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Sharri | 23 May · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Well good evening.
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Speaker 2: Tonight, the scandal surrounding Channel nine deepens with shocking allegations
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Speaker 2: that the company betrayed the confidence of a high profile
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Speaker 2: female presenter when she raised concerns about sacked newsboss Darren Wick.
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Speaker 2: The on air star was horrified to discover that soon
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Speaker 2: after discussing her concerns through the appropriate channels at nine,
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Speaker 2: her confidence was breached almost immediately when the top news
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Speaker 2: exec was told about the complaint against him. Our latest
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Speaker 2: revelation about the toxic culture and the mishandling of serious
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Speaker 2: complaints comes as I can also reveal tonight that the
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Speaker 2: chief executive of nine planned a staff conference where there
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Speaker 2: would have been a humiliating ice bath challenge. Senior women
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Speaker 2: were horrified that they were being asked to strip down
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Speaker 2: to their swimwear and jump into freezing water in front
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Speaker 2: of colleagues. The plan was later abandoned. It's also emerged
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Speaker 2: that Vic had multiple consensual relationships with women working for him,
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Speaker 2: as well as being accused of sexually harassing others. According
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Speaker 2: to a senior company figure who spoke to me, because
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Speaker 2: they're so concerned about events at nine, a famous presenter
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Speaker 2: went to the People and Culture department to confide in
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Speaker 2: them about Wick and his toxic management style. Wick was
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Speaker 2: her direct boss, yet he refused to speak to her
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Speaker 2: or respond to emails, texts, or calls. The woman requested
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Speaker 2: that HR deal with her initial conversation in strict confidence,
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Speaker 2: as she hadn't yet decided whether to formalize her complaint
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Speaker 2: against Wick, the most powerful man in the news division.
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Speaker 2: Yet her concerns were immediately conveyed to Wick and her
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Speaker 2: identity was also revealed. Now, the senior nine figure who
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Speaker 2: was familiar with the events that unfolded, told me that
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Speaker 2: the woman was horrified that her conversation hadn't been kept
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Speaker 2: confidential and that her trust had been breached. This is
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Speaker 2: now the third nine employee known to have raised concerns
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Speaker 2: formally about Wick. The first is the woman whose complaint
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Speaker 2: led to his departure this year. The second is the
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Speaker 2: woman we raised here last night who had raised the
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Speaker 2: toxic culture at nine with a board director. And now
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Speaker 2: this presenter is the third. Now, when not accusing HR
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Speaker 2: staff of telling Wick themselves, only that the supposedly confidential
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Speaker 2: process at nine failed, the loss of confidence in the
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Speaker 2: HR department has been raised in the past week amid
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Speaker 2: concerns that women don't feel safe to raise complaints about
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Speaker 2: their superiors, and these concerns fed into the email by
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Speaker 2: Channel nine chief executive Mike Sneezeby to staff on Wednesday,
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Speaker 2: when he gave assurances that the HR process was confidential.
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Speaker 2: He said in the email, if you raise an issue,
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Speaker 2: including making a complaint, our processes are designed to ensure
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Speaker 2: the confidentiality and protection for the individual, as well as
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Speaker 2: the confidentiality of the person who the complaint is directed at.
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Speaker 2: He said this is critical no matter what level you
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Speaker 2: are in our business to ensure you feel safe to
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Speaker 2: make a complaint and know that it will be handled
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Speaker 2: seriously and discreetly. In the email, he also said that
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Speaker 2: making complaints about inappropriate conduct wouldn't be career damaging.
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Speaker 1: Now I can.
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Speaker 2: Report that Sneezbey is understood to have broken his working
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Speaker 2: holiday in Los Angeles to fly home to deal with
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Speaker 2: this crisis. He didn't respond to my questions or calls today.
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Speaker 2: My questions were about why Wick, who had a complaint
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Speaker 2: point of inappropriate behavior leveled at him, was allowed back
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Speaker 2: in the office for at least six hours on April
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Speaker 2: twenty fourth, and whether this was a failure to protect
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Speaker 2: employees and to provide them with a safe working environment.
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Speaker 2: It's also understood that Wick was given a large payout.
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Speaker 2: Now I do know I have confirmed the identity of
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Speaker 2: the woman who made the complaint against Wick that led
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Speaker 2: to his departure, and of course we will keep this confidential,
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Speaker 2: along with all other details about her. But my understanding
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Speaker 2: is she hasn't received any compensation as yet, while Wick
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Speaker 2: has received a large payout and her matter against the
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Speaker 2: company is understood to be ongoing. It's not yet clear
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Speaker 2: at all whether the claim she's made against Wick will
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Speaker 2: or won't affect her career. And why Wick was allowed
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Speaker 2: back in the office was a question that one female
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Speaker 2: employee at nine asked when Corporate Affairs boss Victoria Bucken,
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Speaker 2: hrboss Vanessa Morley and TV executive Michael Healey addressed all
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Speaker 2: staff at three o'clock yesterday. Well, they were told that
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Speaker 2: it was so he could return his equipment and collect
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Speaker 2: his belongings. Now Sky News has learned of a culture
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Speaker 2: under Darren Wick where he refused to engage with some staff,
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Speaker 2: which was seen by them as a tactic to keep reporters,
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Speaker 2: often women, on edge, while he forged extremely close bonds
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Speaker 2: with others, so close, in fact, that Vic had multiple
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Speaker 2: consensual relationships with either direct reports or junior employees in
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Speaker 2: the newsroom. One of his relationships was with a nine
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Speaker 2: News reporter and another with a producer who was promoted
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Speaker 2: to an interstate role. This created an unhealthy environment amid
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Speaker 2: allegations of favoritism. There's now deep on rest at nine
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Speaker 2: this week, as women debate whether or not to come
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Speaker 2: forward to HR with their experience of experiences of harassment
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Speaker 2: while they worked at one of the country's biggest TV networks.
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Speaker 2: Even before our revelations this week about Wick's history of
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Speaker 2: alleged inappropriate behavior, company morale was low. Confidential sources tell
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Speaker 2: me that the recent staff engagement survey across the entire
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Speaker 2: nine group recorded scores in the low sixties, reflecting both
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Speaker 2: on the culture at the company and Mike Sneezebe's own leadership.
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Speaker 2: Senior women were also appalled by the plan to hold
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Speaker 2: a staff conference in Bourel around eighteen months ago that
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Speaker 2: would feature an ice bath challenge. It would have subjected
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Speaker 2: some of the company's most senior female employees to a
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Speaker 2: humiliating public viewing in their swimwear in freezing temperatures. Now.
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Speaker 2: Our revelations tonight come after a nine network star told
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Speaker 2: me in an emotional interview yesterday that Vic had groped
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Speaker 2: her and breathed heavily down her neck at the Logis
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Speaker 2: after party in twenty nineteen. She said he had his
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Speaker 2: hands everywhere and she had to peel him off her.
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Speaker 2: She said she might have kicked or pushed him if
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Speaker 2: he was any other man, but he was a boss.
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Speaker 2: She also expressed concerns held by multiple nine female employees
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Speaker 2: about the head of Communications, Victoria Bucken. She said that
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Speaker 2: while Buckan's job has nothing to do with HR, it
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Speaker 2: did involve working, and it does involve working with talent,
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Speaker 2: including young women, and the star said she would brush
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Speaker 2: aside any suggestion of inappropriate behavior, saying that's just wiki.
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Speaker 2: But the presenter's most damning remarks were for the board
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Speaker 2: member who ignored her concerns about the toxic culture at nine.
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Speaker 1: She said there was no.
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Speaker 2: Assistance provided by the network to source the leaks, stamp
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Speaker 2: out the toxic behavior, or change the culture. She said,
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Speaker 2: after bod level, there's nowhere to go, and I was
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Speaker 2: fearful of losing my job. Nine newspapers and television thus
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Speaker 2: far have failed to report in this scandal that the
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Speaker 2: network is facing. But Ray Hadley, who is ass senior
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Speaker 2: He's untouchable today, said that the bad behavior has to stop,
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Speaker 2: and he even offered to intervene and support women who
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Speaker 2: had experienced issues.
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Speaker 3: No young woman in any workplace, whether it's nine Radio
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Speaker 3: nine entertainment, generally, should have to put up with unwandered advances.
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Speaker 3: No woman who reports such behavior should not expect, of course,
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Speaker 3: to be facing recriminations. And if you wished me to
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Speaker 3: become involved, I'm happy privately become involved, not publicly privately,
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Speaker 3: I'm available. A couple of young women have already reached
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Speaker 3: out to me, and I'm happy to not give you advice,
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Speaker 3: but just direct you to where you should go. The
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Speaker 3: lines have been drawn in the sand. The CEO, Mike Sneezeby,
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Speaker 3: has laid the ground rules, so be assured any complaint
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Speaker 3: about this sort of behavior will be dealt with promptly
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Speaker 3: and discreetly, particularly if that's how you want to handle.
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Speaker 3: And don't think this is simply the domain of nine Entertainment.
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Speaker 3: It's happened and probably still happening in other workplaces, and
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Speaker 3: I'll tell you one thing, it's bloody.
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Speaker 4: We've got to stop.
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Speaker 2: Strong remarks there from Ray Hadley. Now Fine nine finally
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Speaker 2: announced Wick's replacement today after months in former a current
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Speaker 2: affairs boss for Your Nadea, she appealed to staff to
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Speaker 2: support her in the role in a video leak to us.
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Speaker 5: To the news leadership team that I've been a part
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Speaker 5: of for the last I don't know how long.
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Speaker 6: I can't really think today.
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Speaker 2: I need all of you guys so badly, so can
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Speaker 2: we please do it together?
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Speaker 7: I want to do this together.
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Speaker 1: This is not a captain's thing.
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Speaker 6: This is We've got to do this together.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: I'm going to talk about this with my panel in
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Speaker 2: a moment. But also tonight, yet another bungle. Immigration Minister
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Speaker 2: Andrew Giles once again refuses to resign after a release
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Speaker 2: detainee was charged with murder. Also tonight, the harrowing new
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Speaker 2: footage that exposes Hermasa's atrocities against young women. It's distressing
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Speaker 2: but timely given the comparisons being made completely wrongly between
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Speaker 2: Israel and these terrorists. Former British commander Richard Kemp would
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Speaker 2: join me live in studio. He's in Australia to discuss this. Meanwhile,
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister finally fronts the media only to deflect
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Speaker 2: blame after refusing to defend Israel against the ICC's disgraceful charges.
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Speaker 1: But now let's bring it to No It's panel.
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Speaker 2: Sky News hosts Steve Price and Perth maare Basil zemplus.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to you both.
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Speaker 1: Steve, Look, let's first touch.
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Speaker 2: On this nine scandal that we've been reporting on and
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Speaker 2: breaking news of every single day this week. Do you
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Speaker 2: think it's surprising that nine hasn't been reporting about this
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Speaker 2: topic in the papers or on TV, despite going so
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Speaker 2: hard against their commercial rival Channel seven Spotlight program when
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Speaker 2: they were being exposed for allegations of poor behavior.
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Speaker 8: Of course, I'm in your story today is page one
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Speaker 8: of the Herald Sun in Melbourne. But I listened to
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Speaker 8: much of the morning radio program on throughout w which
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Speaker 8: nine owns not a mention of it at all, and
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Speaker 8: I pat on the back my old mate Ray Hadley
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Speaker 8: for bringing it up on two GB. Not one word
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Speaker 8: of it in the Age newspaper, not one word of
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Speaker 8: it in the Sydney Morning Herald. Now those two newspapers
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Speaker 8: in particular, they've always been an odd fit to the
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Speaker 8: nine corporate feeling in the company, the way that that
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Speaker 8: company operates. But you would think, given how strong they
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Speaker 8: are in these matters of the treatment of women, whether
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Speaker 8: it be domestic violence or workplace attitudes toward women, that
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Speaker 8: they may have had the courage today to come out,
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Speaker 8: report your story, back it up, ask questions themselves. But
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Speaker 8: there has been a deafening silence, and that's disgraceful.
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Speaker 2: Now, Basil, you know you're Perth Mayre, but you're obviously
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Speaker 2: aligned with the seven network. I mean, we saw such
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Speaker 2: a strong campaign of mostly legitimate news reporting from the
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Speaker 2: Sydney Morning Herald, you know, in its newspages, in its
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Speaker 2: gossip columns, but nine Television as well a current affair,
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Speaker 2: all their television programs against Channel seven when the spotlight
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Speaker 2: scandal was unfolding. But yet not a word, even though
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Speaker 2: so many women, I mean, we've been reporting every night
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Speaker 2: this week, more women, more women, more women are coming
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Speaker 2: forward with quite serious allegations of inappropriate conduct or sexual
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Speaker 2: harassment that they've experienced at Channel nine.
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Speaker 6: They're very serious allegations. That's the first thing that needs
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Speaker 6: to be said. And the culture that evidently or apparently
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Speaker 6: has existed is a very poor one, and it is refreshing,
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Speaker 6: I think to see Ray Hadley take a lead and
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Speaker 6: perhaps that is the first domino within the group to fall.
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Speaker 6: I'll also say, though, just because one group might choose
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Speaker 6: to report about another in a certain way doesn't mean
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Speaker 6: it has to be reciprocated. And ultimately, these are decisions
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Speaker 6: for the Nine Network and the Nine Group to decide
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Speaker 6: how they're going to report about affairs within their own organization.
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Speaker 6: They need to make the decision now, how do we
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Speaker 6: want to reflect, how do we want to be portrayed
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Speaker 6: from this point in and how do we want history
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Speaker 6: to judge we have dealt with these very serious actionsations
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Speaker 6: that have been made against one of our executives. I'll
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Speaker 6: also say that as somebody who's been in television and
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Speaker 6: continues in television at around the thirty year mark, just
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Speaker 6: just full stop, it doesn't make you feel good as
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Speaker 6: somebody who's been involved in this industry to hear these
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Speaker 6: sorts of allegations. Television today is a very different place
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Speaker 6: to what it was when I first joined thirty years ago,
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Speaker 6: and twenty years before that, and even fifteen or ten
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Speaker 6: years ago, but it clearly needs to continue to evolve.
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Speaker 6: There's no doubt about that. This behavior is very very poor.
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Speaker 2: Indeed, indeed it is. And you know when I did
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Speaker 2: that interview yesterday with a female presenter, and when I
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Speaker 2: spoke to her yesterday, hearing the emotion the tears as
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Speaker 2: we spoke, you know, it really brings it home just
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Speaker 2: how much this matters. Now after growing calls for Australia
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Speaker 2: to perhaps boycott, maybe withdraw from the ICC that's the
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Speaker 2: International Criminal Court, after its decision this week to issue
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Speaker 2: arrest warrant for Benjamin Netanyahu alongside hermas Well. Once again,
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Speaker 2: Albanezi has refused to directly comment on the ICC. Instead,
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Speaker 2: he just shifted the blame, can you believe it to
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Speaker 2: the Howard government.
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Speaker 1: Have a look which.
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Speaker 7: Actually was signed up to, of course not by my government,
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Speaker 7: but by the Howard government when Alexander Downer was the
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Speaker 7: Foreign Minister. So it's up to them, I think, to
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Speaker 7: explain those decisions at that time, be very clear about
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Speaker 7: what's happened to here. There's been an application, there's been
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Speaker 7: no determination by the ICC against any individual or anybody
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Speaker 7: at this point in time.
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Speaker 6: If they do proceed with the restaurant, there.
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Speaker 7: Hasn't been and I don't respond to hypothetic alls about
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Speaker 7: court cases that haven't.
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Speaker 2: Occurred with respect.
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Speaker 7: We also call for since then a humanitarian cease fire.
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Speaker 2: Steve, can you get a more week? A worse PM?
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Speaker 2: He won't even rule out that should Natanyahu come to Australia,
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Speaker 2: which obviously is not going to do that, he wouldn't
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Speaker 2: be arrested. Can the PM get any worse?
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Speaker 8: Well, it got worse again today. His response today was
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Speaker 8: even more confused. Its weak leadership and I think the
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Speaker 8: Labor Party has a real problem here. Anthony Albanezi is
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Speaker 8: being shown to be a weak man. Now. I looked
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Speaker 8: back for the reason that it was two years ago
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Speaker 8: Tuesday this week that Anthony Albanesi stood at an RSL
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Speaker 8: club in Sydney and claimed the prime ministership. I watched
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Speaker 8: the whole speech of him claiming that victory over Scott
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Speaker 8: Morrison back to write a column about it for the
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Speaker 8: Herald Sun this week, and the one thing that he
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Speaker 8: kept going back to was his main focus was going
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Speaker 8: to be as Prime Minister, shari to bring the country
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Speaker 8: together his words, not mine, accusing Morrison of being the
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Speaker 8: visive and he said he was going to bring the
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Speaker 8: country together now, I've been around a long time, even
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Speaker 8: longer than Basil. I can't remember a time when Australia
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Speaker 8: has been more divided than it is today. I'd have
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Speaker 8: to go all the way back to the early seventies
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Speaker 8: in the Vietnam War to remember a time like that.
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Speaker 8: And I think Anthony Albanizi has to step up now
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Speaker 8: and show leadership, or someone into his own party is
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Speaker 8: going to start saying this bloke doesn't deserve to be
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Speaker 8: the boss.
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Speaker 2: And you know, I.
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Speaker 1: Think you're right.
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Speaker 2: We are seeing this unprecedented level of anti Semitism. But
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Speaker 2: the issue is, and you know, I've been saying this
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Speaker 2: for a while, and it just keeps getting worse that
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Speaker 2: Albanasi is making it worse by refusing to call out
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Speaker 2: the ICC, by refusing to say, no, we can't equate
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Speaker 2: Natanyahoo with har Maas. This isn't right. He's making it
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Speaker 2: worse because he's telling everyone, all those protesters, all those students,
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Speaker 2: everyone at home, that actually Israel might be committing war crimes,
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Speaker 2: that it should be arrested, that it's PM should be
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Speaker 2: arrested for crimes against humanity when and this just fans
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Speaker 2: the flames of antisemitism, when in fact the opposite is true.
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Speaker 2: You know, I'm going to go into the detail of
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Speaker 2: that a bit later with Richard Camp when I interview him.
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Speaker 2: But Basil, what do you think about this? You know
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Speaker 2: my view, he's making the anti Semitism crisis worse by
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Speaker 2: not shutting down these falsehoods.
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Speaker 6: I think Peter Dutton's got an absolutely spot on He's
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Speaker 6: used very simple language to explain what's happened here with
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Speaker 6: the Prime minister. He said the Prime Minister has squibbed
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Speaker 6: it and that is exactly what he has done. He
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Speaker 6: has refused to take any responsibility or even take a position.
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Speaker 6: I mean that blaming that John the Howard government ridiculous.
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Speaker 6: No matter how we signed up to it or how
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Speaker 6: we became a part of it. The issue for consideration
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Speaker 6: is what is happening right now. And sometimes here in
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Speaker 6: Australia we look at Joe Biden and wonder about how
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Speaker 6: he became the President of the United States, so what
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Speaker 6: sort of a leader he is. But Joe Biden has
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Speaker 6: spoken out against what's happened with the ICC, and incredibly
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Speaker 6: incredibly Anthony Albanezi has not. Who is he fearful of?
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Speaker 6: Why won't he take a strong position. Who is he
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Speaker 6: trying to appease with this very wishy was she view?
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Speaker 6: And again I say, Peter Dutton got it spot on.
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Speaker 6: He squibbed it here the Prime Minister. That's not what
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Speaker 6: we want. We want leadership in times like this and
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Speaker 6: we're not getting it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly right. Now over to the US, and you
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Speaker 2: mentioned Joe Biden, will Nikki Hayley, who was once Donald
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Speaker 2: Trump's rival, and she only had unkind words about to
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Speaker 2: say about him, which is now saying that she will
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Speaker 2: vote for him in November.
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Speaker 9: Have a look, I put my priorities on a president
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Speaker 9: who's going to have the backs of our allies and
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Speaker 9: hold our enemies to account, who would secure the border,
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Speaker 9: no more excuses. Trump has not been perfect on these policies.
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Speaker 9: I have made that clear many many times. But Biden
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Speaker 9: has been a catastrophe.
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Speaker 2: Steve. I mean, it wasn't overwhelming support for Trump, but
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Speaker 2: you know she's going to have to get behind him.
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Speaker 1: She's going to have to be a loyal.
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Speaker 8: Republican with friends like Nicki Haley, who needs enemies. Really,
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Speaker 8: I mean it was quite a performance. She came out
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Speaker 8: there and said, well, you know, Donald Trump. I don't
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Speaker 8: really like him, but I hate Joe Biden more and
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Speaker 8: so I'm going to vote for Donald Trump. I mean,
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Speaker 8: it would have been ridiculous if she said something different
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Speaker 8: to that, and that was going to support Biden. But
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Speaker 8: all the points she raises about the weakness of Joe
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Speaker 8: Biden are absolutely correct. Donald Trump, obviously going to court
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Speaker 8: every day in New York, got his own problems. He
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Speaker 8: would probably look at Nicky Haley and say, gee, thanks
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Speaker 8: a lot.
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Speaker 1: Now just over in your neck of the woods.
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Speaker 2: Actually, Steve opposition leader John Pursuito reportedly ditched a Liberal
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Speaker 2: Party multicultural dinner and she the night. Well, the reports are,
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Speaker 2: the claims are that he was told he couldn't make
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Speaker 2: a speech. Now Basil apparently we're also hearing that John
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Speaker 2: Persudo and Peter Dutton on not having such a good
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Speaker 2: relationship at the moment.
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Speaker 6: Look, sometimes there is a blue on behind the scenes
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Speaker 6: because of how people have been treated, what role they've
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Speaker 6: been given, what opportunity to speak, etc.
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Speaker 2: Etc.
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Speaker 6: And either side of the argument may well be right,
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Speaker 6: But what really matters. The only thing, in fact it
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Speaker 6: matters with this stuff behind the scenes or the internal stuff,
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Speaker 6: is what the perception of the public is and the
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Speaker 6: perception of the public when they hear things like this
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Speaker 6: is this is school yard stuff. It reflects very poorly
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Speaker 6: on the individuals, and it reflects poorly on the party.
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Speaker 6: And so every consideration, no matter how aggrieved somebody might
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Speaker 6: feel about a situation they've been dealt. Come on, they
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Speaker 6: have to make assessments. Come on, how will this play
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Speaker 6: out to day?
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Speaker 8: They hate each other, They can't stand one. Haven't spoken
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Speaker 8: for me, consideration, they haven't spoken for me.
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Speaker 6: Are we going to expressing that?
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Speaker 2: I have a question, Steve, I have a question for you, Steve.
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Speaker 2: Does anyone like John Persuto?
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Speaker 8: No? I don't think his dog even likes I mean, seriously,
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Speaker 8: the bloke came out today and said there'll be no
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Speaker 8: nuclear power in Victoria. We don't support nuclear power for Victoria.
22:31
Speaker 8: I mean, goodness, gracious. I mean the Premier to Senator
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Speaker 8: Allen today said it was toxic and we're never going
22:36
Speaker 8: to have it and it's dangerous. What if John Persuito
22:39
Speaker 8: wants to get elected when the next election is two
22:41
Speaker 8: years away, what does he say on we can't have
22:43
Speaker 8: nuclear power here? I mean, the bloke is a dud
22:46
Speaker 8: and the sooner the Liberal Party in Victoria get rid
22:49
Speaker 8: of him, the better off will all be.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, the worrying thing is the Liberals could actually
22:56
Speaker 2: have a chance to win the next state election in Victoria,
22:59
Speaker 2: but not John Persudo is the leader. But I don't
23:01
Speaker 2: know if they have any other better options anyway.
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Speaker 6: I think we were actually saying the same things there, Steve.
23:07
Speaker 6: He's let it get away from him here, really, and
23:10
Speaker 6: isn't It doesn't matter, don't matter how bad he feels
23:12
Speaker 6: about how he's been treated. You can't say this stuff
23:15
Speaker 6: if it brings it out publicly and makes the party
23:18
Speaker 6: look bad. And clearly that's what's happening, all right.
23:21
Speaker 2: Vasil zamplers Steve Price, you'd.
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Speaker 8: Get elected if you came here. We could make you
23:25
Speaker 8: premier basis.
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Speaker 1: He wants to be premier.
23:28
Speaker 2: Wa I think Perth now premier next Victoria needs all
23:31
Speaker 2: the helper can get.
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Speaker 6: I reckon Still, all right.
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Speaker 1: Tree, thank you both so much for your time.
23:38
Speaker 2: Now coming up distressing video of the harmasatrocities against Israel
23:43
Speaker 2: while Israel recalls ambassadors from three countries after they decide
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Speaker 2: to recognize a state of Palestine from a British commander
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Speaker 2: Richard Kemp will join me live in the studio. Class
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Speaker 2: will cross to London, where the Conservative government seems to
23:57
Speaker 2: be planning its own demise. Stay tuned, Welcome back.
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Speaker 1: Well.
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Speaker 2: Harrowing footage of five Israeli female soldiers being abducted during
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Speaker 2: the October seven massacre has been released by their families.
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Speaker 2: We're now going to show you just some of the clip,
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Speaker 2: and of course I need to warn you it's distressing.
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Speaker 2: This video was taken from the body cameras worn by
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Speaker 2: Hamas terrorists. Now, these five young women are Israeli soldiers.
24:28
Speaker 2: There are reports from Israel that about sixty soldiers were
24:31
Speaker 2: killed at this particular outpost. The IDF has translated the
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Speaker 2: video and where you can hear the chilling moment these
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Speaker 2: terrorists discuss the beauty of the women they are holding captive.
24:44
Speaker 2: Have a listen, DoD Jan and Sean, Hey, how you have?
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Speaker 5: You're beautiful?
24:54
Speaker 2: Now the families have chosen to release the footage eight
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Speaker 2: months after October seven, and it is during a time
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Speaker 2: of turmoil for Israel. We've seen the shocking decision by
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Speaker 2: the International Criminal Court to request arrest warrants for Benjamin Nettija,
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Speaker 2: who alongside hamas basically drawing an equivalence, a wrong equivalence
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Speaker 2: between the two. I'm joined now by former British Commander
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Speaker 2: Richard Kemp. Richard, thank you so much for your time. Look,
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Speaker 2: let's start with the ICC decision. Do you think it
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Speaker 2: morally confuses the oppressors with the oppressed, the victims of
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Speaker 2: the October seven massacre with those who are trying to
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Speaker 2: destroy them.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, This attempt to arrest Netanya Who and his defense
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Speaker 4: minister is nothing short of an obscenity. It's actually the
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Speaker 4: ICC is a successor to the Nuremberg War tribunals after
25:49
Speaker 4: the Second World War, and it's almost the same as
25:51
Speaker 4: trying to indict Hermann Goerring and Heinrich Himmler, but also
25:56
Speaker 4: indict at the same time Winston Churchill and President. It's
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Speaker 4: the same kind of attempt to have moral equivalent equivalents
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Speaker 4: between vicious, brutal mass murderers and democracies that are trying
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Speaker 4: to defend their own people.
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Speaker 2: I mean, can you imagine, you know, you draw the
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Speaker 2: comparison with World War Two? Can you imagine if we
26:17
Speaker 2: had the woke Left Brigade then that we have now,
26:21
Speaker 2: there'd be cause not to go defeat Hitler and the Nazis,
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Speaker 2: or to free people from concentration camps because people would say, oh,
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Speaker 2: you know you're going to cause civilian loss of life.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, and it's tragic. The civilian loss of life
26:34
Speaker 4: in Gaza is a tragedy, but it is entirely due
26:38
Speaker 4: to Hamas. If her Mass has not invaded Israel with
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Speaker 4: such barbarity on the seventh of October, then there would
26:44
Speaker 4: be no war in Gaza. There would be no casualties
26:47
Speaker 4: in Gards, no deaths. It's entirely down to Hermas, and
26:51
Speaker 4: Israel has taken the most extraordinary steps to minimize civilian
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Speaker 4: casualties in Gaza, despite it's the actually opposite of what
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Speaker 4: so many people in the media, in the UN. In
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Speaker 4: the International Criminal Court accused Israel of.
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Speaker 2: Well, the ICC prosecutors relied on a panel. The panel
27:07
Speaker 2: was far from impartial, that you was stuffed with mass sympathizers.
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Speaker 1: But you know, they.
27:14
Speaker 2: Accused Israel of crimes against humanity, of war crimes. They
27:18
Speaker 2: claim they were targeting civilians. Can you tell us a
27:21
Speaker 2: bit about what the death told the civilian death toll
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Speaker 2: figures in Gaza actually show and how they compare with
27:30
Speaker 2: other wars.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and the ICC is a political court, as kangaroo court,
27:35
Speaker 4: which has no jurisdiction in this case over Israel anyway.
27:39
Speaker 4: But they're nevertheless said, attempting to seize jurisdiction to prevent
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Speaker 4: Israel from defending its people. And one of the main
27:46
Speaker 4: allegations is civilian casualties. By my calculations on the figures
27:51
Speaker 4: I've got available at the moment, the civilian to military
27:56
Speaker 4: death ratio is zero point eight to one. In other words,
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Speaker 4: zero point eight less than one civilian killed for every
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Speaker 4: competence every terrorist. And that is a terrible thing, of course,
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Speaker 4: But this is a terrorist organization that is fighting hiding
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Speaker 4: within its civilian population, and Israel, despital its efforts, has
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Speaker 4: no choice but unfortunately to kill civilians while trying to
28:18
Speaker 4: get to her mask. But if you, yeah, I was
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Speaker 4: going to say, if you compare the zero point eight
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Speaker 4: to one ratio that Israel has achieved, if you look
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Speaker 4: at Afghanistan and Iraq. In Afghanistan the ratio was five
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Speaker 4: to one, five civilians for every terrorist killed. In Iraq,
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Speaker 4: three civilians for every terrorist killed. That's by US forces
28:40
Speaker 4: a similar level probably from British forces as well, but
28:43
Speaker 4: hugely worse, I mean, and those countries did their best
28:46
Speaker 4: to minimize civilian countes as well. The Israelis have achieved
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Speaker 4: a great deal better than that.
28:51
Speaker 2: Now we see the news overnight that Israel is recalling
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Speaker 2: ambassadors in three countries that plan to recognize state of Palistine.
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Speaker 2: And even though HAMAS is the governing body in Gaza
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Speaker 2: and the Palestinian authority in the West Bank virtually agrees
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Speaker 2: with the October seven terror attacks.
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Speaker 1: What do you think of this move?
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Speaker 4: Well, I think Israel's absolutely right to take this action.
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Speaker 4: And what these countries and the United Nations General Assembly,
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Speaker 4: which voted to recognize the so called state of Palestine,
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Speaker 4: what these countries are doing is they are rewarding terrorism.
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Speaker 4: They are rewarding Hamas supported by the Palestinian Authority, by
29:30
Speaker 4: the way, on what happened on the seventh of October.
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Speaker 4: It's absolutely despicable and every country should reject this and
29:37
Speaker 4: certainly not even contemplate recognizing a state of Palestine, particularly
29:42
Speaker 4: at this time.
29:43
Speaker 2: Look, you've been in Australia for about three weeks now,
29:47
Speaker 2: what's your assessment of the levels of anti Semitism that
29:51
Speaker 2: we're experiencing here and how it compares to the UK
29:56
Speaker 2: and the US.
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Speaker 4: Well, I've spoken to many Jewish people in Australia since
29:59
Speaker 4: I came here, including quite a large number of students
30:03
Speaker 4: and high university and high school students, and they've told
30:07
Speaker 4: me many stories about the way they feel intimidated, whether
30:10
Speaker 4: it's on the streets, on university campuses or or wherever.
30:14
Speaker 4: And basically this is it's anti Israel sentiment and anti
30:20
Speaker 4: Israel action, which is basically the new form of antisemitism.
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Speaker 4: It's anti Semitism in some ways in disguise exactly, and
30:29
Speaker 4: it's the similar situations that exists in the UK and
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Speaker 4: the US. And actually, if you look below the surface
30:35
Speaker 4: these people, and I've spoken to students that there what
30:38
Speaker 4: I would call jew hate encampment at Sydney University. I've
30:42
Speaker 4: spoken to them. They refuse to condemn her mass. They
30:45
Speaker 4: can't really explain what they're doing there the real They
30:48
Speaker 4: even support her mass, of course.
30:50
Speaker 2: Indeed they say they say so openly.
30:52
Speaker 4: They do. And actually, if you scratch the surface of
30:54
Speaker 4: most of these protesters, they don't really know the cause.
30:57
Speaker 4: But what they do know is that they're opposed to Australia,
31:00
Speaker 4: they're opposed to Britain, they're opposed to the US. These
31:03
Speaker 4: are people who jump on the anti Israel bandwagon in
31:07
Speaker 4: many cases as a means to undermine and express their
31:11
Speaker 4: displeasure at our society and our values.
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Speaker 2: Look, we hear a lot, you know, from people saying, oh,
31:18
Speaker 2: anti Zionism is distinguishable from antisemitism. And in fact, there's
31:22
Speaker 2: an entire article on the ABC website about this, by
31:25
Speaker 2: the way, even though they haven't covered the antisemitism crisis
31:28
Speaker 2: in any meaningful way. But yet you know, you look
31:33
Speaker 2: at some of the videos that the students put up,
31:35
Speaker 2: the Propalestinian students, which I have, and they're chasing Zionists
31:39
Speaker 2: of campus. Well, that is basically chasing Jews, because the
31:42
Speaker 2: majority of Jews support Israel, which is of course what
31:45
Speaker 2: Zionism means.
31:46
Speaker 4: Yeah, anti Semitism. Sorry, anti Zionism is anti Semitism, there
31:51
Speaker 4: is no doubt about that. And the reality is that
31:55
Speaker 4: these encampments, these protests, which are accelerated a lot and
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Speaker 4: expanded since the seventh of October, existed in many ways
32:03
Speaker 4: before that. They exist pressure governments like the Australian government
32:08
Speaker 4: to oppose Israel's defense, oppose Israel's existence, and at the
32:13
Speaker 4: same time, the second reason for their presence is to
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Speaker 4: intimidate Jews, because of course Jews are the main supporters
32:21
Speaker 4: of Israel in our countries and they try and intimidate
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Speaker 4: them out of supporting Israel and succeed in many cases.
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Speaker 2: We have had a lot of support from Christians here too,
32:29
Speaker 2: which has been wonderful. Richard kemb It's been terrific to
32:32
Speaker 2: have you tend to meet you in person as well,
32:35
Speaker 2: so thank you very much for your time and of
32:37
Speaker 2: course your trip is thanks to the Australian Jewish Association.
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Speaker 2: Really appreciate you.
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Speaker 4: Thank you a great pleasure.
32:44
Speaker 2: Now let's turn to the United Kingdom now, where a
32:46
Speaker 2: very desperate Richi Sunak has called a snap election for
32:50
Speaker 2: the fourth of July. Have a listen to his pitch.
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Speaker 10: Only a conservative government led by me will not put
32:58
Speaker 10: our hard earned economics ability at risk, can restore pride
33:03
Speaker 10: and confidence in our country, and with a clear plan
33:07
Speaker 10: and bold action, will deliver a secure future for you, your
33:11
Speaker 10: family and our United Kingdom.
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Speaker 2: British political commentator Emma Webb joins me live now. Emma,
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Speaker 2: thank you very much for your time now. This was
33:22
Speaker 2: a very dramatic movement. It was quite unexpected, the PM
33:26
Speaker 2: standing in the rain there the song things Can Only
33:29
Speaker 2: Get Better playing in the background. This is a huge
33:33
Speaker 2: gamble for Rishi soon act. So why do you think
33:35
Speaker 2: he's taken it at this particular point in time.
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Speaker 11: Well, I think it's come as a shock to a
33:41
Speaker 11: lot of people, not just the Labor Party and Reform
33:44
Speaker 11: who frankly unprepared for this. The Labor Party don't have
33:47
Speaker 11: their manifesto ready to go, Reform don't even have all
33:51
Speaker 11: of their candidates selected at this point. But it was
33:53
Speaker 11: also an enormous shock to other Conservative MPs. In fact,
33:57
Speaker 11: there was talk overnight of attempts to Ourrishi Sunak in
34:01
Speaker 11: order to stop this election from taking place early. I
34:05
Speaker 11: think originally people thought that it was going to take
34:07
Speaker 11: place in the autumn, because it can still be stopped
34:11
Speaker 11: before Parliament is dissolved next Thursday. So this has been
34:18
Speaker 11: an enormous shock to his own MPs, to his own party.
34:21
Speaker 11: There are a number of reasons why he might have
34:23
Speaker 11: chosen to take this decision early. One of them is
34:26
Speaker 11: that inflation is down, which is one of his primary goals.
34:30
Speaker 11: It's down to two point three percent, which is just
34:33
Speaker 11: above the goals of the Bank of England. He's also
34:36
Speaker 11: managed to get through his legislation on Ruanda, which he's
34:39
Speaker 11: now almost using as a as a kind of threat
34:41
Speaker 11: to say that the planes won't take off unless he
34:44
Speaker 11: is Prime Minister on the fifth of July, which I
34:47
Speaker 11: think some people think is a bit of a dirty tactic.
34:49
Speaker 11: So there are a number of reasons, including as you
34:52
Speaker 11: were just speaking about, there this issue with the ICC
34:56
Speaker 11: that the Labor Party is in complete disarray over Gaza.
34:59
Speaker 11: It's having an enormous impact on our politics here. They
35:02
Speaker 11: lost Oldham Council because of the Muslim vote. We've seen
35:06
Speaker 11: George Galloway being elected again on the Muslim vote over
35:09
Speaker 11: the issue of Gaza. So when we see someone like
35:13
Speaker 11: the Shadow Foreign Secretary David Lammie coming out and standing
35:16
Speaker 11: by the ICCC, this is a big, big problem for
35:20
Speaker 11: the Labor Party. So it's possible that Rishi Sunak thought
35:23
Speaker 11: that now was as good a time as ever, given
35:25
Speaker 11: that there isn't a great deal that they can do
35:26
Speaker 11: over the summer recess.
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Speaker 2: Now, I mean you just outlined some of the reasons
35:31
Speaker 2: he's called the election now, but I understand that also
35:35
Speaker 2: he was concerned about his leadership, which led him to
35:38
Speaker 2: bring forward the election so that he wasn't rolled before
35:43
Speaker 2: a later election if it was called in August. But
35:46
Speaker 2: you just said there that he might now even be
35:49
Speaker 2: ousted as a result of him calling the election, So
35:53
Speaker 2: you know, it looks like, if I'm reading that correctly,
35:56
Speaker 2: that his leadership was on the line.
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Speaker 11: Either way, it's not entirely beyond the realms of possibility.
36:03
Speaker 11: There was some talk overnight, and you know, even even
36:06
Speaker 11: the Telegraph, which is some people jokingly refer to it
36:10
Speaker 11: as the Torygraph. Their headline today was things can only
36:13
Speaker 11: get wetter, and him standing in the rain and that
36:17
Speaker 11: kind of pathetic fallacy getting increasingly soaked over the course
36:20
Speaker 11: of his speech. I think, you know, it's just played
36:22
Speaker 11: into the hands of people who would accuse him of
36:25
Speaker 11: being a bit of a Tory wet So, you know,
36:28
Speaker 11: it's not completely beyond the realms of possibility. I don't
36:30
Speaker 11: think that it's going to happen, but either way, it's
36:33
Speaker 11: not good for the Conservative Party if they replace him
36:36
Speaker 11: as leader. Now, a general election has to happen before
36:38
Speaker 11: the end of the year, so you know, the chances
36:42
Speaker 11: that that would would have any positive impact at all
36:46
Speaker 11: on the Conservative Party's prospects a zero to none. So
36:50
Speaker 11: I don't think that that's necessarily going to happen. But
36:52
Speaker 11: it is possible that he's chosen to call this election now.
36:56
Speaker 11: And you know he's not. He's a very cautious person.
36:59
Speaker 11: He's not. He's not want to take risks, and I
37:01
Speaker 11: think he's had to have his arm twisted by his
37:04
Speaker 11: advisors to make this decision, to make this jump now,
37:08
Speaker 11: and he's obviously done so because he thinks that now
37:10
Speaker 11: is as good a time as any.
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Speaker 2: Yeap, All right, Emma web thank you very much for
37:14
Speaker 2: your time tonight. Now coming up, the life of the
37:17
Speaker 2: country's largest coal fire powered station extended today after years
37:22
Speaker 2: of governments using taxpayer money to force out coal and
37:26
Speaker 2: the immigration minister finally fronts the cameras are only to
37:30
Speaker 2: pin the blame once again elsewhere.
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Speaker 1: Stay tuned, welcome back well.
37:38
Speaker 2: Today, New South Wales Premier Chris Mins announced that he'd
37:42
Speaker 2: extend the life of a Raring col fired power station
37:46
Speaker 2: until at least twenty twenty seven, at a cost of
37:48
Speaker 2: two hundred and twenty five million dollars. A year. Let's
37:52
Speaker 2: bring in our political panel tonight, National Senator Matt Canavan
37:55
Speaker 2: and Sky News commentator Jason Morrison. A welcome to you both.
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Speaker 4: Matt.
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Speaker 2: Look, for a long time we've been discussing on this program.
38:05
Speaker 2: I've had Matt Kean, the former energy Minister and treasurer,
38:08
Speaker 2: on the show arguing that if you got rid of
38:11
Speaker 2: a wearing, there just wouldn't be enough power supply to
38:14
Speaker 2: keep the lights on in New South Wales.
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Speaker 1: The math just didn't add up.
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Speaker 2: It's quite incredible that it's taken a labor government to say, yeah,
38:23
Speaker 2: look we need this energy sauce.
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Speaker 12: Well, look, I'm just glad common sense has prevailed.
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Speaker 6: Shari.
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Speaker 12: There's no doubt that the energy plan that Matt Keane
38:35
Speaker 12: presided over is an utter failure. Our problem is that
38:39
Speaker 12: he's close partner in crime. Chris Bowen is now in
38:42
Speaker 12: charge federally, and Chris is doing federally what Matt did
38:47
Speaker 12: to New South Wales over a number of years. So
38:49
Speaker 12: we're not out of the woods yet. But this arrangement
38:54
Speaker 12: is going to potentially cost taxpayers up to just over
38:58
Speaker 12: five hundred million dollars for two years, just two years,
39:01
Speaker 12: over five hundred million dollars.
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Speaker 6: I mean, the.
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Speaker 12: Question's got to be asked here, at what point do
39:06
Speaker 12: we just bite the bullet and build a new coal
39:08
Speaker 12: fired POWERstation. They last for fifty years. It would only
39:13
Speaker 12: be at a cost of a few billions, so you'd
39:15
Speaker 12: make that back. If it's costing US two hundred three
39:17
Speaker 12: hundred million bucks a year for just one power station,
39:21
Speaker 12: we'd make our money back in less than a decade
39:23
Speaker 12: if we just built another one. And why don't we
39:25
Speaker 12: just do that? We should have done that years ago.
39:27
Speaker 12: But as the old Chinese saying goes, the best time
39:30
Speaker 12: to plan a tree was twenty years ago. The second
39:32
Speaker 12: best time is now. So let's get it done.
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Speaker 2: Look, Jason Morrison, you know, I remember so clearly during
39:39
Speaker 2: the state election campaign and Chris Mins was on air
39:42
Speaker 2: with Ben Fordham and Ben said, you know, are you
39:45
Speaker 2: considering extending the life and Chris said he was. And
39:48
Speaker 2: I wondered at the time whether this is just, you know,
39:50
Speaker 2: a promise that a leader makes in the run up
39:52
Speaker 2: to an election. But the fact that he's done it
39:54
Speaker 2: today is saying something about just how desperate and how
39:59
Speaker 2: die the energy supply is in New South Wales, you know, in.
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Speaker 5: Critical condition, and the report the other day largely confirmed that.
40:10
Speaker 5: I mean, here we have, you know, the collision if
40:13
Speaker 5: you want, of ideology versus reality, and the collision is
40:17
Speaker 5: we ain't going to have enough power. And Matt's right.
40:20
Speaker 5: I mean, if we are to really approach this from
40:23
Speaker 5: an economic rationalist perspective, the obvious outcome is coal is cheap.
40:28
Speaker 5: Right now, coal is very cheap. Coal's twenty twenty one prices.
40:31
Speaker 12: Again.
40:32
Speaker 5: You know, all this talk about it being really expensive
40:34
Speaker 5: because of Ukraine, that's history. And we have this sort
40:38
Speaker 5: of blind walking to the jungle and hope and pray
40:42
Speaker 5: that the winds there and the sun shines, and that
40:45
Speaker 5: the solar panel supply of what we need it just
40:47
Speaker 5: simply won't work.
40:49
Speaker 2: What we're seeing.
40:50
Speaker 5: I guess hopefully out of this is the first step
40:53
Speaker 5: of the premiers starting to actually come to the realization
40:57
Speaker 5: that it's all well and good to talk the Matt
40:59
Speaker 5: key in Chris Bowen kind of chitter chat, but the
41:03
Speaker 5: bottom line is we need reliable based power. And the
41:06
Speaker 5: only reliable based power we have at the moment right now,
41:10
Speaker 5: including at this very instant that we're on air, is Cole.
41:13
Speaker 5: Cole's doing sixty seventy percent depending on where you are
41:16
Speaker 5: in the country, even eighty in New South Wales. Percent
41:19
Speaker 5: of the of the heavy lifting right now, we wouldn't
41:22
Speaker 5: be on without it. Perhaps some people would like that,
41:24
Speaker 5: but that's just a.
41:25
Speaker 2: Realllan all right. And look, as you mentioned the Australian
41:29
Speaker 2: Energy Market Operator WAND just this week that New South
41:32
Speaker 2: Eales and Victoria are facing blackouts this summer. So maybe
41:35
Speaker 2: it takes blackouts for people to realize that, you know,
41:38
Speaker 2: the energy mix we've got at the moment isn't going
41:41
Speaker 2: to last. Now The Nightly is reporting this is an
41:46
Speaker 2: exclusive by Mark Riley that the Australian Border for US
41:49
Speaker 2: has actually set fire to dozens of illegal fishing boats.
41:54
Speaker 2: They say that they've seized almost two hundred boats and
41:58
Speaker 2: almost one thousand fishermen and women have been apprehended. This
42:02
Speaker 2: is quite an extraordinary story by Mark Riley, and he's
42:07
Speaker 2: reporting that this was going to be the biggest assault
42:10
Speaker 2: on our territorial waters in almost two decades.
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Speaker 1: Matt Canavan, have you.
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Speaker 2: Ever heard of Australian Border Force doing this before? Setting
42:20
Speaker 2: fire to dozens of illegal Indonesian fishing boats that might
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Speaker 2: have come to Australia.
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Speaker 1: I haven't sharia.
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Speaker 12: I mean I don't sit on the particular estimates committees
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Speaker 12: Senate committees that look into this stuff. So maybe this
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Speaker 12: is not unusual, but it's pretty shocking. And I don't know,
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Speaker 12: I've only just heard this news, so I'm not sure
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Speaker 12: if it's it's just breaking now pel smuggling or illegal
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Speaker 12: fishing activities. Yeah, so, I mean, you can go on
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Speaker 12: a marine app. You can go on these apps that
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Speaker 12: look at where boats are, just like the plane tracking
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Speaker 12: apps that most people probably have used. But you can
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Speaker 12: go on a boat tracking app and just go outside
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Speaker 12: of international Astralian waters into pup New Guinean waters out
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Speaker 12: to the Pacific Ocean, and there are swarms of boats
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Speaker 12: sitting there, most of them Chinese flagged, just fishing in
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Speaker 12: these areas, and obviously many of them probably do cross
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Speaker 12: into Australian waters at times and do fish illegally. And
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Speaker 12: it's just so ridiculous that we regulate our fishing industry
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Speaker 12: to such an extent that we have to imput more
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Speaker 12: than seventy percent of our seafood. Yeah, just over just
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Speaker 12: over the line, the ocean has just fished to all ends.
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Speaker 12: So it says a lot about our own regulation and
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Speaker 12: how we realise so much on imports and think we
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Speaker 12: pat ourselves on the back, think we're doing something of
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Speaker 12: the environment, when the opposit it's true.
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Speaker 2: Jason, what do you think about this story by Mark Riley?
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Speaker 1: And you know, have you ever seen this before?
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Speaker 2: I've never seen it before, setting fire Australian government to
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Speaker 2: dozens of illegal fishing boats.
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Speaker 5: Well give it, Mark Riley's got it. I dare say
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Speaker 5: there must be video footage of it as well, being
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Speaker 5: Channel seven's political letators. So if they that's the case,
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Speaker 5: good on them. I mean, you know, you want to
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Speaker 5: send a message back to Indonesia and back to other
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Speaker 5: nations that want to do this. This is what happens
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Speaker 5: when you head out. I mean, these are organized criminal
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Speaker 5: syndicates that are out there doing it. They might not
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Speaker 5: consider themselves that and in fact there's some dimwits in
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Speaker 5: Australia who think they're humanitarian assistance programs. But this is
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Speaker 5: a real problem for this country and it's a real
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Speaker 5: problem we have to tackle head on. And if it
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Speaker 5: means getting the people off, arresting them, taking them to
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Speaker 5: wherever they're going to be taken and setting the bones
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Speaker 5: alight and filming them. Do it and stick it out
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Speaker 5: online and let the world see it that Australia is
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Speaker 5: serious about protecting its borders.
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Speaker 2: All right, Let's quickly go to this former detainee who's
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Speaker 2: been charged with murder. Andrew Giles once again fronted the
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Speaker 2: cameras and deflected the blame from himself and his own government.
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Speaker 2: Matt Canavan, this is really I mean, it just keeps
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Speaker 2: getting worse and worse. But a former detainee charged with murder.
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Speaker 2: How does Albo get away with not sacking Andrew Giles.
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Speaker 12: Well, obviously, Andrew Joles is the most protected species of
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Speaker 12: all animals in the country right now, it doesn't seem
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Speaker 12: like he can do anything wrong and continue to keep
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Speaker 12: his job. This is not nicelated incident. Of course, there
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Speaker 12: are now dozens of people that have been charged or
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Speaker 12: convicted of crimes that were released by the governor after
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Speaker 12: the YQ court case. They didn't have to release those people.
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Speaker 12: Their court decision didn't say that. They preemptively released nearly
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Speaker 12: one hundred and fifty detainees, many of whom had either
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Speaker 12: been convicted or charged with crimes before. And you know,
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Speaker 12: we've got this ENZYQ case. I mean, I think we
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Speaker 12: could basically now rename NCIS Sydney NZYQ Sydney because it
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Speaker 12: would fill a whole season of crime. Shows the amount
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Speaker 12: of alleged and convicted crimes that have occurred by these detainees,
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Speaker 12: not just.
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Speaker 2: Sydney, It's across the country. And you know, I know
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Speaker 2: for a fact the Prime Minister prides himself and the
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Speaker 2: fact he hasn't lost any ministers, had to sack any ministers.
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Speaker 2: But I think it just shows his own weakness once again.
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Speaker 2: All right, Matt Canavan, Jason Morrison, thank you very much
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Speaker 2: for your time. Now after the break Labour's migration crackdown
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Speaker 2: failure as our university see a record boom in international students.
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Speaker 2: Leith Vanonslin will join me next.
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Speaker 1: Well.
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Speaker 2: Despite Labour's promise to crack down on immigration, The Australian
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Speaker 2: reports today that Australia's universities have recorded a seventeen percent
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Speaker 2: uptick on overseas enrollments compared to last year, and they
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Speaker 2: say this was driven mostly by one hundred thousand Chinese students.
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Speaker 2: Reports today a record one hundred and sixty thousand international
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Speaker 2: students enrolled at the group of eight universities in February,
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Speaker 2: Macrobusiness chief economist at leithvan Onslin joins me. Now, Leith, look,
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Speaker 2: you've been arguing we need to reduce our immigration levels,
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Speaker 2: So what do you think of this story.
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Speaker 13: I'm not surprised, Sharry. Look, the blowout in student visas
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Speaker 13: is an unfortunately path for the course for the alban
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Speaker 13: As government. It's consistently underestimated Australia in that overseas migration.
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Speaker 13: It's whole time and Spain in office. So to give
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Speaker 13: you some quick examples, the October twenty twenty two federal
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Speaker 13: budget projected two hundred and thirty five thousand net overseas
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Speaker 13: migration for last financial year. Last year's May federal budget
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Speaker 13: then increase that to four hundred thousand. Guess what it
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Speaker 13: ended up coming at five hundred and thirty thousand, which
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Speaker 13: is more than double Labour's initial projection. Now, the migration
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Speaker 13: circus continued with last year's migration protect projections for this
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Speaker 13: financial year. So December's my IFO projected three hundred and
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Speaker 13: seventy five thousand net overseas migration this financial year. Last
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Speaker 13: week's federal budget upgraded to three hundred and ninety five thousand. However,
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Speaker 13: all the indicators suggests it's going to be more like
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Speaker 13: half a million. So quite frank, this is why I
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Speaker 13: don't trust labor on immigration, Sharry. Just prior to last
47:54
Speaker 13: federal election, they promised that they're going to run a
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Speaker 13: lower migration program that we had pre pandemic. Instead they've
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Speaker 13: lifted immigration to record highs and delivered a se rental crisis.
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Speaker 2: Well, Peter Darton says that if he were PM, he'd
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Speaker 2: slash migration levels to about one hundred and forty thousand
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Speaker 2: a year for the first two years. You've got thirty seconds.
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Speaker 2: Do you think this is a good idea?
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Speaker 13: Absolutely great idea. Look, Austrains do not support big Austrai immigration.
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Speaker 13: Every single opinion poll before the pandemic said so his
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Speaker 13: opinion poll. Since I just commend Peter Dutton for finally
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Speaker 13: bringing this in the public domain and we're going to
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Speaker 13: have finally had the debate and immigration that we deserve.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's very closely tied immigration to the cost
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Speaker 2: of living crisis, to the housing crisis, as you've been arguing.
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Speaker 2: Leith Vanonsen, thank you very much for your time and.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for watching this week.
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Speaker 2: If you missed my revelation at the start of the
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Speaker 2: show and Channel nine, head to the Sky News website
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Speaker 2: it or also be in the Telly tomorrow. I'll see
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Speaker 2: you Monday at eight. And here's Paul Murray.