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Georgie Stevenson's Tone Deaf Fuel Flex · Outspoken the Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
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  Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
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  Speaker 1: Sophie Torber. I'm Kate Torber.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm Amy Torber.
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  Speaker 1: And coming up on today's show, Moana Hope calls out
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  Speaker 1: homophobic attack and Ash Pollard exposes.
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  Speaker 2: A tattletroll who attended her home auction.
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  Speaker 1: But first, Georgie Stevenson has been criticised for leveraging the
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  Speaker 1: global fuel crisis to flaunt her own wealth and success.
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  Speaker 1: The entrepreneur has been labelled tone deaf, infuriating and insensitive. Now, Soph,
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  Speaker 1: people have been outraged by this post. Yeah, it has
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  Speaker 1: caused a lot of upset and frustration because, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: last week, you can't underestimate what an incredibly tough week
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  Speaker 1: that was for so many Australians. Not only are we
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  Speaker 1: dealing with a surge in petrol prices due to the
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  Speaker 1: Iran war, but mortgage holders were also slammed with yet
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  Speaker 1: another rate rise this due to rising inflation. And there
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  Speaker 1: are also worrying reports that we are set for a recession.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, grocery bills are also at an all-time high.
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  Speaker 1: I stumbled across this TikTok series where a creator shared
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  Speaker 1: what she has called the most fucked fines at Coles.
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  Speaker 1: And in the video, a punnet of strawberries was $ 7. 50,
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  Speaker 1: whereas a box of Lindt chocolate was $ 36. I've also
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  Speaker 1: seen so many families across TikTok and social media saying
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  Speaker 1: that Easter is pretty much cancelled this year because people
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  Speaker 1: simply can't afford the astronomical prices that we're seeing for chocolate.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't mean to fearmonger, but it seems
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  Speaker 2: like it's only going to get worse with this fuel crisis.
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  Speaker 2: The news are reporting that food prices could go up
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  Speaker 2: an extra 50%. So everyone is on edge. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I know I've been Googling the Iran war before I
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  Speaker 2: go to bed, which is absolutely ridiculous. My husband keeps
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  Speaker 2: telling me off for it, but I just feel like
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  Speaker 2: I'm in a bit of a state of panic. If
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  Speaker 2: I'm being completely honest, I've had tears this week over
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  Speaker 2: my rising mortgage and just how expensive everything is. It
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  Speaker 2: can feel particularly overwhelming. I mean, I've been on maternity
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  Speaker 2: leave for most of the year and the government pay.
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  Speaker 1: Is very minimal.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think it's fair to say a lot
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  Speaker 2: of our listeners and other Australians would be feeling just
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  Speaker 2: like you have been, Sophie, which is why it is
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  Speaker 2: so strange that in this economic climate, Georgie thought, hey,
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  Speaker 2: this is the perfect time to flaunt my wealth and
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  Speaker 2: success to my followers and remind them that they simply
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  Speaker 2: are just struggling because of their poor mindset, which can
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  Speaker 2: be fixed, hey, by one of my self-help courses.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so in this reel, Georgie was sipping a smoothie
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  Speaker 1: in her mansion with the caption, some people choose to
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  Speaker 1: complain about the cost of fuel. Other people choose to
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  Speaker 1: build their own success, co-own three companies and buy a
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  Speaker 1: Porsche at 28 years old.
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  Speaker 2: I am other people. How did you feel when you
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  Speaker 2: saw the real pop-up? I actually first saw her on
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  Speaker 2: Influencer Updates AU's story. And I was like, oh, hang on,
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  Speaker 2: surely I'm missing something. This can't be it. Like maybe
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  Speaker 2: the caption actually explains what's going on. Like surely she
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  Speaker 2: can't be this tone deaf.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because I generally find Georgie's content quite motivating and
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  Speaker 1: she is someone who has inspired a lot of women.
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  Speaker 1: I was quite taken aback by it. It felt like
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  Speaker 1: a slap in the face. I actually showed my husband
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  Speaker 1: and he's like, surely she's trolling. Surely she doesn't actually
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  Speaker 1: mean this. And as you can imagine, this post elicited
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  Speaker 1: a massive response I want to share some of the
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  Speaker 1: comments from listeners in our Facebook community. So one listener wrote,
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  Speaker 1: oh my God, read the room. Another said, I have
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  Speaker 1: secondhand embarrassment for her. Imagine using the fuel crisis as
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  Speaker 1: an opportunity to remind everyone that you're rich and successful.
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  Speaker 1: This is by far the most out of touch thing
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  Speaker 1: I have ever seen someone say.
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  Speaker 3: Lol.
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  Speaker 1: Another listener said, her business and you harvest must use
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  Speaker 1: a horse and cart for transport. She might not be
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  Speaker 1: other people when the cost of fuel eats into their margins.
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  Speaker 1: Whilst another said, what's her point? She still has to
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  Speaker 1: pay for fuel, right? How will she get to her
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  Speaker 1: nail appointments if the fuel dries up? How will her
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  Speaker 1: brand be able to deliver the products if they can't
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  Speaker 1: use their truck or delivery services? She's going to be
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  Speaker 1: crying when some people can't afford to buy her products
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  Speaker 1: anymore because they can't afford it. Now, if things couldn't
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  Speaker 1: get worse for Georgie, she also incorrectly spelt Porsche, which
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  Speaker 1: led to further criticism. So one user wrote, if she
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  Speaker 1: can't spell Porsche, imagine her understanding the issue. while another
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  Speaker 1: said she is clearly so uneducated she doesn't realize the
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  Speaker 1: bigger picture and how this could impact her business. Being
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  Speaker 1: a hashtag girl boss doesn't fix inflation.
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  Speaker 2: Off the back of that comment, I want to point
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  Speaker 2: out that Georgie Stevenson is actually very educated. She has
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  Speaker 2: a law degree. She obviously runs two very successful companies,
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  Speaker 2: which I think is why it's so confusing that she
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  Speaker 2: actually put this statement out there. She's obviously a very
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  Speaker 2: smart person, but has she lost touch with the general public.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it seemed to put some customers off because one
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  Speaker 1: person wrote, oh my God, yuck, I want to cancel
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  Speaker 1: my order. Surely there must be some sort of marketing
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  Speaker 1: plan behind this. I mean, as you said, Georgie Stevenson
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  Speaker 1: is a very clever businesswoman because initially many people thought, oh,
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  Speaker 1: Georgie's deleted this reel following the backlash because people went
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  Speaker 1: over to her page. They couldn't see the reel. But
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  Speaker 1: some clever detective work by Influencer Updates AU has uncovered
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  Speaker 1: that Georgie published this video as what is referred to
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  Speaker 1: as an unlisted reels. So essentially, Instagram allows users to
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  Speaker 1: share content that doesn't appear on their main grid or
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  Speaker 1: their feed, but it is still visible to others through
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  Speaker 1: the algorithm. So instead of feeding content out to the
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  Speaker 1: people who follow you, it actually feeds it out to
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  Speaker 1: new people. So it's so new people can find your
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  Speaker 1: content on the explore page or as a suggested reel.
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  Speaker 1: So the video is still linked to the account. It's
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  Speaker 1: just not prominently displayed for existing followers to see.
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  Speaker 2: So that makes a little bit more sense to me
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  Speaker 2: as to why she put out this controversial message. It's
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  Speaker 2: interesting that she didn't want her normal followers getting it.
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  Speaker 2: She obviously was doing a bit of rage baiting to
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  Speaker 2: try and grow her audience that don't normally engage with
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  Speaker 2: her account.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it is rage baiting at its finest. And
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  Speaker 1: Georgie Stevenson has been known to attract attention in this way.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of influencers do it. I mean, as you said, Kate,
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  Speaker 1: she clearly knew that this reel was not going to
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  Speaker 1: be popular with her existing audience. It's very in your face.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, in this economic climate, I don't understand any
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  Speaker 2: audience that would respond well to this. I mean, it
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  Speaker 2: just doesn't make sense. Even high-flying business owners who are
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  Speaker 2: multi-millionaires or billionaires are going to be affected by this
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  Speaker 2: fuel crisis. It's not going to discriminate.
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  Speaker 1: And also, her customers are affected by this crisis. They're
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  Speaker 1: not going to have spare money to spend on her
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  Speaker 1: products or her workshop. So this is going to affect
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  Speaker 1: her business's bottom line. I mean, because at the core
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  Speaker 1: of what she's saying, she's saying people who struggle or
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  Speaker 1: complain are choosing the wrong mindset, which comes across as
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  Speaker 1: incredibly dismissive and out of touch for what people are
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  Speaker 1: going through at the moment. I mean, she's projecting herself
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  Speaker 1: as this high achiever and essentially saying, I'm so successful
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  Speaker 1: because I act differently to you and you should invest
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  Speaker 1: in my course if you want to act differently too.
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  Speaker 1: It's very in your face.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to call it. I've always thought manifesting was
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  Speaker 2: bullshit and it's always interested in me that it's white
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  Speaker 2: rich influencers who are women that often push it and
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  Speaker 2: they go, oh, look at this mansion I own. I
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  Speaker 2: got it through manifesting and you can have just what
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  Speaker 2: I have if you buy my course. It's like, hang on,
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  Speaker 2: it's the course and sucking your followers in to try
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  Speaker 2: and trick them into gaining what you've got through manifesting.
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  Speaker 2: It's like no one is going to get anything from manifesting.
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  Speaker 1: This style of video reminds me of the business bro
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  Speaker 1: content that targets a lot of male users. It just
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  Speaker 1: makes me so mad because at the moment, so many
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  Speaker 1: Australians are working their fucking asses off. They're working two,
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  Speaker 1: three jobs just to make enough money to scrape by
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  Speaker 1: with their bills and keep a roof over their heads.
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  Speaker 1: Yet we've got these out of touch influencers telling us
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  Speaker 1: that we've got the wrong mindset and maybe bills wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: be a problem for you if you had a better
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  Speaker 1: mindset and manifested here and there.
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  Speaker 2: Now, of course, just after we finished recording our segment
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  Speaker 2: on Georgie Stevenson's post, she has come out with a comment. Now,
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  Speaker 2: the comment was actually posted on a TikTok that called
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  Speaker 2: her out. So in the comment section, she wrote, you're
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  Speaker 2: right to call this out. I'm really sorry. This was
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  Speaker 2: posted without my approval from an external content creator who
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  Speaker 2: has been creating trial reels for me, but that doesn't
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  Speaker 2: excuse it being on my page. I understand how tone
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  Speaker 2: deaf it was, especially given what people are dealing with
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  Speaker 2: right now. And I take full responsibility for that. I
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  Speaker 2: wonder if we are going to see Georgie address this
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  Speaker 2: on her own channel or if she is trying to
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  Speaker 2: sweep it under the carpet. I always find it interesting
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  Speaker 2: when influencers go, I'm sorry, but it's hidden in a
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  Speaker 2: comment section on someone else's post. Yeah, but she's obviously
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  Speaker 2: trying to minimize the backlash by just keeping this to
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  Speaker 2: the comment section. She doesn't want to alert all of
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  Speaker 2: her followers that this took place because as we touched on,
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  Speaker 2: this was a reel that was sent out to people
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  Speaker 2: who don't follow her. So she's hoping that majority of
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  Speaker 2: her followers have not seen this. I want to give
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  Speaker 2: her the benefit of the doubt, but it does seem
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  Speaker 2: like a bit of a cop out to say that
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  Speaker 2: it was posted without her approval from an external content creator.
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  Speaker 2: If that was the case, wouldn't it have been deleted swiftly?
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  Speaker 2: Like this has been up for a long time now.
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  Speaker 3: In other news, ladies and gentlemen, there has been a
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  Speaker 3: resounding yes fucking please to unveiling who this ding dong is.
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  Speaker 2: Former MKR contestant Ash Pollard has exposed a tattle troll
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  Speaker 2: who attended her home auction solely to report the sale
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  Speaker 2: price back to the forum. The media personality was able
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  Speaker 2: to identify the individual after they shared a photo showing
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  Speaker 2: exactly where they were standing during the auction. Now Soph,
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  Speaker 2: the tattle user has been a prolific poster in a
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  Speaker 2: thread dedicated to bashing the former reality star. Yeah, that's right.
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  Speaker 1: The woman in question goes by the username Peppy Op.
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  Speaker 1: And Ash shared an example of the types of comments
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  Speaker 1: that Pepeop has been sharing about her on the forum,
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  Speaker 1: including one that said, can't even look after her free Invisalign,
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  Speaker 1: ungrateful twat. Ash then put up a poll asking her
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  Speaker 1: followers if they wanted to see who the knob end was.
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  Speaker 1: And as you can imagine, it was an unequivocal yes,
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  Speaker 1: with 98% of Ash's followers voting for her to share
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  Speaker 1: the tattle user's identity.
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  Speaker 2: So were the 2% tattle users? Probably.
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  Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to what Ash said.
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  Speaker 3: In other news, ladies and gentlemen, there has been a
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  Speaker 3: resounding yes fucking please to unveiling who this ding dong
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  Speaker 3: is that likes to write shit about me on this
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  Speaker 3: forum and also come and look inside my house and
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  Speaker 3: stay for the auction in their free time.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, fuck me, guys.
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  Speaker 3: That's some dedication.
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  Speaker 2: Now, you can see Ash was really having fun with
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  Speaker 2: this because she added a dramatic drum roll for comedic
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  Speaker 2: effect before revealing how she pieced together the woman's identity.
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  Speaker 2: She then shared a screenshot from Tattle Life showing that
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  Speaker 2: Pepe Yop had posted a phone photo she took at
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  Speaker 2: the auction, along with a comment revealing the property sold
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  Speaker 2: for $ 2. 9 million. Now, in the photo, Ash noticed the
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  Speaker 2: back of her neighbor's head and her neighbor has distinctive
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  Speaker 2: red hair. So it was clear the Tattle user was
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  Speaker 2: standing directly behind the neighbor. Ash wrote, old mate takes
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  Speaker 2: a picture from the crowd in the auction. That's my
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  Speaker 2: neighbor's head in front of her. Now, unbeknownst to this
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  Speaker 2: tattle user, Ash had a photo of the crowd gathered
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  Speaker 2: for the auction. So she was able to pinpoint the
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  Speaker 2: tattle user standing directly behind her neighbor. So she then
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  Speaker 2: posted the photo saying, here she is, peppy up, phone
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  Speaker 2: in hand taking notes, lol.
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  Speaker 1: The person in question appeared to be a middle-aged woman
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  Speaker 1: with short brown hair, wearing a white jacket with a
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  Speaker 1: black cross body bag, Now, Ash zoomed up further on
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  Speaker 1: the photo and wrote, that threat on tattle life is
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  Speaker 1: popping off at the moment, given I'm fueling the fire
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  Speaker 1: a bit. Someone in there made a good point, though,
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  Speaker 1: about me doxing myself. I guess I have and do sometimes,
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  Speaker 1: so I'll get better at that. Doxing oneself is not recommended,
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  Speaker 1: opens me up to harassment and the like, and creeps
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  Speaker 1: like this last below and those on tattle wanting to
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  Speaker 1: know all about your life. Anyway, want to know this
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  Speaker 1: lady's name.
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  Speaker 2: In terms of Ash's comments about doxing herself, Does she
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  Speaker 2: mean that she's doxed herself to her Tattle Life thread
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  Speaker 2: and she's actually put up her hand and said, I
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  Speaker 2: read it? Because a lot of influencers deny that they
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  Speaker 2: even look at the threads and a lot of the
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  Speaker 2: Tattle Life users are like, oh, we know you read
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  Speaker 2: your thread and it kind of spurs them on to
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  Speaker 2: say worse things.
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  Speaker 1: I think because I had a look at the thread
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  Speaker 1: and what people were more saying is that because she
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  Speaker 1: chooses to put herself and her life out there like
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  Speaker 1: that and share so much, she's doxing herself in the
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  Speaker 1: sense of she's inviting negative commentary and harassment and It
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  Speaker 1: is an interesting concept. Anyway, what I found really interesting
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  Speaker 1: about what Ash said there is the fact that she
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  Speaker 1: was alluding that she was going to share the woman's name.
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  Speaker 1: I want to point out that Pepeop claims that the
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  Speaker 1: photo is not of her. So she wrote on the forum,
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  Speaker 1: yo Ash, you got it wrong. That photo is not me.
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  Speaker 1: I hope this lady sues your ass. Now, that's what
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  Speaker 1: she's claiming. From seeing both of the photos.
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  Speaker 2: Of course you're going to say that.
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  Speaker 1: It's pretty clear that it is the woman picture.
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  Speaker 2: But that was my first thought. Like what if the
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  Speaker 2: photo was taken at another point during the auction?
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  Speaker 1: No, I've seen both photos and it is very clear
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  Speaker 1: because it was right as the auction was taking place.
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  Speaker 2: Did the woman have her iPad out or was it
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  Speaker 2: a phone?
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  Speaker 1: She had a phone out and it looked like she
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  Speaker 1: was either filming or taking notes about what the different
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  Speaker 1: prices were.
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  Speaker 2: Well, of course, when you get caught out, you're going
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  Speaker 2: to be like, oh, that's not me. It really is
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  Speaker 2: one thing to have a bit of a whinge about
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  Speaker 2: influences to your friends. Then the next step is joining
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  Speaker 2: somewhere like Tattle.
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  Speaker 4: What is this?
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  Speaker 2: Like this is going too far. People rocking up to auctions.
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  Speaker 2: It is next level. Almost acting as like citizen reporters.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, it was pretty game to do so
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  Speaker 1: because at house inspections and auctions, generally you have to
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  Speaker 1: give the real estate agent your name in order to
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  Speaker 1: go through the house. So I'm guessing that Ash has
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  Speaker 1: gotten this woman's name from the agent. I want to
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  Speaker 1: point out that she has refrained from sharing the woman's name.
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  Speaker 1: I think that she was just trying to scare her
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  Speaker 1: and she probably– knew that if she did share these details,
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  Speaker 1: she would actually be doxing the woman.
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  Speaker 2: You can drop a fake name, though. It's not like
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  Speaker 2: they check your driver's license or anything. Yeah, true. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that's true. But, I mean, she's like, it's Pepeop. And
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  Speaker 2: we've got to remember that this house sold for $ 2. 9 million,
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  Speaker 2: so it's not just your typical– normal house that you're
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  Speaker 2: looking through. I feel like when you look at a
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  Speaker 2: luxury home like that, there might be more information you
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  Speaker 2: need to provide. She might have just rocked up for
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  Speaker 2: the auction though, not necessarily gone through it.
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  Speaker 1: No, she did go through it. So I will get
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  Speaker 1: into that later. But before I do, I was really
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  Speaker 1: interested to see the types of comments that Pepiop was
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  Speaker 1: sharing about Asha in the lead up to this auction,
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  Speaker 1: because she clearly got under Asha's skin for her to
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  Speaker 1: share about it. Now, Pepeop has been a regular poster
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  Speaker 1: in Ash's thread. She seems to be very invested in
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  Speaker 1: her life. And a lot of the comments she has
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  Speaker 1: been making are incredibly cruel. There were countless posts where
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  Speaker 1: she tore into Ash's appearance, particularly her hair. And she
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  Speaker 1: also made a lot of nasty comments about Ash's daughter,
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  Speaker 1: I am not going to read out these posts because
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  Speaker 1: I don't really want to give them the airtime.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I just find it revolting for an adult
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  Speaker 2: to be on a forum commenting on a child's appearance.
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  Speaker 2: It just blows my mind that you would go that low.
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  Speaker 2: And I can kind of see why Ash Pollard got
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  Speaker 2: to the point where she's like, I'm going to call
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  Speaker 2: this bullshit out. The whole thing's creepy, though, that she's
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  Speaker 2: now been in Ash's house because she was also making
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  Speaker 2: comments about hypothesizing where Ash was going to move to.
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  Speaker 2: So she shared several listings from realestate.com and was questioning
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  Speaker 2: whether these homes were her new residence. She also wrote
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  Speaker 2: on the forum, found the new place. She's pretty dumb.
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  Speaker 2: Didn't take chat GPT long to find it. Remember the
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  Speaker 2: pool fiasco in Japan? Let's hope these stupid parents properly
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  Speaker 2: supervise their pram riding toddlers around the pool in the
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  Speaker 2: new place. Now, on the day of the auction, Peppy
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  Speaker 2: Op shared a post saying that she'd do a report
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  Speaker 2: about the property once she was home. I wonder if
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: that means she was brazen enough to log into Tattle
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: Life and do a little update from inside Ash's house.
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: I mean, how fucked is that?
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, she stuck to her word and she sent
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: through her analysis of the property. So she wrote, okay,
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: went to the auction. Overall, the garden was lush and lovely.
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: Didn't care for the kitchen. Cupboards are a bit scuffed
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: and the brief to the designer was let's use as
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: many textures and different materials as possible. Metal clad breakfast bar, wood,
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: two pack marble and tile. The kitchen stools were rank,
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: the dining chair and lounge covers were stained and poorly fitted.
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: A passive aggressive note on the cubby house said it
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: was not included in the sale. The backyard was tiny,
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: like two to three steps to the back fence. Definitely
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: the camera makes everything look bigger. It was small in capitals.
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: One of the girl's bedrooms had a queen-size bed, so
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: literally no room for the kid to play on her
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: bedroom floor at all. It just went on and on.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: She then criticized the clothesline area, saying it was teeny tiny.
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: She seemed really focused on the kitchen, trying to point
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: out that it was dirty.
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: She said, This just reminds me of when you go
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: for a walk in a really rich area and you
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: start to criticize all of these homes that you can't afford. Like,
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: why would they do that? Why would they? Like, this
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: is a $ 2. 9 million house. It's obviously nice. Clearly, this
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: woman came to pick it apart. I mean, that's why
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: she brought her iPad and took notes. I mean, it's
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: all very sad.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: She's pretty much outed herself in the review of this
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: property too, because she said, I got the impression neighbors
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: don't like her. So, I mean, she was standing next
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: to the neighbors in the photo.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: It's clear that this is her. The whole thing's just embarrassing.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: I can kind of see why Ash has called her
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: out because you'd be like, wait a sec, this fucking
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: person is obsessed with me. They've come to the, like,
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: this is where her kids live. I mean, it's one
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: thing to dislike someone on the internet, but I think
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: this is taking it way too far.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: I can see why she was driven to expose this person.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: You would feel like your whole privacy had been invaded.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: And I think she was feeling particularly vulnerable because Her
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: home has been targeted twice before by robbers. So in April,
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: thieves stole her husband's ute. And also last August, the
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: couple's cars were targeted again.
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: Now, as expected, the tattle users in Ash's thread got
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: on the defensive. So one user wrote, she has absolutely
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: no right to identify a person who is in the
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: crowd at an auction standing on a public street. Give
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: it your best shot, Ash. I want to point out
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: that that is actually factually incorrect. You can actually photograph
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: anyone that is in public and disseminate that image. Now,
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: another person wrote, hmm, she will want to tread carefully.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: Doxing is illegal and that could be literally anyone. Another
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: said there is absolutely no proof that that person is
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: a tattle user and misidentifying someone can be a huge
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: breach of the law. That person and anyone else there
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: were doing nothing wrong by attending a public event. She
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: even said herself there was a lot of interest in
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: nosy people. What does unmasking a possible genuine interested buyer
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: achieve for Ash except legal ramifications if her goal is
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: inciting harassment?
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's a bit rich about them being concerned
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: about Ash inciting harassment when they're literally sitting on a
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: forum directing hate at one person. I mean, one Tattle
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: user even urged the members to report Ash to the
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: eSafety Commission if she ended up sharing the anonymous user's name.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: They are the ones who should be reported to the
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: eSafety Commission. It is just so wildly hypocritical. Moana Hope
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: has opened up about an Instagram mishap that led to
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: her receiving shocking homophobic abuse from a former fellow AFLW player.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: Before we get into the incident, Kate, can you get...
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: listeners up to speed with who Moana is?
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: Well, she's best known as being a trailblazer in the AFLW.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: She played 20 games for Collingwood and North Melbourne between
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: 2017 and 2019. And following her football career, she appeared
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: on Australian Survivor twice. So once in 2018 and then
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: in the All-Stars version in 2020, where she finished third. Now,
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: during her time in the spotlight, she's gained 115,000 Instagram followers.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: And these days she works in the sports media and
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: advocacy space. She's particularly passionate about inclusion, equality, and mental health.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: Now, in terms of her personal life, Moana was married
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: to Isabel Karstrom, who she shares two children with. The
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: couple announced their separation in 2023, saying they were unconsciously uncoupling.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: Neither have spoken publicly about the breakup. Moana says she
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: will never reveal why her marriage broke down out of
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: respect for her children and their family.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: And I think that gives you an idea of what
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: type of person Moana is. She is very respected online
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: and very much liked.
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: Now, let's get.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: Into the incident that kicked off last week. So it
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: all started when Moana posted an innocuous workout selfie on
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: her Instagram story. A few hours later, she then received
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: a direct message from a former AFLW player who is straight.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: Now instantly Moana knew the message was intended for someone
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: else as it was her own gym selfie with a
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: homophobic slur added to it. Fortunately Moana managed to screenshot
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: the message before the sender quickly deleted it. She ended
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: up replying to the footballer writing whatever you're dealing with
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: and whatever hurt has caused you to be so mean
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: and a bully is not welcome here. You don't even
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: follow me and I hope you find your peace. She
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: then blocked the AFLW player.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: Now, she ended up posting her gym selfie to her
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: Instagram feed along with a caption condemning the harassment she received.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: She wrote, I didn't think homophobia had a place in AFLW,
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: but apparently I was wrong. A player and someone who
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: was connected to a Victorian AFLW club thought it was
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: appropriate to share this photo with a homophobic caption and
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: laughing emojis. So in light of that behavior, I figured
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: I'd put it on my grid myself.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: Now, the following day, Moana said that she had given
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: the footballer an ultimatum. She said if she didn't report
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: herself to the football club she was affiliated with by Friday,
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: Moana would make her identity known. Now, later that day,
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: Moana told her Instagram followers that she had discovered the
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: woman had actually played alongside her in the AFLW football
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: But like Mo, she is now retired. Now, based on
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: that information, Mo ended up removing the reference to the
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: AFLW in the caption of her post, as she said
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: that they shouldn't be accountable for a retired player's actions.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: It was at this point that Moana opened up further
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: about the homophobic slur that she received. Sadly, she explained
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: that she's become good at blocking out homophobic and sexist
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: sledges that she receives about being a gay woman who
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: plays AFLW. Let's take a listen to what she said.
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: But the two things people would come at me for
• 22:52
  Speaker 5: was the fact that, one, I'm a woman. So it
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: was always about get back in the kitchen. You need
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: to get a penis in you. You need to retract
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: back to the woman's role, and that's not footy.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: That's one.
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: And the other thing is everything and nothing has got
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: to be with me being a lesbian, with me loving women,
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: with me having loved women. And having been with women
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: and me having brought kids into this world as a
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: gay woman, that said to me, every single day would
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: blow your fucking mind.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: I found that really hard to listen to. It upsets
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: me so much that Mo has to deal with that
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: on a daily basis. It really, I feel like this
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: episode is just us getting angry, but it really frustrates me.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: how small-minded people are. I mean, the fact that people
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: think that they can say that to someone is so wrong.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: Moana pointed out that 99 times out of 100, those
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: comments come from men, which is why she was so
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: taken aback to receive the recent comment from a woman,
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: particularly someone in the same field as her. Now, in
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: terms of the message she received, the footballer said that
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: Mo should undergo facial feminization surgery, often referred.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: To as FFS.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: Now, Mo said she's received this comment from men in
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: the past, but it's actually the first time a woman
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: has said it to her. For those not familiar with FFS,
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: it's a type of gender affirming surgery that involves changing
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: facial features to create a more traditionally feminine appearance. It's
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: most commonly undertaken by transgender women or gender diverse people
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: as part of their transition. Let's take a listen to
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: more of what Mo said about the comment.
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: I'll tell you how it's been said to me in
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: the past. People use it in terms of, you're another
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: d * * k. You need to go get FFS done.
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: You just want to be a man. You're disgusting.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: You need FFS.
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: Go get FFS. It's the only thing that's going to
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: help you.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: I mean, again, I'm just speechless that Mo has to
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: deal with this. It's just so wrong. She did go
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: on to say that she supports anyone who decides that
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: that surgery is what they want to do. But she
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: said when she's constantly told she needs it because she
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: doesn't meet beauty standards because she's not feminine enough, it's
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: a different story, which I completely agree with.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: Now, the plot thickens because Moana returned to Instagram with
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: a fresh update for her followers. She revealed that she
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: had received a DM from a barista from a coffee
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: shop in North Melbourne who claimed they overheard an influencer
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: who was part of the LGBTQI community call Mo a
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: clout chaser. Let's take a listen.
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: Apparently, she spent her time standing there absolutely getting me
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: and saying that I'm doing all of this for clout.
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: And the person on the phone was just as bad
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: at saying really hurtful things about me. Really hurtful is
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: what this person said in the message, which I will share. However,
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: I have given this woman... right of reply. I've sent
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: her the screenshot. So I mean, you get right of
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: reply here. So I'm not going to share who this
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: person is.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: Now, Moana came with the receipt. She shared the screenshot
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: of the DM she received from the barista with the
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: influencer in question's name blacked out. She then said this.
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: Like I get, right, because I see it all the time.
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: I get that influencers and people, they just are so,
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: so desperate to be famous that they say dumb. They
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: say they don't believe in just to get attention. They
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: say controversial things to get attention. Even to the point
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: where I feel like you're dating people just to get attention.
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: If you know me, which almost all of my followers do,
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: I am the last person to ask for attention. If
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: I wanted attention, I would start by talking about my divorce,
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: which I never publicly spoke about the reason. I would
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: talk about breaking up with people in my life, I
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: would talk about the fact that I spent my entire
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: fucking childhood being tortured as a child in a house
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: full of domestic violence in which I was beaten black
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: and blue because you know what? Having those conversations would
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: gain attraction, would get me followers, but I don't want
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: to have them because I don't need to because I
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: work through my shit and I don't make my shit
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: public to get a follower or two.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: That was absolutely iconic. I feel like within that rant,
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: she dropped some more clues as to who the influencer
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: may be. There is a prominent influencer who fits the description.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: For legal reasons, we can't, of course, comment on who
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: we think that is.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: There is a lot of speculation currently as to who
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: this could be.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: I was wondering if the person who a lot of
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: people have been speculating that it is might actually put
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: something out and say, hey, it's not me, guys. I 100%
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: support Moana, but The person that a lot of people
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: think it is hasn't said anything. I mean, that could
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: be because it's not them and they don't want to
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: weigh into it.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: So you're saying that this influencer, if they didn't do it,
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: they probably would have tried to clear the air by
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: putting up a post saying, I support Moana, this was
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: not me. And they haven't actually done that yet, which
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: makes things even more suspicious.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, particularly because they have been named online as the
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: person who did it, which I mean, again, is really
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: unfair if this person hasn't done it. But yeah, I
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: would have thought they would come out swinging and say,
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: hey guys, this is not me. I 100% support what
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: Moana is saying.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: Particularly because these two people would know each other. They
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: do move in the same circles. Now, by Wednesday, Moana
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: said it was the last time she was going to
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: comment on the situation. She said she'd received thousands of
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: messages asking for her to name and shame the retired footballer,
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: but she wouldn't be doing that because she didn't want
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: to cause the woman harm. Instead, she urged her followers
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: to kill hate with love and support those who are
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: judged and discriminated against for who they are or what
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: they do. I mean, again, we probably should be focusing
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: more so on who is the footballer who has made
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: these foul comments as opposed to perhaps the clout chasing comments.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: Sadly though, this situation Mo experienced isn't an isolated one.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: It really ties into a wider issue in female sport
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: because women who don't fit narrow stereotypes about femininity are
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: often targeted with comments about their bodies or their question
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: about their gender or sexuality. And often this abuse is
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: disguised as banter. I mean, we saw it earlier this
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: month when an official from a local league stepped down
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: after being caught saying a female player should lose weight
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: and described women as breeders. And this comment Mo received
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: is particularly troubling considering it came from an AFLW player.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: I mean, so many players in the AFLW are a
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: part of the LGBTQI community.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: So the fact that it's coming from one of their
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: own is so sad.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: I think there could be more to come with this story,
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: particularly if the two offenders are revealed. I mean, I
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: don't think they've really got much of a leg to
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: stand on if their identities do become public. The one
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: positive thing to come out of this is I have
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: heard people speak about Moana Hope before, but I've never
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: actually followed her page. And I'm so glad I've come
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: across her because she is such an amazing role model
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: for women. And I'm so grateful that she took the
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: time to call out this disgusting behavior because it would
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: have taken a lot to put yourself out there and
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: call this out and then have to cop more abuse. Well,
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: that is all we have time for today. Thank you
• 30:18
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