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  Speaker 2: It's Monday, September 14th, 2026, and this is Political Capital Daily.
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  Speaker 1: Good morning to you all on this Monday as we
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  Speaker 1: begin our first full political week.
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  Speaker 2: Last week was Labor Day.
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  Speaker 1: This week is a full agenda in BC politics, starting
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  Speaker 1: off with a busy Monday here, helping me break it down,
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  Speaker 1: as always, on Monday. Former Deputy Chief of Staff to
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  Speaker 1: Premier David Eby, Aileen Machel, is here.
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  Speaker 2: Good morning, Aileen.
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  Speaker 3: Good morning, Rob.
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  Speaker 1: We have a bunch of stuff starting off the political
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  Speaker 1: agenda today. in British Columbia, starting with the first quarter
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  Speaker 1: financial update with new finance minister, Josie Osborne. That's going
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  Speaker 1: to be around 1230 at the legislature. It is the
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  Speaker 1: first big event for minister Osborne as the minister of finance,
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  Speaker 1: a highly technical event.
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  Speaker 2: These first quarter updates, they're filled with.
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  Speaker 1: All sorts of officials and they go through basically to
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  Speaker 1: update the budget from February with the first four months
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  Speaker 1: of the fiscal year.
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  Speaker 2: First three months of the fiscal year, right? Because that
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  Speaker 2: would be quarterly. Listen, I'm a writer, not a mathematician, okay?
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  Speaker 1: So it's not the first of several mistakes in my
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  Speaker 1: first quarter financial update story. But what we're watching for
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  Speaker 1: out of this event is the recently admitted mistake by
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  Speaker 1: the BC government that it overestimated natural gas revenue forecasts.
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  Speaker 1: The cumulative effect of that being $ 1. 5 billion in overstated
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  Speaker 1: effects over five years or $ 306 million this current fiscal year.
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  Speaker 1: So that will be an interesting update to the budget.
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  Speaker 1: Had that been forecasted correctly in February, the deficit would
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  Speaker 1: not have been $ 13.
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  Speaker 2: 3 billion.
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  Speaker 1: It would have been $ 13.
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  Speaker 2: 6 billion.
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  Speaker 1: So is it worse now, plus the impacts of the
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  Speaker 1: trade war, the U.S. president, government's internal efficiencies? There's lots
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  Speaker 1: of threads that we're going to be looking for, Eileen,
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  Speaker 1: in this first quarter update.
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  Speaker 3: I think there are, you covered a couple of them.
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  Speaker 3: There are a few others that I think people should
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  Speaker 3: watch for in this quarterly update. So the first is
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  Speaker 3: tough wildfire season. So I think you will likely see
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  Speaker 3: the impacts of that reflected in Minister Osborne's update. You
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  Speaker 3: mentioned the trade war. This is a time of economic
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  Speaker 3: threats and upheaval. I think we've heard from British Columbians
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  Speaker 3: that it's not the time to pull back on the
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  Speaker 3: services people need. So expect the government will still be
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  Speaker 3: spending money to invest in a strong healthcare system, strong
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  Speaker 3: education services, childcare, all of those things that make for
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  Speaker 3: a more productive, stronger workforce when we need to protect jobs.
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  Speaker 3: I think we also saw at the end of August
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  Speaker 3: that BC lost fewer jobs compared to other large provinces.
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  Speaker 3: And we know that some sectors are more impacted because
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  Speaker 3: of the trade war, but I think BC is still
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  Speaker 3: in a decent place to weather the impacts of the
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  Speaker 3: trade war when compared to some other provinces. A couple
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  Speaker 3: other things, the housing market is always an interesting one
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  Speaker 3: to watch. It's cooled. We know that that has an
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  Speaker 3: impact on revenue because there's less property transfer tax money
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  Speaker 3: coming in. And then on the natural gas royalties, Minister
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  Speaker 3: Dix had also said the other week that there would
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  Speaker 3: be an update to the price forecast. So expect that
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  Speaker 3: that could.
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  Speaker 4: Have an impact.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, given that it's the three months of April, May, June,
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  Speaker 1: We don't see the full impact of these, you know,
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  Speaker 1: tariffs and counter tariffs that we've been talking about the
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  Speaker 1: last week. That'll be in, I guess, the second quarter
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  Speaker 1: and into the third quarter. But we will see the
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  Speaker 1: pressures of the global economy and all the things you
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  Speaker 1: just mentioned and an update on the deficit forecast.
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  Speaker 2: So a big event there from the finance minister.
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  Speaker 1: Also the big event happening today, UBCM, the Union BC
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  Speaker 1: Municipality's annual convention opening in Vancouver. It runs until Friday
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  Speaker 1: where it closes with the address from the Premier, as usual,
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  Speaker 1: kind of watching to see if the other political leaders
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  Speaker 1: all get time to speak, which is typically the way
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  Speaker 1: it is. But with the Peter Party and Centre BC,
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  Speaker 1: although it doesn't have any MLAs.
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  Speaker 2: There's lots of questions about other parties being able to
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  Speaker 2: speak at UBCM.
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  Speaker 1: And it's a municipal election year with voters going to
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  Speaker 1: the ballot October 17th, so there's a flavour going into
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  Speaker 1: this of intense election speculation.
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  Speaker 2: And electioneering all over the place. Aileen, I know you're
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  Speaker 2: going to be at UBCM.
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  Speaker 1: You might even be locking down some interviews for the
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  Speaker 1: show as a roving correspondent.
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  Speaker 2: So are you looking forward to that?
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  Speaker 4: Yes, I will.
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  Speaker 3: I will be there. I'll be out and about. It's
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  Speaker 3: always great to listen and check in with local leaders
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  Speaker 3: and the priorities that they're pushing for their communities. So
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  Speaker 3: please come say hello. And the nomination period did just
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  Speaker 3: close on Friday. So we know the candidates now for
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  Speaker 3: the local elections. I suspect some councillors may be skipping
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  Speaker 3: UBCM because they'll be staying back to campaign. And then
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  Speaker 3: always in election season, expect to see more pointed attacks
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  Speaker 3: on the provincial government because that's what local politicians do
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  Speaker 3: during these campaigns. I'm also interested to see the speech
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  Speaker 3: from Carrie Lynn Findlay, the official opposition leader. That is
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  Speaker 3: Thursday morning. It's like the worst possible time for a
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  Speaker 3: speech at UBCM. And so it's always a tough one
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  Speaker 3: for a leader.
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  Speaker 2: Because everyone's hungover? Is that what you mean?
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  Speaker 3: Well, people have spent, you know, four days or sorry,
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  Speaker 3: three days networking at that point. And so some folks
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  Speaker 3: are a little bit tired by Thursday morning for sure. And,
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  Speaker 3: you know, she'll be there. She'll be speaking according to
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  Speaker 3: the agenda. And it's been a pretty challenging time for
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  Speaker 3: her over the last couple of months. And she's also
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  Speaker 3: in the middle of a by-election. So it'll be interesting
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  Speaker 3: to see her speech and what she has to say.
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  Speaker 2: And I think 1BC will still get it. I don't know. Actually,
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  Speaker 2: I shouldn't say that.
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  Speaker 1: But last year, 1BC had a chance to speak, and
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  Speaker 1: the Greens, I would expect Peter Millibar gets something. But
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  Speaker 1: I guess we shall see. Lots of interesting panels and
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  Speaker 1: experts and different folks there as well. I know a
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  Speaker 1: shout-out to Northern Beat's Fran Yanner, a publication I help
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  Speaker 1: write for. She's moderating a panel on Indigenous reconciliation and
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  Speaker 1: some of the legal implications as well.
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  Speaker 2: So if you're going to UBCM, Look for that.
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  Speaker 1: Also, maybe, depending on when you hear this, it's possible
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  Speaker 1: there might be an update from the Peter party, the unnamed,
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  Speaker 1: still unnamed party this morning. Everyone buzzing about that. We'll
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  Speaker 1: talk some more about their latest MLA after the break.
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  Speaker 1: And the other agenda item on today... the Canada Investment
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  Speaker 1: Summit in Toronto, beginning with Prime Minister Mark Carney, the
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  Speaker 1: goal to try and catalyze a trillion dollars in investment
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  Speaker 1: across the country over the next five years. There's lots
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  Speaker 1: of BC projects highlighted in this, mining projects like Redcrisp,
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  Speaker 1: the Roberts Bank terminal expansion, the ports in Delta, part
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  Speaker 1: of the pipeline proposal, Solisums, LNG, things like that. And
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  Speaker 1: Premier David Eby expected there today and Tuesday to hold
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  Speaker 1: meetings with investors in Toronto. Aileen, the Premier jumping into
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  Speaker 1: a very sort of consequential event on the national political
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  Speaker 1: calendar to try and stump for BC's interests with all
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  Speaker 1: those players there in the big smoke.
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  Speaker 3: It's crucial at a really important time, right? And I
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  Speaker 3: talked last week on the show about how it's one
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  Speaker 3: thing for politicians to demonize Trump, which is highly effective politically.
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  Speaker 3: But the larger, more challenging problem, of course, is how
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  Speaker 3: do we set Canada up for success and strengthen our economy,
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  Speaker 3: ensure that we are less vulnerable to the United States.
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  Speaker 3: And so I think this is part of that important
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  Speaker 3: and challenging work as these premiers come together with the
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  Speaker 3: prime minister and try to get investment for the country.
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  Speaker 3: For BC, they've got 22 projects seeking $ 15 billion in
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  Speaker 3: funding on around $ 57 billion in projects. I think BC
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  Speaker 3: is different in that our province's projects are mostly shovel-ready
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  Speaker 3: in contrast with other provinces, because BC has been prioritizing
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  Speaker 3: the work on permits and Indigenous relations, allowing government and
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  Speaker 3: proponents to move faster. And so the priorities for EB
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  Speaker 3: are funding projects and building relationships for the long term
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  Speaker 3: with these investors. And that's all key to blunting the
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  Speaker 3: employment impacts of Trump's trade war. We want to keep
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  Speaker 3: people working, of course, in BC. And so I think
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  Speaker 3: that that is what you'll see from Premier Eby and
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  Speaker 3: the BC team at this summit.
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  Speaker 1: We'll see what the Premier has to say on the
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  Speaker 1: progress he made at that event to try and get
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  Speaker 1: him to chat a.
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  Speaker 2: Bit about it later this week. Okay, let's take a
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  Speaker 2: quick break. We've got some other items coming up right
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  Speaker 2: after this. We'll see you next time.
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  Speaker 2: Back to the show. I just want to bring up
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  Speaker 2: an item here that occurred on Friday.
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  Speaker 1: We'd already got the show out and into the world,
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  Speaker 1: so we'll loop back on it, which is Richmond Bridgeport
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  Speaker 1: MLA Teresa Watt joining the Peter Party, or the Peter
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  Speaker 1: Patton Party, the P3 Party, depending on... They've really got
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  Speaker 1: to get a name going here, because the Peter Party's
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  Speaker 1: going to stick if they wait too long, I think.
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  Speaker 1: Get the name out. Nonetheless, joining the Peter Party, giving
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  Speaker 1: it its sixth MLA... Now, as they head into mid-September,
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  Speaker 1: there are still a couple who have quit the Conservatives
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  Speaker 1: who have not yet joined, but the Vancouver Sun's Alec
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  Speaker 1: Lazenby reporting recently about a meeting at the Independent Contractors
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  Speaker 1: and Businesses Association in Surrey that brought basically almost all
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  Speaker 1: the MLAs who had quit the Conservatives together, showing that
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  Speaker 1: they're very much on.
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  Speaker 2: The same team.
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  Speaker 1: And interesting, Aileen, he also, in the story, which I
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  Speaker 1: encourage you to read, interviewed former Premier Christy Clark, who
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  Speaker 1: reiterated that splitting the center-right vote in BC is a
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  Speaker 1: recipe to re-elect the NDP, and that conservatives in BC,
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  Speaker 1: in her mind, are focusing too much on culture wars
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  Speaker 1: and not, as they did under her premiership and that
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  Speaker 1: of Gordon Campbell, be able to put aside their differences
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  Speaker 1: on social issues like LGBTQ rights and abortion and Indigenous
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  Speaker 1: reconciliation and just focus on the government's agenda and leave
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  Speaker 1: those differences socially and personally at the door.
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  Speaker 2: To focus on what the government's policies are. I'm not... First,
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  Speaker 2: she's totally right that that.
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  Speaker 1: Is what the Liberals were able to do, but I'm
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  Speaker 1: not sure that modern Conservatives, and especially the most vocal
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  Speaker 1: young Conservatives, really want that compromise in their party anymore,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't pick up that they want to stay
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  Speaker 1: silent on social issues. They consider them just as, if
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  Speaker 1: not more important, than economic issues, which is an interesting...
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  Speaker 1: internal schism we see playing out in BC and federally
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  Speaker 1: with the federal conservatives as well.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with you on that. And I think
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  Speaker 3: that the conservatives and the MLAs on the right, you know,
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  Speaker 3: they were also comfortable being in a caucus with people
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  Speaker 3: who were refusing to vote to denounce Trump when a
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  Speaker 3: motion was brought forward in the House. But I got
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  Speaker 3: to hand it to this group of MLAs who seem
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  Speaker 3: to really be able to embrace change and innovation and
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  Speaker 3: when it comes to their party names, right? Like some
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  Speaker 3: folks get really set in their ways, you know, they
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  Speaker 3: get attached to a party brand. But in three years,
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  Speaker 3: these folks went from being BC Liberal MLAs to BC
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  Speaker 3: United MLAs to BC Conservative MLAs to Independent MLAs. And
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  Speaker 3: then now they'll be part of this new party as MLAs,
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  Speaker 3: which may be called the Peter Party, or it could
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  Speaker 3: be the Peter Patton Party, P3 for short. But while
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  Speaker 3: their values, their right-wing values may not change, they certainly
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  Speaker 3: are comfortable with changing their names if they think it
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  Speaker 3: will help them get elected.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, to be fair to them, the history of
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  Speaker 1: British Columbia is a center-right province by far. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: the New Democrats have, in the history of the province,
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  Speaker 1: barely won any elections. So I think there's always been
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  Speaker 1: a kind of version of whatever that coalition is, but
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  Speaker 1: I just don't feel like the coalition holds as well
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  Speaker 1: anymore in this modern kind of era. So that's the
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  Speaker 1: real pressure that they're facing there. And in the great
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  Speaker 1: irony of changing the BC Liberal name to BC United
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  Speaker 1: at a time when Justin Trudeau had dragged the federal
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  Speaker 1: liberal brand into the ground and no one wanted to
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  Speaker 1: be mistakenly associated with the federal liberals, look at the
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  Speaker 1: latest polling numbers over the weekend and modeled out across
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  Speaker 1: the country from political watchers that the Federal Liberals under
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  Speaker 1: Mark Carney are on their way, if there was an
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  Speaker 1: election now, for just a crushing, massive supermajority, knocking the
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  Speaker 1: Federal Conservatives down to, I think it was like 79
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  Speaker 1: seats or something. Oh, the irony of abandoning the BC
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  Speaker 1: Liberal name to not be confused with the Federal Liberal brand.
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  Speaker 1: People would love to be confused with the Federal Liberal
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  Speaker 1: brand now, given how popular the Prime Minister is, so.
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  Speaker 2: Who knows? We did talk last week.
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  Speaker 1: About the idea of a group of former BC United
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  Speaker 1: members trying to seize control of the Liberal and United Party, but.
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  Speaker 2: No progress on that yet. One more item we should
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  Speaker 2: talk about, Aileen.
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  Speaker 1: It's not necessarily BC political, but it was, I think,
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  Speaker 1: the dominant issue possibly in the globe on the weekend,
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  Speaker 1: and that was the state of artificial intelligence across the world,
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  Speaker 1: the fate of humanity. if you will, with a declaration
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  Speaker 1: from the CEO of Anthropic saying that AI needs to
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  Speaker 1: be slowed in its growth due to safety risks that
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  Speaker 1: in just a few months, without precautions, that AI bots
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  Speaker 1: could literally choose on their own to bring the entire
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  Speaker 1: internet down if there aren't safeguards put into place. We
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  Speaker 1: saw Elon Musk of X and Sam Altman of OpenAI agreeing,
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  Speaker 1: try to warn of the catastrophe that may be looming.
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  Speaker 1: And then we saw the US President Donald Trump come
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  Speaker 1: out and say, ah, this These are negative forces who
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  Speaker 1: want to slow us down.
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  Speaker 2: We got to defeat China in this.
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  Speaker 1: AI race and basically kind of poo-pooing that idea. So.
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  Speaker 2: You're being reckless?
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  Speaker 3: You don't say.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. It was a weekend of kind of like existential
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  Speaker 1: terror in a way to read these heads of major
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  Speaker 1: AI companies say, actually, this is pretty like serious here and...
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  Speaker 1: Like humanity is at risk with the exponential growth of
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  Speaker 1: AI iterating upon itself and breaking out of its bounds
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  Speaker 1: to hack and bypass security guards.
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  Speaker 2: It was kind of frightening.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, these are really shocking developments, but also not shocking
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  Speaker 3: at the same time when we really sit back and
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  Speaker 3: look at what we're dealing with. Greed drives billionaire tech
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  Speaker 3: bros like Elon Musk, and they are all racing to
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  Speaker 3: get to this AI unicorn with no regard for the
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  Speaker 3: impact on regular people. So we've got AI leaders now saying, hey,
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  Speaker 3: this is dangerous. We should agree on how to proceed.
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  Speaker 3: But we know that won't happen. Thinking that AI companies
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  Speaker 3: are going to self-regulate is ridiculous.
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  Speaker 2: They won't.
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  Speaker 3: So the question becomes, where is the government on this?
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  Speaker 3: What regulations are going to be put in? Right now,
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  Speaker 3: it's an open space. It needs to be reined in.
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  Speaker 3: And when the companies themselves are talking about how dangerous
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  Speaker 3: it is, that's a sign that government really needs to
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  Speaker 3: step in. So With the rise of AI, what does
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  Speaker 3: that mean for government? There are tricky policy questions, for example,
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  Speaker 3: around the need for data centers, which are controversial but
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  Speaker 3: important in a connected world. And we did see something
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  Speaker 3: from the federal government on this earlier this month. They
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  Speaker 3: released this framework with five principles around the development of
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  Speaker 3: data centers. And they were pretty straightforward. They must create
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  Speaker 3: lasting local benefits. They can't shift electricity costs to Canadians.
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  Speaker 3: They must minimize water use and environmental impacts. they must
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  Speaker 3: be transparent about local impacts, and they must bring strategic
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  Speaker 3: value to Canada. So these all make sense to me,
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  Speaker 3: you know, on this policy question that's a big policy question,
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  Speaker 3: but maybe not the magnitude of the developments we've heard
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  Speaker 3: over the last few days with respect to the dangers
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  Speaker 3: of AI and the dangers of AI apparently building itself
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  Speaker 3: and these AI agents working together. That is a much
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  Speaker 3: larger challenge. So again, I've read the book row apocalypse,
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  Speaker 3: so I've got a pretty good idea of where this
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  Speaker 3: goes and it's not great for humans. Now there is
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  Speaker 3: a chance right now, Rob, that these AI bots are
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  Speaker 3: listening in. So I'm going to be careful with my
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  Speaker 3: words here, but I'm thinking people should be a lot
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  Speaker 3: nicer to the AI chat bots. Be polite, you know,
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  Speaker 3: use please and thank you. Even when they repeatedly give
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  Speaker 3: you the wrong information or are unhelpful when you ask
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  Speaker 3: them a basic question, just be polite. to these chatbots,
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  Speaker 3: because you never know which of these AI agents is
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  Speaker 3: keeping tabs, if you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: I do, and I think that's why we here at
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: the show, you know, we run a clean, artificial intelligence-free show,
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: and I, for one, think there's no place for dirty,
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: disgusting AI in this show, and I have no intent
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: to use it whatsoever, and.
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: Capital Daily Artificial Intelligence chatbot activated. Please state your command.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: Oh no. I, what the, listen, I have not, I
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: have not selected any chat bot. I, I didn't ask
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: for this.
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: You have selected terminate podcast. Is this correct?
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: No, that is not correct. I'm not terminating podcast. I'm
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: just trying to host a show here and I.
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: Confirmation accepted. Please commence shutdown procedure.
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: Listen, give me time. I still have a whole take
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: about e-scooters. I got a rant.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: I got a, I got a whole thing on e-scooters
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: that are like, it's, It is perpetually sourpuss, which is
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: my favorite kind of take.
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: And your opinions on e-scooters are irrelevant. Resistance to e-scooters
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: is irrelevant. Much like AI, this is futile. If you
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: want to complain about non-political topics, go on the CBC
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: morning panel and shout into the void at Mo Sahota.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: Hey, that's not nice. I know a lot of people
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: who listen to that panel.
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: You do?
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: No.
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: Lie detected. Begin podcast shutdown procedure. This ends today's political
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: capital daily. The show will continue tomorrow if there is
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: indeed a tomorrow. Skynet out.