker 8: there's only to mine. I mean, look, and I've been
1:38:08
Speaker 8: advising the municipalities on and off for twenty five years. Uh,
1:38:11
Speaker 8: there's really only two reasons why you have an executive session,
1:38:15
Speaker 8: and you're really supposed to put that at least in
1:38:17
Speaker 8: the record, if not on the agenda. You know, I
1:38:20
Speaker 8: actually pulled the paper agenda off the Cities upside. It
1:38:23
Speaker 8: just says executive you know session pursuant to Ohio Biased
1:38:27
Speaker 8: Code Section blah blah blah. That's all it says. So,
1:38:31
Speaker 8: you know, particularly if they're considering doing something this sensitive,
1:38:36
Speaker 8: this unpopular, I mean, just to be very clear, what
1:38:39
Speaker 8: apparently is being contemplated here, you know, is you know,
1:38:42
Speaker 8: a settlement with this Hinton family where the father is
1:38:45
Speaker 8: currently facing trial for murdering a sheriff's deputy, a totally
1:38:49
Speaker 8: innocent sheriff's deputy, uh purportedly because he watched the video
1:38:54
Speaker 8: of his son being shot by police Cincinnati police and
1:38:58
Speaker 8: goes off and does this like this horrific crime. So
1:39:01
Speaker 8: I think one of the big issues is we don't
1:39:03
Speaker 8: really have a law in Ohio, as some states do,
1:39:06
Speaker 8: that would ban the father from getting some of the proceeds. Now,
1:39:11
Speaker 8: in all likelihood, he's going to be in jail the
1:39:12
Speaker 8: rest of his life. But I think it will be
1:39:14
Speaker 8: major Hartburn even if this was a band shooting of
1:39:18
Speaker 8: the of the young Hinton kid, which every indication I've
1:39:21
Speaker 8: heard is that it is not. The prosecutor's office declined
1:39:24
Speaker 8: to prosecute the police officer, the city has taken no action.
1:39:28
Speaker 8: I have not watched the video, but I am told
1:39:31
Speaker 8: that you can see that the young man had a
1:39:33
Speaker 8: gun and was fleeing from a stolen car, classic circumstances
1:39:37
Speaker 8: and which use of force would typically be justified by
1:39:39
Speaker 8: a police officer. Why they would be trying to settle
1:39:42
Speaker 8: that in the first instance is a big question mark.
1:39:45
Speaker 8: And then a huge question mark is how and why
1:39:48
Speaker 8: would they be looking at giving money to a family
1:39:51
Speaker 8: where the father has all but admitted to murdering a
1:39:56
Speaker 8: police officer. So I mean it's politically sensitive situation times ten.
1:40:01
Speaker 4: Well, since this idea that there was a settlement going
1:40:04
Speaker 4: on behind the scenes came out of the blue, question
1:40:06
Speaker 4: I had the other day, and I've been told, yes,
1:40:08
Speaker 4: the city solicitor does she have the authority to settle
1:40:10
Speaker 4: the I mean, the city solicitor apparently has the authority
1:40:12
Speaker 4: to settle lawsuits. They don't need council's approval. City solicitor
1:40:15
Speaker 4: works for the city manager. Does that mean that if
1:40:18
Speaker 4: the city manager and the solicitor decide they're going to
1:40:20
Speaker 4: write a check for X amount of the hitting family,
1:40:21
Speaker 4: that the council really has no control over that.
1:40:26
Speaker 8: Well, it depends on the circumstances on that one, Brian.
1:40:29
Speaker 8: I mean, I recall under the city's current administrative code,
1:40:35
Speaker 8: the city manager can settle smaller lawsuits, but I can't
1:40:38
Speaker 8: remember what the exact monetary cutoff is. The council must
1:40:43
Speaker 8: approve a lawsuit, certainly anything in the seven figures, which
1:40:46
Speaker 8: is typically what happens in a wrongful scenario. So there
1:40:52
Speaker 8: are some smaller suits that the city solicitor and the
1:40:56
Speaker 8: city manager can settle, but nothing like this. If you're
1:41:00
Speaker 8: going to actually move bigger amounts of money, council has
1:41:04
Speaker 8: to approve it. Well, they're allowed to, I mean, they
1:41:06
Speaker 8: routinely settle small thunder bender cases with city vehicles and
1:41:11
Speaker 8: things of that nature. But the big things they have
1:41:14
Speaker 8: to get approval, all right, And.
1:41:15
Speaker 4: I know, right of time, Joe, But I got to
1:41:16
Speaker 4: ask this one question. The Bell's been wrong. They went
1:41:18
Speaker 4: into executive council saison without mentioning why they were doing it.
1:41:21
Speaker 4: If that is an actionable offense, what's the legal recourse?
1:41:25
Speaker 4: What's the remedy for that? Because the Bell's been wrong,
1:41:28
Speaker 4: they had the meeting.
1:41:31
Speaker 8: Yeah, you're right, I mean, I mean typically what someone
1:41:34
Speaker 8: would do would be a taxpayer with fileolytical, a taxpayer
1:41:37
Speaker 8: lawsuit saying that they feel that their rights have been violated,
1:41:40
Speaker 8: and you try to get into the common Police court
1:41:43
Speaker 8: locally and see if you could convince a judge to
1:41:46
Speaker 8: award some sort of damages to that taxpayer as a
1:41:50
Speaker 8: deterrent to these guys. You know, My concern is that
1:41:54
Speaker 8: that really they don't seem to be all that interested
1:41:56
Speaker 8: in being deterred and they don't really seem to be
1:41:59
Speaker 8: paying any political price right now the way the city
1:42:02
Speaker 8: voters are responding. So we you file a lawsuit, but
1:42:06
Speaker 8: what good would do I really don't know.
1:42:09
Speaker 4: Maybe just to make a point a judgment suitable for framing.
1:42:12
Speaker 4: That's why we have legal expert Steve Goodin from the
1:42:14
Speaker 4: law firm Reporter Right to help us out with these matters. Steve,
1:42:16
Speaker 4: thank you so much for going to join the program
1:42:18
Speaker 4: late in the game. And you're always welcome here, and
1:42:20
Speaker 4: you know we're going to be calling you anytime we
1:42:22
Speaker 4: need sound legal advice and explanation.
1:42:25
Speaker 8: Hey, anytime, Barne, you guys take care.
1:42:27
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Speaker 11: Thanks so much for having me.
1:43:10
Speaker 4: Am I staring at a at a good news on
1:43:13
Speaker 4: the topic lest I mean, what price of gas and oil?
1:43:17
Speaker 4: Donald Trump just tweeted the other day about forty three
1:43:19
Speaker 4: states having gas under three dollars per gallon. Before we
1:43:22
Speaker 4: started talking, I just went over to gas buddy my
1:43:24
Speaker 4: personal zip code gas about between two oh nine and
1:43:28
Speaker 4: two forty two in the city proper the zip code
1:43:31
Speaker 4: for the city of Cincinnati two seventy nine, and then
1:43:33
Speaker 4: I just randomly chose Middletown, which is, you know, between
1:43:36
Speaker 4: here and Dayton two dollars and thirty three cents.
1:43:39
Speaker 8: Uh.
1:43:39
Speaker 4: I haven't seen prices like that for many, many years.
1:43:42
Speaker 4: That is an outstanding development and immediate relief in terms
1:43:45
Speaker 4: of the inflationary pressures we're talking about.
1:43:47
Speaker 1: John, your take, Yeah.
1:43:49
Speaker 11: That's absolutely right. I drove the other day just to
1:43:53
Speaker 11: a local gas station and I hadn't been the I
1:43:57
Speaker 11: hadn't been driving for a you know, must have been
1:44:00
Speaker 11: a week or two since I last filled up my car,
1:44:03
Speaker 11: and it was down to two forty nine. And I thought, Okay,
1:44:06
Speaker 11: this is an amazing development because we have, as you said,
1:44:12
Speaker 11: it mechanically actually forces down inflation in large part because
1:44:19
Speaker 11: the gasoline is and oil fuel energy in general is
1:44:24
Speaker 11: a large part of the entire inflation index. But also
1:44:28
Speaker 11: everything we touch has petroleum in it, and so and
1:44:32
Speaker 11: or is shipped with gasoline, so you have you know,
1:44:36
Speaker 11: whether it's food coming on trucks, whether it is the
1:44:40
Speaker 11: you know, plastics that we're buying everything. I was on
1:44:46
Speaker 11: Larry Tudlow's television show the other day and he was
1:44:48
Speaker 11: pointing out that his glasses are made of petroleum. So
1:44:51
Speaker 11: cheap oil, cheap gasoline is a way of getting everything
1:44:55
Speaker 11: less expensive than our lives.
1:44:56
Speaker 4: Yeah, and one can only help. But also maybe perhaps
1:44:59
Speaker 4: presu zom on some level that the price that we
1:45:02
Speaker 4: passed along the consumer. I think many manufacturers and providers
1:45:07
Speaker 4: of goods are looking for ways to provide some price
1:45:09
Speaker 4: relief and if they're going to save some money in
1:45:12
Speaker 4: terms of what they're paying to ship goods and serve
1:45:14
Speaker 4: or to ship the goods. I would think that's an
1:45:16
Speaker 4: easy way for them to pass along a little bit
1:45:18
Speaker 4: of savings to the American customer, right, And.
1:45:21
Speaker 11: It's not just out of the goodness of their heart.
1:45:23
Speaker 11: Of course, Target wants to compete with Walmart, so when
1:45:28
Speaker 11: Walmart's costs go down, they can lower the cost and
1:45:30
Speaker 11: then they they try to lower their prices when their
1:45:34
Speaker 11: costs go down to beat Target, Target has to do
1:45:37
Speaker 11: the same thing. So the competitive economy means that you
1:45:41
Speaker 11: do get these costs start to come down. And I
1:45:47
Speaker 11: also just think it will help people psychologically. Gasoline is
1:45:51
Speaker 11: one of those prices that we all see very frequently,
1:45:54
Speaker 11: even when we're not necessarily filling. Normal prices you only
1:45:58
Speaker 11: see when you're buying something. Prices of furniture you rarely
1:46:03
Speaker 11: see because how often you even buy a piece of furniture.
1:46:06
Speaker 11: Groceries you see more often, but only when you're at
1:46:08
Speaker 11: the grocery store. Gasoline you see all the time because
1:46:10
Speaker 11: of the minute you pass a gas station, they advertise
1:46:13
Speaker 11: what the price is, and so I think it adds
1:46:15
Speaker 11: a lot of sale ins for people, and people understand
1:46:18
Speaker 11: that they're not spending as much on the pump. It
1:46:21
Speaker 11: puts a little more money in their pockets to buy
1:46:23
Speaker 11: other things, and I think that'll be make people feel
1:46:26
Speaker 11: some relief from some of this burden left over from
1:46:30
Speaker 11: the Biden administration of very high inflation that a lot
1:46:33
Speaker 11: of us are still dealing with.
1:46:34
Speaker 4: Well, and I guess there's a compounding factor. You know,
1:46:38
Speaker 4: you would think more oil, more oil, more oil, the
1:46:41
Speaker 4: price will continue to go down. But there's a point
1:46:43
Speaker 4: at which a barrel of oil doesn't really generate sufficient
1:46:46
Speaker 4: revenue for the oil companies. I've heard domestic oil production
1:46:49
Speaker 4: companies need about fifty dollars a barrel. I think part
1:46:52
Speaker 4: of that has to do with the added costs of
1:46:54
Speaker 4: extracting oil and natural gas from shale, But there is
1:46:57
Speaker 4: a point of limited return. Now we've got alleged lead
1:47:00
Speaker 4: this Venezuela and oil that's going to be coming online.
1:47:02
Speaker 4: I'm not sure how much that's going to impact. And
1:47:04
Speaker 4: there are, of course a lot of logistical hurdles we
1:47:06
Speaker 4: have to deal with before that oil is going to
1:47:07
Speaker 4: start flowing, including oil companies agreement to go back to
1:47:11
Speaker 4: areas where they used to be able to drill and
1:47:13
Speaker 4: keep their profits until after the communist government socialist government
1:47:16
Speaker 4: comes in and nationalizes their resources. Can we get them
1:47:20
Speaker 4: to go back in And ultimately is that going to
1:47:22
Speaker 4: be a good thing for the oil companies considering it
1:47:25
Speaker 4: probably will bring the price of oil down.
1:47:27
Speaker 11: John, Yeah, so a couple of things. One, the price
1:47:31
Speaker 11: of US oil. I've often heard the fifty dollars quoted. Yeah,
1:47:35
Speaker 11: that's not necessarily fixed. We can bring down the cost
1:47:39
Speaker 11: of production of US energy and oil, in particular by
1:47:46
Speaker 11: one allowing some of these pipelines to get built, allowing
1:47:52
Speaker 11: not necessarily even less regulation, but more confident regulation. Look,
1:47:56
Speaker 11: the Biden administration didn't want it to be easy, and
1:48:01
Speaker 11: the Obama administration before that did not want it to
1:48:04
Speaker 11: be easy or cheap to extract oil out of the ground.
1:48:08
Speaker 11: They actually wanted to drive up the price because that
1:48:11
Speaker 11: would drive down the relative price of things like solar
1:48:14
Speaker 11: and wind. So they had been engaged in a campaign
1:48:18
Speaker 11: of making it more expensive to get oil out of
1:48:21
Speaker 11: the ground. So, yes, fifty dollars is the break even now,
1:48:24
Speaker 11: but it can come lower and once we get the
1:48:27
Speaker 11: regulation of it correct. As for Venezuela, I don't think
1:48:33
Speaker 11: we I think exon mobil has been very hesitant about
1:48:36
Speaker 11: going in. I understand that you got burned once the
1:48:39
Speaker 11: comedy season stuff. You're worried. But smaller guys actually are.
1:48:44
Speaker 8: We are eager.
1:48:46
Speaker 11: They want to go in. They say, look, we think
1:48:50
Speaker 11: this time will be safer. We know we have the
1:48:52
Speaker 11: back of the US President, so we think this is
1:48:56
Speaker 11: an investible opportunity. And is it risk free. No, but
1:49:00
Speaker 11: you know a lot of these they call them wild
1:49:03
Speaker 11: catter oil drillers. They're not going for the risk pre things.
1:49:07
Speaker 11: These guys want to take risks because that's where you
1:49:09
Speaker 11: make money.
1:49:10
Speaker 4: Well, I have always been convinced that taking plant food
1:49:13
Speaker 4: out of the atmosphere is dangerous for plants. It is
1:49:15
Speaker 4: not a pollutant carbon dioxide. It keeps the world green
1:49:18
Speaker 4: and going. We all learned about that in elementary score.
1:49:21
Speaker 4: At least we used to this whole idea that they
1:49:23
Speaker 4: wanted to. I mean, the predicate, remember Barack Obama, price
1:49:27
Speaker 4: of gas will necessarily go up. It was an artificial
1:49:31
Speaker 4: price increase. Take away the opportunity to drill easily. Throw
1:49:35
Speaker 4: in regulatory hurdles insurmountable. They are you're going to force
1:49:38
Speaker 4: people to go over to and you said that would
1:49:40
Speaker 4: make solar and wind appear more affordable only because gas
1:49:43
Speaker 4: a lien had been artificially increased in price. So you're
1:49:47
Speaker 4: competing with an artificially increased price product that we all
1:49:50
Speaker 4: want and need and can't do without because most of
1:49:53
Speaker 4: us have intertal combustion engines. You're going to replace it
1:49:55
Speaker 4: with solar panels and windmills that only come with the
1:50:00
Speaker 4: only way those can even manage themselves financially is with
1:50:04
Speaker 4: government subsidies, taxpayer dollars. The whole thing built on what
1:50:08
Speaker 4: I would argue the house of cards that seems to
1:50:10
Speaker 4: be falling apart in front of our very eyes, that
1:50:12
Speaker 4: we are somehow destroying the planet by allowing carbon dioxide
1:50:16
Speaker 4: to naturally exist and not try to extract it or
1:50:18
Speaker 4: not put it into the environment and environment in the
1:50:20
Speaker 4: first place.
1:50:22
Speaker 11: So that's absolutely right, and you've got the really perverted
1:50:27
Speaker 11: part of the policy. They're absolutely correct, and it was intentional.
1:50:31
Speaker 11: You can read the environmentalists, this is what they say
1:50:35
Speaker 11: they wanted to do. You subsidize the energy they like,
1:50:38
Speaker 11: you tax the energy or regulate the energy they don't like.
1:50:42
Speaker 11: And so you are basically visibly forcing people to bot
1:50:49
Speaker 11: to seek out alternatives because you've driven the price of
1:50:52
Speaker 11: gas so high, and you've artificially driven the price of
1:50:56
Speaker 11: non fossil fuels much lower. And that was actually But
1:51:00
Speaker 11: the problem is you can't get enough energy to run
1:51:03
Speaker 11: modern society with windmills and solar panels. It's not going
1:51:07
Speaker 11: to happen. We don't actually even have the technology for
1:51:10
Speaker 11: a lot of the Look where I live up in
1:51:13
Speaker 11: the northeast coast of the United States, if you try
1:51:17
Speaker 11: to run everything on solar, you would be in a
1:51:21
Speaker 11: lot You just wouldn't have energy for six months.
1:51:25
Speaker 8: Of the year.
1:51:25
Speaker 11: We're you know, we're in cloud covered New England here.
1:51:29
Speaker 11: This is not you can't run solar all over the country.
1:51:33
Speaker 1: No, of course not.
1:51:34
Speaker 4: And of course, with artificial intelligence demands increasing the load
1:51:38
Speaker 4: on the grid, I mean exponentially, we can't satisfy the
1:51:42
Speaker 4: needs of AI, and so much so that I think
1:51:44
Speaker 4: the one development that's coming out of all this that's
1:51:46
Speaker 4: going to be great for America generally speaking, is that
1:51:49
Speaker 4: we're no longer turning our backs on the concept of
1:51:52
Speaker 4: small modular reactors or nuclear production. Generally speaking, an abundance
1:51:56
Speaker 4: of power and oh look, it's been carbon free the
1:51:58
Speaker 4: whole time, and yet the environment analysts fought nuclear tooth
1:52:01
Speaker 4: and nail much in the same way they fight anything
1:52:03
Speaker 4: that involves fossil fuel. It's all insane. But the demand
1:52:07
Speaker 4: of business and industry and these evil multi billionaires with
1:52:10
Speaker 4: their AI companies, seems to be trumping this religion that
1:52:14
Speaker 4: we all have been following blindly.
1:52:18
Speaker 11: It's actually been a great development, not intentional, but this
1:52:21
Speaker 11: is the way things have worked out that for a
1:52:23
Speaker 11: long time we actually had a bunch of these tech
1:52:26
Speaker 11: companies that believed that because they themselves weren't using much energy,
1:52:32
Speaker 11: that they were willing to get behind a lot of
1:52:35
Speaker 11: these horrible climate change policies that drove up the price
1:52:40
Speaker 11: of energy.
1:52:41
Speaker 7: Now that we have the new.
1:52:43
Speaker 11: Technology and the money that's going into things like AI
1:52:47
Speaker 11: that it is actually energy intensive rather than than not,
1:52:52
Speaker 11: you're actually getting Silicon Valley and the new technologists to
1:52:57
Speaker 11: support energy abundance rather than oppose it. That's a very
1:53:00
Speaker 11: positive and frankly unexpected development. I didn't see that coming,
1:53:04
Speaker 11: and it's terrific because it means that basically we're recruiting
1:53:09
Speaker 11: a bunch of pretty wealthy people to be on the
1:53:13
Speaker 11: side of ordinary Americans when it comes to energy, and
1:53:16
Speaker 11: that's terrific.
1:53:17
Speaker 4: Well, they have to advocate that for their own survival. Finally,
1:53:20
Speaker 4: the chickens as home to ruse for these you know,
1:53:22
Speaker 4: multi billionaires who are so blindly following leftists and funding
1:53:25
Speaker 4: every leftist cause out in the world. Oh, whoops. I
1:53:29
Speaker 4: guess our situations changed. So we're going to change our
1:53:31
Speaker 4: minds and maybe that'll help again convert people over to
1:53:34
Speaker 4: the right side of thinking, which is, no carbon dioxide
1:53:37
Speaker 4: isn't bad. It's plant food, all right. Is the economy
1:53:40
Speaker 4: getting better?
1:53:41
Speaker 1: Are we? Are we booming? Are we not?
1:53:43
Speaker 4: I suppose it depends on where you read an article.
1:53:45
Speaker 4: Everybody with an opinion has a different outlook on it.
1:53:47
Speaker 4: It's like subjectivities under the equation. Shouldn't this be a
1:53:51
Speaker 4: sort of a concrete thing. I guess it just depends
1:53:53
Speaker 4: on which sector of the economy you're looking at. John Carney.
1:53:57
Speaker 11: So right now, the economy is growing very rapidly, and
1:54:00
Speaker 11: I think it's important that people see this. That we
1:54:04
Speaker 11: grew at a three point eight percent in the second quarter,
1:54:08
Speaker 11: of four point one in the third, and we might
1:54:11
Speaker 11: be growing as fast as even faster than that in
1:54:16
Speaker 11: the fourth quarter. That gave us a lot of momentum
1:54:19
Speaker 11: going into this year. That's really good. The unemployment rate
1:54:23
Speaker 11: has fallen, which is the opposite of what a lot
1:54:26
Speaker 11: of people thought it was going to do. They thought
1:54:28
Speaker 11: it was going to keep going up. So this is
1:54:30
Speaker 11: all good news. And inflation has come in quite Look
1:54:32
Speaker 11: in just a couple of minutes we'll get some more
1:54:34
Speaker 11: inflation numbers.
1:54:37
Speaker 9: This is what we want.
1:54:38
Speaker 11: We want non inflationary growth. And by the way, wages
1:54:42
Speaker 11: are rising faster than the rate of inflation, which means
1:54:45
Speaker 11: that people have more purchasing power. The things we all
1:54:48
Speaker 11: need to survive in this world are becoming more affordable
1:54:51
Speaker 11: because we're getting the amount we get paid is going
1:54:54
Speaker 11: up faster than the prices. That's terrific and it's something
1:54:56
Speaker 11: that hasn't happened in a long time. Are dangers, Look,
1:55:01
Speaker 11: interest rates are still pretty high. That could still cause
1:55:05
Speaker 11: one of the things interest rates do eventually is slow
1:55:08
Speaker 11: down hiring. So there are dangers still in the economy.
1:55:11
Speaker 11: Will never not you not have risks to the economy.
1:55:16
Speaker 11: But the economy is doing well right now, and I
1:55:19
Speaker 11: think the legacy media is trying to blind us like this,
1:55:23
Speaker 11: But we are doing well well.
1:55:26
Speaker 4: Three things that Democrats seem to have going into the
1:55:28
Speaker 4: November election. You got healthcare and the subsidies, you got inflation,
1:55:33
Speaker 4: and of course I suppose in the immigration situation, what
1:55:37
Speaker 4: side are you on getting rid of these evil people
1:55:40
Speaker 4: in the United States or letting everybody just stay here
1:55:43
Speaker 4: without any intervention.
1:55:44
Speaker 1: So that's it.
1:55:45
Speaker 4: Hopefully the economy kicks in in full earnest before November,
1:55:48
Speaker 4: taking the wind out of the democrats sales.
1:55:50
Speaker 1: On that one.
1:55:50
Speaker 4: We know that John Carney from Breitbart's going to be
1:55:53
Speaker 4: reporting on all of it. Breitbart dot com is ory
1:55:55
Speaker 4: you find John and the crew. John, thank you so
1:55:57
Speaker 4: much for joining me on the program this morning. It's
1:55:59
Speaker 4: always a pleasure having you on and for my listeners
1:56:02
Speaker 4: and me. Keep up the great work over at bright Bart.
1:56:05
Speaker 11: Thanks so much and looking forward to being on again.
1:56:08
Speaker 4: Looking forward to it already, my friend, have a great week.
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Speaker 4: every single week. Welcome back, Daniel Davis. It's always a pleasure, sir.
1:56:47
Speaker 4: Good to see you did a lot to be here, Brian,
1:56:50
Speaker 4: thanks for having me back.
1:56:51
Speaker 1: All right, let's start with Iran.
1:56:54
Speaker 4: This kind of reminded me of the red line of
1:56:56
Speaker 4: the sand Barack Obama mentioned with regard to Syria. It's
1:56:59
Speaker 4: use a weapons, you know, blah blah blah, redline of
1:57:01
Speaker 4: the stand, do not cross it. And then the line
1:57:03
Speaker 4: gets crossed, and then you wait and wait and wait
1:57:05
Speaker 4: for something to happen, and nothing really happens. Donald Trump
1:57:08
Speaker 4: lately has been making a lot of very strong pronouncements
1:57:11
Speaker 4: with regard to the crackdown on protesters in Iran. Most
1:57:14
Speaker 4: notably last week, he said on Friday, I made the
1:57:17
Speaker 4: statement very strongly to the they, the Irani and start
1:57:20
Speaker 4: killing people like they have in the past. We will
1:57:22
Speaker 4: get involved, will be hitting them very hard where it hurts.
1:57:25
Speaker 4: Doesn't mean boots on the ground, but it means hitting
1:57:26
Speaker 4: them very hard, very hard, where it hurts. Similar pronounces
1:57:29
Speaker 4: have been made, but the crackdown continues now. Depending upon
1:57:32
Speaker 4: who you believe. Given the fog of war, somewhere between
1:57:35
Speaker 4: oh six hundred and two thousand protesters have been killed,
1:57:39
Speaker 4: lots and lots arrested a multiplier of that, but it continues.
1:57:44
Speaker 4: Internet's been shut down, which makes it a little more
1:57:47
Speaker 4: difficult for the protesters to organize themselves. But the Trump
1:57:52
Speaker 4: response now has been to levy a twenty five percent
1:57:55
Speaker 4: tariffyn countries doing business with Iran? Is that the step
1:57:59
Speaker 4: after these claims about military involvement and bombs being dropped
1:58:03
Speaker 4: and least alluding to all of that, is this the
1:58:06
Speaker 4: response to the line being crossed? Because of course this
1:58:09
Speaker 4: killing continues. Daniel Davis, You know.
1:58:12
Speaker 2: I mean I want to back up just a bit
1:58:15
Speaker 2: and even look at why was that a redline ever drawn? Period?
1:58:18
Speaker 3: What?
1:58:19
Speaker 2: Why is it in the interest of America? Why is
1:58:21
Speaker 2: it a vital national issues that we should risk our troops,
1:58:25
Speaker 2: our planes and go and kill somebody in another country
1:58:29
Speaker 2: because there's some protests going on, or there's things happening
1:58:32
Speaker 2: in there we don't like, or that their protesters being killed.
1:58:34
Speaker 2: Even that's not there's no authorization or justification for that anyway,
1:58:40
Speaker 2: And so I don't know why we would let that
1:58:42
Speaker 2: be a deciding factor if it wasn't our national security
1:58:45
Speaker 2: or anything related to the interest of America. So that's
1:58:49
Speaker 2: the first question, which has not been answered at all
1:58:52
Speaker 2: so far, right, and then the second one is if
1:58:54
Speaker 2: you're gonna make a threat and then all of a
1:58:56
Speaker 2: sudden there's a basically a truth social post, it's a
1:59:00
Speaker 2: twenty five percent. That's I mean, there's there's literally thousands
1:59:03
Speaker 2: of sanctions already on Iran. This is not no one's
1:59:06
Speaker 2: even gonna notice this one. It's not gonna have any
1:59:08
Speaker 2: real impact on anything. So I don't really understand.
1:59:11
Speaker 3: Now.
1:59:12
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what I'm concerned about. What I fear
1:59:14
Speaker 2: is that we just don't have all the assets in
1:59:17
Speaker 2: place right now, and that's the only reason you haven't
1:59:19
Speaker 2: seen any strikes, because we don't have that much combat
1:59:22
Speaker 2: power up there. You may recall that just a few
1:59:24
Speaker 2: days before this, we did have a big strike in Sirius,
1:59:28
Speaker 2: so that's obviously in the same region, and we do
1:59:30
Speaker 2: have some package. I was curious that we used apparently
1:59:33
Speaker 2: a large strike package against alleged ISIS targets in Syria
1:59:38
Speaker 2: when we're already talking about maybe doing something in Iran.
1:59:41
Speaker 2: And you don't see this big build up of power
1:59:43
Speaker 2: like you did, say before the war in twenty or
1:59:46
Speaker 2: the options in twenty twenty four when we helped Israel
1:59:49
Speaker 2: against Iran, or in the so called Twelve Day war
1:59:52
Speaker 2: in June of last year. So I'm not sure what
1:59:55
Speaker 2: we can do other than firing, you know, some demonstrative
1:59:58
Speaker 2: missile strikes here and there. It's not going to be
2:00:01
Speaker 2: really painful, and who knows whether they're going to have
2:00:04
Speaker 2: any impact. So this is this is a big.
2:00:06
Speaker 1: Puzzle to me.
2:00:07
Speaker 4: It is, and I suppose to the former comments, you're
2:00:09
Speaker 4: channeling a friend of the show, Senator Ran Paul, who
2:00:12
Speaker 4: expresses the same concerns about congressional involvement, declarations of war,
2:00:17
Speaker 4: and the larger question, Wait a second, are we going
2:00:19
Speaker 4: to be doing this everywhere freedom and democracy or whatever
2:00:23
Speaker 4: is in jeopardy or anywhere in the world, whether people
2:00:25
Speaker 4: being having the rights violated, and the answer is that
2:00:28
Speaker 4: that would be literally impossible. So we're picking and choosing.
2:00:31
Speaker 4: But also I read an article, and maybe this is
2:00:35
Speaker 4: to your point about whether we are ready to engage
2:00:38
Speaker 4: in some sort of military operation in Iran. I've heard
2:00:40
Speaker 4: that the military, the folks within the military, the generals,
2:00:43
Speaker 4: the admirals with whom I guess Donald Trump consults, say
2:00:46
Speaker 4: they are not ready to do engage, to engage in
2:00:48
Speaker 4: this that bombing Iran may suggest a much longer, more
2:00:52
Speaker 4: protracted military involvement than we are ready to bite off
2:00:56
Speaker 4: at this point. I guess we got our hands full
2:00:58
Speaker 4: over in Venezuela with a lot of military resources there.
2:01:01
Speaker 4: We certainly have not had the problem when the South
2:01:03
Speaker 4: China seed disappear or go anywhere. So we're kind of
2:01:06
Speaker 4: spread far and wide. Is that really maybe part of
2:01:09
Speaker 4: the problem, Daniel Davis.
2:01:12
Speaker 2: Well, it's part of many problems. I'll tell you that
2:01:14
Speaker 2: the fact that we are spread literally to the four
2:01:16
Speaker 2: winds in the seven Seas, and our four structure is
2:01:20
Speaker 2: not really that big, and so if you get called
2:01:23
Speaker 2: into engagement anywhere, it's going to come close to tapping
2:01:27
Speaker 2: you out. And we saw we had fifteen percent of
2:01:29
Speaker 2: the Navy and all kinds of other power Marines, air Force, Navy,
2:01:34
Speaker 2: all down there in the Venezulin area. Well, a lot
2:01:36
Speaker 2: of that, most of it is, I understand, is still there,
2:01:38
Speaker 2: so you haven't redeployed that anywhere. It takes a long
2:01:41
Speaker 2: time to ship things back over into the Middle East, etc.
2:01:45
Speaker 2: I think you'd need probably a couple of aircraft carriers
2:01:47
Speaker 2: if you're going to do anything meaningful to Iron and
2:01:50
Speaker 2: I haven't even heard of the potential deployments of any
2:01:53
Speaker 2: that yet. Thankfully, I'm glad because the last thing we
2:01:55
Speaker 2: need to do is to go back and start another
2:01:57
Speaker 2: war with Iran, because Iran has said that this time
2:02:00
Speaker 2: that the gloves would come off if you attack us again.
2:02:03
Speaker 2: We're going to hit your bases throughout the Middle East.
2:02:05
Speaker 2: And I can just tell you from personal experience of
2:02:08
Speaker 2: being there, many of these far flung bases that we
2:02:11
Speaker 2: have throughout the Middle East have literally no air defense
2:02:14
Speaker 2: coverage on a stratega or on a theater level operation,
2:02:17
Speaker 2: and those missiles from Iran could just rain down and
2:02:19
Speaker 2: there's nothing we could do to stop them. They could
2:02:21
Speaker 2: cause enormous damage, and we need to be really, really
2:02:25
Speaker 2: careful that we don't get into this habit that we
2:02:28
Speaker 2: can bomb anyone we want, like Venezuela and nothing will happen. Ever,
2:02:31
Speaker 2: because one of these days we're going to buy off
2:02:34
Speaker 2: more than we can chew, and all of a sudden,
2:02:36
Speaker 2: there could be Americans throughout the Middle East. They are
2:02:38
Speaker 2: killed for no reason at all. So this is something
2:02:41
Speaker 2: we really don't need to do.
2:02:43
Speaker 4: So, I would think given the seemingly precarious nature of
2:02:47
Speaker 4: the Iranian administration, given the protests, a lot of people
2:02:50
Speaker 4: speculating that maybe the regime will be overthrown. Remains to
2:02:53
Speaker 4: be seen. But desperate situations result in desperate acts. So,
2:02:58
Speaker 4: Daniel Davis, in your military experience, do you think Iran
2:03:01
Speaker 4: will make good and launch attacks on our various military
2:03:05
Speaker 4: resources in the Middle East? Which suggests also that Israel
2:03:08
Speaker 4: might get attacked. They've done it before. That means Israel
2:03:10
Speaker 4: would get involved in whatever retaliation if they launched one.
2:03:15
Speaker 2: That is the threat that it would be the US
2:03:17
Speaker 2: and Israel, they said, and not or so they would
2:03:21
Speaker 2: have hit both. And I think that the intent is
2:03:23
Speaker 2: to say, hey, look, you saw what happened during the
2:03:24
Speaker 2: Twelve Day War. Your air defenses in Israel couldn't even
2:03:28
Speaker 2: protect you, and it won't protect you this time either,
2:03:30
Speaker 2: because we have rebuilt a lot of the capacity that
2:03:32
Speaker 2: we lost there and they've continued to make a lot
2:03:34
Speaker 2: of these better era ballistic missiles that were so successful
2:03:38
Speaker 2: last time. And listen, a lot of these protests, too
2:03:42
Speaker 2: many people in the West are saying, oh, this is
2:03:44
Speaker 2: just all indigenous stuff, It's just natural.
2:03:46
Speaker 3: It's not.
2:03:48
Speaker 2: There has been long time simmering things. There are domestic issues,
2:03:51
Speaker 2: but there is no question that a lot of this
2:03:53
Speaker 2: has been fomented from the outside. Mike Pompeo openly admitted
2:03:57
Speaker 2: on his ex account that Mossad is in the is
2:04:00
Speaker 2: already on the ground there. There has been many other
2:04:02
Speaker 2: credible reports that both I six and CIA has been
2:04:05
Speaker 2: fomenting things on the ground to try to make it
2:04:07
Speaker 2: worse than it was, and a lot of people in
2:04:10
Speaker 2: Iran are understanding recognize that. The reason why that is
2:04:14
Speaker 2: so important to understand is when you're talking about there
2:04:18
Speaker 2: is the legitimate possibility for large scale upheavals that could
2:04:22
Speaker 2: overturn the regime if you make them. The regime recognized
2:04:26
Speaker 2: that they their very existence could be a threat if
2:04:29
Speaker 2: they do nothing. Now they have no motivation to restrain
2:04:32
Speaker 2: themselves if you now add on top of that missile.
2:04:35
Speaker 2: So we don't want to put them into back them
2:04:38
Speaker 2: into a corner to where it's like use it or
2:04:39
Speaker 2: lose it, because they may use it. I'm just telling
2:04:42
Speaker 2: you our defenses will not stop most of these things,
2:04:45
Speaker 2: and we will suffer casualties if we put them in
2:04:48
Speaker 2: a no win situation.
2:04:49
Speaker 4: Well, you know, interesting the global outside influence pot stirring
2:04:53
Speaker 4: that's made that's led to some of these protests, we
2:04:55
Speaker 4: might want to look a little bit inwardly about that
2:04:57
Speaker 4: same concept happening here in the United States of America.
2:05:00
Speaker 4: Good because we have a lot of protesters here who
2:05:02
Speaker 4: many analysts and researchers have suggested are being stirred by
2:05:06
Speaker 4: outside nefarious forces. You just simply don't like the United States.
2:05:11
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, what's good for the goose is good
2:05:14
Speaker 2: for the gander kind of thing, and we don't like that.
2:05:16
Speaker 2: We you don't talk about how bad it is, and
2:05:18
Speaker 2: we try to expose it whenever that does happen. And
2:05:22
Speaker 2: we've been doing it for decades, I mean, oh yeah,
2:05:25
Speaker 2: a long time. And you know, and sometimes those chickens
2:05:28
Speaker 2: can come home to roost. And this is part of
2:05:30
Speaker 2: the reason why I'm adamantly against that. I actually believe
2:05:34
Speaker 2: in self determination of people in Iran want to change
2:05:37
Speaker 2: their former government. That is their right prerogative. They take
2:05:40
Speaker 2: all the risks and the potential rewards for whatever they
2:05:43
Speaker 2: do on their own. We don't need to stir the
2:05:47
Speaker 2: thing up or do anything because our national security is
2:05:49
Speaker 2: not at risk no matter who runs Iran. They are
2:05:51
Speaker 2: a weak country militarily and they don't threaten us at all,
2:05:55
Speaker 2: so we don't need to use any force. Whatever they
2:05:58
Speaker 2: do is on their own. But when we do that, Brian,
2:06:00
Speaker 2: it then invites it to come back home. And I
2:06:03
Speaker 2: fear that we may find that tour sha grin one day.
2:06:05
Speaker 4: Well, it's interesting quote silver Parallel that I'm gonna quickly
2:06:08
Speaker 4: draw here the anti Iranian sentiment, and I agree with
2:06:12
Speaker 4: your principles about we don't need to be going around
2:06:14
Speaker 4: telling anybody else how to live their lives. Period, and
2:06:16
Speaker 4: point taken. The anti Iranian propaganda's built into the equation.
2:06:23
Speaker 4: We remember the overthrow of the shot, we remember the
2:06:25
Speaker 4: taking of the hostages, remember Iran threatening to blow everybody
2:06:27
Speaker 4: up with a nuclear weapon. We think it's a dangerous
2:06:29
Speaker 4: thing to get a nuclear weapon, on and on. This
2:06:31
Speaker 4: has been going on for decades, so there's this general
2:06:33
Speaker 4: animosity toward Iran, which makes something like this military strike
2:06:37
Speaker 4: seem more palatable, Like, yeah, this sounds analogous to Vladimir Putin. Yeah,
2:06:41
Speaker 4: he was affiliated with the Soviet Union. A lot of
2:06:43
Speaker 4: people my age, you know, I'm sixty, I remember the
2:06:45
Speaker 4: Cold War. I hated the Soviet Union as much as
2:06:48
Speaker 4: the next guy. So sort of that animosity is baked
2:06:51
Speaker 4: into the cake, which is I think a lot of
2:06:52
Speaker 4: the reason why people are so against the Russian invasion
2:06:55
Speaker 4: in Ukraine again to the security interests of the United States.
2:06:59
Speaker 4: Ukraine doesn't really hose any this war is ongoing. I
2:07:02
Speaker 4: see that Russia recently bombed to the Ukrainian city which
2:07:06
Speaker 4: with reportedly one of those hypersonic missiles. Is that accurate,
2:07:09
Speaker 4: because seems to me that Russia still keeps moving forward
2:07:13
Speaker 4: and capture more Land.
2:07:14
Speaker 2: Daniel, Yes, it is, It is absolutely accurate. I was
2:07:18
Speaker 2: reading some of those reports this very morning, a lot
2:07:20
Speaker 2: of viscandors and other hypersonic missiles, and then another wave
2:07:25
Speaker 2: of the Guarante drones, the theater level drones that have
2:07:28
Speaker 2: been going across most of them, well not most of them,
2:07:31
Speaker 2: but it's large number of them, a large percentage to
2:07:33
Speaker 2: get through every time. And it has just continuing to
2:07:37
Speaker 2: just destroy the ability of Ukraine to have any energy, electricity,
2:07:41
Speaker 2: to either to do business or to have military industrial capacity.
2:07:46
Speaker 2: It's all just devastating that. And now then they're they're
2:07:49
Speaker 2: the mayor of Kiev is literally telling people to leave
2:07:52
Speaker 2: the city because they don't have enough power to keep
2:07:55
Speaker 2: people from freezing to death.
2:07:57
Speaker 4: That tells you a lot right there, It really does.
2:08:00
Speaker 4: I want to say war of attrition, but it's one
2:08:01
Speaker 4: that the Russians seemed to be winning. Just real quick,
2:08:04
Speaker 4: I quick question for we part Coedy Daniel Davis. Did
2:08:07
Speaker 4: you ever when this first started, this conflict with Russian
2:08:09
Speaker 4: invading Ukraine, did you ever anticipate that it would take
2:08:12
Speaker 4: this long, that this war would still be going on
2:08:15
Speaker 4: without some clear victory. I would imagine my guests early
2:08:18
Speaker 4: on would have been the Russians would have rolled right
2:08:20
Speaker 4: over Ukraine absent some massive outside force boots on the
2:08:24
Speaker 4: ground from the European Union or NATO or whatever. But
2:08:27
Speaker 4: they keep moving forward, and it's been going on for
2:08:29
Speaker 4: a long time.
2:08:30
Speaker 2: Well, The problem with the Russians is that, and with
2:08:34
Speaker 2: that scenario is that they did not intend to do that.
2:08:37
Speaker 2: They did not intend to roll over and take over
2:08:39
Speaker 2: the country because they knew that. I mean, they'd been
2:08:41
Speaker 2: watching a year civil war going on before then, they'd
2:08:44
Speaker 2: been watching NATO build up the Ukraine military, so they
2:08:47
Speaker 2: knew that they were capable and fairly large, and so
2:08:50
Speaker 2: they went in with a relatively small force. It was
2:08:52
Speaker 2: a demonstration force. This canard that Russia thought they were
2:08:57
Speaker 2: going to win in three days was nonsense. They never
2:08:59
Speaker 2: said that. They never intended that. They didn't have the
2:09:01
Speaker 2: force to it. They intended to compel a negotiated settlement,
2:09:05
Speaker 2: which they nearly got in Istanbul two months into the war.
2:09:08
Speaker 2: But then when they didn't get that, they didn't have
2:09:10
Speaker 2: a plan B resourced, and that's when they said, oh crap.
2:09:13
Speaker 2: And so it took them a year and a half
2:09:14
Speaker 2: to get back up to the point to where they're
2:09:16
Speaker 2: at now, where they can fight and win a war
2:09:18
Speaker 2: of attrition. That's where they're at now.
2:09:20
Speaker 9: And so.
2:09:22
Speaker 2: That no, to answer your question, I didn't expect this.
2:09:25
Speaker 2: Russia didn't expect this. I did not expect that this
2:09:27
Speaker 2: would go on this long I thought we'd have a
2:09:29
Speaker 2: negotiated settlement a long time ago, because that was in
2:09:32
Speaker 2: the best interests of Europe, Ukraine and the United States. Unfortunately,
2:09:36
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Speaker 4: back to the Morning Show. Dusty Rhoads, former Hamilton County auditor,
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Speaker 4: came up with a had a conversation yesterday with Senate
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Speaker 4: candidate from the seventh district here in the state of Ohio,
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Speaker 4: Zach Haynes, who talked about property tax relief. We certainly
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Speaker 4: need it, and many people can't afford to pay their
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Speaker 4: property taxes, especially when they jump thirty plus percent overnight.
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Speaker 4: Dusty Rhoads, a lot of ideas floating around out there.
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Speaker 4: I know the budget from the state of Ohio. The
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Speaker 4: elect officials said, here are some property tax relief items,
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Speaker 4: and our governor line item vetoed them. We are facing
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Speaker 4: a potential ballot initiative which would eliminate, by way of
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Speaker 4: constitutional amendment in Ohio, the collection of property taxes, which
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Speaker 4: sounds interesting, get your popcorn out type of event, Dusty,
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Speaker 4: but it's going to be really complicated if that happens.
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Speaker 4: Where are we, Dusty Rhoads. Is there any relief out
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Speaker 4: there that's possible in what would happen if we just
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Speaker 4: got rid of it? Dusty, welcome back. Happy new year,
2:11:30
Speaker 4: by the.
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Speaker 6: Way, Happy new year, Brian. Good to be whether it's interesting.
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Speaker 6: The first thing I want to note is there were
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Speaker 6: a bunch of property tax issues on the ballot in
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Speaker 6: November in Hamilton County, and you know how many of
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Speaker 6: them passed?
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Speaker 1: It was all but like one, weren't there all of them?
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Speaker 6: All of them?
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Speaker 4: I thought maybe, okay, I thought maybe one of the
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Speaker 4: local school levies got shot down.
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Speaker 6: No, they all passed. And so that indicates to me
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Speaker 6: that this property tax issue is not the big issue
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Speaker 6: we thought it was. I mean, don't you think there'd
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Speaker 6: be an outpouring of votes against property taxes?
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Speaker 1: Well? Dost he?
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Speaker 4: Don't ask me what I think about the most recent election,
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Speaker 4: since only one out of four registered voters in the
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Speaker 4: city anyway bothered to show up. I think that's just
2:12:25
Speaker 4: the problem of low information voters and off your election,
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Speaker 4: and people who just are not politically paying attention, and
2:12:30
Speaker 4: many people who like for example, apartment renters, who don't
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Speaker 4: really think that property tax impacts them.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, they don't realize that it's built into their
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Speaker 6: rental payment. But the problem is the twenty mil floor,
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Speaker 6: and I think they've passed something that limits that a little.
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Speaker 6: That's the device that the school's got to avoid the
2:12:55
Speaker 6: rollback of the taxes. When values go up, every other
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Speaker 6: tax rolled back so that the police department and fire
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Speaker 6: departments and mental health levey and didn't get more than
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Speaker 6: the voters approved money wise, and if that was in
2:13:17
Speaker 6: effect for the schools, Texas wouldn't have jumped that much.
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Speaker 1: Well the other thing, Oh, go ahead and finish your thought.
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Speaker 6: Well, Well, the thing is there is a conspiracy of
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Speaker 6: silence in the Columbus news people to not talk about it.
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Speaker 6: I've asked Tom said Us, the guy who writes for
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Speaker 6: the Inquirer, five times. Welly, I didn't write about the
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Speaker 6: twenty mil floor, and he won't answer me. I've asked
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Speaker 6: the two reporters in Columbus for Gannette and they won't
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Speaker 6: answer either.
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Speaker 1: Maybe they don't get it.
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Speaker 9: Well I don't.
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Speaker 6: It's simple look at it. Maybe it's hard to believe though,
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Speaker 6: the twenty mili floor and the exemption for the schools
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Speaker 6: which in the district's qualified, and that's eight or nine.
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Speaker 6: Here every district in Butler County qualified taxes went up
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Speaker 6: a lot without a vote of the people, and that's
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Speaker 6: the twenty mil floor Cambit.
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Speaker 1: Well, Dusty Rhodes.
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Speaker 4: How about I know it's been discussed, it's not me
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Speaker 4: coming up with the concept, but how about an adjustment
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Speaker 4: for inflation in terms of property tax increases as opposed
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Speaker 4: to market valuation. I mean, you go through something like
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Speaker 4: COVID where everybody and his brother is out buying up
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Speaker 4: all the real estate. You now have institutional investors which
2:14:47
Speaker 4: have been around since we had the housing crash back
2:14:49
Speaker 4: in the mid two thousands. They're buying up property. They
2:14:52
Speaker 4: have a lot more money. Of course, it drives the
2:14:53
Speaker 4: prices of real estate supplying demands. Runningto a problem the
2:14:56
Speaker 4: additional twenty million immigrants over the past several years. That
2:14:59
Speaker 4: creates a bit of a house and shortage. So if
2:15:01
Speaker 4: there's not enough houses to go around, the prices necessarily increase,
2:15:06
Speaker 4: and that is going to cause the property taxes to increase,
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Speaker 4: maybe thirty percent, depending upon the market. But how about
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Speaker 4: something that suggested solely on the basis of the amount
2:15:13
Speaker 4: of inflation. It would take some of the sting out
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Speaker 4: of these radical fluctuations, wouldn't it right?
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Speaker 6: And real estate doesn't track inflation. It jumps a lot
2:15:23
Speaker 6: and it declines a lot, and it doesn't track inflation.
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Speaker 6: So if you take that out of the equation, that
2:15:33
Speaker 6: would be something that they could do. But I like
2:15:36
Speaker 6: the fact that the schools and the townships and everybody
2:15:40
Speaker 6: had to go to the voters every three or four
2:15:43
Speaker 6: years and ask for money and justify the request, and
2:15:47
Speaker 6: most cases had passed because they made the case. But
2:15:53
Speaker 6: now they're exempted by this twenty Mili four nonsense. And
2:15:58
Speaker 6: the legislatures tried to rein that in and I think
2:16:02
Speaker 6: that bill passed that ties it to inflation. But the
2:16:06
Speaker 6: problem is with doing away with the property tax completely.
2:16:11
Speaker 6: These people are well meaning, but they're doomed. They're wasting
2:16:15
Speaker 6: their time. And remember in the eighties when the income
2:16:20
Speaker 6: tax went in and they put it on the ballot
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Speaker 6: and you would do away with the income tax, and
2:16:29
Speaker 6: they lost. And the income tax is still there and
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Speaker 6: the property tax. All they need to say against it
2:16:36
Speaker 6: is will shut down your fire department?
2:16:39
Speaker 1: Yeah?
2:16:39
Speaker 6: No, God, that's it.
2:16:41
Speaker 4: The ad campaign is going to be overwhelming. You know
2:16:44
Speaker 4: your schools are going to save the fire department. The
2:16:46
Speaker 4: parks are going to get shut down. It's yeah, And
2:16:48
Speaker 4: there's not going to be any moneyed organized effort to
2:16:51
Speaker 4: support rolling back property taxes right right going back to
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Speaker 4: the schools, and this comes up all the time, and
2:16:58
Speaker 4: again it came up with the other day with us
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Speaker 4: and a candidate, Zach Haynes. Twenty years ago or maybe
2:17:03
Speaker 4: even more, the Ohio State Supreme Court ruled that the
2:17:06
Speaker 4: current funding of schools is unconstitutional. And here we are,
2:17:09
Speaker 4: twenty plus years later, we're doing it the same way.
2:17:11
Speaker 4: I guess the Supreme Court pronouncements don't matter in the
2:17:14
Speaker 4: state of Ohio.
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Speaker 6: What the state isn't doing enough. And Bart West, who
2:17:20
Speaker 6: was on the Who Kills school Board and a former
2:17:23
Speaker 6: police chief in Green Township, points out that West Virginia
2:17:28
Speaker 6: even and the surrounding states are paying five thousand or
2:17:32
Speaker 6: more a student and Ohio is paying about three thousand.
2:17:36
Speaker 6: So they're underfunding and putting the burden on the property
2:17:39
Speaker 6: tax payer. And that was caseis trick too. He did
2:17:43
Speaker 6: the same thing. He put the burden on the local
2:17:47
Speaker 6: governments by cutting the local government fund. And the state
2:17:51
Speaker 6: is the most efficient tax selector with the income tax,
2:17:55
Speaker 6: which is fair according to how much you make, and
2:18:00
Speaker 6: they've been whittling that down and throwing the burden on
2:18:04
Speaker 6: local governments and it's the problem. Property tax problem is
2:18:10
Speaker 6: the result.
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Speaker 4: Dusty Roads. If more honor for Hamilton County. It's great
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Speaker 4: having you on, Dusty. I hope you are doing well
2:18:18
Speaker 4: and your family's doing well. It's a pleasure to having
2:18:20
Speaker 4: you on the program. We can talk again when these
2:18:21
Speaker 4: matters come up, and I know you're always willing to
2:18:23
Speaker 4: discuss it with my listeners and me. Happy New Year
2:18:26
Speaker 4: to you, sir. Thanks for spending some time with my
2:18:27
Speaker 4: listeners with me today, Dusty.
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Speaker 6: Happy new Year to you, Brian and all the best
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Speaker 6: in twenty twenty six.
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Speaker 4: Hey, just fyi, we're going to be at ronz Rous
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Speaker 4: on the West Side for the next listener launch fourth
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Speaker 4: of February. That's first Wednesday, February. I know you come
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Speaker 4: every once in a while. I'm just extending an infin
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Speaker 4: invitation with no pressure to show up. But it's always
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Speaker 4: great when you show up the listener lunch, my friend,
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Speaker 4: I'll be there.
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Speaker 1: Take care, Dusty Roads. That'll be uh Rods