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Is Andor The Greatest Star Wars Of All Time? (Season Two Review) · For All Nerds Show

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  Speaker 1: On this episode of four All Nerds, we are here
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  Speaker 1: to talk about one of the greatest shows of all time.
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  Speaker 2: Season two of Handles.
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  Speaker 3: And What's Up, y'all and welcome to a very very
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  Speaker 3: special episode.
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  Speaker 2: Of the four All Nerds show. We are here to
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  Speaker 2: talk about it and or season two.
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  Speaker 1: The entire season is now out on Disney Plus, so
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  Speaker 1: if you haven't seen it and you're worried about spoilers,
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  Speaker 1: you might want to log off, go finish the joint.
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  Speaker 2: It's incredible, come back and watch this.
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  Speaker 3: I ain't got my AKA tonight because I'm too hype
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  Speaker 3: about this show, so I'm sure to get right into it.
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  Speaker 1: I've got a bunch of special guests. I'm gonna start
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  Speaker 1: off with my brother Melow Barrow Mellow Brown. Please let
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  Speaker 1: them look. People out there know what's.
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  Speaker 3: Going on with Mellow Blah?
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  Speaker 4: What was it?
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  Speaker 3: Akaar uh? I've got too many other akas. Hey, how's
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  Speaker 3: it going all right?
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  Speaker 1: And also we are joined by Joel for All Nerds
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  Speaker 1: listeners know him as our social media maestro.
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  Speaker 5: Hey, that's Joel. I don't have any akas either. That
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  Speaker 5: was too much going on?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it really is, you know, it's no worries sonight
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  Speaker 1: we you know sayings Aka's unless Porsia Patterson, the last
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  Speaker 1: of the four, has something to add to it.
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  Speaker 6: I have nothing, sadly, I have no Star Wars ones,
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  Speaker 6: all of minor Castle Black related or But like I
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  Speaker 6: think there's a good leg and Or there will be
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  Speaker 6: no more.
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  Speaker 4: There's just real going after this, right, So here we
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  Speaker 4: are sadness.
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  Speaker 1: My first thought is, like to everyone listening, tomorrow, I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to go to a screening of and Andor clips
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  Speaker 1: and stuff with the god Tony Gilroy himself. And one
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  Speaker 1: of my main questions I wanted to ask is what
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  Speaker 1: could you do an and Or special edition where Cassie
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  Speaker 1: and survives?
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  Speaker 2: You know he talking about I know that's not the
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  Speaker 2: point of it.
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  Speaker 3: Please don't know. I'm not going to that's for a
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  Speaker 3: mo Masma show, but not that. There's a lot of
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  Speaker 3: shows on Will Mom's show. You know a lot of
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  Speaker 3: things I could ask for. But yes, we are at
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  Speaker 3: the end of and Or. It's been years in the making.
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  Speaker 3: We've all been waiting for this, you know. First off,
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  Speaker 3: just you know, what did y'all think of season two
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  Speaker 3: and the series in general? So I love season two.
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  Speaker 3: I thought it was incredible and to just give a
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  Speaker 3: quick rap, real quick. I think the series as a
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  Speaker 3: whole is now my personal favorite series, especially being in
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  Speaker 3: like just television production. Just seeing every little piece of
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  Speaker 3: how everything works while also getting film quality acting performances,
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  Speaker 3: special effects. Everything is just above and beyond what TV
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  Speaker 3: should normally do. As long as I keep this career,
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  Speaker 3: this is the show that I'm going to actually be
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  Speaker 3: chasing and I'm proud of it for that reason. In
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  Speaker 3: regards to season two, I'm not gonna throw the masterpiece
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  Speaker 3: word out there. That is something I used for season one,
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  Speaker 3: but for season two, it's one of the best seasons
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  Speaker 3: of television I've ever seen. It's incredible. It had highs
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  Speaker 3: and lows, but I think the lows made the highs higher.
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  Speaker 3: But at the same time they saw I love but
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  Speaker 3: so I like it, you know, I love it.
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  Speaker 2: All right?
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  Speaker 5: Joel, Yeah, I really enjoyed this season too. I think
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  Speaker 5: for me it was like one just how like relevant
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  Speaker 5: shit was to like what's happening now, and just like
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  Speaker 5: how much they have I think put in the group chat,
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  Speaker 5: like is that euphoria clip?
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  Speaker 3: Wait? Is this play about us?
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  Speaker 5: Like all the things that were happening Oh okay, cool,
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  Speaker 5: someone's soon's taking note of things that are going around here.
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  Speaker 5: So yeah, I think, like I really enjoyed that, and
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  Speaker 5: for me, I also just really loved like it showed
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  Speaker 5: the humanity side of like what it means to be
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  Speaker 5: in a rebellion and what it means to be a rebel,
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  Speaker 5: Like at the end of the day, these are also
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  Speaker 5: still people with like emotions and things that they have
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  Speaker 5: to go through, and I really enjoyed that, like and
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  Speaker 5: or explored that some more like yeah, they're part of
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  Speaker 5: this big cause, but like what does that impact have
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  Speaker 5: on like your actual life?
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  Speaker 2: For sure.
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  Speaker 6: I've mentioned this before in different places, but Roguwan is
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  Speaker 6: like the reason why I actually care about Star Wars
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  Speaker 6: at all.
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  Speaker 4: So Indoor was.
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  Speaker 6: The thing for me since it was announced, I was like,
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  Speaker 6: oh my god, like I cannot wait, this is going
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  Speaker 6: to be amazing, and it lived up exactly and above.
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  Speaker 4: Like I didn't even set expectations for it.
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  Speaker 6: I just wanted to live and ride the ride, and
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  Speaker 6: I just enjoyed the ride the whole way through. There
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  Speaker 6: were components of it that I was just like, it
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  Speaker 6: gave me aspects of gamer Thrones at its peak when
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  Speaker 6: it was like, there's they're gonna they're gonna do stuff
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  Speaker 6: with characters that you're not going to expect them to do.
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  Speaker 6: You're like, truly, they're not, and then they do it.
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  Speaker 6: And I appreciated that throughout both seasons, and I really
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  Speaker 6: there were there are things that I was just like
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  Speaker 6: when I look at Andoor, overall, I'm very happy with
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  Speaker 6: like where it went. And I don't even think Tony
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  Speaker 6: was Tony Groroy and like at all like part of
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  Speaker 6: the process for Rogue one, because.
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  Speaker 3: It's it's it's really touch and go. Tony Gilroy was
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  Speaker 3: in a position where he replaced the original director out
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  Speaker 3: of respect for that person who won't say his name,
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  Speaker 3: but here he had to come in and do a
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  Speaker 3: lot of cleanup, but he also heightened roles like Cassie
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  Speaker 3: and and or in that regards.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, so I just feel like it was a credit
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  Speaker 6: to like all the things I really enjoyed about Rogue one.
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  Speaker 6: It just like took it and I'm like, you can
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  Speaker 6: tell that what the work was that was done, because
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  Speaker 6: there's sometimes where you see, like in different stories in
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  Speaker 6: different series of different movies, where their original purpose.
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  Speaker 4: Doesn't really get lived up to.
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  Speaker 6: I get that a prequel, and I really was like,
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  Speaker 6: this actually made me feel like it flowed well into it.
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  Speaker 6: And this is, like you're saying, Mellow was like a
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  Speaker 6: standard set for like, if you're going to do a series,
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  Speaker 6: especially if you can do a prequel like this has
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  Speaker 6: got to be like what you look at as your
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  Speaker 6: standard for how you're going to pull that together.
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  Speaker 1: Like Melo said, I consider the first season to be
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  Speaker 1: an absolute masterpiece, probably one of my, if not my favorite,
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  Speaker 1: you know, one season of television ever. And there were
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  Speaker 1: a bit more lows in the second season, I think,
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  Speaker 1: but at the same time, even those lows I felt
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  Speaker 1: like contributed to the overall story, and as a second season,
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  Speaker 1: I thought it was near perfect as well as a series,
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  Speaker 1: I think it's near perfect. Like Melo said, It's one
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  Speaker 1: of those things that I just feel like I'm always
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  Speaker 1: trying to be conveying my work too, Like is this,
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  Speaker 1: you know, on the level of and Or? Or is
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  Speaker 1: this trying to say the type of things that and
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  Speaker 1: Or is trying to say? Because that's something that I
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  Speaker 1: just always want to write and talk about revolution and
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  Speaker 1: change and growth and living your life, you know, in
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  Speaker 1: a free way, and that's something that I felt like
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  Speaker 1: this show really did, like Joel said, the way they
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  Speaker 1: explore the humanity of what it does to people to
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  Speaker 1: be in a rebellion, like me and Melo will talk
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  Speaker 1: about when we talk about the first three episodes. One
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  Speaker 1: of my favorite quotes ever is you know, when you
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  Speaker 1: talk about revolution, you better be ready to eat rats
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  Speaker 1: to survive. And if you're not ready to eat rats
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  Speaker 1: and don't talk about revolution. And this show showed that
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  Speaker 1: you're going to eat a lot of rats and a
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  Speaker 1: lot worse than that. And I thought that was incredible,
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  Speaker 1: And it just also just touched on what it means to,
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  Speaker 1: you know, live your life of purpose, and that's something
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  Speaker 1: that I feel like a lot of television, a lot
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  Speaker 1: of media doesn't do it.
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  Speaker 2: It's not inspiring. And that's the way that I have.
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  Speaker 1: I have a problem with a lot of media because
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  Speaker 1: of that, because I feel like it's the easy way
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  Speaker 1: out to offer no hope, you know, or to just
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  Speaker 1: be the checked and depressed about everything, and it's much
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  Speaker 1: harder to be hopeful and positive about things of life.
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  Speaker 1: But I feel like that's just a better way to
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  Speaker 1: go through things, and I struggle with it myself. I'm
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  Speaker 1: sure everyone does, but that's why I rely and I
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  Speaker 1: love media that you know, actually encourages people to live
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  Speaker 1: free and to be hopeful about the future. So getting
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  Speaker 1: into it, did anyone have or what was some of
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  Speaker 1: your favorite moments from season two or favorite episodes?
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  Speaker 6: As an episode, I can't remember the numbers right now.
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  Speaker 6: The one with Claia doing what she needed to do
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  Speaker 6: and as seeing us into the background of like like
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  Speaker 6: when are you talking about being a rebel? We're talking
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  Speaker 6: about being a revolutionary and being having to eat rats,
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  Speaker 6: Like are you willing to do what you say you're
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  Speaker 6: going to do? So her being young and being like
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  Speaker 6: we have to go in like we have to be
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  Speaker 6: like we have to get these people, and he's like
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  Speaker 6: and for Luthin to be like, okay, but you need
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  Speaker 6: to be aware of like the like what happens from that,
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  Speaker 6: like what are the ramifications? And she's her like showing
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  Speaker 6: like the juxtaposition of those scenes as she's doing what
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  Speaker 6: she's doing, and I feel like it's it really plays
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  Speaker 6: with the idea of what you think a revolution will
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  Speaker 6: feel like, what will happen because I think I think generally,
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  Speaker 6: like the general audience, you're gonna think, Oh, she's going
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  Speaker 6: to try to figure out how a way to save
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  Speaker 6: this person or how to get him out of the situation.
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  Speaker 6: And that's not what you do when you're a rebel.
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  Speaker 6: That's not how this all goes down. You have to
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  Speaker 6: be prepared to do the thing that is the hardest
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  Speaker 6: thing for you to ever do. And I really appreciated
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  Speaker 6: them doing that and then for her to be the
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  Speaker 6: way that she was out of sorts afterwards, I'm like,
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  Speaker 6: that makes sense for her, Like it all just made
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  Speaker 6: sense and aligned with her characterization, and aligned with the
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  Speaker 6: circumstances and aligned with like.
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  Speaker 4: All the needs of the storytelling.
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  Speaker 6: So I was just I really appreciated like what they
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  Speaker 6: did with that episode and with her, Like I seeing
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  Speaker 6: her in season one, I'd always wondered, like, how did
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  Speaker 6: she become this person?
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  Speaker 4: And who was she really to this like.
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  Speaker 6: Cause, and actually being able to see it in season
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  Speaker 6: two and like give it a get clearing like wrap
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  Speaker 6: up was actually very compelling, and it'd be cool to
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  Speaker 6: see if there's anything that comes from this, it'd be
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  Speaker 6: cool to see like what that influence does to the
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  Speaker 6: rest of the universe.
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  Speaker 1: Claia played by Elizabeth Doulau, I'm not sure if I
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  Speaker 1: pronouncing their last name right. Was my MVP of season two,
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  Speaker 1: Like I thought, Playa's character, everything they showed, the way
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  Speaker 1: she responded, the situations, everything was just absolutely beautiful and credible.
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  Speaker 1: And like you said, Portie, it was that moment then
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  Speaker 1: because she walked in and there was no hesitation, and
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  Speaker 1: that's what really just sold it. I mean that whole episode,
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  Speaker 1: and that was episode ten, So that was like really
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  Speaker 1: daring for them too. Just to do that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: towards the end of the season, to take this time
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  Speaker 1: out and show you her origin story and Lutheran's origin
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  Speaker 1: story towards the end of the series was really daring
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  Speaker 1: to me as well. And then there was, like I said,
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  Speaker 1: there was just no hesitation. She walked in and did
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  Speaker 1: what needed to be done. It was not knowing I'm
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  Speaker 1: coming here to save this dude. He's already tried to,
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  Speaker 1: you know, unlive himself. He already knows what the situation is.
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  Speaker 1: I was honestly mad at Lutheran for not having the
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  Speaker 1: whole building wires so he could have got Dedra in one,
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  Speaker 1: you know, but I guess you don't want to blow up,
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  Speaker 1: you know, take unnecessary lives around them, et cetera.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, you gotta do what you gotta do.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes I kind of.
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  Speaker 3: Think he would have took some unnecessary lives, like you
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  Speaker 3: see the bodies he left behind before.
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  Speaker 2: That, Yo, poor Lani Man.
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  Speaker 1: I just rewatched the episode before we started, and my
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  Speaker 1: man really told him about Yavin. You know, it was like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if y'all know of mice and men.
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  Speaker 1: When he was like, yo, go look at the flowers
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  Speaker 1: and then you know.
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  Speaker 2: Gave walking dead.
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  Speaker 4: They did that to the little girl flowers.
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  Speaker 3: Look at the flowers. Yeah, my man told him about
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  Speaker 3: Yavin and then left him on the bench as well. No,
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  Speaker 3: final that he gives that speech in season one that
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  Speaker 3: he gives Lannie is entirely what season two is about.
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  Speaker 3: Mm hmm, Like everything where he's like, like, what does
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  Speaker 3: this cost, like to give up empathy, compassion, comfort, safety,
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  Speaker 3: my sanity. Uh but but the things that you maintain
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  Speaker 3: are like hope and consideration and like and that's the
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  Speaker 3: the one thing they showed. It is actually like the
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  Speaker 3: thesis of the show that it's just like because we
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  Speaker 3: are compassionate for each other, because we're building community in
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  Speaker 3: the process of fighting against this thing that the empire
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  Speaker 3: itself is going to implode, and because it isn't made
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  Speaker 3: of any of those things, it's going to eat itself
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  Speaker 3: to death. And that's also something we see in the
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  Speaker 3: news regularly. It is one of those like very clever
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  Speaker 3: things where it's just like every regime of fascism is
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  Speaker 3: going to eat itself. And that's even embedded in the
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  Speaker 3: Star Wars history, like the Sith rule where there could
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  Speaker 3: only be two because it kinds of telling you, ye,
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  Speaker 3: never be more than two Siths.
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  Speaker 2: So seeing.
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  Speaker 3: The entire season where it's just like we took this
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  Speaker 3: one speech and we're going to make you like experience
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  Speaker 3: it is a genius way to do a season, especially
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  Speaker 3: when you're dealing with characters that aren't powerful. They're like
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  Speaker 3: actually like quite weak, and you're watching the person who
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  Speaker 3: passes the baton and how important that is. Like we
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  Speaker 3: are all also in positions where we're going to be
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  Speaker 3: continuing the fight, and it's the one with a king speech.
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  Speaker 3: It was just like, you know, like I've seen the horizon,
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  Speaker 3: but I know I probably will never get there, m h.
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  Speaker 3: And I know that like even with all black people,
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  Speaker 3: we won't be able to get there, it's gonna take
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  Speaker 3: something else, it's gonna take something a little extra, and
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  Speaker 3: the fact that these characters don't know what that is,
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  Speaker 3: but they're doing it anyway. It's yeah, it's it's amazing, Joe.
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  Speaker 5: I think for me, my favorite episode was when they
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  Speaker 5: got my Mathma out the Senate. It was like the
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  Speaker 5: way I was stressed, even though I knew shereet now.
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  Speaker 5: I was like, I know she makes it, yeah, see
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  Speaker 5: her in the old movies, but like the whole time,
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  Speaker 5: I'm just like, how is she going to get out
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  Speaker 5: of this? Like all the betrayals that were happening, And
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  Speaker 5: then like her speech at the end kind of like
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  Speaker 5: it's Emperor Palpatina, like he's the one, He's the one
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  Speaker 5: behind all this bullshit and like it's all a lie.
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  Speaker 5: And I think it was a great moment too of
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  Speaker 5: like both her and and Senator or Ghana realizing like
• 15:02
  Speaker 5: there's there's only so much we can do, like in
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  Speaker 5: these positions, like there's only so much you can do
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  Speaker 5: as a senator, being a part of this government, being
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  Speaker 5: a part of this system, Like this was their moment
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  Speaker 5: where they had to like break free to see like
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  Speaker 5: there's a different role I have to play because I've
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  Speaker 5: done all I can.
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  Speaker 3: In what I'm doing.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure if I I think one of definitely
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  Speaker 1: the player, you know, and lose an episode was one
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  Speaker 1: of my favorites, and this is something I want to
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: talk to Melow about and it's not my favorite. But
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  Speaker 1: the Gorman stuff was difficult. Yeah, It's like during the
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  Speaker 1: first season when Cassiane was in prison, that was some
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  Speaker 1: of the most difficult stuff for me to watch. Actually
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  Speaker 1: was reading an interview with gilbroy where they were talking
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  Speaker 1: about that recently, and they were talking about how when
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  Speaker 1: they modeled to prison, it wasn't like on anything they'd seen.
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  Speaker 1: But unfortunately, to me, it was so reminiscent of the
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  Speaker 1: when I was incarcerated, because we were incarcerated in a
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  Speaker 1: place that we didn't have bars on the windows and
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: things of that nature, and there weren't a lot of guards,
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  Speaker 1: and that's just how it is, and so it was
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  Speaker 1: very reminiscent of that. And I know for Melow this
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  Speaker 1: season and for a lot of us, just the Gorman
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  Speaker 1: stuff is very tough to deal with because it mirrors
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  Speaker 1: our real life and what is happening in the real
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  Speaker 1: world so much.
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  Speaker 2: Right now and throughout history for that matter.
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  Speaker 1: Like that's something that's really kind of messed up about
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  Speaker 1: the show, is that it's not that it's really oh look,
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  Speaker 1: they're getting everything that we're talking that's happening right now.
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  Speaker 1: It's just like the themes of this nature are happening
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  Speaker 1: throughout world history, throughout time. You know, throughout human history,
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  Speaker 1: as long as we've been on this planet, we've had
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  Speaker 1: these type of conflicts and then these type of actions.
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  Speaker 1: In the way that a fascist system replies to rebellions
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  Speaker 1: is tried and true, and you know, it's only improved upon.
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  Speaker 1: So and I know Mellow has some experience with that,
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  Speaker 1: So I wanted to know how you felt about Gorman and.
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  Speaker 2: Everything that went on in that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, real triggers. Yeah, I understand, Uh yeah for listeners
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: who don't know what was it. I was also in
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: the Baltimore riots when it happened, and it was structured
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: the same way. And when I say structured, I mean
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: like it takes a long time of planning events to
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: happen so that way, on the day of everything is
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: orchestrated perfectly, so that way you have the perfect enemy
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: to be your victim. And so like in regards to
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: Baltimore was real high level. A bit of it we
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: all know about, like the police brutality that caused the
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: riots to build up to that point, how the city
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: was supporting the police for that to happen and saying
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: that it's a violent city. Of course, there's thing that happens,
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: et cetera. So they have a narrative, but they also
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: did something specific that a lot of people don't know
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: about it if you research it. They actually took kids
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: that were coming out of school and they had a
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: spat team meet them outside of their school, and they
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: canceled all their buses, so they forced them to walk
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: with the swat team that kept riling them up. They
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: even refused to let them go through a mall that
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: they usually passed through, and they routed them somewhere else,
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: which was towards the city, and it was exactly what
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: they needed. It was exactly what they wanted. And from
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: there you can start restricting or pulling any laws out
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: of place because they're just like their animals, we could
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: do whatever you want to me. And the way that
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: the show kind of builds up to this where they
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: give you that sense of inevitability and if you look
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: at all of the Gorman characters, whom I like a lot,
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: I like the Gorman's characters because they all didn't agree,
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: and that is the reality of what a revolution is.
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: You have motherfucker's arguing all the time over like I
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: think rhythmic dance will be the way we get out
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: of this, you know, or anything like that. Like everybody
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: has an opinion as to how they kind of like
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: defeat this moment, but for the Gorman in particular, none
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: of them were wrong. Some of them were like, we
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: need to pull back because I think this is a trap,
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: while other ones are just like, if we don't do something,
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: we're all going to die, and they're both correct. They
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: were just results of what this war is doing. Like
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: even Luthan when like Casking is just like, what are
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: you going to do when like when this whole thing
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: blows up, and Luthan is referring to them where he's
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: just like they will burn brightly, like it will be
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: just a signal that is needed to make other people rise.
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: And that's also fucked though, And it's I think it
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: was done incredibly well. Making us experience it is necessary,
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: but it's not. It's not an episode I'm going to
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: be coming back to a lot. That's that's something I'm
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: gonna be watching on repeat, especially when it gets down
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: to just like every time someone fights back a little bit.
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: They increased the firepower to the point where they had
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: droids murdering people instantly, like on site, and it's just
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: like that all they needed was that a little bit
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: of escalation, and we're going to see that in a
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: coming Days of America where it's just like they're going
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: to keep trying to find ways to push people mm
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: hmm doing that as well.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: But no, and you mentioned MLK earlier, and to me,
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: it's like a lot of the stuff that MLK did
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: gets lost in history where people just know that, you know,
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: I have a dream speech. But MLK once sent kids
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: to the front lines because he knew that the police
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: would send dogs to attack the kids. And he's like,
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: that's trying to get in the national newspapers and everyone
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: will see this. So it's a very lutins move, you know,
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: to do that, But it's also the reality of when
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: you're fighting a war sometimes you have to do these
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: type of things. And Sawgra's line, you know, from season one,
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: is still just it's one of the greatest lines to
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: me of all time, you know, and it's so simple,
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: let's call it war.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: Like that shit just burns in my head.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: But yeah, thank you for that, mellow, because I know,
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: you know, that was tough, and I know it's tough
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: for all of us because I was bawling at the
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: end when Castine is driving away and you hear you know,
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: the voice on the radio, because like we say, it's
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: just you know the reality of what's going on right now,
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: like Palestine and a congo, I mean all over the world.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: You know, they're oppressed, people being murdered and it feels
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: like no one is listening to them.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: So yeah, it's tough.
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's definitely a conversation about choosing your moments as
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: also a conversation about like the ones that you don't choose,
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: how do you how do you eat that? Like how
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: do you continue to get up getting the shower and
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: still say that you're you're doing the right thing. And
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: the fact that they didn't let anyone off easy, the
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: fact that like it was so difficult for everyone to
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: sleep after that, Like every single character you could feel
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: the weight of it as they're like just trying to
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: exist to the point where like mon Mathma Canny, She's
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: just like, I got to speak out loud, even if
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: this kills me, leading into what I agree is also
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: the well I think is the best episode the season,
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: and my MVP personally is saw Gorera. But that's a
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: whole we'll get into that. I think Saw Gorera is
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: the best thing that ever happened to Star Wars. That's
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: another thing to get into. But yeah, wait, what was
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: your favorite episode? Then? It's also the mond Mathma escape.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: That is one of those things where it's just like
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: how do you pull this off?
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: Like how do you like?
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: It takes so much luck. It takes like just every
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: bit of like anything you can to get out of instance,
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: because we do have like the show has to repeat
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: beat of and or going back to that corus and
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: pulling someone out of it. But the thing that's interesting
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: is that every time it gets harder because like that
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: war is starting a war real hard right now doesn't
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: happen in the streets. But yeah, all right it Portia.
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: Did you say your favorite episode.
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: Was the one with Clea Oh?
• 23:30
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I'm always down for an assassin like take
• 23:35
  Speaker 6: take out like I don't know, it just does stuff
• 23:37
  Speaker 6: for me. But whenever you were talking earlier about like
• 23:40
  Speaker 6: fascists and speeches, that made me think about and I
• 23:46
  Speaker 6: wonder about y'all's thoughts about part of guys listening to
• 23:48
  Speaker 6: Mimic man, but everything is going to hit the fan,
• 23:51
  Speaker 6: and I'm like, Mimic like has not been on screen.
• 23:55
  Speaker 6: We have not thought about him since season one, like
• 23:57
  Speaker 6: early on in season one, whenever he's taken out, but
• 24:00
  Speaker 6: he his like revolutionary thoughts. This manifesto still live on
• 24:03
  Speaker 6: and they're not even just within just within the rebellion
• 24:07
  Speaker 6: like the fascists are. Like the lead one of the
• 24:09
  Speaker 6: lead fascists is listening to this as he sees everything
• 24:13
  Speaker 6: trembling around him, and I wonder what y'all thought about
• 24:16
  Speaker 6: like him listening to this like this very like like
• 24:20
  Speaker 6: we know that they're shaking because we're we're making an impact,
• 24:25
  Speaker 6: like we're doing the good works. And it's like, what
• 24:27
  Speaker 6: do you y'all think about seeing this scene play out
• 24:30
  Speaker 6: and like how it happens.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: Oh, I thought it was beautiful. Go ahead, Mela.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: I was going to say first, well, first thing I'll
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: say is that if Nimick had a Patreon, I will
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: go bro he was dropping if he was droppings every week,
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: Like I think about m mimic quotes like while I'm
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: like tying my shoes, it can't take freedom from us.
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: It comes with us as clearly as it is, you know,
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: like it's just but like the the fact that part
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: of Gas was listening to it, part of Gas is
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: always like part of Gas is an incredibly interesting character,
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: all the way down to his first appearance where he's like,
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: we aren't enforcers where like healthcare, we spot little things
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: that are like little infections within society and we like
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: smack him down. And so he's always been logistical and
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: how he pulls off things and like how but also
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: in terms of like how he views everything and listening
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: to Tnemic in that moment is like someone that logical
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: can't live without the concepts of there's a little bit
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: of hope out there, there's a little bit of like
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: why the other side of the story is beautiful, And
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: showing that moment shows like all the moments that you've
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: seen him have, specifically in season two, there are moments
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: of regret or when you have like real sniffy, little
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: disgusting enthusiasm. Yeah, your enthusiasm moment is showing everything about
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: like he he is a person where he thought he
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: was actually doing a service, or he could he knew
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: what they were doing, but he considered what he was
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: doing was a service of healthcare. And he was also
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: aware of his sacrifices, unlike Serial Car where he was
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: just like I am. I am willing to have a
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: little genocide happen over here if it makes the universe
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: better in my opinion. And then but because of him
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: being a logical person, you kind of see the cracks start.
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: He's kind of see like those things start to fall apart.
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: And I thought that was like the culmination of that
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: moment before he shoots himself in the head where he
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: where It's almost like it was a realization of like
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: it probably would have went better if I was on
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: the other side this. Yeah.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I used to call him star Trek, that
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: moment of clarity that the Klean Glens would have right
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: before the proton torpedo blew up their ship, and it's say, damn, man,
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: I should have just strong the star fleet. You know,
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: Mama told me I should have been a star fleet
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: because this life for crime ain't gonna pay out.
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: No.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: I thought he was one of the most beautiful characters
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: on the show.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: And like what you said about Knimick, and because we
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: hadn't really thought about I mean, I you know, if
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: you watched the season, obviously it's you know, his manifesto
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: is so incredible and what he says is so real
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: to life that it's hard to forget. But as far
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: as hearing it on the show, we hadn't heard it
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: since the first season. And for it to come back
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: at that last moment, like Mello said right before my man,
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: you know unlives himself, it's just like, damn, you know
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: this shit is still spreading. You know, you talk to
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: the other dudes like, yeah, I've heard it too, and
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: real quick, that is a perfect moment. I do want
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: to give a shout out to Project Fulcrum, which is
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: a really dope project that's going on right now where
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: a group of Star Wars fans have come together and
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: they're putting out a free newsletter every week that you
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: can get in your emails. Sign up a get freetogether
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: dot com and every week you'll get a new email
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: and you can read all of them because they're basically
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: limits manifestos where they're sending out information related to every episode,
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: talking about the episodes and talking about the real life
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: things that influence these episodes, like and this week with Gorman,
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: they mentioned the Battle Wounded Knee, they mentioned Palestine.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: Of course.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, like I said, there are countless massacres and
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: violations throughout human history and especially in more recent history
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: that you can mention. But I really like Project Vocal,
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: and you can sign up for free at get freetogether
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: dot com and we'll probably have some more than they're
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: doing an all star review of this hopefully and have
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: some more from them. But yeah, I just wanted to
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: mention them real quick because I really love Mimics manifesto
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: And like I said, singing in that last moment, seeing it,
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: you know, hearing it throughout the last you know scene
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: and just it resonating was like it goes back to
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: when you see Melchie and Cassie and listening to it
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: on the beach and just knowing you know that it's
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: like it's spread, you know, and it's just undeniable, and
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: that's what's so beautiful about that.
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: For me, it's the infection self effective.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Actually, I know we're gonna we're gonna keep talking
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: about this dark ass show. But I have one fun
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: question for everybody here. We do have like so, I
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: think there's two instances within the show where we may
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: have seen the Force happen. They were very like blatant
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: about it in season two with the lady who was
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: kind of doing the healing and question if that was
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: real or not. Yeah, But the other one was the
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: suggestion that Nimick may have been either for sensitive or Jedi,
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: like at like the end of the day, at the
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: ability to be a Jedi because of that scene where
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: they're like flying through the meteorites that media shower as
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: it's happening and he no longer needs to look at
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: the console while he got to tell him the directions
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: and exactly where to go.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: And he said the number one phrase of both the
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: series and the movie, which is climb get emotional.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: But I'm not that over sign because I'm already thinking
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: of it.
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: It's just like the chills are going, you know, nim
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: It not like not looking looking away from the console
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: and still directing him and you know him, like, what
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: are you talking about?
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: He's like pom Nigga pomb, Like.
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: My favorite quote from them to climb Niggas climb. But
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: I don't know, do you do you all believe in
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: either of those moments was mimic for Sensitive and was
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: that Lady for Sensitive or mixed match either or or
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: were they all just circumstances of people being highly skilled
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: from what we've seen people capable of in the Start universe.
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: I think for me and I remember you mentioned this
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: when you talked about season one the first time, about
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: like how it's such a great show and there's no
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: Jedi involved, Like I don't care whether or not the
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: Force was involved or not. Like the Force was such
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: like an irrelevant part of this show. Like if it happened, cool,
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: Like that's that's a cute little easter egg for me
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: to make sure that this is, you know, part of
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: the Star Wars universe. But like everything else about this
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: show was just so much more important than like Jedi
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: and the Force that like it was cool if it happened,
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: But at the end of the day, I don't really
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: care because the rest of this show was just like
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: that good.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: Portia.
• 31:37
  Speaker 6: Well, one thing about me is I always love magic
• 31:40
  Speaker 6: no matter how it shows up, like I'm with it,
• 31:42
  Speaker 6: but I think for me and like the force and
• 31:46
  Speaker 6: when it's in this like intuitive way, when it's less straightforward,
• 31:51
  Speaker 6: this is a Jedi. This is someone who's like they're
• 31:53
  Speaker 6: not saying I have forces andtivity so you should listen
• 31:55
  Speaker 6: to me, Like they're just like, this is like what
• 31:58
  Speaker 6: I've intuited from the universe, this is what I've been
• 32:00
  Speaker 6: called to do. This is what's happening, and I'm just
• 32:02
  Speaker 6: like it's flowing through me. That feels so close to
• 32:07
  Speaker 6: this like spiritualism that I'm like seeing more and more today,
• 32:11
  Speaker 6: like it's less so religious based and more so like
• 32:15
  Speaker 6: being aware of the energies that are like around us,
• 32:18
  Speaker 6: like environment, like doing moving with that, like in tune
• 32:22
  Speaker 6: with what works for you and then in lock stuff
• 32:25
  Speaker 6: with other folks and then just like the channeling get
• 32:28
  Speaker 6: through your body. So I really do I think they're forcesitive? Yeah,
• 32:32
  Speaker 6: I think that's what they would call it, Like I
• 32:33
  Speaker 6: think in this university would call it for sensitivity.
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: That's what that is. But I think overall it's being.
• 32:39
  Speaker 6: Aligned with the moment and like what's needed and so
• 32:43
  Speaker 6: like yeah, for sensativity, sure, because that's what that like.
• 32:47
  Speaker 6: The force is the like the living like or the yeah,
• 32:51
  Speaker 6: the living like force throughout the universe. But I think
• 32:54
  Speaker 6: it's more I really appreciated that the healer, like not
• 33:00
  Speaker 6: only was she so this is like, this is why
• 33:04
  Speaker 6: I got in trouble with Ben, and I'm sorry.
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: Ben. I probably can make it out to you some
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: kind of way. I will find a way to make
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: it up to you in the future.
• 33:14
  Speaker 6: But I had like from the beginning of this season,
• 33:18
  Speaker 6: like at least by season like episode three, I was like,
• 33:22
  Speaker 6: because I was Okay, maybe this is because I watched
• 33:25
  Speaker 6: too many like I've watched soap operas going up like
• 33:27
  Speaker 6: my in my forend of years, and also like watch
• 33:30
  Speaker 6: like a lot of romances. But knowing that, knowing what
• 33:34
  Speaker 6: happens at the end of Rogue one, I was like, okay,
• 33:37
  Speaker 6: but what about Bis. What's what's Bix's part of this?
• 33:40
  Speaker 6: And the fact that Bis kept living when she kept
• 33:42
  Speaker 6: doing things that could have had her unalive. I was like,
• 33:45
  Speaker 6: there's going to be a child because there's too many reasons,
• 33:49
  Speaker 6: like they don't keep fixed around and less x y Z.
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: And then I kept betting confirmation in Confirmation and.
• 33:55
  Speaker 6: So the Healer saying to Indoor, there's a reason, like
• 33:59
  Speaker 6: she be your reason that you need to like that's
• 34:02
  Speaker 6: who you stay with, right, I'm like, this is this
• 34:06
  Speaker 6: is this is the extra sign I needed that there's
• 34:08
  Speaker 6: a kid that comes from this and the fact that
• 34:12
  Speaker 6: when I was right but to that like this is
• 34:14
  Speaker 6: something like the healer shows up later is in that
• 34:18
  Speaker 6: scene where Indoor goes to his final mission, Like I
• 34:22
  Speaker 6: think that is not just like a happenstance of like
• 34:25
  Speaker 6: she just happened to be the right place in the
• 34:27
  Speaker 6: right play at the right time or that, Like there's
• 34:31
  Speaker 6: just like you know, this general like like alignment that
• 34:34
  Speaker 6: she has with the story. I think that is for
• 34:36
  Speaker 6: sensitivity because she she knows she's gonna see Indoor again
• 34:38
  Speaker 6: when she sees him the first time, and she leaves
• 34:41
  Speaker 6: him with that message, only to see him not with
• 34:44
  Speaker 6: the person he's supposed to be with, but on a mission.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: M hmm yeah for me, mellow with uh Ni make
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: it didn't really bother me or even you know, do anything.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: I was like, cool, you know, that's awesome. This scene
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: is just made ANDIX amazing.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: So whatever. When the healer showed up, that was my
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: first time.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: I think in all of Ander where I was like,
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: I don't know about this shit, you know, because I'm
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: not for that. There's a chosen one and you know
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: this man is the only man who can do it.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: That type of storyline is something that I feel tired
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: and done way too much in Star Wars. But then
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: again reading interviews with Gil Roy and other people who
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: are behind the scenes, they were talk about how it's
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: more about and or, and this is something that has
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: been throughout you know, the whole show is that he's
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: constantly running away. He's like the John snow at this
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: universe where he's constantly that, No, I don't want to
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: be the chosen one.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: I'm not this.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to get out of here. I've done enough,
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: I've put my life on the line.
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: I need to be to, you know, go away with
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: Biggs and all this type of stuff. And so it
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: didn't bother me much after that.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: I've kind of like with oh, it's just and like
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: you said, Porsche, and everyone said, it's part of the universe,
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: and that's the thing. It's like the Force is part
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: of the universe, and like Portia said it, spirituality is
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: expressed and shown in different ways, and we in this
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: modern age where people are picking and choosing and finding,
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: you know, different bits of things to help them through today,
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: and so in this universe, I feel like the same way,
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: it would just be one of those things that's in
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: the background. And I also love in Star Wars whenever
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: the Force is shown to not just be a Jedi
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: and Sifty, because I think that's so corny that only
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: these two groups of people, throughout the billions trillions of
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: people in the galaxy, you know, are the only Force users.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: And that's why I love whenever in Star Wars, like
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: in Rebels and.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: Clone Wars everything else, we've seen all the expanded stuff
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: where it's a lot more than just they.
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: Could be like the Night which is they got it.
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: There's like a random animal, yeah, a space yes, like
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: that discovered the hyperdrives like.
• 37:01
  Speaker 6: That as a story element that this sets up what
• 37:04
  Speaker 6: we see in Rogue one, Like it's like we see
• 37:07
  Speaker 6: that they're not they're not none of them mare Jedi,
• 37:09
  Speaker 6: but we have Force aligned people that like are walking
• 37:12
  Speaker 6: around in Rogue one dodging laser fire. Right, So I
• 37:18
  Speaker 6: think as a prequel, like setting the scene, I think
• 37:23
  Speaker 6: it did it was like a story element thing as
• 37:24
  Speaker 6: well that I'm like, I note, like this is we're
• 37:27
  Speaker 6: getting lay up into what we see in Rogue one
• 37:30
  Speaker 6: in this as well.
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: Mm hmm, yeah, it's It's probably the the the most
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: specific and the most fun conversation in Star Wars for
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: me personally, of like, do do you think that the force,
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: like is it working for some of these characters? Doesn't
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: matter because even going into like Rogue one, like you
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: were saying what you have like Donnian's character as Donnie
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: in plays like I don't know maybe the third or
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: fourth blind man he's played in this group, but two
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: more after that, I'm seeing that John wickspin off. But
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: it's but it's one of those things where like he
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: could also be good enough for it to not matter.
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: But the thing that mattered the most about him was
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: his death because of what he did to his friend
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: immediately after he died, where his friend was just like
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: the entire time, he's like, the forces just is the
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: thing that he's into. I am just I am real
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: supportive of my girlfriend. But the minute that Donnian died,
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: he was just like he was saying, like I'm on
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: the force and the forces with me, repeatedly, just because
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: he's just like, this is going to push me long enough,
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: and if I believe in it, maybe I'm lucky enough
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: to see him again.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: And I think.
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: With characters like Dix, she was in the same place
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: where it's just like I need something and like and
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: like even if like I like to think that we're special,
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: to think that there's something special about us and every
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: now and then, maybe those little miracles do happen, maybe
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: those little and like it because like Bix is also
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: a character where I think or that would be like
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: one of my both my my lows and my high
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: is what it says character as good as it is
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: where I think that that character is incredibly skilled and
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: incredibly capable, and she was before we ever met her
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: in the first episode. But the way that she's used
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: is that she is a character who is regularly victimized
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: and we're seeing her strength to continue. Uh, it is
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: not my place to say how a victim in that
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: regard is portrayed either, because what she's doing is incredibly powerful,
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: It is incredibly strong, and like it is if someone
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: like that that you're going to need to get to
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: the end where it's just like if anyone wants to
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: complain about the conditions, meet Bicks. She's still here. She like,
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: she didn't give up, she didn't get the torture, she
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: didn't give up to the worst torture as possible within
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: the Star Wars universe. And she is still like around
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: the kicking and making major decisions that will decide the
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: fad of everybody in this universe. And it is it
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: the force that why she did it, because of her
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: belief in it or anything like that. And I think
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: that's where I also agree with Joel, where it's like
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: it kind of doesn't matter. It's the fact that it
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: gave her something to do it. And uh yeah, I
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: think I think we all feel that too, even when
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: we pass away, and just like like I know my
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: loved one is like watching over me in that moment.
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: Doesn't matter if it's true is what you need to
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: get through the next thing.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: Well, all right, since we are here, let's talk about
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: the characters.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: And you know, since we're talking about Bicks because we
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: can get to Cassie and of course, but how did
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: y'all feel about Bicks in season two? Because that was
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: for me, that was another one of my I don't
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: know moments, and it was when Biggs got her revenge
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: on the doctor and blew him up and all that.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: Because as someone who is like personally dealing.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: With a lot of trauma right now, I wish I
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: could blow up certain people, but that's just not how
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: real life works in most cases. And because of that,
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: I felt like that was kind of a kind of
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: easy way out for her, even though seeing the rest
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: of the season she still is suffering and dealing with
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: all the trauma. It's just, you know, it was that
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: one moment to get back for her. But how did
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: you feel about Bigs throughout season two?
• 41:33
  Speaker 5: When I feel like if the her getting her revenge,
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: I didn't necessarily have a problem with.
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: I think what I had a problem with was we.
• 41:40
  Speaker 5: Didn't really explore the fact that had on her afterwards, Like, yeah,
• 41:45
  Speaker 5: that was the choice that she made. Cool, but I
• 41:47
  Speaker 5: wanted to see, like how is she dealing with Like
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: did that actually give her the piece that she needed?
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: Like did she still struggle but she still having nightmares?
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: I think like it was just so swept under the
• 41:57
  Speaker 5: rug of like, oh, that was it, that was her
• 41:59
  Speaker 5: like band aid solution.
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: She's good. She's good now.
• 42:01
  Speaker 5: She's here for Cassian and just like rooting him on,
• 42:04
  Speaker 5: while I wanted to see more of her like dealing
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: with the repercussions of like, Okay, I killed that person,
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: I killed my torture, Like how do I actually feel
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: about that? Like is this something that I regret? Is
• 42:15
  Speaker 5: this something that like has brought me peace and that
• 42:17
  Speaker 5: I'm proud of? And I just felt like we didn't
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: really get to see a lot of that because the
• 42:20
  Speaker 5: rest of the season was focused on her like being
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: that support for and or and like and ultimately deciding
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: that like she needs to sacrifice the relationships so that
• 42:28
  Speaker 5: like he can be good.
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: But I just wanted to see more of like her
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: actual story and fold we're sure mellow.
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: Agreed, like I rest again that's how I was able.
• 42:38
  Speaker 6: I'm like, there's reasons why they're keeping her around besides
• 42:41
  Speaker 6: this plot of her like having like revenge on her
• 42:46
  Speaker 6: a torturer. But I just think there's so much about her,
• 42:51
  Speaker 6: like even from season one, that is so dependent on
• 42:56
  Speaker 6: her relationship with Cassian that I, like, I just don't
• 43:01
  Speaker 6: feel like I have a full flashed understanding of her
• 43:04
  Speaker 6: as a person like I do, and like they were
• 43:08
  Speaker 6: able to do as she's out with Clay in one
• 43:09
  Speaker 6: episode for me, which they in Boox is way more
• 43:13
  Speaker 6: like episodes where I get parts of her personality and
• 43:15
  Speaker 6: I still don't really fully know, like who she is
• 43:19
  Speaker 6: beside her rebel identity and like partially like who she
• 43:24
  Speaker 6: had to be whenever she was holding things down.
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: I forget what the name of their planet is or
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: they pharics, So.
• 43:35
  Speaker 6: I think that, like yeah, so I I, yeah, I
• 43:38
  Speaker 6: feel like there's so much of her and then maybe
• 43:39
  Speaker 6: that's who she is, like maybe she has because of
• 43:42
  Speaker 6: everything going on. She this is the personality she's putting
• 43:45
  Speaker 6: forward and that's what you're gonna get, and you're not
• 43:47
  Speaker 6: gonna be able to read her interior as much. But
• 43:49
  Speaker 6: I would have liked to, Like we do get to
• 43:51
  Speaker 6: see other characters' interior moments, and I would have wanted
• 43:54
  Speaker 6: to see that more than just her being traumatized and
• 43:56
  Speaker 6: having to work through her trauma.
• 43:58
  Speaker 5: And yeah, he had a whole addiction and it was
• 44:01
  Speaker 5: like what happened, like he he got addicted to hit
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: the Drops.
• 44:06
  Speaker 6: And she spoke to Luton one time and all of
• 44:08
  Speaker 6: a sudden, you know, we don't hear any more about it.
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: Okay, you got a gaping for his rehab, like what
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: what happened? Like I am in the camp of like
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: you know, if you kill one not see, maybe you
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: get over your addictions.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: Like if I could have blown up certain people in
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: my time, I would have felt a lot better.
• 44:27
  Speaker 6: After you're saying, you're like self medicating because of this
• 44:31
  Speaker 6: person being alive since they're gone, Like I don't need this.
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: I don't need this anymore.
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: It's not even about them being gone, it's about at
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: the blowing them up. That's yes, sels better afterwards you
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: live off that high for the rest of your life. Yeah,
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: you know, I'm good, So I don't yet.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: I do kind of feel you, damn Mello.
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: But there is, Like I agree with both Joel and Porsche,
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: there is. Uh, there's so much left on the table
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: about the character. The thing that's also very frustrating, and
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: the thing I don't like about Star Wars is that
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: they tend to do that on purpose. They usually leave
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: tons of stories, like you know that there's probably fifty
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: Cassian and Dix missions that we have not seen.
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: In a comic book. They're going to make money for it.
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they'll pop up as a cameo in a video
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: game and like it's you know what, I'm gonna lose
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: my ship when I see them. But at the same
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: time I.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: Want to do you know, I'm a bid those comics,
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: you know, like you got me, like you can.
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: Like can we just like talk about the drug addiction
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: but show them on two speeders just focused people up,
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: you know. But and that's me just kind of towards
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: the action side. But that also had to remind myself
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: as to like and or teaching the and or the
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: series not the character, and it teaches you how to
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: watch it as your wife watching it where it's just
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: like you you're hearing about the rebels getting bigger, and
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: you're seeing year the year where it's just like, oh,
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: y'all were a full army now, Like like that planet
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: that just had like a group of leftists shooting each
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: other and not knowing what to do is a full
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: military space now, and you don't see that. You're seeing
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: the story of like people like eat Away at their
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: personalities and who they are as people as they're trying
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: to figure it out, and to the point where we
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: get an episode called who are You And What does
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: that mean? In the process. But the where we land
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: with Bix on that is is one of those things
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: where it's like, this is not me giving a show
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: a past, this is me figuring out my feelings on
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: it because it's, like I said earlier, she is one
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: hundred percent being victimized repeatedly, and in the process of
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: that happening. We also saw her pushback on Cassie in
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: within the first few episodes of like Get Away from Me.
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: I'm enjoying a good life, like I got my plain,
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: simple boyfriend who is like dating way up right now,
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: but maybe I just want It's like The Ocean's eleven,
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: one of the best lines from Ocean eleven where it's
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: just like, like does he make you laugh? And Joy
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: Roberts response is like he doesn't make me cry. And
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: that's kind of where bix has been. She's been in
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: a place where she's just like, I just want some
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: stability and normality in my life. I think we probably
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: would have gotten more as to like Dixon's story was
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: dope if we would have known where she was from,
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: because she's the one other person who has the exact
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: same accident as Cassian and we don't know their back history.
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: In relation to that, because Cassie and we saw where
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: he came from, and it's just like, how did anyone
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: else make it off of that place? And why is
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: she the way that she is? What is the life
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: that she led to led to this point? But she does.
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: But I do think it is around that space of
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: just like she's going to fight with her ability to
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: live in stability, and you need people like that as
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: well within a revolution. I'm sure she was incredibly necessary,
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: but that is also me saying that filling in the blanks,
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: and I wish those blanks weren't blanks.
• 48:29
  Speaker 6: M I just want to add that if she's because
• 48:33
  Speaker 6: some of the connotation is that she winged herself off
• 48:37
  Speaker 6: because she found herself pregnant possibly, And I don't like
• 48:40
  Speaker 6: that connotation because like you still can have to war
• 48:42
  Speaker 6: with yourself with that addiction in like learning, So I
• 48:45
  Speaker 6: don't like that being the thing.
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: That sits there on the table. And then also I think.
• 48:53
  Speaker 6: Talking about her like like looking for stability or like
• 48:56
  Speaker 6: the like the neglect and torment she's faid, being like
• 49:01
  Speaker 6: tortured by the empire. I think she's also in the rebellion.
• 49:07
  Speaker 6: There's so much chaos within a rebellion that it's also
• 49:09
  Speaker 6: like hitting her psyche as well, so like it. She
• 49:12
  Speaker 6: may not be thinking about it like unconsciously, but there's
• 49:16
  Speaker 6: levels of neglect for that she's replicating by being like,
• 49:19
  Speaker 6: I have to sacrifice this relationship for the rebellion, after
• 49:23
  Speaker 6: sacrifice these different things of myself for the rebellion, and
• 49:27
  Speaker 6: that's it's done in understanding what she needs to do
• 49:32
  Speaker 6: as a rebel, but it's also like traumatic to her
• 49:35
  Speaker 6: as a person, even though it's for a better cause.
• 49:37
  Speaker 6: So she's getting trauma from all sides. There's no like
• 49:42
  Speaker 6: safe road for her, it seems, besides going to the
• 49:44
  Speaker 6: farm and living out her life in a way.
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I agree with what everyone said about Bigs,
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: Like she was definitely one of my favorite characters throughout
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: this show. And I also love that she was already
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: involved even before Cassine. You know, she was already working
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: with Lutheran, already slinging shot on the side, doing what
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: she had to do.
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: So she was already about that life and I feel
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: like the world.
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: Pushed her more into it where it just like she
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: accepted even before Cassie and that there is no going back.
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: You know, this is the world we live in now.
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: We are in this war, whether we want or to
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: or not. Like Marva dies and tells her fight the Empire,
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: and you know, I think she took that the heart
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: as well as already having been tortured by the Empire,
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: et cetera, where she's just like, nah, you know, there
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: is no going back, there is no returning. And then
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: you know, Brazos just killed and that little bit of
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: life she had left was gone.
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: So it just becomes where she had to do what
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: she had to do.
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: And yeah, I would have loved to see more, but
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: I think that's just you know, it's just one of
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: the limitations of us only having these two seasons. And
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: it's one of the great things of it only being
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: two seasons where we don't get a lot of filler,
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: but then it's also one of the limitations of it.
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's tough. H I will say in regards to
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: personal favorite character Gerera, Uh, every team he was in,
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, this is this is incredible and
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: it's so cruel like it's actually it's actually pointing out
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: probably the only time I'm sure Disney probably stepped in
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: anytime Sagerera's name was written in this cript because of
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: what it says, like we so the thing that they're
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: portraying is that there's two sides of the coin. Right,
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: there's if you're a rebel, you're either with the man
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: Mathmacrew with Cassie and and the rest of them, or
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: you going full him with Sagerera and you're eating rat. Well,
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: Saul is not necessarily eating soul kind of eating. He's
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: eating all right, but you're also eating civilians.
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: It's a metaphorical you know, yeah, you might eat good,
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: but you are meta forwardly eating mad rats.
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: I mean, I hope the metaphor it's a billion wow.
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: It's like it's one of those things where when we
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: get down to it and we're talking about, like we
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: got to take it to the Empire. So there, I
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: do want to break up a separate show that is
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: immediately connected to this that they made a scene within
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: Star Wars Rebels to promote Rogue one, and it was
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: a scene that should have been It was originally supposed
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: to be in Rogue one, and it probably would have
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: been one of the best scenes that they ever would
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: have had within a live action Star Wars And it
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: was definitely in my personal favorite scene within Rebels, and
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: that is they finally have on a holocron. Sagerera and
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: my Mathma talk to each other, and my Mathma is
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: just like, you're a monster. You are terrorizing people. You're
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: doing like explicit tortures, You're killing innocent people in the
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: process of killing your targets. And so I was like,
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: but I do kill my targets unlike you, Like I
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: get them all, like I wipe them out. And one
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: thing he brings up in the conversation as well is
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: that like basically walk on the battlefield and then look
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: at the bodies on the ground and ask how many
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: of them are sure happy that they fought fair like
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: the rules, Like they're not playing by the rules and
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: why should we? And like, and I always remember that
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: Rebels scene because I was like, fuck, am I a
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: Sagarel dude, and like that That's a real difficult conversation
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: about that scenario. That's a real different difficult because Ma
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: Mathma is a person where she's like, we're gonna go in,
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: We're gonna only kill specific targets. I'm gonna risk all
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: of your lives, and I'm gonna sit here in my
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: slightly less proper dress than I had last week and
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: tell you this is the right thing to do. And
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: you you have Sargerera, and it's just like, we're gonna
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: kills as many of these motherfuckers as possible, and it's
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: going to change the scale of the war immediately. It's
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: gonna it's gonna change everything. I'm gonna lose some of
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: like some of them, some of them over there, some
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: of you. But in the process, that's what you signed
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: up for. He's like, you get, but the rebels, the
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: rest of the rebels, and Ma Mathma also signed up
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: for that. But she's going about real soft and real slow,
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: and that's how you lose a war. And it's it's
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: such a it's an incredible conversation about the perspective of
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: what you do when you consider yourself quote unquote a rebel,
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: and uh, the way that they did not shy away
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: from it with Sagerera, I think it was like some
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: of the best stuff and I wish there was more, but.
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, real quick on saw I saw someone comparing
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: him and I feel like there's a lot of this
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: and I've definitely had this thought before, especially when you
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: see him in Rogue one that he is bas the
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: Rebels version of Darth Vader, where he's you know, more
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: manned in machine, willing to do whatever it takes, and
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: not about that life, you know, not about agreeing with
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: everybody else like he you know, Darth Vader calls the
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: Senate and the whole everything just a bunch of assholes,
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: and you know, screams on the rest of the Empire,
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: chokes people out with no choice and keeps it moving.
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: And Saw I thought.
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: Even you know, even in his last line in this
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: season was just the perfection when he's like, you know,
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: I wish you could fight as well as you lie
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: because so real, and even in his scenes with Will
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: mahn Man forst Whitaker, just you know, absolutely rule because
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: my man's sitting there talking about sniffing gas butt naked,
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: you know, in the fields. He's just going on like
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: this is the greatest dam of its life.
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: But also he makes one hundred correct point where he's
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: just like y'all don't know what it's like in the dirt,
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: like like I've lived here my whole life. Yeah, I've
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: been doing this my whole life, this gas and me family,
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: like this, don't I can't trust you. You had a
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: fancy dinner two weeks ago with these motherfuckers that I'm shooting.
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: M hm.
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: He's just like, there's a part of you that you
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: sacrifice in the process, but I'm the real I'm the
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: real thing, and like I'm the thing that you have
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: inside of you that you're afraid of. And like the
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: way they land with saul On in Rogue one, where
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: it's like he's sacrifices so many pieces of himself that
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: it's literally sharing physical or he's got like two metal feet,
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: he's breathing like Darth Vader, who also lost tons of
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: pieces of himself, So that I don't I don't know
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: if it really fits kind of analogy in regards it's
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: it's like one of those things and it's like for me.
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: Another one that I was noticed in this season is
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: trying to like how Cyril and mon Mathma are both
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: kind of not exactly the sides of the same coin,
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: but they both had that same thing where it's like
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: they think that they can commit genocide and it'll be
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: cool the next day, you know, but that's just not
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: what it is. And when there when Cyril especially is
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: confronting with the reality, how did y'all feel about you know,
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: Cyril's last moments on the planet on I can't say
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: on Earth, but.
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: Because of what I said about Saw and where I
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: discovered where I was leaning towards kind of thing, the
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: fuck Like it's one of those things where like I'm
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: I'm looking I'm literally looking at a screen across from
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: you right now. Of like my YouTube was filled with
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: video essays and people being like, maybe we were wrong
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: about Cyril, And I'm like, when you pick up make
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: a new essay exactly, it's like, I'm not going to
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: give a fuck about the guy out the whip. You
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: should have never picked up the whip, Like it is
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: a cautionary tale about someone seeking purpose with like their
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: own little sniveling, little corner that they live in the
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: world and everything like that. But at the same time,
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: it's like I don't feel sorry for him, but he
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: had plenty of access to to to change this, and
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: you know, more than once he turned a blind eye.
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: And how dumb are you where it's like the day
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: of the genocide and like are we doing the genocide?
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: You know, Like it's yeah, like so I had I
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: had no sympathy for him or for Dedra. I was like,
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: you know, like basically like roundup applugs. Both of them
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: went down.
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I had no sympathy for either of him.
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: I thought Cyril was definitely interesting, and it was like
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: Ceral just reminds me of too many people, I know,
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: because it's like, you know, I've seen a lot of
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: people spacing the last few years, people who I thought
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: were rational on saying, you know, fall under this way.
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: Of foolishness and just I'm like, I'll do it. I
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: didn't know, you know, you're not as saying as I
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: thought you were. And it's one of those things like
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: you said with Cyah, like I also don't have sympathy
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: for these people because I'm also like a grown ass
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: man and you over here drinking the school laid up,
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: like for real, you know, you ain't got sense enough
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: to go to a library or some shit. You just
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: don't take your you know, news off of Fox. I
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: can't help you after that, you know, on the right podcast,
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: I'm mad at their video. It's like, shit, I'm about
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: to make a video about No, you are not wrong
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: about Cyril.
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: My man deserved what he got.
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: I thought, Now you want to talk about a Plaud
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: and I fucking rolled when that nigga was.
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: Like, after all of this, who are you? You know,
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: that was like that mad Men moment, like Bro, I
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: don't think about.
• 59:47
  Speaker 6: You at all, or Sir Sharla whenever, whenever it was
• 59:54
  Speaker 6: it Bucky said something to him and he was like,
• 59:56
  Speaker 6: oh no, it was Hawkeye and he was like, excuse.
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: Me, Yeah, I don't care.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: I don't care. I don't care. Fun out of my.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: Way through moving on. Yeah, So no, I no real
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: sympathy for Cyril. I feel, like I said, I thought
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: that was hilarious. That that was just you know, like
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: I say, his moment of real, you know, moment of
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: clarity moment where it's like, damn, bro, I should have
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: joined the rebellion.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: You know, ship would have worked out better.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: I was just looking for a family. That's all Cyril
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: was looking for with a family, and it's like you
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: could have found it somewhere else other than not to Bro.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 4: Well.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 5: There was a moment too where I thought like they
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 5: were going to try to like redeem Cyril, like he
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 5: was I'm going to be a rebel. I'm going to
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 5: join the Like it's too late, we vote, we don't
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 5: want you in this. I was like, I know he's
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 5: not about to join the.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: Rebellion because which I'm so happy you vote because they do.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: They did that in Rebels, and for me, I thought
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: it was the stupidest thing. They took up a whole
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: member of the team, someone who like I don't know
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: if you have seen Rebels or anything, like, I don't
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: bet you have. What was the big purple dude? Yeah,
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: that's in like the Mandalorian and c g uh. They
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: had a whole ass white man genocide people. And then
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 3: eventually he joins the team and they suggest that they're
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: like gay lovers, and he like brought yeah porch space, Yeah,
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: right place. And it's one of those like like I
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: don't know, maybe George looks is right. Maybe he did
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: sell the franchise or the Slave Traders.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: It has a lot of good stuff too. Come on, man,
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: you know that's not for the maybe out with the
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: bath Water Man that bath Water.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 4: No.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: So I was to have about that because like y'all
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 3: episode I'm like, yeah, I'm like Cyril's you know, he's
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: he's getting a change of heart right here.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: You know, he's looking to get on a new date.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 6: But no, no, I probably shouldn't say this for professional reasons,
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 6: but I think that it is far too aligned with
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 6: this like narrative that we should be thoughtful about the
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 6: people who just don't know and they just need the
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 6: right information or the right person to talk to them
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 6: in order for them to move towards the place where
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 6: we all care more about humanity, and they just see
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 6: the light and the fact that he bought into.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 4: Something that his mother.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 6: Had like like had driven into him and like had reinforced,
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 6: and he was just looking for his own way in
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 6: a very confusing and complex system. Like you know, we
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 6: all make mistakes, we all you know, have problems, and
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 6: even if we're presented with information that's contradictory, sometimes we
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 6: just you know, don't go where we should. And that's
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 6: what we should consider with serial story. And that's what
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 6: I'm I'm sure those essays probably like catch on.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 4: And I hate that narrative. I hate the idea that
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 4: like it takes.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 6: You seeing someone die or like be brutalized for you
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 6: to finally be like, aha, the light.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 4: I knew it was bad, but my golly, that bad.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 4: I had no idea.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 6: I was saying, lie to the whole time. Golly gee, golly, bulletkers.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 6: I had no idea. It's not like all these people
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 6: had been saying it the whole time and I just
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 6: decided to not.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 4: Listen to them. Oh my gosh, I don't even know.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 4: How can I make it up to you? I I
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 4: have no patience for that.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 6: And so I was so like, similar to y'all, was
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 6: glad to see him go. Not even glad because I
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 6: don't I don't care about this man.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like it was just like.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 4: Okay at least and.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 6: Or took out his op like you know, and it's
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 6: like Cardi d Line, It's like you said, you with
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 6: my op.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 4: I don't know how to look you up. Like, I
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 4: have no idea who this person.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 7: Is, but you know, it could be.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 3: It could be the smartest thing that Tony Gilroy does.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: Is because it and to h Yes and Portia in
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: a more aggressive way, because I already worked with Disney.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 3: I'm going to Japan though it was. It's a white
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: fantasy to believe that everybody could be redeemed. So why
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 3: we get people complaining about like how come you killed
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: Kylo Rere and blah blah blah blah, or or different
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: things like that, or like he should have been redeemed sooner,
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 3: where it's like the I think the better stories of
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 3: Ryan Johnson was leaning towards which is like, no, he's
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 3: just irredeemable. He's just a bad person. Sometimes people are
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 3: just bad people. And the fact that, like Serial Karn,
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: I thought that what his life was doing was important,
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: had a meaning, was special, and everything ends with a
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: warm wan wan his final moments, it's exactly what he deserves.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: It was like over and over again in that episode
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 3: for him, like you know, he wasn't on deadra. He
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: goes out see people getting slaughtered, you know, and then
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: finally I have no idea who you are and then
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 3: ma'am you know, the final the fates. It added to
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: the fact that, like Serial Karn for the second season
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 3: is comedy relief, like at every moment, like even in
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 3: the moments where he's doing shitty things and he's like
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 3: working to Gorman and everything like that, it's him being like,
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: they think I'm a special boy. And he got addicted
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 3: also to being special boy because he needs to always
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: be somebody's special boy. I've never seen someone well, I mean,
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 3: like it makes sense for someone to equally be a
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: mom guy and a wife guy and can't figure out
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 3: the difference between the two. So there's a thing in there.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 3: And like the fact that he was like, oh, I
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 3: have a new Gorman girlfriend. Are you gonna kill her too? Though?
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 3: But I just recognized you as a human because she
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 3: thought I was a special boy. And there's nothing, there's
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 3: nothing redeemable about that.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: Can we talk about the moment it's not like a
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: battle Repperer now special boy.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 6: Can we talk about when he had a moment of
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 6: being a mentor to someone, like he thought he was
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 6: really teaching somebody, when he was like, well I was
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 6: able to work my way up went by simply, guy, do.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 4: You would never never know?
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 6: You never know what you can do with a simple
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 6: little search, you know. I was like, this man really thought,
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 6: really thinks that he's really done something.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 3: It's beautiful. It's like the opposite end, Like you're watching
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 3: from the perspective of the opposite end of what was
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 3: it office space when like they're showing the cubicles and
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: the dude the glasses and the coffee mug just taking
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 3: a sip, and like he clearly thinks that his environment
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 3: is beautiful. The place of order that he controls and
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: everything like that, and he's like, this is great, right,
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 3: and it's it's such a good joke because it is
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 3: how all of the members of the Empire see everything.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 3: They they're just like everything is so organized now that
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: I like started to crush any form of care, individuality
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: and empathy and everything. Like now we're all good because
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 3: everybody is going to look just like me. They're going
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: to eat everything with mayonnaise instead of hot sauce. Is great.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 4: This is.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 3: Like all seasoning has been banned. We worked so hard
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 3: for this and like and which is why everyone I know,
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 3: I talked about it the last podcast, which is like
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 3: why everybody in the Empire kind of looks the same.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 3: They are very like like within a Star Wars universe,
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 3: like Star Wars universe is the most wild West, the
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 3: worst place to live kind of thing where it's like
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 3: you got to pull your weight in some kind of way,
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 3: you gotta have some kind of like ruggedness about you,
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 3: because there's like it's just a wild place to be
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 3: and the weakest, most scared and cowardly creatures that have
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 3: no appreciation for individuality or of life. And they refer
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 3: to its specifically with the word chaos, which is what
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 3: we're actually seeing in our real life regime right now,
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 3: where chaos is used for any kind of special individ
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 3: visuality and celebration. In the moment, thinks that every form
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 3: of oppression so that way everything can be flattened is
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 3: beautiful because they don't fit in another world. They don't
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 3: fit in a world where there's like edges to anything,
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 3: but it's impossible to smooth out all edges, so those
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 3: people always be the and it's fun to watch. No,
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 3: it's yeah, Cyril, Like we were talking about Cyril Dedra,
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: I really had no sympathy for them, you know, for
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 3: especially you know, at the end of their careers and lives.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 3: I thought they both got exactly what they deserved.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: I was speaking of Mellow about this scene Dedra in prison.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: Did you know give me a slight like a bit
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: of regret, just because like I said, I don't. I
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: think the concept of prison is so inhumane, and that
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: especially that one they were in was so just, you know,
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: way too real to life for me.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: So I was like, damn.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 3: But at the same time, it's like, well, you know,
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 3: because my only other thing for her would have been
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 3: a you know, bolt to the head.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: So I was, you know, like.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: About that conversation because like, I know everything that happened
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 3: to you, and I'm always like horrified by the story.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 3: You know, I have so much sympathy for it. But
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 3: even when you told me that, I said, you a
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 3: bunch of cry laughing faces, this is.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: Also true, and I had to accept. You know, Dedra
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: is a Nazi and you know, got what they deserve
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: by the end of it. And I, you know, Dedra
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: is like Sarah at least, can I can't understand both
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: of them. You know, Dedra was raised in this environment.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: This is all they know, just what they you know,
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: were born into and they just and they love it.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: In a way, I think too, because Dedra really seemed
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: to join and I thought she really called sirr out.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: We were talking about this, but when she called him out,
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: like you weren't, you know, you didn't turn down none
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: of those promotions, you know, because any little bit of
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: growth for him, he just thought he was doing the
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: greatest thing in the world. Like when part of Gas
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: gave him a little shine, He's like, oh my god.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: You know about the you know, you're about to ejaculate
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: standing right there, and it's like, come on, man. I
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: also said that watching this series that this is the
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: first time I was like, yeah, that care the first time.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: Watching Star Wars w I was like, yeah, he likes
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: to get oh yeah, yeah.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 3: Every night.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 5: For me, Dedra was like a perfect example of what
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 5: happens when white women, white women like that, like our
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 5: MAGA supporters that wil for Trump, Like, yes, you think
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 5: you're apart, you think that you can keep rising through
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 5: the ranks. They think you were an equal, that you're
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 5: on the same level, But at the end of the day,
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 5: you fuck up, like you're the one that's gonna get
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 5: the blame. You're the one that's gonna get the punishment.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 5: Because like she really was moving throughout this world like
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 5: she was an old white man, like she wants apart
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 5: so bad. She wanted to like be at the head,
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 5: you want to be in all the important plans. But
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 5: the end of the day, they never saw her in
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 5: that space. They just saw her as a tool to
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 5: get to what they want. And she realized that at
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 5: the end, like no, you weren't. You weren't our peer,
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 5: you weren't our colleague. You were just someone that we
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 5: wanted to use to get to the rebellion, to get
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 5: get back at them.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: Did y'all feel that it was intentional?
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: And this sometimes I really want to ask your boy
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: about like the fact that I mean, we know, the
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: empire is you know, usually uniformly non alien et cetera,
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: you know, humanity only. But I really enjoyed how for
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: the most part it was straight up white men British
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: accents a lot of the times, and like Melo said,
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: usually weak looking, you know, frail ass white man who
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: couldn't do anything else unless they had to support this empire.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: And then a few times we do see you know,
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: brown or black people, Like we see the light stin brother,
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: like the one person of you know, a higher power
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: is a very light stin brother. He immediately vanishes out
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: of the scene, like you know, they're like, yeah, whatever,
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: you fuck, it wants you out here, Negro. And then
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: we see the other darkstin brother in the heist and
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: during the Eye, and I thought his role was so
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: great because it was like he was used as that,
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: like he was specifically a darkskin brother who is told
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: go tell these natives what to do, you know, and
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: all that type of stuff, and he's like, yo, I've
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: been serving you.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: I deserve that and did to.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 3: The second fighter unfortunately, but you know, like that, please please,
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 3: I'll talk too much.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't say that. Like for me, I saw it
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 4: as a way that they were.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 6: Showing the lack of diversity from the original series like
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 6: the Empire, because we're because this is the timeline.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 4: Of the original like the first three movies. Yeah, so
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 4: like that's what the Empire looked like at the.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 6: Time, Like and it's like this is actually what is
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 6: it continuity that they are showing how like white stale
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 6: Stark it is because that's who they cast the first
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 6: time around, and like they did like they've upgraded the
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 6: like rebels to not be quite as much that you know,
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 6: So I do see that like this is a choice
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 6: outside of continuity as well. But also I think when
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 6: Melo was talking earlier about the idea of the rebels
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 6: being infection, like even in the hospital where they put luthen,
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 6: like everything is very sterile, like the colors of the Empire,
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 6: the colors of where they work, the colors of their
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 6: their uniforms, the colors that they are themselves, like washed
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 6: out in these like very dour plate like they are
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 6: they are they look like like to the Empire, probably
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 6: their representation of the white blood cells coming here to
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 6: fight the infection, and that's like literally what they are.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 6: So I like the characterization like coinciding with the continuity
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 6: of the original series as well as like this concept
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 6: of like the rebels are an infection and they're here
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 6: to like pulse shit and get rid of it. I
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 6: think that also, like is what I catch from like
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 6: the color design. But yeah, I think, yeah, there's a
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 6: lot of intention behind the lack of diversity, And I'm.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 4: Like and also like who wants to be cast? If
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 4: you're a person, like do you want to be cast
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 4: in the Empire? I don't think I would. I'd like,
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 4: excuse me.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: Do you know anything what showed up for Kanye's video
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: so you know, to get them there?
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 3: If I was like in like, uh, I mean they
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 3: do it's all video auditions now, but if it was
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 3: like old school days, people go to the office gat
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 3: audition and I saw everyone and they looked like me,
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 3: and like they had like sunking in eyes and a
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 3: real long nose and they like had like just one
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 3: to two rap features.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: I'd be like, what what am I doing? Just don't
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: seem to be the Jedi line.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 3: I need to go make a BBC special or something.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I thought, I thought, And like you said, portion,
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: I thought it was a great flip, you know, because
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: the original shows and movies did have you know, this
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: very whiteness to them, but especially in the Empire where
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: it's all old white men and they always look weak
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: and frail, you know, generally.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: So I thought that was just a really dope flip
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: of them to use that and make that work.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: And then you know, make it where Because I had
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: a friend who I've been telling about and Or and
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: he accidentally started on the second season, and so when
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: he starts, he's like, man, what is this? All these
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: British jobs, you know, just enforcing tops of whiteness and
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: all this, And I'm like, bro, you are completely missing
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: it because Diego Luna is the lead and he is
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: a you know, Mexican brother who speaks with a thick
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: accent versus all these white British cats who are speaking
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: with you know.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: So yeah, so I.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 5: Thought it was very interesting that like Gorman was like
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 5: predominantly like rich white people and so like the fact
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 5: that like we saw this like massacre happen and like
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 5: basically the plan of genocide on like rich white people.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 5: I thought it was a very interesting choice that they made,
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 5: Like how else are you gonna get like, you know,
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 5: the main audience to really resonate like if this is
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 5: like these upper class white people that like you saw
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 5: their buildings and out their fashions, like they weren't like
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 5: living in rags and like eating off the street, like
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 5: they had palaces. They look like fucking like Northwest Washington,
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 5: DC and there. And so I was like the fact
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 5: that you showed this happened to like these upper crosslooking
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 5: people is really speaking to like, yes, if this can
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 5: happen to them, this can happen to anyone.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 3: Like don't think that you're.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 5: Excluded from oppression, that you're excluded from like genocide happening
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 5: to you.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 6: I liked that they showed man Matma talking to that
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 6: like textile merchant firm Gorman, who was like like in
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 6: like the time lass between she first saw him and
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 6: he was like, look, I can't like risk my like
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 6: my money made, like my resources that I'm making whatever
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 6: by like standing up with this like I can't do that.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 6: And then it's like she sees him again later and
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 6: he's like it's over. I like, I know it's over,
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 6: and I know I can't do anything about it. And
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 6: it's like this is a like this is a planet
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 6: whose hold they have one resource that has made them
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 6: a bunch of wealth, and yet it still does not
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 6: save them when the empire comes like running right, And I.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 4: Did, like I enjoyed that joyl too, because I was like,
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 4: this is not just a discussion.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 6: About like race, it's also like class and it's like
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 6: not like all the things that like white supremacy has
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 6: told folks will save them, it's not.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 4: It's never true.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 6: Like and that's what that's the whole thing about what's
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 6: happening today, what's happened in history, Like all these echoes
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 6: and white people keep talking about the history and how
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 6: it goes today because it's there's like these quote about
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 6: like they came for this person, and then they came
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 6: and then they came for this person, and then they
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 6: came for me, and it's like that's how the cycle goes.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 4: You're sitting here, you're.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 6: Scapegoating one group of people, and they're kind of because
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 6: they're currently coming for them. You feel like you're safe.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 6: But the closer and closer they get to you, you
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 6: go start thinking, oh crap, did I mess up?
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 4: And it's too late.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 6: By then you don't have any recourse because you have
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 6: to sit with it, and like that, you should be
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 6: ready to go as soon as you see it pipe up.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 4: And the fact that.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 6: People aren't keeps putting in putting us in this place.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 6: It keeps putting people in the Tar Wars universe in
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 6: that place.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 4: No.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: And I love that because, like and Gorman, you see
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: these rich white people, you know, like you said, you know,
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: taking the l's and having to deal with everything. But
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: throughout the series, like when in the play episode when
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: we see her first see people get massacred, it's a
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: bunch of people of color and it's children, everyone getting killed.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: And that's something else that I've often said, and I've
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: said it before on the show, is that tox of
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: whiteness affects us all like even when we're not at war,
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: even though you know we are constantly pretty much out
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: of state of war with this, even just in the
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: normal everyday life, because like that, you see the empire
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: is drained of color, and it can be the same
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: thing in our reality. Like, Joel just hurt me when
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: you said, you know, it's like Northwest DC where all
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: the white people are, And I'm like, what, Like, you know,
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: Northwest DC to.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: Me is you know, black as hell and hood.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: But that's also Northwest d C of like ten, fifteen,
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: twenty years ago, where it's like, no, Northwest DC has
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: now been sterilized and a lot of that color and
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: that flavor has been taken out of it. And I
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: see the same thing happening in bed Star where I
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: live now, where people are trying to sterilize Bedsty and
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: take all the flavor and the color out of it.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: And it's such a sad life because flavor and color
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: and all these things bring so much joy and happiness
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: and wealth to the world, and to take it out
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: of it, everyone suffers because of it. Oh, I do
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: have a question for Joel and for everyone. How did
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: y'all feel about Bell and Sinta And did you feel
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: that it was a bit of kill your gaze trope,
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: some gay erasure going on here?
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 6: You know?
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 5: I was I love getting to see Bell and Sentta
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 5: on the screen, like I thought their story was really beautiful.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 5: Like I loved Sinta since season one where she had
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 5: that conversation with Belle like I'm about this rebellion, like
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 5: at the end of the day, like I love you,
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 5: but I'm about this rebellion. So if it's not about
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 5: this rebellion, we can't keep it going. And then to
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 5: see her like turn around in season two and be like, actually,
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 5: like my life can't just be about the rebellion, like
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 5: I live and like I want to choose you. But
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 5: then to like, you know, her heartbreakingly gets shot up
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 5: in the heist scene and like because of some stupid
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 5: white man they couldn't follow instructions, Like I think it
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 5: was it was hard to see that because like again,
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 5: you know, Disney likes to give us like a little shot,
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 5: a little shot of rainbow, a little shot of gay,
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 5: and then like take it away so quickly. So yeah,
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 5: I think it was nice to see it. But at
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 5: the same time, like to have Sin to Die as
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 5: kind of like this this plot device to like you know,
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 5: Vell is now kind of feeling type of way and
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 5: she's moving throughout the rebellion in a different like mindset
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 5: because of how Sin to die. I mean really like
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 5: since his death also kind of being a booster for that.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 5: I don't remember their names in Gorman, but that one
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 5: white man like when we saw him a few like
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 5: time passed later when it was time for the masacre,
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 5: like he was about that life now, like he really
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 5: you could tell that, like what Bell said, like since
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 5: is gonna be with you forever, like she will always
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 5: be a part of you. You can kind of tell
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 5: that he's felt that and like he sees like all
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 5: these people and wants to make sure that like he
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 5: does right by people because he knows that he did
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 5: wrong by Santa. I think it was just And then
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 5: like is.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 4: That is that do we have to use?
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 5: Do we have to sacrifice Santa to get to that?
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 5: Especially like this beautiful brown lesbian woman, Like why did
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 5: she have to be the one to like be the
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 5: catalyst to get the the Gorman rebellion like to where
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 5: it needed to be.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 3: Manage?
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: You fine, it's such a bad ass on a new
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 2: season the Doctor. Yeah, I know, no, Like I fell
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: in love with her when she came home.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 3: It was like that's not my blood and you know,
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 3: and then I love Bell that moment too, because bells
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 3: like look at my badass bitch was a winner. That's
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 3: when I fell in love with both of them, right there,
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 3: anyone else, How did y'all feel about Bell and Censa?
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 6: I also love Santa the first time we met her,
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 6: and honestly because I don't, I didn't, I didn't follo
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 6: in love with Belle. Bell Is has always been like
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 6: the scrappy white woman. She's exactly who she is, the
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 6: rich white woman who got into the rip of rebel
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 6: to like be different from the rest of her family.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 6: And I look at me, I mean what I say,
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 6: and I do what I do, and I'm boom boom bang,
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 6: like I've never really cared for her. Sinta was everything
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 6: for me and I was whenever since A died, I
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 6: was like, couldn't it have been Bell because then I
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 6: would feel a little bit better about what's happening.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 4: Not like no real shade to Bell, just that I
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 4: prefer Santa. And then also I think.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 6: Like I also just liked that her death was all
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 6: to serve for this random white man who does not
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 6: mean anything, since I means so much, and I think
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 6: that's part of the story, Like it doesn't help, It
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 6: doesn't help the story at all.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 4: To me like I don't like it, but I see
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 4: what they.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 6: Were doing with like sometimes the people who you think
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 6: should deserve to get to the end are not going
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 6: to make it, and that like you get that, we
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 6: get this so earlier on in the season that you're like,
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 6: we is preparing to stage for what we're going to
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 6: see later. But I just didn't like that, And again
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 6: couldn't have been Beil, Like she didn't really serve she
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 6: wasn't doing too much for me this season since I.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 4: Was doing so much, and so couldn't have been should
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 4: But again no.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 6: Shape of bell except for I don't I don't see
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 6: it for you. And then I think for if for
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 6: it to serve the white random white man, I think
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 6: it goes back to mellow. It's not about the special
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 6: special boy or whatever kind of thing. It's like, now
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 6: is he the special boy?
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 4: Like is he like?
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 6: Oh, like the fact that his gun went off and
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 6: the guy who he was tussling with, probably if you
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 6: would have just said to the man, hey, we're doing
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 6: a covert operation right now, like because he was part
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 6: of the Gorman Resistance, he just wasn't like as into it,
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 6: like in the way that they were and he was
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 6: just like, hey, we're.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 4: Doing an operation right now.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 6: I need didn't chill like kind of like circin like
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 6: and I think, again, that's part of the plot.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 4: Is that like this, I is not thinking. He doesn't
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 4: know how to like he's not.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 2: He's a he's like a foot soldier.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 6: He's not really prepared to like actually respond in a
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 6: way that makes sense right now. But I just it, Yeah,
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 6: it all annoyed me. I'm like, he should have died
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 6: over her, Bell should have died over her. Any of
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 6: them could have died with side cens sent I should
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 6: still be kicking. And I actually was annoyed because I
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 6: also wanted to. I think it was like a layup
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 6: for us to hear about what happened when she drove Koma,
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 6: like what Luthn led her to do, and she said
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 6: she's gonna tell Belle later, and then we get her
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 6: killed off and we never really get the story. And
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 6: I'm like, that was like, again, Santa should have survived,
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 6: she had the story to tell, she had the notes,
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 6: and maybe we'll get a comic, but I don't want that.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 4: I want sensa. Okay, I rest my kids.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 3: I don't know. That was pretty perfect it. I do
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 3: think it was. For me, it was a they they
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 3: killed the gays in this regards and like it's I'm
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 3: a big Joe Joe's Bizarre Adventure friend, and that is
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 3: a show where like if you kill a character because
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 3: they're pretty much a lot of them are somewhat pretty
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 3: positive gay representation and a lot of regards as you
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 3: go later in the seasons, and they do kill a
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 3: gay couple in it, and you don't feel it as
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 3: her in regards to like, I can't believe they would
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 3: do that to this couple because you still have so
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 3: many options. You got the rest of the cast, and
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 3: like it feels different. It's just like if Bicks was
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 3: a man, I wonder if I would feel the same
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 3: way about everything that happened to how we got that
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 3: story portrayed to us. But she's not, and and Santa
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 3: and Veil are both gay women, and we lose one
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 3: and we lose our favorite one, and yeah, I'm just upset,
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 3: And I wonder if that was the goal. I wonder
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 3: if it was the goal to just be upset about,
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 3: like you're going to lose the one that you like
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 3: a lot, and you probably may not feel as much
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 3: about it as you would about like Bell. But at
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 3: the same time, I do like Vell a lot because
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 3: I like Vell actually more than I like mam Mama.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 3: And the reason why is because, like, yes, Bell is
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 3: doing the thing that Luthen is like, you're going to
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 3: have to do this, and my Mathma is the treasury
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 3: and some and like, as a general, I don't know
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 3: she's always the person that deserves that part, and I
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 3: actually actively think she probably isn't the person who deserves
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 3: that part, and Bell is the one that does because
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 3: Bell knows how to get dirty and she's living. She's
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 3: living the thing she's not typing on Twitter about like
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 3: we should stand up y'all. She's right out there in
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 3: the dirt for most waiting for one heist and trying
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 3: to manage everybody, making all the right deals and everything
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 3: like that. And she when she loses Sensa, she loses
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 3: like this important piece of herself. But that's just fridging
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 3: her girlfriend. She could have got that a different way.
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, And I also agree with the same
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: thing that I think I love Vel more than I
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: love my Matha, and I get what your same port.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: But I felt like Vell made that choice more so
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: than Ma Mathma did, whereas like like man is still
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: like but we have to live, Like when she tells
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: that the vel when they're you know, on the retreat,
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: and it's like Vell's already past that point, Like living
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: isn't really the option, Like rebellion, war is a moan
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: is still thinking and I think that's you know, I'm
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: not even sure if she ever comes to that place.
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: Like Melo said, she's still wearing you know, slightly nice
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: dresses throughout the time that we see her. It's like
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: she never really comes to the place realizing what she's
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: really a part of, you know. It's like that was
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: one of my other favorite you know lines, just how
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: nice of you, you know, how nice for you? Is
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: when Luton tells her that that ship was so fucking
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: cold blooded, Like that's something that I've used a normal conversation,
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: you know, since then, and.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: We'll continue for the rest of my life. It's how
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 2: nice for you, you know, Like, oh.
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 3: Wow, it's also kind of telling. But I don't know
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 3: if this is like the actress and like how she
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 3: normally is, because the actress who plays Bell was also
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 3: an adolescence and she sort of has the same posture
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 3: that she does within anding mm hmm. But when she
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 3: is within those like very fancy parties, whenever we see
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 3: her there, there's a layer of like she doesn't belong
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 3: there there, like we know who she really is, and
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 3: like this is this looks like a disguise. This feels
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 3: like like like how we're supposed to be looking at,
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 3: like how Batman thinks of himself, Like in his mind
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 3: he calls us self Batman. He doesn't. He never calls
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 3: himself Bruce. I feel the same way about Bell. Whenever
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 3: she is in her civilian clothing, she's just like, I
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 3: guess I got to put on this pretty dress, and
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 3: I guess I gotta walk this way, And she chooses
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 3: still not to walk that way. She walks pretty tough.
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 3: She is still kind of like pretty hands off and
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 3: pretty stern in that environment. And I like that about
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 3: that character. It's like this is this is who she
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 3: actually is, as opposed to man Mathma, who was like
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 3: you need her, you on her, You have to have
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 3: this person there because they're also funness. But at the
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 3: same time, I don't know if that's the person that
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 3: should be telling us what to do.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 6: Beautiful yeah, I was just having this conversation for a
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 6: real life step about the role of donors and how
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 6: donor's move is. And this is anybody right like we
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 6: see it's on the local lize level with ourselves. Like
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 6: whenever we're paying money for service, we feel like we
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 6: should dictate how that service is rendered, right like we're
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 6: paying for it, we should be able to say what
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 6: we get from it. Donors act that way with these
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 6: major things, with like I'm giving you my money because
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 6: you said that you're going to like use it towards
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 6: a defense fund.
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 4: I think that I should.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 6: Dictate if like, not only the defense fund, like this
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 6: is what I support, but if you move in a
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 6: way that I don't feel like aligns with my politics
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 6: outside of like you tweet something about a cause that
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 6: I don't align with, then I feel like I should
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 6: be able to tell you that you should never tweet
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 6: that way because that's that's against my role as a donor,
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 6: and therefore I will really not give you further donations
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 6: in the future if you continue to do that thing.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 6: So I think, man, Mathma is she's holding the reins
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 6: as I'm the one providing money. Therefore I get to
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 6: dictate what said, and Luten is like she what can
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 6: like I can only brain her in.
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 4: I can't say that no, because that's not how that works.
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 6: But I was going to say, I was while we're
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 6: here on this family, how did y'all feel about the
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 6: daughter and the wedding and her like her like man
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 6: Mathama being like, you know, you don't have to do this,
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 6: like my mom did not do this for me, but
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 6: I want to do this for you, like you don't
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 6: have to do this, and her getting like a slap
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 6: in the face and that what did you How did
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 6: y'all feel about that? If you felt anything at all
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 6: about this whole situation?
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: I thought that it was like and I think that
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: goes into something. I feel like that society is very traditional,
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: and I feel like that's why Belle is the way
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: she is too, where she's there, where when she talks
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: to Player, she's like, we're just two single women out
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: here looking for prospects when both of them are not that,
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: you know, And I feel like that society is a
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: society where it's like, especially as it seems to you know,
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: being steered back towards conservativism.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 2: You know, it's like it's going back to the always
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 2: and the always. So you get married young to a
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 2: dude and you have a family, et cetera. So I
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 2: feel like it's that For my mathma, it's the yo.
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: It's like my kid has bought, you know, has dranked
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: the kool aid, and everything I did to raise this
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: kid a different way it hasn't worked out.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: They like to taste of the kool aid, and so
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: I'm going to have to accept that and move on.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 1: I think it's telling that we really don't even see
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: her daughter after that. Like at the end, we see
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: you know, her husband, you know, off with you know,
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: his new boot. You know, I'm not sure what happened
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: to old booze, you know.
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, like that's a little a little interesting.
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 3: I realized, because I think my man's is a player,
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 3: you know. I feel like, you know, everybody loves him,
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 3: used to life for the party, you know. So, but
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 3: we don't see her daughter after that because she is
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 3: fully drained the kool aid and is you know, well
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 3: on her way to being you know, a little miss princess. Yeah,
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 3: I mean I agree. I'm always gonna want an episode
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 3: where we talk about and or I'm always going to
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 3: bring up still hilarious. The parent is past pointing as
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 3: a jedily appropriating Jedi every time we see them, and
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 3: that says everything you need to know about him as
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 3: a person. But in regards to like Mon Mathma and
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 3: the wedding is the crucial point there is that it
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 3: happened on Mond Mathma's personal writing day where her mom
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 3: didn't get have that talk with her, but her mom
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 3: did drink so much that she couldn't stop dancing and
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 3: like she was like just completely out of it. And
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 3: that let man Matha know two things. Is the endless
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 3: cycle that is infinite and impossible to break, and this
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 3: is just your turn in it, Like you are not
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 3: that special, which is also what the show is kind
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 3: of saying as a whole about all these characters, that
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 3: they're all just fogs in a cycle instead of the
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 3: special piece. And there's beauty in being a cloud yea.
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 3: But for her situation that the andism that she is
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 3: is so toxic that it proves the second point, which
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 3: is you can't beat this monster from the inside. It's
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 3: going to keep eating you no matter how much you
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 3: think you're in control, no matter how much you think
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 3: you have ability for it. These these aren't monsters you
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 3: could beat by being the person that's just in the
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 3: door and it's slowly chipping everything away. And her reflection
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 3: of that moment as she just gave the okay for
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 3: her friend to be assassinated by just being like, I'm
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 3: going to clutch my pearls until it's over and Luthen
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 3: giving her a pass and be like I'll let you
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 3: do that this time. Yeah, you can do that this time,
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 3: like like go go drink that. I think that is
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 3: the birth of who man Mama will be later, that
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 3: particular moment. But even still that's that's all. That's also
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 3: still further approving the point where I'm just like, why
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 3: is she the leader of the rebellion?
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 5: But yeah, the money talk, Yeah, I mean, I think
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 5: when I saw that scene, it was very I think
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 5: it was when mon Matha realized like what she was
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 5: going to have to sacrifice for this for like her
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 5: one of her big sacrifices was like her family and
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 5: like her privilege and her status, and like you know,
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 5: it's kind of like a shout out to like, hey,
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 5: white people, you're gonna have to sacrifice your privilege, to
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 5: be a part, like you can't have all the nice things,
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 5: and I think, like you are going to have to
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 5: cut relationships. You are going to have to cut ties,
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 5: like she realized because oh, my daughter is so into this.
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 5: My family is like they've drank the kool aid so much,
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 5: like there's no turning back from them. But I know
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 5: that's like not the right path, Like I have to
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 5: make the decision that I can't be on the same
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 5: path as them anymore.
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 3: Like she was drinking her life away because.
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 5: She was just like, well, fuck it, this is the
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 5: last time I really spend with my family because I
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 5: know from here on out, I can't follow the same
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 5: path that they're on. Like if they decide to come
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 5: to their bellion, cool, but they've chosen their life and
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 5: they've chosen to be on the empire side. So like
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 5: I have to really like make that sacrifice of like, yeah,
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 5: I can't have this relationship with my daughter or my husband.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: All right, we have spoken about this season for a
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: good minute here. Any last thoughts anyone, anything else you
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: want to talk about, anything you felt you took away
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: from this show, you know, any last feelings anything before
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: we get out of here.
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 6: Recently, I saw something that kind of like put everything
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 6: back into perspective of me for me about like this
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 6: current present moment and like really how people are moving
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 6: and I think the indoor has been doing. Like it's
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 6: what indoor showcases in a way is very much this
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 6: thought about what we're doing, like what we're the progress
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 6: we're making, what we're trying to do, what they're trying
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 6: to make progress towards what they end up like seeing
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 6: people on the fall to the waystside and they themselves
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 6: are like you know, coming off of and being traumatized
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 6: by they're not feutile, Like there is this like greater,
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 6: bigger picture, but the bigger picture is and it also
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 6: like you see this in Rogue one. It's not on
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 6: you realizing and being able to see it yourself within
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 6: your lifetime.
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 4: It's on you to build out your time in a.
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 6: Way that the people that come behind you are able
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 6: to actually make that thing come to fruition. So not
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 6: to lose heart when you don't see things that you're
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 6: building towards actually come and like actually come into fristion
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 6: and become part of life in front of you. This
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 6: is something that is a longer term legacy. And I
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 6: think that's the that's the story of Luthan, that's the
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 6: story of the whole rebellion. But I think seeing Luthen's
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 6: case is very like specific of like that's how quick
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 6: to turn around is you can be in it, not
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 6: not want to be in it, decide to be in
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 6: it for like a very like specific reason, become intertwined
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 6: with it, create your own space within it, and then
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 6: also know that when you're it's your time to go,
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 6: is your time to go, But at least you've done
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 6: what you've can so that someone else behind you can
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 6: take up your take up the cause and move forward
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 6: because it's something that you've done. So I found I
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 6: find a level of like heart in that. But also
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 6: that is it's not something easy to do. It's not
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 6: easy to like reconcile with the fact that what you're
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 6: doing now is not something that you will see the
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 6: bear the fruits of in your lifetime. But you have
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 6: to be okay with that, and I appreciate seeing that nandor.
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think to add on, I liked how we
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 5: saw with Luthan that like not everyone is like quote
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 5: unquote right all the time, but like will their ideas.
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 5: Their contributions still matter, Like I think about that episodes
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 5: are there where, and Or's back and he's telling the
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 5: news of the death Star, and the Council's kind of
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 5: like shitting on Luthen. They're like, oh, like why should
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 5: we believe Luthan, Like it's been a year since you've
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 5: last talked him. We don't know what he's been doing.
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 5: And Andre was like, it's an insult to like what
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 5: he's done for the rebellion for y'all to be talking
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 5: to him about, Like, yes he had his flaws, Yes
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 5: he didn't always make the right choices, but like his
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 5: contributions matter, Like well, I was recently in the Philippines
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 5: and I was at the Museum of Like but they
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 5: showed the different revolutions and like how one of our
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 5: major revolutions is like on just Bonifacio was like, by
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 5: the end of the time, I was.
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 3: Seen as a trader.
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 5: And it's just like the leaders that we have in
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 5: the rebellion, they might not all be right one hundred
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 5: percent of the time, but like the ideas that they
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 5: contribute that we build up off that we like polish
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 5: and refine and like make better their their contributions still matter,
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 5: and we need to.
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 3: Make sure that we understand like how everyone has the
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 3: part to play. I'm not sure gonna go pretty full
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 3: of mine because how serious this all is. So if
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 3: you are a fan of and Or and you're like, yo,
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 3: this is the part of the Star Wars universe that
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 3: I actually like and that I love it. This is
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 3: the only part I want to stick with. Anything like that,
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 3: They're not going to make anymore. What your worriesn't coming back,
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 3: don't worry, because what you actually are as a fan
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 3: of mumble Suit Gundam, this show is one Gundam. It
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 3: is as Gundam as possible. If you want recommendations as
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 3: a way to start with Gundam, the original seventies show
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 3: is one of the best. Child Soldier. This is what
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 3: it's like to be a civilian during war and then
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 3: you suddenly pick up a gun and you figure out
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 3: what it's about and it puts you through the mental
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 3: process of everything that goes through that. It's amazing it
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 3: does that. There's Iron Blooded Orphans, which is got the
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 3: dopest premise I've ever heard of in the show, which
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 3: is a bunch of child soldiers free themselves from their captors,
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 3: turn themselves into a company of mercenaries, and then they
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 3: take the money that they earn to go free more
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 3: child soldiers and add to their army, which is the
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 3: dopest concept ever. And then there's also Gundam Double Low,
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 3: which is like, what if sower energy became the main
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 3: power in the world and it made other places like
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 3: Saudi Arabia and Russia useless? What happens to the Grold
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 3: and what kind of factions happen and what kind of
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 3: war goes on during that? And your main characters who
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 3: are Dune the pilots identify themselves as terrorists where they
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 3: go to a battlefield and they kill everybody until they
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 3: all stop fighting because they're cool with being villains. So
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 3: what I'm saying is, if you like and Or, please
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 3: watch Gundam because it's doing all that, and it doesn't
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 3: have the Star Wars problem where you're watching a fraction
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 3: of a story. You're getting the whole thing. You're getting
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 3: the full meal. You have to walk away with it.
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 3: So don't worry that Andor's going because you got tons
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 3: of all of that so available to you.
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 1: But since we're doing better recommendations and I just recently
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: rewatched it. I would and I always say this, watch
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 1: Athena on Netflix. It's one of the greatest to me
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 1: ever made. And if you want to see something that's
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 1: as hard and tough and inspiring as and Or about
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 1: revolution and rebellion, I would say Athena is it because
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 1: we watching it really broke my heart again and it
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 1: also inspired me. And that's something I take away from
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: and Or it's like, you know, I thought that you know,
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 1: mom was a little bugging when she says, you know,
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 1: we have to live, and even her husband who's like,
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 1: you know, we got to enjoyed a good times in life.
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 1: I feel like that's also a real beautiful part of
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: the show is that it shows you that even while
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: others are losing their humanity, you know, you still have
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 1: to hold onto that because that is something that makes
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 1: us great.
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 2: I believe in our art, our music are everything that
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 2: we create.
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 1: Being a creative is something that you know, it's always
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 1: I just do every day, even if we're in a fight,
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: I still believe we have to live and have to
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 1: enjoy this life as much as possible.
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 2: During all these dark times that we're all living through
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 2: and So. I thought that was very beautiful for and
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 2: Or to say that as well. I think that's about it.
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 1: I you know, could talk about this show, and we
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 1: probably will be talking more about the show in the
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 1: coming weeks. I definitely want to would love to have
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 1: an all star review of and Or, so I could
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 1: talk more about it.
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 3: Will be.
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 1: Like I said, I'll be going to a talk tomorrow
• 1:44:16
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• 1:44:20
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• 1:44:22
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• 1:44:28
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• 1:45:24
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