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Carly Waddell: From Bachelor Nation to Country Music Sensation · Miss Understood with Rachel Uchitel

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Misunderstood. I'm Rachel. You could tell.
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Speaker 1: It's crazy to think the bachelor franchise has been on
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Speaker 1: the air for 20 years. It's totally insane, which with
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Speaker 1: the bachelorette, the bachelor in paradise, and now the golden bachelor,
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Speaker 1: which I was totally into. It's the franchise that became
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Speaker 1: a whole nation. Today, we have one of your all-time
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Speaker 1: favorites from the show, Carly Waddell. She first appeared on
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Speaker 1: Desiree's season of The Bachelorette when her own brother, Zach,
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Speaker 1: was one of the suitors, and producers liked her so
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Speaker 1: much that they invited her to participate herself. She was
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Speaker 1: then on Chris Soule's season.
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Speaker 2: Do you remember him? He was like the hottest.
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Speaker 1: Then Bachelor in Paradise, where we saw her get her
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Speaker 1: heart broke in And then the following season, we got
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Speaker 1: to see her fall in love, get engaged, and actually
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Speaker 1: marry the guy. The thing I love about having people
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Speaker 1: on the show that become famous from reality TV is
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Speaker 1: that everyone thinks that they know them, but you really
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Speaker 1: only know a small piece of who they are. And
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Speaker 1: I love to discover who they are outside of that image.
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Speaker 1: Carly comes from a really close family. She's always been
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Speaker 1: a performer. She even went to college for it and
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Speaker 1: got her start singing on a cruise ship way before
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Speaker 1: The Bachelor came into her life. I think one of
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Speaker 1: the reasons people fell in love with Carly in the
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Speaker 1: first place, me included, is because she doesn't take herself
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Speaker 1: too seriously. She opens up about her failures and her dreams.
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Speaker 1: And now she's going full steam ahead and making her
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Speaker 1: musical dreams in country music a reality. And this episode
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Speaker 1: is so fun and full of great girl talk. So
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Speaker 1: welcome Carly Waddell. Harley, welcome to misunderstood. I'm so happy.
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Speaker 2: To have you here.
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Speaker 3: So excited to be here. Can I just say something
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Speaker 3: real fast?
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Speaker 4: You like, how do you have a really good face
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Speaker 4: with a center part and a side part? Like, you know,
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Speaker 4: like you have like a side part and it looks
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Speaker 4: so good, but then you also look so good with
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Speaker 4: the center part.
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Speaker 2: Really? Oh, well, that's a really nice compliment. Thank you.
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Speaker 2: You're so funny.
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Speaker 3: I'm like, oh my gosh, look at her hair. It
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Speaker 3: looks amazing.
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Speaker 2: You're funny. Well, your hair looks amazing.
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Speaker 1: So I wanted to, listen, most of the shows I
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Speaker 1: feel like you do are bachelor centered because you're, you know,
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Speaker 1: people know you as somebody that was on the bachelor
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Speaker 1: part of.
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 2: Bachelor in Paradise.
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Speaker 1: My listeners are not necessarily, I mean, of course, they've
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Speaker 1: seen The Bachelor. They love The Bachelor, I'm sure, but
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Speaker 1: are not as familiar already.
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Speaker 2: Going into it.
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Speaker 1: So I'm going to ask you a lot of questions
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Speaker 1: that you may think are like, oh, this is so stupid.
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Speaker 2: But a lot of our listeners really.
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Speaker 1: Want to know stuff about what it's like to be
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Speaker 1: on that show, what it was like for you, all
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Speaker 1: the gossip that is kind of like things that you
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Speaker 1: might find tedious because this should be stuff we already know,
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Speaker 1: but we don't know.
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Speaker 4: I mean, I'm going to know a lot of information
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Speaker 4: most people don't know because I was there.
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Speaker 5: Right.
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Speaker 2: Exactly.
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Speaker 1: So but what's more important, though, is you are a
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Speaker 1: person before it and after it. So before you got
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Speaker 1: on the show, I want to I want people to
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Speaker 1: get to know who you were and I want to
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Speaker 1: know who you were before that. So tell me about
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Speaker 1: like where you grew up, what you were like as
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Speaker 1: a kid.
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Speaker 2: Oh, my gosh.
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Speaker 3: Well, I grew up in Dallas, Texas. Um, I have
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Speaker 3: two older brothers. Uh, I mean, we grew up very,
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Speaker 3: just like, I don't know, we lived in.
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Speaker 4: A neighborhood and played, you know, football on the street
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Speaker 4: and hockey, you know, I grew up singing karaoke in
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Speaker 4: the garage.
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Speaker 3: Um, we have a, I have a very tight family.
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Speaker 3: We're still really tight.
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Speaker 4: Um, even though only my parents live near me now,
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Speaker 4: my brothers live in one lives in Texas, one lives
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Speaker 4: in Florida, but, um.
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 3: I had a really great childhood. You know, some people
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Speaker 3: look back and they say, you know, gosh, I had
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Speaker 3: a lot of trauma and stuff.
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Speaker 4: And I don't, I didn't have that experience. You know,
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Speaker 4: I had things happen here and there, but I'm just
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Speaker 4: super lucky, honestly.
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Speaker 1: That's so nice. And did you always love music and singing?
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Speaker 4: Yes.
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Speaker 3: I started singing in musicals when I was like probably seven. Wow.
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Speaker 4: And I did like the musical theater route for a
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Speaker 4: long time and then got into writing country music and
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Speaker 4: then started doing country music.
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Speaker 3: And then I sang on cruise ships.
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Speaker 4: And then after cruise ships was actually the bachelor stuff.
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Speaker 4: But the only thing I've ever done to like make
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Speaker 4: money was like wait tables and sing.
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Speaker 1: So that's so amazing. Wait, tell me what it's like
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Speaker 1: to sing on a cruise ship. How did you even
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Speaker 1: get that job offer?
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Speaker 4: So I was singing in a show in Savannah, Georgia. Um,
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Speaker 4: and my best friend at the time who was also
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Speaker 4: in the show with me, she sang on cruise ships
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Speaker 4: for a while, um, while I was at college and
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Speaker 4: they offered her a job and she was like, I
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Speaker 4: can't do it cause I'm staying in the show. But, um,
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Speaker 4: I was just covering someone that was pregnant. And so
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Speaker 4: my time is about to be up and she's like,
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Speaker 4: you should take the job. And so I just made
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Speaker 4: a video, send it in. And I was hired like immediately, um,
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Speaker 4: But it was, I mean, I was, I'd never even
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Speaker 4: been on a cruise ship. So like, I don't know
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Speaker 4: what I was getting into. Normally with cruise ships, you
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Speaker 4: rehearse beforehand, like any show on land, and then you
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Speaker 4: go take.
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Speaker 3: It to the ship. And I was replacing somebody. So
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Speaker 3: I rehearsed on the ship and was in the show
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Speaker 3: within a week.
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Speaker 1: And is the show every night or like, do you
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Speaker 1: have to hang out with the guests?
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Speaker 2: Do you stay in your room?
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Speaker 1: Like what's it like for six months doing that?
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Speaker 4: Well, it depends on the ship, but the first ship
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Speaker 4: I was on, it had three shows. So you have like,
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Speaker 4: let's say the, um, you're on there for a week,
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Speaker 4: you know, some cruises are longer, but usually only rehearse
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Speaker 4: like three shows, but then you'll have like a cabaret
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Speaker 4: or some type of fun little show in between that
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Speaker 4: you do as well. But there's only like three usually
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Speaker 4: big main stage shows. Um, Um, and then you can,
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Speaker 4: you can do whatever you can't fraternize with the guests
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Speaker 4: they say, because.
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Speaker 3: Then you'll get fired.
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Speaker 4: Um, but there are definitely people that try, there was
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Speaker 4: a golf pro one time.
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Speaker 3: I remember that took this girl back to his room
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Speaker 3: and he was fired.
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Speaker 4: Like they just walked to his room, knocked on the
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Speaker 4: door and they're like, you're bye tomorrow.
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Speaker 1: But, um, so it's not like the love, it's not
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Speaker 1: like the love boat where you're meeting a new love
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Speaker 1: every week.
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Speaker 5: Oh yeah.
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Speaker 3: No, you definitely could. I always like ended up dating
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Speaker 3: somebody that was like a employee.
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Speaker 4: Like I dated a Russian figure skater for a while.
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Speaker 4: There was a, on my first ship, there was a, um,
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Speaker 4: ice rink and he was a figure skater.
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Speaker 3: He didn't speak any English, but we had fun.
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Speaker 2: We had a good time.
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Speaker 4: And then the next two ships I dated the same guy,
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Speaker 4: but no, it was, you know, there's lots of people
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Speaker 4: that sleep with other people and then there's people who don't.
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Speaker 4: And then, you know, there's people who just live it
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Speaker 4: up and the people who stay in their room. I mean,
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Speaker 4: I traveled like every time I could get off the ship,
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Speaker 4: which was pretty much always.
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Speaker 3: I could, they treat singers very well.
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Speaker 2: Right, right. And people probably love you anyways.
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Speaker 3: Oh, yeah. You're like the celebrity of the ship.
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Speaker 2: Right, exactly.
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Speaker 1: All right, so tell us, you know, I don't know
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Speaker 1: if a lot of people know this, but you didn't apply.
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Speaker 1: Most people have to apply to be on The Bachelorette
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Speaker 1: or on The Bachelor. You fell into it because of
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Speaker 1: your brother.
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Speaker 2: Talk to us about that.
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Speaker 4: So my last cruise ship, when I was on it,
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Speaker 4: my brother went on The Bachelorette. And, uh, so I
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Speaker 4: hadn't seen him in nine months.
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Speaker 3: And cause my last Christmas so long.
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Speaker 4: And, um, so I got home and he was going
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Speaker 4: to hometown dates within like three days of getting home.
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Speaker 4: And so I was literally like fresh off the boat
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Speaker 4: and he walked in and it was like, so exciting. Um,
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Speaker 4: And my, they asked my mom to like interview the bachelorette.
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Speaker 4: Cause they were like, well, we think that she like,
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Speaker 4: doesn't really, she likes them as a friend and somebody
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Speaker 4: needs to talk to her kind of harshly about this.
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Speaker 3: And my mom's like, so scared. She's like, I'm not
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Speaker 3: going to do it. I'm not going to do it.
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Speaker 3: And I was like, I don't know, put me in coach.
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Speaker 3: I'll do it.
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Speaker 2: I don't care.
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Speaker 3: And so then they, I think they just, I don't know.
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Speaker 4: I feel like the executive producer at that time was
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Speaker 4: this guy named Alon Gale. And he just, I think,
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Speaker 4: loved my spirit and my gumption, I guess. And so
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Speaker 4: when my brother got kicked off, which was right after
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Speaker 4: they met us.
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Speaker 2: Terrible.
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Speaker 3: It's so terrible. We got him kicked off. But anyway,
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Speaker 3: then he was like, would you ever want to do
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Speaker 3: the show? Yeah. And the next person to be The
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Speaker 3: Bachelor was Juan Pablo.
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Speaker 6: And he was like, Being a student is expensive.
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Speaker 5: Rent, books, your morning coffee, your mid-morning coffee, your I'm
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Speaker 4: My brother's best friend on the show and Juan Pablo
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Speaker 4: and I, we just don't get along.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 3: And so I was like, no, I'm not doing it.
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Speaker 2: Wait, why don't we get along?
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Speaker 3: I don't know. He's just like, you know those people
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Speaker 3: in life that you just butt heads? Yeah.
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Speaker 4: I felt like he was like, the brother that I
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Speaker 4: never had that I butted heads with all the time
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Speaker 4: because he was like around quite a bit.
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Speaker 3: I'm always hanging out.
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Speaker 4: With, you know, my brother Zach. And I don't know,
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Speaker 4: he just always had something to say. And I was like,
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Speaker 4: I don't need your opinions. Like, I don't need your opinions.
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Speaker 1: But I was like, at this point, at this point,
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Speaker 1: had your brother said, this was such a fun experience.
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Speaker 2: I loved it. You should offer it to you.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. He was like, absolutely. You should do it. You're
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Speaker 3: not going to get another chance. I was like, watch me.
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Speaker 4: And my brothers, both of them, they were really mad
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Speaker 4: because they truly thought like this was it.
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Speaker 2: And then, um, but did.
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Speaker 1: They want it for you because they wanted you to
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Speaker 1: find love or they wanted you to become famous?
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Speaker 4: Honestly, I think my brothers wanted it for exposure and
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Speaker 4: for me, but I didn't, I was like, I don't
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Speaker 4: like him and I don't want to date him.
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Speaker 3: Why would I do that? That is so dumb.
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Speaker 4: And honestly, one of the huge reasons I left cruise
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Speaker 4: ships was because it was I was so lonely and
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Speaker 4: I was like, I'm going to get stuck doing this.
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Speaker 4: And I'm going to be 45 years old, single, still
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Speaker 4: singing cruise ships.
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Speaker 3: Like I want a family. I want a husband. I
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Speaker 3: want a boyfriend. I want some, a life. Yeah.
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Speaker 4: And so, um, then, uh, they were like, well, if
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Speaker 4: you ever, if there's ever a bachelor that like gets
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Speaker 4: announced that you would want to date, let us know.
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Speaker 3: And so Chris souls was.
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Speaker 4: Announced on good morning America. And immediately I texted the
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Speaker 4: producer a lot. And I was like, please let me on.
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Speaker 4: I want to date him.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, so wait, let me understand this.
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Speaker 1: So once he's announced, they haven't actually picked the girls
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Speaker 1: yet that are going to film.
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Speaker 4: There's a lot of girls that have been picked, but
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Speaker 4: in this scenario, me and actually, which is crazy, my
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Speaker 4: best friend from the show, Jade, we were the last
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Speaker 4: two picked and it was after he had already been announced.
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Speaker 3: So they have like, I think most people chosen. And
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Speaker 3: then there's a few stragglers that come along at the end. Right.
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Speaker 1: So if they had announced that Chris souls was going
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Speaker 1: to be a bachelor and they had talked to me
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Speaker 1: about doing the, being one of the girls, I would
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Speaker 1: have been like, hi, I'm over here. He, in my opinion,
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Speaker 1: he was and remains the hottest bachelor.
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Speaker 4: I will say, I agree with you on the physical part.
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Speaker 4: I just, he was hard for me to talk to
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Speaker 4: and I can kind of talk to anybody. And he
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Speaker 4: was like, he was, it was hard to like pull
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Speaker 4: things out of him.
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Speaker 3: Like we were friends. We were like homies. We weren't
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Speaker 3: like good.
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Speaker 2: There was no sexual chemistry.
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Speaker 3: No.
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Speaker 4: And they tried, they put me on like this sex
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Speaker 4: date with them. And then they tried to get us
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Speaker 4: naked and all these things. And I was like, no,
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Speaker 4: this is so weird.
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Speaker 2: Oh my God.
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Speaker 2: Wait a minute.
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Speaker 1: So now tell us what it's like to be on
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Speaker 1: that with all these girls and you're all vying for
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Speaker 1: the same guy. How does that really work? I mean,
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Speaker 1: are you hating the girls, loving them? Is it, are
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Speaker 1: you never seeing Chris? You're only seeing him once in
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Speaker 1: a while. Like explain the whole thing.
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Speaker 3: Okay. So it starts out.
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Speaker 4: And you're honestly, I feel like you're just trying to
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Speaker 4: kind of find your people at first, or there's people
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Speaker 4: that just focus solely on the bachelor, right?
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Speaker 3: They're like, I don't need friends. I'm here for this,
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Speaker 3: which is fine.
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Speaker 1: And is there a certain strategy for either airtime or
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Speaker 1: to get time with him?
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Speaker 4: Like my strategy coming on was because I always get
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Speaker 4: nervous about not even on regular dates.
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Speaker 3: I'm like, what am I going to talk about? So
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Speaker 3: I kind of like plan out what I'm going to say,
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Speaker 3: some questions in my head. So I came with like, props.
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Speaker 4: Like I came with, um, different items that I would
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Speaker 4: take into, into our time together. And like, uh, so
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Speaker 4: that we'd have something to talk about. Like I brought
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Speaker 4: the first thing I did for the first night was
16:47
Speaker 4: I brought one of those, um, fortune teller things that
16:49
Speaker 4: you like do this.
16:50
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. Yeah.
16:51
Speaker 4: Had like a question on it, which I don't even
16:54
Speaker 4: create conversation.
16:55
Speaker 5: Yeah.
16:56
Speaker 3: But then the next year they use that idea. And
16:58
Speaker 3: I was like, rude. That was my idea. Um, But
17:02
Speaker 3: take credit.
17:03
Speaker 4: But I brought little things or I would come up
17:06
Speaker 4: with like questions or whatever before going into my time. But,
17:12
Speaker 4: you know, lots of girls just, you know, went up
17:15
Speaker 4: and talked to him and that was cool. That's what
17:18
Speaker 4: you're supposed to do probably. But, you know, you don't
17:21
Speaker 4: see him very often. You see him if there's like
17:24
Speaker 4: a group date. But again, it's like, you know, weird things.
17:29
Speaker 4: you get a few seconds of his time, unless you have,
17:32
Speaker 4: you know, those one-on-one dates. And even with the one-on-one.
17:35
Speaker 3: Day, you usually have an activity and then you have
17:37
Speaker 3: like a dinner. So the activity probably lasts.
17:41
Speaker 2: Like an hour.
17:42
Speaker 3: You don't drive in the same car to the activity.
17:45
Speaker 3: You're separate. Sometimes you drive back together, but not most
17:50
Speaker 3: of the times you're usually pretty separate unless you're on.
17:53
Speaker 1: A camera and do you feel like it took you
17:55
Speaker 1: a while to realize that there wasn't a lot of
17:58
Speaker 1: chemistry between you two or you knew immediately from just
18:01
Speaker 1: watching how he interacted with people I think I.
18:07
Speaker 4: With me I think that I knew there wasn't a
18:11
Speaker 4: lot of chemistry like I think it was like our
18:17
Speaker 4: first group date. When I talked to him a few
18:19
Speaker 4: times at the mansion, I was like, Oh, he's so attractive. Like, yeah,
18:23
Speaker 4: this could work or whatever.
18:25
Speaker 3: I can make it work. I can make it work.
18:28
Speaker 4: But again, like back then I was really like, I
18:31
Speaker 4: hadn't dated anybody in a long time. My, my boyfriend
18:36
Speaker 4: that was like on two cruise ships with me, like
18:39
Speaker 4: in the middle of like dating him, like stopped wanting
18:42
Speaker 4: to have sex with me, which was like really fucked
18:44
Speaker 4: with my brain. And like, it was just there.
18:46
Speaker 3: I was like in a really weird, like not feeling
18:49
Speaker 3: sexy about myself. Yeah.
18:52
Speaker 4: So I think I also kind of got myself into
18:54
Speaker 4: friend zone really easily because I wasn't like rooted with
18:59
Speaker 4: my vagina, you know, like, and so, um, really.
19:05
Speaker 3: I think a couple, like, I don't know, a couple
19:08
Speaker 3: of dates.
19:08
Speaker 4: And I was kind of like, Hmm, this is kind
19:12
Speaker 4: of not going well like i just i.
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Speaker 4: I could just tell it was like kind of hard
19:46
Speaker 4: to talk to him and we were kind of getting
19:48
Speaker 4: more in like friend zone. And then our dinner we had,
19:51
Speaker 4: I felt like maybe it could go somewhere. But then,
19:54
Speaker 4: I don't know, by the end I was like, I
19:57
Speaker 4: could see him having like really strong connections with other people.
20:00
Speaker 3: And it honestly didn't really bother me.
20:02
Speaker 2: Yeah.
20:03
Speaker 3: So if it doesn't bother you, that probably means that's
20:06
Speaker 3: not your person.
20:07
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably.
20:08
Speaker 4: Because lots of girls would really upset them. They're like,
20:11
Speaker 4: we just had this amazing date. Now he's going out
20:13
Speaker 4: with this girl. And like, it just breaks my heart.
20:15
Speaker 4: And I wasn't feeling like that.
20:17
Speaker 2: Yeah.
20:18
Speaker 1: So I've always wondered how, how that editing goes, or
20:21
Speaker 1: if you feel like it's true, like as you see
20:23
Speaker 1: it unfold, even in episode one, two, three early on,
20:27
Speaker 1: people are saying, oh yeah, I could definitely fall in love.
20:29
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
20:30
Speaker 1: There's, you know, multiple people I could fall in love with.
20:31
Speaker 1: And then all the way to the end, you know,
20:33
Speaker 1: you string along too. And then you pick, do you
20:36
Speaker 1: believe that that's really true? Like, do you think you
20:39
Speaker 1: could be in love with two people and not know
20:41
Speaker 1: until that very last moment?
20:42
Speaker 3: You know, I think about that often because it's been happening.
20:46
Speaker 3: I feel like more lately. Yeah. I don't, I don't,
20:50
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know the answer to that.
20:53
Speaker 4: I think, I think with the girls, like when they're
20:57
Speaker 4: the bachelorette, I do think there's something about like almost
21:01
Speaker 4: like a loyalty they feel for the first person they like.
21:04
Speaker 4: And usually that first person goes really far with guys.
21:08
Speaker 4: Sometimes it's like super up.
21:10
Speaker 2: In the air.
21:11
Speaker 3: But I don't know.
21:12
Speaker 1: I mean, Like, did you watch the golden bachelor where
21:16
Speaker 1: it's still played out the same way?
21:19
Speaker 3: I know, but that's what I was thinking. I haven't
21:21
Speaker 3: said that to somebody else. I was like, you know,
21:22
Speaker 3: it's crazy.
21:23
Speaker 4: I feel like I was watching what I've seen happen
21:27
Speaker 4: so often with the women that he felt some sort
21:30
Speaker 4: of loyalty and he liked her first.
21:33
Speaker 3: And then I was like, well, I already like her.
21:34
Speaker 5: Like, right.
21:36
Speaker 3: Am I allowed to like these other people? I feel
21:37
Speaker 3: bad now because I like her. So I don't know.
21:40
Speaker 3: But I don't know. I mean, I dated like two
21:42
Speaker 3: people at the same time in college. I did get caught.
21:45
Speaker 3: I wasn't good. But I liked both of them.
21:49
Speaker 2: That's kind of called cheating. If one person thinks you're
21:53
Speaker 2: dating them.
21:53
Speaker 3: We were not exclusive. Yeah.
21:55
Speaker 2: But like on a show, you know, it's a little
21:58
Speaker 2: bit of a joke. Yeah. I don't know.
22:00
Speaker 7: That's funny.
22:01
Speaker 4: I feel like you probably do like both people in
22:04
Speaker 4: so many different ways. They probably make you feel really
22:07
Speaker 4: good about yourself in different ways, too.
22:10
Speaker 3: And then, I don't know, I feel like, I don't
22:12
Speaker 3: know that the love thing is possible.
22:15
Speaker 4: Even when, you know, I look back on when I
22:18
Speaker 4: was on Bachelor in Paradise and got engaged and I
22:20
Speaker 4: was saying, I love you already.
22:22
Speaker 3: That actually wasn't love. That was something else. That was
22:25
Speaker 3: I like you or I lust for you or whatever.
22:28
Speaker 3: But I don't know that the love component is there
22:31
Speaker 3: until you really, really know them after the show.
22:34
Speaker 2: Yeah. So talk about that.
22:35
Speaker 1: You were on Bachelor in Paradise twice. You did not
22:37
Speaker 1: have a great first season, correct?
22:39
Speaker 3: No. No. That did not go well for me.
22:42
Speaker 2: Just fill people in for a second on what happened there.
22:45
Speaker 4: So I like dated this guy from like the first,
22:48
Speaker 4: they call it the Sam. So we came down together
22:50
Speaker 4: on the first day and we were together through like
22:53
Speaker 4: the very last date that you're supposed to go out on.
22:57
Speaker 4: And Chris Harrison is like, okay, like everybody's going on
23:00
Speaker 4: their dates today.
23:01
Speaker 3: And then you'll figure out like what you want. And, um,
23:05
Speaker 3: And like, we were just.
23:06
Speaker 4: I was just sitting with this guy like at the
23:09
Speaker 4: pool right before Chris Harrison's like, okay, let's break apart
23:12
Speaker 4: and we'll come together and you'll go on your dates.
23:14
Speaker 4: And he was like, I'm so excited to take back
23:16
Speaker 4: to Minnesota. And like, this is going to be so fun, blah, blah, blah.
23:19
Speaker 4: So I wasn't thinking anything was wrong. And then he
23:22
Speaker 4: comes up to like, get me to go on our date.
23:26
Speaker 4: And he's looking kind of funny. And I was like,
23:27
Speaker 4: what are you gonna do?
23:28
Speaker 3: Break up with me? And I was joking. And then
23:29
Speaker 3: he did.
23:32
Speaker 2: But why? Why did he? You didn't see it coming, obviously. No,
23:36
Speaker 2: I mean... Did the viewers see it coming?
23:39
Speaker 3: No, nobody. I mean, you know, it's so weird, too,
23:41
Speaker 3: because when that happened, it started making... It made me almost, like,
23:46
Speaker 3: not trust The Bachelor process because I was like, did anybody... Like,
23:50
Speaker 3: did the producers know?
23:52
Speaker 4: And then, like, I'm the only one who didn't know,
23:57
Speaker 4: and my friends didn't, like... Because it was such a
24:00
Speaker 4: blind side and everyone was acting like they had no
24:05
Speaker 4: idea it was coming.
24:05
Speaker 3: And I just don't know that that was actually true.
24:08
Speaker 4: Because when I talked to him after the show, he
24:12
Speaker 4: said that there was a girl he was dating at
24:13
Speaker 4: home and they had like broken up. And then every
24:15
Speaker 4: time he'd get like further with me dating, he was
24:18
Speaker 4: just thinking about her. which I just wish he had
24:21
Speaker 4: told me that like maybe on the show, but whatever.
24:24
Speaker 2: Or maybe didn't do the show.
24:26
Speaker 3: Or didn't do the show at all.
24:28
Speaker 2: Right there. Yeah.
24:29
Speaker 3: But I don't know. I, yeah, I definitely didn't see
24:34
Speaker 3: it coming. And, and I didn't know how.
24:36
Speaker 4: To react to it because I really thought like, Oh,
24:39
Speaker 4: like everybody's trying to make me look like a fool.
24:41
Speaker 3: Yeah.
24:42
Speaker 5: Yeah.
24:44
Speaker 1: It is interesting because weddings in bachelor nation are, are
24:50
Speaker 1: not as common. I feel like as it used to be,
24:52
Speaker 1: but you guys got married on camera in front of
24:56
Speaker 1: the TV and you have a couple of friends that
24:57
Speaker 1: are married with kids still.
24:59
Speaker 2: Correct.
24:59
Speaker 5: Yes.
25:00
Speaker 2: Yeah.
25:00
Speaker 3: There, I mean, there's a lot of people that still,
25:02
Speaker 3: it really does work for people, you know?
25:04
Speaker 2: Yeah.
25:05
Speaker 3: I mean, you can meet anybody. You can meet people
25:08
Speaker 3: on the bachelor. You can meet them at the grocery store.
25:09
Speaker 3: You can meet them at school, you know, anywhere. Um, Um, so,
25:13
Speaker 3: and there's a lot of people in bachelor nation.
25:15
Speaker 4: It just obviously keeps growing and growing, um, because there's
25:18
Speaker 4: more shows and bachelor paradise, I feel like is actually
25:22
Speaker 4: a really easy place to meet people because there's so
25:26
Speaker 4: many people from different seasons and it's just a revolving
25:29
Speaker 4: door of people like coming in and out.
25:31
Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting.
25:32
Speaker 1: I mean, they've kind of already vetted them for you, right?
25:35
Speaker 1: You know, people know a little bit of their personality
25:37
Speaker 1: or history coming into it and they're all really good looking.
25:40
Speaker 1: So like you've narrowed it down, you know, to kind
25:43
Speaker 1: of the pool you want to be working with as
25:45
Speaker 1: opposed to going to a bar or wherever you're going
25:48
Speaker 1: to find someone or going on Bumble and not knowing
25:51
Speaker 1: who you're going to get or who they're going to be.
25:53
Speaker 3: Right.
25:54
Speaker 2: Um, so, you know, that is interesting.
25:57
Speaker 1: So what was it like to have your wedding on
26:00
Speaker 1: TV and that quickly, like, did it get sped up
26:03
Speaker 1: because they were filming it or were you like, yes,
26:06
Speaker 1: let's do this.
26:06
Speaker 2: I love you so much. I can't wait to start
26:08
Speaker 2: having kids.
26:09
Speaker 4: You know, it was interesting because he wanted, he wanted
26:13
Speaker 4: the wedding part on TV more than I did.
26:18
Speaker 3: It was his second marriage. So I kind of was like,
26:21
Speaker 3: why the big show in a way? Yeah. Cause I
26:26
Speaker 3: don't know. I never was one of those girls who
26:27
Speaker 3: like dreamed of my wedding. I just wasn't. So I.
26:32
Speaker 4: Thought it was great. I mean, they, you know, they
26:35
Speaker 4: asked me, you know, what, what dresses do you want
26:38
Speaker 4: and what, you know, food and what we're doing it
26:40
Speaker 4: at this venue.
26:41
Speaker 3: What do you want it to look like?
26:42
Speaker 2: And is it true that they pay for everything?
26:45
Speaker 3: They did. Yes.
26:47
Speaker 4: I did not get to keep my dress, but that's
26:49
Speaker 4: because it was like the first dress this designer had
26:52
Speaker 4: made of this particular style.
26:54
Speaker 3: So he wanted that back for sentimental reasons, which is fine.
26:59
Speaker 3: We got divorced. Doesn't matter anyway. But it was, you know,
27:06
Speaker 3: It was fine. I wouldn't have wanted to do that again.
27:10
Speaker 1: But could you invite family members or did you have
27:13
Speaker 1: to invite people from Bachelor Nation who you had never met?
27:16
Speaker 4: So there were definitely people from Bachelor Nation that I
27:19
Speaker 4: didn't know before.
27:21
Speaker 3: Well, actually, no, I think I knew everybody that was there.
27:24
Speaker 4: Uh, I knew them lots of people, you know, were
27:27
Speaker 4: from seasons that I was on or whatever. I did
27:30
Speaker 4: get to invite family, but we had like a limited
27:32
Speaker 4: amount of people that we could invite. So, you know,
27:35
Speaker 4: like when you invite like one cousin, then you have
27:37
Speaker 4: to invite like the mom and dad, and then it.
27:40
Speaker 3: Just keeps expanding. So I kept my circle very, very small.
27:44
Speaker 1: Um, and, um, was there anyone that came that you
27:48
Speaker 1: were so excited they were coming from like another season?
27:52
Speaker 4: Gosh, you know, honestly, the fact that Jade came was
27:56
Speaker 4: huge because she was super pregnant and Zika like was
28:00
Speaker 4: down in Mexico at that time.
28:03
Speaker 3: And so she was like, I'm not missing your wedding.
28:04
Speaker 3: So truly like when she walked in, I was like,
28:07
Speaker 3: I cannot believe you're here. And she had to be
28:09
Speaker 3: like super.
28:10
Speaker 4: Careful the whole time, but that I was just like, okay,
28:13
Speaker 4: like you're a really great friend.
28:15
Speaker 3: Like, I don't know if I would have done that.
28:17
Speaker 2: That's so nice. Did Chris souls make it to your wedding?
28:21
Speaker 3: No. Okay.
28:27
Speaker 2: So you're not still buddy, buddy with him. No, no.
28:31
Speaker 3: I think the last time I talked to him was,
28:35
Speaker 3: oh gosh, I'm trying to think.
28:38
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29:09
Speaker 3: It's been so long.
29:10
Speaker 2: Right, long enough that you don't remember.
29:11
Speaker 1: All right, so you had Chris Harrison officiate your wedding,
29:14
Speaker 1: which must have been super fun.
29:16
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was fun.
29:17
Speaker 2: And I assume you're still, are you close with him still?
29:21
Speaker 3: Oh gosh, you know, it's, I really kind of distanced
29:23
Speaker 3: myself from the bachelor world. I think after the divorce
29:28
Speaker 3: and stuff, I just kind of like took a step back,
29:30
Speaker 3: but also God, he, you know, he had to take
29:32
Speaker 3: a major step back, which I think is. Yeah.
29:35
Speaker 1: Well, I was going to ask you about that. When
29:36
Speaker 1: you heard about that, what were your thoughts? I mean, I, I,
29:40
Speaker 1: feel like you must have had some sort of a
29:41
Speaker 1: relationship where you trusted him like that.
29:43
Speaker 3: I just I don't know. It's so hard. Our cancel
29:46
Speaker 3: culture in this world right now is just you just have.
29:52
Speaker 4: It's almost like don't talk. And it's so frustrating because
29:57
Speaker 4: Chris Harrison is such a good guy. And I love
29:59
Speaker 4: Chris Harrison. And so like that it was just immediate,
30:03
Speaker 4: like you're done was very frustrating that like no one
30:08
Speaker 4: can have an opinion about anything anymore.
30:12
Speaker 3: And like, and I, I mean, I get where the.
30:15
Speaker 4: Public is coming from on the whole situation, but I
30:18
Speaker 4: don't know everything in cancel culture right now.
30:21
Speaker 3: It's just so frustrating. Yeah. It's even hard to.
30:23
Speaker 4: Just, you know, be a person that picks up, you know,
30:27
Speaker 4: your phone to talk to Instagram, you know, and all
30:30
Speaker 4: the people out there. Cause you're like, Oh God, what
30:32
Speaker 4: if I say something wrong?
30:33
Speaker 3: Like, it's just, it's hard. It's frustrating. Yeah.
30:36
Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting that, I mean, you're in a platform
30:39
Speaker 1: where you can say something and people can either misconstrue
30:41
Speaker 1: it or it can make news. Like I know recently
30:43
Speaker 1: you were on a podcast, you were talking about Lady
30:45
Speaker 1: Gaga and that kind of went viral about your thoughts
30:49
Speaker 1: about the fact that you didn't love her in college
30:52
Speaker 1: and people were like, wow.
30:54
Speaker 2: So what, you know, did that upset you or you
30:57
Speaker 2: were like, whatever?
30:58
Speaker 4: You know, it did because I didn't want people to
31:03
Speaker 4: take in the fact that I was like, I think
31:05
Speaker 4: she's a terrible human.
31:06
Speaker 2: No, and I listened to the podcast.
31:09
Speaker 1: You were saying what anyone else would say about someone
31:12
Speaker 1: they went to college with.
31:13
Speaker 2: And you flat out said.
31:14
Speaker 3: She's a genius. She's amazing right now. She truly is like...
31:19
Speaker 3: an absolute musical genius phenomenon human. She's also a, the
31:26
Speaker 3: acting that she does in these movies now is insane.
31:29
Speaker 3: Like she's so good. And she was so good back then.
31:32
Speaker 3: It was literally just like a.
31:35
Speaker 4: Moment in time that not just, I was like, okay,
31:39
Speaker 4: maybe like, either let's take turns singing or like, let's
31:45
Speaker 4: just like maybe have the lunchroom, like slightly quiet, like
31:48
Speaker 4: one day a week, you know?
31:49
Speaker 2: Right.
31:50
Speaker 3: And I, yeah.
31:51
Speaker 4: And it's just, it was, it just went so big
31:53
Speaker 4: and so viral and so many people were so mad.
31:56
Speaker 3: And I was like, I'm not saying I don't like
31:57
Speaker 3: her at all. Like I do like her.
32:00
Speaker 2: Or you weren't saying you wished she didn't become who
32:03
Speaker 2: she became. I mean, it really.
32:04
Speaker 3: She totally deserved to.
32:05
Speaker 2: She's incredible. Yeah.
32:07
Speaker 3: Right.
32:08
Speaker 1: But that is an example of, you know, how sometimes
32:10
Speaker 1: you have to watch what you say, because it gets,
32:12
Speaker 1: by the way, the headline ends up getting misconstrued because again,
32:15
Speaker 1: you didn't say anything that anyone else wouldn't have said.
32:19
Speaker 1: And it was kind of, it was funny to listen
32:20
Speaker 1: to and.
32:20
Speaker 2: Made her more relatable. You know what I mean? So like, yeah,
32:26
Speaker 2: she was annoying. Who cares? Like she can't be perfect
32:29
Speaker 2: all the time. Right.
32:31
Speaker 4: And honestly, the fact that she was like that probably,
32:35
Speaker 4: you know, That person she was at that moment made her.
32:41
Speaker 3: Who she is today. And why she's this big... star
32:46
Speaker 3: because she's like in people's faces being like, Hey, I'm great.
32:49
Speaker 3: And like, I wish I had more of that. Yeah.
32:52
Speaker 2: And she believed in herself enough. Yeah. Well, good for her.
32:57
Speaker 3: Yeah.
32:58
Speaker 2: So, okay.
33:00
Speaker 1: Did you feel, my last question on this was, did
33:02
Speaker 1: you feel pressure to find a bachelor couple, you know,
33:06
Speaker 1: to be part of that bachelor couple after three times
33:09
Speaker 1: now of being on the show? Kind of like, would you,
33:12
Speaker 1: did you really pick like, pick the person that became
33:15
Speaker 1: your husband and said, I love this guy. Even without
33:17
Speaker 1: the show, I would have been married to him.
33:19
Speaker 3: You know, it's funny. I remember when we were on
33:21
Speaker 3: a date, like when we got back and, um, I
33:25
Speaker 3: remember looking at him and being like, you know, even
33:28
Speaker 3: if I had met you in life, like you would
33:29
Speaker 3: have had me like, like I knew that he was,
33:33
Speaker 3: you know, he was the right person for me at
33:35
Speaker 3: that time. We had, you know, we had a lot
33:39
Speaker 3: of issues and, um, drama kind of even before we
33:43
Speaker 3: got married with just the circle of life.
33:48
Speaker 1: Um but by the way everyone does i mean yeah
33:52
Speaker 1: and so because it is on tv yeah.
33:54
Speaker 4: Um and so was it yeah was it perfect when
33:57
Speaker 4: we got married no was it perfect after we got
34:01
Speaker 4: married no did should we have gotten divorced yes um
34:07
Speaker 4: But I didn't ever feel pressured to like him because like,
34:12
Speaker 4: even on the show, like to, I didn't like him
34:15
Speaker 4: until I did.
34:16
Speaker 3: And no one was pressuring me to like him. They
34:18
Speaker 3: were like, do you like him or do you not
34:19
Speaker 3: like him today? And I was like, I don't know today.
34:21
Speaker 2: I don't know.
34:22
Speaker 3: You know, like, I mean, no one was like, oh
34:24
Speaker 3: my gosh, you should like this guy. They were all shocked.
34:27
Speaker 3: So was I.
34:28
Speaker 4: So, but then when, you know, when I, I always
34:32
Speaker 4: say it was like, it was like someone lifted the
34:34
Speaker 4: veil and then I saw him in this different light
34:36
Speaker 4: and that's the person.
34:37
Speaker 3: I fell in love with. Um, so yeah.
34:40
Speaker 4: I think I would have, even if we had been
34:43
Speaker 4: here and I met him out and we still.
34:45
Speaker 3: Had the same conversations that made me fall in love
34:47
Speaker 3: with them, I still would have.
34:48
Speaker 4: Yeah.
34:49
Speaker 2: Yeah.
34:50
Speaker 1: And I always like looking at it this way that like,
34:52
Speaker 1: you know, just because the marriage didn't last till you
34:54
Speaker 1: guys were in your eighties, you guys got two amazing
34:57
Speaker 1: kids out of it. You guys will always be in
34:59
Speaker 1: each other's lives. It just, you know, you don't have
35:01
Speaker 1: to be married to have been in each other's lives.
35:04
Speaker 1: And you have this history with each other, you know,
35:06
Speaker 1: where your kids can actually watch your first kiss on TV.
35:09
Speaker 3: Yeah. But you have.
35:11
Speaker 1: This whole support system of people that will, you know,
35:14
Speaker 1: always rally around you and him together and you guys separately.
35:18
Speaker 1: And nothing about it is a failure. So I learned
35:22
Speaker 1: that from what I've had to go through. But I
35:25
Speaker 1: think so many people have a hard time with that
35:26
Speaker 1: and grieve about it and can't get over a divorce because,
35:31
Speaker 1: you know, they think that it was a failure.
35:32
Speaker 2: But I shouldn't see it that way.
35:34
Speaker 3: My cat's coming over here. My cat is in a
35:36
Speaker 3: cone right now.
35:38
Speaker 2: Oh, did he just get neutered?
35:41
Speaker 3: He has like something wrong with his paw. So he
35:44
Speaker 3: has like a little cast on the back paw. And
35:47
Speaker 3: now this thing on Kazee keeps licking it.
35:51
Speaker 6: Oh, okay.
35:52
Speaker 2: I hope he's okay.
35:54
Speaker 1: Okay, so are you, do you have any predictions for
35:57
Speaker 1: this year's, for the new season of The Bachelor coming up?
36:00
Speaker 6: Gosh, I don't know.
36:01
Speaker 3: You know, I hadn't watched in so long, and The
36:03
Speaker 3: Golden Bachelor got me back in.
36:04
Speaker 2: The Golden Bachelor was pretty good.
36:07
Speaker 3: It was very good. Watching old people fall in love
36:10
Speaker 3: was one of my favorite things to do.
36:12
Speaker 2: Yeah, and gave me kind of inspiration, because I'm sick.
36:16
Speaker 7: Yeah.
36:19
Speaker 1: My daughter who's 11 was like mom you should try
36:22
Speaker 1: out for the next golden bachelor oh my gosh I'm
36:25
Speaker 1: like Wyatt I'm 48 I'm not she's like oh.
36:32
Speaker 2: Like you know.
36:37
Speaker 1: Yeah I'm hoping they create a mid-level bachelor bachelorette or
36:43
Speaker 1: I'm dying to be on love is blind Oh my gosh.
36:45
Speaker 3: That show is so good.
36:47
Speaker 2: It's so good. Would you ever do a show like that?
36:49
Speaker 3: Well, I have a boyfriend now, so no. Okay.
36:52
Speaker 2: Well, let's pretend he didn't exist.
36:54
Speaker 1: Would you do a show like that? We're like married
36:56
Speaker 1: at first sight. I love shows like that.
36:58
Speaker 3: Oh, I wouldn't do married at first sight. Um, only
37:02
Speaker 3: because I already had, you know, the one wedding or
37:06
Speaker 3: one marriage go.
37:07
Speaker 6: Right.
37:08
Speaker 4: And on TV, you know, the likelihood of that happening
37:11
Speaker 4: on that show again is high.
37:12
Speaker 5: Right.
37:13
Speaker 3: Yeah. Um, but I think like love is blind is fun. Yeah.
37:18
Speaker 3: Cause you really, truly are just like, what's going to happen?
37:21
Speaker 3: Like who is that?
37:22
Speaker 2: You know?
37:22
Speaker 3: Yeah.
37:23
Speaker 1: I think it's such a great concept. And I think
37:24
Speaker 1: a lot of it is similar to dating online. Well,
37:28
Speaker 1: with the exception that you could see the person's picture,
37:30
Speaker 1: but if you date online correctly, you can get to
37:33
Speaker 1: know somebody's personality before you meet them. And in person
37:38
Speaker 1: is when you know that you have physical chemistry, but
37:40
Speaker 1: like you know, sometimes they can hold a spoon wrong
37:44
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I can't do it.
37:46
Speaker 2: I just, I have the ick for this person.
37:49
Speaker 1: But before you meet someone, you can, you could tell
37:53
Speaker 1: if you have this chemistry, that's like, you can't, you know,
37:56
Speaker 1: you can't make it up. It's like they're attentive or
37:59
Speaker 1: it's something they get you, you get them.
38:01
Speaker 2: There's a.
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Speaker 2: Cadence and in the way that you guys same humor.
38:35
Speaker 3: Yeah.
38:35
Speaker 2: Yeah.
38:36
Speaker 1: So I, I do think that, that meeting someone, um,
38:41
Speaker 1: and becoming like friends with them first is, is the
38:44
Speaker 1: way to go.
38:45
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
38:46
Speaker 2: I think that that will work.
38:47
Speaker 3: Okay.
38:48
Speaker 2: Um, how is co-parenting going with you and your ex?
38:52
Speaker 3: You know, I have the kids most of the time.
38:54
Speaker 4: And so like, he'll pick them up.
38:56
Speaker 3: He has them every other weekend. He picks them up
38:58
Speaker 3: from school on Friday and takes them to school on
39:01
Speaker 3: Monday morning. I don't have to really interact too much.
39:06
Speaker 4: Um, we haven't had any, like, you know, things we
39:09
Speaker 4: really disagree with, with the children, you know, yet in life,
39:14
Speaker 4: they're very small.
39:15
Speaker 3: Um, so, um, you know, really it's fine.
39:20
Speaker 4: Like, do we, would I say like, I want to
39:22
Speaker 4: hang out with them and like, we get along really well.
39:24
Speaker 3: No, I wouldn't say that.
39:25
Speaker 4: But in regards to the children and co-parenting them, I
39:30
Speaker 4: think we're... We're doing it. We're doing a great job.
39:33
Speaker 4: The kids are very happy.
39:34
Speaker 2: Yeah.
39:35
Speaker 3: You know, they're thriving. That's all good.
39:39
Speaker 2: Right.
39:39
Speaker 1: And now since you've been off these shows, you have
39:43
Speaker 1: gotten into a new career or, you know, you've gotten
39:46
Speaker 1: back into a career and made it more serious.
39:49
Speaker 2: Let's talk about your music for a second.
39:50
Speaker 1: You just got back from being on tour with Nick Carter, correct?
39:54
Speaker 3: Yes.
39:55
Speaker 2: What was that like?
39:56
Speaker 3: It was incredible.
39:57
Speaker 2: Did you listen to all his music growing up?
40:00
Speaker 3: Oh yeah. I was a huge Backstreet Boy fan. Yeah.
40:02
Speaker 3: And like, did everybody have a crush on Nick Carter? Yes.
40:05
Speaker 3: Was he like my favorite?
40:07
Speaker 5: Yes.
40:08
Speaker 3: Like it was so.
40:08
Speaker 1: And by the way, when their music comes on the
40:10
Speaker 1: radio still, I'm like jamming out and turning up the volume.
40:14
Speaker 2: Like that's my jam. Absolutely.
40:16
Speaker 5: Yeah.
40:17
Speaker 4: Yeah.
40:17
Speaker 3: Um, it was, I mean, truly like. some of the
40:21
Speaker 3: best moments of my whole life. I.
40:23
Speaker 4: You know, I was putting music out this past year
40:27
Speaker 4: and I kind of was like.
40:28
Speaker 3: What am I doing? You know, like I spent all
40:30
Speaker 3: this money, like I did it all. Like I wrote
40:33
Speaker 3: with people, you know, like I put these music videos together.
40:37
Speaker 3: I did all these things and I was like, what's
40:38
Speaker 3: going to come of this? Am I too old to
40:40
Speaker 3: be doing this? Like, am I too mom to be
40:42
Speaker 3: doing this? You know? And I truly.
40:46
Speaker 4: Was just like putting it out and just kind of
40:49
Speaker 4: waiting for for the universe to say yes, you know?
40:53
Speaker 4: And then the Nick Carter tour came about really just because.
41:00
Speaker 3: My agent used to be like an agent within the
41:05
Speaker 3: family and Nick was singing in Nashville and he was
41:09
Speaker 3: looking for influencers to like, just help get the word out.
41:13
Speaker 3: And my agent was like, Hey, can Carly sing a
41:17
Speaker 3: few songs at the concert? And he was like, absolutely.
41:19
Speaker 4: And he was like, wait, all this stuff is so good.
41:21
Speaker 4: Does she want to go on tour with me next month?
41:23
Speaker 3: Like it literally happened in like 30 minutes. Wow. Brain explosion.
41:29
Speaker 4: But it was truly like, it was so great. I,
41:31
Speaker 4: the girl who played guitar with me is my old
41:34
Speaker 4: nanny who has become one of my best friends.
41:37
Speaker 3: Yeah.
41:38
Speaker 4: She's an artist in town. And, um, And she just
41:43
Speaker 4: started working for a different family. And before even her
41:46
Speaker 4: first day of work, I was like, hey, I'm going
41:48
Speaker 4: on tour with Nick Carter.
41:49
Speaker 3: Do you want to come play for me and then
41:52
Speaker 3: do background vocals? And she was like, yes. I hope
41:55
Speaker 3: I don't get fired. But no, she's like she's going
42:00
Speaker 3: on the next tour with me as well.
42:02
Speaker 4: But she's no, she's one of my best friends. And
42:04
Speaker 4: it was like so much fun just to even get
42:07
Speaker 4: my confidence back, like as a singer and as a
42:10
Speaker 4: person outside of motherhood, as a woman, as an entertainer,
42:14
Speaker 4: as a presence.
42:16
Speaker 3: Besides right you know just.
42:19
Speaker 1: This getting your groove back yeah yeah for sure so
42:23
Speaker 1: you needed that for sure um before we get into
42:26
Speaker 1: what you're gonna be doing this year talk to me
42:29
Speaker 1: you just brought up being an influencer I forgot like
42:31
Speaker 1: that's a huge part of your income right like oh
42:34
Speaker 1: yeah You have been doing so much of that. Talk
42:37
Speaker 1: to people about how you got into that. What it
42:40
Speaker 1: is you do. Like, I feel like that is so
42:42
Speaker 1: interesting for people that want to be doing it. And
42:45
Speaker 1: it's no longer like when I was younger. To be
42:48
Speaker 1: famous and get paid by a company to do anything,
42:51
Speaker 1: you had to have a real, you had to be someone,
42:55
Speaker 1: you had to, you know, have a background and be
42:57
Speaker 1: a credible person representing a product. Now influencers are really
43:01
Speaker 1: where it's at. I mean, if you have followers and
43:04
Speaker 1: you can, you know, talk about a product that can
43:06
Speaker 1: be relatable that you become a superstar.
43:09
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, for sure.
43:10
Speaker 4: Haven't, I mean, honestly, this has been my main income
43:15
Speaker 4: for probably seven years now. And I got into it
43:19
Speaker 4: really right after the bachelor. And I didn't even know
43:21
Speaker 4: it existed because when, when my brother went on the bachelor,
43:26
Speaker 4: social media was not a thing. And then when I
43:28
Speaker 4: went on, it started becoming a thing, but like making
43:32
Speaker 4: money from it, wasn't a thing yet. I think the
43:35
Speaker 4: first ad I ever did, maybe it was a fab
43:37
Speaker 4: fit fun box or like maybe diff eyewear or something.
43:41
Speaker 2: Right.
43:42
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean, The only things I do.
43:48
Speaker 4: Now are things I actually believe in. I wouldn't say
43:50
Speaker 4: that I've always been like that in the beginning. It
43:53
Speaker 4: was kind of just like, whoa, money's coming in. Let
43:55
Speaker 4: me talk about this or whatever. And there's definitely things
43:58
Speaker 4: that I.
43:58
Speaker 3: Said I would do. And then I was like, no,
44:00
Speaker 3: this is horrible. Like there's no way I'm ever putting
44:04
Speaker 3: an ad out there for this.
44:05
Speaker 2: Yeah.
44:06
Speaker 3: But, uh, you know, people that.
44:08
Speaker 1: Don't know how that works, they send you a product
44:11
Speaker 1: and you get to try it.
44:13
Speaker 3: Right.
44:13
Speaker 2: And then they pay you to talk about it.
44:16
Speaker 3: Yeah.
44:17
Speaker 2: Right.
44:18
Speaker 3: Right.
44:19
Speaker 1: Um, and is it usually a one shot thing or
44:21
Speaker 1: is it like advertisers on my podcast where they book
44:24
Speaker 1: for weeks at a time?
44:25
Speaker 3: It depends.
44:27
Speaker 4: Um, and also, um, Like, it could be like, hey,
44:30
Speaker 4: do you want to do three stories and a reel
44:33
Speaker 4: or something?
44:33
Speaker 3: And I'm like, yeah, cool.
44:35
Speaker 4: Or, you know, it's like, hey, do you want to
44:37
Speaker 4: do a story? And then it does really well. And
44:39
Speaker 4: then the company is like, hey, would you like to
44:41
Speaker 4: do another one next month?
44:42
Speaker 2: You know? Got it.
44:44
Speaker 4: So there's a lot of that going on. But, yeah,
44:48
Speaker 4: I mean, also, you know, it's so weird. Your life
44:50
Speaker 4: takes twists and turns.
44:52
Speaker 3: Yeah.
44:53
Speaker 4: You know, last year I was putting out a lot
44:55
Speaker 4: of music content. And so influencers, um, I wasn't like an,
45:01
Speaker 4: really an influencer anymore.
45:02
Speaker 3: I was kind of this other person. So, um, I
45:07
Speaker 3: think a lot of companies didn't really know what to
45:09
Speaker 3: do with that, you know, and that they kind of don't.
45:12
Speaker 4: So I'm trying to like manage, you know, influencer life
45:15
Speaker 4: of things that I, like, and I would like to promote,
45:18
Speaker 4: but also saying, Hey, I'm still, I'm still singing, you know?
45:22
Speaker 2: Yeah.
45:23
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
45:24
Speaker 1: Um, so you're going on tour with Nico moon this year. You're,
45:27
Speaker 1: are you doing just four of the shows?
45:30
Speaker 3: Yes.
45:31
Speaker 2: Are you so excited?
45:32
Speaker 1: We had a show a couple of weeks ago. He's
45:34
Speaker 1: like a ball of sunshine. You can't No.
45:37
Speaker 3: I just met him the first time yesterday. Yeah.
45:40
Speaker 2: So much fun.
45:41
Speaker 1: And by the way, his stories, I'm a huge country
45:43
Speaker 1: fan and the stories he told me the greatest story
45:45
Speaker 1: about how he wrote, keep me in mind with his
45:48
Speaker 1: two friends. And I just was like on the floor.
45:51
Speaker 1: I think he's like, so such a phenomenal songwriter. The
45:54
Speaker 1: people he knows is amazing. And then he's a great performer.
45:57
Speaker 3: Yes.
45:58
Speaker 2: Yeah.
45:58
Speaker 3: He has this like crazy energy that I think people
46:01
Speaker 3: you're just drawn to him because he like exudes light. Like, truly. Like,
46:07
Speaker 3: he walked in the room yesterday.
46:09
Speaker 4: We had, like, some promotional stuff we were doing at
46:12
Speaker 4: his recording space. And I'd never met him before. I'd, like,
46:16
Speaker 4: talked to him on FaceTime. But he walked in the
46:18
Speaker 4: room and I was like, whoa.
46:20
Speaker 3: It's like sunshine.
46:21
Speaker 2: It's wild.
46:23
Speaker 3: Even in all the snow, he is a ray of sunshine.
46:25
Speaker 3: But I'm so excited because.
46:28
Speaker 4: Um, he's his opener opener is red Farron, who is
46:31
Speaker 4: also huge right now.
46:34
Speaker 3: And this is the first tour that like, you know.
46:37
Speaker 4: Puts me in the country space because with Nick Carter, um,
46:43
Speaker 4: I mean, I sang country music. I did some pop
46:45
Speaker 4: stuff too, but, um, you know, his he's pop. And
46:49
Speaker 4: so it was, I think some of his audience wasn't
46:52
Speaker 4: quite sure what to do with me. Like, they're like, Oh,
46:54
Speaker 4: we like her. And she's like, you know, I talked
46:57
Speaker 4: a lot and, like I was funny and they liked
47:00
Speaker 4: the songs, but this is the, this is the audience
47:03
Speaker 4: that I need, you know, understand.
47:08
Speaker 2: Right.
47:08
Speaker 1: And then select, what do you perform? How do you
47:10
Speaker 1: pick what you're performing? Cause you're opening, right?
47:12
Speaker 2: You're not doing some collab with him.
47:14
Speaker 3: Right. I'm I'm doing, I have a 15 minute set.
47:18
Speaker 3: So with Nick Carter.
47:20
Speaker 2: I had a, what did I have?
47:21
Speaker 3: 40 minute set. Is that right? So 30 or 40 minutes. Um,
47:27
Speaker 3: it just happened.
47:27
Speaker 4: I can't even remember, but it's just, I mean, honestly,
47:31
Speaker 4: they're adding me to the billing. I think one, cause
47:33
Speaker 4: they believe in me and two, because I can, I'm
47:36
Speaker 4: a draw as well.
47:37
Speaker 3: Um, and I'm a girl, you.
47:41
Speaker 2: Know, but, um, but how does it work?
47:43
Speaker 1: Like, how do you pick what you're going to do
47:44
Speaker 1: in that 15 minutes to showcase yourself?
47:47
Speaker 3: I Really?
47:49
Speaker 4: Um, I'm doing, so I'm doing two of my like
47:52
Speaker 4: most upbeat songs. One of them hasn't been released yet.
47:55
Speaker 4: It's called drinking game, which is like a really fun
47:57
Speaker 4: song that I'm leaving people with. But, um, so I'm,
48:00
Speaker 4: I think the most important thing that I learned from
48:02
Speaker 4: the Nick Carter tour music wise, what people respond to
48:06
Speaker 4: is that you give them some of your stuff, but
48:08
Speaker 4: then you give them stuff that they really like and
48:11
Speaker 4: they know.
48:12
Speaker 3: And so then once they hear stuff, they know they're like, Ooh,
48:15
Speaker 3: I like you. And then they listen more to the
48:18
Speaker 3: stuff that they don't know. So I'm doing, um, my
48:22
Speaker 3: first single, your friends like me more.
48:23
Speaker 4: And then I'm doing a mashup of, um, cruel summer
48:27
Speaker 4: and heart, like a truck, like Taylor Swift and Lainey
48:29
Speaker 4: Wilson in the middle. Um, just to like get people
48:33
Speaker 4: like jamming and then my song drinking game at the end.
48:37
Speaker 4: And then I like to joke and be silly and
48:40
Speaker 4: in between them and connect to the audience just by talking.
48:43
Speaker 3: So, um, I think it's good, you know, it's like short,
48:47
Speaker 3: but it's short and sweet.
48:49
Speaker 4: And then I bought these, um, little bracelets and I'm
48:52
Speaker 4: going to throw out that have my name on them.
48:54
Speaker 4: And I'm going to try to meet people at the
48:55
Speaker 4: merch table and just honestly connect with the country audience
48:58
Speaker 4: that I haven't been able to connect to yet.
49:01
Speaker 2: Oh my God. That's so exciting.
49:02
Speaker 3: I'm so excited.
49:03
Speaker 2: I can't wait. Let's go.
49:04
Speaker 3: Let's go. I'm ready. Yeah.
49:06
Speaker 2: I can't wait to hear how it goes. So how
49:07
Speaker 2: does that work though?
49:08
Speaker 1: When you're on tour like that, will your ex take
49:11
Speaker 1: your kids for a week at a time or.
49:13
Speaker 4: So this is only the first shows are that I'm
49:18
Speaker 4: on are Thursday, Friday and then the next shows that
49:21
Speaker 4: I'm on are Friday, Saturday. So the weekend, the Tuesday, Thursday,
49:27
Speaker 4: my mom's just going to watch them, take them to school.
49:30
Speaker 4: And then I get back Saturday morning. So, and then
49:34
Speaker 4: the next weekend, he picks them up from school on Friday.
49:37
Speaker 4: So I'm just going to head out Friday morning. So yeah,
49:39
Speaker 4: with um the last tour because it was like 12
49:45
Speaker 4: days or something like that my mom took them for
49:49
Speaker 4: like half the time and my ex took them for
49:51
Speaker 4: like half the.
49:52
Speaker 1: Time got it okay so you're doing a little stint
49:54
Speaker 1: i imagined you on this like tour bus.
49:57
Speaker 4: For no i've been like driving oh my gosh so
50:02
Speaker 4: fun oh my god it's been so fun and even
50:06
Speaker 4: like um my, uh, the girl who's playing guitar, Sam, um,
50:11
Speaker 4: you know, we've been writing music on the road and
50:13
Speaker 4: all sorts of stuff. So it's just, it's just been
50:15
Speaker 4: fun and just like girl, girl bonding and, you know,
50:19
Speaker 4: having time away is, you know, yes, I'm a mom
50:22
Speaker 4: and I love my kids, but it is real nice
50:24
Speaker 4: having a break.
50:25
Speaker 2: Right. Exactly. I have a couple, I have a couple
50:28
Speaker 2: rapid fire questions.
50:30
Speaker 3: Okay. Yeah.
50:32
Speaker 2: Um, what was the first concert you ever went to?
50:36
Speaker 3: Uh, I think Leanne rhymes and Brian white.
50:39
Speaker 2: Ooh, good one. Um, what is your go-to karaoke song?
50:44
Speaker 3: Ooh, um, probably something to talk about.
50:47
Speaker 2: Good one.
50:48
Speaker 1: What are you watching on Netflix right now? Or a
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Speaker 1: streaming service doesn't have to be now.
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Speaker 3: What am I watching right now?
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Speaker 2: Oh gosh.
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Speaker 3: It's always like weird magic teenage shows. What did I just, Oh,
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Speaker 3: I'm watching the trail. Yeah, no, it's so weird. I
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Speaker 3: get really into dumb magic shows about like werewolves and vampires.
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Speaker 3: I don't know. Okay.
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Speaker 2: That's interesting. Okay. What did you say the name was?
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Speaker 3: The Travelers. I think I just watched The Order. I
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Speaker 3: think both of those are on.
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Speaker 2: Netflix right now. I don't know either one of those.
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Speaker 2: I'll have to look them up.
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Speaker 3: Well.
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Speaker 2: Maybe not.
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Speaker 1: Because my go-to, I just binged last night American Nightmare.
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Speaker 2: So obviously.
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Speaker 4: Well, I can't watch that when the kids are around.
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Speaker 4: So that's, I mean, I have them all the time.
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Speaker 4: So it's really hard to find time to.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Right. Do you know what I'm talking about though?
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Speaker 3: I saw it on there, but I'm sure it's like,
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Speaker 3: It's so good.
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Speaker 1: I watched all three episodes, you know, it was like
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Speaker 1: midnight and I'm like doing research on you. And I
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Speaker 1: look up and I'm like, Oh, let me just press
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Speaker 1: play for a second. I was up in the morning
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Speaker 1: watching this. And then this morning at 8.00 AM I'm doing,
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Speaker 1: I'm again, like dropping off my kid at school, coming back,
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Speaker 1: finishing my stuff with you. And I make, I kind
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Speaker 1: of Google who this journalist was, who, you know, was
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Speaker 1: featured throughout the whole thing. stalked him called the assignment
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Speaker 1: desk in San Francisco.
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Speaker 2: It's like five in the morning. His time spoke to
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Speaker 2: him and invited him on my show.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: So that's how excited.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. It's a great, um, it's a great show. You've
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Speaker 2: got to watch it. Not with the kids around. Um, uh,
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Speaker 2: now where am I here?
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Speaker 5: Okay.
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Speaker 1: So like, if you're alone in the car, what music
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Speaker 1: are you listening to these days?
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Speaker 4: I'm like, all we, I always have like the new
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Speaker 4: country playlist on just cause I really want to hear
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Speaker 4: like what's vibing out there.
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Speaker 3: Okay.
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Speaker 2: Who's your favorite country singer?
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Speaker 4: I mean, gosh, you know, what's crazy is like Maren
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Speaker 4: Morris is now going to pop world, but I like truly.
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Speaker 3: Love Maren Morris.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. She's really good. I like Luke Combs. Oh, I
52:47
Speaker 2: do too.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: He's such a good songwriter and everything.
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Speaker 3: There's so many good songwriters here in Nashville too.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. There's so many good ones.
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Speaker 3: Okay.
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Speaker 1: If you could do an ultimate girls trip like Bravo does,
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Speaker 1: but with the bachelor nation ladies, who would be, who
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Speaker 1: would be the five people on your trip?
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Speaker 3: Oh, gosh. Ashley I. Kennedy, Jade Roper, Whitney B. Schaaf,
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Speaker 3: probably Caitlin Bristow, and Julia Kenny.
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Speaker 2: Okay. Do you watch Bravo shows? I mean, no, not enough.
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Speaker 2: You're not into that stuff.
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Speaker 3: No, no, no.
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Speaker 1: Okay, your identity for a long time was connected to
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Speaker 1: something else, like Carly from The Bachelor or Carly and
53:31
Speaker 1: Evan from Bachelor in Paradise, Carly and Jade, Carly the
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Speaker 1: mom fluencer.
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Speaker 2: Now you're Carly, what else? Singer, songwriter, writer.
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Speaker 1: Do you feel like right now you're in the place
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Speaker 1: you should be and want to be?
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Speaker 2: I mean, I feel....
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Speaker 3: It's a scary place to be, truly, because it's new
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Speaker 3: and because I don't know where it's going.
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Speaker 2: Or like.
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Speaker 4: like even financially, I'm like, Oh gosh, like, was this
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Speaker 4: a bad decision? But in my soul, this is the
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Speaker 4: place that I know I'm supposed to be. So I
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Speaker 4: know that I'm in the right place because I feel
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Speaker 4: so at peace and I love, I love singing and
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Speaker 4: I love songwriting and I love standing in front of
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Speaker 4: people and connecting. And I think that's, that's my place.
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Speaker 6: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I just lost it for a while.
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Speaker 1: Is there something on your bucket list in the future that.
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Speaker 2: You want to be doing?
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Speaker 3: Oh, gosh.
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Speaker 4: I mean, really, I just want, like, I want a
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Speaker 4: song to get on the radio. That's, you know, bucket
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Speaker 4: list wise. Like, when one of my songs, which I
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Speaker 4: don't think I've written yet, but when that song hits
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Speaker 4: the country airplay, then.
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Speaker 1: That's gotta be the most amazing feeling have you ever
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Speaker 1: seen a movie that thing you do yes and remember
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Speaker 1: that moment where their song gets played yeah time that
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Speaker 1: is one of the best scenes in in movie history
54:58
Speaker 1: because they you know they exuberate this you know uh
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Speaker 1: or exude this you know happiness that you just know
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Speaker 1: that they are feeling it's like the greatest scene Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Um, okay.
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Speaker 1: And anything else we can expect from you this year
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Speaker 1: that we don't know about?
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Speaker 3: Um, hopefully I'm going to be putting out more singles
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Speaker 3: and just hopefully like a tour after this tour and just,
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Speaker 3: you know, more of stepping into this new, scary, but exhilarating,
55:28
Speaker 3: exciting space. Okay.
55:30
Speaker 1: Well, we wish you the best of luck. It was
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Speaker 1: such a pleasure meeting you. I hope I meet you
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Speaker 1: in real life soon.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 7: Same, same.
55:36
Speaker 3: Come to Nashville.
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Speaker 2: I will.
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