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Snakes on a plane · Citizen Frame

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  Enough is enough i have had it with these motherfucking snakes on this motherfucking
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  plane everybody strap in i'm about to open some fucking windows,
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  hey everybody this is kieran your very kind and gracious host of citizen frame
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  thanks general front back and some people's opinion are you your own and not
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  everybody the answers, but anyway, go ahead.
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  Today's a sad day. That's right.
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  Yeah, even though it's, you know, Manchester's playing today,
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  so I don't know if it's going to be a sad day as of yet.
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  But today is the end of Plain Month.
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  Yeah. This is emotional stuff. It's been such a rollercoaster journey,
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  you know, an emotional journey.
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  You know, we've had the highs, the lows, the excitement, the drama.
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  What's the What films are you watching? Kurt Russell fly out of plane.
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  You know, Nicholas Cage season today. I'll tell you what,
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  Kurt Russell flying the plane makes a lot more sense than what we get on this next film.
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  Oh, dear. Yeah. Yeah. We're here to talk Snakes on a Plane. So far,
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  Playmont's been pretty good. We've endorsed all the films.
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  Actually, quite stellar passes. Yeah. But we might hit a roadblock here.
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  We're going to see here Snakes on a Plane.
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  It's the first film that I did read up on a bit where the lead actor,
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  Samuel Jackson, says he wouldn't do the film. if they change the name.
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  Yes, I heard that. Apparently his agent said that he was wanting them to take
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  it on if they changed the name or they were going to accept it for him.
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  But it was Samuel L. Jackson said, no, he wants the name kept.
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  He loves it. It's pretty much straightforward.
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  Gee, what's this movie about? Hmm. Well, the title's probably the best thing
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  about the film, but anyway.
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  This was directed by a stuntman, David Ellis, who's a stuntman early in his
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  career and he started directing in the early 2000s.
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  Died suddenly of a heart attack at the age 60, which is sad.
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  I kind of like some of his stuff. He introduced us to Jason Statham in the States,
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  with a little film called Cellular, which I really enjoyed.
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  You guys should check it out. It's pretty good. It's with young Chris Evans,
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  Jason Statham, and Kid Basinger.
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  It's actually a pretty decent little film. Implausible, but what the heck.
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  And he did Final Destination 2, which is probably one of the better received ones.
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  Whoa, whoa, whoa. Can I just stop you there? an implausible Jason Statham film
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  no way, no I won't have it Jason Statham,
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  that's pretty good yeah I actually thought I was doing a podcast with Jason
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  Statham there that was that good you know.
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  That's pretty good I've retired X-Forces and I'm out for revenge against an
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  evil criminal people smuggling gang in every single film don't give a fuck it's
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  Jason Statham I'm gonna see it,
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  alright and don't forget big sharks,
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  Oh, yeah, absolutely. Well, the Meg, yeah. People smugglers and big sharks,
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  beware. Jason's after you.
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  All right, Steaks on a Plane had a lot of things going for it.
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  It really started making buzz on the internet, and people really wanted to see this film.
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  In fact, it went from a PG-13 to an R because of that.
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  They felt that the core audience is going to want to see some good gore and
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  so forth, so they upped the nudity and gore so they can get that R rating,
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  which is usually the opposite.
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  Usually they want a PG-13 to get more asses in the chair.
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  But in this case, they reversed it. It bombed on them. Didn't work. Movie tanked.
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  Plus $35 million to make. It made $33 million in the US.
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  $60 worldwide. But keep in mind, worldwide just means nothing.
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  They pretty much- Well, you have to take on the account promotion. Yeah.
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  You have to pretty much double your profit, double your budget.
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  And also, when I say worldwide, different production companies take over the distribution rights.
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  So Paramount doesn't see every dime of that. Long story short, it was a failure.
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  Here's the issue for me.
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  You cannot intentionally go out to make a cult classic. Cult classics happen by accident.
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  So there's been a spate of the Sharknado films.
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  There was even one recently I watched, which was terrible, called Bad CGI Gator.
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  And it's like they're trying too hard to make a cult classic.
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  Cult classics happen by accident.
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  You cannot intentionally go out to make a cult classic. And also cult classics
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  are actually films that were received poorly.
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  Are you serious? Were received poorly, but then as it progressed on the DVD
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  and so forth, people start seeing it from a different persona,
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  different eyes, I guess you can say, and they see a different film and they're actually respected.
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  Like Blade Runner and The Thing are the two ones I always go to for that and
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  this would never be a cult classic. No.
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  But that guy I think we're starting off on the wrong foot here.
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  I think we're bad mouthing it. I'm going to be honest with you.
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  I'm not going to tear this to shreds.
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  It has some mirth. It's got some decent points that I've listed two or three of them.
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  Let's just jump into it and then we'll explain more on what a cult classic is.
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  But when I think cult classic, I think The Thing. I think Big Trouble in Old
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  China. I think John Carpenter. I think, I don't think Stakes on the fucking Plains.
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  Yeah, I mean it's, and again I expect it's very difficult to make cult classics
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  in the modern era as well where things are so slick and polished anyway. You know what I mean?
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  We'll get to it. Yeah, I think the age of cult classics are done.
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  Yeah i agree i think they're gone now yeah but uh
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  maybe that's a good thing because if people put
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  snakes on a plane as a cult classic i'd be pissed yeah and also you know films
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  that have become cult classics are usually played straight you know i'm not
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  talking about the thing or blade runner which are actually very well made i'm
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  not talking about more sort of b-movie sort of, you know,
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  cult sort of cheesy fur. Like Ed Wood.
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  Yeah, well he was playing that straight believe it or not, you know,
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  with Glenn or Glenda and Plan 9 from Outer Space and stuff.
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  That's why he deserves to be a cult because there's a charm to that.
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  Exactly. Yeah. I just watched Ed Wood the other day.
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  Brilliant. Yeah, I love it. Yeah. Johnny Depp and Tim Burton. Yeah.
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  All right. So here's the one thing that the movie gets wrong. No, CGI is not bad here.
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  Even it's early 2000s. It's about 2000, whatever year it was.
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  And so CGI is fair. They actually mix real snakes here? Yeah, they do.
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  450 are real snakes, including a 22-foot python named Kitty.
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  Um that fucking pythons that terrify me
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  and all the snakes that they put in there
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  are non-venomous the only ones they put in
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  no shit yeah i know the only ones they they cgi
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  the venomous snakes there's a problem if i'm
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  going to see a film i have huge fear of
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  snakes they scare the fuck
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  out of me they terrify me now
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  i'm not saying they open up door in the
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  bathroom the snake pops out that's a cheap okay i'm talking
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  like just seeing on the screen i will shit myself i terrified
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  of snakes is that you trying to be indiana jones
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  yeah because of harrison ford yeah well like
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  if i if i look down there and i saw with salad
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  i say oh look it's snakes okay i'd be
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  like i'm not going down there fuck fuck the fuck the ark i
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  don't need i'm not getting there fuck it i i don't
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  mind snakes i mean i have had snakes wrapped around my neck and i mean obviously
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  non-venomous saying that I wouldn't fancy running into a big giant boa constricta
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  you know or any sort of poisonous venomous snake but you know yeah I don't mind them but my point is.
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  It's kind of like people who watch the movie Fall, wonderful little independent
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  film. We'll probably get to it. People should see it. But if you're afraid of
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  heights, that movie's going to terrify you.
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  It's going to terrify you. Do you get where I'm going with this?
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  This movie does not terrify me at all.
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  All right? Okay. The boa scene creeped the fuck out of me. It gets a massive
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  pass from the boa scene. It is terrifying.
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  And that's why I hate snakes, because of what they do and what they can do.
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  And so that, but we'll jump into it.
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  It doesn't have the bite it should pardon the pun,
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  but I'm actually going to defend most probably about 75% of this film and we'll see why,
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  that was a long intro but I don't give a fuck okay let's do it alright we got
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  Samuel Jackson, Juliana Marguerite, Nathan Phillips, Bobby Cannavel, David Kosher,
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  they play Neville, Claire Sean, Hank and Rick and a bunch of other misfits called
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  Mercedes 3G's, Troy, Leroy, Grace, Ken, Tiffany, Chen, and Maria.
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  Maria, we all know, is Thor's wife.
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  Yes, we reviewed a film of hers about three years ago.
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  That straight to Netflix piece of shit. I enjoyed it, remember?
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  I knew what it was. Interceptor or something.
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  I like it. Is it Ilsa Pataki? Something like that.
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  She's also in, which we reviewed recently, Furiosa. Yeah, well,
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  she does a lot of stuff with her husband. So if he's in it, she's in it, usually.
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  Better nepotism, but yes. I like him. You seem like a nice couple.
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  No, I like him. Yeah, I mean, I don't really know much about her, but yes.
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  Give him credit what credits do.
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  Well, he did start off in Home on Away, the Australian soup opera.
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  But you know. Fuck right off.
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  I'm surprised you didn't say Nathan Phillips. He's Australian.
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  Right. Well, I was just getting the left. Wow, you didn't even look him up, did you?
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  Didn't even look him up if he was in Neighbors. Way to go, neighbor boy.
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  I apologize to all Neighbors fans for my great feelings. Wow.
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  A lead Australian actor in this film, and you didn't even know that.
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  Wow. Every Australian actor was at Neighbors, and if they weren't,
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  then there's something wrong. I don't know. I didn't look up Nathan Phillips, but I'm sure he was.
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  All Australians have to do their time in Neighbors or Home and Away. Exactly.
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  The trenches, yeah. Our prisoner's cell blockage.
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  All right. So the plot's quite simple. We got our boy, Sean,
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  who witnesses what could have been
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  a brutal execution. You don't see it on screen, but it's pretty brutal.
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  It's quite brutal, yeah. Yeah, beaten by a bat, and he's got to be taken into
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  custody of John Sanders and Neville.
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  They're going to fly him to testify in L.A. from Hawaii to L.A.,
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  and the bad guy, instead of shooting them,
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  doing whatever they can to try to get them, they decide they're going to put
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  highly aggressive snakes in the plane and a special pheromone that causes them
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  to want to just fucking go batshit crazy.
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  What a completely convoluted, you know, why didn't they just shoot the guy, you know?
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  I think because we had that one scene, they show you that one little scene where
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  he's getting gunned down and then Neville saves his life and he tells him this
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  is going to go on and on if you don't do what we tell you.
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  You know what this film really lacks and it did bug me?
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  The human villain who just disappears once we get on the plane,
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  completely. I know, we needed to see him get it.
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  Yeah, big time. I don't care. He disappears completely. He's a decent villain,
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  too. I mean, yeah. For what we do see of him. He's in there for like five minutes.
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  Yeah, but he's quite decent. And what I don't get is we end with a surfing scene,
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  but we don't end with him going, at least seeing him, he's guilty.
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  There's no resolution. Yeah.
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  Show him. Not Hank on screen going, get the arrest warrant for him.
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  He's going to do life and prison. Does he want gas or the electric chair?
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  You know? There's no resolution. There's nothing.
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  Yeah. All right, but we're jumping way ahead there. Sorry, go ahead.
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  So we get ourselves to the plane. We meet Claire, Tiffany, Grace,
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  and Ken. They're the flight attendants. Actually, they're likable.
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  That's one thing I'll say about this.
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  Most of the characters are kind of likable. I kind of like that one in it.
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  Yeah. Especially the prick.
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  Oh, the English guy? Yeah. Well, he was, I mean, he is always going to die a
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  horrible death. Oh, you knew that. But I love how he goes out.
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  Well, I like how you meet, like you meet Troy in 3G. Troy, he's pretty funny.
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  He's a comedian. Keenan Thompson, I think his name is.
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  Okay. Yes. I remember. Burger. He was on Good Burger, a Nickelodeon guy. Yeah.
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  I wouldn't have been a kid, but I would have been like in my sort of twenties.
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  And there was a show of his over here that we had obviously imported from America
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  called Keenan and Kale, but it was a kid's program.
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  But I just remember vaguely sort of catching glimpses of it.
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  I'm finding it deeply annoying.
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  Yeah. Nickelodeon kid. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Yeah, you got some of the characters that are kind of stupid,
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  like Mercedes, and you've got the germaphobe, which is 3G, but he's quite good at it.
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  Yeah, he actually has a pretty good scene near the end there.
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  And so the FBI has to take over first class, and they have to put the first class in.
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  There's some very funny lines, like when they tell the fucking snob,
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  first class is booked up, you have to go sit and coach. and he makes,
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  well, these little coupons aren't going to get me to my meeting in time.
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  And then Claire says, well, I think coach will get there at the same time as first class.
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  Stuff like that. It's kind of not bad. Not bad. It's got some pretty good lines.
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  I wasn't pecking my ribs off the floor, let's just say, but patiently.
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  It's smart enough dialogue.
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  Claire's character kind of would be like that to somebody like that.
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  Yeah, sarcastic. and then when Mercedes goes oh you have to go to coach and
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  Mercedes goes oh my god is it
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  safe you know stuff like that I chuckled because you can see some of the,
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  rich pricks behaving like that oh totally 100% I mean I think anyone who works
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  in customer service would agree with that in any way you know so yes once we
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  get on the plane you got the cliches that you want to get rid of and this is
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  the part of the movie I do not like I don't like the over-the-top humor.
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  The couple having sex, getting attacked by snakes, thought was stupid.
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  The guy taking a piss, getting his dick bitten by the snake,
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  I thought was fucking stupid.
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  The snake going up a girl's, a woman's dress.
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  All this is cliche. You know this all was going to happen. It was almost like
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  they did a data dump of cliches in the first.
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  Because it takes about 40 minutes for this, all the really shit to hit the fan.
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  And so you're meeting all these different characters.
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  But once the 40 minutes hits, once everything goes to fuck, it turns for me.
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  It turns into a lot competent film than the first act. The first act was too much, too silliness.
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  And I'm assuming that was the intent of the director. We're going to show something
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  fun, you know, have a good laugh, some boobie shots.
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  Ha, ha, ha, isn't that funny? And then they up the game once the snakes take over.
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  And so you kind of get two films in
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  one which i do like the double genre yeah what really
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  helps the film is the one part well
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  they're all very good they're all good at what they do here they're all
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  competent actors they're not bad actors actually and they're pretty good but
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  it's samuel jackson and the reason samuel jackson pulls it off he's he's playing
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  it like he's doing shakespeare that's obviously he knows what he's doing he's
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  doing this so dead straight and every line he gives is like he's giving an Oscar winning performance.
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  And that's the saving grace is Samuel L. Jackson.
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  For me with Samuel L. Jackson, although regarding his acting on it,
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  I think he is a little bit phoning it in.
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  It's his presence that totally, I think saves it actually, the film.
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  Essentially, it's Samuel L. Jackson looking to kill motherfucking snakes, you know?
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  And that does save it for me. If it had been any other actor,
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  I don't know if it would have won. I don't think any other actor would have taken the role.
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  Well this is it you know i mean he was he was at
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  this point he was you know fresh out of starring in the
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  star wars prequels and stuff so yeah samuel's
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  presence alone saves us i think well i think a lot of it
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  is saved on the second act the first act is just throw away the first act would
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  have been done would it would have been better if it was directed by corman
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  yeah corman can do it better we talked about the bonnet alligator the subtle
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  humor works better than films than it did in this. Once they take away the humor.
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  We get more of a series. And it shows. I do like the fact. Yeah.
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  Edwin is in peril. I like the fact the kid got bit, little fucker.
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  I like. Those kids were pretty annoying. I love the fact when the dog gets kicked
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  into the python. That was fucking hilarious.
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  But I can't stand, you know, people and their fucking pets. There's actually
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  quite an emotional send off for the Lin Shay character.
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  You know, the teacher from Nightmare on Elm Street. Yeah. You know,
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  she's like, it's the whole sort of cop.
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  Last day before retirement. Cliché, but they're doing it with an ear hostess, i.e. her.
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  This is her last flight before retirement, and she ends up sort of sacrificing herself for a baby.
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  So it's a good little character arc. Yeah, you have a couple of those.
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  You have it with, not Sam and Jack, I do like, I go back to the cliche of,
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  I'm retiring soon, you know she's dead.
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  Then you have Sam and Jack's partner, and there's a line with Sam and Jack goes,
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  he's the bravest man I've ever known. Well, you know, he's dead.
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  Stuff like that even the dipshit.
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  Rapper 3G's he has a bit of a tiny character arc
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  where he's a complete prick throughout the whole film but then eventually he
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  turns around and apologises you know after he's been sort of basically being
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  an asshole and pushing people around it's not the greatest character arc in
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  the world you know don't get me wrong but at least it's something and then he's
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  also got decent characters because in all fairness besides the guy who kicks the dog which is funny,
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  you they're all there to help each other you meet chen he's
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  that kickboxer guy who is and he
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  ends up saving i think mercedes and he yes the arhost yeah he puts her on her
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  on his back and gets her through the alley through the uh through the aisle
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  so they're all decent even ken who i thought would be kind of annoying the guy
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  you think is kind of he's playing kind of gay and yes the whole time you don't
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  know if he's gay or not but,
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  And his character actually, I thought would be annoying, but again,
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  the second act, he turns it around.
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  I love when he takes the snake and he throws it in the microwave.
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  Yeah, yeah. And I love that death because I fucking hate snakes.
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  But did you see the setting in the microwave?
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  No, what was the setting? There's a snake setting. Was there right? I must have.
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  I had to read up on it to catch it myself. Right. But pretty funny,
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  actually. I didn't see it.
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  I like the fact you were introduced to a couple you thought would be more in
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  it. The newlywed couple, the one that was afraid of flying.
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  They died quite quickly? Yeah. They get it pretty quickly. So some of the characters
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  you are introduced to from the beginning get it pretty quick.
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  And there's a big body count. A lot of films don't have a lot of body count.
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  And they show you most of the bites and most of the deaths, especially when
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  the shit hits the fan and what they look like after.
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  And they did their homework because I was questioning, wait,
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  why is this person not dying?
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  Different snakes? different yeah exactly different
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  strengths of venom cobra all you pretty much just suck
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  that out and that's what i believe she does to the the boy to get his swelling
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  down that's right and then you have uh and then the i like the idea they're
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  using phones and even back then phones weren't really available but that is
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  well camera phones and the email and so now they're taking pictures just,
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  Yeah, they're taking pictures of the snakes so they can show the snake experts
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  in LA what they look like, what kind of venom, what kind of antidote they need.
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  I thought that was all very clever and fun.
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  There's some good ingredients here, but I would have liked to have seen more of the kickboxer guy.
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  I thought he was quite a good character. I don't think we've seen enough of
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  him. I wanted him to do more, basically more kickboxing to a snake,
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  like a roundhouse kick to a snake or something.
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  I think there should have been with the lead, the rest of the cast that we get
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  in the second act when they're all kind of isolating themselves away from the snakes.
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  Besides some, you know, extras that get sucked at, that get bitten when they start attacking again.
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  Some, like, not Troy, but maybe even G and maybe Mercedes.
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  We need some of the main characters to get it. Now, we did see it when the stewardess
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  got it, Lynn Shea, and, you know, but, like, sacrifice Ken.
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  Up the ante. Even though they do give us good body count, some of the body counts
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  should have been the regulars.
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  Yeah. I mean, it ups the tension. So there is a lack of tension here,
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  I would say, overall, in terms of the direction.
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  You know, I wanted more tension, essentially, and more stakes,
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  and that would have happened like you say, with killing off one of the bigger, more main characters?
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  Fuck. Even Samuel Jackson.
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  You know, I mean, he did it. Well, maybe not so much mirroring Deep Blue Sea.
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  Get these motherfucking planes up, get these motherfucking snakes off the motherfucking
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  plane, you know, and then he gets attacked by the boa.
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  Yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, definitely, even his partner's death,
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  because we weren't that invested in the character, because we don't see hardly
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  anything of him, it doesn't really have that emotional impact.
• 22:26
  And Snape's on a plane, I'm not talking like high stuff, you know,
• 22:29
  in terms of emotional impact, but it would have helped more if we had,
• 22:33
  you know, learnt more about that character and sort of spent more time with
• 22:38
  that character before he gets bumped off.
• 22:40
  So there is a lack of, it does lack that emotional punch. again,
• 22:43
  we're talking snakes in a plane here but still, you know, with bigger sort of
• 22:47
  action films and some of the more classic action films, there always is an emotional
• 22:53
  aspect to them, which is lacking here.
• 22:55
  Yes, we'll have the Lin Shay thing, but that's probably about the height of it Yeah, but it's now,
• 23:01
  40 minutes, and I think they do that with the Lin Shay character and with Maria's
• 23:07
  character helping the boy so I do think they do actually do a pretty good job
• 23:12
  of doing that without sugarcoating the whole film like that.
• 23:16
  They do give us a couple different characters that do self-sacrifice or do help
• 23:21
  the others, like we saw with Chen.
• 23:23
  So I do think we do get that, believe it or not, with this film.
• 23:27
  And this is why this movie's getting a pass from me, because the second act
• 23:30
  gives us everything that snakes in the plane should have been.
• 23:33
  That first act was like this.
• 23:36
  I think it was too tongue-in-cheek in the first act. If you made that a little
• 23:39
  bit darker, we would have had something.
• 23:42
  Really good. We do get a bit of it. I was just looking more, essentially.
• 23:47
  Well, then we're just watching a, well, putting in your words,
• 23:50
  a fucking neighbor's episode with snakes.
• 23:53
  Good one. I like little things. I like when Claire, they're all talking,
• 23:58
  and Claire sees the can of Coke
• 24:00
  rolling right there. She knows something's wrong with the plane. Yeah.
• 24:03
  We're not straight here. So I do love the fact this is the best part of the
• 24:09
  whole film. The fucker is Neville.
• 24:13
  They know something's wrong with the plane. They know the pilot's been bit, so he might be dead.
• 24:17
  So they can't get in because it's a failsafe door. You can't get in. Yeah.
• 24:22
  Right? And so he takes his little knife and gets in. I'm like, oh, fuck.
• 24:28
  You're not getting in. But my favorite death, and it terrified me.
• 24:33
  I looked away. I rewilded to watch it again is when the prick,
• 24:38
  as he kicks Machetti's dog.
• 24:40
  He gets bitten by the python and it shows what a python does.
• 24:44
  It wraps him and then you can see him suffocating. It goes right over his head.
• 24:48
  Just off screen. Just off screen. It's terrifying.
• 24:52
  You see the mouth of the snake open. I'm getting chills just saying this.
• 24:56
  And it starts devouring his... Yeah.
• 24:59
  Well, it doesn't look like that earlier on as well.
• 25:02
  But yes, it is the best. It's certainly the best death by a long stretch.
• 25:06
  But because he was the biggest asshole in the film He was always going to get
• 25:09
  the worst death So they're giving us that So that is expected But it is a good
• 25:14
  death and the best one in the film,
• 25:18
  And Mercedes is talking to the fucking kid, right? The kid, the kid and the brother who got bit.
• 25:22
  And she goes, what are you drawing there? And he's drawing a cobra.
• 25:25
  It's like, what the fuck? If I was here, I'd go, fuck you, kid.
• 25:28
  Why are you drawing these fuckers?
• 25:29
  Yeah, we're fucking, we're trying to save our lives. We're fighting these fuckers
• 25:33
  and you're drawing pictures of them. But that works later on.
• 25:35
  That comes into play later on. I know.
• 25:37
  I know. I know. What steak bit your brother?
• 25:41
  Oh, I drew him. I was like, oh, fuck. Yeah, I know. It is a bit sort of convenient, let's just say.
• 25:46
  But yeah but it stays on a plane.
• 25:51
  For a film that has a lot of deaths, some gore, some lot of swearing,
• 25:55
  some tits, some sex some guy getting his penis bit it has a lot of Disney moments,
• 26:01
  well I suppose they're trying to strike a balance between the sort of emotional
• 26:05
  heart, even though I was just saying earlier on that I don't think they quite
• 26:08
  capture it, but I think they were essentially trying to basically have that
• 26:13
  balance between the emotional,
• 26:15
  scenes and And also, you know, the crazy stuff with the snakes basically attacking
• 26:20
  people and, you know, you know, basically biting people's dicks off and all the rest.
• 26:27
  I do like the fact that he decides to shoot. There's a scene where he decides
• 26:31
  he's going to shoot the window and suck all the snakes out. It works.
• 26:36
  You see the boa going out.
• 26:37
  It's quite, it's quite funny. In fact, it works. But I think it's funny where,
• 26:42
  guys, strap you down, strap down, make sure you're not going to be sucked out, whatever.
• 26:47
  And yet, he shoots the window right around where people are sitting.
• 26:51
  Yeah, exactly where they're sitting.
• 26:53
  Why did you guys move on the other side of the plane first? Put your seatbelts on for the start.
• 26:57
  That would help. Yeah, get your seatbelts on. You got fucking Sean who's wrapped
• 27:01
  a piece of rope around underneath the chair. Where the fuck are you going with this, son? Yeah.
• 27:07
  But in fact, in the little scene, it does work. and when they land the plane,
• 27:11
  I do like my jump scare and the jump scare is pretty good when Sean gets bitten
• 27:14
  by a snake and he shoots him now when Neville shoots Sean I knew right away
• 27:19
  he had a bulletproof vest,
• 27:20
  but it's more about the jump scare of the snake.
• 27:23
  What I did find really stupid and irritating was whenever the guy from Keenan
• 27:27
  and Kel I don't know which one it is they get him to land a plane because he's
• 27:32
  played it on a computer game or he's good at landing planes on a computer game
• 27:36
  you know I get what the word what they were you know doing it's all meant to
• 27:40
  be tongue and cheek and a bit silly
• 27:41
  but it was just a bit annoying you know,
• 27:46
  Yeah, but they kind of do play on that. The guy who's giving him instructions
• 27:51
  tells them, we need to get somebody else in place here.
• 27:55
  And Samuel Jassica, there isn't anybody. He's got to do it.
• 27:58
  And so they kind of do one line fix it. I guess you can say, I don't like it myself.
• 28:03
  I think Claire, I think Claire could have, should have taken over because she's probably.
• 28:09
  Yeah. I don't know. But we're not going to get that.
• 28:14
  I mean, come on, snakes on the phone. Yeah, we find out Ken isn't gay.
• 28:18
  That's right, his girlfriend appears at the end. Yes, that's right.
• 28:21
  Yeah. That's the big twist. That was the big twist.
• 28:26
  Yeah. That was all right. Yeah, I've been watching this film again and just
• 28:30
  talking about Corman, not recently with Alligator and Piranha.
• 28:33
  Maybe I'm still in that zone, so I can kind of appreciate what this film was trying to do.
• 28:40
  But the first act does fail it a bit, like I mentioned.
• 28:43
  But the second act turns it fucking around. And I'll tell you what,
• 28:46
  the action doesn't stop It's not boring,
• 28:49
  it's not dull The acting is quite up to par The visual effects of the snakes
• 28:53
  are decent But that boa scene wins it for me That boa scene terrifies the fuck
• 28:58
  out of me So it has to get a pass just for that I think,
• 29:01
  well going back to what we were saying at the start About cult classic films,
• 29:06
  Corman with Piranha and stuff,
• 29:09
  I'm pretty certain at the time He wasn't going out to make a cult classic Like,
• 29:14
  you know, obviously Corman didn't direct it. He produced these films.
• 29:18
  But here, I think they're trying a bit too hard. But there's stuff I like about
• 29:23
  it, and I'm sort of on the fence.
• 29:25
  It's, you know, for a B-movie, this type of B-movie, it just about shades it for me.
• 29:33
  But, you know, in terms of a past, but I definitely have issues overall.
• 29:38
  But, yeah, it just about shades it. Samuel L. Jackson makes a difference. There you go.
• 29:44
  So there you go, guys. We're going to end Plane Month on a high note. Get it? Okay. Yeah.
• 29:52
  Rather, I thought I was going to roll my eyes and go, fuck, but it finds itself. It's all right.
• 29:59
  Yeah. I won't go out and buy it. No. Like, oh, my God. Thank God.
• 30:03
  She makes no planes available on 4K. No, thanks. No.
• 30:07
  I won't have to revisit it. But, guys, thanks for listening to Plane Month.
• 30:10
  It's been a fun one. next up we're going to tackle a
• 30:13
  little serious king with stand by
• 30:16
  me we've decided to add next to this is chuck life
• 30:19
  of chuck sorry and this is shawshank redemption but then
• 30:22
  final destinations maybe i keep
• 30:25
  promising the final destinations but we know something else is going to come
• 30:28
  up we'll get there one day you know we'll get we'll we'll get there yeah give
• 30:34
  us a shout here at citizenframe underscore podcast on instagram and of course
• 30:38
  facebook we're gonna wrap this
• 30:40
  one up I'm going to go watch the Manchester opener. Manchester United.
• 30:44
  That's such an American thing to say. It's Manchester United he's talking about.
• 30:49
  Because there's two Manchesters. There's Man City and Man United.
• 30:52
  No, there's not. There's only really one. Man City's a bot team.
• 30:56
  Manchester history. They both have history.
• 30:59
  I guarantee we just lost our listeners. Well, the Man City fans anyway.
• 31:06
  I'm playing that Fantasy League at work. Yeah.
• 31:09
  And and someone told me and you'll know I'll tell you off air they told me oh
• 31:16
  don't pick Holland we don't know what he's doing this year we don't know if
• 31:19
  he's playing I don't know the fucker scores two goals yesterday well there you go,
• 31:24
  don't listen to the advice you get in work from this from this mysterious unknown
• 31:29
  person yeah he knows what I'm talking about bastard I already I already sent
• 31:35
  him a WhatsApp okay that's it take care of yourselves and I'll chat Thank you for watching.