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7/10/26: Dems Scramble To Replace Platner, Iran Trump Assassination Claims From Israel · Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar

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  Speaker 5: Thank you. Yes, So now we have here and the
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  Speaker 8: So we'll have treat de Parsi on later in the
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  Speaker 8: program to talk about the latest strikes going back and forth. Uh,
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  Speaker 8: the US, because it wants to constantly go for the
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  Speaker 8: title of the like most vindictive and petty country on
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  Speaker 8: the planet, bombed the rail lines on the way in
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  Speaker 8: and out of Mashad, the city where they're holding the
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  Speaker 8: funeral for the Ayatola. Like the only purpose of strikes
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  Speaker 8: like that, could you be just to deeply inconvenience and
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  Speaker 8: harm the civilians going to attend the funeral of the
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  Speaker 8: supreme leader that the US assassinated to start this war.
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  Speaker 8: But let's start talking about the process for replacing Graham
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  Speaker 8: Platner on the main Senate ballot line. Is this has
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  Speaker 8: this was the contentious decision that had Grand Platner, you know,
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  Speaker 8: withholding his resignation. He still hasn't filed his paperwork. He
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  Speaker 8: said he's going to do it on Monday. His argument was,
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  Speaker 8: we won more We won more votes than any other
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  Speaker 8: campaign in the history of Maine, and we did so
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  Speaker 8: on the back of a populist, anti genocide, anti war message,
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  Speaker 8: and we want to make sure that whoever replaces us
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  Speaker 8: is also has a similar agenda. Otherwise it is a
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  Speaker 8: coup against the kind of the people of Maine. And
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  Speaker 8: the main Democratic Party pushed back, saying that they don't
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  Speaker 8: want Platner's campaign to have anything to do with it.
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  Speaker 8: So they've now structured and they're in the process of
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  Speaker 8: putting together a plan that will have kind of six
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  Speaker 8: hundred delegates and we're going to choose the next nominee.
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  Speaker 8: Nathan Bernard, whose drop sites reporter in Maine, is going
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  Speaker 8: to has some news on that is going to break
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  Speaker 8: that down. But first you want to play the latest
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  Speaker 8: from Devin Murphy Anderson, the Maine of.
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  Speaker 1: Course executive director.
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  Speaker 8: This is the Democratic Party executive director in Maine who
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  Speaker 8: last night gave an update on the process.
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  Speaker 9: As you all know, we have been absolutely committed to transparency.
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  Speaker 9: So even though it is incredibly late at night, I
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  Speaker 9: am coming to you live on the ground from the
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  Speaker 9: main DUMS headquarters.
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  Speaker 6: We are so.
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  Speaker 9: Excited to announce that our process for US Senate candidate
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  Speaker 9: is now live. Candidates now have the ability to submit
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  Speaker 9: their declaration of intent and begin engaging Maine Democrats in
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  Speaker 9: earnest by earning their support and collecting signatures. We are
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  Speaker 9: fully committed to transparency, so we are making those candidate
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  Speaker 9: rules available to everyone and you can read them at
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  Speaker 9: maindums dot org. We are continuing to race towards the
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  Speaker 9: release of our fair and inclusive process to select a
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  Speaker 9: new US Senate nominee, and we are not leaving this
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  Speaker 9: office until that process is in the hands of you
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  Speaker 9: the people. In the meantime, you can expect more updates
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  Speaker 9: like this from the ground to mainners. Thank you for
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  Speaker 9: being in this effort with us.
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  Speaker 5: All right, Ryan, have you gone to Maine Dems dot org.
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  Speaker 8: I have, I have not yet. I bet Nathan has.
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  Speaker 8: Do you want to bring in? Don't want to bring
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  Speaker 8: in Nathan?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, let's talk to good old Nathan because things are
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  Speaker 4: moving fast.
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  Speaker 1: Nathan. Welcome to the show. How are you good? Good?
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  Speaker 1: All right?
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  Speaker 10: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Oh sorry, go ahead.
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  Speaker 8: No, I was just saying Nathan is breaking a lot
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  Speaker 8: of news on this process along the way, including which
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  Speaker 8: which candidates are running, who has the support of kind
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  Speaker 8: of which which faction within the state, including you know,
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  Speaker 8: Platner's erstwhile volunteers.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, Nathan, how are you doing this morning?
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining good.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, people are still hitting me up this morning pretty
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  Speaker 11: much constantly. And to be clear, Devin Devin Murphy Anderson
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  Speaker 11: I think is her name. That is about like the
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  Speaker 11: candidates that are running, not the delegates.
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  Speaker 1: Right right, those are right?
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  Speaker 8: So that so the process is finalized for how candidates
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  Speaker 8: can get in, but they have not yet cemented the
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  Speaker 8: process for how how the delegates are going to be chosen. Now,
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  Speaker 8: you reported that one county chair hosted inside information about
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  Speaker 8: how this process was looking to unfold.
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  Speaker 1: Griffin.
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  Speaker 8: If you have Nathan's tweet, you can put that up
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  Speaker 8: and Nathan kind of it seems like this person got
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  Speaker 8: ahead of their.
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  Speaker 1: Skis Yeah, that guy that jumped the gun vote.
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  Speaker 5: Bruce Bryant, Yeah, great name.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Bruce Bryant. Bruce Bryant.
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  Speaker 11: I guess he was in this meeting last night with
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  Speaker 11: all the different county chairs from across the state where
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  Speaker 11: they're still trying definitely to decide how the delegates will
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  Speaker 11: be elected. Bruce went on to his personal face book
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  Speaker 11: page and posted a press release kind of leaking their
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  Speaker 11: thoughts on the process.
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  Speaker 1: So in yeah, Oxford County, Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll read it for the audience in case you're
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  Speaker 4: listening on audio. It says press release, Oxford County, Maine.
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  Speaker 4: Bruce Bryant, chair of the Oxford County Democrats, is convening
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  Speaker 4: a county caucus for the purpose of electing delegates to
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  Speaker 4: the Nominating Convention for the United States Senate on July nineteenth,
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  Speaker 4: from one pm to four pm at Oxford Hills. Comprehensive
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  Speaker 4: High School. Registration will begin at one pm. All County
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  Speaker 4: Democrats are encouraged to intend. And that's a Sunday, right.
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  Speaker 1: That's a Sunday.
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  Speaker 11: And the Cumberland County Democrats, which is by far the
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  Speaker 11: biggest county that'll have the most delegates, they do not
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  Speaker 11: have a process yet. The vast majority of these places
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  Speaker 11: do not have a process decided. So Bruce is saying
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  Speaker 11: that there's going to be caucuses. I guess on the
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  Speaker 11: top level, we're going to choose six hundred delegates across
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  Speaker 11: the state, hundred of which are just the state committee
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  Speaker 11: members themselves, which are essentially super delegates.
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  Speaker 1: They're the ones that are designed.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah pause on that, Nathan, Because there's been a lot
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  Speaker 8: of grassroots effort since twenty seventeen or so among kind
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  Speaker 8: of normal Democrats who aren't party hacks to kind of
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  Speaker 8: enter into Democratic party politics. Has that happened in Maine
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  Speaker 8: Because some people might hear like one hundred party people
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  Speaker 8: and think, oh, these are just party establishment hacks, and
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  Speaker 8: maybe that's true, but it's also possible that genuine party
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  Speaker 8: activists have kind of entered the ranks, Like who who
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  Speaker 8: are these hundred people?
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  Speaker 5: How super are these delegates?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? They're pretty super to me.
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  Speaker 11: Okay, yeah, yeah, these are largely party stooges, hacks that
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  Speaker 11: are highly involved in the establishment apparatus.
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  Speaker 8: The revolution is unfinished in Maine.
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  Speaker 11: Revolution is unfinished. Delegates very super, I would say for
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  Speaker 11: those hundred.
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  Speaker 8: Okay, so you got those hundred and then the other
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  Speaker 8: five hundred go ahead.
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  Speaker 7: Well, I was just going to say, structurally, which candidates
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  Speaker 7: does that process benefit?
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  Speaker 11: I mean, I think we have to see how the
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  Speaker 11: kind of there's five hundred county level delegates that are
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  Speaker 11: going to be decided, and we withdrop site, we obtained
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  Speaker 11: kind of the proportional breakdown of how that's going to look.
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  Speaker 11: I guess the main Democratic Party looked at twenty twenty
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  Speaker 11: four votes during the election and kind of spread them
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  Speaker 11: out proportionally for the delegates for this, So it means
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  Speaker 11: that like Cumberland County where Portland is, for instance, will
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  Speaker 11: have almost a third of the delegates in this process.
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  Speaker 11: Troy Jackson won Portland's huge, so maybe it helps him.
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  Speaker 11: I've heard two different kind of stories though, of how
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  Speaker 11: those delegates.
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  Speaker 1: Will be chosen.
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  Speaker 11: One is the Bruce Ryan kind of line of thinking
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  Speaker 11: is that there's going to be caucuses.
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  Speaker 1: It's going to be more democratic.
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  Speaker 11: There's going to be opportunities then for Platner volunteers, let's say,
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  Speaker 11: or really every single coalition is organizing to go to
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  Speaker 11: these county committee meetings, so everyone's going to be vying
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  Speaker 11: for it, and if there's a caucus, it becomes a
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  Speaker 11: little bit more democratic. The other way that people are
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  Speaker 11: looking at this is that you're going to have to
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  Speaker 11: file paperwork. You're going to have to be able to
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  Speaker 11: obtain two hundred and fifty signatures in a small period
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  Speaker 11: of time. You're going to be have to able to
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  Speaker 11: navigate that process to even become a nominee to become
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  Speaker 11: a delegate to then vote on who the next candidate
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  Speaker 11: is going to be. So either way, it's going to
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  Speaker 11: lean towards favoring people that know how to navigate these processes.
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  Speaker 8: Walk us through the candidates a little bit. So Troy
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  Speaker 8: Jackson is this working glass logger, whereas the Northern Maine
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  Speaker 8: it's an aligash who entered politics in the nineties as
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  Speaker 8: a actually as a Republican candidate who was protesting the
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  Speaker 8: way and Emily will like this that you know, American
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  Speaker 8: workers main workers were in competition with kind of illegal
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  Speaker 8: immigrant Canadian workers sort of to like put a gloss
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  Speaker 8: on it, and they did a bunch of direct action
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  Speaker 8: and then he challenged and they ended up running for
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  Speaker 8: the state legislature as a Republican. Lost two years later,
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  Speaker 8: ran as an independent and won and beat this guy
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  Speaker 8: who'd been in there for decades or whatever. This seat
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  Speaker 8: had been Democratic for absolutely forever. And then eventually he
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  Speaker 8: switches and becomes a Democrat and eventually rises to you know,
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  Speaker 8: state Senate. So he had he has the support of
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  Speaker 8: Bernie Sanders yesterday he oh and Griffin, you have this
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  Speaker 8: yesterday he so, and I guess I'll have to take
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  Speaker 8: it back on the ship. On the program yesterday we
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  Speaker 8: read his announcement statement. He said he's going to push
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  Speaker 8: for medicare for all, fight corporate power, and I noted
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  Speaker 8: that one of the things conspicuously absent was one thing
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  Speaker 8: that was conspicuously present in Grand Platner's agenda, which was
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  Speaker 8: ending the genocide and stopping the forever wars. He hadn't
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  Speaker 8: mentioned that, but yesterday Troy Jackson, in response to the
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  Speaker 8: oh this was in response to the killing of the
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  Speaker 8: man who organized putting up TV screens so people in
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  Speaker 8: Gaza could watch the World Cup. Israel killed him, which
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  Speaker 8: we covered on the show. Troy Jackson comes out and says,
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  Speaker 8: this is unconscionable. Anybody with eyes and a heart knows
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  Speaker 8: the Israeli government is committing genocide in Gaza. It has
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  Speaker 8: to end, and we as Americans have the power to
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  Speaker 8: end it. When I'm in the US Senate, I'll never
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  Speaker 8: vote in favor of US taxpayer funded military aid to Israel. So, Nathan,
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  Speaker 8: he ran for governor, and running for governor, you don't
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  Speaker 8: really ask a whole lot about foreign policy. But what
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  Speaker 8: do we know about where he is on the question
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  Speaker 8: of Israel's genociding in Gaza and in general kind of
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  Speaker 8: the anti war agenda, since this is something that did
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  Speaker 8: motivate a lot of people to get excited about Platiner.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean, certainly he's anti Israel. He wouldn't hesitate
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  Speaker 11: to call what's happened in Gaza a genocide. I know
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  Speaker 11: during his gubernatorial campaign there was the three fourteen pack,
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  Speaker 11: which I think Dropside has done some reporting on.
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  Speaker 8: It hasn't times been used as an APEC vehicle. At
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  Speaker 8: other times it's just backing scientists and public health officials.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, and that vehicle was used as a means to
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  Speaker 11: attack him and back Narav Shaw, who's another candidate now
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  Speaker 11: running for Senate. So certainly against the forever wars I would,
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  Speaker 11: there's no question about that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Rov Shaw also had video released yesterday from months ago
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  Speaker 4: of him calling out the genocide in Gaza as well.
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  Speaker 4: So it doesn't seem like Troy is the only one
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  Speaker 4: occupying this lane for well, tell me more about this
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  Speaker 4: sort of.
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  Speaker 1: Three fourteen that's going to be tougher for him. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: go ahead, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, tell me more about this other this other gentleman
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  Speaker 4: that you mentioned and his chances compared to Troy.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, so narov Shaw, he won the first round of
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  Speaker 11: rank choice voting here for the Democratic primary for governor,
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  Speaker 11: so he got the most votes, right. He ended up
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  Speaker 11: losing that race because of rank choice voting. There was
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  Speaker 11: a coalition that formed really through Platner of Troy Jackson,
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  Speaker 11: Chelley Adam, Hannah Pingree, and Shanna Bellows, and that coalition
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  Speaker 11: ended up being very successful in our rank choice race.
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  Speaker 11: Narov Shaw ran our CDC during the COVID pandemic. He
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  Speaker 11: became something of a mini celeb here. He would do
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  Speaker 11: these kind of zoom meetings where all the kind of
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  Speaker 11: fifty plus moms would tune in every single day. They
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  Speaker 11: absolutely loved him. My mom loves him honestly, you know.
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  Speaker 11: So it became a thing. Yeah, she before he was
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  Speaker 11: even running. My mom, who very like middle of the
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  Speaker 11: road liberal, she would tell me every time she saw
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  Speaker 11: me that she wished Narovshaw would run for something because
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  Speaker 11: she'd know she'd vote for him in a second right,
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  Speaker 11: kind of like Cuomo. Remember how he would do those
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  Speaker 11: basic video did the same thing. Yeah, Yeah, it was
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  Speaker 11: a version of that for Maine and so it's a
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  Speaker 11: very small state. He gained a mega celebrity through that
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  Speaker 11: process and did do a genuinely good job of communicating
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  Speaker 11: tough public health information in a very understandable manner for
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  Speaker 11: people when people were really worried and scared. So his
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  Speaker 11: policy platform, I would just hesitate a bit on There
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  Speaker 11: is such.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how to put it.
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  Speaker 11: There's such angst of people and such worry that whoever
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  Speaker 11: this next candidate is is not going to uphold what
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  Speaker 11: so many people just voted for in this Senate race.
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  Speaker 11: Anti establishment, ending the wars, Medicare for all, workers' rights,
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  Speaker 11: housing rights, childcare shouldn't be a second mortgage you're paying
• 15:45
  Speaker 11: and completely bankrupt you. And every candidate, it feels like,
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  Speaker 11: is coming out of the woodwork and just saying, well,
• 15:51
  Speaker 11: now I want medicare for all. Now I want to
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  Speaker 11: end the genocide in Gaza. So that I would caution
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  Speaker 11: Shaw stuff because of that, and especially the three fourteen pack.
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  Speaker 11: It's just there's more to look into there, and everyone
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  Speaker 11: is trying to jump on this train so that they
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  Speaker 11: can say, well, look at me, I'm just I hold
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  Speaker 11: the same platform as Platner without all the baggage.
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  Speaker 8: On the public health front. There's a complicating factor here.
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  Speaker 8: So Tammy Duckworth just came out with a unindorsement non
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  Speaker 8: endorsement of Shah. So Nirov Shaw was Republican Illinois Republican Governor,
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  Speaker 8: Bruce Raners public health director, and Tammy Duckworth posted, Maine
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  Speaker 8: deserves better than someone who put his who put his
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  Speaker 8: public health image before the safety of our veterans.
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  Speaker 1: Too.
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  Speaker 8: Many of our heroes lost their lives under Neurov Shah's
• 16:47
  Speaker 8: watch as Illinois Public Health Director. I called for his
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  Speaker 8: resignation then, and I strongly oppose his run for Senate. Now.
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  Speaker 8: I wonder how devastating that is to to Shaw, if
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  Speaker 8: is there enough time to get that out to voters, Like,
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  Speaker 8: what's your sense of whether that would undercut to have
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  Speaker 8: a popular Democratic senator from another state saying do not
• 17:11
  Speaker 8: send this guy to the Senate.
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: A little inside baseball here, this is mini scoop for you.
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  Speaker 11: So during the gubernatorial primary, pingree Bellows Jackson the whole cohort,
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  Speaker 11: there was a lot of talk behind the scenes of
• 17:30
  Speaker 11: saying that there's absolutely no way Shaw could be top
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  Speaker 11: of the ticket for us in this race because exactly
• 17:37
  Speaker 11: a the Legionaire disease outbreak that he helped oversee.
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  Speaker 1: They wanted to run ads on it.
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  Speaker 11: They were really pushing to get this information out there,
• 17:46
  Speaker 11: which is important information, right, especially because he's supposedly this
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  Speaker 11: public health guru that led us through the pandemic perfectly.
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  Speaker 11: There Also, this is an other little inside information. There
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  Speaker 11: have been multiple accounts, and this was going to be
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  Speaker 11: part of the attack ads they wanted to put out
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  Speaker 11: of nurses that said he internally did a poor job
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  Speaker 11: of leading the state through COVID, their voices weren't heard.
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  Speaker 11: He suppressed potential care to marginalized communities, and furthermore, he
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  Speaker 11: didn't really do anything. Everyone saw him as his great
• 18:27
  Speaker 11: innovator because they loved watching him on his Jewish feel
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  Speaker 11: every morning and drinking their coffee in shaw we Trust
• 18:35
  Speaker 11: mugs were all over the state, right like pumper stickers. Yea, yeah,
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  Speaker 11: so it was you know that that kind of was
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  Speaker 11: his only innovation. People said, really, he was just taking
• 18:49
  Speaker 11: practices from other states to follow through on this.
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  Speaker 1: So I think if he were the nominee, I know
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  Speaker 1: right now.
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  Speaker 11: That the volunteers for Platinir, which are thousands of people,
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  Speaker 11: and really the people backing Troy Jackson or even a
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  Speaker 11: Shanna Bellows, they're not They would not organize for this
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  Speaker 11: guy or work for this campaign.
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  Speaker 1: So there's real risks.
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  Speaker 8: And I guess, well, Susan Collins could put up an
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  Speaker 8: ad saying, you know, Tammy Duckworth says this guy shouldn't
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  Speaker 8: be in the Senate, Like that's pretty bad if.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there's real risks, and I just want to
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  Speaker 1: make clear.
• 19:32
  Speaker 11: I guess back to the overarching I can talk to
• 19:35
  Speaker 11: a couple more of the candidates, but overarching, there's six
• 19:40
  Speaker 11: hundred delegates that are now the voice for two hundred
• 19:44
  Speaker 11: thousand voters.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: Just no one wants that. No one thinks that's good.
• 19:49
  Speaker 11: Right, Even if we have these caucuses that decide five
• 19:52
  Speaker 11: hundred delegates, we still have one hundred super delegates that
• 19:56
  Speaker 11: are deciding this. There is still just this under current
• 20:00
  Speaker 11: feeling from all the conversations I'm having even the most
• 20:04
  Speaker 11: optimistic silver lining hopium, you know, pilled people that want
• 20:09
  Speaker 11: to get out there and organize and take over the
• 20:12
  Speaker 11: county committees, that this is extraordinarily undemocratic.
• 20:16
  Speaker 8: I would I would anecdote anecdotally, like what are you
• 20:19
  Speaker 8: hearing from people about the charges against Platner, like the
• 20:25
  Speaker 8: the the successful effort to get him out by so
• 20:28
  Speaker 8: many in the national and local scene, Like what how
• 20:32
  Speaker 8: are people are people like good? He's he's a terrible
• 20:34
  Speaker 8: human being. I'm glad he's gone. Or is there some
• 20:37
  Speaker 8: more complicated mix of reactions from just just the people
• 20:40
  Speaker 8: that you've kind of interacted with and.
• 20:43
  Speaker 6: Nathan, can I tack onto that?
• 20:44
  Speaker 7: Because it does seem like at first there was total
• 20:47
  Speaker 7: unity Plartner, this is this is the last straw. Then
• 20:50
  Speaker 7: its early as days went on, there was a more
• 20:53
  Speaker 7: mixed opinion. So is that what it's is that also
• 20:57
  Speaker 7: reflected on the ground or is that just kind of
• 20:59
  Speaker 7: the artificial X bubble?
• 21:03
  Speaker 11: No, No, that is of I have I'll say this
• 21:06
  Speaker 11: anecdotally because I've had so many conversations at this point.
• 21:11
  Speaker 11: I don't think there's any question that of the validity
• 21:15
  Speaker 11: of the story, the validity of the allegations. I think
• 21:18
  Speaker 11: that people though are they can't help but look at
• 21:24
  Speaker 11: the timing and feel cheated. They can't help look at
• 21:27
  Speaker 11: it and feel that establishment or the timing of it
• 21:32
  Speaker 11: had something to do with it. I think that that,
• 21:35
  Speaker 11: for better or worse, that is something that people are feeling.
• 21:38
  Speaker 11: I've just heard it too many times at this point.
• 21:40
  Speaker 11: And there's different reasons that that unity that you talk
• 21:43
  Speaker 11: about is fractured. I think some of it just he's
• 21:47
  Speaker 11: a terrible human being. He needs to get out right now. Right.
• 21:50
  Speaker 11: There's other people though that I think if you're just
• 21:54
  Speaker 11: talking Internet, it depends which platform you go on, for instance,
• 21:57
  Speaker 11: that look at it in different ways. X has overwhelmingly
• 22:01
  Speaker 11: won opinion. Facebook might have another opinion, Substack might have
• 22:04
  Speaker 11: another opinion. The people in Maine have a completely different opinion. Right,
• 22:09
  Speaker 11: And the other side of that fracture is that because
• 22:14
  Speaker 11: of these allegations, the severity of it electorally, it's going
• 22:20
  Speaker 11: to be horrible for him and it diminishes his chances
• 22:23
  Speaker 11: of winning a race that is so crucial.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: So there's that too.
• 22:30
  Speaker 11: It's mixed, right, it's this isn't people are hurt, right,
• 22:34
  Speaker 11: this is this is people have put a year of
• 22:36
  Speaker 11: time into this, not just the volunteers and staff, the
• 22:40
  Speaker 11: people that voted for him. It the mood is not good, folks,
• 22:46
  Speaker 11: just you know, period.
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: So people are feeling like there's an establishment coup. People
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: are feeling like there's some sort of establishment coup that's
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: trying to get in here.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: You know, I've seen.
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: A lot of established people say, oh, they didn't really care.
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: I mean, Platner's policies are one thing, but they really
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: just like Platiner the guy, is what I'm hearing from
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: more national sort of centrist dem liberals, whereas we've been
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: hearing from a lot of people on the ground that
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: it was really more about his policies. Do people feel
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: that Troy Jackson will be a spiritual successor that that
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: really embodies the things that got everyone excited about Platiner.
• 23:29
  Speaker 11: Yeah, I think it's foolish for people to the establishment
• 23:35
  Speaker 11: piece to look at this and assume that one hundred
• 23:37
  Speaker 11: and fifty eight thousand, one hundred and fifty thousand plus
• 23:40
  Speaker 11: people who just voted for Platner that none of those
• 23:43
  Speaker 11: people are going to be skeptical about this. Main is
• 23:46
  Speaker 11: the oldest state in the country. Right, They're not all
• 23:50
  Speaker 11: on X they're not all on Facebook. A lot more
• 23:53
  Speaker 11: of them are on Facebook, right.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: Just gonna say they're probably on Facebook.
• 23:57
  Speaker 11: Yeah, Like this book is the hub up here for
• 24:02
  Speaker 11: people chatting. So yeah, it's it would be foolish to
• 24:07
  Speaker 11: totally disregard that I think in his message, his message
• 24:13
  Speaker 11: leaving it was all focused on the establishment. I think
• 24:16
  Speaker 11: it would be it would be foolish for people not
• 24:19
  Speaker 11: to take that message seriously. Another little bit of information
• 24:23
  Speaker 11: his wife just did an aunt. His aunt just did
• 24:26
  Speaker 11: a post on Facebook that got widely shared and liked.
• 24:31
  Speaker 11: Maybe I'll post it at some point on Twitter. But
• 24:35
  Speaker 11: she basically said, Hey, I hope Graham and Amy don't
• 24:39
  Speaker 11: leave doing the grassworks, grass roots work that they're doing,
• 24:43
  Speaker 11: that they can get back to that. But also, hey,
• 24:46
  Speaker 11: if you think the establishment had a part in this,
• 24:48
  Speaker 11: but with your conscience, right.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: So that's his aunt saying that on Facebook.
• 24:54
  Speaker 11: So again I think there is a part of that
• 24:58
  Speaker 11: feeling that we just got screwed. Now this process is
• 25:03
  Speaker 11: a Kamala two point zero where we're just inserting it.
• 25:05
  Speaker 11: The establishment inserts a candidate, and it goes against everything
• 25:10
  Speaker 11: that this movement was built on, which is an anti
• 25:13
  Speaker 11: establishment movement at its core. I think Troy Jackson can
• 25:19
  Speaker 11: fit that anti establishment molds and the policy platform the
• 25:24
  Speaker 11: most closely. But again I think to discount, there's the
• 25:29
  Speaker 11: platform piece, and then there genuinely is Platner as a
• 25:32
  Speaker 11: person and what he was doing across the state as
• 25:36
  Speaker 11: just a forty one year old guy that was outside
• 25:38
  Speaker 11: the system, that represented someone who could be in this
• 25:42
  Speaker 11: office and gain seniority for years to come. I think
• 25:46
  Speaker 11: it would be foolish just to say that played no
• 25:48
  Speaker 11: part in it, right, that's not Troy Jackson.
• 25:52
  Speaker 7: They cannot, I mean truly, Nathan, You'll know, this depressing
• 25:56
  Speaker 7: turnout is going to be a disaster. You know, if
• 26:00
  Speaker 7: you have depressed grassroots activists who just are disillusioned by
• 26:08
  Speaker 7: the party and not excited, not even just the grass
• 26:11
  Speaker 7: act of activists, but Democrats center left type people in
• 26:15
  Speaker 7: November who just say, I'm not showing up for this,
• 26:18
  Speaker 7: so I'm not excited about this person. That was the
• 26:20
  Speaker 7: edge that Plattner had until recently in a close race.
• 26:25
  Speaker 6: That really is a disaster for Democrats.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's not good.
• 26:32
  Speaker 11: And I think that there are certainly there's all sorts
• 26:36
  Speaker 11: of talks, and I think I'll post some stuff just
• 26:39
  Speaker 11: about how volunteers are approaching who will be and the
• 26:44
  Speaker 11: people that have dedicated the most time to this race
• 26:47
  Speaker 11: are approaching who the next candidate will be. And Ryan
• 26:51
  Speaker 11: and I have texted a bit about this already, but
• 26:56
  Speaker 11: I think.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: The other people.
• 26:57
  Speaker 6: Is it going to be Ryan, It's it's you.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: Know, actually the best Canada.
• 27:02
  Speaker 11: I think miss Rachel is from Benneford Main so she
• 27:07
  Speaker 11: I wish you would run. But I think the other
• 27:10
  Speaker 11: people that are potentially going to step in here across
• 27:15
  Speaker 11: the board, they all just lost their primaries. They all
• 27:19
  Speaker 11: just lost, right, they're all loose. I hate to say it,
• 27:24
  Speaker 11: but soly like yeah, like they literally respect lost due respect,
• 27:30
  Speaker 11: due respect. But and one of them, uh, there's a guy,
• 27:34
  Speaker 11: Dan Kleeban running who runs main beer company here, fantastic beer.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: Horrible candidate. Yeah, and he uh he.
• 27:44
  Speaker 11: Ran for two days, he raised I think two hundred
• 27:46
  Speaker 11: and fifty thousand dollars and then dropped out and gave
• 27:49
  Speaker 11: it to Janet Mills because Chuck Schumer said, hey, Dan,
• 27:52
  Speaker 11: this is our girl.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: Like now you gotta go.
• 27:55
  Speaker 11: And he's coming out and posting all this stuff of
• 27:58
  Speaker 11: it's a genocide.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: I want medicare for all. What are we talking about?
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 28:04
  Speaker 11: So it's all that sort of stuff too, where I'd
• 28:08
  Speaker 11: take it same with the Shaw stuff, take it with
• 28:10
  Speaker 11: a gran of soul. These people all just lost their primary.
• 28:13
  Speaker 11: They're unemployed politicians that want to now jump at the
• 28:18
  Speaker 11: next race to run in was like.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: We were like one more minute.
• 28:21
  Speaker 8: Shanna Bellows deserves a little time here because she, you know,
• 28:23
  Speaker 8: she's kind of popular across the board. She knock on
• 28:26
  Speaker 8: her if there is one, as she ran in twenty
• 28:29
  Speaker 8: fourteen against Susan Collins, so Collins has been there, done that.
• 28:33
  Speaker 8: Now she is much more a grown politician at this point.
• 28:39
  Speaker 8: Now she finished a tight what fourth in the third
• 28:44
  Speaker 8: or fourth in the governor's race, fourth, but everybody was
• 28:49
  Speaker 8: kind of lumped together. She was part of the trinity
• 28:53
  Speaker 8: of Troy Jackson, Pingree and Bellows. Quick thoughts on her.
• 28:57
  Speaker 8: I mean, obviously she's not the anti establishment fire brand,
• 29:00
  Speaker 8: but she's pretty progressive and well liked across the state.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she's good. She's the secretary of State right now.
• 29:08
  Speaker 11: She blocked Ice from getting access to our license plate information.
• 29:14
  Speaker 11: She's blocked Trump from getting our voter roles. She's very
• 29:18
  Speaker 11: pro labor. The labor unions love her. She absolutely would
• 29:22
  Speaker 11: be for medicare for all. I would assume that she
• 29:25
  Speaker 11: would call out the genocide in Gaza and be against
• 29:28
  Speaker 11: forever wars.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: So she's a good option.
• 29:31
  Speaker 11: And if it's not Troy I think depending on how
• 29:36
  Speaker 11: these caucuses go and how this finest final county level
• 29:41
  Speaker 11: delegate election system is decided, someone like her probably has
• 29:45
  Speaker 11: the best chance, right because the party likes her, people
• 29:48
  Speaker 11: generally like her. And then I guess the last guy
• 29:51
  Speaker 11: that's running is Jordan Would. He lost his Senate race.
• 29:55
  Speaker 11: He then went and lost the Congressional District two race,
• 29:59
  Speaker 11: and now he's back in Senate race running it again.
• 30:02
  Speaker 8: His husband is with Mothership Strategies, which is the email
• 30:06
  Speaker 8: firm that pioneered the panic emails in your inbox that
• 30:11
  Speaker 8: like try to look like utility bills and like the
• 30:13
  Speaker 8: sky's falling if you don't give us three dollars. So
• 30:16
  Speaker 8: he raises a lot of money, but he's got a shot.
• 30:18
  Speaker 8: He spends it all then on fundraising. Not he doesn't
• 30:21
  Speaker 8: use his husband's firm to his credit, but he uses.
• 30:23
  Speaker 6: So there's a good drop site.
• 30:24
  Speaker 7: There's a good drop site story on that, right right, Yeah, Yeah,
• 30:28
  Speaker 7: he's raised.
• 30:29
  Speaker 11: He switched races to CD two just because he was
• 30:34
  Speaker 11: losing it a hurry, raised I think two million dollars
• 30:36
  Speaker 11: in the Senate race, and then raised another several million
• 30:39
  Speaker 11: dollars from doing the gun to my head, I'll vote
• 30:42
  Speaker 11: for Democrats email headers.
• 30:45
  Speaker 8: And to raise every one of those dollars you have
• 30:46
  Speaker 8: to spend like ninety five cents, so like it comes
• 30:49
  Speaker 8: out in the FEC like, oh, look, I raised four
• 30:51
  Speaker 8: million dollars. It's like, yeah, but you spent three point
• 30:54
  Speaker 8: eight million on Facebook and on email like raising that,
• 30:58
  Speaker 8: so it's not as it seems.
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: Well, Nathan, Nathan, thank you so much for joining us
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: today and informing us from the trenches of Facebook. Please
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: continue that that reporting there for us, because I'm certainly
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: not on Facebook anymore, and I'm sure there'll be more
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: reporting from you for us to share in the future.
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: Where can people find you if they want to individually
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: keep tracking your updates.
• 31:25
  Speaker 11: I'll keep writing for a drop site on this. You know,
• 31:28
  Speaker 11: Ryan and I are following the race. We've been at
• 31:30
  Speaker 11: this for almost a year now, So drop site you
• 31:32
  Speaker 11: can look for the written pieces and then Twitter, Nathan T.
• 31:35
  Speaker 11: Bernard you can follow me on there as well, and
• 31:38
  Speaker 11: I'll be posting stuff.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: But yeah, glad I could share in Shaw we trust.
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: That's the Shaw of Maine, not Iron. Thank thank you, Nathan.
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: We'll see you later to.
• 31:54
  Speaker 8: Oh that's really return of the shot.
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: And just just when he thought he was out, they
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: pulled him back in his mug.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: They inshah lah with a little music.
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: Note Tata, Well, this leads us nicely to our ran
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: segment here, doctor Treta Parsi from the Quincy Institute, welcome
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: back to Breaking.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: Points Crazy be with you guys.
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: Where do we begin Ryan, what do we want to
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: start with here?
• 32:29
  Speaker 8: Well, Treata, we have the two major piece of news,
• 32:33
  Speaker 8: the bombing of the tracks and the other civilian infrastructure.
• 32:36
  Speaker 8: And then did you see Trump talking about arming protesters
• 32:41
  Speaker 8: it Jeremy seemed to think he was implying he was
• 32:43
  Speaker 8: arming the emy k. I thought he was referring again
• 32:47
  Speaker 8: to the Kords. Did you see this?
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: I needn't see that part, but I could, I could.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: I would not be surprised that they're taking a second look,
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: if not the Kurds, perhaps at some other groups, the
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: Balucci's or others, because as you know, next week NATANIAO
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: is coming. These Raelis have been very much pushing this
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: narrative that all of this could have worked out so
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: well if just the Kurds had been armed, had it
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: not been for that decision, that have been pulled mainly
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: because they alredy Gone objected, but also because the Kurds objected,
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: which is kind of lost in the story. But had
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: that not happened, then everything would have been awesome, and
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: you know, this war would have been won in four days,
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: which is complete nonsense. I think this is an Israeli
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: effort to kind of give war another chance to secondly,
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: to create a narrative that allows.
• 33:39
  Speaker 8: Them Griffin, let me play this. Let me play this
• 33:43
  Speaker 8: Trump clip for Treata. Right here we go.
• 33:45
  Speaker 12: Idially, and that's an edict that's in writing. If they protest,
• 33:50
  Speaker 12: if they go out in the streets, they will be
• 33:52
  Speaker 12: immediately shot. They don't have guns. You know, we said
• 33:56
  Speaker 12: some guns. But the group that were supposed to give
• 33:59
  Speaker 12: which I said, what happened to my people? I said it.
• 34:02
  Speaker 12: I called it exactly. We said guns, lot of guns.
• 34:05
  Speaker 12: They were supposed to go to. The people said they
• 34:07
  Speaker 12: could fight back to get some ducks.
• 34:09
  Speaker 5: You know what happened.
• 34:10
  Speaker 12: The people that they sent them to kept him because
• 34:13
  Speaker 12: they said, what a beautiful gun.
• 34:14
  Speaker 13: I think I'll keep it.
• 34:16
  Speaker 12: So I'm very upset with a certain group of people,
• 34:18
  Speaker 12: and they're going to pay a big.
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: Price for that. Very poetic for it to be the
• 34:23
  Speaker 5: wild wild West underneath that, right.
• 34:27
  Speaker 8: Ridiculous, what a ridiculous timeline we live in. So there
• 34:31
  Speaker 8: were some who saw that clip and assumed that he
• 34:34
  Speaker 8: was talking about the attempt to arm the Kurds, which
• 34:38
  Speaker 8: is which there's been plenty of public reporting on. Others
• 34:40
  Speaker 8: have seen and said, No, looks like he's talking very specifically.
• 34:44
  Speaker 8: He's talking about January, like we were arming the protesters,
• 34:49
  Speaker 8: which would be somebody like the m EK, some anti
• 34:52
  Speaker 8: anti government group, and then they're saying that they kept
• 34:56
  Speaker 8: the guns.
• 34:58
  Speaker 14: Uh.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: Treated your seeing that, your reaction to it.
• 35:01
  Speaker 8: But also like, what what do we draw from the
• 35:05
  Speaker 8: fact that he's still kind of blustering about this their
• 35:09
  Speaker 8: inability to kind of sparkle uprising that is successful there.
• 35:13
  Speaker 15: I do think he's talking about the Kurdish groups, because
• 35:17
  Speaker 15: there was an effort back then to give weapons to
• 35:21
  Speaker 15: Kurdish groups that would then be part of the war effort,
• 35:25
  Speaker 15: as well as Kurtish groups that actually were part.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: Of the violent elements of the protests back in December
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: and January. There's a group called the Pak which actually
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: was trained by the United States back in twenty fourteen
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: to take on isis now it was supposed to be
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: an Iraqi Kurtish group, but it was an Iranian Kurtish group.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: I don't know if the US didn't know that it
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: was an Iranian Kurtish groups, but nevertheless they trained it
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: and it's been a very violent group, and it was
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: using violence throughout the protest, even before the protest. So
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: I suspect that there's some Kurtish groups that he's talking about,
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: and he's mentioned in other intviews that is very upset
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: with occurs now. They didn't do it because at the
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: end of the day, the Turks into them, but also
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: some of the Kurdish leaders of the Kurdish government in
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: northern Iraq were dead set against it because they knew
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: that it would be a disaster and they knew that
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: they would end up paying the price for it because
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: of the round in retaliation. The Israelis are very much
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: pushed this narrative that everything would have been just amazing
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: had this Operation Will the Courage gone through, and I
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: don't believe that for a second. I think it would
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: have been a disaster in many different ways. But it's
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: an Israeli effort to essentially give war another chance to
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: claim this narrative that everything would have worked out well
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: had this just one thing been done correctly, and that
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: way go back and be able to say we still
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: can do war because we actually didn't really fully try
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: regime change.
• 36:50
  Speaker 6: And we were talking about what that might mean, just
• 36:52
  Speaker 6: in terms of going back to the beginning of the war.
• 36:56
  Speaker 7: Natanyahu seemed to convince Trump that that was a great
• 37:00
  Speaker 7: plan and obviously didn't work out the way that Natahu
• 37:05
  Speaker 7: told the President that it would this time around Trea.
• 37:10
  Speaker 7: What could we see happen if that's if that attempt
• 37:14
  Speaker 7: at least is successful.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting. On the Iranian side, there's a
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: lot of folks that are very worried that the whole
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: MoU is just used to be able to for the
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: United States to be able to prepare itself for another
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: around the war, And given how the US under Trump
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: has behavior, is not necessarily surprising that they would think so.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: When you take a look at the fundamentals of the situation,
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: you're still seeing a scenario on which only a third
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: or so of the traffic of the Strait is actually
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: up and running. We're not seeing the strategic reserve of
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: oil actually being filled up in the manner that I
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: think the administration was hoping for. The second and third
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: level consequences of the previous oil shock is still being felt,
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: some of it has not even started yet. So to
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: under these circumstances restock the war without having at a
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: minimum a completely different approach and strategy, to me, does
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: not seem to be something that possibly could work. If
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: there's going to be another world, they're going to have
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: to think it through very differently. And the circumstances are
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: not such that there's been enough recuperation. And I don't
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: have the data on what the levels of interceptors, etc. Are,
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: but it certainly doesn't look as if that in any way,
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: shape or form has managed to be restocked in order
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: to have another war. What I think may be happening,
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: or ends up happening, is that if the war is
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: kept at this level in which it is below the
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: threshold for the Yvannians to close the strait of hormones,
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: then the US may find a degree of benefit in
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: the war because it is degrading the Vannians without paying
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: the price that the US and the world economy was
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: paying when the war actually was fully in in shape,
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: Because that's when the strait was closed, economies around the
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: world were suffering tremendously. The Iranians are aware of this
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: as well, but they're also looking at a different scenario,
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: which is that even if the strait is not closed,
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: this warfare is reducing the traffic already, and the reduction
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: of that traffic, combined with the very low inventory of oil,
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: including in the strategic reserve of the United States, which
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: is by the way it is not supposed to be
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: used in the matter that it is used, is enough
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: for the US to simply not have enough time to
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: be able to conduct any of these military campaigns in
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: a way that would strengthen its negotiating position. If this is,
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: at the end of the day, some sort of a
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: negotiating strategy, if I can take it just a step
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: back and say, this whole thing is just so idiotic,
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: because there was I mean, look, this whole thing was
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: about the fact that the MoU Article five has different interpretations.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: I personally don't find the Vanian reading of MoU Article
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: five to be convincing. But their view is that it
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: essentially gives them control over the strait during this period
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: until it is completely reopen and the final agreement has
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: been signed. The GCC and the American interpretation is different
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: in the sense that the cest Varneys are responsible for
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: making sure that this is safe passage, but it doesn't
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: mean that they're the only ones that are in charge.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: And has a result, the us AND is using the
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: Southern Corridor in the state, which is in the Omani
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: Waters to pass ship throughs now. The Iranians are saying,
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: that's fine, they can go through there as long as
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: they notify the Ranyans. The Vineys want to make sure
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: that all ships that are transiting the strait are notifying them,
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: because according to the articles, they are. Even though it
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: doesn't use the word responsible, there's the responsible for exactly.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: So as long as those ships actually do indicate to
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: the Iranians that they're transitting, the Ranius are saying they're
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: not having a problem. The US position and GCC we're like, well,
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: hold on, that kind of gives you complete control. It's
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: better to have a scenario in which if there is
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: any type of notification and notification should go both ways.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: So there should be some entity on the GCC side
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: that also gets the notifications and someone on the vine side,
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: and the two sides were converging towards this agreement, but
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: then diplomacy was paused because of the funeral of the
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: Supreme Leader, and during the funeral, Saudi and Katari and
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: I think one other ship was trying to transit through
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: the southern part having its transponders off, which is not
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: permitted apparently, and this caused this big conflict now because
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: Levanni saw that as a confrontation, as a provocation, something
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: that was being used by Levanni, and attention was on
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: the funeral and then eventually shot at these ships. And
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: this is what because Trump to really get infuriated, and
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: now this whole thing started. And it really doesn't matter
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: because at the end of the day, this is just
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: for about another ten days out of the thirty days
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: in which this was supposed to be more or less resolved.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: It's not entirely the MoU. It was just like ten
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: days left and now we're seeing the entire Mu and
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: everything coming crashing down. Frankly, because both sides are overreacting.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: I think the Iranians were overreacting in terms of using
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: force against these ships, even though they didn't sink any
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: of them. And I think the US is completely overreacting
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: by restarting the war over.
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: Decision somebody else crossed our desks that I would love
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: you to react to. This is from CNN, which says
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: that Israel shared intelligence with the US that Iran had
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: devised a new plan to assassinate President Donald Trump. Two
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: sources familiar with the matter told CNN, and how are
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: we supposed to consume this news? You know it's been
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: used in the past assassination attempts on Trump as one
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: of the reasons that we have to go to.
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: War with Iran.
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: What do you know about this alleged new assassination attempt?
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: Obviously I have no idea what they're talking about. But
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: let me put it this way. Someone should do a
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: graph of looking at the moments in which these Raelis
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: are releasing this type of intelligence and how it coincides
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: with massive Israeli campaigns to get the war restarted. I
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: think these Raelis are very astute at playing Trump's psychology.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: They see that he is right now in a very
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: bad space. In general, he seems to have been very
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: upset having to spend the last week with a bunch
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: of EU leaders in NATO that he hates, and on
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: top of that the ivanis are shooting at ships and
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: Ukraine Russia is not going well, so he just seems
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: to be in a terrible, terrible position.
• 43:52
  Speaker 7: And during funeral, probably the funeral clips they were all
• 43:56
  Speaker 7: My assumption is that those were all over Fox News
• 43:59
  Speaker 7: where they were saying assassinate Trump, death to America.
• 44:02
  Speaker 6: That sort of thing, So it probably realizes.
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: Right, certainly, Yeah, But also I think the size of
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: those crowds may have made Trump a little bit jealous.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: It may not have played very well with him either.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: But you're right, there were slogans et cetera during the
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: funerals calling for revenge against Trump. Undoubtedly, what was important
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: to notice is that it was never any senior or
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: even mid level official of the government that was issuing
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: any of those different threats, and that difference is of
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: course important. But personally, you know, we've seen it before
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: that they have tried to say that there is these
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: assassination attempts, and perhaps there are. When Trump wanted to
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: go towards diplomacy, he completely ignored it. When he wanted
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: to go towards the military confrontation, then he apparently was
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: impacted by it. Are there any attempts I have no idea,
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: but I think if there were, I would suspect that
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: the US intelligence would know more about it than the Israeli.
• 45:00
  Speaker 5: Do you got someone Ryan right?
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I wanted to ask you about these strikes themselves.
• 45:09
  Speaker 8: It appears like the US is attacking a lot of
• 45:11
  Speaker 8: civilians infrastructure in Iran, particularly bridges and train tracks, leading
• 45:16
  Speaker 8: to the latest sight of the Iatola's funeral. What do
• 45:19
  Speaker 8: we know about and what do we know about what
• 45:21
  Speaker 8: damage Iran has done to you know, Bahrain, Kuwait and
• 45:26
  Speaker 8: facilities there. And then there were also these reports that
• 45:30
  Speaker 8: somebody was attacking Iran back from Bahrain and Kuwait and
• 45:33
  Speaker 8: it may actually have been Bahrain and Kuwait themselves. What like,
• 45:36
  Speaker 8: what do we know about the specifics of the fighting?
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: Sure, so, first of all, that remind us of those
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: attacking those railways, bridges, et cetera. These are war crimes, right,
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: not that that's something new, but unfortunately it's continuing. Those
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: specific railways were repatched and fixed within twenty four hours,
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: so the damage was not long lasting. That's different if
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: they if the US, if the Trump administration target bridges,
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: et cetera, that's going to be much more difficult to rebuild.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: But the reason why those were very important was because
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: they had really gained significance during the period in which
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: the US was blockading the Persian Gulf. It turned out
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: that the Ivani has started to shift a significant amount
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: of trade and export of all through the railroad system
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: that had been built that was not fully operation or
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: had not been used to its full capacity started to
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: be used to its full capacity. So I think the
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: Yvanias probably are viewing this as a signal from the
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: Trump administration that if war goes back on, not only
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: will the US close the Persian golf again with his
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: blockade of the blockade, but it will take out Yvon's
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: alternative paths to export oil or to import different things.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: So I think it was more of a warning or
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: taking mindful of the fact that VANUS could rebuild it
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: in twenty four hours. Clearly it was not aimed at
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: doing long lasting. When it comes to the idea that
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: the Baherraneans and the Kuwaitis are striking at Yvanias, these
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: this information came from Israeli media doesn't mean that it's false,
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: but I personally doubt very much that the Kuwaitis and
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: the Baherranneans would do that on their own, because I
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: would really invite a completely different type of an attack.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: But the Iranians are done so far is they're going
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: after the US basis, and their argument is that if
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: there weren't US soldiers there and there weren't any US spaces,
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: that they wouldn't be attacking them. If Bahraine and Kuwait
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: themselves are attacking, it's a completely different story. Then. The
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: set of legitimate targets from the Yvonian perspectivell of course,
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: grows significantly, including military targets that are owned by the
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: Kuwaitis and the Bayherranny. So I'm skeptical at this point.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: We have to wait to see. But this is part
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: of the imbalance that exists. Whenever something happens in Yvana,
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: we get images out of it because Yvanians are not
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: censoring people using their films to film the damage, whereas
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: that is taking place throughout the entire GCC states at
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: this point, certainly in Dubai and of course in Israel,
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: and which will hardly have any images coming out of
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: what is happening there, particularly during the exchange of fire
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: between Ivan and Israel. Just a couple of weeks ago,
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: and I really, you know, I think folks should go
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: back and just do searches on videos from October and
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: April twenty four to June twenty twenty five. The amount
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: of images that came out of Israel of ordinary people
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: just filming it to the essentially zero videos coming out
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: right now. That is because of military censorship. That is
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: not because damages are not done. That's not because the
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: missiles are not hitting. It's because there is a near
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: total censorship that does not allow us to see what
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: actually is happening.
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: Well, you mentioned earlier the crowds for the funeral blanketing
• 48:54
  Speaker 4: Fox News. Now Fox News has also recently Brian killed
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: Mega was on a Fox News segment saying he's not
• 49:02
  Speaker 4: really sure if wik Koff and Kushner are the men
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: for the job.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: Let's take a listen for your reaction.
• 49:07
  Speaker 16: Also, don't think that wik Koff and Kushner should be
• 49:10
  Speaker 16: the ones doing this. They're business guys. They have not
• 49:13
  Speaker 16: been effective in Ukraine, not been effective in Gaza.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: They have not been effective in this.
• 49:17
  Speaker 16: They can have three portfolios to begin with. We have
• 49:20
  Speaker 16: a state department for a reason.
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: Marco Rubio.
• 49:22
  Speaker 16: Even Democrats admit has been looked at as a genius internationally.
• 49:26
  Speaker 16: He's he is the guy most people would want, even
• 49:29
  Speaker 16: if you were if you gave truth seri to Democrats.
• 49:31
  Speaker 16: He should pick the lead on this because you can
• 49:34
  Speaker 16: this like a business deal. You have to understand the
• 49:37
  Speaker 16: history of the region and how distrustful the Iranians have been.
• 49:40
  Speaker 16: They will only make a decision if they have no
• 49:42
  Speaker 16: other choice.
• 49:45
  Speaker 7: Of those well, I like that of all Brian Kimmy's reasons,
• 49:49
  Speaker 7: the fact that they're massively corrupt and like financially tethered
• 49:54
  Speaker 7: to the people they're negotiating with then come up.
• 49:56
  Speaker 6: But yes, your reaction our business guys.
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: I think the This is actually a very important clip
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: because the fact that he is very explicitly saying that
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: you know, this file should go to Rubio and the
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: State Department tells you something about what's going on here,
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: because you do have a split in the administration in
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: which you have a camp that is favoring the negotiations
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: and the one that is much more skeptical of it.
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: And he's essentially saying, take the negotiations out of the
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: hands of those people who believe in negotiations and put
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: it in the hands of those who never have believed
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: in negotiations with any of these people, with any of
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: these different countries, and that tells you something about, you know,
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: what they're really looking for, But it also makes me wonder.
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, the Wall Street Journal is reporting that it
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: was Hexit and Rubio that went in and informed Trump
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: of the fact that Devonians were starting to shoot at
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: some of these ships again for going through the Southern
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: Corridor without coordinating with them, and that that prompted this
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: whole beginning of him deciding to take military action, et cetera.
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: It does not appear, at least from the Wall Street
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: Journal reporting that actual negotiators, the ones that are in
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: charge of the file, were particularly participant in at least
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: in the initial discussions in which this was done. And
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: I think it adds to the picture in which we
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: have seen in the past week or so, Rubio, after
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: the MoU was negotiated, suddenly emerging into the scene here
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: both in Lebanon and in the GCC, despite the fact
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: that prior to that he spent most of his time
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: focusing on Venezuela and Cuba. But now suddenly he showed up.
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: He mediated a deal between Israel and Lebanon. That completely
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: contradicts the MLU, and it appears to me at least
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: to be an effort to sabotage the MU. He went
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: to the GCC States and got them to sign this
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: public statement that completely closes the path towards one option
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: of resolving the issue over the Strait of Hormue. So
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: both of those to me seemed as an effort of
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: undermining the negotiations. And now you have Fox Will saying
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: actually put the negotiations entirely into the hands of the
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: person who was opposed to these talks from gobsets M. Treta.
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: We appreciate your time.
• 52:09
  Speaker 8: I know you had to get out of here pretty sharply,
• 52:13
  Speaker 8: but always helpful to have you on.
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: Thanks so much for having you. Appreciate it. Thank you.
• 52:19
  Speaker 8: I have a great weekend.
• 52:21
  Speaker 6: Check out Tree to subsecond as well.
• 52:26
  Speaker 8: All right, I've got I've got something pretty fascinating for
• 52:28
  Speaker 8: you guys that really isn't getting enough attention. Let me
• 52:30
  Speaker 8: put this up on the screen here, so as well
• 52:35
  Speaker 8: as a bunch of people probably already realized, Germany's auto
• 52:39
  Speaker 8: manufacturing capacity is collapsing amid basically twin pressures. One their
• 52:45
  Speaker 8: energy costs have skyrocketed because somebody blew up a pipeline
• 52:50
  Speaker 8: that was supplying them with all of their cheap energy
• 52:53
  Speaker 8: from Russia, and so as a result, they can't compete
• 52:56
  Speaker 8: like they used to be able to. And secondly, Chinese
• 53:00
  Speaker 8: electric vehicles are just as emily. You saw it just
• 53:03
  Speaker 8: dominating the global market. You were recently in Brazil.
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: Like what tell us? Can you tell us real quickly
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: about the byds?
• 53:09
  Speaker 6: I was all up in those byds?
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: How are they?
• 53:12
  Speaker 8: I've never seen one with my own naked eyes.
• 53:15
  Speaker 6: Yeah, no, I was actually really excited.
• 53:16
  Speaker 7: It's I would say, you know, at least in Brazilia,
• 53:19
  Speaker 7: probably half the time, if you're getting an Uber, you're
• 53:22
  Speaker 7: getting a BYD. There's a big BYD dealership right outside
• 53:26
  Speaker 7: of the Brazilia airport.
• 53:27
  Speaker 6: They're everywhere.
• 53:28
  Speaker 7: They're obviously very very slick, and huge competitor to Tesla.
• 53:33
  Speaker 7: So that's definitely a major They're obviously not a major
• 53:38
  Speaker 7: player on the global EV marketplace, and you can totally
• 53:43
  Speaker 7: understand why I'm not an EV person in general.
• 53:46
  Speaker 8: But there's they're slick, and so Germany sees the writing
• 53:50
  Speaker 8: on the wall and what they're doing is they're saying, okay, well,
• 53:53
  Speaker 8: if we can't compete when it comes to auto manufacturing,
• 53:57
  Speaker 8: we do need a lot of drones because we live
• 54:00
  Speaker 8: in fear of a Russian invasion, and so let's convert
• 54:05
  Speaker 8: a significant amount of our industrial automaking capacity into drone
• 54:08
  Speaker 8: making capacity. But there's an interesting hitch that just arose,
• 54:14
  Speaker 8: not just drone making capacity, but all kind of defense
• 54:17
  Speaker 8: capacity iron et cetera. Yeah, so let me put up
• 54:22
  Speaker 8: this Jerusalem Post article. So the headline here, Cutter veto's
• 54:28
  Speaker 8: Volkswagen deal with Israeli defense company Raphael in Germany. So,
• 54:33
  Speaker 8: in other words, the Germans were trying to convert a
• 54:37
  Speaker 8: Volkswagen plant into an iron dome manufacturing plant, and they're like,
• 54:43
  Speaker 8: solves all of our problems, except, oh, wait a minute,
• 54:48
  Speaker 8: Cutter is a golf country that was just bombed by
• 54:53
  Speaker 8: Israel like back, you know, back in twenty twenty four,
• 54:56
  Speaker 8: and considers them to be a geopolitical rival. And they're
• 55:00
  Speaker 8: the ones that have an enormous amount of investment in Germany.
• 55:04
  Speaker 8: And so you've got the Israeli technology, but you've got
• 55:06
  Speaker 8: the Qatari money, and so the Germans are kind of
• 55:10
  Speaker 8: caught between the two of them. So now this, this
• 55:12
  Speaker 8: effort to kind of rehab this Osnabruck plant into a
• 55:18
  Speaker 8: weapons maker is now stalled.
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: Because of that. It's a it's.
• 55:25
  Speaker 8: An interesting window into way into the way that all
• 55:28
  Speaker 8: these kind of conflicting structural forces that we're watching play
• 55:31
  Speaker 8: out on a daily basis are colliding with each other
• 55:35
  Speaker 8: in what seems like a really unsustainable way.
• 55:39
  Speaker 7: That's crazy and for the reck of Ryan surprised us
• 55:41
  Speaker 7: with the story and what I did not expect him
• 55:43
  Speaker 7: to say. There was none of those was on my
• 55:45
  Speaker 7: bingo card when he opened up by talking about the
• 55:48
  Speaker 7: German Volkswagen plant that was Florida.
• 55:52
  Speaker 8: Didn't think it was going to Doha and Jerusalem. Yeah,
• 55:56
  Speaker 8: so no, just just wanted to share that with the audience. No, no,
• 56:01
  Speaker 8: you know, huge deeper thoughts, but that like this is fascinating, Like, yeah,
• 56:07
  Speaker 8: this will have implications for the US too, because in order,
• 56:12
  Speaker 8: you know, so in the US, you're gonna have a
• 56:15
  Speaker 8: bunch of weapons makers. You're gonna want to team up
• 56:19
  Speaker 8: with the Israeli military, which they're trying to fuse with ours.
• 56:22
  Speaker 8: Albit Systems in fact, which is the number one military
• 56:25
  Speaker 8: contractor in Israel, is in the lead to get the
• 56:30
  Speaker 8: American howitzer contract. So there's a multi billion dollar contract
• 56:37
  Speaker 8: for an Israeli company to be making howitzers like iconic
• 56:41
  Speaker 8: American weapons system, which we.
• 56:43
  Speaker 6: Also just authorized patriots in Ukraine right this.
• 56:47
  Speaker 8: Week, right authorized, Right, they're like, oh, go ahead and
• 56:50
  Speaker 8: make your own because Ukraine is complaining that we're wasting
• 56:54
  Speaker 8: all of our patriots in this unnecessary war with Iran.
• 56:57
  Speaker 8: And meanwhile, all like the last ballistic missile strike from
• 57:02
  Speaker 8: Russia on Kiev, every single ballistic missile went through and
• 57:05
  Speaker 8: something like thirty two people were killed. So they're starting
• 57:07
  Speaker 8: to take significant casualties in these ballistic missile attacks from
• 57:12
  Speaker 8: Russia because their stockpile of interceptors is basically exhausted. And
• 57:17
  Speaker 8: so the US solution was, well, here's a license, you
• 57:20
  Speaker 8: can make your own. It's like, bro, we're getting bombed today,
• 57:25
  Speaker 8: like so like and you know, if they try to
• 57:28
  Speaker 8: build a factory in Ukraine right now, Russia will bomb that.
• 57:32
  Speaker 8: So Ukraine has moved most of its defense technology and
• 57:36
  Speaker 8: drone technology into Poland and Germany and elsewhere, and the
• 57:40
  Speaker 8: Russians have said, you know, well, if that's what you're doing,
• 57:42
  Speaker 8: maybe we need Maybe were then justified in hitting Poland
• 57:46
  Speaker 8: in Germany. So yeah, they have a license, but like
• 57:49
  Speaker 8: a license doesn't do much for you when the when
• 57:52
  Speaker 8: the missiles are flying, like right now, see.
• 57:55
  Speaker 7: The defense stocks up on the screen here, pretty much
• 57:58
  Speaker 7: everybody down except for come them.
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: How are they losing money?
• 58:02
  Speaker 8: How do you lose money in this environment?
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: Right now?
• 58:07
  Speaker 4: So if I'm to get if I meant to understand
• 58:10
  Speaker 4: this correctly, Ryan, due to Trump's war in Iran, it
• 58:15
  Speaker 4: has slowed down Germany's ability to turn a car company
• 58:20
  Speaker 4: into a drone warfare company.
• 58:22
  Speaker 5: Is that what I'm supposed to get or.
• 58:24
  Speaker 8: In this in this case iron Dome. But yeah, their
• 58:26
  Speaker 8: broad strategy is to stop, you know, move away from
• 58:29
  Speaker 8: some of their concentration and vehicles, which is sad.
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: Those were cool cars because that was a short lived thing.
• 58:35
  Speaker 6: I called them the VW Bug, the Iron Dome.
• 58:38
  Speaker 8: Always we'll we'll have Mercedes drones. But if Kutzer has
• 58:42
  Speaker 8: anything to say about it, it's not going to be
• 58:44
  Speaker 8: done with in coordination with Israel, and Israel helped develop
• 58:50
  Speaker 8: the Iron Dome with the United States, which they love
• 58:53
  Speaker 8: to remind us of. So they have some they have
• 58:56
  Speaker 8: some you know, purchase to to make these objections.
• 59:01
  Speaker 4: Well, Trump is slowing down the German war machine with
• 59:04
  Speaker 4: his own war. I think that's eligible for another peace prize.
• 59:07
  Speaker 4: Put it on the board for him.
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: There.
• 59:10
  Speaker 4: But why don't we end, Why don't we end with
• 59:13
  Speaker 4: another story. Let's get back home for a sec to
• 59:16
  Speaker 4: New York City, where Zoron Mamdani is enraging, enraging people
• 59:22
  Speaker 4: with a new map of immigrants or immigrant locations, immigrant
• 59:28
  Speaker 4: areas of the city enclaves, which has angered one Rudy Giuliani.
• 59:35
  Speaker 4: Let's look at and many more.
• 59:37
  Speaker 7: There is an army of Rudy Giuliani's. They are angry
• 59:40
  Speaker 7: at zarn over those.
• 59:42
  Speaker 5: We are Rudy. Rudy says mom.
• 59:45
  Speaker 4: Donni's decision to leave out little Italy on his map
• 59:48
  Speaker 4: of enclaves within New York is beyond shameful. Italian Americans
• 59:52
  Speaker 4: contribute so much, not just in New York City but
• 59:54
  Speaker 4: the entire nation. He also left out Irish and Jewish enclaves.
• 59:59
  Speaker 4: We all know what's.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: Going on here.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 4: And here we've got a map that they put out here,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 4: We've got all sorts of places. We've got little India,
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 4: little Egypt, We've got a little sign little Odessa, there's
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 4: a little Ukraine.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 5: Don't worry, Ukraine. We got you Ecuador.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 4: You know, all sorts of stuff here, but no Little
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 4: Italy on this map. And of course our friends at
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 4: the Free Press had to dig into this and speak
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 4: to local Little Italians about uh this, Little Italians. Let's
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 4: let's say I love Little Italy. This is one of
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 4: my favorite restaurants right here. Let's take a listen, Hey.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 14: Mon Donnie, I give you a year you want, not
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 14: a New.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 6: York You the mis regie.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 13: And today we are here in Little Italy asking the
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 13: locals how they feel about one of the oldest immigrant communities,
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 13: Little Italy, not being included on Mayor Mom Donnie's immigrant
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 13: enclave map.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: I don't consider you to be my maya. I think
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: it's just right before.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 17: He's gotta be fair to everybody, and he's not fair
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 17: to everybody.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: He's not fair to the Jewish people.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 17: But she makes everybody notice he's not fair to the
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 17: Jewish people, he's not fair to the Irish people.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: And now he hates the Italians for what reason?
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 14: What do we do?
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  Speaker 17: Then, n I said, ate us.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: They always sort of pushed us to the side. I
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: got it.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 7: Yeah, but.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 16: Their own problems, and we're always pushed aside.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 15: And I think time that you have to be firm
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 15: about this, otherwise we'll totally be for done.
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  Speaker 10: If you understand what took place here over one hundred
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 10: years ago, between eighteen eighty and nineteen twenty, when the
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 10: mass migration of Italian immigrants first came. This was the
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 10: stepping stone for the Italians.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 14: Or the Bari family came here one hundred and twenty
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 14: years ago from Sicily. They were immigrants. They landed down
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 14: in what's known as the Five Points. Grandma started the
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 14: san Ganowa festival right up there. That is Grandma. That
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 14: is Grandma, Grandma from the Bari family. Okay, she is
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 14: the heartness all of this neighborhood.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 17: My grandfather was on the Society of Saint Gennaro, which
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 17: happens to this share one hundred years so it means
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 17: a lot to me, little Lily.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 14: You know, there's no such thing as left or right down.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 14: Yet both sides of the street are beautiful.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 10: And what makes New York City such a special place
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 10: is a collage of many different cultures.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: People from all over the world.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 10: Come here and settle and they need to be recognized
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 10: for the contributions that they brought to this wonderful country.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 7: All right, I stand with them completely honestly, and I
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 7: think this is an inexplicable decision that's actually sort of beautiful.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there we go.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, why did you leave that off?
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 6: Honestly?
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 8: Yeah, they brought us. They brought us pizza, they brought
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 8: us the mob, they brought us anarchism. I mean, what
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 8: more could you ask for?
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 6: But what actual question? Why were they not on the map?
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 8: I see how they missed. I don't know how they
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 8: left us. That's it's absurd. Maybe like somebody read like
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 8: how the Italians and Irish became white? And they're like, well,
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 8: they don't count anymore as immigrants.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 6: They've got a little Ukraine.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 8: They put well a little more recent little Ukraine. I
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 8: don't know, put out a new map. Come on, yeah,
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 8: take Alan, put out a new map.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 6: Breaking point stands for a new map.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 5: We absolutely need a new map.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 4: This is the most atrocious thing that he has done
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 4: in office.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 8: Discrimination.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 6: It's bad politics. So like it's actually bad politics.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 4: Mom, Donnie misstep, huge, mom, Donnie misstep. Here we call
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 4: balls and strikes. And that most definitely was a fright
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 4: that was a wild, wild pitch outside and yeah, I
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 4: mean listen, I think we're all going to be pouring
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 4: out a Negroni in honor of the little Italy, which
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 4: is incredible.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 5: Everyone should go get a slice. Sit on the streets
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 5: on Italian influence in New York. Every time I go,
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 5: I was surprised that there was.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 4: There was a lot of you know, clearly he wanted
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 4: to owner also felt that way about his handling of.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 5: Israel and Jewish nature stuff.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 4: So it seems like the free press will be up
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 4: and down those Irish astray.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 8: There was there a.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 6: Ryan every time he's in New York City.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's right, Michael Scott outside Borrow.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 4: That would be the ultimate humiliation he did his mom.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 4: Donnie's next video is this is to Borrow.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: Wow, tomorrow is not bad.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 6: I'm not gonna lie.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: It's an institution.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 4: Well, uh, that's gonna do it for all of our
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 4: important news segments, uh, for this Friday. But why don't
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 4: we get into a little bit of supercast am A
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 4: questions for our members to round out this episode. All right,
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 4: and it's time for some A m A questions. If
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 4: you join at Breakingpoints dot com, you too, can submit
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 4: an incredible written question that we will read on the
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 4: Friday shows. This is my favorite part of the show,
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 4: and sorry sometimes of that run short. Let's start with
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 4: Amy Snise, who asks there's a big call on the
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 4: left for media outlets like Breaking Points to interview Kashama Sewan.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry if I don't know if that's how I
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 4: say her name about her independent run for Congress against
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 4: Adam Smith, one of the architects of the attempt to
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 4: merge the Israeli military with the US military. I think
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 4: you all should interview her. It would be weird to
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 4: only interview Democratic candidates running against these incumbents backed by
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 4: the Israeli lobby. As a leftist in Michigan, I have
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 4: largely abandoned the Democratic Party except for a very few
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 4: local candidates like Abdul, who I'm willing to vote for
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 4: but ultimately do not trust to be better than AOC.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 4: It would also be nice to hear from people like
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 4: Breonna joy Gray on some of these electoral issues. She
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 4: offers a left perspective that Krystal and Ryan don't often
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 4: get into.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 8: Your response, Yeah, so on Kashama Sawant, So the way
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 8: that we think about what having candidates honor is basically
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 8: two things. One there has to be let's say there's
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 8: something very interesting going on in their race, like we
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 8: have some news on the race, there's some particular influence
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 8: in the race, there's a particular issue that this candidate
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 8: relates to. Even if that candidate isn't like neck and
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 8: neck with the other opponent, with their opponent like that,
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 8: that could be a reason to get onto the to
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 8: do an interview with someone who we don't necessarily think
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 8: even has a shot of winning, but they're very interesting
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 8: and newsworthy in their own right. And then the second
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 8: is if they have a realistic shot of winning and
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 8: represent some newsworthy kind of movement in our politics. And
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 8: you know, we're happy to have people from all all
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 8: spectrums like on it's not just the lefties or not
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 8: just the you know, megatypes. Happy to have the establishing
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 8: folks on to like go back and forth with them
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 8: and you know, pressure test their own arguments. So those
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 8: are the the two buckets that they fit into. So
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 8: want doesn't quite fit the first one. You could cover
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 8: Adam Smith and his role infusing the military without you know,
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 8: needing to talk to the opponent and maybe fits into
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 8: the second, but we would need some evidence of it.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 8: I was I was actually talking to Sabby Sabs just
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 8: about this yesterday and I was asking her.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: She was saying, why don't you guys have Kashamas want on?
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 8: And I was like, you have do you have any like,
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 8: do you have any evidence that this is a this
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 8: is a real race, because what we don't want to
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 8: do is tell our audience this is a serious candidate
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 8: who is in this election, and then election day comes
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 8: and they get seven percent of the vote, because then
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 8: the audience is like, you guys have no idea what
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 8: you're talking about. Next time you tell me that this
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 8: is a serious challenge, I'm not going to believe you.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 8: So there's a threshold factor there. But we had point
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 8: not to interrupt to that point.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 4: You know, some people would then say, but wait a second,
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 4: you had Zoron on when he was at like one
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 4: percent in the polls, Like, how do you make the
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 4: delineation there? And also some people also feel like a
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 4: lot of people also feel like when people request us
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 4: to have candidates on, they're like, that would be the
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 4: thing that changes everything if they get that Breaking Points
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 4: interview that's going to create a big avalanche that's going
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 4: to change an entire race and boost a candidate from
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 4: obscurity to the mainstream.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 8: That it's an interesting dynamic because it does have this
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 8: reverse chicken and egg type of feel to it, like
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 8: the same way that candidates have a hard time raising
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 8: money if they're not considered to be viable, but it
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 8: can't be considered to be viable until they've raised money.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 8: It's the same problem that kids often confront right out college, like, well,
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 8: we'd like to hire you, you don't have any experience. Well,
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 8: how can I get experience if you won't hire me.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 8: So there has to be an art to it as well,
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 8: to say, you know what, for a variety of reasons,
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 8: we think this particular candidate, if given a little bit
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 8: of attention, actually we'll catch fire. Mam Donnie fit that bucket.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 8: But Mom, Donnie also fit the bucket that he was
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 8: doing something that was interesting on its own. He was
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 8: out in the street interviewing Trump voters about why they
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 8: voted for Trump in New York and and he was
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 8: incorporating that into his message. So even if he flamed
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 8: out in his election, like that was interesting in its
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 8: own right. In twenty eighteen, when I decided to kind
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 8: of go all in on covering AOC's primary, I didn't
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 8: suspect that she would beat him. I thought it would
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 8: be more competitive than people thought. But Joe Crowley was
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 8: in line to be the Speaker of the House, might
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 8: even have challenged Pelosi, or Pelosi may even have stepped
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 8: down at that point. And so I saw it as
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 8: a vehicle to tell people who Joe Crowley was because
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 8: at the time, he had a national name idea of
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 8: like five percent, he had a he had a DC
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 8: name idea of one hundred percent, was extremely powerful, but
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 8: nobody nationally knew who he was. So I was thinking, like, hey,
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 8: this is a way to like just let people know
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 8: who Joe Crowley is through covering this election. But then
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 8: as we covered the election, she starts to catch fire.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 6: Yeah, he was way high up in the Pelosi chain
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 6: of succession.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 8: So that so the short answer to that is, it's
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 8: about it's an art. It's guessing. We had Chuck park
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 8: On in New York City. He ended up running a
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 8: very close race. People didn't get behind him. If they had,
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 8: he probably wins, and people regret. I think at this
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 8: point not getting behind him, he'll probably he'll probably run again.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 8: So what I said to Sabby Sabs was there any polling?
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 8: And she said, I don't know about it, but there's
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 8: you know, she's raised like four hundred thousand dollar. That's
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 8: a lot of money. You know she's going to be
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 8: facing millions if she gets serious. So if there's polling,
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 8: this is what I would say to to this a
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 8: want campaign. If there's polling that shows that this is
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 8: a serious race, then you know we're then we're interested
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 8: in covering it absolutely.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: Uh. If she raised four hundred thousand dollars.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 8: You know, a pole is only five or ten grand nowadays,
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 8: like they're you know, they're they're much cheaper. You can
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 8: go ahead and run a pole. She had savvy was like,
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 8: you know, I know you guys have beefed in the past.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 8: I was like, actually, we haven't beefed like she has.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 8: It's been a one way beef. If she's dumped on me,
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 8: I don't have any problem with her at all.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 4: And that's that's also not how it's okay to We
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 4: would still have them on if they absolutely like the whole.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: The whole world at some point or other has dunked
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: on me at one point or another.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 8: It's fine like that.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm That's what I'm here fort like have
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: at it. We're absolutely fine.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 8: Have people on who had dunked on me two years
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 8: ago or today, Like, it's fine on the show near
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 8: Tannan is welcome like today on the show.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 5: That'd be a lit Friday.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 8: This morning, I was saying that she should apologize or
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 8: resign for her comment that she's talked about Abdul el Siad.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: Uh, she's welcome to welcome to come on anyway.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 7: Uh.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 8: And she's retweeted somebody calling me a scumbag. She's still
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 8: welcome to come on.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I retweeted exactly.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 8: Griffin liked it. He thought his like was secret I haven't,
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 8: I know, yeah, special access to likes. So anyway, So
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 8: that's that's what I would say. Bring us, bring us
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 8: some data that shows us that this is a serious race.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 5: And then we'll talk absolutely all right. I think that
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 5: was a great insight in how we make all of
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 5: these decisions. And then also, you know, there are other
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 5: candidates that you know, we might find sort of interesting
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 5: but don't really have like a big hook that the
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 5: audience cares about.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: Sometimes.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 5: I'm not saying that about Kashama.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 4: But you know, we for you know, for opening up
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 4: the kimono or parting it for a second. You know,
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 4: we probably get like twenty requests a day, right in
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 4: different candidates and different stuff. And if it was just
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 4: candidates for two hours every single day, people will want
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 4: to watch that, Yeah, it would be tough. So we
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 4: try to wrap it into a story that people care about.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 4: So that's another right, So.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 7: The pitch was Zorn literally was he had just been
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 7: out in I think it was Queen's I remember, Yeah,
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 7: he had just been out that weekend after Trump won,
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 7: talking to Trump voters, and so that's where we're like, oh,
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 7: this would be super interesting to talk to him. And
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 7: it was a I don't remember if they pitched it
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 7: or if we just knew that that was happening, but
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 7: that's how the segment was booked.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 5: And I guess our instincts were right on that one.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 5: All right. This next one is from Brent Combs.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 4: Ryan, appreciate your courage to have hard conversations and report
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 4: on sensitive topics. I'm sorry for all the misguided hate
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 4: and commentary you're getting lately from reporting on.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 5: The Platinum story and such.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 4: How do you deal with this kind of stress and
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 4: what motivates you to keep going? You are one of
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 4: my heroes. Man, keep up the great work.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 8: Oh, I appreciate that.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: That's awesome.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 8: Well, you motivate me. We talked briefly about this on
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 8: the show yesterday. We have a independent source of support
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 8: and revenue here at breaking points and also at drop site,
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 8: just from regular people. And as a result, we don't
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 8: have bosses who wear suits and down the hall who
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 8: tell us what we can say. We don't have corporate
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 8: or other sponsors that can threaten to withhold money, and
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 8: that gives us a unique ability to just say what
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 8: we believe, to search out the truth and report the truth.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 8: And very few people have that opportunity to do that.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 8: Most people, most reporters, have to go through layers of
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 8: complications to get from the gathering of news to the
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 8: reporting of news. Because we don't have to do that,
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 8: I just feel this moral obligation to do it, especially
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 8: when it's uncomfortable, because the audience has put so much.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 8: The audience has built this because they want us to
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 8: do that. So if they've built that and then we
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 8: shrink from it. All we're doing is grifting. All we're
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 8: doing is like producing some entertaining content and cashing people's
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 8: checks who believe that they're funding something that is going
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 8: to have the courage and the strength to stand up
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 8: up when it's difficult, but actually doesn't do it when
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 8: when the chips are down. So that's why I feel
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 8: like an extra obligation to do it, even if it's
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 8: not terribly pleasant.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 6: What would the process have been like or how would
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 6: it may maybe have been different reporting out that political
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 6: story if you were still at Interceptor or huff Post
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 6: or other places that you've worked rain.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 8: Intercept probably would have been fine, Probably could have probably
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 8: could have done that just the same at the Intercept,
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 8: because you know then, you know, when we left it
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 8: was because we felt like that might be changing. But
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 8: during the time that we were there, I don't think
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 8: I would have had a problem. And I did a
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 8: you know, a bunch of stories at the time that
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 8: were you know, controversial, and we and we published them.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: Proudly the Huffington Post.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 8: It was interesting like that, that's kind of stuff didn't
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 8: really come up in the same way at the time, Right, Yeah,
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 8: I had full free reign of the Washington Bureau Areana
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 8: had you know, just complete had just delegated complete authority.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 8: So I could have done it, but it was a
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 8: different time and like that, Yeah, you just didn't have
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 8: stories like that really that came up. Yeah, it makes
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 8: sense now today it would be completely different at what
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 8: remains I think of the Huffington Post. Yeah, so I
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 8: mean that's that's basically Ah, that's basically how I how
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 8: I see that that like, because we've been given this
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 8: opportunity by the audience we have, we have to deliver
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 8: on it or we're or we're basically ripping them off
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 8: and defrauding them.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 6: Mm hm.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 5: And that's what I've told everyone on Blue Sky.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 7: So my first so when I was a college student
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 7: I was doing at the time and Griffin, you're the
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 7: same age as us, You remember this, and Ryan will
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 7: remember it well.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 6: It was the era of the rape culture discourse.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 7: And so my first journalism work is when I was
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 7: a college student reporting out some what we would now
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 7: call me too stories but at the time were kind
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 7: of rape culture stories.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 6: And then went on to do a lot.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 7: Of like media criticism of me too and have like
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 7: reported out some of the stuff in the past, and
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 7: I just think, you know, it's a nontroversy the criticism
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 7: that Ryan and to something except Sager got this week
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 7: for including a perfectly relevant detail because people read into
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 7: it projected onto it their own position on X, Y
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 7: or Z. So I wasn't on this week except for Monday,
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 7: so I just wanted to put.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: That out there too.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 8: Yeah, and for people who missed that, we reported that
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 8: Politico was aware that Jenny Rascott had texted grand Platner
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 8: that evening about saying I need a glue massage, and
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 8: he's like, I'll come right over, and she's and then
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 8: she says, she said no, no, no, don't come over.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 8: And Politico reported it as they exchange text messages and
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 8: she told him not to come over. Our point is
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 8: that those are different scenarios. Yeah, the Politico version supports
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 8: a breaking and entering. The one that Jenny told truthfully
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 8: and transparently supports possibly believing he saw that text message,
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 8: he jumped in the car, he came over and didn't
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 8: see the follow up text messages. If and we don't
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 8: know the wording of those follow up text messages either.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 8: So if you're going to try an allegation in the
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 8: court of public opinion, then you put forward as many
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 8: facts as you have for the public. And the reason
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 8: I'm not too bothered by the criticism is that anybody
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 8: who looks at this reasonably agrees with that, Like, there's
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 8: just this context, and you don't have to believe it's
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 8: relevant context to believe it should still be shared, because
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 8: you're not the only person in a democracy. A democracy
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 8: includes all of us, and it is unquestionably the fact
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 8: that many people do believe it is relevant, and so
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 8: it's for them, then it's not for you. If we
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 8: were just a dictatorship and there's just one person making
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 8: the decision and it's you who's offended by the inclusion
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 8: of this detail, then okay, fine, but that's not what
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 8: we are. We are a democracy.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 6: Goes to the.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 7: Credibility of Rassacoon as well, that she was willing to
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 7: say that to Political That's a point Political ironed it out, so.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 8: Like if she was like, yep, right, she it shows
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 8: a level of confidence in her own condition of the
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 8: events that she was willing to include that, and it
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 8: shows something else on Politico's part to withhold it.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 5: Yep, Yeah, are the hard question.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, our final question comes from m mcri Plattner. I
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 4: took one look at this guy's Wikipedia, which I'd not
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 4: read before this morning, with the trust fund background, that
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 4: being kicked out of Hotchkiss, the dropping out of GW,
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 4: the bartending at the tune in, that getting the job
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 4: farming oysters due to his mother's fancy food connections. Who
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 4: in God's name thought this person was a reliable person
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 4: to put forward as a paragon of progressivism or as
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 4: a person we thought was capable of completing any kind
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 4: of structured process. There is no evidence this person has
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 4: ever completed anything of substance. Ever, What were we thinking?
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 4: And I guess if you're saying weed, does that mean
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 4: you live in Maine? Because the Maners they didn't really
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 4: care about any of that. I mean, this guy got
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 4: the most votes in any primary in Maine in history,
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 4: and it does seem trumping in the sense that I like,
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 4: I see so many centrist liberals trying to nail people
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 4: like Emma Vigland and other people who are supporting Platner
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 4: on this and being like, all, well, the Maners liked
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 4: him just because he had a deep voice and because
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 4: of all of his personal bona fides, but it seemed
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 4: like it was more trumpy and they're like, yeah, I
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 4: don't like everything about this guy, but I like the
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 4: policies that he is so loudly, you know, pushing. So
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 4: that seems to me to be what the majority of
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 4: mayners felt about Platner.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys have anything else to that.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 7: There was an Axios article dunking on some progressive media.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 7: I've seen this in other quarters as well, including US.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 7: I don't know if we were mentioned in the Axios story,
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 7: but I know, Brian, you've probably gotten some of this
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 7: over the course of the week.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 6: It's an interesting criticism.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 7: He did complete four combat tours of duty, which is
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 7: what actually turned some of the hard left against Grand Platner.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 7: And it's one of those things also where if you're
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 7: going to criticize a guy for not having true working
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 7: class bonafides, I think it's fair to say to give
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 7: scrutiny of where that loan actually came from. Looks like
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 7: it was from his dad, like two hundred thousand dollars
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 7: from his dad. I think it's perfectly fair to be
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 7: to scrutinize his record. I think it's fair to say
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 7: he went to Hotchkiss, even though, as he explained to us,
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 7: he dropped out because he didn't like it. All of
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 7: those things totally relevant context that the voters of Maine
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 7: had in front of them, and so did the progressive
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 7: journalists and the independent media outlets that were covering the guy.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 7: I just think when you serve for combat tours of
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 7: duty in those wars, for better or worse, and I
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 7: really mean that, it can give you a totally I mean,
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 7: you can't define that as blue collar or white collar,
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 7: but I can tell you that it's not white collar, right.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 7: That's an enormous physical sacrifice, human sacrifice tragically in many cases,
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 7: and it just does give you a perspective on these
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 7: things that is absolutely worthwhile. It doesn't mean it's the
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 7: only qualification anybody should have, but I do think it
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 7: was a major source of and he talked about it constantly,
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 7: He talked about foreign policy constantly. I think it was
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 7: a major source of people's attraction to him, to be honest,
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 7: and I consistently think when you have you know, DC
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 7: journalists being like he went to Hotchkiss or okay, like
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 7: he went to hotch Kiss, or his grandfather was a
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 7: famous architect.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 6: I get it. I do think that's relevant. But he
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 6: served four combat tours of duty in the Middle East.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 7: That does completely change the story if you just want
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 7: to say he's some little hotchkiss drop out, rich little
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 7: hotchkiss drop out who had his mom's you know, restaurant
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 7: to serve with the oyster farm, Do I think that
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 7: his consultants and probably him played also him played into
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 7: building a character.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 6: Yes, of course, that's that's politics.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 7: And so if some people were overly credulous about it,
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 7: I hear the criticism, but also again, like he had
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 7: that chunk of what was it, run like fifteen years
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 7: of his life dedicated to that. That's a significant wrinkle
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 7: in the story that he's just some rich kid, right
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 7: plus bartending, plus plus the oystering, which people.
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 8: Say, oh, this is just a hobby, blah blah, like
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 8: he's been doing it for five or six years.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 7: You know.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 8: I grew up on the Eastern Shore, which is you know,
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 8: as a very hot, strong waterman economy. I went out
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 8: with my buddy, one of my best friends was a
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 8: crabber a couple times, and twenty years later, I still
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 8: remember how.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: Hard that work was like you know, you're waking up.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 8: At three am, You're you're out on the water before
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 8: the sun rises. You're you're you're pulling out of the
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 8: water like extraordinarily heavy. You know, this was trotlining. It's dangerous,
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 8: like the whole thing is dangerous. And then but you're
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 8: sometimes done, you know, for at least crabbing, you can
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 8: be done by like nine or ten am and you
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 8: just completely wrecked for the rest of the day. And
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 8: this is the eastern shore of Maryland. He's up in
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 8: Maine where it's like absolutely freezing. He is every single
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 8: day going out on the water before the sun rises,
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 8: pulling up you know, fifty sixty pounds, you know, like
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 8: gigantic oyster crates and doing that for hours in frigid,
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 8: miserable conditions for.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: Years, like.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 8: You can call it, like people have hobbies like hebby,
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 8: Like does that sounds like something you're doing for fun.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 7: He's also in the infantry, by the way, that's also
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 7: worth benching, so like he.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: Was it was the infantry. He was not.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 8: Jad Van says it was like a spokesperson for like
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 8: Stars and Stripes or whatever. What was his job?
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 6: I mean, great going to.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 8: Buddha judge who like just went to cobble for like,
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 8: you know, five months and didn't.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 4: Anywhere that had Wi fi right, and you to talk
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 4: about how hard it is to fish them, then you
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 4: got to shock them, which which is equally hard if
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 4: anyone's ever tried to shock an oyster, also incredibly dangerous
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 4: and respect.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 6: When did you shuck an oyster?
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 5: I've worked in restaurants for a long time. I was
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 5: a dishpit guy. You were shocking oysters, not in the.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 4: Dishpit, but you know, I got behind I got behind
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 4: the counter for a little bit.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 5: You know, I've shocked.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: Fair share of oyster.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 8: Think about that, like Griffin remembers like viscerally, you know
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 8: the difficulty and the danger of of that. And and
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 8: he's maybe done it, you know, days or weeks, he's
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 8: doing it for like five six years, Like that's not nothing,
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 8: And I think people just don't really think that's what
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 8: I think.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 7: I just remember getting yelled at by the oysterman at
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 7: Sager's wedding for briefly putting my drink on the table
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 7: where he was shucking his oysters.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: Oh you were going to get some oyster guts in
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: your uh, your drink. There he was.
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 8: He was looking out for you.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 6: M M.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 4: Probably share all right, And we'll end with sebas one
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 4: on one saying for wonderful BP, given the betrayals of
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 4: Platnir and Fetterman, should Progresses avoid ogre looking candidates.
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 5: For a while. To me, he looks a little bit
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 5: more like the Lora Axe.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 6: Like, yeah, but yeah, Shrek is out.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 5: Shrek is out.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess that's gonna be an indication of it's
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: for sure.
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yes, it really is.
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 7: It's not just Main that's gonna have a ripple effect
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 7: for all of these indeed startup candidates.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 4: So mm hmm okay, well with that, we are going
• 1:28:54
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