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- 1:00Speaker 1: and everyone just say their name.
- 1:02Speaker 2: I'm starting with your.
- 1:03Speaker 3: Doors White from Alma, Alma United.
- 1:06Speaker 4: Ian Rankin from Knox Presbyteria.
- 1:10Speaker 1: John Carston's Gail Presbyterian Church in Elmira, and.
- 1:16Speaker 5: I'm Lilianda Rankin, married to Ian rank.
- 1:20Speaker 3: I'm Joyce Gladwell and unfortunately my husband is no long living,
- 1:25Speaker 3: but he was very active. I'll be from Elmara in
- 1:29Speaker 3: Gail Church.
- 1:32Speaker 1: I went home to Canada to visit my mother a
- 1:35Speaker 1: while back, and I asked her to invite a group
- 1:37Speaker 1: of her friends over, so she did. They all showed
- 1:42Speaker 1: up on a March afternoon. Three school teachers, a flight attendant,
- 1:46Speaker 1: a family therapist, all somewhere between their late seventies and
- 1:50Speaker 1: early nineties, all long retired. They sat drinking my mother's
- 1:55Speaker 1: tea around her dining room table and tried to remember
- 1:58Speaker 1: the time three strangers arrived in our little town in
- 2:02Speaker 1: southern Ontario. You know the famous story about my father
- 2:07Speaker 1: picking people up in Ordle make this up and driving
- 2:10Speaker 1: so quickly from the airport that they were terrified by
- 2:12Speaker 1: the time they rock. He was a man of a
- 2:17Speaker 1: heavy foots, this crazy englishman. We were talking about December
- 2:25Speaker 1: nineteen seventy nine, when my brothers and I were teenagers,
- 2:29Speaker 1: too young at the time to truly understand acts of
- 2:31Speaker 1: kindness and how they work.
- 2:33Speaker 6: I think people stepped up when they felt there was
- 2:36Speaker 6: something that they could do. And that's why, to go
- 2:38Speaker 6: back to your other question, who helped? A whole bunch
- 2:43Speaker 6: of people helped me, and they came up because they felt, oh,
- 2:46Speaker 6: I can do it that I had.
- 2:50Speaker 1: My name is Malcolm Gladwell. You're listening to Revisionist History,
- 2:54Speaker 1: my podcast about things overlooked and misunderstood This episode is
- 2:59Speaker 1: about the time my parents and a group of their
- 3:01Speaker 1: friends agreed to sponsor three refugees from Vietnam, a teenager
- 3:07Speaker 1: named Vaughan, his older o King, and a young woman
- 3:10Speaker 1: named Lelan. Three strangers who showed up on our doorstep
- 3:15Speaker 1: one day.
- 3:20Speaker 2: How many people were in your group in total?
- 3:25Speaker 6: That's almost an impossible question to ask, because if you
- 3:30Speaker 6: look at it, when we would have a meeting, what
- 3:33Speaker 6: we might have ten people at the most.
- 3:37Speaker 2: But he's the people who.
- 3:38Speaker 6: Were out behind giving the money.
- 3:42Speaker 2: The people who were there.
- 3:44Speaker 6: When they came were totally different people.
- 3:50Speaker 1: Their group didn't have a name. It wasn't a legal entity.
- 3:54Speaker 1: Everyone said. The minister of my parents' church, a man
- 3:57Speaker 1: named Jack Boyne, was one of the ringleaders. But Jack
- 4:00Speaker 1: Boyne didn't do the paperwork acquired by the government. That
- 4:03Speaker 1: was someone else, and lots of other churches were involved
- 4:06Speaker 1: as well. Around my mother's dining room, the details were
- 4:10Speaker 1: vague because they were vague back then. These were ordinary
- 4:14Speaker 1: people going about a big task by ordinary means.
- 4:18Speaker 7: And the potlarks and pot larks, and there were a
- 4:22Speaker 7: lot of people there.
- 4:25Speaker 1: In the small towns of southern Ontario. Nothing of any
- 4:28Speaker 1: consequence is accomplished without potlocked dinners. There are an estimated
- 4:35Speaker 1: twenty million refugees in the world whose lives had been
- 4:39Speaker 1: uprooted by one crisis after another, the Russian war against Ukraine,
- 4:44Speaker 1: the US retreat from Afghanistan, the obliteration of Syria. Every
- 4:48Speaker 1: era has its own humanitarian crises, and in the late
- 4:52Speaker 1: nineteen seventies, the attention of the world was on Southeast Asia.
- 5:02Speaker 1: After the end of the Vietnam War, when the Communists
- 5:05Speaker 1: took over what had been South Vietnam, the new government
- 5:09Speaker 1: turned on the country's ethnic Chinese. Eight hundred thousand people
- 5:13Speaker 1: fled Vietnam, escaping across the Gulf of Thailand in overcrowded boats.
- 5:18Speaker 1: Somewhere between two hundred and four hundred thousand of them
- 5:22Speaker 1: died at sea. The survivors were called boat people. In response,
- 5:30Speaker 1: a group of Canadian religious organizations approached the Canadian government
- 5:34Speaker 1: with an idea. The pool of people the Canadian refugee
- 5:37Speaker 1: system deemed worthy of resettlement was clearly much larger than
- 5:41Speaker 1: the pool of people the government was actually willing to
- 5:43Speaker 1: let in. So why not let private citizens handle the overflow,
- 5:48Speaker 1: Let small groups of people get together bring refugees into
- 5:51Speaker 1: their communities and take responsibility for finding them homes and jobs.
- 5:57Speaker 1: The idea wasn't to replace the government's own formal refugee system,
- 6:01Speaker 1: but too augmented.
- 6:05Speaker 8: That was a real sticking point in the early years.
- 6:08Speaker 8: A lot of groups said, we don't want to do
- 6:10Speaker 8: something that we think the government should be doing.
- 6:12Speaker 1: That's Brian Dyke, who works with the Mennonite Central Committee
- 6:16Speaker 1: and the Refugee Hub at the University of Ottawa.
- 6:18Speaker 8: So they talked about what we often call additionality. This
- 6:22Speaker 8: has to be in addition to what the government is
- 6:25Speaker 8: doing already. It's a principle I think the Government of
- 6:27Speaker 8: Canada continues to hold you.
- 6:29Speaker 1: The result is that in recent years, the number of
- 6:32Speaker 1: refugees who come to Canada with private support dwarfs the
- 6:36Speaker 1: number who come in through official channels, and Canada currently
- 6:39Speaker 1: resettles more refugees on a per capita basis than almost
- 6:43Speaker 1: any other country in the world. The Vietnamese refugees who
- 6:47Speaker 1: came to my hometown, Kang Vaughan and Lelan, were both
- 6:51Speaker 1: people in nineteen seventy nine. They were all in a
- 6:55Speaker 1: camp on a tiny island off the coast of Malaysia.
- 6:59Speaker 9: This is about one kilomeda square and about forty thousand
- 7:07Speaker 9: Vietnamese refuge I live in that island, so very small.
- 7:13Speaker 1: That's Vaughan Wuyn remembering this story. How long were you
- 7:16Speaker 1: in that camp.
- 7:19Speaker 4: As?
- 7:19Speaker 9: Then that came for ten months, from January until October.
- 7:25Speaker 1: Then in the fall they got word they'd been accepted
- 7:29Speaker 1: to Canada through the private route sponsored by the Rankins.
- 7:33Speaker 1: Doris White, Joan Carstan's and my parents and all the
- 7:37Speaker 1: others who came to the potluck dinners in our little
- 7:39Speaker 1: town in southern Ontario. Tell me about arriving in Canada.
- 7:43Speaker 1: What was that like?
- 7:45Speaker 9: Happy, sad, loneley, and worry. Happy because I have a
- 7:59Speaker 9: contree to accept me. So they opened the door and
- 8:04Speaker 9: accept a refugee, and I can stack a new life, freedom,
- 8:11Speaker 9: so I don't have to worry about my past in
- 8:15Speaker 9: Vietnam or I live in the Kim Sad because I
- 8:23Speaker 9: still help my father and my auther brothers and to
- 8:30Speaker 9: assist those there and Vietnam.
- 8:34Speaker 1: Happy, sad, lonely and worry. I remember Vaughn and his
- 8:38Speaker 1: brother from that year. They ended up at my high
- 8:41Speaker 1: school walking the halls in clothes they had been given
- 8:44Speaker 1: for the unimaginably cold Canadian winter, both of them thin
- 8:48Speaker 1: and quiet, trying to get an education in a language
- 8:51Speaker 1: they had only started learning a few months before. King
- 8:57Speaker 1: and Vaughan ended up going to one of the best
- 8:59Speaker 1: universities in Canada got good jobs. Their friend the Land meanwhile,
- 9:04Speaker 1: met another Vietnamese refugee while playing musical chairs at an
- 9:07Speaker 1: event organized by one of the sponsoring churches. The two
- 9:11Speaker 1: got married, had children who grew up Canadian.
- 9:15Speaker 10: I think one of the most fondest memories we have
- 9:17Speaker 10: with our mom was just a trip that we took
- 9:20Speaker 10: with her to Ottawa.
- 9:21Speaker 1: That's Leland's son, David Haw, who teaches at the University
- 9:24Speaker 1: of Waterloo.
- 9:25Speaker 10: So back in twenty twelve we went to celebrate Canada
- 9:28Speaker 10: Day with her and just as a family, and she
- 9:32Speaker 10: never stopped talking about that trip. So a year after years,
- 9:37Speaker 10: shard to say, hey, do you remember that time when
- 9:38Speaker 10: we visited the capital just to enjoy the fireworks and
- 9:42Speaker 10: just to be with others that are just proud to
- 9:44Speaker 10: be with Canada.
- 9:47Speaker 1: I'm sharing all this not just because it's an immigration
- 9:50Speaker 1: story with a happy ending. This is a certain kind
- 9:54Speaker 1: of story, a kind that I think we too often overlook.
- 10:12Speaker 1: I have an older brother named Jeffrey, who lives in
- 10:15Speaker 1: a town very close to where we grew up. In
- 10:18Speaker 1: case you're wondering, my brother and I are very different.
- 10:21Speaker 1: I like to talk about how to fix things. He
- 10:24Speaker 1: actually fixes things. In a crisis, I waved my hands
- 10:31Speaker 1: in the air. Jeffrey disappears for an hour and emerges
- 10:34Speaker 1: with a solution on a desert island. Given the choice,
- 10:38Speaker 1: you might pick me for company because I could amuse
- 10:41Speaker 1: you for an afternoon with my theories. But when the
- 10:43Speaker 1: sun starts to set and you're hungry and thirsty and
- 10:47Speaker 1: have nowhere to sleep, you realize, oh, I picked a
- 10:51Speaker 1: wrong Gladwell. Jeffrey was for many years the principal of
- 10:57Speaker 1: an elementary school in a city called Kitchener. The school
- 11:00Speaker 1: had four hundred students. If you're an elementary school principal
- 11:04Speaker 1: in a country that lets in lots of refugees, chances
- 11:07Speaker 1: are you'll have some of them as students in your school,
- 11:10Speaker 1: and he did. I called up my brother to ask
- 11:13Speaker 1: him about it.
- 11:15Speaker 4: At one point we had I think twenty percent of
- 11:18Speaker 4: our school population were Syrian refugees.
- 11:23Speaker 1: You had, so if you had foreigner students are you
- 11:25Speaker 1: saying you had eighty Syrian refugees in your school.
- 11:28Speaker 4: Eighty Yeah, eighty Syrian refugees on top of probably another
- 11:34Speaker 4: seventy to eighty ESL students, immigrants, refugees from other places.
- 11:42Speaker 4: I think the biggest thing the first thing we saw
- 11:45Speaker 4: was was trauma Like that was really where it kind
- 11:48Speaker 4: of hit the idea of a trauma informed approach. So
- 11:52Speaker 4: when kids are acting out, when they're being violent, or
- 11:56Speaker 4: when they're crying, or they're withdrawing or you know, maybe
- 11:59Speaker 4: stealing things, you have to look at their experience from
- 12:05Speaker 4: camps or from war and say, Okay, maybe these learned responses,
- 12:10Speaker 4: Maybe these are survival responses, and we have to look
- 12:13Speaker 4: at them that way rather than looking at them as
- 12:15Speaker 4: undesirable behaviors that you have to suspend somebody for or
- 12:18Speaker 4: something like that.
- 12:19Speaker 1: This makes sense. You're taking kids from troubled parts of
- 12:23Speaker 1: the world. You have the obligation to deal with the consequences.
- 12:26Speaker 1: Jeffrey said that when a Canadian kid and a refugee
- 12:29Speaker 1: kid will get into a fight on the playground, you'd
- 12:32Speaker 1: have to figure out how to make sense of what
- 12:33Speaker 1: happened because only one of them spoke English. That was
- 12:37Speaker 1: a little tricky, but not that tricky. The school board
- 12:40Speaker 1: gave him lots of resources. He says, there was a
- 12:43Speaker 1: really brilliant ESL teacher at his school. Plus these refugees
- 12:47Speaker 1: were little kids.
- 12:48Speaker 4: They adapted, They learned English incredibly quickly for the most part,
- 12:54Speaker 4: and then you started to see their personalities coming through
- 12:59Speaker 4: and it really enriched the school in that way. We
- 13:04Speaker 4: had an incredible remembrance Day service with students who had
- 13:10Speaker 4: experienced war and talking about what it means to experience
- 13:13Speaker 4: war and showing their pictures of what it really is
- 13:20Speaker 4: like to experience and this is my house, this is
- 13:23Speaker 4: my house before it was bombed, this is my house
- 13:25Speaker 4: after it was bombed. I mean, that was incredibly, incredibly
- 13:29Speaker 4: moving and really sort of brought the whole experience that
- 13:34Speaker 4: these students had home for the students in the school.
- 13:39Speaker 1: What about the teachers. Did you have any kind of
- 13:42Speaker 1: interesting or unexpected reactions from the teachers who were teaching
- 13:47Speaker 1: these kids.
- 13:48Speaker 4: No, again, you don't go to that school. That's not
- 13:52Speaker 4: what you want to do. My job was to say
- 13:55Speaker 4: to these teachers, look, you need to just get these
- 13:57Speaker 4: kids into the classroom. You need to make them feel
- 13:59Speaker 4: at home. You need to make them feel loved, to
- 14:01Speaker 4: feel welcome in the community, and we'll get around to
- 14:05Speaker 4: learning when they're ready. That's that's the message you have
- 14:08Speaker 4: to give, not you know, worrying about whether these kids
- 14:13Speaker 4: can fit in or not.
- 14:15Speaker 1: You need to make them feel loved, not worry about
- 14:18Speaker 1: whether they'll fit in. Jeffrey didn't think that dealing with
- 14:22Speaker 1: the refugee children required any heroics. It just required lots
- 14:27Speaker 1: of people doing their bit. A generous school board, a
- 14:30Speaker 1: really good eesl teacher, and parents who believe that seeing
- 14:34Speaker 1: a picture of a classmate's bombed out house is a
- 14:37Speaker 1: valuable learning experience. You open your mind, you open your heart.
- 14:48Speaker 1: Once you start looking for this pattern of many small
- 14:51Speaker 1: acts of kindness adding up to a lot, you start
- 14:54Speaker 1: to see it in all kinds of places. I'm thinking
- 14:57Speaker 1: about a very moving account that I stumbled across in
- 15:00Speaker 1: the archives of the United States Holocaust Museum.
- 15:04Speaker 9: What kind of clothes did you wear?
- 15:07Speaker 5: I was wearing ordinary. They smelled, stink terrible. I didn't
- 15:13Speaker 5: have anything except I was veering.
- 15:18Speaker 1: It's the oral history of a man named chio Reichmann,
- 15:21Speaker 1: who escaped the Treblinka concentration camp in nineteen forty three.
- 15:25Speaker 1: He was part of a group that set fire to
- 15:26Speaker 1: the camp and he slipped out in the chaos, which
- 15:29Speaker 1: put him and a small band of other escapees in
- 15:33Speaker 1: the middle of Nazi occupied Poland. Fugitives huddling in a forest.
- 15:38Speaker 5: I looked like a living skeleton.
- 15:41Speaker 1: Now listen to what happened next.
- 15:44Speaker 5: And we decided during deny it to go to a farm,
- 15:49Speaker 5: to a peasant and ask for food. Some decent people
- 15:54Speaker 5: helped us.
- 15:55Speaker 1: They were starving and someone gave them food. Reikmann decided
- 16:00Speaker 1: that their best hope of survival was to walk to Warsaw,
- 16:03Speaker 1: which was more than fifty miles away. He meets a
- 16:06Speaker 1: second farmer who feeds him and give some directions to Warsaw.
- 16:11Speaker 1: On the way, he runs into a third man.
- 16:16Speaker 5: The men passed and asked me, are you a Jew?
- 16:21Speaker 5: I said yes. This Christian man, who was working in
- 16:26Speaker 5: the opposite direction from where I came, turned back and said,
- 16:32Speaker 5: I'm taking you to my home. His wife looked at me.
- 16:36Speaker 5: She ordered me to take off my shild shirt and
- 16:41Speaker 5: gave me a clean one. You know what she said
- 16:45Speaker 5: to me, this is my husband only extra sheild. They
- 16:50Speaker 5: gave it to me. They gave me a hurty meal
- 16:53Speaker 5: and inquired about my plans.
- 16:57Speaker 1: Reichman stayed with the family for two weeks. Gaining strength,
- 17:01Speaker 1: he left them and met a smuggler. The smuggler gave
- 17:04Speaker 1: him a ride. He got to Warsaw, went to see
- 17:07Speaker 1: someone he knew from before the war who was in
- 17:09Speaker 1: the Polish resistance. His old friend was petrified.
- 17:14Speaker 5: He wasn't able to sleep or even because of fear
- 17:17Speaker 5: that he is hiding a jewel.
- 17:19Speaker 1: Reikman told his friend, I can't blame you, But as
- 17:22Speaker 1: he was leaving, his friend gave him papers identifying him
- 17:26Speaker 1: as an employee of the railroad. Now Reichman could pretend
- 17:29Speaker 1: he wasn't Jewish.
- 17:31Speaker 5: This document saved my life. I used it all the time.
- 17:36Speaker 1: The story keeps going on and on. A woman and
- 17:39Speaker 1: her husband let him sleep under their bed. Someone else
- 17:42Speaker 1: had a fallen down shack where Reikman stayed for a bit.
- 17:45Speaker 1: Someone else knew an empty apartment in Warsaw and let
- 17:48Speaker 1: him stay there. He met a watchman befriended him. The
- 17:52Speaker 1: guard invited him home for dinner, gave him a job
- 17:55Speaker 1: a place to stay. It was winter, freezing cold the
- 18:01Speaker 1: final days of the war. Warsaw was in chaos. Reikman
- 18:05Speaker 1: was huddled with a group of people in an abandoned building.
- 18:09Speaker 5: We almost did not survive. We were hungry, cold, desplendent.
- 18:13Speaker 5: But one a night a men discovered a hiding place.
- 18:16Speaker 1: The man asked them, are you hungry? He took them
- 18:19Speaker 1: to a warehouse and opened the door.
- 18:21Speaker 5: And we cared of a couple of hundred pounds of
- 18:24Speaker 5: food and clothes that lasted this until the day of liberation.
- 18:30Speaker 1: By my count Cheo. Reichman survived the war because of
- 18:33Speaker 1: eleven acts of kindness. The keyword here is kindness. The
- 18:40Speaker 1: biggest act we can perform for another is sacrifice, where
- 18:45Speaker 1: we surrender something important for someone else, where we take
- 18:48Speaker 1: a risk for someone else. The step below that is generosity,
- 18:53Speaker 1: where we surrender some share of our time or resources
- 18:56Speaker 1: for another. Kindness is entry level caring. Kindness is just
- 19:03Speaker 1: a temporary suspension of indifference. The biblical story of the
- 19:08Speaker 1: Good Samaritan is a story about kindness. The Good Samaritan
- 19:11Speaker 1: finds an injured man by the side of the road, stops,
- 19:15Speaker 1: bandages him up, and takes him on the back of
- 19:17Speaker 1: his donkey to a nearby inn, where he gives him
- 19:20Speaker 1: to the innkeeper with some money to pay for his care.
- 19:23Speaker 1: The good Samartan doesn't fight off a band of hoodlum's
- 19:26Speaker 1: single handedly or sneak the injured man past an enemy checkpoint.
- 19:31Speaker 1: He's kind, not brave. Of the eleven acts that saved
- 19:35Speaker 1: Chio Reichman's life, almost all are of the good Samaritan variety.
- 19:40Speaker 1: His rescuers aren't brave. They're terrified. They give him some
- 19:44Speaker 1: food and a temporary place to stay because they think
- 19:47Speaker 1: it's too risky to do anything more. This is why
- 19:51Speaker 1: I think it's so easy to feel underwhelmed by kindness.
- 19:54Speaker 1: It feels so inadequate, so random. Reikman sounds like he
- 19:59Speaker 1: just got lucky. When it comes to helping people in
- 20:05Speaker 1: dire need, we prefer organized, big time, high commitment acts
- 20:10Speaker 1: of generosity, where we don't leave things to chance. For example,
- 20:16Speaker 1: America's refugee policy, which is the perfect illustration of the
- 20:20Speaker 1: anti good Samaritant approach. Nothing is left to chance. Helping
- 20:24Speaker 1: isn't informal and personal, it's systematized in order to ensure
- 20:30Speaker 1: that only the most deserving of displaced people come to
- 20:33Speaker 1: the US. The American Refugee Resettlement Program mandates a health check,
- 20:38Speaker 1: a background check, an eligibility check, and multiple interviews. The
- 20:42Speaker 1: Department of Homeland Securities involved, the State Department, the intelligence community,
- 20:47Speaker 1: all of whom weigh in. The parents get interviewed, then
- 20:50Speaker 1: the child separately to make sure their stories match. And finally,
- 20:55Speaker 1: for those few refugees who do trickle through this process,
- 20:59Speaker 1: there's another layer of bureaucracy to protect them against the
- 21:03Speaker 1: potentially nefarious intentions of whatever group may be taking them in.
- 21:10Speaker 11: There's a grave concern that people are going to be
- 21:13Speaker 11: brought over here and they're not going to be supported
- 21:16Speaker 11: the way that we would want people to be supported
- 21:20Speaker 11: in the United States.
- 21:21Speaker 1: That's David Beer, an immigration policy analyst with a Cato
- 21:25Speaker 1: Foundation in Washington, d c.
- 21:27Speaker 11: That they would be you know, living in squalor in
- 21:31Speaker 11: somebody's basement, or you know, not have enough spoons for
- 21:37Speaker 11: everyone in the family, so they be sharing spoons.
- 21:40Speaker 1: You're serious. There is a regulation about the minimum number
- 21:44Speaker 1: of spoons necessary for us.
- 21:46Speaker 11: Yes, everything is very carefully monitored. And you know, God
- 21:54Speaker 11: forbid that you are so lax. It's only to bring
- 21:57Speaker 11: four spoons to a party of five.
- 22:00Speaker 1: You can do things that way and tie yourself in
- 22:03Speaker 1: knots and end up barely letting in any refugees at all.
- 22:07Speaker 1: Or you can just have faith in the good that
- 22:09Speaker 1: can come out of the other end of the generosity scale,
- 22:12Speaker 1: the way it did back in my hometown. When Kang, Vaughan,
- 22:16Speaker 1: and Leeland arrived, someone with a big house and lots
- 22:24Speaker 1: of empty bedrooms took the three of them in for
- 22:26Speaker 1: a few weeks. An apartment was found for them in Elmira,
- 22:30Speaker 1: a little town where I grew up. Leeland said she
- 22:33Speaker 1: wanted to get a job, so Joan got her job
- 22:35Speaker 1: at a local clothing factory. Everyone, including my own family,
- 22:39Speaker 1: took turns in the early years inviting them over for dinner.
- 22:43Speaker 1: Was that sacrifice, please? My father had an endless stream
- 22:47Speaker 1: of grad students from overseas who were always coming over
- 22:50Speaker 1: for dinner on the weekends.
- 22:53Speaker 10: It was just to have the people around her like
- 22:56Speaker 10: your parents, like Graham and Joyce, just to kind of
- 23:00Speaker 10: welcome her in and to bring her to community events
- 23:03Speaker 10: and help her learn the language and things like that.
- 23:06Speaker 1: That's David Hoggin remembering what all those invitations meant to
- 23:10Speaker 1: his mother.
- 23:12Speaker 10: For me, you need just to hear stories from my
- 23:14Speaker 10: mom of just the small things, those mundane things that
- 23:17Speaker 10: really stood out to her that I don't think people
- 23:20Speaker 10: would normally even talk.
- 23:21Speaker 1: About little things, mundane things, not big things. But remember
- 23:27Speaker 1: the lesson of ChIL Reichmann. Lots of people doing little
- 23:31Speaker 1: things can very quickly add up to a lot. When
- 23:35Speaker 1: King and Vaughan were finishing high school, my mom remembers
- 23:38Speaker 1: that the guidance counselor called my dad.
- 23:41Speaker 3: And he said, what are you doing with these boys?
- 23:44Speaker 3: They are in grade twelve. They have to go to
- 23:47Speaker 3: university because they have got eighty percent in calculus and
- 23:53Speaker 3: we don't give marks away.
- 23:56Speaker 1: Just so you know, eighty percent in calculus at my
- 23:59Speaker 1: high school in those years put you near the top
- 24:01Speaker 1: of the class.
- 24:02Speaker 3: Well, Graham had the inside knowledge of where to get money.
- 24:05Speaker 3: You see, you can get you can get bursaries, scholarships,
- 24:09Speaker 3: things like that. You know where to look, and so
- 24:12Speaker 3: he must have pulled a number of strings. Because they
- 24:15Speaker 3: were both at Waterloo with Graham, and they got their bas.
- 24:20Speaker 1: Graham had inside knowledge. But then again, Graham was a
- 24:24Speaker 1: math professor at the University of Waterloo, and here his
- 24:27Speaker 1: task was to help two young people who were really
- 24:30Speaker 1: good at math get into the University of Waterloo. This
- 24:33Speaker 1: was not a heavy lift. And before any of this,
- 24:37Speaker 1: there was the problem of bringing Vaughan King and Leland
- 24:39Speaker 1: to Canada in the first place. Someone had to do
- 24:42Speaker 1: the paperwork. Now, if my mom had to do the paperwork,
- 24:46Speaker 1: that would have been an act of courage. But Ian
- 24:48Speaker 1: Rankin does the paperwork.
- 24:50Speaker 6: I remember having to go down and interview or be
- 24:54Speaker 6: interviewed by somebody in Duke Street.
- 24:58Speaker 1: I'm sure it was a complicated process that took many,
- 25:01Speaker 1: many hours. But my sense is that Ian Rankin is
- 25:04Speaker 1: the kind of person for whom successfully navigating a complex
- 25:07Speaker 1: bureaucracy is a of pleasure.
- 25:10Speaker 6: None of that stuff was anything that's sort of the
- 25:15Speaker 6: organizing committee delegated. It just was who could do it.
- 25:23Speaker 3: I'm learning for the first time what your role is
- 25:25Speaker 3: and I have wondered many times, how was this engineer?
- 25:30Speaker 3: Do you know? And what were the links with the government?
- 25:33Speaker 3: Now I'm learning for the first.
- 25:34Speaker 1: Time if I can break in here. This is a
- 25:37Speaker 1: very joyce glabal moment, her surprise discovery of some formal
- 25:41Speaker 1: bureaucratic structure beneath what she thought was just people interacting
- 25:45Speaker 1: with each other. And then my mom volunteered this.
- 25:49Speaker 3: I was a stranger and I had to be taken
- 25:52Speaker 3: in myself. So I know what I felt like, you know,
- 25:55Speaker 3: going to England as a student and experiencing hospitality from
- 26:03Speaker 3: churches and organizations like that. So the sense of being
- 26:08Speaker 3: straight in another culture was something I understood very killing.
- 26:22Speaker 1: My mother came from Jamaica to England in the nineteen fifties,
- 26:26Speaker 1: an unfamiliar place, a new culture. That phrase she used,
- 26:30Speaker 1: I was a stranger and I had to be taken
- 26:33Speaker 1: in myself is a reference to a Bible verse that
- 26:36Speaker 1: everyone around that table knew very well, Matthew twenty five,
- 26:40Speaker 1: Verse thirty five, for I was hungry and you gave
- 26:44Speaker 1: me food. I was thirsty and you gave me something
- 26:47Speaker 1: to drink. I was a stranger and you welcomed me.
- 26:58Speaker 1: Heroic rescues can have huge and dramatic effects, but they're
- 27:02Speaker 1: very difficult to replicate. The group around my mother's dining
- 27:06Speaker 1: room table were non heroic rescuers, and there is nothing
- 27:10Speaker 1: they did that couldn't be done by any like minded
- 27:14Speaker 1: group of ordinary people.
- 27:16Speaker 3: So we give credit to those people. Jack Boy and Graham,
- 27:21Speaker 3: Oh definitely.
- 27:24Speaker 1: Yes. And you I want you to do all of
- 27:27Speaker 1: us to read in unison like.
- 27:33Speaker 2: Chips.
- 27:40Speaker 7: I was hungry and you gave me food. I was
- 27:44Speaker 7: thirsty and you gave me something to drink. I was
- 27:48Speaker 7: a stranger and you welcomed me. I was naked and
- 27:53Speaker 7: you gave me clothing. I was sick and you took
- 27:56Speaker 7: care of me. I was in prison and you visited me.
- 28:01Speaker 7: Then the righteous will answer him.
- 28:04Speaker 1: Lord, tell me the story about that girl.
- 28:29Speaker 2: Do you remember? Oh?
- 28:30Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know if I can tell that story
- 28:36Speaker 4: and hold it together.
- 28:38Speaker 1: When my brother Jeffrey was principal of the elementary school
- 28:41Speaker 1: in Kitchener, one of his youngest students, a Syrian refugee,
- 28:46Speaker 1: was inconsolable.
- 28:48Speaker 4: Yeah, she was. This little girl came in to kindergarten
- 28:55Speaker 4: and she came in on the first day and she
- 29:00Speaker 4: was just wailing, like just wailing like crazy, and the
- 29:07Speaker 4: parents didn't seem to know what to do with her
- 29:09Speaker 4: because they were just at a loss. What's going on.
- 29:13Speaker 4: We don't understand, and we did, as we do with
- 29:15Speaker 4: any child who's crying in kindergarten. We work with the parent,
- 29:19Speaker 4: we'll look after child. It's okay, So we give them
- 29:22Speaker 4: encouragement and usually they come in. Five minutes later, they
- 29:27Speaker 4: stopped crying and they're fine, except that didn't happen with her.
- 29:31Speaker 4: She just kept wailing and it was heart heart wrenching.
- 29:39Speaker 4: So we went into class and my ESL teacher was there, Tracy,
- 29:45Speaker 4: and I just said, look, just hold her, and so
- 29:48Speaker 4: she held her on her lap and she was still
- 29:53Speaker 4: just crying, and I thought, okay, what am I going
- 29:57Speaker 4: to do? So I just knelt down in front of her,
- 29:59Speaker 4: and I just started to hum and I was humming
- 30:13Speaker 4: that the Universal lullaby and stopped. She stopped crying. She
- 30:24Speaker 4: was looking at me, just just looking right through me.
- 30:27Speaker 4: She stopped, She got off Tracy's lap. She took my
- 30:32Speaker 4: hand and she didn't let go for an hour. She
- 30:59Speaker 4: walked with me around the school and she had a
- 31:02Speaker 4: death grip on my finger, and she kept up with me.
- 31:06Speaker 4: She just ran beside me and kept going and we
- 31:09Speaker 4: walked around the school. We visited all the classroom and
- 31:13Speaker 4: then we sat in another little conference room and she
- 31:16Speaker 4: drew pictures for me, and I was drawing pictures for her,
- 31:20Speaker 4: and she was talking to me and I was talking
- 31:22Speaker 4: to her, and we didn't understand what.
- 31:24Speaker 2: We were saying.
- 31:25Speaker 4: And then I Finally, about an hour and a half later,
- 31:29Speaker 4: I took her back to her class and she was fine.
- 31:32Speaker 4: And the next day the real kid arrived to me.
- 31:36Speaker 4: She walked into the school and she just strode into
- 31:41Speaker 4: the classroom like she was ready to take on the world.
- 31:45Speaker 4: And that was the kid the parents knew. Every time
- 31:50Speaker 4: I was in the primary hall, in that kindergarten hall,
- 31:52Speaker 4: and I went there a lot, just wandering around, she
- 31:56Speaker 4: would be looking at the door, and if I came
- 31:58Speaker 4: into the classroom, she would launch herself across the room
- 32:01Speaker 4: and give me a hug. Every time for the rest
- 32:05Speaker 4: of the year.
- 32:07Speaker 1: Our parents and their friends open their hearts to three
- 32:10Speaker 1: refugees in need. My brother witnessed that act and then
- 32:15Speaker 1: forty five years later, opens his heart to another in need.
- 32:20Speaker 1: Kindness leads to kindness working.
- 32:24Speaker 4: With that child and seeing what you can do when
- 32:31Speaker 4: you show love and support and welcome to somebody. And
- 32:37Speaker 4: and yeah, that that that that was, I mean, the
- 32:42Speaker 4: pinnacle of my career. I think in many ways, I'll
- 32:46Speaker 4: never forget her.
- 32:49Speaker 1: I was a stranger and you welcome me.
- 32:53Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 33:07Speaker 1: Revisionist History is produced by Elobie's Leeman Gesteu and Jacob Smith,
- 33:11Speaker 1: with Tolly Emlin and Harrison vj Choi. Our editor is
- 33:15Speaker 1: Julia Barton. Our executive producer is miel Label. Original scoring
- 33:20Speaker 1: by Luis Karra, mastering by Flon Williams and engineering by
- 33:24Speaker 1: Nina Lawrence. Fact checking by Keishaw Williams. Special thanks to
- 33:29Speaker 1: Sasha Matthias and Salmana had Khan for production help on
- 33:33Speaker 1: this episode. I'm Malcolm Glava.