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The OTHER Ben from Indiana · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
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  Speaker 1: with i R Radio. It's time for the Almost Famous podcast.
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  Speaker 1: I am in Nashville, Tennessee. I just arrived about ten
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  Speaker 1: minutes ago. Getting ready now for my wedding this Saturday. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: I said last week I didn't know if i'd be
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  Speaker 1: here or not. But I just can't stay away for
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  Speaker 1: that long. I thought two weeks off was too much. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: And Plus, Ashley, I had to hear in person about
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  Speaker 1: your big news. You and Jared have had huge, huge
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  Speaker 1: news this week that I thought, uh that I really
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  Speaker 1: just want to hear about. Oh, it's been a big
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  Speaker 1: week for us. One we have Well, there's two weddings
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  Speaker 1: in our lives this weekend, one being Ben's. Jared has
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  Speaker 1: his other best friends, the one the girl who signed
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  Speaker 1: him up for The Bachelor. That wedding is the day
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  Speaker 1: before in Cancoun and he's just going to be a flying,
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  Speaker 1: crazy mess. Um. I'm not going to Cancoun because I
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  Speaker 1: don't know that would be the best for me in
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  Speaker 1: this third trimester as I approach it. This week, Um,
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  Speaker 1: I'm burying the lead. Jared, I became aunt and uncle
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  Speaker 1: last night. So cute. We haven't met our niece yet though. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: the COVID restrictions are really strict. It's all like kind
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  Speaker 1: of dependent on hospital and maybe state, I'm not sure,
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  Speaker 1: Like the hospital I'm delivering at, but that's not an issue.
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  Speaker 1: Like my sister and Jared can be in the delivery room,
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  Speaker 1: I can have like one other person, like my parents
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  Speaker 1: can visit, but like at the hospital and she's at
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  Speaker 1: we can't. So babies are just gonna be all over
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  Speaker 1: the placens. Yeah, it's so crazy. We were a trimester apart,
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  Speaker 1: which was really fun. We were like exactly thirteen weeks apart,
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  Speaker 1: which is crazy. Well, congratulations you guys and the Haven family.
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  Speaker 1: That's just um, such a cool deal and what a
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  Speaker 1: thing to celebrate. And then yeah, I have a lot
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  Speaker 1: of love for Jerry um the fact that he's even
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  Speaker 1: trying and he will but he's attempting to make it
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  Speaker 1: to the wedding, which is such a will no attempts here.
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  Speaker 1: I know, It's just cool. It's a big deal that
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  Speaker 1: he's even doing it, and uh, who Jared is right,
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  Speaker 1: very important weddings they are. I get that. But in
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  Speaker 1: the midst of setting up a business, in the midst
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  Speaker 1: of two weddings, He's still gonna make happen. And we
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  Speaker 1: just need to take a second to realize that Jared's
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  Speaker 1: just Jared's is the best, Like he's just a good dude.
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  Speaker 1: He's the best, and he's been working his butt off
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  Speaker 1: so it'll all pay off soon. But yeah, well, tell
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  Speaker 1: me about the opening of the Generous Shop in Soho. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so we uh there's a shop and in Soho now
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  Speaker 1: on West Broadway. It's I just got back today. Um
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  Speaker 1: it's serving generous coffee. It's called the Good Market. So
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  Speaker 1: the Good Market is a place where thirty different four
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  Speaker 1: purpose brands are being represented underneath one roof. So you
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  Speaker 1: can walk in and you can buy um some of
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  Speaker 1: the brains that you might even know, like Sackcloth and ashes,
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  Speaker 1: an able and Generous Um mud Love, which is a
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  Speaker 1: really popular pottery company out of Worth Sunday and actually
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  Speaker 1: but it's everywhere now and so you can walk in
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  Speaker 1: and buy him. And in the back the Generous coffee
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  Speaker 1: is being served up at the cafe. So go in
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  Speaker 1: and stop if you're in New York City in the
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  Speaker 1: Soho neighborhood and say hey, and then tell him I
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  Speaker 1: sent you. I don't think you get a discount, but
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  Speaker 1: I think you just might get a high five and
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  Speaker 1: that would be worth As we get started today, we
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  Speaker 1: want to mention our batch Bracket rule of the week.
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  Speaker 1: The Batch Bracket rule of the week is for week five,
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  Speaker 1: you get ten plus points every time a contestant is
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  Speaker 1: seen holding Michelle's hand. Oh my goodness, that's gonna be
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  Speaker 1: a lot of points brought out this week. Guys, we
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  Speaker 1: have a very cool guest on the podcast today. His
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  Speaker 1: name is Ben Smith. You may not have um, he
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  Speaker 1: may not have crossed your mind lately, but he was
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  Speaker 1: such a big figure on Tatious season, so we're really
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  Speaker 1: exciting to We're really excited to catch up with him,
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  Speaker 1: and we're going to do so after this break. Okay, guys,
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  Speaker 1: we have Ben Smith on the podcast and it's the
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  Speaker 1: first time even though he was as a prominent contestant
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  Speaker 1: last year on Tatia and Claire season. Ben, Hey, where
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  Speaker 1: have you been? Why haven't you visited us? Well, this
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  Speaker 1: is the first time I've been invited to stop that. No,
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  Speaker 1: they keep that, they keep you guys from us, they
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  Speaker 1: lock you up. I'm happy to be here. I hear
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  Speaker 1: that you're pregnant. The last time I saw you, you
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  Speaker 1: weren't pregnant, and I hear you're pregnant. Now I'm super
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  Speaker 1: much so and it's I miss, I'm pretty miss. I
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  Speaker 1: try not to complain because, like you know, blessed right,
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  Speaker 1: but also just like my body doesn't like it. But
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  Speaker 1: thank you for asking. Yeah, well you've seen your spirits
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  Speaker 1: seem high. That's cool. Thanks. I can fake it for
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  Speaker 1: a while. I just want to let you know that
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  Speaker 1: at one point a couple of weeks ago, I told actually,
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  Speaker 1: she's like beautiful, and she's like, no, I'm not. I like,
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  Speaker 1: I get really triggered by like the glow thing. I
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  Speaker 1: think it's like really toxic for women to have to
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  Speaker 1: like feel like they should glow. No, well, you seem
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  Speaker 1: like you're doing all right, even though it's miserable. Thank you, Ben, congrats,
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  Speaker 1: congrats on your wedding. That seems like a cool thing.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you. Was just a good decision to still record
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  Speaker 1: a podcast to one one day before guests arrive and
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  Speaker 1: ten minutes after entering into Nashville. But that sounds portant,
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  Speaker 1: you are. I appreciate I appreciate it well. To answer
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  Speaker 1: your question, Ashley, I've just been living my life. I
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  Speaker 1: have a business here in Los Angeles, so I've been
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  Speaker 1: pretty you know, stuck working with that. Not stuck, but
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  Speaker 1: I've been pretty focused on building that and the gym
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  Speaker 1: space that I own here in the community that we're
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  Speaker 1: slowly growing. Um, you know, the world starting to open
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  Speaker 1: up a bit again, you know, especially here on the
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  Speaker 1: West Coast, and so we've got this new opportunity to
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  Speaker 1: like finally go full speed with everything. So I've been
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  Speaker 1: I've been pretty committed and uh, you know, focused on that.
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  Speaker 1: So like that's I guess that's the reason why I
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  Speaker 1: haven't haven't come on the show, but also maybe have
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  Speaker 1: been like a little bit m i A. Because I'm
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  Speaker 1: focused on on all the stuff that I've got going
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  Speaker 1: on in my life. So you like jumped into business
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  Speaker 1: entrepreneurship after the show? Was it what you were doing?
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  Speaker 1: The same thing you were doing before the show? Yeahh so,
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  Speaker 1: uh yeah. So for the last couple of years, like
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  Speaker 1: about two years prior to going on the show, I
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  Speaker 1: was working as a strength conditioning coach in l A.
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  Speaker 1: Had a small personal training business than coached for a
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  Speaker 1: family of gym's locally, and then after the show, we
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  Speaker 1: came back to like a quarantined Los Angeles still um
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  Speaker 1: so Jim was still closed. During that process, my now
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  Speaker 1: business partner and I built an online platform for training,
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  Speaker 1: and then through that, once the world started to open
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  Speaker 1: back up again, we like combined what we were doing
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  Speaker 1: digitally with the space we have in Los Angeles and
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  Speaker 1: we actually just rebranded into a into a fully new
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  Speaker 1: thing last month. So it's a new community, new name,
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  Speaker 1: same type of thing. Strange conditioning training for for anyone
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  Speaker 1: that's open to getting better and stronger and feeling better
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  Speaker 1: about themselves. So it's been a really cool thing, but
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  Speaker 1: it takes all my time. So, I mean, my most
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  Speaker 1: burning question is why didn't you go on Bachelor in Paradise?
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  Speaker 1: So I feel like you're dedicated. I hear that's invite
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  Speaker 1: only and stop that now, I know. Now, I'm I'm
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  Speaker 1: really just focused on on all the stuff that I've
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  Speaker 1: got going on here. I don't feel like it's uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, appropriate to my partner in the community that
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  Speaker 1: we've got to like step away for long periods of
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  Speaker 1: time and and uh, you know, Bachelor production just wasn't
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  Speaker 1: in the cards for me this time. But like you,
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  Speaker 1: but you got the invite, right, I did not come on.
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  Speaker 1: Now that's sucking. That's that's surprising to me. Um, why
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  Speaker 1: do you think that is? Did you talk I mean,
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  Speaker 1: did you talk to anybody? No? I mean I has
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  Speaker 1: been limited with with uh, you know, the people inside
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  Speaker 1: the franchise since leaving the show, but you know, all
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  Speaker 1: on good terms. I'm just I'm focused on my life
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  Speaker 1: and maybe they saw that as a as a thing,
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  Speaker 1: like they know very well that I that I own
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  Speaker 1: a business here and I'm really focused on all the
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  Speaker 1: things that I've got going on in l A. And
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  Speaker 1: you know, maybe it's somebody looking out for me, just
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  Speaker 1: knowing that maybe it's not the right step for me
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  Speaker 1: personally at this time. But but I think you know,
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  Speaker 1: I was kind of joking, but it is invite only,
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  Speaker 1: and I just didn't receive any invitation. I'm truly mind boggled,
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  Speaker 1: as you being the runner up on Tasia's season to
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  Speaker 1: not be invited. There's always gonna be. There's always gonna
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  Speaker 1: be more, right, there is, I guess there is. But
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  Speaker 1: that is surprising to me because it feels like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you weren't the only one this year that we expected
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  Speaker 1: to see at the beach and some people you know,
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  Speaker 1: into it in relationships, and some people maybe decline. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if any extra buddy actually declined the offer,
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  Speaker 1: but it is support like we expected you to be there.
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  Speaker 1: Like if you were to say, who who's going to
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  Speaker 1: definitely be on that beach, it was you. Um, and
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  Speaker 1: some surprised that the call didn't even happen. I didn't
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  Speaker 1: realize that it was that exclusive. I don't really know.
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  Speaker 1: I don't really know. I've never been. I don't really know,
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  Speaker 1: but yeah, they uh, yeah, just it wasn't for me
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  Speaker 1: this year, and and uh, you know, maybe people have
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  Speaker 1: had enough Ben. You no, never enough Bens. Uh. Now
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  Speaker 1: you wait. Also, I hear Ben from Indiana. I was
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  Speaker 1: going Ben from Indiana. Yeah, so so I'll let you
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  Speaker 1: take that from me. Are Ben's from Indiana? Were Ben's
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  Speaker 1: from Indiana? So? What high school? Did you go to?
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  Speaker 1: Cathedral High School in Indianapolis? Yeah, so I'm from northern Indiana.
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  Speaker 1: I'm I'm glad you represented well. The Midwest is still strong.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, I saw, I knew that, and then I
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  Speaker 1: reminded that in our in our notes leading up to
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  Speaker 1: the show, is that we're both Hoosiers, um. And if
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  Speaker 1: somebody doesn't know what Whosier is, that is what you
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  Speaker 1: call somebody from Indiana. Because the story goes like this.
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  Speaker 1: Somebody was standing on one side of the Ohio River,
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  Speaker 1: some guy was standing on the other, and they yelled,
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  Speaker 1: who is there? But the guy on the other side,
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  Speaker 1: I thought he was saying, Hohosier. And so we call
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  Speaker 1: ourselves the Hoosiers. That's where this came from. Yeah, it's
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  Speaker 1: very disappointing, actually I know, but it's it's it's who
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  Speaker 1: we are. Oh that's hilarious. Okay, Well, Ben, I have
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  Speaker 1: to play a little like tough question game with you
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  Speaker 1: for a second. If you were to have been in paradise,
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  Speaker 1: like what girls would have been on your list? Who
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  Speaker 1: would you wanted to meet? Who would I want to meet?
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  Speaker 1: And this is and then I want to tell you
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  Speaker 1: this is a good platform to share this because we've
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  Speaker 1: had people say this and then they connect afterwards and
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  Speaker 1: love is blossom. We like to consider ourselves a love
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  Speaker 1: show is as much as a show about the bachelor's um.
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  Speaker 1: Throw your shout out there, man, holy cow, Well, I
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  Speaker 1: have a secret to tell you. I didn't watch a
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  Speaker 1: single episode of Paradise, So I don't even know who
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  Speaker 1: was there, But but who would you wanted, Like, who
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  Speaker 1: would you wanted to have an invite with you from
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  Speaker 1: previous seasons? Man, that's rough. I wasn't really a fan
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  Speaker 1: of the show before going on, so like, you're gonna
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  Speaker 1: throw out names of people that I like, don't really
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  Speaker 1: follow it, don't really pay attention to. But I said
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  Speaker 1: this before. I always thought Demmy was funny. But I
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  Speaker 1: know that she was on. I heard that she was
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  Speaker 1: on this season. Um, I don't know. I Uh, that's
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  Speaker 1: a really hard question. I'm like not giving you a
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  Speaker 1: great answer. No, it's okay. Now we'll we'll flip it
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  Speaker 1: and make it easier. If there was a celebrity and
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  Speaker 1: we were allowed to have celebrities on the island, who
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  Speaker 1: would you bring ye, Sydney Sweeney? Who the heck is
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  Speaker 1: that from Euphoria? Then notice who that is? I know
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm hoping actually was some that girl from
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  Speaker 1: from Hbos. Oh my god, I'm gonna look her up.
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  Speaker 1: She's the one from White Lotus Voyors. I've never seen
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  Speaker 1: White Lotus, but that's my She's my celebrity crush. But
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  Speaker 1: I get it now, I get it that that's fair
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  Speaker 1: to me. Yeah, that's you know, Ben. If you would
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  Speaker 1: have said if if Ashley and I would um, because
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  Speaker 1: this is this is our podcast. Sometimes we like to
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  Speaker 1: overstep our bounds. And if you would have said, who
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  Speaker 1: would you have set me up with? We love Himmi,
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  Speaker 1: We like Demmis as a human. We just think she's funny. Um,
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  Speaker 1: but it would not have been who first came to
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  Speaker 1: my mind when I thought of you. Well see, you're
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  Speaker 1: gonna tell me people that I wouldn't be thinking like
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  Speaker 1: to be blatantly honest. Nobody's like front of mine right now.
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  Speaker 1: But who would you have set me up? Who would
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  Speaker 1: you have put me with? I mean I would think
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  Speaker 1: you'd be more of like a quiet like um, like
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  Speaker 1: just kind of like like just more like low key person.
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  Speaker 1: So maybe like Serena who ended up with Joe or um,
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  Speaker 1: you know some of these people, like some of the
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  Speaker 1: people that came and went even on this show. Um
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  Speaker 1: somebody maybe that was released a few weeks earlier due
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  Speaker 1: to some controversy. I think you could have seen through
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  Speaker 1: that and been with him. I was going to put
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  Speaker 1: you more with the Serena this year. I thought you'd
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  Speaker 1: be competing for those types. Yeah, like a quieter, less
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  Speaker 1: outspoken but you know you threw out to me even
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  Speaker 1: a Mari maybe like Mari had like the edge to
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  Speaker 1: her because she was like, um, she wasn't like the
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  Speaker 1: loudest or most like known character. Because because she was consistent,
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  Speaker 1: Denny obviously steps onto the beach and makes a name
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  Speaker 1: for herself every time she does. I think it's funny.
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  Speaker 1: Just so this is actually gonna be a funny thing.
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  Speaker 1: So I didn't I didn't watch. I didn't really understand
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  Speaker 1: what the Bachelor Bachelor it was before going on the show.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't understand how did you get there? I was
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  Speaker 1: reached out to randomly. They were like via social media,
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  Speaker 1: which that was my story too. I begged and pleaded.
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  Speaker 1: Not really, I just sent it the most elaborate audition tape.
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  Speaker 1: Actually that surprises me a lot. Actually, wait for real,
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  Speaker 1: are you being sarcastic? You can see her audition video. No,
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  Speaker 1: so I was asked, I was asking on the show, um,
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  Speaker 1: and I like I didn't know, Like I didn't understand
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  Speaker 1: like the gravity of what it was, or like how
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  Speaker 1: deep the fan base was. I just like, was not
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  Speaker 1: you to that fact and I and I wish I
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  Speaker 1: would have known like going on now, like what to
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  Speaker 1: expect coming out of it. Um, it's been a wild,
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  Speaker 1: wild year, a pretty exciting year. Um. But that I
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  Speaker 1: didn't really know who were the characters were, who like
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  Speaker 1: the prominent influential people inside the franchise were. I didn't
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  Speaker 1: really understand any of that. But I did know who
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  Speaker 1: Demi was because one time I randomly came across the
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  Speaker 1: video of her like just saying some outlandish on the internet,
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  Speaker 1: and I thought it was hilarious, And so she was
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  Speaker 1: really the only person that I knew inside of franchise
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  Speaker 1: before going on. Um, But yeah, it's been a really
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  Speaker 1: cool experience. Everyone's been super nice and like really warm
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  Speaker 1: and accepting inside. So it's been it's been really great
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  Speaker 1: to meet people like you and everyone else that I've
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  Speaker 1: come across. Since then, I gotta pause you here, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: was that a lion that just walked through your background?
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  Speaker 1: Because something massive that semi looked like a house cat
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  Speaker 1: just came across your back. It's a cat. I'm at
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  Speaker 1: a friend's house and she's got a cat and a
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  Speaker 1: huge dog. The dog's out for a walk, but it's
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  Speaker 1: a I think I don't know where she went. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's a big, big cat, Holy Holy anyway, is it
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  Speaker 1: a friend's house or is it a girl friend's house?
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  Speaker 1: These are the questions. It is a friend's house. I'm
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  Speaker 1: right down the street. My gym's in West Hollywood, but
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  Speaker 1: I live in Venice, and so that's an exhausting continute.
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  Speaker 1: It's unreal and so um the gym's of mathouse right now.
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  Speaker 1: So I just walked down the street to a friend's house,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm just taking the call from inside her house,
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  Speaker 1: which is like, really nice. I think it's really not.
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  Speaker 1: When she left, I said, people are going to think
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  Speaker 1: that this is my home and decorated I was gonna say.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, then I understand why I didn't get
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  Speaker 1: a Bachelor in Paradise because the businesses obviously didn't quite spectacularly.
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  Speaker 1: We're doing all right. I don't know's it's been a
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  Speaker 1: cool it's been a cool thing. Um, but I do
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  Speaker 1: appreciate you saying that, like, maybe someone a little bit
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  Speaker 1: quieter would be my style. I think I don't know. Um,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I've dated all types of girls before
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  Speaker 1: I and I I'm generally pretty reserved like, I'm pretty calm,
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  Speaker 1: but I think like having a little spice is fun.
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  Speaker 1: So like, yeah, I don't know, Yeah, I get it.
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  Speaker 1: I mean I'm getting married on Saturday, and I'm married
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  Speaker 1: a girl who definitely is more reserved and quiet. But
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  Speaker 1: every once in a while you a little spice and
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  Speaker 1: that spices shockingly entertaining. It makes his life of that.
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  Speaker 1: H Then you know, one of the things that wasn't
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  Speaker 1: mentioned enough, ah right or wrong on the show was
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  Speaker 1: your background being, um an Army ranger. Yeah, so do
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: you mind explaining that little bit? Yeah? So, um, that's
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: a typo from that. That's an insane thing that happened.
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: So I'm ranger qualified. So I graduated from Army Ranger
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: School in chazz and fourteen. Um. The Army Rangers specifically
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: is like a very elite small unit of Army Army
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: Special Operations. Although I was a graduate of the school,
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: I never served in that unit, the range of Regiment. Um,
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: so that was like a huge thing. Initially. You'll notice
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: that the wording was switched on the show, um like
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: by episode two because I was like, yeah, I can't
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: say this. Um. Yeah, I graduated the course in Chazz
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: and fourteen ranger qualified. My job was artillery, so I
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: shot cannons and rockets and missiles for the majority of
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: my career, but that that experience was incredibly profound for me.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: I ended up like getting hurt about seven years in
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: almost seven years into my service and decided that it
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: was right for me to leave um and and it's
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: really like helped me not only in the profession that
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: I have now been in fitness, just because fitness is
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: such an integral part of that job in that life,
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: but the thing that I love most or the thing
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: that I love most was soldiers, and it gave me
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: this incredible opportunity to like mold and shape young young soldiers,
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: which was like really cool. And now I kind of
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: get to do that in a weird like adjacent way
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: with the people that are a part of our gym.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: So it's been really cool for me. And that experience
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: was the best thing I've ever done, so I really
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: enjoyed it. Your panic out when you saw on your
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: list Army Ranger was like, oh crap, because you know, yeah,
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: but I know what I know what it means. Yeah,
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: I know, yeah, I know. It was unfortunate to me
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: because like knowing what that means and then also like
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: having limited control over what gets shown. I mean, you
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: could both have been through the experience like they're the product.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: Like everyone's intentions are great and good, but things can
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: be you know, like misconstrued or misunderstood. And there were
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: response from that community specifically, or the army community military
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: community specifically. It was pretty resounding. And these are the
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: people that I love most and care about most and
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: don't want to offend most, and so, uh, starting off
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: on week one with that response from the community that
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm in love with was like pretty rough and
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: it kind of set it kind of set the tone
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: for like a less than awesome experience during the airing
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: of the show. You know, but but yeah, I mean people,
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: things happen, and it was easily rectified. And the people
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: that I needed to explain this too, like they heard
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: it and they got an explanation. Was all was all
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: the issue because of the title. Yeah, It's just like
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: it's a very specific thing that you just like shouldn't
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: say if you're not a part of this small group.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: And so it was fixed almost immediately. I just called
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: someone on the team, was like, Hey, this can't be
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: this way. I know that it's like supposed to be.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: Like it's also like add value to my character or
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: like the person that I'm portraying, but like it can't
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: be display and so it was an easy to fix
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: and then uh uh, you know, it doesn't really come
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: up because it's it was a massive part of my life.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: But like since I've left the military, it's become just
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: a thing that I was. It's not it's not a
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: thing that I am anymore, you know. I think some
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: people see that differently, But like I was a soldier
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: for a long time and I had an incredible experience
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: and it shaped me in ways that I could like
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: never replicate in any other way. But like now I
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: do another thing, and uh, I'm excited for the opportunity
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: to step out of that life and into something new.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: When you talk about how you used your experience there
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: with training and you know with the gym, you were
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: also super vulnerable and it was really I don't want
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: to say it was cool to get a guy's perspective
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: on an eating disorder, but it was just something that
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: we don't ever talk about, but it affects a lot
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: of men. So it was just it was it was
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: nice to get out there. So how do you do that?
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: Because you do work in the fitness and the wellness industry,
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: Like you're surrounded by food all the time. Um, you
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: probably think about nutrition all the time. So my job
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: before owning the gym and coaching like fitness per se
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: or strength being a strength coach, I coached nutrition and
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: I was ah working with people who were struggling with
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: similar things that I dealt with. Sharing that with Tasia
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: on the show wasn't like a weird thing for me,
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: Like I didn't really understand that it would have such
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: a big impact. I It's a thing that I use
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: in my business every day. So I'm like, you know,
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: these are my experiences, and I hope that I can
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: like you know, share in yours and like I work
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: intimately with it with a small group of of clients,
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: uh specifically with like eating disorder type things or like
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: building healthy relationships of food, uh you know currently. But
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: but the career that I had going into the show
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: incorporated a lot of my own experience, and so sharing
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: that with her it was just like me just being
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: open like that wasn't a scary thing for me. There's
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: other things I talked about on the show that like
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: we're much larger and much scarier and far more impactful
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: or or like traumatizing for me to share. But that
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: experience with my eating disorder was just something that I
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: openly talked about here in the community that I coach
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: in now and before. And so I'm happy that, like
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: I started the conversation, and I'm happy that since the show,
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: I've been able to talk openly about it in other
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: venues and on other platforms. And and I said this
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: the whole time, if I'm able to just like maybe
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: bring light to a situation that makes someone else feel
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: a little bit less unheard or unseen or less understood
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: than I can, Like, I feel good about everything that
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: that's happened so far. So definitely did that I know
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: that's happened, and I know, and it's been really cool. Uh,
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: Like a guy that looks like me, or a guy
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: that does the job that I do, or you know,
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: there's all these like preconceptions about who I am and
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: what I am, and it was nice to share just
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: a little bit of myself on the show. I know
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: it's like you see one percent of one percent of
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: what I am, and then after the fact you see
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: what I care to show, you know, like via social
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: media or in like an interview like this, and so
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: people never get the full picture. But I am really
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: thankful that like a small part, a really valuable part,
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: was able to be shared with a lot of people.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: So that's been really cool. Talk me through. It's always
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: interesting to to Ashley and I, um talk me through
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: the moment that you decided to open up about this
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: um and walk out butt naked on national television on
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: a date. So obviously this is a okay, So like
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna set up this a little bit. So
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: like you have this thing that you know is going
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: to be an important conversation to be had, and you
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: know that you are at this point ready to talk
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: about it, and you're getting prepped for this date, and
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: at some point you decided this is the way it's
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: going to happen. I and like take away everything else,
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: But you can't really do but take away everything else,
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: like the courage to just do that. In general, like
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: nowadays we're seeing more and more people come out on
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: this show naked. I would have never been it. I
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: just I don't have that confidence. I guess yeah, like
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: walks through that behind the scenes for for everybody listening. So, um,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: I can like set the scene, but the date, it's
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: an art specific date. We're expressing ourselves through like different mediums,
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: ones like clay. There's a charcoal painting expression, and there's
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: some other stuff that's going on. And the final portion
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: of the date is a self portrait. And I'm not
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: good at drawing, and I'm pretty okay like expressing myself verbally,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: but I I wanted it to be like impactful and
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: like some grand gesture. I think maybe I struggle with
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: like I struggle with opening up sometimes. But the eating
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: disorder and that date were or or sharing that I
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: had and eating disorder for a long time and that
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: date were like mutually exclusive. Like the thing with getting
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: naked was a thing that like I'm comfortable doing. I
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: if you ask them, if you called my mom and said,
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: you know, what is Ben's deal, He's always naked, to
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: be like, yeah, he's been doing that since he was
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: a baby. Um, the eating disorder wasn't about me being
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: uncomfortable in my body. It was more of a control thing.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: Like I uh, like someone who like turns to alcohol.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: I turned to food. It was a numbing agent. It
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: kept me safe in times where I felt like I
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: wasn't safe. And so that's what the eating disorder was
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: for me. Um fueled by my childhood, fueled by my
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: experience in the military, fueled by a ton of things
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: that made me feel really out of control. And food
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: was something that I could control explicitly. And so that's
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: that's where the eating disorder came from. But the the
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: being naked thing was I was in a room full
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: of guys who felt the same way about this woman
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: that I did, and I knew that they were all
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: going to do something artistic in the form of like
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: a sculpture or a painting or a whatever. And immediately
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: my brain turns to, oh, Ben, just like take your
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: clothes off and that will be the thing that like
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: it's like, oh he did something big. Um. But I
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: was so terrified that it was going to be like
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: everybody in the rooms like, oh my god, there's a butt,
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: Like look you see his butt over there, and like
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: unfortunately that kind of what happened except for Tasia, And
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: so in that moment, I was able to stand there like, yeah,
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: being naked, like doesn't it doesn't scare me. So like
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: I'm naked there, I got everybody's attention, and then I
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: was able to have a real conversation with her, and
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: I said, I said. All I said was like, look,
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: you see a physical thing here. You see my body,
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: you see my face, you see my hair. But there's
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: so much underneath here, and there's so much underneath that
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: I haven't shared with anybody, and I'm so excited for
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: you to be the one that like uncovers that. And
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: so I can't remember exactly what I said, but it
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: was something along on along the lines of like you've
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: got this physical being, but you've also got everything inside
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: and and it was impactful. And I don't know that
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: I can't remember exactly what they showed, but it was
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: that conversation and like it was this meaningful moment together
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: where we I think, like the relationship took you know,
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: a different turn or a different step um and getting
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: naked just happened to be the like the flash that
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: like allowed the moment to have, you know, I just
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: I was trying to create something, show this grand gesture
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: and then tell her something really mean, meaningful and like
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: it's miss that's that's interpreted a million different ways by
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: a million different people, like, oh, but I just wants
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: to show off as Wiener in front of the room.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: I'm like, no, I don't know. No, I just wanted
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: it to be something where people she specifically would remember, Yeah,
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: you mentioned a couple of times basically what you get
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: to see like such a small part of your personality
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: like one percent? Um, what was looking back on your experience,
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: like the most frustrating part of your storyline that only
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: got shown one percent? Yeah, there's two parts of this.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: So my biggest fear going in was that nobody would
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: understand my humor, like a pretty dry sense of humor, um,
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: like a a bit eclectic, Like I'm just my humor
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: is different than than most of the people I interact with,
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: but like, I think it's funny as hell. So I
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: was concerned that I would go on this show and
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: I would be myself and people would misunderstand my humor
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: and be like, oh, what's the dudes deal. It only
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: got shown once. There was like a roast date where
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: we got to like roast everybody and I stopped there
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: and just had a ton of material and little bits
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: of it were shown. But that was the only time
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: I ever got to be funny on the on the program,
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: and so like I dodged able it. They're where like
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: they never even showed me being funny, so like never
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: never got to be interpreted that was never part of
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: your character. Yeah, But but like I was, you know,
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: I'm not frustrated by any part of the experience because
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: it's given me things I could have never even hoped for,
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: which is so incredible, namely this platform to like talk
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: about the stuff that's really important to me. Um, but
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: I was a bit frustrated by the narrative that like
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: I can't express myself emotionally or that I'm a poor communicator.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: And you know, I think there's like a level of
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: empathy from the viewership or from the people that are
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: like interpreting this thing where you're like, this is not
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: a real life experience. This is like real life intensified
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: a millionfold, and so the way that you might normally
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: act or the way that you might normally respond in
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: the situation might not happen on the TV screen. And
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: so if I had any frustration to feel that, like,
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: you know, I think that I'm an okay communicator, I
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: wouldn't say I'm great, but I not for lack of trying.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: You know, some things weren't said or some things weren't
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: shared in the moment, but like looking back, it was
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: stressful as hell and so um, you know, people interpret
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: everything the way that they want to interpret it. But
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: like I am, I'm more than just the guy who
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: can't share his feelings, you know. And that was like
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: a bit frustrating trying to say that in the most
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: the best way. But yeah, I'm more than that guy.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: So we are in the in the final minutes here seconds,
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: maybe would you um and I want at the end
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: here um actuley And I was like, if if you
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: kind of um publicize what you're up to, you know,
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: your Jim's name, how people can join you all that stuff.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: But I do have a question kind of bouncing off
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: of what you just said. So if your storyline true,
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: not good or bad, was that you you lacked your
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: ability to communicate? Um, what was it about your moment
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: with Tasha where all the other guys um laughed, shocked,
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: said look at his butt? And she said, what was
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: it about Tassia that allowed her to see something more?
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: She was the one person that roomed that said, I,
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: I understand what he's doing. Why was that in your opinion? Well,
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: I think all I think, um, I'll gas taste up
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: here a bit. I think she's an incredible listener, at
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: least in our experience, was an incredible listener, and she
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: was able to see, uh, the intention behind what was
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: going on. And so you know, I'll give her all
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: the credit in that. But like in a moment where
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: it's chaotic, there's a bunch of people in the room,
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: there's eight other guys or ten other guys, or however
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: many it was, she gave me the space, she gave
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: me the spotlight to like share a thing. And I'll
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: say that she was never distracted. I mean, as you've
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: been the lead before and I'm sure there's like a
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: million things going through your head at all times. But
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: what allowed me to share that with her and allowed
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: her to receive that is there was no distraction for her.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: She was totally focused on me, and in that moment,
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: I was totally focused on her, and it was I
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: was grateful then. I'm grateful now that like I had
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: this opportunity to share all these things with her and
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: for like probably the first time in a romantic relationship
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: in my life. I felt hurt, I felt listened to,
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: I felt seen, which was really exceptional. And it also like,
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: even though things didn't pan out in that relationship, it
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: lets me know that, like there is an opportunity for
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: that later in my life, which is really really cool. Um.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: I went into the experience, I'll like elaborate just a
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: little bit more. I I went into the experience with
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: like three intentions. One was to like maybe meet a
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: really cool girl and have a relationship with her. The
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: second was to learn something about myself, and then the
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: third was, even if a relationship didn't materialize, to like
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: have faith in myself in a relationship in the future,
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: and also like restore my faith in women or in
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: my partner, you know, my future partner. And I think
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: all three of those things happened, which is really cool. Um.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: You know, it goes the way that it goes, and
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: I'm just really grateful for her listening to me, for
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: her creating space for me to share my story, and
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: then for the opportunity that's come on the back end,
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: which has been really special and incredible. No, well, after
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: this half an hour conversation, now I really want to
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: see more of you on our TV. Well, you know,
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: maybe that happens later, okay man. Also, you're making me
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: want you to be the Bachelor because this Clayton guy
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: is so boring. I know nothing about him, but I
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: heard that he's really tall and has big muscles. Sure,
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: but that doesn't cut it. Well, I have the same
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: thing for me. Yeah, look at Ben, you know what
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, really tall, huge muscles, and Benny's the Bachelor.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: That's That's just not all Ben either. He just has
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: so many more things about that. That's the one person
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: I remember. Ben, You Ben both Ben from Indiana, Ben Smith.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: I just want to wrap up with two like really
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: silly questions about some guys that made some splashy, splashy
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: headlines since your time with them on your season. There's
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: Blake Moins. Uh, what do you think about everything that's
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: gone down with him over the past nine months? Well,
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: so I didn't even realize that he was going back
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: on the show, Like I didn't you And and then
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: I see all these like people send me like Instagram
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: stuff all the time, but I see all these things
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: like he's back on the show. I think the video
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: was like him holding a thing, holding a boom box
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: in the street, which is kind of funny. So you
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: haven't kept in touch, I suppose not not really, not
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: really no, Um, you know, I think there was like
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: talk with maybe doing some like philanthropic thing where we
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: like go to Africa and we do great stuff for
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: rhinos and other wildlife, but we really haven't communicated much
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: since then. I heard that he just broke up with Katie.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: I I don't know the specifics on that, but I
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: heard that that happened, and I hope that they're both
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: doing all right. Um, I should probably reach out to him.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: And and then there's Brandon, who you're Brendan, who you're
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: with the entire time on tatious season, and he was
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: a little sketch ball down in Paradise. Was that at
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: all surprising for you? I was very taken aback. Again,
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: I like didn't watch Paradise. I feel he's saying that
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: is like you guys right, Uh, yes, I didn't watch anything.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: But like just the same way with Blake, I've heard
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: tons of stuff. Um, you know, Brennan has visited me
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: in Los Angeles at the gym, so I was very
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: you know, we we were close on our season together. Um,
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: he's come and visit me in Los Angeles. I was
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: incredibly surprised by what not only what he said, but
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: but what has been said, you know, in response to
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: all the things. And and I hope for his sake
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: that he's doing okay. And I hope that like everyone
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: else affected by everything that's gone on, is also doing okay.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: It's it's just such a crazy deal telling you what.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: These characters come out at some point. So here's a
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: here's the funny thing. I had a boss early on,
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: and what did he say. He said, you can fool
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: everybody for a little bit, but you can't fool anybody forever.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: It's good everybody for a little bit, but you can't
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: fool everybody forever. So atually, when your life is televised,
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: it's kind of hard. Whenever there's cameras and microphones all
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: the time, Yeah, all the time, like not even just
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: have all of the time. Yeah, it's wild to me.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: So it's always been shocking, is the things people decided
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: to say they're gonna get away with it. They never do.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: They never do. It's always the thing that's shown. Actually,
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: I can think of a time or two people didn't
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: get away with it, but we won't go there. Yeah, um, Ben,
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: as we say goodbye to you. If you can't just
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: get like a twenty minute plug, twenty second plug. You're
• 36:43
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• 36:47
  Speaker 1: how they can support you. Yeah, I really appreciate it.
• 36:50
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• 36:53
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• 37:21
  Speaker 1: thanks for coming almost for his podcast. It's been a pleasure,
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: and thanks for joining us for the first time. Every Yeah, well,
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: it's great to have been Smith on the episode. It
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: is good to hear from him. It's been a while.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: I am shocked actually that he was not invited to
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: Paradise weird. Do you know what it reminds me of? What? Um?
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: Remember Peter from Rachel's season when he didn't get invited
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: back to any thing else. Well, yeah, but I think
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: that that was more like Peter's decision making right, It
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: wasn't that, more like negotiations didn't exactly go the best
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: like they wanted him, but like he had you know. Yeah,
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: well it's still shocking. It was great to have been on. Hey. Actually,
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: before we do this week's breakdown of the episode, I
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: want to say thank you to everybody. I'm not gonna
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: be able to respond to everybody because it's been a
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: lot who sent advice or info on a ls are
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: our fan base. Actually, like I've never asked anything of
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: anybody that I've gotten a bigger response to. Well, that's
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: so so good to hear, and I'm reading them all,
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: but like it's impossible to I know, sometimes when you
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: open up about something, you get the most incredible responses
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: and you do end up reading them all, but then
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: you have a sense of being overwhelmed that you can't
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: thank people enough. Yeah, so like just you guys, just
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: let we just want to let you know that, like
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: we appreciate everything that you send us and we really
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: do try to read it all. We're so sorry we
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: can't respond to it all, definitely, And then this side
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: is I don't want, you know, Brandon Sam to be
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: overwhelmed either, like you know, and so we're filtering through stuff.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: I have somebody always going through the emails and the
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: d m s, like you know, gathering information, sending it
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: off to me or them when it feels helpful. But
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: just like people are awesome. So that's you know, that's something,
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: UM that I just want to sit on. Well, hey, uh,
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: it is time to break down another episode of Michelle's
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: season Ashley. To get us started, I think it would
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: be helpful, um to share overarching thoughts so far leading
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: up to this and then even after this episode, and
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: we go step by step in chronological order. Here's my thoughts.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: Clinton still did not shine and I'm shocked. Why. Uh,
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: It's just I'm waiting for him to explode as a
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: main character, and it just doesn't feel like it's happening
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: to me. I don't think it's gonna happen. You don't
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: think it's gonna happen. No, I I don't know what
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: they were thinking. I don't even think that there's anything
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: he can do to make me in gross in him
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: right now? Well, you would expect him to have a
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: few more episodes laugh, and it just takes one like
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: that's what world not. It just takes one episode to
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: really like change the narrative. But at this point I
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: am surprised because they need they need a good Bachelor's season.
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: They need a compelling lead. They need somebody that like
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: the audience rally behind, and I actually thought, like, this
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: is gonna be that guy. They haven't had it in
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: a while. Um, you know, I thought, oh, this is
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: this is the reason they chose him so early is
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: because they think this guy is gonna steal the hearts
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: of America and uh and so far we just don't
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: know anything about him, Like he's just there. But like
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: there's guys on the season, like the Nates of the
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: world and the Joes of the world and the Rodney's
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: of the world that are like, in my opinion, people
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: are rallied behind, like they're like, oh, this is good, this,
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: this is good stuff. Like these guys could do it. Yeah,
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: He's there's definitely better options. But I have to say, overall,
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: because you did want my macro opinion, then these guys
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: are good enough for my show. I'm like obsessed with her.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: She's so cool and so pretty, and I just feel
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: very underwhelmed by the group in general. Um that's a
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: fair statement, because I do think she is in a
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: league of her own when it comes to life. I
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: just think she's really incredible. Um. I you know, we
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: feel this way often. Actually, I want to remind us
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: that we feel this way often at this point in
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: a season where um, we're like, you know what, there's
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: just nobody up to the lead, you know, standards, and
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: then at the end of the season, um, you know,
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: stuff starts to which I mean, think about how big.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: It's not like we are ever not a fan of
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: Zack um, but there was a moment during that season
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: where we didn't know she'd end up with Zach's true
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: and now we see Tasha and Zach together and we're like,
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: oh no, this is this is good bigod. I became
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: obsessed with with Zach for Tasia as time went on. Yeah,
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: late in the season, were not at Yeah, so it
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: could still happen. I'm with you. I think Michelle is incredible.
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: We've talked about the upcoming lead, We've talked about the
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: current lead. Um, we're still waiting for both things to
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: happen for Michelle on her season and also Clayton to shine.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: Uh again, I said in the same place I did.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: I don't dislike the guy. I just don't know the guy.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: I don't have much of a feeling on the man,
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: and so as a result, I'm just not convinced that
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna be like full on support running into this
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: bat next that's their season going. I cannot wait for
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: this guy to find love because I just don't know.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: So that's where we stand. I'm hoping that changes for Michelle. Yeah, like,
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: maybe we'll just stop talking about him for the next
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: couple of weeks, and then if if he gets eliminated
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: and we still feel nothing, then we'll really critique the
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: crap out of this whole situation. I'm going to talk
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: about every week because I think I think it's a
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: storyline that everybody's wondering. Every week. You see Twitter blowing up.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: I mean last week, his name was trending with people
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: going where it's a big conversation. People are waiting, people
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: are wanting um, and they need a big one. So okay, Ashley,
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: chronological order this episode, Let's step through it, all right,
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: Let's do it Okay, so let's do the first one
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: on one, which is with m Martin. And Martin we
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: were saying that we kind of liked him, he was
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: kind of a dark horse LA this week. This this
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: date actually didn't make me like it more. What about you? No, Um,
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: I think he was fine. I think what I would
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: say about this date was it just like it allowed
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: us to highlight him. And I just don't think he's
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: like stepped up, like I just don't. I mean, he
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: he was obviously, he tried to open up, he was vulnerable,
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: and he tried to communicate. And that's good. I mean,
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: it's good and it's healthy in a dating relationship. However,
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: nothing from this date made me go this is her
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: husband or this is a future partner? Just made go
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: and and even the way uh yeah, yeah, they're very awkward,
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: like tub thing Um was when I really saw and
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: I was like, this guy just doesn't it for her.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: In my opinion, he's missing it and he doesn't necessarily
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: know how to handle himself right now and like a
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: natural way with an incredible person by side. So no,
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, I still I'm more of a fan of
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: him than I thought I would be. Um and that's
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: mostly based on my judgmental ways of seeing him in
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: a picture. Uh. And he's growing on me, but I
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: think this week he didn't grow any further than he
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: did last week. No, I don't think that he was
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: trying to like question her judgment about the Jamie situation.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: Maybe he didn't pick the words correctly. I can still
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: understand why should we get a little awkward about it,
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: But I just felt like there was Yeah, there just
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: was like not enough there for me for me to
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: like pull him through as a favorite in my mind. Yeah. Um,
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: And their conversation over dinner was just kind of about
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: like the fact that he's like blunt and like it's
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: always working on like what what do we say, like
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: get get just like communicating better and allowing himself to
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: open up. Yeah, And I mean, and I mean I'm sure,
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: like I don't know everybody's upbringing, and I'm sure people
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: do struggle with that. You know. Michelle did empathize with
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: him and said I'm similar. He was like, I don't cry. Yeah,
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: but the the hey, I'm blunt and it can come
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: off wrong. Like it's kind of when somebody says like sorry,
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: I just I just speak truth. But really they're just
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: me like you know, like it's like, oh, you know,
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: you're just a jerk, like you just you know, when
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: somebody's like sorry, I just say what's on my mind,
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: it's like, well, yeah, like if we all did that
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: all the time, like we just all be mean to
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: each other. Probably, So it doesn't like that end fly
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: with me as much as them relating on the So
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: it's hard for me to get emotional. It's it's you know,
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: I don't get I'm not allowing myself to go deep.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: That stuff was fine. I just don't that this whole
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: date fell short for me on a romantic level for
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: the two of them. Meanwhile, back at the house, there's
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: a group date card that comes. Nate sees that he's
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: not the person who's going on the one on one,
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: and he ends up saying that he's not stressed about
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: um not getting it. He said, eventually it will come.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: He feels like he's in a good spot regardless, which
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: flags Chris s to like, I think that he's coming
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: off as cocky. I can kind of see that there's
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: like a you know, there's a fine line between confidence
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: and cocky. Um. I think he just feels good about himself.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: I don't. I didn't find a huge problem with it.
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: I think that absolutely Chris is ridiculous in the entire
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: second half of the episode. Yeah yeah, I mean, what
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: do you want Nate to say, like, oh my gosh,
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: I don't have the one on one. I think I'm
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: going home. He He's not, like it's fair for him
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: to say, I'm okay, Like this is the journey that
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: she wants to go on. I don't need to go
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: on this day, and I would like to be on
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: this day, but I know it's gonna come at some point.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: That's okay. Maybe it came off a little cocky, maybe
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: somebody there was since it of to it, But at
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: the same time, I personally have zero problem with that
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: mindset of I'm good for now, like I'll wait until
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: she's ready. Same same, okay. So the group date was
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: like a real big bummer for Michelle because it was
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: a sleepover themed but it seemed like the guys all
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: went into bro zone and they gave her no attention,
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: and I guys do this and girls don't. This would
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: only happen on The Bachelorette, where the guys get so
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: browy and like enjoy the activity so much that they
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: end up ignoring the girl. The girls would never have
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: that happen and have the guy be sitting in the
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: corner not being pursued. No, guys love hanging out with
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: guys sometimes. Well, yeah, I get that, but it's also
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: just weird to me that she was so alone the
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: whole time. I mean, do you think that like there
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: was something said ed where they were like, yeah, Michelle
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: doesn't feel very good today. We were alone? Oh maybe?
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: I mean even then, though you would have had somebody there,
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: you'd expect that would have checked on her. They didn't
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: show it, but like typically, you know, what I would
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: say is like the overall tone of the date um
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: is fairly accurately shown on television, Like there's not a
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: date that I ever went on that. I watched it
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: back and I was like, that's not at all what happened. Like,
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: if the tone of the date overall was hey, she
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: felt like she was on the outside looking in, then uh,
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: I think they accurately portrayed. And I'm imagining that is
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: because she has personal conversations about that afterwards. So she
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: felt pushed aside. She felt like these guys were more
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: interested in to hang out with each other, but also
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: just a weird date. I mean, I know they're trying
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: to get creative and so far this season has had
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: some incredible dates, but like this is probably in the
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: hotel conference room and they've like don't look like a
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: living room. Like what a weird date to have. In general, Yeah,
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: I didn't like it. Again, as far as the pillow
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: Fly and the pillow slash Cheddy Bear flight, you guys
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: know that I can't stand it when it's like some
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: sort of competition. At least this time it was a
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: competition where nobody was going to get hurt, because we
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: always complain about that because somebody always gets hurt. But
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: it's pretty safe, pretty PG. But I still like kind
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: of dazed out about it, Like I don't really care. Um,
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I think it was I think it's
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: was odd how little she was pursued to the point
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: where it's just like was there something going on? I
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: don't know. But I also don't think that that is
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: Like I'm not worried about that being the tone for
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: the guys about Michelle, Like I think they're very yeah
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: and so possibly, Um, you know, the date just didn't
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: go according to plan or you know, nobody stepped up
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: to do it well. But I I think these guys
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: are super into into Michelle, and I think they want
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: to give her attention. Maybe they just didn't know how
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: to in them in that scenario. Okay, That's my one
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: thing is sometimes I would just be so nervous on
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: the show, the the main show, that I would be
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: just like scared to kind of like go up to
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: Chris and start talking because I'd be like, oh, if
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: nobody else is doing it, then maybe I shouldn't be
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: doing it. Is this awkward like what am I going
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: to talk about? All so to kind of like psych
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: yourself out? And I can see that maybe like that
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: became a train like effect. Yeah it is, but it
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: doesn't it And it sparks an important conversation for Michelle
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: where we get to see more of her and understand
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: more of her um because this day really led into
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: her then opening up about the fear of not being seen,
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: the fear of being um pushed aside, the fear of
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: being like feeling like the outsider looking in when you
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: know she's not right. She's the lead of the show,
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: She's she's the the has the attention of every man,
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: at least we hope that is there. But it does
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: allow us to hear more of her, some of her
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: insecurities and struggles and what makes her Michelle. And that
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: was a great moment and some guys did step up
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: in that moment for her as she opened up about
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: that Alu being the one. I mean, he stepped up
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: for her in that moment and was, in my opinion,
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: if we're looking at this thing, like now I know,
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: I know he's a He's a force to be recogniss
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: on with on this show. He is now the Martin
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: of last week, where we don't know a lot about
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: him leading up to this and now we're like, you know,
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: this guy's this guy's got something for her. Yeah, he's
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: a sweetness. I got good vibes from him and it
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: was a really good, meaningful, deep converse station that they had.
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: I'm glad he got that Rose. I'm glad that, like
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: we have another solid quality man in this group. Yeah.
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: And the other quality guy that I think kind of
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: like came out of the woodwork this episode was Rick,
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: who got the other one on one day. It seems
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: like a really sweet guy. I do not feel a
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: ton of romance between them. But he's a nice guy
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: right before this episode and maybe still forever. I'm going
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: to think about his head on the dinner track. That's
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: weird that it. It's really sticking for with me. It's
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: hard to take him seriously and that's how you can remember,
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: is his head on a platter. Um. But yeah, I'm
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: with you. But he did, he stood up, stood out,
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: and um, this is I'd say the two the best
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: episode was for a Loo and then for Rick. Those
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: two had the best episode. Um. I believe they both
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: will be around now a while because it wasn't like this, Um,
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: this kind of like sudden spark. Now we both got
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: to see a lot, We got to see his viewers
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: a lot of both of them, and I think that
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: proved over time. It proved that this related their relationship
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: with Michelle is something special. Yeah, they're both going to
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: go way farther than I think we would have initially imagined.
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: With Rick. Um, he he had that story that he
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: told about his dad was just heartbreaking. I mean, this
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: is the second one on one that Michelle's had where
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: she has somebody confide in her that apparent committed suicide
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: and that is a lot to handle, I mean, and
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: for him to have this guilt like with him for
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: the rest of his life because he was the one
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: who caught the dad cheating is just so heavy, so sad. Yeah,
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: you know, actually it shows us every time, and it's
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: people that go on this show and and people in
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: general have incredibly hard and also incredibly beautiful stories, and
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: we get to hear him on this show. It's one
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: of the the best parts of the show. Is that
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: does allow the space for us to connect with the
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: cast members and also have conversations that matter, which Michelle
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: is doing this year, and then have conversations with people
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: like Rick that matter and that get to know him better. Um.
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: And that's why I'm just saying, like, over time, we
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: we either fall in love with these people more or
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: we push away from him more. And for us this week,
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: especially like we understand Rick better. Um, and we'll probably
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: get to understand Rick a lot more as this season
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: goes on. But uh, that was that was a tough
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: conversation to sit through, but one that was so necessary
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: because I'm sure Rick is not the only one out
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: there who feels similar to how he's feeling now. Yeah,
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: That's one of my favorite parts of the show is
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: that people get to see, you know, viewers get to
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: watch people have these hard conversations on TV, and therefore
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: them being at home feel like more seen, which is
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: like kind of ironic that like I'm talking about being
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: seen when the theme of the episode was Michelle feeling
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: not seen. But I do think that Rick was a
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: great choice following that group date because he is the
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: kind of personality that's just going to be like obsessed
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: with her, do you know what I mean? Like he
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: probably feels like he's a little out of that she's
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: a little out of his league, and that's the kind
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: of guy that's gonna like give you, He's gonna worship
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: you if you're a Michion. Is interesting too because Mache
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, and I know this, Michelle would have had
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: no idea his story before this date. Like there's not
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: like a list of this is Rick, this is his story?
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: Do you want him to go on this world? She
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: chose Rick because she was obviously interested in Rick, and
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: he just happened to be there on a week that
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: it was so I would say, probably uh needed for
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: her and for him. Uh And and so the timing
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: of this is really beautiful because she would have known
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: his story, um when she asked him to go on
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: this week's one on one. Yes, yes, so true. So
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: the theme of being seen continues with the cocktail party
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: slash Rose ceremony when Chris is a little weird and like,
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: there were some bleepout things that I was a little
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: confused with. They were bleeping out. Uh, I guess he
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: says that's left up, right, He just like straight off
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: the top, says it's left up that you guys didn't
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: show her the effort she deserves. But I'm like, um, Chris,
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: you were on that date too. You're clumbed into that feeling.
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: She was refer into your part of the date, not
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: the nighttime portion of the date. Um, you know, you
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: just classic And this is classic guy not getting attention,
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: you know, probably on the verge of getting eliminated, and
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: he decides to get attention by creating some drama. Yeah,
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: oh yeah, I mean it just happens every season. We
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: could get upset about it every season. We could, you know,
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: throw our fists up in the air and be like, Chris,
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: what are you doing? This makes no sense? Where do
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: you hope this goes, are you trying to ruin this
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: experience for her and for everybody else there? And just
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: like help yourself out? So I'm you know what it
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: does for me, ash if I'm gonna be like harsh, yeah,
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: I just don't take him seriously anyway. I mean like
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: there's nothing to take seriously. He comes across as like
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: I used car salesman in an eighties movie. Yeah, sure, yeah,
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: that's that's a great example. It's like, all right, cool man,
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: you've you've you've said what you need to say, You've
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: had your your party here, the attention has been on you.
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: You're gone. You know, this is just in my head,
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: this doesn't matter anymore, Like and I'm tired what I
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: don't love Ashley? And it's happened now through Michelle's season,
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: it's been this constant theme is every week, somehow, some way,
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: her week has been ruined. And I remember times when
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: you know, if Michelle is feeling if her insecurity is
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: not being seen. I imagine she has some insecurities being
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: the bachelor, Like she's doing an incredible job, but like
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: at some point you're holding on for anything just to
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: feel like you belong there. As the bachelors so you
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: can can you continue to date and function this environment?
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: And if every week you're in your own head questioning
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: is anybody into me? Um? Is anybody here for me?
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: Like it's gonna mess with you Like people and viewers
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: might not get that like it does. I had two
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: weeks of this during my season where like something happened
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: when I was like, I don't think anybody actually wants
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: to be here, um And and you lay in bed
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: at night and you're like, this thing's gonna come crashing
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: down around like this thing's done. I don't belong here.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: I'm I've proven it to myself. So I'm sick of
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: that because I feel bad for Michelle that we have
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: to continue to, you know, broach this subject. I feel you,
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: how do you feel about Nate when she sat down
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: with him? Because while I'm of course more on Nate's
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: side here than Chris's, I don't think it was Nate's
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: shining moment. When he sat down. You could tell that
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: he he didn't like feeling. I mean, obviously nobody's gonna
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: like feeling targeted. Yeah, but I don't know that he
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: like reassured her in the best way. He kind of
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: came across as cool guy. Yeah, that might be that.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: I think you just explained it. You know, how do
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: I feel about it? Was? Um, he was defending, you know,
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: he felt defensive and instead of um, being in a
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: place where you are defensive of the person probably most hurt,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: which is not him, it's Michelle. He is defensive himself,
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: and that just doesn't come off well. But you know
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: it's he's also in the moment, which is why one
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: of the issues with the show is you don't have
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: time to like process and think and like step away
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: and then come back and be like, you know what
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: after you're thinking about that, Michelle, you're probably most hurt here.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: Let me hear from you. You have to almost react.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: And that's why, you know, you've heard me say it before,
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: and we've talked about like the best leads and the
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: best cast members are ones that don't overreact. Um, they're
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: really get at navigating the problems. Michelle is really good
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: at navigating the problems. She takes time away, she cancels
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: cocktail parties. She says, Hey, I'm not ready to speak
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: on this stuff yet. But for Nate, it was I
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: felt like he just started talking too soon, and it
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: came off it came off fairly uh self promoting and
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: not as much focused on her. I hope he turned
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: back to the guy that we saw previously come next
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: week in which they're going to Minnesota. Yeah, you and
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: I wanted them to go to Minnesota. I don't know
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: why I've been not cool with them being in Palm Springs.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: I'm just really sad that they're hot, so hot all
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: the time and so sweaty. Minnesota is gonna be great,
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: It's gonna be beautiful. Um, it's gonna be comfortable to her,
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: and you know she's down to a smaller group of people. Uh,
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: and hope. I mean we said it last week, were
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: this group guys are like the right ones for her.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: I really hope that there's somebody that emerges that I
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: feel like is the perfect combination of sweet, smart, romantic,
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: because I feel like she has romance with some guys
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: and then she has like depth and like real quality
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: in some guys. But I don't know that I'm seeing
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: someone who has the full rounded picture for I'm hoping.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: I'm hoping. Well, I mean, it's a good point. Um.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: As we talked about earlier viewers, listeners out there, who
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: do you see from Michelle right now? Who is your
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: top choices? But Ashuley so right us in Ashley as
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: we do every week. Now, who's your top three? Mm
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: hmm Joe Rodney and right, maybe Brendon Brendon, No, yeah,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: Brandon Brendon. Okay, so Brandon, Yeah, I'm gonna go Joe Rodney.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna still throw Nate up there. Um Yeah, I'm
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: gonna say I like Brandon a lot. I mean, he's
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: he's got a lot of momentum, but I still see
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: the Joe Rodney Nate thing is um as the three,
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: you know, biggest players. It's interesting if you look at
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: this list of Brandon Leroy, Joe Rodney, Clayton, Casey, Nate,
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: Chris s um I I would say that, you know, Rick, Brandon, Joe,
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: Nate Rodney are all above Clayton in terms of familiarity
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: right now. And that's just odd again, just out of me.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: We could keep beating that thought down. I just I'm
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: a little surprised by it. Super super weird thing about Joe.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: How interesting would be if she ends up with a
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: guy that she like previously d M and like lives
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: in her city. I mean it's probably happened before, maybe
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: not the city thing, but the previous d M thing.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: Well kind of a Katie and and Blake. Yeah, I
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: would say it's not gonna be there, but I think
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: it would be cool because maybe they needed this to
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: get together. Um, they needed this to push him, and
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm cool with that. Like, ultimately, we just want
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: to see everybody's love story play out, and so if
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: that's where love takes them, then that's where I love
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: takes them. Yep. All right, Well, after this, we're gonna
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: do Bachelor headlines, and Ben, you're part of Bachelor Headlines
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: and I can't wait to dig into it with you.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: It's time for Bachelor Headlines with our resident expert, Ashley.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: I get Eddie here to break down everything going on
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: in Bachelor headlines. I haven't seen the headline yet, but
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: she hinted to me that I'm in them, so uh
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: oh is Anyways, Um, here's the first headline of this week.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: Katie Thurston seemingly responds to wild rumors about her friendship
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: with John Hersey after Blake Moyne split. As according to
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: US Weekly, so there's this guy, John Hersey which you
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: may not even know if you and follow Katie or
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: him on social media. He was eliminated week two during
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: her season, and she wrote or said something on Instagram
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: this week saying, y'all are getting wild in my d ms.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: Um said internet rumors are leading me to become This
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: is weeks ago. She said this part internet rumors lead
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: me to this guy becoming a dear friend. UM, and
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: people are d m ng her things like hope you
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: guys are more than friends now heart emoji um, or
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: it won't be long until romance blooms between you guys.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: But I think she's trying to make it very clear
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: they are just friends. Apparently, she posted a picture of
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: a bouquet of flowers that she got from a friend
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: and the note said these are not romantic flowers. These
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: are happy flowers because I want you to be happy
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: and um, fans are speculating that that was from him now,
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: just based on this info. Do you think that the
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: that this guy John wants to be friends with Katie
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: or is he slowly trying to make his way out
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: of the friend zone. Oh, I'm sure he's trying to
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: make his way out of friends zone. Of I think
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of really good examples of guys and
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: girls being friends, right Sending flowers that's always. That's like
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: where you have to draw the line. That's where I
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: drew a line with Jared where I was like, Nope,
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: no matter what people tell me, he likes me. This
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: was between Bachelor and Paradise seasons because there were two moments,
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: one in October and one in March where he sent
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: me flowers and the note was so personal, definitely not
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: just friends, like he said in the second one on
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: my birthday, like the cory to your topanga, and it
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: was just like I was like, Okay, guys, you can
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: pretend like I'm crazy, but I am not. So he
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: really knows the way to your heart. Wow. All right.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: Next headline is this Ben Higgins. We we kind of
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: know him details Jessica Clark kind of know her. Also
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: wedding three efficients and countless Bachelor and Bachelor at Alums
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: is according to US Weekly, what do you want to
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: talk about? According to US Weekly and yourself three officiants,
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: how did you not mention this last week? And I
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: was grilling you about wedding details? That's a good point.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: I don't know why didn't it. Um, Yeah, we're having
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: three efficients and it's I think it's gonna be like
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: the cool unique one of the one of the unique
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: things that exists for us is, Um, we want Jessic
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: and I both wanted this wedding to be a celebration. Um,
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: And every wedding is right, but we really wanted this
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: to highlight us coming together and the people in our
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: lives that have played a role in us coming together,
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: if that's childhood, if that's you know, adulthood, whatever, and
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: so um, it's a big deal for us because we
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: have my childhood pastor, we have her childhood pastor. Uh,
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: and then we have a pastor who had a huge
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: role in my life specifically and hers over the last
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: couple of years in Denver. And so we wanted to
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: incorporate all of them because it didn't make sense for
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: us to just have one of them. And so one
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: is going to intro, one is going to do the middle,
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: one is going to do the closing, And that way
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: we get married by all three of them, and we
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: can say, like those three people in our lives, Um,
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: we'll have played a role and will now have always
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: played a role in our relationship. That's really sweet. I
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: love that. And then of course everybody wants to know
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: who's going to be there. And this guest list of
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: Bachelor contestants and alms and friends. Nobody is surprising to me,
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: but I'm going to list them off. Okay, so it's
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: me and Jared, it's not all, that's not all. That's
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: not all of them. Okay, this is what you mentioned,
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: So Me Jared, Becka Kouffrin, who's bringing her plus one, Thomas. Um.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: Then there's Dean and Kaylin. Chase mcnarry's bringing his new
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: girlfriend or I guess he's been with her for a while. Um,
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: Blake in a lease, Beckatilly, Um, Sewan Booth, Caitlin and
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: and Jason We're both invited, but they have a tour
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: date in Boston, so are not going to be there,
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: which I'm going to miss her for sure there. Um
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: and then Nick and Natalie, Chris Souls and uh. Okay,
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: so who are we missing from that? Yeah? I would
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: have to look back at the list and find out
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: who we have to cross out, but that's a lot
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: of them, most of them, right, um and uh. And
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: I'm just super pumped to have everybody there. I'm so
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: excited to see everyone, so excited. Um, so excited to
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: see everybody's so excited to celebrate with everybody. It's been
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: a long time since we've been in the together in
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: the same spot, and so um, you know, it's gonna
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: be great. It's gonna be like a reunion a lot
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: of ways. And the cool part about this is, you know,
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: these people are friends of mine, Like, these are people
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  Speaker 1: I still talk to on a regular basis. Um, there's
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  Speaker 1: still people that have a huge role in my life. Wells,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if Wells is on the I know,
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  Speaker 1: I think I meant to mention Wells separately. So it
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  Speaker 1: says he's going to be an usher. You call him
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  Speaker 1: an usher, Does that mean that you're not having a
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  Speaker 1: proper bridal party or or is he is he's a groomsman. No,
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  Speaker 1: he's like an usher. So he helps people get seated.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if that's a Midwest thing. Um, when
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  Speaker 1: you walk in, he'll be it's like, you know, it's
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  Speaker 1: there's four friends of mine. Avery uh, Wells, Yeah, they're
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  Speaker 1: gonna be ushers. They're gonna help people get seated, sit down,
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  Speaker 1: kind of get people a rally. Together. Um, so they're
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  Speaker 1: part of the wedding party. They're just ushers and not
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  Speaker 1: standing up with me. Do you have grooms been standing
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  Speaker 1: up with you? I do? Yeah, So, um they're gonna
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  Speaker 1: be uh standing up with They're gonna walk out with me,
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  Speaker 1: I believe. And then my dad is my best man,
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  Speaker 1: as I mentioned, Um and so they Yes, I do
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  Speaker 1: have RNs with standing up with me. That's very important
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  Speaker 1: to me. Uh. And and and Jess, I mean she
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  Speaker 1: has a lot of friends that she won standing besider lovely. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so excited. We will have a big report next week.
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  Speaker 1: There were four days away ash four days, four days
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  Speaker 1: so so crazy, very exciting. Um yeah, I can't wait,
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  Speaker 1: can't wait. I gonna cry my eyes out. I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna be I'm gonna be a messages. You're going
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  Speaker 1: to starting to do not she said, not like out
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  Speaker 1: of anything more than just like we're so close and
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  Speaker 1: it's so exciting, and we just got to Nashville, like
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  Speaker 1: literally right when I walked in the door, and like
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  Speaker 1: I finally now feel like it's here, so um, the
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  Speaker 1: place that all started, I'm right back at it. Well, um,
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  Speaker 1: that's enough about me. Why bachelor Nations. Peter Weber says
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  Speaker 1: dating Madison prut was the most difficult experience ever disaccording
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  Speaker 1: to Eat Okay, so he goes, this is literally the
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  Speaker 1: most trying experience he's ever endured, most difficult experience ever
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  Speaker 1: been through. As much as respect as I have for
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  Speaker 1: her and think so highly of her, I definitely see
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  Speaker 1: there were differences between the two of us that probably
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  Speaker 1: weren't going to allow a meaningful long term relationship to flourish.
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  Speaker 1: Nothing against either one of us. It's just who we are.
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  Speaker 1: It is what it is. Uh, it's very interesting there.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of it probably has to
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  Speaker 1: do with religion, because she is so religious, and I
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  Speaker 1: don't know that that really ever came out about him.
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  Speaker 1: So in this article from page six that came out
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  Speaker 1: this week, it talks about how Maddie, who was waiting
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  Speaker 1: um saving herself her marriage, walked away after learning that
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  Speaker 1: Peter had been intimate with both Hannah and and Victoria
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  Speaker 1: and the fantasy suits. And he was asked about whether
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  Speaker 1: or not Maddie had had a fantasy suitet date, whether
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  Speaker 1: that would have given them a better chance, and he said,
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  Speaker 1: if that would have been the case, obviously the show
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  Speaker 1: would have gone a little different. But I really truly
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  Speaker 1: mean this. I don't know that that would have changed
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  Speaker 1: anything in the long run, which I'm pretty sure he's
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  Speaker 1: quite accurate about. I mean, yeah, of course not, because
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  Speaker 1: they ended up having like plenty of private solo conversations.
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  Speaker 1: Nothing about a fantasy suite date would have made the difference. No. Well, um,
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  Speaker 1: I don't headline other than one kind of fun one
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  Speaker 1: that we want to do. Congratulations to Tasha Adams, her fiance,
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  Speaker 1: Zack Matt, James uh and many more. Biler who else
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: was There's a lot bachelor LNG, Peter Webber did it.
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  Speaker 1: Dr Joe did it. I mean, there's a huge list
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  Speaker 1: here of people who did it. But they just ran
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  Speaker 1: in completed all of them. The New York City Marathon.
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  Speaker 1: I was in New York City the day of the marathon. Um,
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  Speaker 1: all I saw was a bunch of people and a
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  Speaker 1: lot of traffic. But it was And I also had
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: a big piece of pizza, a couple of pieces that
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  Speaker 1: night while they were running. Um, but it doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 1: Congratulations to them on on completing this. It's a huge deal.
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  Speaker 1: It is such a huge deal. I am mind boggled
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  Speaker 1: that anyone can run a marathon. I can't even believe.
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  Speaker 1: I used to run three miles in high school in
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: pe class. I give myself props for being able to
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: do that. Marathons are just I know I said this before,
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  Speaker 1: but like they fascinate me because they are just seems
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  Speaker 1: like the most difficul gould feet And for all of
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: these Bachelor alums that I've met to be able to
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  Speaker 1: have the strength and endurance to do it, like I'm
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  Speaker 1: I am and all of you guys, congratulations. Yeah. Well,
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: final headline, the fun one that we wanted to read.
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  Speaker 1: Uh e W just ranked the Bachelorette seasons. They ranked
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  Speaker 1: him in this order. Tristan number one, Ashley, your thoughts. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so I didn't watch triss this season. I mean I
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: was like fourteen when that aired, so I don't really know.
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  Speaker 1: Sounds like it was a great season though it ended
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  Speaker 1: in love and marriage and kids and it was a
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  Speaker 1: huge season. Caitlin number two. I would like to take
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  Speaker 1: credit for that since I was on that sea. I
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  Speaker 1: think you are able to take partial credit for that
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  Speaker 1: love Caitlin season. I agree, it was my favorite season two.
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  Speaker 1: If my husband wasn't on it still would have been
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: my favorite Bachelorette season. Fantastic cast, fantastic lead. Heck, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that was a great season. Jillian was number three, which
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  Speaker 1: I did not see. But did you see it? I
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  Speaker 1: did not see it. I started watching at Alley's season.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, so Jillian Harris got number three. So went
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  Speaker 1: Tris to Caitlin. Jillian. Um. Listeners, write us in your
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  Speaker 1: favorite seasons of the Bachelor. We want to hear him.
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  Speaker 1: I want to hear from you, and that's always fun
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: to do. So write us in let us know Ashley.
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  Speaker 1: That's all we got for everybody today. It's been a
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: great episode of Almost Famous podcast. I will not be
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: here next week. I promise you that I will not
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: jump back on. I'm gonna be gone, but you're gonna
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: hold down the Ford. You're gonna be on your honeymoon. Yeah,
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: your honeymoon. Wow, that's some stuff that we can't talk
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: about on air. But you have a fantastic time. All
• 1:17:41
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