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- 0:03Speaker 1: The note was circled twice in red ballpoint seven words,
- 0:09Speaker 1: she will agree if you tell her the nerve damage
- 0:11Speaker 1: is progressing. It sat beside a surgical file for a
- 0:14Speaker 1: procedure performed in two thousand seven, one procedure, a procedure
- 0:19Speaker 1: a second radiologist would later review and find no evidence
- 0:23Speaker 1: ever justified. That note was not in any official electronic record.
- 0:28Speaker 2: It existed only in.
- 0:30Speaker 1: A private accordion folder, annotated in a second hand, kept
- 0:34Speaker 1: outside the system that was supposed to protect the patient
- 0:36Speaker 1: whose name was on every page. The folder was found
- 0:39Speaker 1: in a culvert, not in a filing cabinet, not in
- 0:43Speaker 1: a safe, behind Elmhurst Medical Plaza, wedged between a concrete
- 0:48Speaker 1: lip and a tangle of roots, water damaged but intact.
- 0:53Speaker 1: Discovered on a Tuesday morning in May of two thousand
- 0:56Speaker 1: nine by a dog named Pepper and the woman holding
- 0:59Speaker 1: his leash. By noon that day, the folder was in
- 1:03Speaker 1: an evidence bag. By November, a surgeon named Craig Foster
- 1:09Speaker 1: was under arrest, and by the time Rebecca Hamilton sat
- 1:12Speaker 1: in a court room in the spring of twenty ten,
- 1:16Speaker 1: she had already lived through seventeen surgical procedures, two mortgage draws,
- 1:21Speaker 1: and five years of being told methodically that her body
- 1:25Speaker 1: was failing her. The question was never whether it had happened.
- 1:29Speaker 1: The records made that undeniable. The question was how how
- 1:34Speaker 1: one person could so completely dismantle another's relationship with her
- 1:38Speaker 1: own body, her own judgment, her own sense of what
- 1:41Speaker 1: was real, and do it inside an examining room, wearing
- 1:45Speaker 1: a white coat and calling it care. Rebecca Hamilton was
- 1:49Speaker 1: forty four years old in May of two thousand and nine.
- 1:53Speaker 1: She had taught art at Elmhurst High School long enough
- 1:57Speaker 1: that former students had graduated, moved away, and come back
- 2:01Speaker 1: to tell her what her class had meant to them.
- 2:03Speaker 1: She was the kind of teacher who remembered which student
- 2:06Speaker 1: preferred charcoal, who kept extra supplies for the ones who
- 2:10Speaker 1: couldn't afford them, and who arrived early enough on Wednesdays
- 2:15Speaker 1: to claim the corner booth at Millbrook Diner on Prospect
- 2:19Speaker 1: Street before any one else did. Joanne Platt, the waitress
- 2:23Speaker 1: who had worked that booth since two thousand three, filled
- 2:27Speaker 1: Rebecca's standing order without being asked. According to her primary
- 2:31Speaker 1: care physician, doctor Marcus Webb, Rebecca had no clinical history
- 2:36Speaker 1: of anxiety, no hypochondria, no documented pattern of health seeking
- 2:42Speaker 1: behavior that was out of the ordinary. She was not
- 2:45Speaker 1: a person who catastrophised. She was organized, grounded, and by
- 2:50Speaker 1: all accounts, deeply tethered to her routines. Her morning jog
- 2:54Speaker 1: along Riverside path, her Wednesday booth, her class room. She
- 2:58Speaker 1: jobbed the same path every morning. That detail matters. Riverside
- 3:03Speaker 1: path runs past Elmhurst Medical Plaza, the parking structure adjacent
- 3:08Speaker 1: to that path. The parking structure adjacent to that path,
- 3:13Speaker 1: the one you'd use if you wanted to watch someone's
- 3:16Speaker 1: routine without looking like you were watching, appears in records
- 3:20Speaker 1: from March of two thousand and five, three parking validations,
- 3:25Speaker 1: three separate days, all linked to doctor Craig Foster. Foster
- 3:30Speaker 1: was forty one that spring, board certified orthopedic surgeon Elmhurst
- 3:35Speaker 1: Surgical associates. Colleagues described him as methodical, unhurried. He had
- 3:41Speaker 1: a habit of sitting during consultations rather than standing, a
- 3:46Speaker 1: posture one patient advocate would later describe as deliberately leveling,
- 3:50Speaker 1: a way of seeming less clinical, more conversational, more like
- 3:55Speaker 1: someone on your side. In spring of two thousand and five,
- 3:59Speaker 1: Rebecca's prime Mary care physician referred her to a specialist
- 4:03Speaker 1: for a hand complaint. The referral was intended for doctor
- 4:07Speaker 1: Linda Oxner. According to the intake log reviewed by investigators,
- 4:11Speaker 1: there is no documented reason why it was routed instead
- 4:14Speaker 1: to doctor Craig Foster. Front desk coordinator Paula Kim's records
- 4:20Speaker 1: show the deviation, they do not explain it. Rebecca's first
- 4:24Speaker 1: consultation with Foster lasted approximately one hour. He performed a
- 4:29Speaker 1: carpal tunnel release. That procedure, reviewed later, was clinically defensible.
- 4:34Speaker 1: It was the last one that would be b There
- 4:38Speaker 1: is something about the architecture of what followed that a
- 4:41Speaker 1: single number captures better than any description. Seventeen seventeen procedures
- 4:47Speaker 1: over five years. Hand, then shoulder, then cervical spine, then
- 4:53Speaker 1: left knee, each one arriving at a moment when Rebecca's
- 4:56Speaker 1: uncertainty about her own body was highest, Each one framed
- 5:00Speaker 1: as the logical next step, necessary, urgent, what any responsible
- 5:04Speaker 1: patient would choose. In two thousand six, Rebecca voiced doubt twice.
- 5:09Speaker 1: Both times Foster pressed back, using the history of her hand,
- 5:13Speaker 1: the thing he had already fixed, the thing that had
- 5:16Speaker 1: proven him right.
- 5:17Speaker 2: Once.
- 5:18Speaker 1: According to testimony later given a trial, he did not
- 5:22Speaker 1: raise his voice, He did not threaten. He simply redirected
- 5:26Speaker 1: her attention to the evidence. She already trusted her own
- 5:29Speaker 1: prior pain, her own prior relief. By two thousand seven,
- 5:34Speaker 1: he was performing eight surgeries in a single year. That
- 5:37Speaker 1: same year, he annotated her imaging with notes claiming her
- 5:41Speaker 1: condition was progressing. Doctor Sandra Holt, an independent radiologist who
- 5:46Speaker 1: reviewed that two thousand seven imaging after Foster's arrest, found
- 5:52Speaker 1: no progression none. The annotation that would end up circled
- 5:56Speaker 1: in red ball point was written that year. Rebecca did
- 6:00Speaker 1: not know about it. She would not see it for
- 6:03Speaker 1: two more years. In the meantime, her emergency savings were
- 6:07Speaker 1: gone by February of two thousand eight. She drew a
- 6:10Speaker 1: second mortgage in May of that same year, and she
- 6:13Speaker 1: kept going back because Craig Foster had spent three years
- 6:17Speaker 1: making sure she believed, down to the level of physical
- 6:20Speaker 1: sensation that if she stopped, something irreversible would happen to
- 6:25Speaker 1: her body. That is not a metaphor. That is what
- 6:29Speaker 1: the evidence shows. He built, piece by piece inside a
- 6:32Speaker 1: patient who had no clinical reason to be afraid her
- 6:36Speaker 1: sister Diane visited in the summer of two thousand eight.
- 6:39Speaker 1: What she saw alarmed her enough that she began quietly
- 6:43Speaker 1: looking for help, not for Rebecca's body, but for what
- 6:46Speaker 1: was happening around it. That thread, once pulled, would not stop.
- 6:52Speaker 1: Diane Hamilton was not a medical professional. She was a
- 6:55Speaker 1: sister who had not seen Rebecca in.
- 6:57Speaker 2: Almost a year.
- 6:59Speaker 1: She walked into the house in the summer of two
- 7:01Speaker 1: thousand and eight and understood, without meeting a chart or
- 7:03Speaker 1: a diagnosis, that something was deeply wrong. Rebecca was not sick.
- 7:09Speaker 2: She was diminished.
- 7:10Speaker 1: Diane noticed the way Rebecca moved through her own kitchen, cautious, apologetic,
- 7:16Speaker 1: as though her body had become a thing she no
- 7:18Speaker 1: longer trusted to behave. She noticed the stacks of billing
- 7:23Speaker 1: paperwork on the table. She noticed that Rebecca could recite
- 7:26Speaker 1: Foster's recommendations from memory in the exact cadence Foster used
- 7:30Speaker 1: to deliver them. What Diane did not know yet was
- 7:34Speaker 1: that her sister had been operated on eleven times in
- 7:37Speaker 1: three years, and that the man who had performed every
- 7:40Speaker 1: one of those surgeries had once parked three times in
- 7:44Speaker 1: a single month beside the path where Rebecca jogged. She
- 7:48Speaker 1: hired John Mercer six weeks later. Mercer was a patient advocate.
- 7:53Speaker 1: His job was paperwork, billing codes, facility fees, the fine
- 7:58Speaker 1: print that most patients need ever see because they are
- 8:01Speaker 1: too busy trying to recover. He came in expecting administrative disorder.
- 8:06Speaker 1: What he found was something that did not look like
- 8:09Speaker 1: disorder at all.
- 8:11Speaker 2: It looked intentional.
- 8:12Speaker 1: The first anomaly was a facility fee charge for.
- 8:16Speaker 2: A surgical suite.
- 8:17Speaker 1: The date matched one of Rebecca's procedures, but the suite itself,
- 8:21Speaker 1: according to internal booking records, had been assigned to a
- 8:24Speaker 1: different patient that day. The fee had been billed to
- 8:27Speaker 1: Rebecca anyway. The funds, once traced, led not to Elmhurst's
- 8:32Speaker 1: Surgical Associates operating account, but to a personal account that
- 8:37Speaker 1: was not a billing error. One billing error is a mistake,
- 8:41Speaker 1: but Mercer kept pulling the thread. Ted Horner, the records
- 8:45Speaker 1: manager at the practice, later confirmed something that had struck
- 8:48Speaker 1: him at the time as unusual but not alarming. Foster
- 8:52Speaker 1: had requested that patient summaries be printed in a non
- 8:55Speaker 1: standard format physical binders, what Foster called called continuity of
- 9:01Speaker 1: care documents. These binders were not part of the official
- 9:05Speaker 1: electronic record. They existed on paper only, and the paper
- 9:10Speaker 1: at some point had ended up in an accordion folder,
- 9:14Speaker 1: which had ended up in a culvert picture.
- 9:16Speaker 2: What that means.
- 9:18Speaker 1: Every clinical justification Foster built, every note explaining why the
- 9:23Speaker 1: next procedure was necessary, why Rebecca's condition was advancing, why
- 9:28Speaker 1: waiting would be dangerous, existed in a document that was
- 9:32Speaker 1: never formally logged. The official record was clean. The working record,
- 9:37Speaker 1: the one with the red ball point annotations, was portable, deniable,
- 9:42Speaker 1: and someone had tried to make it disappear. The annotation
- 9:46Speaker 1: circled twice, the one that read, she will agree if
- 9:49Speaker 1: you tell her the nerve damages progressing. Doctor Sandra Holt
- 9:53Speaker 1: had reviewed that same twenty seven, imaging no progression. The
- 9:58Speaker 1: annotation was not a clinical observation. It was a script.
- 10:02Speaker 1: Here is where the case turns. Not because of the
- 10:05Speaker 1: billing records, not because of the folder. Those things confirmed
- 10:09Speaker 1: what Mercer suspected. But confirmation is not the same as pattern,
- 10:14Speaker 1: and pattern was what prosecutors needed if they were going
- 10:17Speaker 1: to argue this was not negligence, not a series of
- 10:21Speaker 1: clinical misjudgments, but something that had been constructed deliberately over time.
- 10:27Speaker 1: Ten days after Foster's arrest in November of two thousand nine,
- 10:31Speaker 1: a woman named Connie Marsh called the investigative team. Marsh
- 10:35Speaker 1: had been Foster's patient in Dayton late nineteen nineties. She
- 10:39Speaker 1: had undergone five procedures under his care. She had not
- 10:43Speaker 1: come forward before because she had not known there was
- 10:46Speaker 1: anything to come forward about. She had relocated. That was
- 10:50Speaker 1: the only reason she had left his orbit. Not a confrontation,
- 10:54Speaker 1: not a warning from any one, not a moment of
- 10:57Speaker 1: clarity about what had been done to her. She had
- 11:00Speaker 1: simply moved, and Foster had simply moved on. What Connie
- 11:05Speaker 1: Marsh did when she testified in the spring of two
- 11:08Speaker 1: thousand ten was provide something Rebecca's records alone could not
- 11:12Speaker 1: a before, a proof that the pattern did not begin
- 11:15Speaker 1: with Rebecca Hamilton and had not been improvised around her
- 11:19Speaker 1: particular vulnerabilities. Foster had done this before Rebecca's hand began
- 11:25Speaker 1: to ache, before he saw her on the path, before
- 11:29Speaker 1: he intercepted a referral meant for a different doctor. The
- 11:32Speaker 1: financial subpoena issued in the fall of two thousand nine
- 11:36Speaker 1: found billing discrepancies across six other patients over a nine
- 11:40Speaker 1: year period, six others nine years. Rebecca was not an exception.
- 11:46Speaker 1: She was a continuation picture the referral. One more time,
- 11:50Speaker 1: Doctor Marcus Webb writes a name on a slip of paper,
- 11:54Speaker 1: doctor Linda Oxner. That name never arrives at Oxner's office.
- 11:59Speaker 1: Paula Kim's intake log shows no documented reason for the deviation.
- 12:04Speaker 1: It simply does not happen. Rebecca walks into Elmhurst's Surgical Associates. Instead,
- 12:09Speaker 1: she sits down across from Craig Foster, who is already sitting,
- 12:14Speaker 1: a detail noted by multiple people who knew him, a
- 12:17Speaker 1: habit of leveling the room, of making the space feel
- 12:20Speaker 1: collaborative rather than hierarchical. The first consult lasts close to
- 12:25Speaker 1: an hour. The carpal tunnel release that follows is clinically defensible.
- 12:30Speaker 1: Doctor Webb confirmed it. There is no disputing that that
- 12:35Speaker 1: fact matters. It matters because the first procedure, being legitimate,
- 12:39Speaker 1: is not incidental to what came after. It is load bearing.
- 12:44Speaker 1: A surgeon who botches the first operation loses the patient immediately.
- 12:48Speaker 1: A surgeon who gets it right earns something far more
- 12:51Speaker 1: durable than satisfaction. He earns trust and trust inside a
- 12:56Speaker 1: medical relationship is not an emotion. It is a cognitive
- 13:00Speaker 1: frame book. It changes how the patient interprets subsequent information.
- 13:05Speaker 1: It makes doubt feel disloyal. Foster's written statement to the
- 13:10Speaker 1: Ohio Medical Board, submitted in mid two thousand fifteen, three
- 13:14Speaker 1: months after his second appeal failed, described the process in
- 13:19Speaker 1: his own language. He wrote about identifying Rebecca on the path.
- 13:24Speaker 1: He wrote about engineering the referral. He wrote about calibrating
- 13:28Speaker 1: his recommendations in his own words, to arrive just at
- 13:31Speaker 1: the edge of what she could refuse. He called it
- 13:34Speaker 1: a system. Nancy Stevens, Rebecca's therapist, read that letter. She
- 13:39Speaker 1: found no legible remorse in it. What she found instead
- 13:44Speaker 1: was the same structural logic Foster had used in the
- 13:48Speaker 1: exam room, a framing designed to position the writer as
- 13:51Speaker 1: the most rational person in the room.
- 13:53Speaker 2: Even in confession.
- 13:54Speaker 1: He never addressed a single word of it to Rebecca.
- 13:57Speaker 1: The letter is in the record. The folder is in
- 14:01Speaker 1: the County Evidence Archive, preserved in a sealed plastic sleeve.
- 14:05Speaker 1: The annotations are still legible. Rebecca returned to teaching in
- 14:10Speaker 1: the fall of two thousand ten. On Wednesday mornings, she
- 14:14Speaker 1: still holds the corner booth at the Millbrook Diner. Joanne
- 14:18Speaker 1: Platt still fills her standing order without being asked. Some things,
- 14:22Speaker 1: once taken do not come back intact, but some things,
- 14:27Speaker 1: the small, stubborn.
- 14:29Speaker 2: Ordinary ones hold.
- 14:30Speaker 1: The folder found its way into the record, The letter
- 14:33Speaker 1: found its way into the record. But the case did
- 14:36Speaker 1: not end with a document. It ended with a woman
- 14:39Speaker 1: standing at the front of a classroom in the fall
- 14:41Speaker 1: of two thousand ten, holding a piece of chalk, deciding
- 14:45Speaker 1: to go back. Craig Foster was arrested in November two
- 14:49Speaker 1: thousand nine. The charges were insurance fraud, medical fraud, and
- 14:54Speaker 1: three counts of felony assault procedures performed without medical.
- 14:58Speaker 2: Necessity and tied to specific patients.
- 15:01Speaker 1: That third category is worth sitting with not now practice,
- 15:06Speaker 1: not negligence assault. The trial ran in the spring of
- 15:10Speaker 1: twenty ten. Rebecca Hamilton testified for four days, four days
- 15:15Speaker 1: of sitting across from the man who had mapped her
- 15:18Speaker 1: threshold and stayed just inside it. Her testimony was detailed, chronological,
- 15:23Speaker 1: and by every account in the record, devastating. She did
- 15:27Speaker 1: not reconstruct a crime, She reconstructed a logic. She explained
- 15:31Speaker 1: methodically how each procedure had been made to feel inevitable.
- 15:35Speaker 1: Connie Marsh testified two she came forward ten days after
- 15:40Speaker 1: Foster's arrest, a prior patient from his date and practice
- 15:43Speaker 1: in the late nineteen nineties, who had undergone five procedures
- 15:47Speaker 1: before relocating, and by accident of geography, escaping his orbit.
- 15:52Speaker 1: She was not targeted a second time. She was simply
- 15:55Speaker 1: moved out of range. Her testimony established what the billing
- 15:59Speaker 1: records alone could not, that the pattern had a history,
- 16:03Speaker 1: that Rebecca was not the beginning, that nine years of
- 16:06Speaker 1: financial subpoena records pulled in the fall of two thousand
- 16:10Speaker 1: nine showed similar discrepancies across six other patients. Foster was
- 16:16Speaker 1: not a surgeon who made one catastrophic error in judgment.
- 16:20Speaker 1: He was a surgeon who had built a repeating architecture
- 16:23Speaker 1: and run it across multiple people over nearly a decade.
- 16:27Speaker 1: In June twenty ten, the jury returned guilty verdicts on
- 16:31Speaker 1: eleven of fourteen counts. Foster was sentenced to sixteen years.
- 16:37Speaker 1: He filed appeals in twenty twelve and again in twenty fourteen.
- 16:42Speaker 1: The second appeal failed in March two thousand fifteen, three
- 16:45Speaker 1: months later, in a move that investigators characterized as a confession,
- 16:49Speaker 1: he submitted a written statement to the Ohio Medical Board.
- 16:53Speaker 1: He described identifying Rebecca on the riverside path. He described
- 16:57Speaker 1: engineering the referral away from doctor Linda Oxner. He described
- 17:02Speaker 1: calibrating his recommendations to arrive, in his own phrase, just
- 17:06Speaker 1: at the edge of what she could refuse. He called
- 17:09Speaker 1: the whole operation a system. Nancy Stevens, Rebecca's therapist, read
- 17:14Speaker 1: that letter. She did not find remorse. She found the
- 17:18Speaker 1: same architecture she had identified in Foster's exam room behavior,
- 17:22Speaker 1: a prose structure designed to make the writer appear as
- 17:25Speaker 1: the most rational person in the room, even while describing
- 17:28Speaker 1: what he had done. The language of the letter mirrored
- 17:31Speaker 1: the language of manipulation. Even in confession he was framing.
- 17:36Speaker 1: He never directed a single word of it toward Rebecca.
- 17:39Speaker 1: The annotated folder remains in the County Evidence Archive, preserved
- 17:43Speaker 1: inside a sealed plastic sleeve. The red ball point annotations
- 17:48Speaker 1: are still legible. The note circled twice. She will agree
- 17:52Speaker 1: if you tell her the nerve damage is progressing. Sits
- 17:55Speaker 1: beside imaging that an independent radiologist found showed no progression
- 18:00Speaker 1: at all, the document that cracked the case open was
- 18:03Speaker 1: not generated by an investigator.
- 18:05Speaker 2: It was found by a dog.
- 18:07Speaker 1: There is a specific kind of damage this case produced
- 18:10Speaker 1: that does not appear in any charred sheet. It does
- 18:13Speaker 1: not appear in the sixteen year sentence. It does not
- 18:16Speaker 1: appear in Foster's written statement to the medical Board because
- 18:20Speaker 1: Foster never acknowledged it at all. Rebecca Hamilton was forty
- 18:23Speaker 1: four years old in May two thousand nine. She was
- 18:27Speaker 1: an art teacher. She had no clinical history of anxiety,
- 18:31Speaker 1: no history of hypochondria. Her own primary care physician, doctor
- 18:36Speaker 1: Marcus Webb, confirmed that on record, she jogged the Riverside path.
- 18:42Speaker 1: She had a Wednesday booth at the Millbrook Diner and
- 18:45Speaker 1: a standing order Joanne Platt had been filling since two
- 18:48Speaker 1: thousand three. She had a life with a specific shape.
- 18:51Speaker 1: Between two thousand five and two thousand nine, seventeen procedures moved.
- 18:58Speaker 2: Through that life.
- 19:00Speaker 1: Her emergency savings were gone by February two thousand eight.
- 19:05Speaker 1: She took a second mortgage draw in May of that year.
- 19:08Speaker 1: She was exhausted by the summer. Her sister Diane noticed
- 19:11Speaker 1: it and did not know what she was looking at,
- 19:14Speaker 1: only that something had been slowly removed. What had been
- 19:17Speaker 1: removed was not just money or physical capacity. It was
- 19:21Speaker 1: epistemic ground. Foster's system worked by making Rebecca doubt her
- 19:27Speaker 1: own perception of her body, her own memory of what
- 19:29Speaker 1: she had been told, her own sense of whether her
- 19:32Speaker 1: doubt was legitimate or just fear. By the time doctor
- 19:36Speaker 1: Pamela Voss told her in the summer of two thousand
- 19:39Speaker 1: eight that the last three procedures had no clinical basis, Rebecca.
- 19:43Speaker 2: Did not act on it.
- 19:45Speaker 1: She had been so thoroughly repositioned inside Foster's interpretive frame
- 19:50Speaker 1: that even a clear second opinion did not break through.
- 19:53Speaker 1: Nancy Stevens named what Foster had done. He had weaponized doubt.
- 19:58Speaker 1: He had taken the ordinary, very human anxiety of receiving
- 20:02Speaker 1: a medical opinion, the vulnerability of sitting across from someone
- 20:06Speaker 1: with institutional authority over your body, and he had used
- 20:10Speaker 1: it as a control mechanism. The system ran on trust,
- 20:14Speaker 1: trust that was legitimate at the start, because the first
- 20:17Speaker 1: procedure was legitimate. That is the architecture. You have to
- 20:21Speaker 1: build something real before you can dismantle something real.
- 20:25Speaker 2: This is not a story.
- 20:26Speaker 1: About a patient who was deceived by a charismatic stranger.
- 20:30Speaker 1: Rebecca Hamilton was not naive. She was a person operating
- 20:34Speaker 1: in good faith inside a system that was supposed to
- 20:36Speaker 1: protect her, overseen by a man who had spent years
- 20:39Speaker 1: learning exactly how much pressure a person's good faith could
- 20:42Speaker 1: absorb before it collapsed. The question this case leaves open
- 20:46Speaker 1: is not whether the system was dismantled. The conviction established that.
- 20:51Speaker 1: The question is how many iterations of the same architecture
- 20:55Speaker 1: are running right now inside institutions that have every structural
- 20:59Speaker 1: reason to trust the person at the center of them,
- 21:02Speaker 1: because that person, at least once was trustworthy. Connie Marsh
- 21:06Speaker 1: came forward ten days after the arrest.
- 21:10Speaker 2: She had spent years not.
- 21:11Speaker 1: Knowing that what had happened to her had a name.
- 21:14Speaker 1: She had simply moved, and moving had saved her. Rebecca
- 21:18Speaker 1: did not move. She testified for four days and watched
- 21:22Speaker 1: a jury return eleven guilty verdicts. She returned to teaching
- 21:26Speaker 1: that fault. She still holds the corner booth on Wednesday mornings.
- 21:31Speaker 1: Joanne Platt still knows the order some things Craig Foster
- 21:36Speaker 1: could calculate. He calculated the referral, the annotations, the edge
- 21:41Speaker 1: of what she could refuse. He could not calculate what
- 21:44Speaker 1: she would do after. This show is made by Obo
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