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Yoga star eyed in horrific death of identical twin sister · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace on Sirius XM Triumph Channel
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Speaker 1: one two. Did a yoga star intentionally murder her gorgeous
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Speaker 1: identical twin sister? We are going live in a trial
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Speaker 1: that has just kicked off. Did a woman murder her
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Speaker 1: twin sister by driving her off a cliff? Intentionally killing
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Speaker 1: her by plowing their suv over a two hundred foot
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Speaker 1: cliff in Hawaii? Well, that is what a judge will determine.
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Speaker 1: Alexandria Duval the case has just started on trial for
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Speaker 1: the murder of her sister. The two big hits in
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Speaker 1: the yoga scene with their own private studio. They had
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Speaker 1: so many customers they had to add on classes. How
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Speaker 1: did everything go so wrong? I'm Nancy Grace, This is
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us, Joining me
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Speaker 1: right now. Dr Bethany Marshall, Los Angeles psycho analyst, Cheryl McCollum,
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Speaker 1: director of the Cold Case Research Institute. Boy do we
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Speaker 1: need her today? Also with me Crime Stories investigative reporters
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Speaker 1: Scott Kimbler. Scott, first of all, before I get to
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Speaker 1: one sister plunging the other sister off a two ft
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Speaker 1: cliff in the middle of a hair fight going down.
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Speaker 1: Unlet's just say she wasn't afraid of a cocktail. Let's
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Speaker 1: just start with that. But before we get to one
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Speaker 1: sister dying at the foot of the cliff, can we
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Speaker 1: talk about their success together, their success story. Yes, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: these two have been running a yoga studio for quite
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Speaker 1: some time, and before they only moved in Hawaii in
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Speaker 1: two thousands of team. Before that, they ran a successful
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Speaker 1: yoga studios plural in Florida, So the sisters were known
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Speaker 1: to be somewhat volatile. They were also very, very popular
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Speaker 1: yoga instructors in Florida and in Hawaii. You know, I've
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Speaker 1: been taking a look at their yoga studio, Cheryl McCollum
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Speaker 1: joining me direct with the Cold Case Institute. And when
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Speaker 1: you are trying to determine and murderer, you don't look
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Speaker 1: just at forensics. Although I like forensics the best, Cheryl,
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Speaker 1: because they really it's more difficult to dispute forensics. Although
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Speaker 1: I guess you can get an expert, pay an expert
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Speaker 1: to do anything or say anything, But Cheryl, their history together,
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Speaker 1: these twins had a huge, huge following at their Florida
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Speaker 1: yoga studio. I agree with you Nancy, you gotta go
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Speaker 1: back in time on this one. These twins went from
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Speaker 1: New York to Utah to Florida to Hawaii. You are
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Speaker 1: successful and everything is good. Why are you moving like that?
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Speaker 1: So in my world, if I've got two people, they
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Speaker 1: have moved from Florida to Hawaii and changed their names
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Speaker 1: because they're running from something they're hiding. That's an interesting
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Speaker 1: point because to me, they seem to have it all
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Speaker 1: when they were in Florida, because um, the yoga studio
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Speaker 1: was so incredibly popular. They're very striking, number one, very attractive,
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Speaker 1: long blonde hair. Both of them parted in the middle,
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Speaker 1: big blue eyes, making an incredible first impression on people,
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Speaker 1: and so many people credit these two sisters that Duvall
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Speaker 1: twins for improving their lives through yoga. Twin Power was
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Speaker 1: the name of their studio in Florida, and it was
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Speaker 1: in a very posh area. They were in Palm Beach,
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Speaker 1: but then they left for another or retreat for the
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Speaker 1: rich and famous Park City, and they were even trying
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Speaker 1: to launch a reality show about yoga. Now that's interesting
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Speaker 1: because that show. When the reality show fell through Cheryl McCollum,
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Speaker 1: they started falling into debt, and you know money, the
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Speaker 1: love of money is the root of all evil. So
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Speaker 1: let me ask you, how do you think that they
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Speaker 1: descended from being at the top of their game at
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Speaker 1: Twin Power Yoga, where they they would charge sometimes two
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Speaker 1: thousand to thirty five hundred dollars for a yoga certification class.
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Speaker 1: How did they get so far in debt, Nancy, When
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Speaker 1: you're in a posh area like that, everything has got
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Speaker 1: to be taught drawer or people are not coming, So
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Speaker 1: you've got to be in the right area, in the
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Speaker 1: right building, with the best equipment. So probably they went
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Speaker 1: into debt to try to get the students in the
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Speaker 1: first place, and then at that point they're playing catch up.
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Speaker 1: So we know there's been some failed businesses and bankrupt well,
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Speaker 1: I know they were throwing around a lot of money.
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Speaker 1: They would travel to India, India three to four times
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Speaker 1: for yoga instruction. On weekends. They would hire percussionists who
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Speaker 1: would come in and perform during the yoga classes. I
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Speaker 1: mean they're throwing around money left and right to make
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Speaker 1: Twin Power Yoga work. But also they changed names. Cheryl McCollum,
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Speaker 1: I mean, when you change names, that's a big tip
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Speaker 1: off to me. Oh, it's a huge flag in our world, Nanthew,
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Speaker 1: there's no doubt. Again, not only did they change their names,
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Speaker 1: they went to a remote island to start over. Nobody's
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Speaker 1: gonna know them in Hawaii. Just joining me right now,
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Speaker 1: l a psycho analyst, Dot Bethany Marshall. Dr Bethany Marshall.
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Speaker 1: When you just pick up and move to the furthest
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Speaker 1: island off the mainland to the furthest island possible in Hawaii,
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Speaker 1: or pick up and moved to um Alaska or Costa
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Speaker 1: Rica for no apparent reason, leaving what little family you
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Speaker 1: have behind. I mean, their dad is a doctor, for
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Speaker 1: Pete's sake, and they've got family and relatives. Change your
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Speaker 1: name now one of them is dead. Dr Bethany Nancy.
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Speaker 1: I have an office right in the heart of Beverly Hills,
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Speaker 1: and there are a number of businesses around me, yoga studios,
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Speaker 1: clothing stores, little boutique shops. And you walk in and
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Speaker 1: the owners are not just you know, owners of a business,
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Speaker 1: but they're gurus. Like there's this clothing chop up the
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Speaker 1: street from me, where there's two women that own it,
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Speaker 1: and all of the rich Beverly Hills women that come
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Speaker 1: in look to these two women to make their lives better.
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Speaker 1: They talk about their marital stress. They get them to
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Speaker 1: dress them for red carpet events. And these girls that
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Speaker 1: started a clothing what problems. Okay, you're married to some
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Speaker 1: rich guy and you're dressing for the red carpet. What's
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Speaker 1: the problem. I don't know, marital infidelity. Your five thousand
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Speaker 1: or ten thousand dollar a month allowance is not stretching
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Speaker 1: as far as you wanted. Your dog has the flu,
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Speaker 1: I mean whatever. But these women that own these retail
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Speaker 1: stores become therapist, mentors, guides, coaches, gurus. And you're making
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Speaker 1: me have a flashback right now. It was during Dancing
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Speaker 1: with the Stars, and that was the first time I
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Speaker 1: had been away from the twins in my life for
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Speaker 1: that period of time at a stretch, because I had
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Speaker 1: them enrolled in this little Methodist school out there, Westwood,
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Speaker 1: It and um, they would go to school in the
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Speaker 1: morning and then I would be away from them the
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Speaker 1: whole day and wouldn't get back to them till late
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Speaker 1: in the evening. And I remember one weekend I was
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Speaker 1: just trying to be with them non stock because I
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Speaker 1: was miserable away from them, and we were walking along
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Speaker 1: the sidewalk there where you're talking about in Beverly Hills,
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Speaker 1: and John David went over and looked at a pair
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Speaker 1: of gold tennis shoes and I look. We went in
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Speaker 1: and looked. There were nine hundred dollars. I said, don't
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Speaker 1: look at those, just turn away, don't even look at them.
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Speaker 1: These people are crazy. That shop would be on my street.
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Speaker 1: I think, rubbed in, rubbed in. You know what. I
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Speaker 1: don't want to live on that street. You have it,
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Speaker 1: it's all for you. I will stick right here, you know,
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Speaker 1: and drive my beat up minivan and couldn't be happier.
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Speaker 1: But back to it's a warped reality, and which brings
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Speaker 1: me back to these twins. They were living in a
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Speaker 1: warp reality. That's right. It's a warped reality, not only
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Speaker 1: because of the wealth of the clientele, but I think
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Speaker 1: that in the yoga world, there's a very thin line
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Speaker 1: between exercise and kind of like a cult like religiosity,
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Speaker 1: where the person who's instructing the classes becomes I keep
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Speaker 1: using the word gurus, Bengali mentor coach teacher. They become
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Speaker 1: so prominent in the lives of their followers that they
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Speaker 1: become heavy or giddy, or or they think that they're
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Speaker 1: really more important than they really are, and I think
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Speaker 1: that can lead to all kinds of problems, you know,
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Speaker 1: Like Cheryl, I want to follow up on this, this religiosity,
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Speaker 1: uh component to their yoga practice. Cheryl McCullum, director of
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Speaker 1: the Cold Case Research Institute, following up on what Dr
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Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall said. You know, they launched Twin Power Yoga
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Speaker 1: and a really ritzy area in West Palm Beach on
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Speaker 1: eleven eleven eleven, a date that the twins claimed was
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Speaker 1: a spiritual number that meant double creativity. Mm hmmm mmmm. Well,
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Speaker 1: here's what it seems like. The main nancy. They wanted
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Speaker 1: to be famous. They wanted to be well known, whether
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Speaker 1: it was gonna be yoga or reality show or whatever
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Speaker 1: it was going to be. They had the visions of
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Speaker 1: grander so to speak, and by any means the necessary.
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Speaker 1: If they had to go to India, if they had
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Speaker 1: to go to Hawaii, they had to go back to Utah,
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Speaker 1: it didn't matter what they had to do. The way
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Speaker 1: they were trying to, you know, get their own same notice.
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Speaker 1: So well, they also made it. They made a yoga
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Speaker 1: DVD called Twin Power Hour. And I am not ridiculing
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Speaker 1: them at all for ambition and drive, but I am
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Speaker 1: very suspicious about the way they did business because they
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Speaker 1: just up and left one day. A lot of people
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Speaker 1: that paid three thousand dollars almost four thousand dollars for
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Speaker 1: a membership were left high and dry. Nobody was ever
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Speaker 1: paid back. It just they were living the high life,
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Speaker 1: trying to make a reality show and make DVDs. It
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Speaker 1: was in this posh airy Yeah, yeah, I think it
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Speaker 1: was go ahead. It was a straight up coin and
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Speaker 1: we see it, whether Joka or anything else. So they
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Speaker 1: get you to buy into this membership and then they
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Speaker 1: simply move to a white So it's not like you
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Speaker 1: can really, you know, try to get your money back
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Speaker 1: or track them down. And a lot of people to say,
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Speaker 1: you know, looks through it. They're gone, I'm done good
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Speaker 1: with it, and that's it. So you've got the two sisters,
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Speaker 1: and you know what I always say, Sheryl McCollum, when
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Speaker 1: you don't know a horse, look at the track record,
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Speaker 1: look at his track record. But in this case, this
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Speaker 1: is like a deja vu. The twin is killed when
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Speaker 1: she and her sister have a as. I call it
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Speaker 1: a hair fight. You know, a girl fights, swatting and
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Speaker 1: hitting at each other and pulling hair and screaming and
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Speaker 1: biting that whole thing. As they're driving the suv, but
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Speaker 1: flashback away from Hawaii to the Sawgrass Expressway back in Florida,
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Speaker 1: and suddenly, from the passenger seat, the one sister, Anne
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Speaker 1: starts kicking the steering wheel and windshield with her feet
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Speaker 1: as she and the other sister, Allison, from the backseat,
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Speaker 1: scream at the driver because the boyfriend, yes, the boyfriend,
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Speaker 1: was ignoring their demands to stop and get another glass
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Speaker 1: of wine. They had a fit. The guy, the boyfriend quote,
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Speaker 1: I almost went off the road. He bought the kicks
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Speaker 1: with his right arm, and he drove the twins uh
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Speaker 1: continued going forward. He's like, are you guys crazy? You're
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Speaker 1: gonna kill all of us. He finally got them to
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Speaker 1: their home. That was fifteen years ago. Yeryl McCollum over
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Speaker 1: another glass of wine as a car and suv is
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Speaker 1: speeding at about eight mph. Maybe there's clearly some anger issues.
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Speaker 1: There's clearly um an issue where they don't even care
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Speaker 1: about their own safety. They get so enraged in this
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Speaker 1: case to me, looks like almost a murder suicide that failed,
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Speaker 1: meaning the suicide fails, the murder was successible. Well in
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Speaker 1: this case not so sure as a murder suicide attempt.
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Speaker 1: I don't know about that, but I do know that
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Speaker 1: you've got one dead sister and then and dead when
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Speaker 1: the suv driven by twin sister Alison goes two feet
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Speaker 1: off a cliff in Hawaii, and witnesses state they heard
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Speaker 1: the two sisters screaming at each other and saw the
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Speaker 1: passenger pulling the driver's hair before their Ford Explorer smashed
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Speaker 1: through a wrought wall and launched over the cliff. So
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Speaker 1: back to Sky Kimbler are crime Stories investigative reporter, The
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Speaker 1: trial is going down. These two have been described as
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Speaker 1: alpha females that only thought about their image and their success.
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Speaker 1: But they were like Jacqueline Hyde. Once they had a
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Speaker 1: couple of drinks, both of them, they turned into Mr Hyde. Scott, Yes,
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Speaker 1: he too have a history of being very volatile, and
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Speaker 1: yes that that the quick switching a route that they
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Speaker 1: would do, and the NCCO were very well known about
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Speaker 1: doing that to the ex boyfriend and who associates of
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Speaker 1: just being two very violent and volatile women. I don't
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Speaker 1: understand why they changed their name. Sheryl McComb. What was
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Speaker 1: that about Hattie again, Nancy, if you look up who
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Speaker 1: owns this studio as an ast Asia, Well that's not
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Speaker 1: the time artists from you know, Utah or Florida. So
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Speaker 1: they move on. So they changed their name too high. Well,
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Speaker 1: it's funny the names that they picked. Dr Bethany Marshall
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Speaker 1: l a psycho analyst, Joy winding us today and where
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Speaker 1: they head. They go from New York to one rich Enclay,
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Speaker 1: to Palm Beach, another Enclay for the wealthy, to Park
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Speaker 1: City where everybody has a second or third house to
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Speaker 1: go skiing, then to Hawaii and change their names to
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Speaker 1: kind of exotic names to start over. Now one is dead.
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Speaker 1: You know what's interesting is that these charges were actually
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Speaker 1: once dropped. Dr Bethany. Wow. That that's so amazing to
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Speaker 1: me because it sounds like they had a criminal past
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Speaker 1: before they went over the cliff. And when I is
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Speaker 1: it one of the names Anastasia, I mean it's like
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Speaker 1: Russian royalty. I think instead of thinking Anastasia and Alexandria Alexandria, Okay, well,
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Speaker 1: I think instead of thinking of them as yoga instructors.
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Speaker 1: We should just think of them as con artists first
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Speaker 1: and foremost, and then what do the carnal a con
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Speaker 1: artists decide to do in order to take advantage of people.
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Speaker 1: They pick a profession where they will be admired and
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Speaker 1: looked up to and have power over people. And who's
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Speaker 1: going to have more power over people than some kind
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Speaker 1: of a leader, whether it's maybe a religious leader, a
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Speaker 1: leader in the exercise world. I mean, I'm always shocked
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Speaker 1: when I opened the newspaper and I read about yoga
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Speaker 1: instructors who are having sex with their followers, who are grifters,
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Speaker 1: who are you know, ripping people off. I think that
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Speaker 1: there's certain professions that grifters um are drawn to because
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Speaker 1: that's where they can actually get to know people in
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Speaker 1: an intimate way where they can take advantage of them. Well,
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Speaker 1: one is dead at the bottom of a cliff, and
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Speaker 1: the trial has kicked off, and we are bringing you
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Speaker 1: the very latest out of that Hawaii courtroom. As a
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Speaker 1: matter of fact, take a lessen what's happening in court
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Speaker 1: that you went off and left, that there was no breaking,
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Speaker 1: two that there was hard acceleration, and three that there
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Speaker 1: was a hard left turn, three categories of evidence will
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Speaker 1: be presented to establish each of these three facts. And
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Speaker 1: one is the fiscal evidence on the road that shows
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Speaker 1: no breaking, shows a hard acceleration a hard left turn.
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Speaker 1: Two is the eye witness who saw it accelerating and
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Speaker 1: taking a jerk to the left off and clip. And
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Speaker 1: three is the data retrieved from the SUV crash data
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Speaker 1: recorder UH that indicated that the brakes were not used
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Speaker 1: and quantifies the acceleration and the turn. Therefore, when the
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Speaker 1: evidence is presented the stable after the court fine the
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Speaker 1: Back to a Hawaii courtroom where one gorgeous twins sistor
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Speaker 1: on trial in the death the Horrible Death. As a
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Speaker 1: matter of fact, I've her twin now their time in
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Speaker 1: Florida is an indicator. From two thousand eight to two
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Speaker 1: thousand fourteen, then named Alison and Anne ran twin Power
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Speaker 1: yoga studios in Palm Beach, known for being highly visible
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Speaker 1: with charismatic personalities. As a matter of fact, Chryl McCullum,
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Speaker 1: they even drove matching porsches. Okay, did you hear me?
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Speaker 1: Matching pors is? Okay, you can't, can't really miss that
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Speaker 1: in a small down. Then they latched onto a guru,
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Speaker 1: as Bethany was describing, a spiritual advisor that they met
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Speaker 1: at a Cabbalah center, and that's when everything seemed to
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Speaker 1: go wrong. They were pushed, according to them, into renting
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Speaker 1: a much more expensive space for a new studio to
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Speaker 1: support a reality show, and when the reality show didn't happen,
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Speaker 1: they were plunged into death. It okay, they were even
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Speaker 1: known around the area as the Terrible Twins of Yoga.
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Speaker 1: Then close to two thousand fifteen, they suddenly the yoga
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Speaker 1: uh devotees show up. It's shuttered, everybody's gone. The employees
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Speaker 1: didn't get their paid customers, who would already pay for memberships,
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Speaker 1: felt ripped off, ripped off, and angry, they had to
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Speaker 1: park city of Utah, changed their names to write a book.
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Speaker 1: Now they're Alexandria and Anastasia, and they go back and
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Speaker 1: open another yoga studio under different names. Both of them
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Speaker 1: heavily in debt while in Utah, disorderly and drunken conduct,
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Speaker 1: kicked out of a restaurant for drinking too much involved,
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Speaker 1: and yet another car crash where they fought with each
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Speaker 1: other and when the cops get there, they slide their
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Speaker 1: car into a ditch. Quote hair pull was also involved
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Speaker 1: to Dr Bethany Marshall and Cheryl McCollum joining me. This
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Speaker 1: is now the second of three times that I know
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Speaker 1: of did they get into a fight while driving. This
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Speaker 1: time they slide their car into a dish right in
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Speaker 1: front of the cops. Cheryl chump. Past behavior will be
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Speaker 1: a firm indicator on future behavior. These two almost have
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Speaker 1: a love hate relationship. And I believe the black box
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Speaker 1: in that car is gonna be all they really have
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Speaker 1: to look at to prove my theory of the murder suicide.
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Speaker 1: She was so angry she deliberately drove that car off
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Speaker 1: a cliff, even though she was not wearing a seat
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Speaker 1: belt either. There is no way if you throw yourself
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Speaker 1: off a cliff two hundred feet down a ravine not
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Speaker 1: wearing a seat belt, that you know for sure only
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Speaker 1: your passenger is gonna die. She didn't care about her
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Speaker 1: own safety. That's how mad she was. Unbridled and uncontrolled. Anger.
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Speaker 1: Dr Bethany Marshall. I'm very familiar with the tank commandments,
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Speaker 1: but there's also the seven Deadly Sins, which I used
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Speaker 1: to love to quote the juries. One of them is anger. Well,
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Speaker 1: and what I keep thinking about is I listened to
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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCullum, I listened to you. Is what happens when
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Speaker 1: you have two twins with personality disorders who are disregulated.
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Speaker 1: They cannot control themselves. They're grandiose, as so many sociopaths are.
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Speaker 1: I don't know for a fact of faith or sociopaths,
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Speaker 1: but they seem to have that profile. Things are going
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Speaker 1: badly for them, their substance abusers, and they can't regulate
23:47
Speaker 1: their feelings towards each other, and then you have a
23:50
Speaker 1: build up. You know, you and I often talk about
23:53
Speaker 1: homicides rarely, stranger homicides are less frequent, and acquaintance homicides,
24:01
Speaker 1: and the reason for that is that it's in our
24:03
Speaker 1: most intimate relationships that we have feelings that could lead
24:08
Speaker 1: to homicide, like rage and be jealousy, betrayal, resentment. So
24:15
Speaker 1: I think this was just sort of a toxic build
24:18
Speaker 1: up between two people who could not regulate their emotions
24:23
Speaker 1: in terms of murder suicide maybe, or maybe two women
24:28
Speaker 1: who were fighting and pulling out each other's hair all
24:32
Speaker 1: the time. But they just happened to be in a
24:34
Speaker 1: car at this moment. They could have been blacked out drunk.
24:39
Speaker 1: You know, you never know. This is the third time.
24:42
Speaker 1: It's like third strawt. You're app They did it fifteen
24:45
Speaker 1: years ago on Sawgrass Expressway, all right, and the then
24:50
Speaker 1: boyfriend now married and got he got away from them
24:54
Speaker 1: here you know, Yeah, I was driving and they nearly
24:58
Speaker 1: ran him off the road. They and it happened again,
25:02
Speaker 1: and the police show up to the scene. I guess
25:05
Speaker 1: this was in Park City and just in time to
25:07
Speaker 1: see them slide that ran the car into a ditch.
25:11
Speaker 1: And they're still fighting and pulling hair and drunk. And
25:14
Speaker 1: these two have the ability to make hundreds of thousands
25:18
Speaker 1: of dollars, make DVDs right books have their own yoga studios.
25:23
Speaker 1: The potential reality show and instead they're wasting their lives
25:28
Speaker 1: getting drunk and having fights. But you know, that's a
25:31
Speaker 1: dynamic in a lot of relationships. The first time I
25:34
Speaker 1: knew anything about it was on Andy Mayberry and they
25:38
Speaker 1: would always be called Andy and Barney to this home
25:42
Speaker 1: on domestics where the husband and wife would just be
25:44
Speaker 1: horrible and fight to each other, fight at each other. Well,
25:48
Speaker 1: they got them in counseling, then they started taking it
25:51
Speaker 1: out on everybody in the community. So in the end
25:54
Speaker 1: they just told them to go back to their regular
25:55
Speaker 1: selves and let them go back to fighting with each
25:58
Speaker 1: other because they enjoyed it, because nobody else can stand
26:01
Speaker 1: and be around them. So maybe this is their dynamic,
26:05
Speaker 1: the the pattern over and over and over, getting drunk,
26:10
Speaker 1: fighting physically with each other, these two gorgeous twins, having
26:14
Speaker 1: a blowout, making up, and then doing it again, this
26:18
Speaker 1: time again in a car and ones that ends up dead. Bethany, Well,
26:22
Speaker 1: you know, Nancy, that is so insightful what you're talking about,
26:25
Speaker 1: because I have many patients in my practice who actually
26:28
Speaker 1: enjoy fighting because it's very stimulating. I mean, it's never boring,
26:34
Speaker 1: and you always have something to think about. You have
26:36
Speaker 1: somebody to hate, um, you have something to ruminate on,
26:40
Speaker 1: and your your life has just stirred up and in
26:42
Speaker 1: chaos all the time. And what I see with people
26:46
Speaker 1: who are we call it like ritualistic fighting, is that
26:50
Speaker 1: usually they have a lot of underlying feelings that are
26:53
Speaker 1: not metabolized. They really don't know, They don't know themselves.
26:57
Speaker 1: They can't regulate their emotions. So the blowouts, as you
27:01
Speaker 1: call it, is a way to kind of blow off steam.
27:04
Speaker 1: So what we would say is that there's a build
27:06
Speaker 1: up of feelings outside of awareness. That and because the
27:10
Speaker 1: feelings are outside of awareness, they cannot regulate those emotions.
27:15
Speaker 1: So they pick a fight and have a blowout so
27:18
Speaker 1: that they can they can take sort of the steam
27:20
Speaker 1: off or or get the air out, um, and then
27:23
Speaker 1: they go back to their their baseline functioning. And sometimes
27:28
Speaker 1: that can be only for a few minutes or a
27:29
Speaker 1: few hours, and then they have a build up of
27:31
Speaker 1: anxiety emotion and then then they have to pick a
27:34
Speaker 1: fight again. Or it could be as simple as these
27:37
Speaker 1: two are just addicts and they hate each other, and
27:40
Speaker 1: I think you know you have these I wouldn't say
27:42
Speaker 1: something because I'm actually a twin myself, and there's no
27:46
Speaker 1: one on this planet I feel more loyal to than
27:48
Speaker 1: my own twin sister, and I sort of know she lives.
27:51
Speaker 1: I'm in southern California, she's in northern California. I'm sort
27:55
Speaker 1: of connected to her. If she has a bad day,
27:56
Speaker 1: I feel it. Sometimes we have the same dreams, revery
28:00
Speaker 1: emotionally tethered to each other. I cannot imagine fighting with
28:06
Speaker 1: her in that way. It just so inexplicable to me.
28:11
Speaker 1: And so I think what's happening with these twins is
28:14
Speaker 1: that you have these two gorgeous women who are like
28:18
Speaker 1: Svengali guru con artists. Everybody looks up to them. They're
28:23
Speaker 1: grifters because they're beautiful and they have power over people.
28:27
Speaker 1: They believe their own bs. They so they run up
28:31
Speaker 1: credit cards, They they overextend themselves, and then they become
28:36
Speaker 1: substance abusers because they can't regulate their emotions and they
28:40
Speaker 1: starr Bethany sadly, having been on TV for so long,
28:44
Speaker 1: I have to talk in sound bites and if it
28:46
Speaker 1: goes over about twenty words, it's just, you know, I
28:50
Speaker 1: don't know what happens after that. But I think that
28:53
Speaker 1: you were saying about their talking about their pattern. And
28:58
Speaker 1: she couldn't be more ight, Cheryl McCullum, because this is
29:02
Speaker 1: the third time that we know they've got into a
29:05
Speaker 1: horrible fight, and this time one of them died. But
29:09
Speaker 1: one thing about this instance, Cheryl, is the sister drove
29:13
Speaker 1: through a rock wall to stop you know, accidents on
29:19
Speaker 1: the cliff there on on the Furthest Island in Hawaii.
29:24
Speaker 1: And not only that, there's been these charges were first dropped.
29:28
Speaker 1: A judge through them out and told the prosecutor, hey,
29:30
Speaker 1: if you want charges, go to a grand jury. And
29:32
Speaker 1: that's just what they did. Because witnesses say that the fight,
29:39
Speaker 1: the argument started before the acceleration. It wasn't during driving
29:47
Speaker 1: that the fight started. And then she plowed through a
29:51
Speaker 1: rock wall with her seatbelt on and the passenger not on.
29:58
Speaker 1: That's how this is. I I guess the theory of
30:01
Speaker 1: this is not like I go by a gun and
30:03
Speaker 1: then I sneak up on you as you're walking to
30:05
Speaker 1: your car and the parking didn't shoot you, which is
30:08
Speaker 1: premeditated intentional murder with malice forethought. This is more of
30:13
Speaker 1: a um um black heart and as it is called
30:18
Speaker 1: in the law, an abandoned and malignant heart. For instance,
30:23
Speaker 1: if I'm at a street fair and I suddenly get
30:27
Speaker 1: in my car and punch it, put the pedal to
30:30
Speaker 1: the metal at ninety m p h to drive through
30:32
Speaker 1: all the stalls, that is abandoned malignant heart. I have reckless,
30:39
Speaker 1: abandoned towards life. So if you take somebody off a cliff,
30:44
Speaker 1: that's you're driving the car, but still it's abandoned, malignant
30:48
Speaker 1: heart towards the other person, reckless disregard for their life.
30:52
Speaker 1: That's got to be the theory, no doubt. And they
30:55
Speaker 1: stop more than once. They would pull over, and they
30:59
Speaker 1: continue to physically fight. Witnesses saw it so at that
31:04
Speaker 1: point and as Asia said, it got out of the car,
31:08
Speaker 1: but she didn't. She continued to go. She would stop
31:11
Speaker 1: again and physically fight, continue to go, and then she
31:15
Speaker 1: accelerated and turned a hard left, never breaking through the
31:22
Speaker 1: rock wall down the ravine. Back to Scott Kimbler, Uh,
31:28
Speaker 1: that is when it's observed. The vehicle begins to accelerate again,
31:32
Speaker 1: nearly crashing into a boy Scout van, and you could
31:35
Speaker 1: hear one of them swearing at somebody else. There was anger,
31:41
Speaker 1: a rage going on in that car and then they
31:44
Speaker 1: accelerated again. Do I have the sequence of events correct? Scott, Yeah,
31:48
Speaker 1: So it seemed to be a argument that would um,
31:51
Speaker 1: as you say, accelerate not only in the car, but
31:54
Speaker 1: in the intensity of the argument. Yes, it was. It was.
31:58
Speaker 1: It was ongoing, caught a lot of people's attention. Um
32:01
Speaker 1: when it was stationary, people have recollection of them. You know,
32:09
Speaker 1: one thing, the other one needs a psychiatrist and then
32:12
Speaker 1: speeds off again. And this is this is just ongoing
32:17
Speaker 1: and escalating for some period of time. At this point, well,
32:20
Speaker 1: right now, everybody a court room is transfixed as one
32:24
Speaker 1: sister who survives the crash that killed her twin sister
32:29
Speaker 1: is on trial from murder. You've heard some of the
32:33
Speaker 1: prosecution opening statement. Listen to what the defense has to say.
32:39
Speaker 1: This case is a tragic accident, not murder. Car first
32:45
Speaker 1: impact and uh. Evidence from the vehicle will show that UH,
32:54
Speaker 1: and from the airbag control module will show when the
32:58
Speaker 1: car initially went through the dirt tournament went you on
33:00
Speaker 1: the driver's side, but that did not activate the airbags.
33:05
Speaker 1: That was what's going on from the defense side of
33:08
Speaker 1: the courtroom. Scott Kimbler, Is it true that the one
33:11
Speaker 1: sister on trial, Alexandria Duval, who has pled not guilty
33:16
Speaker 1: to second degree murderer in the death of her twin,
33:19
Speaker 1: Anastasia Duval. Is it true she waived a jury trial
33:23
Speaker 1: and she's being tried directly in front of a judge.
33:26
Speaker 1: It is Nancy, She actually did waive off a jury trial.
33:29
Speaker 1: It seems a bit odd when you're facing such a
33:32
Speaker 1: very serious church. But yes, she doesn't want a jury
33:35
Speaker 1: to decide on this. She's more than willing to just
33:40
Speaker 1: to do it with with just the judge. Interesting. Interesting
33:44
Speaker 1: to Cheryl McCollum, director of the Cold Case Research Institute.
33:47
Speaker 1: You know, I never I think there was only one
33:50
Speaker 1: time I agreed to go for an a bench trial
33:54
Speaker 1: as it is called. I always wanted a jury trial
33:59
Speaker 1: because you know, ever know what kind of wild hair
34:02
Speaker 1: some judge is going to get, you know, and leave
34:04
Speaker 1: it up to one. I did calmly agree to emence
34:08
Speaker 1: trial with the oldest woman in Fulton County ever charged
34:12
Speaker 1: with grand larceny. I went in front of Judge Alberson,
34:15
Speaker 1: God rest his soul. This old lady would had a
34:19
Speaker 1: boarding house, a big old house near George Baptist Hospital,
34:24
Speaker 1: and she would take in female nurses, and that worked.
34:28
Speaker 1: That worked for a couple of days. You know, nurses
34:30
Speaker 1: have long shifts. They come home, all their furniture be gone,
34:33
Speaker 1: and she'd be sitting on the front porch rocking. Well,
34:36
Speaker 1: she did this over and over and over. Nobody could
34:38
Speaker 1: ever prove she was the one that took the furniture
34:40
Speaker 1: and sold it. Okay, finally, you know, I brought her
34:44
Speaker 1: to trial. She got convicted at a bench trial. Well,
34:49
Speaker 1: let me tell you. She threw herself, this almost eighty
34:51
Speaker 1: year old lady grand larceny, threw herself on the ground screaming,
34:56
Speaker 1: Oh sweet Jesus, her wig flew off. She was just
34:59
Speaker 1: I'm you should have seen the spectacle. And I said,
35:04
Speaker 1: Ms Viella, get up off the ground. You are not
35:07
Speaker 1: having a heart attack. I'm recommending probation. She just jumped
35:11
Speaker 1: right up, and they took her out under her little
35:14
Speaker 1: armpits and dragged her out of the courtroom. And she
35:18
Speaker 1: even after a trial, making all the witnesses come in.
35:21
Speaker 1: All I wanted to do was to pay the people back.
35:24
Speaker 1: I didn't want the old thing to go to jail
35:26
Speaker 1: for Pete's sake. Well, there's a reason Cheryl people opt
35:31
Speaker 1: for a bench trial, and both the state and the
35:34
Speaker 1: defense have a right to a trial by jury. The
35:37
Speaker 1: defense can't call all the shots, but they agreed. I
35:40
Speaker 1: guess to a bench trial. What's the benefit. You don't
35:44
Speaker 1: think she's going to pull it over on this, Judge
35:47
Speaker 1: k Hill, do you? That's what she believes she can do.
35:50
Speaker 1: She's a con artist. She seems that good like her dad,
35:54
Speaker 1: and she's played him like a base settle for years.
35:58
Speaker 1: She gets her way, she's gonna look beautiful and pitiful
36:01
Speaker 1: at the same time. And oh, you can't get mad
36:04
Speaker 1: at me because I threw my own celf down the
36:07
Speaker 1: ravine too, and it's a real chain. He was the
36:09
Speaker 1: problem with the car or whatever life she comes up with.
36:12
Speaker 1: And you know, my sister grabbed this here and will
36:15
Speaker 1: it'll be some life. But Nancy, she firmly believed that
36:19
Speaker 1: she can con that man because she's done it for years,
36:22
Speaker 1: and she sure Lord didn't want a female. Well, this
36:25
Speaker 1: is what we know. The motive here would have been anger,
36:31
Speaker 1: and anger in addition to being one of the seven
36:33
Speaker 1: deadly sins is not a defense at trial. Are I
36:38
Speaker 1: on the courtroom? And now we had across the country
36:41
Speaker 1: to an almond farm and a frozen body. What could
36:47
Speaker 1: be more beucolic, more beautiful than a gorgeous almond farm
36:52
Speaker 1: in California, Peaceful, green, rolling hills, trees and trees and trees,
37:01
Speaker 1: you know. Sheryl McCollum, director of the Cold Case Institute.
37:04
Speaker 1: I remember investigating the Lacy Peterson murder and before her
37:10
Speaker 1: body had surfaced, along with that of an unborn child, Connor.
37:14
Speaker 1: I remember going to her neighborhood and just walking around,
37:17
Speaker 1: walked all the way to the end of her street,
37:21
Speaker 1: and somehow I came to I came to a dead
37:25
Speaker 1: end and there was a big wooden fence and it
37:29
Speaker 1: was crossed over with wooden boards. You were not supposed
37:34
Speaker 1: to go on the other side, but of course I
37:35
Speaker 1: went up to it and looked to see what was
37:37
Speaker 1: so crossed over, thinking could Lacy have gone back here?
37:41
Speaker 1: It was a beautiful um orchard. It was right there,
37:46
Speaker 1: starting in the middle of a neighborhood. Now, in this case,
37:51
Speaker 1: they weren't just growing almonds on the Arbuckle farm, because
37:58
Speaker 1: right now loved one are in shock. Two young moms
38:06
Speaker 1: found dead in the Arbuckle almond farm. Not only dead,
38:13
Speaker 1: thirty nine year old Kimberly Taylor and twenty five year
38:16
Speaker 1: old Jessica Mazac found on the Almond farm frozen frozen,
38:23
Speaker 1: stuffed inside a stand alone freezer. What I mean, Cheryl,
38:32
Speaker 1: that's not where you expect a dead body to pop up. No,
38:35
Speaker 1: it's about what we expect one that, Nancy, in this situation,
38:38
Speaker 1: you either have two women that came abong something that
38:42
Speaker 1: shouldn't have seen, or you've got the work of a
38:46
Speaker 1: serial killer. So what well it was that needs to
38:49
Speaker 1: do here, in my opinion, is keep virgin, keep looking
38:52
Speaker 1: in that field, keep looking in the orchard, keep looking
38:55
Speaker 1: in the lakes. There may be other missing people there
39:00
Speaker 1: on that farm. And also it does appear that maybe
39:04
Speaker 1: some marijuana was being grown there. And did they come
39:08
Speaker 1: upon that and where they silence? Yeah? I know, Sheryl
39:12
Speaker 1: that the big craze is legalization of marijuana, but I
39:15
Speaker 1: still say, nothing good is going to come of it. Um,
39:18
Speaker 1: this one mom, Kim had a little baby, Tyler Taylor,
39:24
Speaker 1: and then there's Jessica Mazac, also a young mom. One
39:29
Speaker 1: body Taylor stuffed inside a standalone freezer. The other Mazac
39:34
Speaker 1: had been disposed of, just tossed into a pond on
39:38
Speaker 1: the very same property. Joining me on this story, Scott Kimbler,
39:43
Speaker 1: Crime Stories, Investigative Reporter, Let's take it to the beginning. Okay,
39:47
Speaker 1: that's what we have here is last Thursday, we have
39:50
Speaker 1: a man who walks into a hospital in uh this
39:54
Speaker 1: this part of California with blood all over his clothing.
39:57
Speaker 1: And when the sheriff's officers speak to him about this um,
40:01
Speaker 1: they're then led to this almond farm where they find
40:04
Speaker 1: a residence there and the inside the residence is just
40:08
Speaker 1: all covered with blood and there looking around, and that
40:13
Speaker 1: is when they find the the one woman, the thirty
40:17
Speaker 1: nine year old, in a freezer there. And as they're
40:21
Speaker 1: investigating that death, they began to look around for another
40:26
Speaker 1: person that was associated with the residents, and they're searching
40:30
Speaker 1: the property. That is when they find the marijuana grow
40:33
Speaker 1: farm as you had mentioned earlier. And also they find
40:36
Speaker 1: they miss mazac in a pond at that location, so
40:41
Speaker 1: they go there for one reason looking around, but then
40:43
Speaker 1: when they get there they find a horde of other things.
40:46
Speaker 1: That's very gruesome scene, but also the two bodies, and
40:50
Speaker 1: that is exactly why so often people don't go to
40:54
Speaker 1: the hospital and they're injured in illegal activity. New details
40:58
Speaker 1: emerging now to women close friends found dead in a
41:02
Speaker 1: freezer and a pond at a Caloosa County almond farmed. Now,
41:07
Speaker 1: as Cheryl alluded, do we discover illegal pot also grown there?
41:13
Speaker 1: In Arbuckle, California? Investigators now releasing these new details about
41:17
Speaker 1: the two women whose bodies were found at an Arbuckle home.
41:21
Speaker 1: One man believed to have killed both. But are there
41:24
Speaker 1: more bodies? Why were they there? Alan? Do you? They
41:29
Speaker 1: are saying that they discover illegal pot being grown on
41:33
Speaker 1: the almond farm. But hasn't it been legalized in California? Yes,
41:37
Speaker 1: as of the last few weeks, you can buy recreational marijuana,
41:40
Speaker 1: but there's the problem with the growing of it. They're
41:43
Speaker 1: still doing illegal pot grows around the state that bypass
41:48
Speaker 1: all the taxes and everything else. So there's still that
41:50
Speaker 1: market for illegal marijuana and actually is growing because there's
41:56
Speaker 1: fewer penalties for it and they're not enforcing it as much.
41:58
Speaker 1: But yeah, they're still legal pot farms out there. Deputies respond,
42:03
Speaker 1: You're gonna always have illegal pot farms. And here's the reason.
42:08
Speaker 1: Just like wine is regulated by the government, so your
42:11
Speaker 1: wine is only gonna be nine percent alcohol. Marijuana is
42:16
Speaker 1: going to have the same problem. They regulate how much
42:18
Speaker 1: THHD is involved. So you're always going to have people
42:22
Speaker 1: that buy moonshine, for example. You're always gonna have people
42:25
Speaker 1: that won't marijuana that's not regulated. Yeah, you're right about that.
42:30
Speaker 1: Deputies respond to the home round four a m after
42:34
Speaker 1: one of the victim's roommates reports suspicious circumstances and that
42:39
Speaker 1: the women had disappeared. Deputies arrive at the home. They
42:43
Speaker 1: find tail are stuffed in a freezer. The freezer in
42:47
Speaker 1: a bedroom of an attached residence on the property, like
42:51
Speaker 1: I guess a pool house or a guesthouse. That led
42:54
Speaker 1: them to search the entire property, and that afternoon they
42:58
Speaker 1: find a dive team lines mazac another young mom submerged
43:03
Speaker 1: in a pond on the property. They of course find
43:06
Speaker 1: the illegal marijuana grow. They also find narcotics. Later the
43:11
Speaker 1: next day, they find out the owner had left the
43:15
Speaker 1: night before and checked into Caloosive Medical Center. He wouldn't
43:20
Speaker 1: say why he needed treatment. He was discharged. Then they
43:25
Speaker 1: found him and arrested him. The motive as of right
43:29
Speaker 1: now is unknown, but to Dr. Bethany Marshall, renowned psychoanalyst,
43:35
Speaker 1: joining me out of l A. Dr Bethany. I don't
43:39
Speaker 1: understand what kind of mind or constitution would freeze a
43:44
Speaker 1: young mom would put a young mom's dead body in
43:48
Speaker 1: a freezer. Not only that that the way he killed
43:52
Speaker 1: these women seemed to be such a violent attack. You
43:56
Speaker 1: know the fact that there was blood all over the
43:59
Speaker 1: inside of the resident sense um. It really implies to
44:02
Speaker 1: me it wasn't an act of sadism like we see
44:05
Speaker 1: with so many serial killers, where they want to, you know,
44:08
Speaker 1: strangle the woman and look in her eyes and and
44:10
Speaker 1: see her pain and suffering. But this was actually a
44:14
Speaker 1: rage attack of some sort. And you know, when I
44:17
Speaker 1: think of rage attacks, I think of methamphetamine. I think
44:21
Speaker 1: of somebody who may have some psychiatric disorder or has
44:24
Speaker 1: a vendetta against women in general. A horror discovery at
44:29
Speaker 1: a secret almond orchard where marijuana was also being grown,
44:34
Speaker 1: bodies of women stuffed in a fraser and tossed into
44:38
Speaker 1: a pond. These two young women, Kimberly Lion Taylor and
44:42
Speaker 1: Jessica Lynn Mazac, dead, one in a chest fraser, the
44:46
Speaker 1: other submerged in the pond out in the middle of
44:50
Speaker 1: a rural almond orchard in northern California. Now the same
44:55
Speaker 1: of a double murder. At the very least, who is
44:59
Speaker 1: this guy, Martin Christian Urkey, just forty nine years old,
45:05
Speaker 1: living there in that farming community of only about people,
45:09
Speaker 1: not too far from Sacramento. Both of these women were
45:14
Speaker 1: living on the property just to work to raise money
45:17
Speaker 1: to support their children. So why do you say a
45:22
Speaker 1: rage killing? Dr Bethany? Because of the blood all over
45:26
Speaker 1: the inside of the residents. That's why I say rage killing.
45:29
Speaker 1: There's sort of an overkill effect. I mean, you don't
45:33
Speaker 1: have to I'm trying to think of what led to
45:37
Speaker 1: blood all over the inside of the residents. I mean,
45:39
Speaker 1: did he lugend them, did he stab them repeatedly? What
45:43
Speaker 1: did he do? And whatever he did, it seems it
45:46
Speaker 1: would seem to be around the same time, right, because
45:49
Speaker 1: you know, presumably if one woman went missing and the
45:54
Speaker 1: other woman was still on the farm, she would know
45:56
Speaker 1: about it. So one went soon after the other. So
45:59
Speaker 1: I'm I'm thinking it's just because of the fact that
46:01
Speaker 1: there's blood all over the inside, and you know, I'm
46:05
Speaker 1: wondering with these two women being so vulnerable, being single,
46:08
Speaker 1: moms raising their children. I know that a lot of
46:11
Speaker 1: serial killers do target women who are vulnerable, and they
46:15
Speaker 1: would really fit that description. I noticed that one of
46:19
Speaker 1: the final posts by this guy, by the way, he
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Speaker 1: is completely fascinated with UFO conspiracy theories. Just to throw
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Speaker 1: in that fact, he says, the sky is falling. The
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Speaker 1: guy is falling. Did anyone see how close the moon is?
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Speaker 1: So I guess he thought, uh, Scott Kimber, that when
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Speaker 1: the moon appears to be big, it's actually closer to
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Speaker 1: the ear. Yes, that would appear to be his understanding.
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Speaker 1: And he also had a fascination with Native American culture
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Speaker 1: and as you said, a UFO conspiracy theory. So we
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Speaker 1: have a person here who's who is a bit out
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Speaker 1: of what you would consider the traditional norm. I love
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Speaker 1: the you put Scott Kilberg take or he was psychic.
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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to what the local sheriff said.
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Speaker 1: It's a box style freezer that would be in a garage.
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Speaker 1: They were currently known to be here at this at
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Speaker 1: this residence, staying on and off. It's going to be
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Speaker 1: hard on this community for a while. It's a small community. Um,
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Speaker 1: everybody knows everybody. But now take a listen to what
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Speaker 1: a close high school friend, John Garcia tells Fox forty
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Speaker 1: about his friend Marty Urkey. When he was a kid,
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Speaker 1: we all went to school together, rode the bus too.
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Speaker 1: You know, every day you think you know somebody and
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Speaker 1: you don't. And when the name came up, it didn't
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Speaker 1: really ring a bell. But then when I started thinking,
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Speaker 1: that can't be Marty Irkey, and yeah it was. Um
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Speaker 1: so they're blown away. Nobody, nobody. It's hard to believe,
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Speaker 1: you know, It's just they're they're blown away. We are
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Speaker 1: on the case as Justice unfoals Nancy Grace Crime Stories,
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Speaker 1: signing off goodbye friend in