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The biggest hits of the Scott Harris era · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

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Speaker 1: And welcome into another episode a Tiger Territory, part of
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Speaker 1: the Foul Territory. Now we're at the Trot Tiger's podcast.
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Speaker 1: I am Kieren Steckley with me is always a man
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Speaker 1: who was also invited to Big League spring training. You
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Speaker 1: don't see him bragging about it. He is Cody Stavenagg
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Speaker 1: and how.
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Speaker 2: You doing doing good? I don't know if they want
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Speaker 2: me there. It's not really an invite, but I got
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Speaker 2: a card that lets me show up.
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Speaker 1: So I'll say this. Look, we had a good enough
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Speaker 1: time with AJ on our last episode that I feel
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Speaker 1: like AJ wants you there, Like.
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Speaker 2: Does they're smothers? He might not. That's okay.
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Speaker 1: Well I'll tell you what if you guys haven't had
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Speaker 1: a chance to listen to our interview with AJ Hinch,
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Speaker 1: I'm biased, but I thought was excellent. So you guys
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Speaker 1: go to our last episode and and and listen or
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Speaker 1: watch and uh and and see for yourselves. I thought
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Speaker 1: he was very you know, he was AJ forthright, I
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Speaker 1: think is a good way to put it. And I'll
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Speaker 1: I'll just do some like little teasers here, you know
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Speaker 1: that I thought were kind of stands out, And you
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Speaker 1: guys can go back and listen like he kind of
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Speaker 1: named the closer. He felt impassionate about talking about the
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Speaker 1: closer process. I'll say that, and he kind of named
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Speaker 1: the closer. And you know, it doesn't take much to
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Speaker 1: quote unquote read between the lines there. But I thought
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Speaker 1: that was actually really fascinating.
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Speaker 2: The way that he talked about it. In a long
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Speaker 2: and insightful discussion about closers and why he does not
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Speaker 2: name closers. He basically said, Kenley Janssen is likely to
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Speaker 2: get the most safe opportunities. So yes, that is the
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Speaker 2: definition of Aja forth right. But it was a really
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Speaker 2: good interview, a lot of knowledge dropped. I hope you
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Speaker 2: guys will check it out if you haven't already.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and World Baseball Classic preparation stuff I find fascinating.
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Speaker 1: And then he slipped in there real quick enough more
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Speaker 1: evidence that at least the organization views Jackson job as
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Speaker 1: a like they're playing as if he will pitch or
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Speaker 1: be able to pitch. I would say in the twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty six season, what that looks like? All that stuff tbd,
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Speaker 1: But that is definitely something that they're moving forward with
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Speaker 1: the idea of. So, like I said, if you guys
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Speaker 1: haven't gone listened to that. I highly recommended. AJ was great.
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Speaker 1: Let's get to this, Cody. Probably the most topical news
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Speaker 1: with the Tigers today. We'll talk about school bl intersecond,
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Speaker 1: which as of this recording, there is no news with
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Speaker 1: that Tiger's legend, Mickey Lolich. It was announced that he
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Speaker 1: passed away on Wednesday. And if you're watching on YouTube,
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Speaker 1: you see this statement that Willie Horton gave via the
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Speaker 1: Tigers about Mickey Lolich. And look, obviously he predates my
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Speaker 1: time watching the Tigers. I can tell you that I
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Speaker 1: grew up very aware of the legend of Mickey Lolich.
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Speaker 1: You know from my father that was obviously the team
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Speaker 1: of his youth, that era of his youth. And and
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Speaker 1: I'll say a couple of things right off the top,
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Speaker 1: like just what he did in sixty eight it's not
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Speaker 1: impossible to replicate, replicate, but pretty damn impressive and pretty unique.
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Speaker 1: The fact that he was in the Michigan National Guard
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Speaker 1: or reserves. I'm sorry if I'm getting that wrong national Guard,
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Speaker 1: and you know, went from baseball player to being called
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Speaker 1: like you know, that whole stuff. It's in his book.
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Speaker 1: I'm actually I just started reading his book. By coincidence,
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Speaker 1: so Joy and Tigertown that he did with Tom Gage
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Speaker 1: a handful of years ago. That's nuts. Obviously you're not
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Speaker 1: seeing that happen today. And then the last kind of
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Speaker 1: thing I was thinking, Cody, I went to look at
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Speaker 1: the roster of the nineteen sixty eight team, and we
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Speaker 1: didn't need a reminder of this, but you just kind
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Speaker 1: of go up and down of like the key pieces
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Speaker 1: of that squad. And Lolich was that was his age
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Speaker 1: as I look it up here age twenty seventh season.
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Speaker 1: He's one of the younger guys that was, like, you know,
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Speaker 1: an impactful player on that team. You know, these the
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Speaker 1: guy the men of that era that we grew up
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Speaker 1: like hearing about and some of the superhero stuff and
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Speaker 1: you know, Hall of Famers all this stuff. You know,
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Speaker 1: this is the time that we start getting less of them,
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Speaker 1: you know, here with us. And that's a sad reality.
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Speaker 1: But recipes Mickey Lolich forever a Detroit Tigers legend and
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Speaker 1: and and honestly, I would probably say a little bit
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Speaker 1: underrated historically outside of the realm of Detroit Tigers, outside
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Speaker 1: the realm of Tiger's history.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, certainly much respect to Mickey Lolich and condolences to
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Speaker 2: his friends and family. I don't want this to come
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Speaker 2: across the wrong way, but it is interesting. It's it's
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Speaker 2: kind of like when a singer dies or an actor
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Speaker 2: dies and you go back and you, oh, their stuff
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Speaker 2: was really good. You know, there's a new found appreciation.
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Speaker 2: And just today I'm writing up a few graphs for
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Speaker 2: a Mickey Lolich oh bit, and it kind of hits you,
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Speaker 2: like he is still fifth all time among left handed
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Speaker 2: pitchers in strikeouts. The others above him Randy Johnson, Steve Carlton, C. C. Sabathia,
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Speaker 2: Clayton Kershaw. Those are four Hall of Famers, which his
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Speaker 2: career forty three ish war not quite Hall of Fame
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Speaker 2: standard despite what he achieved, but fifth all time among
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Speaker 2: left handed pitchers by the very definition. He is one
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Speaker 2: of the greatest lefties to ever pitch in the major leagues,
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Speaker 2: an incredible workhorse, and that's one of those things you
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Speaker 2: kind of know, but then you go look at the numbers.
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Speaker 2: You see the volume of innings he threw year after year,
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Speaker 2: and it does hit you in kind of a newfound way.
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Speaker 2: So one of the great tigers ever. Pour one out
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Speaker 2: this evening for Mickey Lolich and also a shoutout to
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Speaker 2: Ron Teasley, who also passed away recently. Ron Teasley was
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Speaker 2: the second oldest living Negro leaguer, well he was actually
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Speaker 2: the now there's only one remaining player who has actually
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Speaker 2: played in the Negro League. Ron Teasley was a great
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Speaker 2: Detroit or he was a great American. I was lucky
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Speaker 2: enough to sit with him and in his basement off
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Speaker 2: seven miles. He told stories about Jackie Robinson and Turkey Sterns,
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Speaker 2: and he raced Jesse Owens and then he you know,
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Speaker 2: he coached baseball and golf and dominated local senior leagues
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Speaker 2: for a long time in Detroit. After living a very
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Speaker 2: enormous life. Ron Teasley was one of the greats of
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Speaker 2: his time in more ways than one. So he will
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Speaker 2: be sorely missed as well. And was very lucky to
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Speaker 2: share just a little bit of time with mister Teasley,
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Speaker 2: who was a true class act.
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Speaker 1: Amazing stuff. Yeah, I mean the stories these guys could tell,
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Speaker 1: So Bicky Lolitz just to tie a bow on it,
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Speaker 1: forty eight war on Baseball Reference, just putting it out there.
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Speaker 1: Don't watch short change him. And then he had a
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Speaker 1: nineteen seventy one season where he was eight point five
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Speaker 1: War and a nineteen seventy two season at thirty and
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Speaker 1: thirty one years old where he was seven point four WAR. So,
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Speaker 1: I mean, his peak wasn't even you know, the sixty
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Speaker 1: eight season, which is pretty remarkable because that's obviously the
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Speaker 1: first thing people think about transitioning to another lefty. Tiger's
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Speaker 1: lefty that is in his peak right now, Trek Schouble. We,
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Speaker 1: like I said earlier, we were recording this before any
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Speaker 1: announcements on the arbitration case. But I did just kind
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Speaker 1: of want to just because you know, I've been thinking
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Speaker 1: about it a lot today and I just wanted to
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Speaker 1: give like a short prediction. I think it's gonna win.
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Speaker 1: I think it's gonna win, Cody. I feel I feel
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Speaker 1: like there's enough unique circumstances surrounding this case that the
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Speaker 1: the arbiters are going to feel like this sort of
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Speaker 1: bucking of the norm is warranted. So that's just that's
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Speaker 1: just that's just my take right there. So we'll obviously
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Speaker 1: have a reaction whenever when whenever that news drops, but
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Speaker 1: that that's my prediction. Do you have one right now?
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Speaker 2: I'm not confident at all. Predicting this one way or another.
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Speaker 2: I think at one point I said maybe it's sixty
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Speaker 2: forty tigers. I think I might lower that to like
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Speaker 2: fifty one forty nine tigers. A lot of people still
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Speaker 2: think this is a slam dung for Scott Boris and
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Speaker 2: Trek Skugbele, And look, they certainly have a very strong
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Speaker 2: case the guys went back to back Sy Young's but
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Speaker 2: twenty two million when the record raise and arbitration is
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Speaker 2: nine point six million, still strikes me as very extreme.
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Speaker 2: And although they can invoke any comparison they want, I
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Speaker 2: wonder if these arbiters will give more weight to David
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Speaker 2: Price and Jacob de Gram and some of the arguments
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Speaker 2: the Tigers might make at this thing. We'll see. And look,
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Speaker 2: this is supposed to be an independent panel, but the
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Speaker 2: league really going to wing to allow a player to
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Speaker 2: get a twenty two million dollars raised in arbitration. I'm
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Speaker 2: not saying there's a conspiracy, but I want, you know,
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Speaker 2: you wonder this is a big deal for those reasons,
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Speaker 2: for the new precedent it would set. I wouldn't be
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Speaker 2: at all shocked if Terrek Scoobel comes out victorious, but
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Speaker 2: I think the Tigers might have more of a chance
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Speaker 2: than a lot of people think.
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Speaker 1: You know, there's a midterm coming up this year, and
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Speaker 1: it's gonna be called it already has been called the
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Speaker 1: most important midterm of our lifetime. This is the most
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Speaker 1: important arbitration case of our lifetime.
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Speaker 2: I'm putting elections. No one throws that around very often.
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Speaker 2: This is the most important arbitration case when someone's arguing
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Speaker 2: over is this guy gonna get two point five or
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Speaker 2: two point eight million? You know this is this might
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Speaker 2: be a one time thing here, at least until Paul
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Speaker 2: Skeens is up for arbitration.
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Speaker 1: Oh there you go. There's a tease right there for
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Speaker 1: the future. All right, let's let's get to some more
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Speaker 1: topical stuff. So the Tigers today Wednesday announce their spring
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Speaker 1: training roster. It features a litany of of the usual
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Speaker 1: names and some some some new names and and none
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Speaker 1: all of that surprising. If you guys are watching on YouTube,
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Speaker 1: we see the graphic with the with the complete list. Well,
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Speaker 1: the headline here is obviously Max Anderson. I'm just going
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Speaker 1: in chronological order, Max Anderson and Kevin mc Max Clark
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Speaker 1: and Kevin McGonagall. That's not really in chronological order otherwise
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Speaker 1: said that, Uh in host way, Rassinio getting getting the
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Speaker 1: call to big league camp among obviously a handful of
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Speaker 1: pitchers that you guys can see, some new names, some
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Speaker 1: some some familiar names we knew, especially Clark Anderson McGonagall.
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Speaker 1: This was gonna be the case Rossinio. Obviously this is
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Speaker 1: not new. But Lorenzo being there, you know, that's that's
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Speaker 1: good to see them together. They're fascinating to see what
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Speaker 1: how this will play out. Cody, Uh, there's a couple
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Speaker 1: of sleepers here, Lee Anderson. Everyone talks about McGonagall. What
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Speaker 1: are these guys gonna do? Max Clark? Is he gonna
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Speaker 1: kind of play his way into consideration faster than I
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Speaker 1: think we're giving him credit for. And what does Rassinio
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Speaker 1: look like, you know, among among the major league his
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Speaker 1: major league peers, I guess even though he's not a
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Speaker 1: major leaguer. A lot of fascinating stuff, But it is official.
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Speaker 1: We are a week ish whatever from being from spring
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Speaker 1: training kicking off, and now we have a roster.
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Speaker 2: Excuse me, no huge surprises on this. I think John Peck,
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Speaker 2: Ben mal Jerry getting the invite is interesting. You gotta
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Speaker 2: have a lot of bodies in spring training, so I
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Speaker 2: wouldn't read too much into anything. This is a little
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Speaker 2: bigger camp than the Tigers had last year, though, if
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Speaker 2: you recall, I think the past maybe two years, they've
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Speaker 2: kind of focused on a tighter camp, not just giving
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Speaker 2: invitations to any prospects, only guys who might have a
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Speaker 2: legit shots make the team, or in this case, guys
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Speaker 2: they certainly want to take a long look at. And
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Speaker 2: then we all know what their strategy has been with pitchers,
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Speaker 2: with relievers in particular, a lot of minor league deals.
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Speaker 2: I think that's a fine strategy when you're talking bullpen guys,
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Speaker 2: but it doesn't make me laugh a little bit, you know.
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Speaker 2: I had reported that the outcome of the schooble arbitration
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Speaker 2: hearing is likely to influence the Tiger's pursuit of another starter.
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Speaker 2: It sounds as though if they lose that hearing, they
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Speaker 2: might not be getting the Chris Bassett, the Nick Martinez,
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Speaker 2: the Lucas Giolito. Now, I guess that could always change.
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Speaker 2: Scott Harris says he doesn't operate with the strict budget,
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Speaker 2: so maybe he has to go upstairs and ask for
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Speaker 2: a little more money. But are you going to use that,
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Speaker 2: you know, that card for what's basically a luxury of
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Speaker 2: having an extra starter, or might they settle for someone lower,
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Speaker 2: whether that's Jose Cantana or someone who has struggled even
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Speaker 2: more than that Walker Bueller is out there, I have
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Speaker 2: to settle for a minor league deal. Maybe that's as
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Speaker 2: interesting as Baskett or something. But anyway, if a thirteen
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Speaker 2: million difference is affecting you to the point you can't
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Speaker 2: sign another starter. I mean, if these some of these
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Speaker 2: guys they gave minor league deals reached the majors, they
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Speaker 2: were guaranteed one point two one point three million dollars.
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Speaker 2: There's a lot of money actually tied up in these
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Speaker 2: minor league deals they offer that they have to account for.
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Speaker 2: It's funny how things go where Now you're at the
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Speaker 2: end of the off season, something maybe unexpected happens, and
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Speaker 2: there's a lot writing on this Schooble thing. I think
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Speaker 2: it's also a product to their TV situation, but you know,
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Speaker 2: the Tigers have spent in a way. In a way,
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Speaker 2: it was just hinting out a lot of minor league
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Speaker 2: deals that do come with major league guarantees of more
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Speaker 2: than the leaguemen.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and again, like I don't want to, you know,
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Speaker 1: discount some of these other guys that will be you
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Speaker 1: know that fascinating to see, like Trey Cruz, you know,
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Speaker 1: like you know what, what's going to happen to, you know,
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Speaker 1: those those kinds of players that I just feel like
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Speaker 1: I don't see. I don't feel about this way, like
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Speaker 1: every year when I look at these rosters, Cody but
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Speaker 1: Springs training rosters. But I go down this list and
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Speaker 1: maybe this is just me maturing, and you know, they've
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Speaker 1: seen some top prospects kind of ascend up the levels
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Speaker 1: now that they're in this conversation. But it's like there's
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Speaker 1: a lot of guys that I envision having to say
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Speaker 1: on the twenty twenty six season like here, it's a
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Speaker 1: weird thing to say, but like they're like, none of
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Speaker 1: these feel like courtesy invites. I'll say that, like, like
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Speaker 1: that's that to your point earlier and given what they've
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Speaker 1: experienced the past couple.
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Speaker 2: Of years, Yeah, our friends John Pack and Ben mal
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Speaker 2: Jerry might be somewhat courtesy invites. But a lot of
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Speaker 2: these guys are going to contribute, and that's been a
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Speaker 2: key part of the Tiger's philosophy, and there's always a
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Speaker 2: surprise or too so yeah, I don't I don't think
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Speaker 2: these are complete handouts. And there's some names on this
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Speaker 2: roster that we haven't talked about much. Jase Young, Tray Sweeney,
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Speaker 2: guys that right now look like they're being written off.
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Speaker 2: But where was Spencer Turgelesen a year ago? Where was
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Speaker 2: some of these other names. There's always a surprise or
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Speaker 2: too interested to see who it's going to be this year.
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Speaker 1: And again I'll mention the World Baseball Classic. We don't
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Speaker 1: have complete rosters available yet what Tigers will be partaking
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Speaker 1: in that, but could be some opportunities there as well.
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Speaker 1: Just you know, just that's how it goes. Somebody's got
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Speaker 1: to fill those spring training games, you know what I mean?
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Speaker 2: So this is true.
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Speaker 1: All right, Let's let's move on to sort of the
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Speaker 1: core of this of this episode, Cody, and that's part
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Speaker 1: two of like something that we talked about last week.
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Speaker 1: So last week we went through and discussed like some
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Speaker 1: of the bigger misses of the Scott Harris era and
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Speaker 1: and obviously we would can we consider ourselves a fair podcast,
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Speaker 1: so we're not just gonna do all right, this is
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Speaker 1: why it sucks, and that's it. You know, we're gonna
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Speaker 1: talk about the good stuff too, because again, both things
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Speaker 1: affect how you got here. Uh. Off the top, one
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Speaker 1: of the things that makes assessing President Baseball Operations GMS,
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Speaker 1: you know, whatever the technical title is, is like, there's
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Speaker 1: a lot that we that goes on that we don't see,
16:28
Speaker 1: you know, more so in baseball than a lot of
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Speaker 1: other sports because of the minor league system and and
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Speaker 1: and and all that stuff. So off the top, you're
16:36
Speaker 1: not gonna find anybody that says that Scott Harrison Company
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Speaker 1: haven't done an amazing job of improving infrastructure, of improving
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Speaker 1: communication and having like a unilateral organizational uh philosophy of
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Speaker 1: how to develop players. And and you saw that right
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Speaker 1: away with some of the coaching changes that that were
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Speaker 1: that were made upon him, you know fully you know,
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Speaker 1: getting into the groove of the position. And even Raj
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Speaker 1: you know, came on earlier this offseason and talked about
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Speaker 1: that nutrition like all those things. So we we don't
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Speaker 1: have that's on number. It's on a balling average, it's
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Speaker 1: not like a prospect farm system ranking. We don't we
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Speaker 1: can't just like judge it based on previous but I
17:21
Speaker 1: want to get that off the top because I'm sure
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Speaker 1: that would be the first thing that would that would
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Speaker 1: be said about what he's improved. But it's clear, Cody
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Speaker 1: that one of the areas that Scott Harris is he's
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Speaker 1: able to do this in a way that I like,
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Speaker 1: I think is unique. He is structured with how he
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Speaker 1: wants to build a team, but he's also not afraid
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Speaker 1: to think outside the box and pivot. So the number
17:51
Speaker 1: one example of that would be the Glabor Torres signing.
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Speaker 1: And you know, twenty twenty five happened, and we sometimes forget,
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Speaker 1: but when the Glabor Torres signing happened, that was a
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Speaker 1: huge metaphorical explosion into the makeup of the infield of
18:11
Speaker 1: the team because you're thinking, cold key second base, what's
18:14
Speaker 1: gonna happen with him in the second year? And then
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Speaker 1: you know, all right, this Torque thing's kind of weird.
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Speaker 1: It turned out to be like a brilliant move and
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Speaker 1: it got the best out of everybody. One of those
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Speaker 1: cliches where you know, competition, you know, raised everybody's level
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Speaker 1: a little bit. But Labor Torres, he was an all star.
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Speaker 1: He's a two point nine war player, he was an
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Speaker 1: everyday presence and he accepted the qualifying offer to stick
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Speaker 1: with the Tigers. So that that, to me is like
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Speaker 1: the ultimate like Scott Harris, Like if you want to
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Speaker 1: criticize him for not going out and getting and spending,
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Speaker 1: I mean, Glabor Torres was one of those guys that
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Speaker 1: like came out of nowhere. It obviously had an impact
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Speaker 1: on the team and the flexibility that it created, and
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Speaker 1: just like that move took some golf. So I think
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Speaker 1: that that's kind of a one for me when I
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Speaker 1: think of like the brilliance of Scott Harris.
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Speaker 2: Well, I was thinking about this and it's interesting and
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Speaker 2: that if you were to just ask me what was
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Speaker 2: the best move of the Scott Harris era, there's not
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Speaker 2: one thing that really leaps to mind, which is actually
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Speaker 2: entirely fitting because kind of the whole mo was right
19:26
Speaker 2: stacking good baseball moves on top of each other, and
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Speaker 2: there are a lot of smaller subtle moves that have
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Speaker 2: been really successful and that have helped build rosters that
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Speaker 2: maybe it weren't perfect, but made the playoffs and back
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Speaker 2: to back years that have raised the bar for the
19:40
Speaker 2: Tigers franchise. Andya Banyaz, a guy they got before his
19:47
Speaker 2: first season, and you look at the war whatever doesn't
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Speaker 2: leap out, but played a pretty vital role, a pretty
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Speaker 2: good chess piece for a couple of seasons, got you
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Speaker 2: a go ahead hit in a playoff game against the astro.
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Speaker 2: Tyler Holton, a guy you got off the scrap heap
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Speaker 2: in Arizona, ended up getting MVP votes of Zach McKinstry,
20:08
Speaker 2: a trade that was basically a waiver claim. He you know,
20:13
Speaker 2: they wanted him to get him badly enough that they
20:16
Speaker 2: traded a small piece to the Cubs. They get McKinstry,
20:19
Speaker 2: and it hasn't always been easy, but he blossomed into
20:22
Speaker 2: an All Star. It's been those little moves where Harris
20:24
Speaker 2: has excelled more than the big things.
20:29
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's something to be said about process with
20:33
Speaker 1: the Scott Harris regime is that like they've identified what
20:37
Speaker 1: Zach McKinstry can do, and we're aggressive and going to
20:41
Speaker 1: get him. And you know, le and be honest and
20:44
Speaker 1: say that Scott Harris would not have made any bold
20:48
Speaker 1: predictions about Zach McKinstry went into silver slugger and being
20:52
Speaker 1: an All Star. But but but you still deserve credit
20:57
Speaker 1: for for that result. And I like the he brought
21:00
Speaker 1: up Andy A Bonnees. That's that that was a an
21:06
Speaker 1: example of knowing a skill set that can be valuable
21:09
Speaker 1: to the team, a couple of skill sets and then
21:11
Speaker 1: also having the Jamai Jones piece that made Andy A Bonnees,
21:16
Speaker 1: you know, somewhat expendable. He's obviously no longer with the organization,
21:20
Speaker 1: so like you know, the the stacking in the baseball
21:22
Speaker 1: moves to having things around the uh on the on
21:26
Speaker 1: the edges. Obviously he deserves a ton of credit for UH.
21:30
Speaker 1: There's obviously more that we're gonna get into. But I
21:32
Speaker 1: also want to say before I forget, like he does
21:36
Speaker 1: seem to have a I would say really good working
21:40
Speaker 1: relationship with aj Hinch, which anyone who you know aj
21:45
Speaker 1: Hinch is the Stanford guy. Like he I think he
21:47
Speaker 1: knows ball. So like, if you have, if you can
21:49
Speaker 1: have a good relationship with aj Hinch, I would wager
21:53
Speaker 1: that that is, you know, a pretty sizable check in
21:56
Speaker 1: your favor. And you know, the way that they talk
21:59
Speaker 1: about each other and the that they've been able to
22:01
Speaker 1: kind of navigate some really tough circumstances regarding you know,
22:05
Speaker 1: injuries or whatever. And I feel like that's also a
22:09
Speaker 1: credit to him, is that he has a working relationship
22:11
Speaker 1: with Aj Hensch despite them not coming in at the
22:14
Speaker 1: same time. So I wanted to say that the Holton
22:17
Speaker 1: piece was really good. How about getting Matt Vierling for Gregorysoto.
22:22
Speaker 1: So Matt Virling, who obviously you know he's gonna be
22:27
Speaker 1: relied upon this year for a bouts back season. But
22:29
Speaker 1: Matt Vierling's a four point two war player in his
22:31
Speaker 1: Tigers career. Now Nick Mayton was negative one point three, okay,
22:35
Speaker 1: but but like he was part of that trade too.
22:37
Speaker 1: But Matt Beerlan four point two Gregory Soto, yes, he's
22:40
Speaker 1: a relief pitcher. I understand all of that. Philadelphia only
22:44
Speaker 1: got point four war out of him. So that feels
22:48
Speaker 1: like a boom for Scott Harris that you got an
22:51
Speaker 1: everyday player. And you know Mayton I have said mile
22:54
Speaker 1: league catchers sands, like, you know, not everything works out,
22:57
Speaker 1: but that's obviously a trade you would do ten times
23:00
Speaker 1: times out of the next ten opportunities. And then that's.
23:04
Speaker 2: A fascinating trade, Karen, because I think they probably hoped
23:08
Speaker 2: for more impact. I think you hoped Nick Maton would
23:12
Speaker 2: have been a real piece, and that Donnie Sans would
23:14
Speaker 2: have at least factored into the mix rather than flaming
23:17
Speaker 2: out pretty quickly. But you got three players. Sometimes there's
23:21
Speaker 2: a role the dice and one of them. Even Vierling
23:23
Speaker 2: probably hasn't hit the best version of what they would
23:26
Speaker 2: like him to be, but he had a really good
23:29
Speaker 2: season for you in twenty twenty four. He was hurt
23:32
Speaker 2: most of twenty and twenty five. You got something out
23:34
Speaker 2: of that deal that was essentially trading a reliever who
23:38
Speaker 2: threw really hard but didn't command the ball well, who
23:42
Speaker 2: kind of like his Tigersenior, had some good moments with
23:44
Speaker 2: the Phillies, but also really struggled at times just going
23:47
Speaker 2: by war. You won that deal, even if maybe the
23:49
Speaker 2: impact isn't what you might have, you know, really hoped for.
23:55
Speaker 1: Well, you could also say that you're still getting value
24:00
Speaker 1: out of Matt Vierling in theory, and whereas Soto is
24:06
Speaker 1: obviously no longer a member of the Phillies. Speaking of
24:10
Speaker 1: the Phillies, old friend Davelebrowski kind of a part of
24:13
Speaker 1: this discussion. Michael Lorenzen was like the first sort of
24:20
Speaker 1: I would say, pitching staff edition of like you know,
24:24
Speaker 1: money pitching staff edition of the Scott Harris regime, and
24:27
Speaker 1: he flips him for Hyu Lee, who will probably end
24:33
Speaker 1: up seeing this season and we'll be able to better assess,
24:36
Speaker 1: like you know, what he can and can't do. But
24:39
Speaker 1: at least a prospect that has been a I would say,
24:43
Speaker 1: a steady top ten prospect for the Tigers since he
24:46
Speaker 1: was acquired, and that has included an influx of talent
24:50
Speaker 1: since then obviously, so that's obviously good value. Michael Lorenzen
24:53
Speaker 1: has been one of those kind of year to year guys,
24:56
Speaker 1: but you have to give Skoty Harris credit for doing
24:58
Speaker 1: that at the trade deadline.
25:00
Speaker 2: And then.
25:04
Speaker 1: Then it becomes how much credit do you give him
25:09
Speaker 1: for in his regime, like you know, his staff obviously
25:12
Speaker 1: for drafting and developing players, prospects of which we do
25:17
Speaker 1: not know yet. So Kevin McGonagall was picked like what
25:21
Speaker 1: thirty seventh overall correct. I believe that that is the
25:24
Speaker 1: case and is now universally considered a top two I
25:29
Speaker 1: don't know if I've seen him three prospect in baseball,
25:33
Speaker 1: So that feels like a pretty good fight, like like
25:37
Speaker 1: like like to this point, that is a home run pick, right.
25:43
Speaker 1: I think that's that's fair to say, and we'll see
25:45
Speaker 1: what happens and we'll probably be able to get and
25:47
Speaker 1: get more data there. The Max Clark thing is interesting
25:51
Speaker 1: as well, and a guy that I still feel like
25:54
Speaker 1: we're not talking about enough, and we probably will be
25:57
Speaker 1: talking about and plenty and comes spring training time. And
25:59
Speaker 1: then even if you look at all of his drafts,
26:03
Speaker 1: even with like Yost, you know this past year there
26:08
Speaker 1: is a clear plan on how they want to acquire
26:11
Speaker 1: talent into this system. Specifically this past draft, you saw
26:16
Speaker 1: that their plan is not necessarily going to be in
26:19
Speaker 1: lockstep with the experts of MLB draft prospects in media.
26:24
Speaker 1: But that's okay. Their plan is pretty simple. Up the
26:27
Speaker 1: middle athletes. Bryce Rayner another universally considered top one hundred prospects,
26:31
Speaker 1: So we don't know exactly the fruits of his drafting
26:35
Speaker 1: labor yet, but you can't say that the early returns
26:39
Speaker 1: on the top end guys is not really good.
26:42
Speaker 2: Well, they've certainly drafted very well in the Scott Harris Sarah,
26:45
Speaker 2: and again, what does that look like when these guys
26:48
Speaker 2: hit the major leagues. Well, we still think they drafted
26:50
Speaker 2: well three years from now. That's the problem with assessing
26:53
Speaker 2: draft picks. But even a little deeper into drafts, you
26:56
Speaker 2: know Max Anderson looking like a great pick Witherspoon picture
27:01
Speaker 2: out of Oklahoma they got last year. There are some
27:03
Speaker 2: people who think he could rise really quick in the system.
27:06
Speaker 2: Some other pitchers hit injuries last year, but Owen hall
27:09
Speaker 2: Ethan shuffle Bining could be some talented arms. The Tigers
27:13
Speaker 2: really need those guys to emerge, but it could happen.
27:17
Speaker 2: You have your top end prospects who it seems like
27:20
Speaker 2: you really hit on. You have some other guys that
27:23
Speaker 2: pretty important years on the farm. These guys have drafted well.
27:27
Speaker 2: The infrastructure has improved tremendously, whether it's facilities, whether it's
27:32
Speaker 2: player development, overall process. Things were pretty messy when Alavila left.
27:38
Speaker 2: There was a ton of turnover. A lot of new
27:39
Speaker 2: people have been brought in and the Tigers got that
27:42
Speaker 2: thing up and running pretty quick. And I think that's
27:44
Speaker 2: the number one thing Scott Harris deserves credit for. He
27:47
Speaker 2: gets a lot of criticism. He hasn't been perfect. Last year,
27:50
Speaker 2: in particular, moves at the major league level did not
27:52
Speaker 2: work out. It's been a more quiet offseason but you
27:56
Speaker 2: can't say he's not doing a good job. I don't
27:59
Speaker 2: think when the Tigers have made the playoffs back to
28:01
Speaker 2: back years, still have a toppering farm system, still have
28:04
Speaker 2: a lot of things going for him. Like I always say,
28:07
Speaker 2: the hardest step though, is the next one, and that
28:10
Speaker 2: will probably be probably be what ultimately defines Harris's tenure
28:14
Speaker 2: leading the Tigers.
28:17
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think the rebuttal to some of the
28:20
Speaker 1: stuff we've just said will be, like, well, it's a
28:23
Speaker 1: lot easier to draft at three than it is at
28:26
Speaker 1: twenty seven, twenty six or whatever. So if you're going
28:29
Speaker 1: to be a perennial playoff team, you're going to have
28:31
Speaker 1: to really be able to, you know, have positive results
28:35
Speaker 1: with your process. Otherwise, you know, you know your system
28:39
Speaker 1: is not going to be as full as as it
28:41
Speaker 1: has been. And so we probably have done a disservice here, Cody.
28:45
Speaker 1: We probably haven't mentioned this name soon enough. And that's
28:49
Speaker 1: the curious case of Jack Flaherty and relation to the
28:54
Speaker 1: Scott Harris regime. So obviously another guy brought in on
28:57
Speaker 1: a one year deal, you know, sort of like we'll
29:01
Speaker 1: come here, we'll develop you further, and then we're gonna
29:04
Speaker 1: do right by you and by us at the same
29:07
Speaker 1: time that included a trade to the Dodgers that netted
29:10
Speaker 1: Tray Sweeney and Tyler Loronzo. Clarity comes back, it's a
29:17
Speaker 1: one plus one. He opts to, you know, to stay
29:19
Speaker 1: with the Tigers for another season. He's obviously an important
29:22
Speaker 1: piece of the Scott Harris era, but it's also kind
29:29
Speaker 1: of another one that we're still kind of on a
29:32
Speaker 1: scale of one to ten. I don't know if we
29:35
Speaker 1: can really give a number like not yet, because you know,
29:38
Speaker 1: Loronzo stalled out a little bit as a prospect as
29:41
Speaker 1: can happen. Obviously, no one's riding him off. And then
29:44
Speaker 1: tray Sweeney is somebody that you're probably gonna If I
29:49
Speaker 1: told you tray Sweeney started the most games at shortstop
29:52
Speaker 1: for the Tigers in twenty twenty six, you're probably not
29:55
Speaker 1: predicting a World Series, I think is a fair statement. So, like,
30:01
Speaker 1: the returns looked great because when he was important to
30:05
Speaker 1: that team in twenty four, the returns looked great twenty four,
30:09
Speaker 1: and then in twenty five not as much. But he
30:12
Speaker 1: still end up with Flaherty plus those guys, so obviously
30:14
Speaker 1: is a net positive. But it's hard. It's I could
30:17
Speaker 1: I don't know if I could give a number grade
30:19
Speaker 1: on that.
30:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's a tough one. And funny how these
30:22
Speaker 2: things change, right because this time a year ago, the
30:25
Speaker 2: Tigers had just gotten Jack Flaherty back. And if you
30:28
Speaker 2: would have asked me what's the best move at the
30:30
Speaker 2: major league level of the Scott Harris Aara, I probably
30:32
Speaker 2: said the whole Jack Flaherty situation, because you got this guy.
30:35
Speaker 2: He was coming off a down year. He'd pitched out
30:38
Speaker 2: of the bullpen for the Orioles. His body, people thought
30:41
Speaker 2: it was broken, and the Tigers not only helped him improve,
30:44
Speaker 2: they got close to the best version of Jack Flaherty.
30:47
Speaker 2: He was dominant at times for him. Then they traded
30:50
Speaker 2: him for a haul that a lot of the public
30:54
Speaker 2: didn't love. I think we were some of the few
30:56
Speaker 2: who are like, no, this might be a pretty good trade.
31:00
Speaker 2: Trey Sweeney. We're talking war. Trey Sweeney was worth more
31:04
Speaker 2: war down the stretch that year than Jack Flaherty was
31:07
Speaker 2: with the Dodgers, So they won the trade in that
31:10
Speaker 2: conventional sense. Tyrone Loronzo ton of upside as a prospect,
31:16
Speaker 2: raked in his first taste of the Tigers system, and
31:20
Speaker 2: then Flarity goes to free agency. He's expecting a huge payday.
31:23
Speaker 2: He doesn't get it. You get him back on what
31:26
Speaker 2: appeared to be a pretty team friendly deal. Here we
31:29
Speaker 2: are a year later. Sweeney was not good in the
31:31
Speaker 2: major leagues, Loronzo stalled out in Double A, and Flirty
31:36
Speaker 2: had a bad year then picked up an option. You're
31:39
Speaker 2: paying him twenty mil. Is that the best use of
31:41
Speaker 2: money given that you're gonna sign another starter. I think
31:45
Speaker 2: Flarty's upside is still plenty good right there, but it
31:48
Speaker 2: no longer looks as shining as glowing as it did
31:51
Speaker 2: this time a year ago. Look if Loronzo pops this
31:55
Speaker 2: year on the farm, it goes back to just being
31:58
Speaker 2: a genius move, great g work. Even if Flerty can
32:03
Speaker 2: tap back into the best version of himself. Man, you
32:05
Speaker 2: got him back. You got him a pretty good rate.
32:08
Speaker 2: So there's some stuff to be decided. You're right, it's
32:11
Speaker 2: hard to grade. But it might still stand out as
32:14
Speaker 2: some of the best maneuvering in Harris's time in Detroit,
32:17
Speaker 2: no doubt.
32:19
Speaker 1: Yeah, it has still has potential to be like the
32:22
Speaker 1: one of the bigger net positives but but it still
32:27
Speaker 1: is a curious case. That's why I call it. It's
32:29
Speaker 1: still a curious case of the relationship with the flahertys
32:33
Speaker 1: uh Flerty as an asset for a president of baseball operations.
32:37
Speaker 1: And we'll see what happens moving forward. Also, and again
32:41
Speaker 1: an example of going outside the box a little bit.
32:46
Speaker 1: He's not the only person to do this, but I
32:48
Speaker 1: think I don't think any of us saw Colt Keith
32:50
Speaker 1: getting a major league contract before he was technically a
32:55
Speaker 1: major league player. And I have it pulled up right
32:58
Speaker 1: now in case people forget. Before you get club options up.
33:02
Speaker 1: Cody's got it on our on our YouTube. Before you
33:05
Speaker 1: get to club options, it's twenty twenty nine. Basically, like
33:11
Speaker 1: you can get out of it after twenty twenty nine season,
33:14
Speaker 1: when he's twenty seven years old. Then you have three
33:16
Speaker 1: club options and cold Keith isn't even eligible for free
33:20
Speaker 1: agency until twenty twenty three, which would be his age
33:24
Speaker 1: thirty one season, and you're paying him nothing. You got
33:29
Speaker 1: these four point three this year, five point three, next
33:34
Speaker 1: four point three the next two years, then five point three,
33:36
Speaker 1: then five point three, then the club options. There's a
33:39
Speaker 1: little bit of an uptick with ten million, thirteen million,
33:42
Speaker 1: and fifteen million respectfully. I mean this is, like I said,
33:48
Speaker 1: it's outside the box. It was something that was it
33:54
Speaker 1: was not required, It was not required of Scott Harris
33:58
Speaker 1: to go ahead and negotiation and get this very team
34:01
Speaker 1: friendly contract for Colt Keith, again, a guy who had
34:04
Speaker 1: not done anything, not a player he drafted, you know,
34:08
Speaker 1: like no sort of like emotional attachment, like a McGonagall
34:12
Speaker 1: type deal would be like if it happened now, Cold
34:16
Speaker 1: Keith is a guy that we're still looking more from,
34:18
Speaker 1: but it's still a shrewd good stack of a baseball
34:23
Speaker 1: move to go ahead and lock this guy up for
34:26
Speaker 1: years to come.
34:26
Speaker 2: In my opinion, yes, absolutely one of his best moves.
34:30
Speaker 2: And regardless of what happened in Colt Keith's development, if
34:34
Speaker 2: he takes the next step, this looks great. You're paying
34:37
Speaker 2: him four or five million dollars for the next couple
34:40
Speaker 2: of years. If he develops into a star, you're never
34:43
Speaker 2: paying him more than fifteen. There are some incentives in
34:46
Speaker 2: this deal that could raise the value, but the incidents
34:48
Speaker 2: are pretty lofty. It's like winning VP, so that's worth
34:53
Speaker 2: noting All star that kind of Yeah. So I think,
34:56
Speaker 2: I said at the time of this deal, like, I mean, look,
34:58
Speaker 2: if Colt Keith thinks this best good for him, his
35:02
Speaker 2: agent Matt Paul, really good guy, but I don't know.
35:05
Speaker 2: I don't know why he advised his client to sign
35:08
Speaker 2: this deal. It's already looking pretty bad. Cold Keith has
35:11
Speaker 2: been far from the best version of himself, but he
35:14
Speaker 2: was what on Baseball Reference one point eight war one
35:19
Speaker 2: point five war so worth close to fourteen fifteen million dollars. No, obviously,
35:25
Speaker 2: if he hadn't signed this deal, he would be pre ARB.
35:27
Speaker 2: He'd be basically making the league minimum. But the ceiling
35:31
Speaker 2: just is not very high for Cole Keith. I think
35:34
Speaker 2: this deal is already aging poorly. I wonder what cold
35:37
Speaker 2: Keith thinks of it, because if I don't know, if
35:39
Speaker 2: you ever like gotten a raise at work and you're
35:42
Speaker 2: like feeling pretty good, and then like a year or
35:45
Speaker 2: two goes by and again, like you find out Johnny's
35:48
Speaker 2: making more than you, and you find out this other
35:49
Speaker 2: guy's making more than you, and you're like, wait, no,
35:52
Speaker 2: what what I need another race? If Cold Keith doesn't
35:55
Speaker 2: feel that way, he might feel that way soon, especially
35:58
Speaker 2: if he has a good year so look, hey, that's
36:02
Speaker 2: the reality. Keith at least got the security of it.
36:05
Speaker 2: Good for him, good for his family. It looks like
36:08
Speaker 2: one of Scott Harris's better moves to get them to
36:10
Speaker 2: agree to this contract, to even be creative enough to
36:13
Speaker 2: pitch this contract. I think that's one thing this front
36:17
Speaker 2: office does well is even though they can be difficult
36:20
Speaker 2: for other teams to deal with pre stinging negotiators, I
36:24
Speaker 2: think they're pretty open minded in things they would consider.
36:28
Speaker 2: Look at some of the guys they've signed, like Kennie
36:30
Speaker 2: serwa is in their system, the knuckleballer, I don't know
36:33
Speaker 2: if he'll ever be amount to anything. They signed like
36:36
Speaker 2: a twenty seven year old knuckleballer out of indie ball.
36:39
Speaker 2: They pitched one of their top prospects a creative, low cost,
36:44
Speaker 2: low risk contract. They've done some things like that, and
36:48
Speaker 2: I think that is.
36:48
Speaker 1: Among their shins. Yeah, yeah, so that's kind of what
36:54
Speaker 1: I meant. What I was talking about at the top
36:56
Speaker 1: here is that if you're looking for, like what can
37:01
Speaker 1: I feel confident on the president baseball operations from my
37:05
Speaker 1: favorite team, I think their ability to have a plan
37:10
Speaker 1: and then be able to pivot in certain situations that
37:15
Speaker 1: are advantageous to the organization. That is something that you
37:18
Speaker 1: can say, like, yeah, they are good at that. Now
37:23
Speaker 1: nobody's perfect. We did an episode about some of the misses,
37:27
Speaker 1: and and we all know how some trade deadline stuff
37:30
Speaker 1: has gone and and and Scott does have to prove
37:34
Speaker 1: and as long as the Tigers are good, this is
37:36
Speaker 1: gonna be a thing. He's gonna have to prove over
37:37
Speaker 1: and over again. His ability to maintain being in charge
37:42
Speaker 1: of a playoff team and then, as you said, go
37:45
Speaker 1: from good to great. That that is, that is we
37:49
Speaker 1: don't know. We don't know. That's that we're gonna find out.
37:52
Speaker 1: And then what these prospects do once they become major leaguers.
37:55
Speaker 1: Was it actually smart to sort of like book mark
38:00
Speaker 1: they're they're at bats and and and instead of kind
38:03
Speaker 1: of going with more established players. That kind of stuff
38:07
Speaker 1: is still up in the air. But you can't argue
38:09
Speaker 1: with back to back al DS Game five appearances and
38:14
Speaker 1: being favorites to win the division for the first time
38:18
Speaker 1: in years. Obviously should have won the division last season, didn't.
38:22
Speaker 1: But they've never gotten over their skis. Now you could
38:25
Speaker 1: say that's because they haven't taken too many chances. Maybe
38:29
Speaker 1: that's fair, but they've also never gotten over their skis,
38:33
Speaker 1: So in my opinion, this is a little bit sure.
38:38
Speaker 1: But I think there's in a world of hyper reactions
38:44
Speaker 1: sometimes we don't focus on the bigger picture enough, And
38:49
Speaker 1: the bigger picture is under Scott Harris, the Tigers have
38:51
Speaker 1: become a more competent, a more well run and a
38:55
Speaker 1: like a higher floor and potentially higher upside uh organization,
39:00
Speaker 1: because you don't take a guy like Max Clark over
39:04
Speaker 1: why at Langford unless you're like gambling on upside. So
39:09
Speaker 1: that's my piece.
39:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think this's a big year coming up for Harris.
39:14
Speaker 2: Maybe every year is a big year for the GM.
39:16
Speaker 2: Maybe that's like the election analogy. But in terms of
39:20
Speaker 2: regaining some trust that the front off is probably lost
39:23
Speaker 2: last year, in terms of proving maybe that he's right
39:26
Speaker 2: that they didn't have to go out and spin big
39:28
Speaker 2: on some hitter to have this team be even better,
39:35
Speaker 2: I think that will go a long way if this
39:36
Speaker 2: ends up being a successful season. And it's also if
39:40
Speaker 2: this team doesn't make the playoffs, if they get off
39:43
Speaker 2: to a bad start, if they have to trade Schooble
39:45
Speaker 2: at the deadline, and what if they don't get a
39:48
Speaker 2: lot for him. I mean, there are some ways this
39:51
Speaker 2: could go pretty sour this year, or there are some
39:53
Speaker 2: ways Scott Harris can come out and he's like, hey,
39:57
Speaker 2: everyone get off my back. I was right about this,
39:59
Speaker 2: this and this. Then we have McGonagall, Clark Anderson, all
40:02
Speaker 2: these other guys coming up kind of like the Flirty thing.
40:06
Speaker 2: It's gonna be fascinating to see how we're talking about
40:08
Speaker 2: this one year from now.
40:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I and I'll say this the there's gonna
40:15
Speaker 1: be a chapter on the Scott Harris era about Terrek
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