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I Am All In…Again: A Lash Out She Deserved (Season 5 E2 “A Messenger, Nothing More”) · I Am All In with Scott Patterson

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  Speaker 1: I am all in. Again! More, more, more.
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  Speaker 2: I want to kiss you more. More, more, more. I
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  Speaker 2: want to kiss you more.
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  Speaker 1: I am all in. Again, with Scott Patterson and iHeartRadio Podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Hey everybody, Scott Patterson, iHeartRadio Podcast. One of the productions,
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  Speaker 1: iHeartRadio Media, iHeart Podcast. We are... Going to break down
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  Speaker 1: Season 5, Episode 2 with Jim Hanna. He is an actor.
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  Speaker 1: He's been in many shows throughout his career. NCIS, General Hospital,
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  Speaker 1: Bold and Beautiful, Young Sheldon Hacks, to name a few
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  Speaker 1: most recently, and Landman, The Pit. He was on one
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  Speaker 1: episode of Gilmore Girls as Mike Krumholz, a father who
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  Speaker 1: visits a dragon plane whose kid gets stuck with Michelle,
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  Speaker 1: Fate Worse Than Death. Welcome, Jim. You haven't watched your
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  Speaker 1: episode in a while. How is it seeing it back?
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  Speaker 2: Well, first off, hi, Scott. Thanks for having me. Well,
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  Speaker 2: I did catch up a little bit, and I did
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  Speaker 2: watch A Messenger, Nothing More, I believe the episode was called.
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  Speaker 2: And I got to be honest, pure vanity struck the
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  Speaker 2: first time I watched it, because I filmed that when
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  Speaker 2: I was at my heaviest. So I've lost some weight
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  Speaker 2: since then. And so I looked at it and I
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  Speaker 2: was like, oh boy. And so just pure vanity. I
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  Speaker 2: was watching going, Jim, you look terrible. You look absolutely terrible.
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  Speaker 2: But beyond that, I was struck by, I had to apologize.
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  Speaker 2: And I talked to one of your producers that this
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  Speaker 2: was 22 years ago. It was one of many little
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  Speaker 2: one-off jobs I've done over my career. And so I
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  Speaker 2: didn't remember a ton about the day of filming itself.
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  Speaker 2: I do remember that the set was incredibly busy. And
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  Speaker 2: professionally busy, I mean, it wasn't just scatterbrained, it was
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  Speaker 2: like a really well-run operation. And as a guy who
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  Speaker 2: just kind of pops into episodes here and there on
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  Speaker 2: TV series, I always want to make sure that I'm
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  Speaker 2: not interrupting the well-oiled machine at all with my one
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  Speaker 2: scene and six or seven, whatever I've got. My job
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  Speaker 2: is to put my head down, not be a problem.
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  Speaker 2: do my work as well as I can and go home.
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  Speaker 2: So I do remember it being kind of a brisk day,
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  Speaker 2: like in terms of just the pacing of it. I
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  Speaker 2: got there and it was a very short day, as
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  Speaker 2: I recall, for me personally. I was just shooting the
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  Speaker 2: one scene with my family. And I think I was
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  Speaker 2: there three hours tops. Like I said, very well run operation.
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  Speaker 2: That is not routine on a lot of sets. But
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  Speaker 2: once the activity got going there in the Dragonfly Inn,
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  Speaker 2: where my scene took place, Obviously, it was crew everywhere
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  Speaker 2: and background everywhere and the principal actors there. And it
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  Speaker 2: was kind of controlled mayhem, but very controlled. It was
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  Speaker 2: really well done. So I was like, all right, don't
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  Speaker 2: get in the way. Don't block anybody.
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  Speaker 1: Sounds good. Let's jump into the episode of Messenger. Nothing more.
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  Speaker 1: September 28, 2004. Luke comes back from the Renaissance Fair
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  Speaker 1: with a gift for Lorelei. Roy writes a letter to Dean,
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  Speaker 1: but it comes up. Comes with big repercussions. Lane is
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  Speaker 1: starting to realize something different about her fellow band member,
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  Speaker 1: Daniel Palladino, directed. Daniel Palladino wrote it. Luke is away,
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  Speaker 1: and then he comes back. Luke is still with T.J.
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  Speaker 1: and Liz, but his patience is wearing thin with T.J.
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  Speaker 1: Liz thinks it's time for him to return to Starz. Jim,
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  Speaker 1: what's your impression of this dynamic between Luke and his sister, T.J.
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  Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing. So I do have to do
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  Speaker 2: this caveat at the top where I did not watch
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  Speaker 2: the series when it aired. I somehow got, I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: whatever I was doing in 2004 or maybe three when
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  Speaker 2: we filmed it. I don't remember getting into the Gilmore Girls.
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  Speaker 2: And so I hadn't really watched it, which I'm now
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  Speaker 2: regretting because I did watch several episodes in preparation for this.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm already hooked a little bit like, oh, what
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  Speaker 2: is going to happen between Lindsay and Dean and things
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  Speaker 2: like that.
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  Speaker 1: So Luke is packed and ready to go. And he
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  Speaker 1: makes a call on a cell phone to Lorelei. Liz
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  Speaker 1: notices his grin. After the call, he wants to give
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  Speaker 1: a necklace to Lorelei. She screams, huzzah, and is excited
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  Speaker 1: for him. Rory and Lorelei come in after getting yelled
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  Speaker 1: at by Lindsay's mom. Luke is happy to see her.
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  Speaker 1: He runs off to do an errand. Then Lorelei meets
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  Speaker 1: him outside he gives an excellent necklace to her and
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  Speaker 1: she's already wearing the earrings they almost kiss but the
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  Speaker 1: cider mill parade starts all right so jim we're starting
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  Speaker 1: to see the beginning of luke and laurel's relationship where
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  Speaker 1: right where it's sort of giddy and exciting and just
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  Speaker 1: watching this episode what are your thoughts on their chemistry.
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  Speaker 2: Well, can I say as a guy, like, I do
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  Speaker 2: remember that being in the ether back then. Like, I
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  Speaker 2: have so many friends who are fans of this show.
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  Speaker 2: And I am actually thinking back to my childhood when
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  Speaker 2: Luke and Laura on General Hospital was the big relationship
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  Speaker 2: and everyone knew about it, even though as a kid,
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  Speaker 2: I never watched General Hospital. And I started hearing a
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  Speaker 2: lot about Luke and Lorelei, Luke and Lorelei, Luke and Lorelei.
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  Speaker 2: That was the one of the main relationship arcs in
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  Speaker 2: the show. So I was aware of that even before
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  Speaker 2: I went back to rewatch this episode and a couple
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  Speaker 2: of others. And I did watch the finale of season
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  Speaker 2: four yesterday to see the kiss. I knew that was
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  Speaker 2: a big deal. And that's what sort of was the
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  Speaker 2: cliffhanger into season five. So I will be honest. I don't,
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  Speaker 2: I'm curious now how it goes. I feel like I
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  Speaker 2: know that at the end, because I've done enough, you know,
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  Speaker 2: background reading on this, that you guys do end up together,
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  Speaker 2: but it sounds like there's a lot of back and
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  Speaker 2: forth in between then. So I'm actually going to, get
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  Speaker 2: caught up on this series and follow it all the
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  Speaker 2: way through. But it's obviously one of the main relationships
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  Speaker 2: of the entire series and a very charming and funny
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  Speaker 2: and entertaining one at that. And you're rooting for him
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  Speaker 2: and then you're terrified.
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  Speaker 1: Well, these feelings of best friends turning into a relationship,
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  Speaker 1: does that sound scary or hopeful?
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  Speaker 2: To me, in my personal life, it sounds fine because
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  Speaker 2: that seems to be what I've mostly done in my life.
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  Speaker 1: Uh-huh.
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  Speaker 2: I guess at that point it all seems very hopeful
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  Speaker 2: and optimistic in season, in this particular episode. Well, we're
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  Speaker 2: certainly rooting for them, certainly want them to get together.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm delighted that by the, that in our episode,
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  Speaker 2: that relationship continues to be explored. Yeah. I mean, it's a,
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  Speaker 2: it's one of the iconic couples in TV history. And
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  Speaker 2: so even, even I'm aware of that from just even the, the,
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  Speaker 2: you know, my episode and, and, just knowing about it
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  Speaker 2: from my friends. I will say this as a side note,
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  Speaker 2: I've done dozens and dozens of these kind of one-offs
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  Speaker 2: in my career. That's how it made my living. And
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  Speaker 2: sometimes I don't get a sense of how well something
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  Speaker 2: is being received until I start hearing about it from friends,
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  Speaker 2: especially now in the streaming age, people are catching up
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  Speaker 2: on old shows they used to watch and people are,
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  Speaker 2: you know, binging Gilmore girls again. I get, notifications, texts,
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  Speaker 2: and emails from my friends constantly about, Oh my God,
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  Speaker 2: you were on Gilmore girls. I just saw your episode
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  Speaker 2: of Gilmore girls and Gilmore girls. So it is one
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  Speaker 2: of the most noted upon jobs in my career that
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  Speaker 2: I was briefly on Gilmore girls.
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  Speaker 1: There you go. All right, let's dig into a little
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  Speaker 1: lane and Zach. Lane is in charge at Luke's, and
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  Speaker 1: things seem like they're going well, even though Caesar's trying
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  Speaker 1: to come up with his own type of salad. The
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  Speaker 1: band discusses what will be on their set list and
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  Speaker 1: thinking of cutting the covers. Zach shows up with a
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  Speaker 1: couple of girls. Lane seems annoyed. He later comes back
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  Speaker 1: with the same two girls. And they fight. Again, one
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  Speaker 1: of the girls comes back inside and apologizes that she
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  Speaker 1: didn't know. Lane doesn't know what, then realizes. Lane talks
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  Speaker 1: to Rory about Zach and Luke Steiner confiding in her
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  Speaker 1: about her feelings. All right, Jim. Zach is with two
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  Speaker 1: gals in this episode and is playing off as a ladies' man.
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  Speaker 1: Does he play it well, or is he coming off
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  Speaker 1: too strong? Oh, no.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it seems like it's sort of an archetype
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  Speaker 2: of the charming but slightly jerky love interest. He's definitely
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  Speaker 2: not so unlikable that you don't want them to get together,
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  Speaker 2: but he's definitely playing some games, it seems like, in
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  Speaker 2: the diner. Can I ask a side question? I meant
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  Speaker 2: to Google this yesterday. In the band, of the three
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  Speaker 2: members of the band, there was a famous rock star
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  Speaker 2: in that band. Is that... was that Sebastian Bach or
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  Speaker 2: am I just totally confused? That is, I was watching
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  Speaker 2: that going like, wait a minute. Is that now I'm
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  Speaker 2: curious because I did not catch up on the remaining
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  Speaker 2: seasons after five episode two, how does that relationship turn out?
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  Speaker 2: And I guess that's part of the, why this show
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  Speaker 2: has captured so many hearts over the years is there's
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  Speaker 2: just always these relationships that you're rooting for to happen
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  Speaker 2: and the frustrations when they don't. And, um, That's a
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  Speaker 2: good formula for a TV show to remain popular 20-some
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  Speaker 2: years later.
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  Speaker 1: All right, let's get into Rory and Lorelai. Lorelai goes
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  Speaker 1: to Luke's. Diner sees all the postcards she sent. She
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  Speaker 1: is sending Lane at Luke's, and we see she has
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  Speaker 1: not talked to Rory much. Rory and Emily are in Rome.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: And Emily's very particular about the room, and they head
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  Speaker 1: to the cafe, and the waiters are hitting on Emily.
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  Speaker 1: Back at Stars Hollow, Lorelai's being... particular and michelle gets
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  Speaker 1: stuck with the krumholtz family uh your character jim and
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  Speaker 1: the kids love him then lorelei is being told by
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  Speaker 1: suki to head home and relax because she's been acting
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  Speaker 1: nutty uh rory calls and apologizes asked her to give
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  Speaker 1: a letter to dean that she wrote so lorelei agrees
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  Speaker 1: she gives it to him at dozy's market the day
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  Speaker 1: rory comes home lorelei And Suki sees Dean and Lindsay
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  Speaker 1: fighting through their apartment window. She's screaming and throwing his
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  Speaker 1: things out her window. It's a big fight. As Rory
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  Speaker 1: and Lorelai are on their way to Luke's diner, they
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  Speaker 1: run into Teresa and Lindsay. She lets them have it,
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  Speaker 1: screaming that she should be ashamed of herself, and Dean
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  Speaker 1: is back living with his parents. I don't know why
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  Speaker 1: that's funny. Rory then heads to Dean's house after Luke's,
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  Speaker 1: and they chat. He blames himself. for everything that happened,
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  Speaker 1: calls himself an idiot. All right, Jim, we see your
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  Speaker 1: scene here with Lauren Graham at the Dragonfly. What do
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  Speaker 1: you remember about your day on set?
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  Speaker 2: Again, like I mentioned, it was a very controlled mayhem set,
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  Speaker 2: a lot of activity, especially the opening weekend of the Dragonfly.
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  Speaker 2: I do know, like, so I played a lot of
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  Speaker 2: dads in my career, especially I did a lot of commercials,
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  Speaker 2: especially in the early 2000s up I'm always the bumbling dad,
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  Speaker 2: the goofy dad. And so I always try to have
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  Speaker 2: a memory of the kids that I worked with. And
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  Speaker 2: I've worked with dozens and dozens. I've had dozens of
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  Speaker 2: fake children on TV shows. I do remember those two
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  Speaker 2: kids being very kind and very professional. And I had
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  Speaker 2: forgotten on my rewatch that the kids get a subplot.
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  Speaker 2: I thought it was like, oh, it's just a little
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  Speaker 2: brief family moment. And then, oh, no, the kids... keep
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  Speaker 2: going with Michelle and all that stuff was very, very funny.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, I guess I'm just still struck by the, the, the,
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  Speaker 2: the professionalism of the set, the, the positivity on the set.
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  Speaker 2: It was one of the friendlier sets I had been on.
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  Speaker 2: And again, I was just kind of like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I think for guys who come in for like in
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  Speaker 2: my job and just do a scene or two, again,
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  Speaker 2: our job is not to steal focus from the rest
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  Speaker 2: of what's going on. It's to advance a particular plot point.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm not, I guess it was just, again, very
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  Speaker 2: sort of professional. Just, we, I did the scene, few times.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think we did too many takes. And then
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  Speaker 2: it was on to the next setup that I was
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  Speaker 2: not a part of. And so that, that was my day.
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  Speaker 2: And it was a very exceptional day in terms of how,
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  Speaker 2: how happy the day was and how professional the day was. Um,
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  Speaker 2: but I was just in kind of in and out
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  Speaker 2: on that one. So, um, which is what a lot
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  Speaker 2: of my jobs over the years have been.
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  Speaker 1: All right. The way Lindsay's mom went off on Rory
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  Speaker 1: fair or unfair should, should this anger have been taken
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  Speaker 1: out on Dean instead of Rory? What do you think?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I guess we could assume that Maybe Dean got
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  Speaker 2: chewed out separately, maybe by the mother, uh, mother-in-law. Uh, no,
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  Speaker 2: it felt a little righteous to me when I watched it. Um,
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  Speaker 2: I do completely understandable how Rory got caught up with this,
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  Speaker 2: but also there are consequences. And it seems that, you know,
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  Speaker 2: she got a little of, um, comeuppance maybe, but she
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  Speaker 2: probably deserved a good scolding from the mother-in-law. No, that
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  Speaker 2: seemed appropriate and satisfying to me.
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  Speaker 1: Well, as you probably noticed since you were there, Rory
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  Speaker 1: and Lindsay didn't speak one word to each other during
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  Speaker 1: that tongue lashing. Do you think they should have?
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  Speaker 2: Well, again, I don't know where it turns out or
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  Speaker 2: maybe they have it later. I'm not sure. I apologize
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  Speaker 2: to the hardcore fans that I'm not caught up on
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  Speaker 2: the rest of the series. But first off, again, not
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  Speaker 2: knowing much about Lindsay, the character, she seems like a
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  Speaker 2: lovely person. And so I did feel bad for her
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  Speaker 2: and her righteous anger did seem justified to me. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: hopefully they'll have a chat at some point and come
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  Speaker 2: to some sort of understanding.
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  Speaker 1: Well, Rory wrote in the letter to Dean that she
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  Speaker 1: is taking herself out of the equation and he should
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  Speaker 1: work on his marriage. Is it a It's too little
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  Speaker 1: too late for that.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I, it probably is. Cause that was a heck
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  Speaker 2: of a fight they were having, but it certainly was
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  Speaker 2: a decent thing. I thought of Rory to do. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: that was a, uh, like an adult moment for her
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  Speaker 2: that she messed up and then she decided, well, the
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  Speaker 2: best path forward is honesty and decency and, and.
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  Speaker 1: Um, stepping back.
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  Speaker 2: And so, uh, it was certainly due to Rory's credit
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  Speaker 2: that she was willing to do that. So that was admirable.
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  Speaker 1: All right, tell us a little bit about your friends
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  Speaker 1: being excited, especially excited about you appearing on this show.
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  Speaker 1: Have you been recognized by Gilmore fans as you go
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  Speaker 1: shopping or you go to the gas station?
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  Speaker 2: Specifically by a stranger? I don't think so. The type
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  Speaker 2: of career I have where, again, doing commercials as an actor,
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  Speaker 2: the public never learns your name. And popping in briefly
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  Speaker 2: on a TV show, they might learn your name. So
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  Speaker 2: a lot of people don't know me by name as
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  Speaker 2: an actor, even though I've been at this for 25 years.
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  Speaker 2: But I definitely get a lot of interacting with folks
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  Speaker 2: that I don't know going, why do I know you?
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  Speaker 2: Why are you familiar to me? Did we go to
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  Speaker 2: high school together? I get that a lot. And I'm like, no,
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  Speaker 2: I probably didn't go to high school. And then I
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  Speaker 2: feel a little awkward kind of going, well, I'm an actor.
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  Speaker 2: So you probably saw me on something because I could
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  Speaker 2: be wrong. Maybe they just... Saw me walking down the
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  Speaker 2: street the other day. No, I get a lot of
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  Speaker 2: vague recognition all the time. So I don't know that
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  Speaker 2: I've specifically been noticed for Gilmore Girls itself, except by
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  Speaker 2: the friends I have who can't stop texting me when
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  Speaker 2: they are rewatching Gilmore Girls and tell me they just
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  Speaker 2: saw the scene. Including an agent I didn't have at
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  Speaker 2: the time, a current agent, like, you were on Gilmore Girls?
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  Speaker 2: And I'm like, yeah, I was on Gilmore Girls.
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  Speaker 1: What are you doing now? Anything in the offing, in
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  Speaker 1: the can that's going to come out?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it's funny. The business, not to bore two
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  Speaker 2: people too much, is in a rough state for actors
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  Speaker 2: right now and for everyone in Los Angeles specifically because
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  Speaker 2: the work production has slowed so much. So it's a
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  Speaker 2: slow time for me and a lot of my peer actors,
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  Speaker 2: friends of mine who are in the same boat. I've
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  Speaker 2: been fortunate enough to be able to keep working. A
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: couple of things just came out. Criminal Minds, which is
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  Speaker 2: now on Paramount +, I think, an episode there. And
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  Speaker 2: I guess I don't know when it's coming out very soon,
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: but I haven't seen the premiere date. There's a golf
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: comedy on Apple called Swing with Owen Wilson. And season
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  Speaker 2: one is already aired and now season two is in preparation.
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  Speaker 2: So and I shot an early episode of season two.
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  Speaker 2: So whenever that starts airing, I'll be on Swing on Apple.
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  Speaker 2: And beyond that, you know, just knocking out auditions whenever
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  Speaker 2: I can and wait for the next next gig.
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  Speaker 1: So Will Ferrell's Hawk, I guess Hawk, his character, that's
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  Speaker 1: a different show.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's Netflix, I think. I don't think Swing got
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  Speaker 2: a lot of publicity at the time. It's first season,
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  Speaker 2: and I watched the first season, and it was really good,
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  Speaker 2: but I don't remember getting a lot of buzz. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know how second two is going to fare, but
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  Speaker 2: it was another one of those. I was playing a
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  Speaker 2: Stuck up golfer and I was there for a day
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  Speaker 2: out of the golf course in Encino and shot a
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  Speaker 2: couple of scenes and then went about my day.
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  Speaker 1: That's fun. Is that one of the funner jobs that
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  Speaker 1: you've had?
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  Speaker 2: It's interesting. You know, I mentioned how sometimes I just
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: think my job is to come in and do my
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: job and not cause trouble and go home. And other jobs,
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: I want.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: If I get to work more than a couple of
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: days on a show, that is actually helpful. When you
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: come back the second day and people remember you and
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: you say hi to the crew and the other actors, um,
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: there are definitely sets that are a lot more, uh, lively,
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: a lot more fun. And certainly Gilmore girls is one
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: of them because the vibe in that, that dragonfly for
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: my scene was very, it seemed that day. Uh, but yeah,
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: there are certain, there are jobs where occasionally they will,
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: I do, I do a pretty even split between comedy
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: and drama. And sometimes I'll be on a sitcom set and, uh,
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: They'll shoot the scene. Again, I'm just there to do
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: my job. And then they'll go, all right, now let's
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: do a fun run. And a fun run, outside the
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: industry I'm familiar with, basically the principal actors, in this case,
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: it was like one was Parks and Recreation, which I
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: was on about 12 years ago, I think. And they
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: got all the setup shot. They got everything locked. And
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: then they said, OK, now let's just do the fun run.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: And I was a little overwhelmed. It was in a
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: scene around a conference table with Amy Poehler and all
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: the series regulars. And I said, Amy, Amy, is a
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: fun run what I think it is? And she said, yeah, yeah,
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: we're just playing around for a take. Super intimidated for me.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: Also trying not to insert myself too much in all
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: their ad living. But I got off a couple of
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: good lines and one of them made the final edit.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: So that was nice. But yeah, that was one where, again,
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: very brisk and professional and a well-run set. And then
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: they do one goofy thing where everyone has a blast
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: for five or ten minutes. So there are stuff like
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: that where it's a little more lively or I've got
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: a better, you know, I've got a good story to
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: take out of it. So, yeah.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: So that's where all those came from. those viral clips
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: are coming from, from Parks and Recreation. It's those fun
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: run clips.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: I would think so because they went on.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: Have you seen the one that's really viral?
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: Oh, I probably have because I'm a huge Parks and
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: Recreation fan.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: Where, you know, Amy Poehler and Rashida Jones are sitting
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: at a table and they say they want to talk about,
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: you know, celebrities or whomever that have made big comebacks
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: in their career. Oh, gosh. OK.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: And so these are all there's an edit of the
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: sort of outtakes, basically the.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah. And then and then they go around and
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: they bet they bat some names around. Then Chris Pratt
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: has his famous. You know, I won't mention it because
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: it's a little X rated, but OK, it it it
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: broke up. the entire set to the point where they
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: were just like screaming with laughter. Yeah.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: Again, one ad lib I made did get into the
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: final edit. That one, it feels like it went on
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: for five or 10 minutes and not much from that.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: It seemed like, again, this is almost a way for the,
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: the series regulars to blow off a little steam as
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: opposed to, but occasionally they might get a gem, you know,
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: somebody ad lib something and it's perfect. So they include it.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: But I think I had that on, I was on
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: hacks a couple of years ago too. And that was
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: another job like that, where, I was just playing, of
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: all things, I was at a conference with Debra and Ava,
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: the two leads, where they were trying to get the
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: local TV affiliates on board with her being the new
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: late night host. So she had to schmooze with all
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: of us. So I just shot a couple scenes where
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: I'm schmoozing. And then there's a scene where I'm vaguely
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: kind of creepy flirting with Hannah Ambinder, who played Ava.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: And they didn't call cut. after we got it locked.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: And so I sat there for about a pull pause
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: for a few seconds. And then I just said something
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: and they laughed and they're like, okay, keep going. Just
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: keep going. And I think they let me ad lib
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: for 30 minutes being a creep with her. They must've
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: been ahead of schedule that day because they let me
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: just go and go and go. And everyone was very
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: kind and positive. And afterwards, when I was talking to
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: the producers behind the, checking out, I said, well, I
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: don't know if you'd be able to use any of that.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: It was like, oh no, we'll find a way. It
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: was great. And then of course they didn't use any
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: of it, but still an incredibly fun day.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: It's really- But they did that with every scene?
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: No, they did not.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: On Parks and Rec, with every scene you were in.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: Did you- Well, I only really did one scene.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: I guess I did two scenes.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: And the second scene was just me and Amy Poehler
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: and we didn't do a fun run after that.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: You didn't do a fun run, okay. No. Okay.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: It's a lot. It definitely is a nice change of
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: pace from just set up, shoot the scene as scripted.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: Move on. It's a nice way to break up the monotony.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: We never had time for that on Gilmore Girls. We
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: were so pressed for time all of the time. We
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: just had to get to it.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: Can I ask something real quick?
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: Sure.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: So obviously I knew how another thing I was aware
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: of while not really being too deeply engaged with it
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: when it was airing was that It's extremely tightly written
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: and the characters are very hyper articulate and there's a
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: lot of banter and it's very brisk. And I remember
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: somebody saying like in an interview, because I did some
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: back reading on this, that it was pretty expected to
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: be word perfect all the time.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: Oh, all the time.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: Which can be difficult with that much verbiage, especially. Though
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: then I did listen to the podcast you did recently
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: with Julie Dolan, I think the version you did with her.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: And she mentioned something about ad-libbing at one point. You
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: seem surprised. Is that because ad-libbing didn't happen a lot?
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: Didn't happen ever.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: Oh, I wonder what she.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: But maybe she was encouraged in that particular scene or
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: that particular setup to do a little bit, I guess.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: But no, I never heard of anybody ad-libbing anything on Gilmore. Yeah.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: No way. No way, no how. No way.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: I certainly wasn't about to as Mike Crumble.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: Right, right, right, right. Yeah, you know, we had a
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: scene in the diner and there was a nice young kid,
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: 20 years old, whatever, actor. He had one line and
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: he came in the diner and he just had one
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: couple of words, actually. And during rehearsal, he took it
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: upon himself, as all young men do, is they want
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: to get ahead. You know, he recited some monologue that
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: he made up.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: While they were rolling?
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: No, during rehearsal. So I had to.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: How'd that go over?
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: Not well, you know. And I, you know, I had
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: to take them to the side and say, listen, you know,
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: just you can't do that here.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: Admire the effort, kid, but not the place for it.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: It's just we don't know. You know, they they're concerned
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: about the time.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that's what I'm assuming just for editing purposes.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: It's so tightly scripted. Yeah. That you can't veer too much.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: It would seem to me.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And I was tempted many times, but I, you know,
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: of course you don't do that. You don't want to
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: do that.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: What about the, what about the thing that happens a
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: lot on set? So the scene is scripted is done.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: There's a small pause before cut and somebody just throws
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: in a joke. They know, isn't going to make the
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: edit just to make their cast mates laugh. I assume
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: that has happened to people like a little after near
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: the end of the take that, you know, is not
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: going to be used just for fun. Like a zinger
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: here or there.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: Maybe. Oh God.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: Maybe not.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: Huh? I just, we were so to the letter that,
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: that it just, I don't, I mean, maybe it happened
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: a few times. I, you know, we, we would get
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: loopy after about 12 hours, we'd start getting a little
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: punch drunk. I would think. And, you know, just the smallest,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: like if we were in any kind of a situation
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: that was absurd or we knew that, the other actor
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: actress was really tired and couldn't really, couldn't really dredge
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: up her performance. We would find it funny. And then
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: once you start laughing, you can't stop laughing. Cause you feel,
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: you know, this real compassion for the other actor. Yeah.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And you're, and you're, you're punchy. It's late.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: It's late. You're punchy. You can't do it anymore. Your
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: body is shutting down. Yeah. But those, those are the,
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: those are really good memories. Those are really good memories
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: when you're, when your body's breaking down and your mind
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: shuts down.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: But you're having fun with your team.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: So you are, you really are. You really, anyway, listen,
• 26:47
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• 26:53
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• 26:57
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• 26:58
  Speaker 2: Hey, I, I, I can't complain. I mean, I've been
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: working pretty regularly for quite a while now, and maybe
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: I never broke through to where people recognize me by name.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: But in this town, just having a career at all
• 27:12
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• 27:13
  Speaker 1: So, yeah. And you know what? I mean, you know,
• 27:16
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• 27:18
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• 27:20
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• 27:22
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