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Pastors' Perspective-10/09/26 · Pastors Perspective

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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Pastor's Perspective. I'm your host, Brian Perez,
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  Speaker 1: and it is Friday. We are here live in the
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  Speaker 1: We've got Pastor Brian Broderson here today answering your questions.
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  Speaker 1: What's going on, Brian?
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  Speaker 1: Well, Brian, um,
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  Speaker 1: I had Cheryl right next to me and then she
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  Speaker 1: just um
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  Speaker 1: It slipped away. I, I tried to hold on to her,
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  Speaker 1: but she said, nope, I'm going. Ah, the truth is
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  Speaker 1: she has wanted a haircut for a really long time,
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  Speaker 1: and our daughter, you know, is her hairstylist, so she
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  Speaker 1: has not had a haircut for about 6 months because
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  Speaker 1: my daughter's been, you know, here on the East Coast. So,
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  Speaker 1: so anyway, today was the day, it was the moment.
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  Speaker 1: Elsie said, Mom, I'll cut your hair right now, and
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  Speaker 1: Cheryl said, Brian.
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  Speaker 1: Adios, you're on your own, you can handle it, you're
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  Speaker 1: a big boy, and, um, yeah, so here I am. Sorry. Well,
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  Speaker 1: that's fine, but you know, Kelsey could have cut Cheryl's
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  Speaker 1: hair there on camera. That would have been cool to
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  Speaker 1: see a live haircut.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it would have been awesome. We could have done that, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Cheryl, she's a little shy though. She doesn't
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  Speaker 1: like to really get in front of the camera too much, so.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's OK. 888-564-6173 is the number to call. Let's
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  Speaker 1: answer at least one question that was submitted online, this
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  Speaker 1: one through the, I have to first um respond to
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  Speaker 1: the chatter that I heard before we came on the air.
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  Speaker 1: Somebody said they thought I was in South Connecticut, so, uh,
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  Speaker 1: there is not a South Connecticut, I guess there's a
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  Speaker 1: southern part of Connecticut, um.
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  Speaker 1: I was combining the two because I couldn't remember if
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  Speaker 1: you were in South Carolina or Connecticut, so I just
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  Speaker 1: said South Connecticut. I think it was somebody else who said. OK, yes,
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  Speaker 1: it was somebody else. It was, it wasn't me, it
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  Speaker 1: wasn't me. I would not think of saying anything like that.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't. I would, I, you know, I would, you
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  Speaker 1: are such a well informed person. I would never ever
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  Speaker 1: think that you did that.
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  Speaker 1: I know my 50 states. I know South Connecticut is
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  Speaker 1: not one of them. So, so there, neither is East Virginia.
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  Speaker 1: I just wanna make sure that um I'm OK with
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  Speaker 1: the camera because you know sometimes that's right in a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of trouble my chin get gets cut off
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  Speaker 1: but I think I'm OK. Can we see all the
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  Speaker 1: hairs on Brian's chinny chin chin?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's plenty of those. OK, yeah, yes.
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  Speaker 1: This is true. All right, 888-564-6173. Here's a question that
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  Speaker 1: was submitted online from Thomas in Fallbrook, and he writes,
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  Speaker 1: I have a question and I'm hoping you can help
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  Speaker 1: clarify it. I would like to understand whether we are
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  Speaker 1: born with only a soul or with both a soul
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  Speaker 1: and a spirit. If the spirit is attached to our soul,
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  Speaker 1: is it the same spirit as the Holy Spirit, the
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  Speaker 1: one who gives us connection to God?
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for your guidance. Brian, what would you say
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  Speaker 1: to Tomas?
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  Speaker 1: Well
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  Speaker 1: The Holy Spirit is obviously the Holy Spirit. The Holy
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  Speaker 1: Spirit is God. He's the third person of the Triune God,
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  Speaker 1: and so he's distinct from us, but he comes and
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  Speaker 1: takes up a residence in us. But um we do
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  Speaker 1: have a spirit that is not the Holy Spirit. So,
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  Speaker 1: you know, we are, um,
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  Speaker 1: Spirit beings, ah, of course, we're material, we have a
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  Speaker 1: physical body, ah, we have some, some people, you know,
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  Speaker 1: there's a debate over whether we are a, um,
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  Speaker 1: Uh, kind of a 2.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I forget the word right now, but, um, you know, 2.
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  Speaker 1: Two part being or a tripart. I remember the tripart,
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  Speaker 1: I can't remember the two part one, so I'll just
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  Speaker 1: call it two part, um, so there is bipartite theological.
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  Speaker 1: Bipart is the is the 3, yeah, yeah, but then, um, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I forget, I, my mind just like right now, but it,
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  Speaker 1: but anyway, so, you know, there's like a long, it's,
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  Speaker 1: it's more of a philosophical discussion, um, but it is
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  Speaker 1: theological as well. So anyway, are we body, soul, and spirit?
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  Speaker 1: Are those all three distinct, or is the spirit and
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  Speaker 1: the soul synonymous? And
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  Speaker 1: I know you could kind of argue both ways, although
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  Speaker 1: in Thessalonians, the apostle Paul does refer to our spirit, soul,
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  Speaker 1: and body, so he refers to all three. So anyway,
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  Speaker 1: this is a long way of just saying that we
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  Speaker 1: do possess a spirit, and that spirit is brought to
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  Speaker 1: life by the Holy Spirit when we come into a
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  Speaker 1: relationship with Jesus.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, and um something else Thomas asked is, is the
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  Speaker 1: spirit in us the Holy Spirit? Is it the same
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  Speaker 1: spirit as the Holy Spirit?
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  Speaker 1: If we've received Jesus, yes, we're in dwelt by the
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  Speaker 1: Holy Spirit, but the Spirit that's in us naturally, no,
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  Speaker 1: it's not the Holy Spirit, it's, it's our spirit. Tomas,
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  Speaker 1: is the number to call and we're gonna begin our
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  Speaker 1: time on the phones with Desiree. Oh, Desiree, listening in Fontana,
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  Speaker 1: welcome to Pastor's perspective, Desiree.
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  Speaker 1: Hi, hello.
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  Speaker 1: Hi. So, um, I had a question, um, in regards
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  Speaker 1: to some 3 visitors that I had today who were Mormons. Um,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm always open to anyone who wants to talk
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  Speaker 1: about Jesus Christ, and, and, um, so I had 23
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  Speaker 1: visitors that were coming in to talk to me about
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  Speaker 1: their beliefs in, um, Christianity and Mormon, and, um,
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  Speaker 1: They were talking to me about what makes a person
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  Speaker 1: saved and asked me what made me saved as a Christian,
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  Speaker 1: and I said that I believed in what Jesus did
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  Speaker 1: for me on the cross, and, um, and that, that
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  Speaker 1: I'm saved by the blood of Christ.
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  Speaker 1: And um they added some stuff to it and said
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  Speaker 1: that um that I'm not saved unless someone of a
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  Speaker 1: priesthood from, from Mormons or a church that has that
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  Speaker 1: that anointing to, to basically save me with, with their baptism,
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  Speaker 1: and I said, so what you're saying is there's a
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  Speaker 1: middleman besides Jesus.
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  Speaker 1: And they said, well, no, but there's a priesthood, and
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  Speaker 1: it made me think of, um, I, I believe it's
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  Speaker 1: First Peter of, of chapter two. I think it's talking
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  Speaker 1: about where, uh, we are considered royal priesthood as well
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  Speaker 1: and set apart.
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  Speaker 1: And um they just kept putting themselves in the middle
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  Speaker 1: as you cannot be saved, and I said, OK, so
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  Speaker 1: I have Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior, and, um,
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  Speaker 1: I live for Him and, um, and I have given
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  Speaker 1: my life for Him. He died for me. I live
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  Speaker 1: for Him. So what made, what are you saying? What
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  Speaker 1: happens to me when I die? Do I not go
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  Speaker 1: to heaven? And he says,
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  Speaker 1: Uh, no, you, you, you, I think you'll have to
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  Speaker 1: go through some kind of suffering, and, and I said
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  Speaker 1: that I'm sorry, but that's a lie, and, um, I
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  Speaker 1: guess it, it kind of made me think of, um,
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  Speaker 1: I wanna say Acts chapter 17 with Simon, the sorcerer of,
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  Speaker 1: of wanting to buy.
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  Speaker 1: The, uh, maybe I'm, I'm, I'm saying it wrong, but
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  Speaker 1: he wanted to be the one to basically have the
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  Speaker 1: power to, uh, baptize and for the wrong motive.
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  Speaker 1: And that's what it felt like. It just felt so
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  Speaker 1: like man-centered. And so before they left, I shook their
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  Speaker 1: hand and I said, you know, I appreciate you guys, um,
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  Speaker 1: going from door to door because they were saying basically
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  Speaker 1: the word of God is not gonna go around the
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  Speaker 1: world without them only because the word that I have,
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  Speaker 1: the Bible that I stand on firmly, is not enough
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  Speaker 1: unless they give me the Book of Mormon. I rejected
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  Speaker 1: it and I said the book that I have.
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  Speaker 1: Is enough and that's the very word that I stand
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  Speaker 1: on and um so what's your main question for us Desiree? What,
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  Speaker 1: what part did you want us to clarify?
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  Speaker 1: I, I just would like to clarify of what, what,
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  Speaker 1: what was that about? What, what really, I just wanted
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  Speaker 1: that clarification of that assurance of what truly gives you
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  Speaker 1: space for everyone to hear clearly that what it is. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: all right, Brian.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's right. Let me commend you because you did a,
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  Speaker 1: I think you did a fantastic job in talking to, um,
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  Speaker 1: the fact that she didn't slam the door on them,
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  Speaker 1: I mean that right there is because that's usually what
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  Speaker 1: Brian does when they come to my house, and you know, me,
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  Speaker 1: I mean Brian, me, they, they travel in, in groups
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  Speaker 1: of two or three, and you know they do that
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  Speaker 1: for a purpose. They, they gang up on you a
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  Speaker 1: little bit, and it's great that you held your own.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, I, I remember a conversation I had with
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  Speaker 1: some Mormons ages ago, and they, they came to my
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  Speaker 1: house as, as well, and we were talking and, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I was talking about being saved, and they're like, oh, saved,
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  Speaker 1: do you think you're saved?
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  Speaker 1: And, you know, for them, you can't be saved. Like
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  Speaker 1: you can't know you're saved. You've got to keep working
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  Speaker 1: and making sure you do all the, you know, the
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  Speaker 1: right things and of course, be part of the Latter-day
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  Speaker 1: Saints is, is that goes along with it, you know, so,
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  Speaker 1: so I, you know, I would just take them to
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  Speaker 1: the Bible and show them, for by grace you are saved,
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  Speaker 1: past tense, through faith, and, you know, the sad thing is, with,
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  Speaker 1: as it is with so many.
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  Speaker 1: Um, there's kind of a brainwashing that's gone on, and they,
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  Speaker 1: they've just been sold, um, you know, a spiritual bill
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  Speaker 1: of goods that's phony, and they, they bought it, which
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  Speaker 1: is crazy. Ah, you know, when you really start looking
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  Speaker 1: into Mormonism and the things they believe, you just think,
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  Speaker 1: how do
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  Speaker 1: Otherwise intelligent people even believe this stuff because it really
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  Speaker 1: is wild, a lot of it. And so I, I
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  Speaker 1: think you did great, ah, you obviously are saved, you've
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  Speaker 1: trusted in Jesus, that's what you do to be saved,
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  Speaker 1: and Joseph Smith lived in the 1800s and he claimed
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  Speaker 1: that he saw an angel, um, you know, Moronai appeared
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  Speaker 1: to him and told him all of the
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  Speaker 1: All of the churches were wrong and now he was
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  Speaker 1: going to be the, the founder of, of a new movement,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, there's good evidence that he was pretty
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  Speaker 1: much a con artist and probably a criminal as well, so, um,
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  Speaker 1: but that doesn't seem to dissuade anybody, which is crazy.
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  Speaker 1: 11 thing I will say though, it's interesting because they do.
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  Speaker 1: Like they were saying to you, they really put stock
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  Speaker 1: in this whole priesthood thing, and you know, they claim
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  Speaker 1: to have 12 living apostles, and they claim to possess
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  Speaker 1: the priesthood of Melchizedek, which is wild, and of Aaron also. So,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the priesthood of Aaron was the priesthood of um,
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  Speaker 1: The Old Testament. Aaron was the brother of Moses, and
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  Speaker 1: he became the first priest, high priest, and then his,
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  Speaker 1: his descendants were the priests after him. And, um, and
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  Speaker 1: then Jesus is, according to Psalm 110 and according to
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  Speaker 1: Hebrews chapter 6.
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  Speaker 1: Ah, chapter 5. He, he is a priest according to
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  Speaker 1: the Order of Melchizedek. So, so here's the point. The
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  Speaker 1: funny thing is they claim to possess the priesthood of Aaron. Well, um,
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  Speaker 1: Hebrews chapter 8 tells us the, or chapter 7, the
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  Speaker 1: end of chapter 7 tells us the priesthood of Aaron
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  Speaker 1: is obsolete, doesn't exist anymore. It went out of existence,
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  Speaker 1: and then it tells us it went out of existence
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  Speaker 1: because a new priest arose who was not a descendant
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  Speaker 1: of Aaron.
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  Speaker 1: Jesus came from the tribe of Judah, but he's a
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  Speaker 1: priest according to the Order of Melchizedek, and he holds
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  Speaker 1: an untransferable priesthood.
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  Speaker 1: So his priesthood is not transferable. It can't be passed
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  Speaker 1: on to anybody else. It's his and his alone. So
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  Speaker 1: they claim to be have the priesthood of Aaron, which
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  Speaker 1: no longer exists. They claim to have the priesthood of Melchizedek,
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  Speaker 1: which can't be passed on from Jesus. He, he forever
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  Speaker 1: is a priest. And um so anyway, that's just a
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  Speaker 1: little side note, if they come back, maybe you can
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  Speaker 1: remember that and talk to them about that, but.
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  Speaker 1: Again, good job, and, um, you know, pray for him.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, who knows?
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  Speaker 1: So you never know, God, God can break through with some,
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  Speaker 1: and I, and I have seen like in even in
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  Speaker 1: the situation where they travel together in teams or groups,
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  Speaker 1: and I, I've even seen situations where one person in
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  Speaker 1: the group, you can tell that.
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  Speaker 1: Something's not sitting quite right with them, and they could
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  Speaker 1: be the very one that the, the Holy Spirit is targeting. So,
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  Speaker 1: so it's not in vain when you do that. I'm
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  Speaker 1: glad you mentioned all that extra stuff too, Brian, because
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot of people who listen to K-wave, a
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  Speaker 1: lot of Mormons who listen to K-wave, and they've called
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  Speaker 1: into the show before. They've, you know, written emails to us, whatever,
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  Speaker 1: and they'll say,
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  Speaker 1: I wish you guys would stop putting down Mormons. We're
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  Speaker 1: your brothers and sisters too, so they're listening right now.
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  Speaker 1: I'm glad you gave that extra information.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and, you know, we
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  Speaker 1: We are glad they're listening and, and, but, but we
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  Speaker 1: really want them to come to know the real Jesus
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  Speaker 1: because you can't, you can't be saved by a Jesus who, um,
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  Speaker 1: is not the Jesus of the Bible. And the Jesus
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  Speaker 1: of the Bible, as we know in John chapter one,
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  Speaker 1: in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was
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  Speaker 1: with God and the Word was God.
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  Speaker 1: And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us. So,
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  Speaker 1: so Jesus is God. There's only one God. There's not,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's not Adam who ascended to be God.
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  Speaker 1: There's one God, the eternal Creator, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit,
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  Speaker 1: and we must.
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  Speaker 1: Embrace him by faith and what he did on the
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  Speaker 1: cross in order to be saved, and we don't add
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  Speaker 1: to that.
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  Speaker 1: We don't add to it joining another denomination or organization
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  Speaker 1: or even going from door to door and telling people
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  Speaker 1: about our beliefs. That doesn't save anybody, so only trust
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  Speaker 1: in Jesus. That's right. Desiree, thanks for your phone call
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  Speaker 1: today here on Pastor's Perspective, 888-564-6173. Let's go to Buena Park.
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  Speaker 1: And uh William, are you at Knott's Berry Farm right now?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I'm scared of rides, but, you know, I've
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  Speaker 1: had my own life of, uh, you know, thrill seeking.
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  Speaker 1: So what do you want to know today?
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  Speaker 1: Sir, all I can say is this, uh, God bless
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  Speaker 1: you guys for what you do because growing up, my
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  Speaker 1: grandma always had you guys on and it's honestly, it's great,
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  Speaker 1: it's just so encouraging, so encouraging. Y'all doing the Lord's work.
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  Speaker 1: God bless you. God bless you guys.
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  Speaker 1: Mm, well, thank you. That's great. Yes, sir. Yes, sir.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, I'm a thinker and then I, I'm, I'm always thinking.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I'm always thinking about everything.
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  Speaker 1: But, um, and, and today, in today's passage I, I
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  Speaker 1: wanted to know about was the Joel 2:28 when it says,
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  Speaker 1: and I have my Bible right here on me, you
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  Speaker 1: gotta keep the sword on me just like Peter and all. And, um,
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  Speaker 1: and it says,
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  Speaker 1: The Lord will pour out His Spirit, that's the title,
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  Speaker 1: and it shall come to pass afterward that I will
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  Speaker 1: pour out my Spirit unto all flesh.
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  Speaker 1: Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy. Your old men
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  Speaker 1: shall dream dreams. Your monks, your young men shall see visions.
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  Speaker 1: It's highlighted here in my passage. It's been on my
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  Speaker 1: mind for like, man, a while. I don't even know, probably,
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  Speaker 1: probably a while, probably like 2020, maybe 2019. I don't
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  Speaker 1: even know. But, um, in this regard, in this regard,
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  Speaker 1: I wanna know what that pertains to because like, is it,
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  Speaker 1: is it pertaining to.
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  Speaker 1: You're oneself, like maybe the goals or aspirations, and then
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  Speaker 1: stepping out of faith and if you're fearful, you could
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  Speaker 1: see yourself doing these things.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: Like whatever it may be, some things of the Lord,
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  Speaker 1: like you don't even speak, it just comes and then
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: it's like almost confirmation where you're, you, I work in
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: customer service, so I talk to different people every day,
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: what they do about their job, and it gives me
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: just my insight on what direction I should go to
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: because I, I just turned to.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: Just turned 26, so I'm a young man trying to
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  Speaker 1: find my way, you know, but, um, his way is
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: the best way, and you know, the life, you know,
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: and then, so I wanna know what that means as
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: well as to pertain to old man child your dreams.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: Now I have a, I have a grandfather. He'll be
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: turning 90, 92 in October, uh, 21st. Thank God for
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: his health. Thank you. Wow, that's great.
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  Speaker 1: His, his mind is, is, is, uh, his mind is,
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: you know, so sometimes it, it takes an effect where
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  Speaker 1: he has, he has these things, there are little episodes
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: and all that, but for the most part, his body
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: is healthy, like clean bill of health, thank God, thank God.
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  Speaker 1: That's awesome, William. So is your question like does this
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: Bible verse pertain to you? Is this something you're experiencing,
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: dreams and visions and everything, and you're wondering if this is, I,
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: I want, yeah, yeah. Mhm, mhm. All right, Brian, what
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  Speaker 1: do you say to William?
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, William, um,
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: So glad you called, and it's great that you're thinking
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: about this stuff. That's, that's good. It's good to think
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: on ah the things of God. So, so the passage
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: from Joel, and maybe you, maybe you're familiar with this,
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: but if you go over to the New Testament, to
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  Speaker 1: the second chapter of Acts, um, and we come to
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: what's called the Day of Pentecost.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: So Jesus has died, he's risen again, he's promised the
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: disciples that the Holy Spirit is going to be poured out,
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: he's ascended back into heaven, and he says, wait, um.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: Till you're empowered from, from heaven. And so then in
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: chapter two, it says, so when the day of Pentecost
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  Speaker 1: fully came, um, the Holy Spirit came down and rested
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: on the disciples as they were gathered together, and they
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: began to speak with other tongues, and there was a, um,
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: over each of their heads there was what looked like
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: a flame of fire.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: And so they, they began to speak with tongues, and
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: they began to praise God, and all kinds of people
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: from all around the world were in Jerusalem at the
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: time because this is the feast of Pentecost and all
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: of the adult males come to Jerusalem during this feast,
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: but they come from all over the world because they're
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: spread from all over the world at this time, so
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: they speak a variety of different languages.
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  Speaker 1: But they all hear this small group of people. They
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: hear them speaking the praises of God in their languages
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: from their country. And so their big question is, wow,
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: what is going on? These people are, they're kind of
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: freaked out a bit. It's like, wow, how, how do
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  Speaker 1: these people know these languages and what, what, what is
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: happening here? And somebody even said, oh yeah, they're drunk,
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: you know.
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  Speaker 1: And Peter stands up and he says, No, they're not drunk.
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  Speaker 1: It's only 9 in the morning. He says, but this
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  Speaker 1: is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel. In
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: the last days, I will pour out my Spirit on
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: all flesh. So, so Peter tells us that on the
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: day of Pentecost, Joel's prophecy was fulfilled. So the Spirit
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: was poured out on the disciples, and they were empowered
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  Speaker 1: to serve Jesus.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: So we who are believers today and everybody in between,
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: the day of Pentecost and today, um, as we put
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  Speaker 1: our trust in Jesus, we are also filled with the
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  Speaker 1: Holy Spirit and we are empowered to serve the Lord
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  Speaker 1: and God gives us a calling and He gives us
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  Speaker 1: gifts in order to fulfill the calling.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: And, um, he, like he, like you said there, he says,
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: you know, prophesying and having dreams and visions, and these
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: are the things that began to happen when the Holy
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: Spirit was poured out on the day of Pentecost. So,
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: that was the beginning of what the Bible calls the
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: last days, and we're still in that period known as
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: the last days. We're just, I think we're just at
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: the other end, the far end of the last days,
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: getting ready for Jesus to return.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: But the same Holy Spirit that was poured out on
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: that day and that was promised in Joel, the Holy Spirit.
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  Speaker 1: Is um with us today as well and so as you, William,
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  Speaker 1: you just say, Lord, you know, fill me with your spirit.
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  Speaker 1: I want to be full of the spirit in you.
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  Speaker 1: Just trust him like you're doing, you know, you're going
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  Speaker 1: to work and you're in fellowship and you're in the
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  Speaker 1: word and you're looking for opportunities to serve the Lord, God.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: is empowering you in those things. So that's what that
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: passage is about.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: William, thanks for calling in today to Pastor's Perspective. Early
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: happy birthday to your grandpa and thank your grandma for
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: always listening to K-Wave and, you know, training up her
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: grandchild and the way he should go, and all these
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: years later, he's listening to Kwave for himself. God bless you, man. Yes,
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: it is. 888-5864-6173. Rachel and Dana Point watching us on YouTube.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: We'll wave hi to Rachel. How can we help you today?
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Hi, so thanks for the call. Let me take my question.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: The question is I have um 3 of us girlfriends
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: who got together.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: And two of the ladies were talking about how their
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: grown children are just a little bit discouraged because they're
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: home kids. It's like the same story. They're both home.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: We're homeschoolers and just told their kids all their life
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: that God has a, um, someone special to wait on
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: the Lord. Well, now they're in their mid-30s. I, I
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: don't wanna give any names just in case, you know,
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: just to protect their image and whatnot, but, um, they
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: said that, um.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: Maybe, it depends on how the Lord wants to work
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: it out, um.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: Having the kids introduced, boy and girl, obviously.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: So, um, the other sister was like, that's not right,
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: you can't do that, you guys are meddling.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: But everyone seems to be open. Even I've shared the
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: story with, uh, is it, um, Isaac's wife where the
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: servant went out and they asked for a guy to, uh,
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: water the camels, um, and I think, um, she was
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: a Gentile. She wasn't even a, you know, part of the.
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  Speaker 1: You know, Israel and all that. I think she was
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: a Gentile, Rachel.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: Um,
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Rebecca, yeah, but she was part of Abraham's family,
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: so there was, um, at this point, there wasn't really
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: a nation of Israel yet, so that, that would come
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: later because her grandson Jacob would become Israel. Yeah, so, yes, exactly.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: And so I was giving my girlfriend that story to
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: remember what, and then even with how Naomi kind of
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: intermingled again, I guess.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right, yeah.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: And it was pretty, pretty hardcore the way Naomi told
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: her to do it because I would assume having a
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: woman at your feet, you know, would be such a scandal.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: But yet, um, that's how the Lord put it all
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: together and, and, and they were blessed. I mean, we
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: were blessed. She isn't she the great, great grandma of Jesus?
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: So I was telling them, yeah, so as I was
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: telling my girlfriends about.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: They're heavy hearts for their kids, and one's a boy,
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: one's like, they're around the same age, almost the same
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: uh upbringing, Calvary Chapel. It's like, it's like very parallel,
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: both of them.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: But this other um ladies like you guys are wrong
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: and that's not right and that's not of the Lord
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: and so then are you asking, is it OK to
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: like set up your kids with people you might know
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: or whatever, Rachel? Well, yeah, yeah, because it sounds like
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: their kids are, it's kind of like the same storyline
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: where they tried even the online when it was in
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: and
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: And everything's just not, it's just been a mess because
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: these people who say they're Christians, they end up not
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: being Christians and drinking and you know, so the mom's like, well,
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: my daughter doesn't drink and she's like, my son doesn't
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: drink and they're built, they're both musical, raised in Calvary.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: There you go. Maybe it's uh
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: I guess, you know, I guess the big, I mean,
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: I don't, it's not wrong to do that. I mean, it,
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: it might not work out, but, you know, if you're just,
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: obviously you can't force anybody in that direction, although many
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: people in the world today, in different parts of the world,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: actually do have arranged marriages, you know, I know people
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: that were, um,
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: Sort of promised to one another when they were little
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: children and they grew up and then they married because
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: that was the culture and um so all that to say,
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: you know, that that that still happens. It doesn't really
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: happen in our Western culture, but um.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: To suggest that maybe there could be a match here
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: and to pray about it, that's great. Obviously, at the
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: end of the day, it's the couple that's going to
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: make the decision whether or not this is, you know,
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: God bringing them together, and they might, they might come
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: together and realize, oh wow, you know, this is it,
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: this is God's plan, and they might.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: Meet each other and say, oh, you know, you're nice and,
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: you know, this is good and fine, but it doesn't
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: go anywhere beyond that. So, so I think the only
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: issue would be if, if they're trying to force something,
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: then that would be concerning, but it doesn't sound like
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: they're trying to force anything. It just sounds like they're
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: maybe just dreaming like, wow, wouldn't it be great if
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: our kids got together? Well.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: It sounds like it could be great.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: I looked up, uh, earlier this week on Monday, I
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: think it was when Char was on and, uh, the,
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: the topic got brought up about Christian dating, and I
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: think he mentioned that he met Grace through a friend,
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: that a friend kind of told him, oh, hey, I
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: want to introduce you to this girl or something.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: I don't remember the details, but you know, I'm, I'm
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: sure glad they met. Yeah, that's true. So, uh, because
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: I got a great daughter-in-law and some really great grandkids
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: out of it. So awesome. Rachel, thanks for calling in
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: and yeah, maybe go back and listen to Monday's episode,
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: October 5th, 2026. It's archived on Facebook, YouTube, Apple Podcasts,
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: and Spotify, and it is break time here on Pastors.
• 29:34
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• 29:39
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• 29:46
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• 30:20
  Speaker 1: We are back here on Pastor's Perspective, 888-564-6173, 888-564-6173. Pastor
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: Brian Broderson answering your Bible questions till 4 o'clock, so
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: call in to 888-564-6173.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: I just realized that I made a mistake and I
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: said that Rebecca was the grandmother of Jacob who became Israel.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: Rebecca was the mother of Jacob who became Israel. Sarah
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: was the grandmother, so just, you know, wanted to correct
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: that in case there were some.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: Some people concerned out there that I didn't know my
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: Bible that well. It's hard to keep track of all
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: the books and characters and everything. The other day I
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: was talking about the, um, which, which is a good
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: topic to bring up, but we do have phone calls
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: that we want to get to. But, um, the verse
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  Speaker 1: in Acts, and I can't think of it right now,
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: where
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: Paul is quoting Jesus, but we don't have anything in
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: the gospel where Jesus actually said these words, and I
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: can't remember what it is right now. But because I could,
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: I was like, wait a minute, did Jesus, I, I
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: don't remember reading that in the Gospels, but it is
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: in there, it's just in Acts where Paul refers to
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: Jesus saying these words, so I, I should not have
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: doubted myself, but I did. What passage is that? Do
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: you remember?
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: Well, uh, there, there is a passage in, um,
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: I think it's a, there, there is a passage where
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: Paul says Jesus said it is more blessed to give
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: than yes, that's it, that's it, that's it, that's it, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's in Corinthians, it's not in Acts. Oh, OK, you're right.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and so yes, but right, there is no record
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: of Jesus saying that, um, but of course, we know
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: from John's Gospel that Jesus said and did many things
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: that are not recorded, and if they were recorded, all
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: the books in the world couldn't contain the things that
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: would be written therein, so.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: Yes, but that's it. That's it. Thank you. All right, um,
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: so we were done with Rachel, but, um, how was that?
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: And we do have other calls, Rachel, so what else
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: did you want to ask quickly?
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: I, I, I try not to call if I really
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: have to. It's just, uh, I've been trying for a
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: week already. So, so, um, both, um, children are well
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: off already. They're, they're established. He's like, OK, mom, I
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: have the house, I have the, I have everything. I'm
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: ready for my wife. Where is she? It's been 40,
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: about 30 years that you've been telling me.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: They don't know each other. And the girl from the
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: other um girlfriend, she's like, OK, mom, you know, I'm ready.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: I got my ducks in order. Where's he at? It's
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: been 30 years. Well, maybe this is the case, right, Brian?
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: Who knows?
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you know, they maybe, uh, you know, again,
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: they could meet and it could be love at first sight.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, this is the person that I'd be
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: prepared for for 30 years, or they could meet and
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: just say, it's nice to meet you. Yeah. So, those
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: are the things that I think.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: You don't want to meddle beyond just maybe suggesting or,
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: you know, setting up an opportunity. People do that all
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: the time, right? I mean, my wife has been, um,
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: you know, she's in our younger years, you know, she
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: was always matchmaking, always thinking like, ah, oh, they would
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: be amazing. And in some cases, um,
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: People, you know, we, we have so many friends that
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: met through.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: Kind of relationships with us, and then they ended up, um,
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: you know, meeting each other and falling in love. I
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: think of, um, uh, Brian, you know, you know, Neil
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: Goding and Romy, um, you know, Romy.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: was a young girl who
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: Ah, you know, came to the Lord and was part
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: of our ministry in Vista in the early days. And
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: then when we moved to England, you know, she, she
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: became a really good friend. So she, uh, she had
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: gone with us on some of the outreaches. So anyway,
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: when we finally moved there, she came over to visit.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: And in the meantime, I'd lived in England for a while,
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: and I met this guy, Neil, and he was really great. And, uh,
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: one night we all went out to dinner and
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: Lo and behold, there were, uh, love was in the
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: air sparks and butterflies, fireworks, yeah, yeah, so they, you know,
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: they've been married a long time now, and, uh, yeah,
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: it's great. So that does happen. It does. Rachel, thanks
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  Speaker 1: for your phone call today on Pastor's Perspective. And now
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: here's Michelle in San Diego. Thank you, Michelle, for calling 888-564-6173.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: Hello. Hi.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: Hi.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: So my husband keeps asking me this, to ask you
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: guys this question. He wanted to know what happened to
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: the spirit of the Nephlins, if it's, he thinks it's,
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: they're still roaming around the earth today.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: And why can't your husband call and ask?
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Just wondering. No, I'm joking. Brian, what
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: do you say to Michelle's husband, Mr. Michelle?
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, here's, here's the thing, we, we don't
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: know much about that. Um, the Bible doesn't give us
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: a whole lot. There, there are some people who don't
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: even believe that the Nephilim were, um, the sort of half,
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: Spirit, half human beings, um, or, or they were the
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: ones who, you know, caused that kind of offspring to
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: come into existence.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: So we know that um
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: Everyone perished in the flood.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: They would have perished in the flood if they had
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: physical bodies, but then of course if they're also spirit beings,
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: you know, demonic beings or something like that, then they would,
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: they would go on, but they would go on in
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: a place of judgment. So there's a passage in 2 Peter,
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: and there's also one in Jude that talk about the
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: angels who did not, it says they did not keep
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: their first estate.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: And because of that, they are reserved in chains of darkness.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: So that could be a reference to them, that they
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: didn't keep their first estate. In other words, they didn't
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: remain in the place that God had created them in,
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: but they stepped out of that and crossed a boundary,
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: and this is where the idea that, you know, spirit
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: beings and human beings had cohabited and produced offspring.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: So maybe that is a reference, but we just don't
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  Speaker 1: know because the Bible doesn't really give us any more
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: detail on it. Some ancient literature, Jewish literature like the
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: Book of Enoch, for example, goes into extensive detail about
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: all of this, but it's just, it's not inspired, so
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: we can't take it and say, oh, this is exactly
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: what happened. This is kind of the mythology of the
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: time that's rooted in what we read in Genesis, but,
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: Uh, it's kind of the imagination of humans, uh, kind
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: of run wild, so, so we don't know really.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: What do you think, Michelle?
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, yeah, he did say something about the book
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: of Enoch too. He must have been reading something or
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: watching something on TikTok, and that's why he had all
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: these questions, and he was, he was asking me and
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know. I'm gonna ask the
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: pastor's perspective, they know everything.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's so much talk about that today,
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: you know, lots of, I mean, the, these things kind
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: of come and go in cycles, you know, I remember,
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: I don't know, 30 years ago or whatever, a lot
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: of people were talking about the Nephilim, and then, you
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: didn't hear so much about them. We always did on
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: pastor's perspective, because it's always a topic that comes up.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: But now, again, with, like you said, TikTok and things
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: like that, ah, it's all kind of back, front and center,
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: and everybody's talking about the Book of Enoch, and they're
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: reading the Book of Enoch.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: You know, you can read the book of Enoch if
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: you want, but just make sure you understand it's not
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: the Bible, it's not God's word, it's not inspired, and
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: so it's not gonna give you accurate information.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: I think the Nephilim of uh 2026 though is the
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: Ethiopian Bible. We get like at least once a week
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: it seems. It's kind of died down recently, but I
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: remember earlier this year it seemed like once a week
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: or something we'd be getting. It's true. And now that
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: you brought it up again, someone's gonna call next week.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: Next week we're gonna be answering questions on the Ethiopian Bible.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: It's how it works. All right, Michelle, thanks for calling
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: in today.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: OK, Brian, I've, I've gotta tell you this, um,
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: I talked to our good friend, Doctor Ed Stetzer last night,
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: and he said, hey, let's be in the studio together
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: next week. And I said, well,
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: How about you go in the studio and I'll go
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: on Zoom so that might show up next week. Nice.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: On Wednesday and I'll, and I'll, and I'll meet you, yeah,
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: on Wednesday. Yeah, we're, we're here for a little bit longer.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: We're gonna come home on Friday, next Friday, a week
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: from today. So, um, yeah.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: Got it. OK, well, it's been months since Ed's been on,
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: and I mean he's a little reminder. Hold him to it. Yes, yes,
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: I will send him a text right now. Uh, see
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: what he says. All right, uh, Denise in Los Angeles
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: listening on the Kwave app. Hello, thanks for downloading the
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: app and thanks for calling 888-564-6173.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: Thank you for taking my call. Thank you for all
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: that you guys do. I really appreciate, uh, being able
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: to call in and get answers from time to time.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: And my question is.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: How do you decipher?
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: If it's yourself, your own temptations and your desires, um,
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: thinking of James 1:4-16, uh, temptation comes from our own
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: desires which entice us and drag us away. These desires
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: give birth to simple actions, and when sin is allowed
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: to grow, it gives birth to death. So don't be misled,
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: my dear brothers and sisters, but how do you know
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: if it's the devil?
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: Or you and
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: Well, I hate to say it loud, but when I
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: come to the Gospels, I read through the Bible every year,
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: and when I come through the Gospels.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: Everything, it's like so much doubt.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: Comes
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: And that God has such an awesome track record in
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: my life. I've been a Christian all my life that
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: I know that God is real. I know the Holy Spirit.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: I know Jesus. But what, what, why is there so
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: much doubt when I get to the gospel? It's just,
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: I know it's just, it's unbelievable and incomprehendible what Jesus
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: did to us, but there's so much proof that's outside
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: of the Bible that he is who he says he is, so.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: It's kind of a two-part question.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know, I, I wrote a
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: A book on the subject of spiritual warfare, and it's
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: called The Powers of Darkness and the People of God.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: And I talked about the temptation to doubt in there.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: Now Satan is the tempter. That's one of his titles.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: He's a tempter. So, um, but of course he plays
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: on our weaknesses and he plays on our sinful nature
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: at times. So everyone is tempted, like you just read
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: in James, everyone is tempted when they are led away
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: by their own desire.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: And so there is that combination, but
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: When it comes to something like doubt.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: There's, we have to make sure we understand that there's
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: a difference between being tempted to doubt and actually doubting.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: So just because you're tempted to doubt doesn't mean you're doubting.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: It just means you're being tempted. You're being, you know, assailed,
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: and many Christians have experienced this where I've had that
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: same experience that you're talking about where, you know, reading through.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: Parts of the Bible, but you know, the Gospels, where
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: you read something and suddenly there's a thing in your
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: mind like, how could that have really happened? Come on,
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: do you really believe that? You know, these subtle little
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: suggestions just start coming into your mind and you're like, oh,
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: I hate that. I, no, I don't think that, I
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: don't believe that. I don't feel that way, and that's
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: where I think we need to discern that this is,
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: this is the devil, he's tempting us to doubt.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: And so we resist the temptation, we just say, you
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: know what, I'm gonna press in and I'm gonna trust
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: the Lord and I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna give
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: into this and um.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: But it is not uncommon.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: The experience that you just described.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: Does that help? Uh, he's, the devil is not omnipresent.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: No, but he has, he has a multitude of, you know, forces,
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: and they all basically do the same thing, so it
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: doesn't have to be the devil himself, ah, and it's
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: probably not the devil himself, but his, his, um,
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: His, um,
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: You know, proteges, they're very capable. I mean, you think
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: of the, the demon possessed people in the New Testament
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: that you read about, um, and then we read about
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: Satan coming to Jesus and we read about him tempting Jesus.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: So when we read about the people in the, in
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: the New Testament that were demonized, that's what it's called, ah,
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: literally they were demonized, um, it doesn't necessarily speak of
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: Satan himself.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: But it is the demonic hordes which are under his
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: um direction.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: So I, I, I, I just, I, I can't comprehend
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: what it, how do they know our thoughts.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: You know, if I'm not saying it out loud, how
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: Well, the spiritual realm is, you know, we, there's a
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: lot about it that we don't understand, but they, um,
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: you know, they do, they're able to influence even our
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: thinking process we know because remember when Jesus, um, when
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: he's talking about the fact that he is, um, you know,
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: he is the Christ, he is the Son of the
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: living God, just as Peter said.
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: Ah, but then he goes on to talk about, um,
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: the cross, and Peter jumps in and he says, Lord.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: Forbid that should ever happen. That will never happen to you.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: And Jesus says to Peter, get behind me, Satan. So
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: Peter is influenced by Satan to say the things that
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: he says. Now how that actually works out.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: We don't know because we don't have the, the understanding
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: or the insight into the spiritual realm, but it is clear,
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: there's many passages, it's clear where the devil influences our thinking.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: So if he can influence our thinking, I don't think
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: it would be a problem for him to also know
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: what we're thinking.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: I've always thought that maybe he can influence our thinking.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: We act out on that influence in one way or
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: another by either telling a friend or saying something out
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: loud and then that's what he hears or maybe not
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: him himself like you said, but one of his minions
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: or whatever and and that that's why we think.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, for some reason it is a hang
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: up for many people. I've talked to many people over
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: the years that have, they're hung up on the idea
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: that the devil could read our mind. I, I don't
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: honestly don't understand why that bothers people so much. It's like, well,
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: who cares if he could read our mind? It's just
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: what he does, um, but
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: We do again, we, we see, um, you know, places
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: in scripture and from our own human experience. Let's just
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: say the scenario you just gave, Brian. Let's just take
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: that off the table and just say you don't say
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: anything to anybody. Think about it. Think about when you're praying.
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: Think about sometimes when you're praying and nobody knows you're praying.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: You are praying silently. You're praying in your mind. You're
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: not even in a posture, like you don't have your
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: head bowed, you don't have, you're not on your knees,
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: but you know, there's something really on your heart and
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: you're praying, and then suddenly you get this crazy interference
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: in your mind that's disrupting your prayer.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: How is that happening? Well,
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: Good point. The devil obviously knows, the demons obviously know
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: your brain, and they don't like that, so they want
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: to mess with it.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: Very interesting. Denise, thanks for calling in today to Pastor's
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: perspective at 888-564-6173. Maybe, Denise, um, it might be helpful
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: if you wanted to take a little bit of a
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: deeper dive to, um, to pick up the book, Powers
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: of Darkness, People of God.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: Um, and you can find that at echoes of Mercy.com
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: and then go to Back to Basics Radio and um
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: you can, you can um get the book there.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: So from echoes of Mercy.com, click Back to Basics radio
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: and then and then on Back to basics it says
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: books and, you know, other materials from Pastor Brian. Uh-huh,
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: very good. All right, Denise, thanks for calling in today
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: to Pastor's perspective. Let's uh uh read at least one
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: more question that was submitted online. This one is from John.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: And he asks, he watches us on YouTube, by the way,
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: John asks, when or where in the Bible is the
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: earliest statement of God's eternal salvation with Him in heaven?
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: Is it Psalm 23? What do you say to John, Brian?
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: Mm.
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: With
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: The earliest statement regarding eternal salvation.
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: Mm.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: Um, I, I'm trying to think, you know, is it, I,
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: I think honestly it would probably be.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: Uh, something in Job, um.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: You know, Job 19, where Job says, I know that
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: my Redeemer lives.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: And um one day he will stand upon the earth
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: and although my flesh is destroyed, although my skin is
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: dissolved or destroyed, I know that in my flesh I
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: will see God, um.
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: I mean, it doesn't say, it doesn't use the term
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: eternal salvation, but it's talking about the future, it's talking
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: about a resurrected body. It's talking about the redeemer living
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: and standing on the earth in the last days. So I,
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: I'm sure there's probably something else, but um.
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: Ah, but Psalm 23, you know, of course if it's Job,
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: then Job precedes, uh, David, David wrote Psalm 23. Ah,
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: Job probably lived around the time of Abraham, which would
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: maybe be 1800 to 2000 BC, and David lived 1000 BC. So, yeah.
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: John, I hope that helps. Yeah, yeah, not sure.
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: John, thanks for uh sending in your question through the
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: pastor's perspective page at Kwave.com. I think Eric is calling
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: in with uh somewhat of a follow-up question
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: to what
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: we
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: were
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: discussing
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: earlier.
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: He's in San Bernardino. What did you want to know, Eric?
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: Hey, yeah, I got a comment and a question. I'm
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: gonna make it quick. Um, a lot of times when
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: we have doubts, I mean, because we're reading some amazing
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: things in scripture, and a lot of times when we
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: have doubts, it doesn't even have to be Satan, even
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: though Satan's the first one who said, did God really
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: say that. But secondly, though, um, a lot of times
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: just our own human, because we're still falling, we're still
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: susceptible to sin.
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: And we doubt. Sometimes we just doubt. Satan doesn't have
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: anything to do with it. We do a good enough
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: job on our own sometimes. But my question though, is, 00,
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: and then I was gonna say that, um, a lot
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: of times what has helped me is when I said, OK,
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: so let's, let's say, so can I honestly say now,
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: this scripture is not real. And I've actually tried to
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: do that. I said, no way did Jesus do that miracle.
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: And instantly, it's like the spirit said, why not? Why
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: would it not be possible for Jesus to do that?
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: I found myself in a real quarry and I realized, OK, it, it,
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: if it's possible, then it's real. And my question though, was,
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: what scripture, and just as we're talking, um, I actually
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: got the answer, but I want to see if there's
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: something else. My question is, what scripture could we use
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: when we have these doubts? And I instantly went to
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: all scripture is inspired with by God.
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: Uh, by the Holy Spirit, and, uh, so I just
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: wanna know if you guys know of any other scripture.
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: I just thought of that one when I asked the
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: question right now. So I just wanna know if you
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: guys have any thoughts or any other scripture that we
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: can rely on.
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: All right, Brian.
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, um,
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I just to say, I agree, I think with,
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: with your first statement that, um, you know, sometimes the
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: doubt is, it is just us, it is us doubting
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: and um.
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: Regarding that, I mean, you know, Paul in writing to
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: the church in Ephesus, he talks about the armor of God, um,
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: putting on the whole armor of God, put on the
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: belt of truth, the breastplate of righteousness, the helmet of salvation,
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: taking out the sword of the Spirit, which is the
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: word of God. Um, so I think, you know, those are,
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: you know, Paul's giving us their, uh, I think a
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: description of how we are to.
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: Apply God's word to the various struggles and temptations and,
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: you know, the battle that we have with the forces
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: of darkness that he mentions there, so, but the passage
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: from um 2 Timothy 3, you know, all scripture is
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: given by inspiration of God, is, it's a great text,
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: it's a vitally important text because it reminds us that, um,
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: You know, God's word is God's word, and it is
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: profitable for everything we need as God's people. But then
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: I think too, Jesus is another great example. Matthew chapter 4,
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: when you read through the temptation, Satan comes to Jesus,
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: he says, if you're the Son of God, turn these
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: stones into bread. Jesus says, it is written, man shall
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: not live by bread alone. If you're the Son of God,
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: cast yourself down from this, for it is written. It
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: is also written, Jesus said, you shall not tempt the
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: Lord your God.
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: And then, you know, the devil took him to a
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: high place, showed him all the kingdoms of the world
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: in their glory, and said, If you bow down and
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: worship me, all these things will be yours. Jesus said,
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: Get behind me, Satan. It is written, You shall worship
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: the Lord, your God and serve Him only. So the
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: point is, Jesus said every time it is written, so
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: he drew on scripture to defeat the efforts of the
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: enemy to trip him up.
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: That's like a master class in people who take scripture
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: out of context.
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: Because it's like, you know, Satan himself comes up with
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: a verse and Jesus says, yeah, but this. So yeah,
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: that's why the more we know our Bible, the better,
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: the better off we're gonna be, you know. This is true. Eric,
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: thanks for your phone call, man. We are out of
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: time on today's episode of Pastor's Perspective. Well, we do
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: have a few seconds left, but
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, by the time we introduced the caller and they
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: ask their question, there'd probably be like 5 seconds for
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: Pastor Brian to give an answer. So, um,
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: I will give you instead a fast pass. If you're
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: on hold right now, here's your fast pass, you can
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: and if you're on hold and you weren't already on
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: today's show, here's a fast pass for you. You can
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: call us on Monday and ask your question, but uh
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: thanks so much for watching, thanks so much for listening.
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: We'll see you at church on Sunday and then we'll
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: be back here on Pastor's perspective on Monday. Pastor Brian
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: will be back on the show on Tuesday, and Ed
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: Stetzer has confirmed via text.
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: He will be here on Wednesday. My biggest question for
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: Ed is, does he still remember the phone number, because
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: it's been, I don't know, 4 or 5 months. It's
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: been a long time. I wonder if he still says
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: it in his sleep or something. I don't know. Yeah, yeah,
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: take it down off the wall and make him, you know,
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: he's got to do it by memory. None of this,
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: none of this looking at it. That's right. That's right.
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: All right, God bless you guys. Talk to you next
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: time here on Pastor's perspective.