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UK Column News Podcast 7th February 2025 · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: Good afternoon. It's Friday, the seventh of February twenty twenty five,
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Speaker 1: just after one o'clock. I'm welcome to UK called News
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Speaker 1: and yourst Mike Robinson. Joining me today in the studio
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Speaker 1: is Patrick Henningson. Welcome the program. Patrick, it's great to
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Speaker 1: be with you, Mike, And by videolink we have Mark Anderson.
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Speaker 1: So we are going to begin with more following on
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Speaker 1: from Wednesday and Trump and bb net Yahoo. What do
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Speaker 1: we say about that?
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Speaker 2: Well, just some more information has surfaced on this, Mike,
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Speaker 2: it's getting more interesting. But we'll put this lead image
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Speaker 2: up on screen here. What we're calling this is the
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Speaker 2: latest timeshare scam in Gaza. There's Trump getting it ready here.
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Speaker 2: Where did this idea come from? That's the big question.
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Speaker 2: We'll get some answers to that in a second, like
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Speaker 2: who dreamt this up? Was this something that Trump dreamt up?
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Speaker 2: Or was it given to him by Net Yahoo or
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Speaker 2: did it come from somewhere else. We think we know
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Speaker 2: the answer to this and we'll share that with you
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Speaker 2: in short order. But the backlash from this, Mike has
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Speaker 2: been unbelievable internationally. We'll talk about that as well. Also domestically,
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Speaker 2: but even in Israel there's even backlash from some of
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Speaker 2: the hardcore Zionist camps. They don't like certain aspects of this.
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Speaker 2: They don't like the fact that the United States is
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Speaker 2: going to come and occupy their.
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Speaker 1: Land in Gaza.
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Speaker 2: This is how some Israelis who view Gaza as their land,
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Speaker 2: they're not happy about this at all, Mikes. So this
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Speaker 2: is very interesting how Trump, through his Bulshey style as usual,
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Speaker 2: has basically wiggled everything loose, and everything is completely up
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Speaker 2: in the air.
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Speaker 1: At the moment. Yes, and Dat Mark be very interested
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Speaker 1: to get your thoughts on this. And the question is
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Speaker 1: whether Trump is beginning to backtrack maybe perhaps so.
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Speaker 3: It's a very audacious proposal, of course, to say the
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Speaker 3: would elbow its way in there, and I think it's
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Speaker 3: not surprising.
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Speaker 1: In one sense.
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Speaker 3: The US is more or less the Roman Empire of
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Speaker 3: the modern times. Wherever its military touches, wherever its power goes,
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Speaker 3: that is its domain. And so it could be, on
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Speaker 3: the one hand, a buffer to keep the IDF from
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Speaker 3: doing the very worst anymore in Gaza.
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Speaker 1: The US would be part of a new two state.
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Speaker 3: Solution, right the US and Israel would be the two
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Speaker 3: state solution. Rather than Israel and Palestine. But at the
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Speaker 3: same time, where would the United States get the authority
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Speaker 3: despite its Romanesque SiZ rsque kind of behavior, It really
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Speaker 3: doesn't have the authority to just simply move in there
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Speaker 3: and literally take ownership. But again, Trump tends to kind
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Speaker 3: of over extend himself for strategic and leverage reasons, and
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Speaker 3: then he ends up kind of backing off a little bit.
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Speaker 3: Will he act do this is the big question?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, go ahead, No, go ahead. Well, I think it's
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Speaker 2: just absolute nonsense. I mean, what he said is one
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Speaker 2: of the most ridiculous things that Trump's ever done in public,
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Speaker 2: and that's saying a lot. He has said some crazy
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Speaker 2: things over the years, but this is just totally divorced
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Speaker 2: from reality. And you know, you have to assume that
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Speaker 2: he or net Yahoo are negotiating in good faith. That
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Speaker 2: would be your first mistake, because clearly they're not if
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Speaker 2: you look at what's happened over the last fifteen months.
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Speaker 2: The other thing is as usual, Trump slipped and said, oh,
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Speaker 2: the king and Jordan and the general in Egypt, if
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Speaker 2: they're going to make some land available, that means that
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Speaker 2: they want to turf the Palestinians out what with US
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Speaker 2: troops at gunpoint, trail of tears, just like the Cherokees
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Speaker 2: marched to Oklahoma. I mean, this isn't going to happen.
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Speaker 2: So I don't see anything realistic in all of this.
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Speaker 2: I agree with it. Mark said, it's a ham fisted
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Speaker 2: way of creating verage. But the international backlash and the
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Speaker 2: effect that's exposed the ethnic cleansing agenda, now like there's
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Speaker 2: no hiding it. It's literally Trump the property developer.
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Speaker 1: Soon anyway, well, well, let's look at whether they're pulling
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Speaker 1: back a little bit from the position here is the
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Speaker 1: Lovely Catherine.
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Speaker 4: The President has not committed to putting boots on the
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Speaker 4: ground in Gaza. He has also said that the United
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Speaker 4: States is not going to pay for the rebuilding of Gaza.
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Speaker 4: His administration is going to work with our partners in
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Speaker 4: the region to reconstruct this region. And let me just
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Speaker 4: take a step back here, because this is an out
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Speaker 4: of the box idea. That's who President Trump is, that's
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Speaker 4: why the American people elected him, and his goal is
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Speaker 4: lasting peace in the Middle East for all people in
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Speaker 4: the region.
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Speaker 1: And the thing about it is, he's not talking about
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Speaker 1: paying for the redevelopment of Gaza. He's also not talking
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Speaker 1: about paying for whatever it is he's posing that all
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Speaker 1: the Palestinians go to live in. He's just basically proposed
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Speaker 1: dump them in the middle of the desert somewhere and
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Speaker 1: lead them to it.
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Speaker 2: But when it was with nen Ya who said that
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Speaker 2: we're going to build it and we're going to have
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Speaker 2: long term ownership, the US is going to have a
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Speaker 2: long term ownership position. So that's all twenty four hours later,
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Speaker 2: that's all being walked back and it's out of the
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Speaker 2: box idea because that's what President Trump is like. So actually, no,
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Speaker 2: this is not an out of the box idea. We
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Speaker 2: did a little bit of digging and it wasn't long
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Speaker 2: before we found out where this idea came from, and
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Speaker 2: it came from the what I call the nepotistic nightmare
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Speaker 2: that is Donald Trump's son in law, aka the president
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Speaker 2: in law. I don't know anybody that voted for Jared Kushner,
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Speaker 2: but somehow we've got a Jared Kushner administration.
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Speaker 1: Watch this in Gossa's waterfund property.
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Speaker 5: It could be very valuable too, if people would focus
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Speaker 5: on kind of building up you know, livelihoods. You think
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Speaker 5: of all the money that's gone into this tunnel network
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Speaker 5: and all the munitions. If that would have gone into
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Speaker 5: education or innovation, what could have been done. And so
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Speaker 5: I think that it's a little bit of an unfortunate
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Speaker 5: situation there. But I think from Israel's perspective, I would
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Speaker 5: do my best to move the people out and then
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Speaker 5: clean it up. But I don't think that Israel has
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Speaker 5: stated that they don't want the people to move back
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Speaker 5: there afterwards. Think that I would try to do. If
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Speaker 5: I was Israel right now, is I would just bulldoze
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Speaker 5: something in the negive. I would try to move people
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Speaker 5: in there. I know that won't be the popular thing
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Speaker 5: to do, but I think that that's a better option
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Speaker 5: to do, so you can go in and finish the job.
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Speaker 2: That's the guy that's in charge. He's running point for
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump's Israel Palestine issue. That's the author of the
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Speaker 2: Abraham Accords. That's not like nobody, it's not some random
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Speaker 2: guy talking. That is literally Donald Trump's right hand and
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Speaker 2: he's just told you what the agenda is there. So
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Speaker 2: that's kind of like where this came from. And by
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Speaker 2: the way, this has been confirmed by the Times of Israel.
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Speaker 2: Is Jared Kushner who gave him the idea, and what
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Speaker 2: happened according to reports Mike, is that Trump was briefed
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Speaker 2: by a couple of people and he got a little
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Speaker 2: bit confused before the Netsa Nahou press conference, and he
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Speaker 2: just kind of synthesized it together like an omelet Trump style,
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Speaker 2: and that just kind of blurted out, and like everyone
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Speaker 2: the whole world is like trying to deal with the fallout.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, But in the meantime, if we bring the
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Speaker 1: conversation a bit back to reality, Netan Yahoo presented Trump
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Speaker 1: with something pretty dark.
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Speaker 2: Actually, this is really something I don't know. So this
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Speaker 2: is a golden pager. This is presented by Netanyahu to
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump. Says to President Donald J. Trump, our greatest
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Speaker 2: friend in allie Prime Minister Benjamin Nenyahou, And this is
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Speaker 2: a pager. He's making a joke about the pager attack
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Speaker 2: against allegedly against Hesbula in Lebanon, which killed thirty seven people,
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Speaker 2: injured and maimed thousands, including children and bystanders.
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Speaker 1: And this is a.
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Speaker 2: Stolen olive tree cross section from Lebanon with the golden
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Speaker 2: pager press with both hands. It's just a sick joke
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Speaker 2: presented to the president here by by a wanted war
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Speaker 2: criminal with the ICC Netsing Yahoo. I mean, talk about
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Speaker 2: bad taste. Okay, this is so tone deaf. Now, is
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Speaker 2: it worse that he's giving this gift or is it
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Speaker 2: worse that the President accepted it? And that's the conundrum
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Speaker 2: you're in with with with Israel. You just it's like,
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Speaker 2: you know, you can be a billionaire, you can be
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Speaker 2: the richest man in the world, but you can't buy class.
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Speaker 2: And that's the problem with Netsing Yahoo and the way
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Speaker 2: things are going in this relationship.
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Speaker 1: But Mark, just to finish this segment off, then the
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Speaker 1: issue of isis.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, let's put that up on the screen if you
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Speaker 3: would mike that slide. Trump at that press conference with Natanyahu,
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Speaker 3: a joint press conference, referred to his first term and
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Speaker 3: he said that he and BB put together plans then
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Speaker 3: that brought peace and stability to the Middle East, much
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Speaker 3: more so than in many decades, and together he and
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Speaker 3: BB defeated Ices and that was referring to Trump's first
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Speaker 3: term and ended the disastrous I Ran nuclear deal. He
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Speaker 3: threw that in. But this December ninth headline from just
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Speaker 3: last December from the Pentagon Department of Defense mission to
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Speaker 3: defeat ISIS remains ongoing in Syria. The Defense Department's mission
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Speaker 3: to defeat ISIS remains ongoing in Syria, says in the
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Speaker 3: sub Had Deputy Pentagon Press Secretary Sabrina Singh said today,
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Speaker 3: and that was December ninth of just this last year.
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Speaker 3: So Isis still lives. The dragon still lives. They didn't
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Speaker 3: slay the dragon. And I did a little reading up,
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Speaker 3: and the October seventh alleged attack, at least alleged in
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Speaker 3: the way they described it, that was the powder keg
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Speaker 3: for the entire war on Gaza. There are some at
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Speaker 3: least tenuous connections, even though they say it was mainly
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Speaker 3: engineered by Hamas. There are some connections in the greater
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Speaker 3: Islamic world of ISIS with that attack, at least there
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Speaker 3: are claims of it. So there's a lot of irony
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Speaker 3: there that not only did they not defeat ISIS, but
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Speaker 3: ISIS may have had at least a secondary involvement in
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Speaker 3: the events of October seventh. So there's a lot of
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Speaker 3: misstatements going on that just don't ring true that surround
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Speaker 3: this whole issue.
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Speaker 2: You don't agree with that I would push back against that.
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Speaker 2: I've seen those claims and a lot of them originate
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Speaker 2: from Israeli sources or kind of conservative US.
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Speaker 1: But what we can say, on the other hand is
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Speaker 1: that US money and arms have been funding and arming
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Speaker 1: ISIS in Syria for example, and wild places.
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Speaker 2: Isis tried to emerge in Gaza and they got pushed
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Speaker 2: out by Hamas and chased out. Basically, they shut it
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Speaker 2: down pretty quickly. That you don't have Gaza's of plural
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Speaker 2: stick society with Orthodox Christians, Catholics, Protestants, you know, Muslims, Shiites,
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Speaker 2: mix of people, Drus as well. So it's a pluristic,
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Speaker 2: multi ethnic, multi religious tapestry. It's always been that way.
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Speaker 2: But the West are trying to portray it as radical
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Speaker 2: Islam and then trying to portray Hamas as a radical
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Speaker 2: Islamist terrorist organization. But Hamas was founded by the Israelis
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Speaker 2: themselves to create a counterbalance against the Yasser Arafat and
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Speaker 2: the PLO funded by Israel, because they wanted to create
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Speaker 2: a radical image of Gaza so that they could do
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Speaker 2: what they're doing to it right now. So and what
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Speaker 2: happened was Hamas kind of grew out of control, even
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Speaker 2: out of Israeli control, and it became something that they
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Speaker 2: couldn't handle at some point. Sound familiar Israel itself when
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Speaker 2: the United States Israel became something that we can't handle.
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Speaker 2: But I will say the other thing is there is
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Speaker 2: no truth at all that the in Israel defeated ISIS.
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Speaker 2: In fact, ISIS never attacked Israel. The one time it did,
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Speaker 2: it apologized.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 2: Israel acted as isis's air force in Syria four years
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Speaker 2: the United States hit Syrian troops, hit Russian troops to
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Speaker 2: defend ISIS positions, and the US did not engage ISIS
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Speaker 2: on the ground. ISIS was engaged by the Iranian Kods forces,
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Speaker 2: the Iraqi Hashtel Shabi People's Mobilization Units and Hesbula. They
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Speaker 2: defeated ISIS on the ground. I was in Iraq in the
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Speaker 2: liberation of Iraq when they defeated ISIS in Iraq. Okay,
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Speaker 2: so I can tell you I was there and the
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Speaker 2: US did nothing. All the US did was flatt and
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Speaker 2: mosul and flatten Raka and kill about twenty thousand civilians
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Speaker 2: in the process and very few ISIS fighters. The Russians,
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Speaker 2: on the other hand, dealt a huge blow to ISIS
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Speaker 2: in Syria, they were actually hitting targets, unlike the United
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Speaker 2: States who blew up quite a few empty buildings and
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Speaker 2: killed lot of civilians and then basically backed off in
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Speaker 2: declared victory. I mean, it was, It's the biggest farce
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Speaker 2: that the US defeated Isis. It's one of the biggest
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Speaker 2: lies going, and they're still trading off it. And yet,
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Speaker 2: as Mark pointed out, even though you pointed out, even
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Speaker 2: though they claim they defeated ISIS, that's still the official
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Speaker 2: reason why they're in Syria. So, I mean, the whole
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Speaker 2: thing is a joke.
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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, look, let's move on to Ukraine then and
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Speaker 1: bring this up. This is from the Russian intelligence agencies
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Speaker 1: through a media release. Let's do a quick translation of it.
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Speaker 1: It says NETTLE members are preparing a campaign to discredit
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Speaker 1: ze Lensky. So this is the third of February. The
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Speaker 1: Russian Foreign Intelligence Service published this press release stating that
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Speaker 1: they quote, according to information received by the SVR Nitto
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Speaker 1: headquarters is increasingly thinking about a change of part in Ukraine.
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Speaker 1: They're saying that NATO at all costs wants to maintain
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Speaker 1: what remains Ukraine as an anti Russian enclaff and they
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Speaker 1: want to quote freeze the conflict by bringing everyone to
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Speaker 1: the table for what the Russians claim NATO is calling
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Speaker 1: the beginning of a settlement. So Russia claims NATO views
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Speaker 1: the only impediment to this scenario is Zelenski himself, and
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Speaker 1: they say that NATO wants them gone, and they're saying
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Speaker 1: in the run up to the election campaign, NATO headquarters
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Speaker 1: is preparing a large scale operation to discredit Zelenski. One
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Speaker 1: of the things they say that NATO will eventually release
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Speaker 1: it's Zelenski and his close associates have misappropriated one and
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Speaker 1: a half billion dollars that was intended to be used
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Speaker 1: to buy ammunition for the war. And the Russians also
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Speaker 1: saying that NATO will reveal that Tzelenski and his crew
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Speaker 1: will have withdrawn the salaries of one hundred and thirty
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Speaker 1: thousand dead Ukrainian servicemen to foreign bank accounts by listing
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Speaker 1: them as alive when in fact they we're already dead. Now,
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Speaker 1: around the same time that the Russians published that press
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Speaker 1: release political this article reporting that Russia was getting behind
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Speaker 1: US calls for an election in Ukraine. So suddenly the
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Speaker 1: US calling for elections in Ukraine, which seems to fit
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Speaker 1: with what the Russians were saying in that personal lease.
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Speaker 1: And this call was made by US Special Envoy for
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Speaker 1: Ukraine and Russia, Keith Kellogg, who said, in most democracies
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Speaker 1: elections taking place even during wartime. I think it's important.
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Speaker 1: I believe it's good for democracy. The beauty of a
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Speaker 1: strong democracy is having more than one potential candidate. So
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Speaker 1: political quotes Borders are saying that Kellogg and other White
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Speaker 1: House officials have floated the idea of pushing Ukraine to
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Speaker 1: agree to elections as part of an initial truce with Russia.
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Speaker 1: But Politico is also reporting that Ukraine currently can't hold
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Speaker 1: legal elections because the constitution doesn't allow elections during wartime,
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Speaker 1: and while Ukraine is under marshal law, and of course
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Speaker 1: Lensky put martial law place at the time the Russian
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Speaker 1: Special operation began. But even Zelenski's political rivals are against
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Speaker 1: the idea, at least according to the Kiev Post. And
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Speaker 1: who do you think they quote, Well, no one other
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Speaker 1: than Petro Parshenko. So do you think he means it, Patrick,
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Speaker 1: Absolutely not.
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Speaker 2: So. Petro Porshenko is such a political animal so to
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Speaker 2: what he's doing is very clever. To the Ukrainian audience,
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Speaker 2: he's saying basically, no, no, no, we don't want elections,
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Speaker 2: because if he says we want elections, the ash battalions
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Speaker 2: and the Nazi factions will absolutely flatten him, possibly even
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Speaker 2: chase him out of the country or kill him.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 2: So to the international audience, Porshenko is basically saying that
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Speaker 2: we will not negotiate with the Russians and there will
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Speaker 2: be no peace until we recover all of our territory,
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Speaker 2: including Crimea in nineteen ninety one borders. So he's talking
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Speaker 2: to the British government and to Washington. So externally, he's
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Speaker 2: putting himself out as a candidate for the election, a
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Speaker 2: hardliner that is not going to take anything from the Russians.
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Speaker 2: You see how clever Petro Korshenko has turned into quite
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Speaker 2: a skilled politician over the years.
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Speaker 1: In the meantime, in an effort, well, what the question
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Speaker 1: is is was it in an effort to shore up
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Speaker 1: Zelenski order to discredit him? What peers Morgan was deployed
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Speaker 1: to interview him. Let's have a quick listen to this.
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Speaker 6: President. Let me be clear, I do not personally believe
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Speaker 6: that is the reason he invaded Ukraine. I think he
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Speaker 6: just wanted to get his hands on Ukraine and he
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Speaker 6: didn't care how many people he killed to do it.
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Speaker 6: But there is, as you know, there are. What he
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Speaker 6: tells his people is that he's doing this for the
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Speaker 6: protection of the national security of Russia, that he couldn't
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Speaker 6: have Ukraine joining NATO because that would present an exponential
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Speaker 6: threat to his existential threat to the security of the
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Speaker 6: Russian people. I don't agree with that, and that's what
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Speaker 6: he tells his people, and so I'm just I'm moving
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Speaker 6: forward to when you're all sitting around a table and
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Speaker 6: you're trying to negotiate your way to an end of
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Speaker 6: the hot stage of the war. I just don't see
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Speaker 6: any way he allows you, as part of that settlement
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Speaker 6: to become a full member of NATA. And that's why
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Speaker 6: it's interesting to me that you're now outlining a potential
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Speaker 6: Plan B, if you like, which involves enough guarantees of security,
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Speaker 6: particularly with the military, that you're able to deter him
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Speaker 6: from attacking again. And I think that is a correct
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Speaker 6: understanding of your position.
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Speaker 7: If nature is not today, but in some time in
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Speaker 7: the future, then all this for us when we go
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Speaker 7: to NATO, all this time, when we are waiting, no
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Speaker 7: matter how long it takes and unfortunately does not depend
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Speaker 7: on us. If this process is protracted for years of decades,
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Speaker 7: not because of us, but because of partners, then we
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Speaker 7: have absolutely just questioned what will be defending us against
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Speaker 7: this evil for this whole time, on this whole path,
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Speaker 7: which support package, which missiles? Will we be giving nuclear weapons?
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Speaker 7: Then let them give us nuclear weapons.
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Speaker 1: So there you go, he's dying for nukes.
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Speaker 2: Listen, when I first saw that, I thought Piers Morgan
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Speaker 2: has just scored the biggest own goal because he was
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Speaker 2: humiliated by Tucker Carlson in the riad interview that Tucker
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Speaker 2: did with Piers Morgan. It was humiliating for Piers Morgan.
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Speaker 2: I mean, he really exposed himself as the sort of
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Speaker 2: shallow propagandist, the sort of Murdoch stooge, the warmonger, you know,
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Speaker 2: the completely cheap reality TV show personality. But now looking
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Speaker 2: at this, what Morgan did is he just destroyed any
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Speaker 2: negotiated settlement opening talks by putting Zelenski out talking about nukes.
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Speaker 2: I mean, if Russia needs a public reason to go
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Speaker 2: all the way to Kiev. Zelenski just laid it out
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Speaker 2: on a silver salva, and Morgan is the butler basically
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Speaker 2: serving up the dish on that. So but now I'm
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Speaker 2: thinking if he is a propaganda stooge for Rupert Murdoch,
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Speaker 2: he's playing a role, isn't he. He's basically set up Zelenski,
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Speaker 2: who everybody knows is a complete buffoon, who is a
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Speaker 2: total egomaniac and a megalomaniac who really is on borrowed time.
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Speaker 2: Let's face it. A couple of months, Zelensky's on a
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Speaker 2: jet to Switzerland or you know, London and Mayfair to
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Speaker 2: hang out with his ILLUSIONI at Lancashire House or whatever,
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Speaker 2: or off to Washington.
20:34
Speaker 1: He's gone.
20:35
Speaker 2: So all he can do here is give the Russians
20:38
Speaker 2: much more leverage in negotiations, which they've just got.
20:41
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay, Well look, the other big story from
20:45
Speaker 1: the States at least is the shutting down of us ID.
20:49
Speaker 1: In a minute, we're going to look at the implications
20:52
Speaker 1: for quite a number of squealing British angeos and charlies
20:57
Speaker 1: and salon. But what have you got on this?
20:58
Speaker 2: This is a seismic tremor that's happened here for whatever reason,
21:04
Speaker 2: and it could be for political reasons. USAID will bring
21:08
Speaker 2: this up on screen. This is the US International Agency
21:11
Speaker 2: for Aid and Development. They claimed to do food aid
21:16
Speaker 2: and things like that, and certainly they do a bit
21:18
Speaker 2: of that. Founded by Jjohn F. Kennedy in nineteen sixty one,
21:23
Speaker 2: and really it was an influence during the Cold War
21:26
Speaker 2: area influence operations run by USAID. Here it's over for now,
21:32
Speaker 2: and this is what will try to explain to you.
21:34
Speaker 2: So it's not fully gone. But all the kind of
21:37
Speaker 2: crazy DEI woke international LGBT of theatrical performances, all of
21:43
Speaker 2: that nested under a forty billion dollar per year budget
21:47
Speaker 2: at USAID, and that money gets spread around to a
21:50
Speaker 2: lot of places. The biggest recipient is actually under the
21:54
Speaker 2: banner of governance, the most amount of funding. Then you
21:57
Speaker 2: have pro democracy activities under the civil society banner, and
22:01
Speaker 2: then also paying for in subsidizing foreign media MIC.
22:05
Speaker 1: This is a big part of it. So if you
22:06
Speaker 1: look at places like.
22:07
Speaker 2: Romania, Bulgaria, Serbia, all of these places on the CUSP,
22:11
Speaker 2: either of NATO membership or Western versus Russian influence, they'll
22:16
Speaker 2: spend a lot more money there, plus anything in China's
22:20
Speaker 2: external orbit, across the Middle East, you name it, they're there,
22:24
Speaker 2: South America, They're all over the world. So Romania a
22:28
Speaker 2: lot of media activity there to make it pro NATO.
22:30
Speaker 2: Same with Bulgaria, Ukraine and so forth. They'll run defamation
22:37
Speaker 2: operations against Western journalists using Ukrainian cutouts funded by USAID.
22:43
Speaker 2: I was in one of those USA defunded hit lists
22:47
Speaker 2: of journalists, and so it's a good way to find
22:51
Speaker 2: out who's doing good independent media work. You just go
22:54
Speaker 2: look at those hit lists. So that's what they've been doing.
22:57
Speaker 2: So they've taken a wrecking ball to this. And I
22:59
Speaker 2: think the initial the initial impetus was Samantha Power was
23:03
Speaker 2: the head of USAID. Will show in a minute, but
23:06
Speaker 2: she was one of the progenitors of Russia Gate, and
23:08
Speaker 2: a lot of the Russia Gate stuff was laundered through
23:10
Speaker 2: USAID funded cutout operations NGOs media, plus the Southern border
23:16
Speaker 2: issue was definitely tied into USAID. So those were the
23:19
Speaker 2: initial targets. But what they found was a lot more
23:23
Speaker 2: once they lifted up the hood and saw what was
23:25
Speaker 2: underneath this dirty engine of US power and influence. So
23:30
Speaker 2: here's Samantha Power here, I mean she is the head
23:33
Speaker 2: of it here, she's running for the notice. The Atlantic
23:36
Speaker 2: Council is another one of these NGOs. They're hosting a
23:40
Speaker 2: forum here. This is Gay Pride Month, I guess, so
23:44
Speaker 2: it's what USAID is doing for pride around the world.
23:47
Speaker 2: So they're really into funding all of these sort of
23:50
Speaker 2: progressive identity politics, trans LGBT and so forth, feminist stuff
23:57
Speaker 2: and basically everything that the Trump coming Trump administration and
24:01
Speaker 2: JD Vance and everybody Elon Musk wants to basically take
24:05
Speaker 2: a wrecking ball to. So that's missus cast Sunstein there
24:10
Speaker 2: and we'll go on here. So Marco Rubio is now
24:13
Speaker 2: the appointed USAID Acting Administrator, so he's basically taken over.
24:17
Speaker 2: This is a Secretary of State. So what they've done
24:20
Speaker 2: here is interesting. They pulled USAID under the State Department
24:25
Speaker 2: for tighter management. They'll do calling. They'll keep the things
24:28
Speaker 2: they want, they'll get rid of the things they don't like,
24:31
Speaker 2: and they'll probably add new things. And some of this
24:33
Speaker 2: is also going to get farmed into the new CIA,
24:37
Speaker 2: the new Central Intelligence Agency, and that's where it was
24:40
Speaker 2: before Kennedy created USCID and the National DAMA for Democracy.
24:44
Speaker 2: All of this regime change, democracy promotion was done through
24:48
Speaker 2: and influence in media was done through the directly under
24:51
Speaker 2: the cia IS umbrella, Trump will also take under the
24:54
Speaker 2: executive branch direct control and management of some of these
24:59
Speaker 2: deep state, clandestine or whatever you want to call them,
25:02
Speaker 2: influence operations. So that's just a little bit of it.
25:05
Speaker 2: There's probably a lot. It's much more complex than that.
25:08
Speaker 2: But what's interesting about Marco Rubio, who is now railing
25:11
Speaker 2: against USCID. He's also on the board of the International
25:15
Speaker 2: Republican Institute, which is funded by USAID to the tune
25:20
Speaker 2: of some people are reporting as much as one hundred
25:22
Speaker 2: and thirty million in total. I'm not sure if that's
25:25
Speaker 2: annual funding. I think that's just aggregate. But Rubio, I
25:29
Speaker 2: don't know. I haven't checked the financials close enough to
25:32
Speaker 2: note if he is taking a second salary from the
25:35
Speaker 2: International Republican Institute, which is the right wing version of
25:39
Speaker 2: the National Endowment for Democracy, which the Democrats tend to
25:43
Speaker 2: work through the NED to do their influence ops internationally.
25:47
Speaker 2: And the International Republican Institute, which was run mainly by
25:50
Speaker 2: John McCain while he was alive. They ran Sakshvili from Georgia.
25:55
Speaker 2: Through here, they've ran Salumi, the French president of Georgia recently.
26:00
Speaker 2: She's part of this organization as well. Rubio's on the board,
26:04
Speaker 2: as is Lindsey Graham and others. So I mean they're
26:08
Speaker 2: kind of involved in this as well, even though they're
26:10
Speaker 2: pretending to be attacking it, which I find very interesting.
26:16
Speaker 1: So what about Chris Murphy.
26:18
Speaker 2: Well, Chris Murphy, there's an interesting character. So he is
26:22
Speaker 2: railing against He's a senator from Connecticut. He was on
26:25
Speaker 2: stage with John McCain before the MYDN whipping up the
26:28
Speaker 2: neo Nazi crowds in December and Kiev in twenty fourteen.
26:33
Speaker 1: That's Chris Murphy.
26:35
Speaker 2: So he's really upset about this now that Democrats are
26:38
Speaker 2: really pushing back. So he got very angry and got
26:40
Speaker 2: a crowd together in front of Capitol Hill and here's
26:43
Speaker 2: what he said.
26:48
Speaker 8: So Elon Musk has been floating all sorts of awful,
26:52
Speaker 8: terrible conspiracy theories about what happens at USAID. Let's make
26:56
Speaker 8: it very clear that every single day America is safer
27:00
Speaker 8: because of what happens at USAID. USAID fights terrorist groups
27:09
Speaker 8: all across this world, making sure that we address the
27:12
Speaker 8: underlying causes for a retreat to terrorism. USAID chases China
27:17
Speaker 8: all around the world, making sure that China doesn't monopolize
27:21
Speaker 8: contracts for critical minerals and port infrastructure all around the world.
27:28
Speaker 8: It supports freedom fighters everywhere in this world, up until yesterday,
27:34
Speaker 8: delivering firewood, for instance, to the brave Ukrainian defenders on
27:38
Speaker 8: the Eastern front.
27:45
Speaker 1: So it funds freedom fighters will run the world. He's
27:48
Speaker 1: talking about the white helmets he's talking about is he's
27:50
Speaker 1: talking about.
27:51
Speaker 2: Al Kada, the t Grays in Ethiopia. I mean, wherever
27:54
Speaker 2: you find terrorists, you will find USAID. What Chris Murphy
27:57
Speaker 2: is talking about. The funny one was fire for the
28:00
Speaker 2: Ukrainians on the front line, who are basically getting massacred
28:04
Speaker 2: in one of the worst war of attritions ever. And
28:06
Speaker 2: he's they're cheering like this is some great achievement. So yeah,
28:11
Speaker 2: so firewood here for Zelensky. He's saying thank you very
28:15
Speaker 2: much to US A. A. D and Donald Trump for
28:18
Speaker 2: the firewood. And it's going to be a warm winter
28:22
Speaker 2: in Ukraine. So this is this is kind of what
28:25
Speaker 2: they get up to. I find it to be comical
28:28
Speaker 2: to say the least. But what you were talking about before,
28:32
Speaker 2: let's just you know, understand what we're dealing with here.
28:35
Speaker 2: And this is where it gets interesting. This organization is
28:39
Speaker 2: an instrument of smart power. Like soft power is media influence. Internationally,
28:45
Speaker 2: smart power is NGO influence. And so this is a
28:49
Speaker 2: really important part of the US empire. So while they
28:53
Speaker 2: have to be careful if they want to keep their empire,
28:56
Speaker 2: not to throw the baby out with the bathwater. I mean,
28:58
Speaker 2: I'm happy to see USAID being dismantled. I've been exposing
29:03
Speaker 2: it for over a decade through my work on interviews,
29:07
Speaker 2: podcasts and so forth. I've even written a paper and
29:10
Speaker 2: done academic papers on it as well. So it's like
29:13
Speaker 2: I'm happy to see this. But I don't think the
29:15
Speaker 2: Trump administration these people realize the depth of how far
29:20
Speaker 2: the influence spreads. I mean, this is a funded network
29:24
Speaker 2: whose tentacles reach into every single country around the world.
29:28
Speaker 2: I saw this firsthand in the Middle East, where they
29:30
Speaker 2: would use you USAID to divide and rule. So they'll
29:34
Speaker 2: fund the Christians in Lebanon, but not the sheides to
29:38
Speaker 2: create animosity between sectarian division in Lebanon. So they'll do
29:43
Speaker 2: English language courses in wealthy Christian areas, but they won't
29:49
Speaker 2: fund anything in some of the Muslim areas, So those
29:52
Speaker 2: Christians will be more pro us. They'll be much more
29:55
Speaker 2: on board with whatever the US embassy is saying regarding
29:58
Speaker 2: Syria and Lebanon and so forth. So this is how
30:00
Speaker 2: it works in Afghanistan, in Africa, and they can switch
30:03
Speaker 2: it on and off depending on who's in power. There's
30:06
Speaker 2: a fifth column that USCID has funded in every country
30:10
Speaker 2: and all they have to do is flick the switch
30:12
Speaker 2: depending on who comes into power. If it's a populace,
30:15
Speaker 2: they don't like flick the switch. You can get people
30:18
Speaker 2: on the street against Vuceich marching in Serbia as you
30:21
Speaker 2: can see, or start whispering campaigns like Vucech is selling
30:25
Speaker 2: out Serbia to Nado or something like that. And these
30:28
Speaker 2: people are all in the payroll basically of USCID, So
30:32
Speaker 2: they don't realize a lot of people in the Trump
30:34
Speaker 2: administration d Rubio knows. Rubio knows of what a valuable
30:40
Speaker 2: tool it is here. But let's just take a look.
30:43
Speaker 2: So ten years ago roughly or twenty sixteen, smart Power,
30:47
Speaker 2: this is an article that we published I think you
30:50
Speaker 2: did a previous version of this up at UK column.
30:53
Speaker 2: And here is where we expose the White Helmets. So
30:57
Speaker 2: among all these different you've got the National Democrats Institute,
31:01
Speaker 2: You've got the Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights and Labor
31:04
Speaker 2: that's international, the Middle East Partnership Initiative, the Millennium Challenge Corporation.
31:09
Speaker 2: You've seen that in the UK as well and across Europe.
31:12
Speaker 2: And these things are tied into the WEF and Soros
31:17
Speaker 2: Open Society.
31:18
Speaker 1: But USCID is the Swiss army knife.
31:21
Speaker 2: Of NGOs, and the latter's reputation here as a facade
31:26
Speaker 2: for US covert operations is well documented by now and
31:29
Speaker 2: is currently it's the US's number one funding vehicle for
31:34
Speaker 2: the controversial White Helmets in Syria. Tens of millions of
31:39
Speaker 2: dollars were funneled to the White Helmets through USAID. And
31:44
Speaker 2: right now, with all the exposures Elon Musk is talking
31:47
Speaker 2: about Marco Rubio Trump, nobody is mentioning how much money
31:53
Speaker 2: the White Helmets received from the United States government via
31:56
Speaker 2: USID because both parties do not want to own that,
32:00
Speaker 2: so they're being very selective. They're talking about DEI, you know,
32:04
Speaker 2: trans Theater productions in Ireland. All of that stuff makes
32:07
Speaker 2: headlines of the kind of anti woke stuff, but they're
32:11
Speaker 2: really hardcore funding of terrorist organizations. The White Helmets, let's
32:15
Speaker 2: not kid ourselves. Members of the White Helmets are proven
32:19
Speaker 2: to be also fighters with Al Nusra. There's photographic evidence,
32:23
Speaker 2: we published reams of it over the years. So effectively,
32:27
Speaker 2: they're subsidizing terrorism in Syria for years the United States
32:32
Speaker 2: government and so is any is it going to be
32:34
Speaker 2: any accountability for that? Is Elon Musk going to pull
32:37
Speaker 2: any of that up? Is he going to send his
32:39
Speaker 2: savants in to show us where the White Helmets money
32:43
Speaker 2: is going? And the contractors under USCID like Commonis in Washington,
32:48
Speaker 2: d C. They're directly involved with all of these groups
32:52
Speaker 2: in Syria, all of them. That's not going to get exposed.
32:55
Speaker 2: I haven't seen it exposed yet, So we'll do our
32:58
Speaker 2: best to expose it and put pressure sure on those
33:00
Speaker 2: people to maybe release some of that information because I
33:04
Speaker 2: think it's highly relevant.
33:06
Speaker 1: So, as we said, the NGO sector going nuts, and
33:10
Speaker 1: not just them, as we'll see now, let's here's the
33:13
Speaker 1: Telegraph here. For example, BBC's Media Action charity received US
33:19
Speaker 1: AID funding and so they are commenting on in fact,
33:24
Speaker 1: that the US administration was commenting, for example, on disinformation
33:28
Speaker 1: operations in Kazakhstan. This Telegraph article here, Well, I'm glad
33:33
Speaker 1: they finally caught up. As usual, the mainstream media does
33:36
Speaker 1: catch up with you at some point with what the
33:38
Speaker 1: UK columns did done because of course we published this
33:42
Speaker 1: in twenty fourteen. This information. It should come as no
33:45
Speaker 1: surprise to anybody that BBC Media Action is funded, amongst others,
33:51
Speaker 1: by the US State Department and also the USAID. Now
33:55
Speaker 1: this is the graph as it was, or the breakdown
33:57
Speaker 1: of their funding in twenty fourteen that has continued on
34:02
Speaker 1: since then. But this article, to say, written by Brian Gerrish,
34:06
Speaker 1: the article was not just covering Kazakhstan but also Kenya, Syria, Ukraine,
34:11
Speaker 1: all places that BBC Media Action were active. And this
34:15
Speaker 1: is about media development, in other words, helping build a
34:18
Speaker 1: media and influence operations in countries that might not otherwise
34:22
Speaker 1: have a pro British or pro Western editorial policy. Now
34:26
Speaker 1: Elon got in on the act. So here he is
34:30
Speaker 1: saying the BBC is literally state funded, not quite accurate,
34:34
Speaker 1: but nonetheless BBC Media felt the need to respond and
34:39
Speaker 1: they said, a free press is essential to freedom and democracy. Well,
34:43
Speaker 1: hold on a second. What you're doing is media development,
34:46
Speaker 1: So of course it is essential for the pursuit of
34:49
Speaker 1: inverted Comma's freedom and democracy in the sense that you
34:53
Speaker 1: mean it that you are given the money to pursue
34:56
Speaker 1: these efforts in these countries. And they said seventy five
34:59
Speaker 1: percent the countries around the world do not have a
35:02
Speaker 1: free press. Britain does not have the free press. Should
35:05
Speaker 1: we should note for various reasons. BBC Media Actions, they say,
35:09
Speaker 1: supports local media around the world to deliver trusted information
35:12
Speaker 1: to people most in need. And by trusted information they
35:15
Speaker 1: mean information that is trusted by Western intelligence agencies and
35:19
Speaker 1: Western elites. Exactly right. But as I said, it doesn't
35:24
Speaker 1: end with NGOs and charities. The direct funding of mainstream
35:28
Speaker 1: media organizations through subscriptions is also coming under the magnifying glass.
35:32
Speaker 1: So here's political kiss and point eight million dollars is
35:36
Speaker 1: the number that's doing the runs at the moment. However,
35:38
Speaker 1: according to US regime funding records, only forty four thousand
35:43
Speaker 1: dollars if that came from USA during twenty twenty three
35:45
Speaker 1: and twenty twenty four that financial year, with the remaining
35:48
Speaker 1: some coming from other federal agencies. So that's okay then,
35:52
Speaker 1: isn't it. It's not state funded media, well precisely, so
35:57
Speaker 1: it looks like more money also spent on political Political
36:02
Speaker 1: pro which is political's intelligence platform. And then the question
36:05
Speaker 1: has to be asked, does the US regime not have
36:08
Speaker 1: an intelligence capability of its own that needs to be
36:10
Speaker 1: spending money. So this doesn't look like, you know, people
36:14
Speaker 1: getting subscriptions, This looks like a bung This looks like subsidy.
36:18
Speaker 2: And what political pro was was basically a dashboard of
36:22
Speaker 2: talking points for other mainstream media, people in government, people
36:26
Speaker 2: in federal departments. That everybody is singing from the same
36:30
Speaker 2: hym sheet. So it's kind of like doing it out
36:32
Speaker 2: in public. That's one of the geniuses of USAID. It
36:36
Speaker 2: was out in the open. There's a lot of merits
36:38
Speaker 2: to that it was hiding in plain sight. The problem
36:41
Speaker 2: is too many other countries have figured out the game
36:44
Speaker 2: and they've started kicking them out, like Hungary, Egypt, Russia,
36:49
Speaker 2: and basically the list goes on, so's fewer and fewer
36:51
Speaker 2: countries that will be able to that USAID can operate
36:55
Speaker 2: on with these influence operations. I was in Hungary only
36:59
Speaker 2: before the new year, and they had to It was
37:01
Speaker 2: so bad and hungry. They had to open an Office
37:04
Speaker 2: of Sovereignty Protection to basically battle the likes of Uscid
37:09
Speaker 2: and these NGOs that were trying to create fifth columns
37:12
Speaker 2: to overthrow Victor Urban basically because he was getting too
37:15
Speaker 2: popular and his agenda was getting too popular. So they
37:19
Speaker 2: literally had to create a government department just to share
37:22
Speaker 2: information with the public about what all these NGOs like
37:25
Speaker 2: George Soros Open Society and everybody's up to. I mean literally,
37:29
Speaker 2: Western government's trying to topple NATO member states. I mean
37:33
Speaker 2: that's what was happening. It's just ridiculous, right, and.
37:36
Speaker 1: Money, by the way, was also being spent on the
37:39
Speaker 1: New York Times and Washington Post. So what about political response, Well,
37:43
Speaker 1: CNN has it here with this classic headline Whitehouse says
37:46
Speaker 1: it will council million dollars and political subscriptions after a
37:50
Speaker 1: false right wing conspiracy theory spreads, so you know, you're
37:54
Speaker 1: admitting it. They're minion dollars, but it was a conspiracy theory.
37:57
Speaker 1: But anyway, the response from political themselves is that the
38:02
Speaker 1: political has never been a beneficiary of government, programs or subsease,
38:06
Speaker 1: not one cent ever in eighteen years. No, they just
38:10
Speaker 1: bought subscriptions instead to the tune of eight million dollars
38:13
Speaker 1: and that makes it up. But anyway, we gotta we
38:16
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Speaker 1: Mark and well. National Media Literacy Week, Yes, the.
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Speaker 3: National News Literacy Week is being sponsored by the News
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Speaker 3: news company that's behind this, along with that other news
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Speaker 3: Literacy project. That organization it just concluded today February seventh,
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Speaker 3: has been going since February third. This is the sixth
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Speaker 3: and USA today. It provides educators with resources to weed
40:24
Speaker 3: out missinfo and dis info and the DC based nonprofit
40:28
Speaker 3: News Literacy Project, which started in two thousand and eight,
40:32
Speaker 3: is funded. And at first I didn't see this. I
40:34
Speaker 3: thought at first, maybe this looked a little more innocent
40:37
Speaker 3: or a little more on the level. But I did
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Speaker 3: a little bit of digging, and that Literacy project is
40:42
Speaker 3: funded by, among others, the Carnegie Carnegie Corporation of New York,
40:46
Speaker 3: the Henry Loose Foundation, which is Time Life News Corp.
40:49
Speaker 3: Which is Murdoch Hurst Foundations, New York Times, Bloomberg Philanthropies
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Speaker 3: that needs no explanation, the Crown Family Philanthropies, which, among
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Speaker 3: other things, is the defense industry, The and B and
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Speaker 3: Thomas L. Friedman Family Foundation that's the longtime columnists for
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Speaker 3: the New York Times, Tom Friedman, and dozens of others.
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Speaker 3: So right away, it got sort of a different smell
41:13
Speaker 3: to it as I looked into it. Now here's a
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Speaker 9: Teens are navigating the most complex information landscape in history.
41:25
Speaker 9: Social media feeds mix rumors, memes, and influencer marketing in
41:30
Speaker 9: with news, opinion, and entertainment. It's no wonder young people
41:35
Speaker 9: don't know how to separate fact from fiction. News literacy
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Speaker 3: Fabricated content is misinformation that is designed to deceive you
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Speaker 3: One thing that strikes me in that video before we
41:56
Speaker 3: look at the next slide briefly, is that they talk
41:59
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Speaker 3: and that it mixes entertainment with news and the whole
42:06
Speaker 3: thing is very confusing. That is absolutely true, and even
42:09
Speaker 3: more so of television itself. In fact, the Scripts Howard
42:14
Speaker 3: Company or EW Scripts as it's sometimes called, boasts about
42:19
Speaker 3: the fact that it owns both entertainment and news media assets,
42:23
Speaker 3: and then they attack social media as being a problem
42:27
Speaker 3: for pushing forth those same things, news and entertainment and
42:31
Speaker 3: confusing things. So therefore they're really targeting the young people
42:34
Speaker 3: and the population in general with their version of what
42:38
Speaker 3: news really is and what it isn't in this crusade.
42:42
Speaker 3: We'll look at this next slide. Some of the educational
42:44
Speaker 3: elements that are being put before the kids mainly are
42:48
Speaker 3: for instance, dangerous, offensive and malicious content could include discriminatory language,
42:53
Speaker 3: unverified pseudoscience think about vaccines in that regard, content that
42:58
Speaker 3: promotes violence or coverrige that as the Society Professional Journalists
43:02
Speaker 3: Code of Ethic states, panders to lurid curiosity, and then
43:08
Speaker 3: lack of balance, consistently focusing on one angle or side
43:11
Speaker 3: of a legitimate debate or controversy while ignoring or distorting
43:15
Speaker 3: other perspectives. That's very ironic that this would be in
43:19
Speaker 3: the news literacy projects content for reasons that we'll see
43:23
Speaker 3: in just a moment. Let's move on from there. This
43:25
Speaker 3: is just a little background. The ew Script's Company, also
43:29
Speaker 3: known as Scripts, is an American broadcasting company. It goes
43:32
Speaker 3: all the way back to eighteen seventy eight. It started
43:34
Speaker 3: as a chain of daily newspapers. Is headquartered at the
43:38
Speaker 3: Script Center in Cincinnati, Ohio. For the record, is started
43:41
Speaker 3: in the newspaper business, expanded into radio and TV, but
43:45
Speaker 3: has sold off its newspaper holdings in twenty fourteen and
43:48
Speaker 3: exited radio fairly recently in twenty eighteen, so it's strictly
43:52
Speaker 3: television now. Of the Scripts Howard Fund gets into journalism education,
43:57
Speaker 3: this so called childhood literacy. They're talking about. The Scripts
44:00
Speaker 3: Howard Foundation has similar aims and early Scripts newspaper chain decisions.
44:05
Speaker 3: By the way, they included not using the Associated Press
44:09
Speaker 3: wire service, and Scripts literally created United Press International, claiming
44:14
Speaker 3: Associated Press was just for the plutocrats. In fact, UPI
44:18
Speaker 3: wasn't really much better than AP in the long run.
44:21
Speaker 3: But the reason I'd mentioned the Pard in there about
44:25
Speaker 3: they want people to look out for news outlets that
44:28
Speaker 3: focus only on one angle to the exclusion of other angles.
44:31
Speaker 3: That's really ironic because as I did a little bit
44:34
Speaker 3: more digging, I came across the Howard Center, and that's
44:38
Speaker 3: based at Arizona State University, and the Howard Center is
44:42
Speaker 3: made possible by the scripts Howard Foundation, and they did
44:46
Speaker 3: their investigative journalism unit did a hit piece on Richard
44:50
Speaker 3: Max's Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association. And when I
44:54
Speaker 3: watched the nine minute news video that came out of
44:57
Speaker 3: their investigation with Richard Mack, it was absolutely one sided
45:02
Speaker 3: that Richard Mack was irredeemable right wing conspiracy theorist, that
45:08
Speaker 3: the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association was completely wrong
45:13
Speaker 3: in its assumption that there are limits on federal power.
45:16
Speaker 3: The news broadcast was basically saying there are no real
45:19
Speaker 3: inherent limits on federal power at all, and who are
45:22
Speaker 3: sheriffs to say that there should be such limits? And
45:26
Speaker 3: so there was a lot of hypocrisy there, to say
45:29
Speaker 3: the least. So this is yet another salvo from the
45:32
Speaker 3: mass media cartel guys where they're trying to tell us
45:35
Speaker 3: what to watch, what not to watch, and saying that
45:37
Speaker 3: they're are saviors, that we need only look to them
45:40
Speaker 3: for guidance. But meanwhile, as this next slide shows, isn't
45:44
Speaker 3: it even more ironic that Scripts news is shutting down?
45:49
Speaker 3: It's twenty four to seven broadcast channel. That's the TV
45:52
Speaker 3: part that remains citing financial challenges, and that's the over
45:58
Speaker 3: the air broadcast channel. It's terrestrial, and there's a couple
46:01
Speaker 3: of hundred layoffs, et cetera, et cetera. And on the
46:05
Speaker 3: last slide it kind of drives the point all the
46:07
Speaker 3: way home. This is from an earlier presentation I did
46:10
Speaker 3: on UK column last fall. Meanwhile, Americans trust in the
46:14
Speaker 3: media in general remains at a trend low, and in fact,
46:18
Speaker 3: the media's trust the trust in the media got even
46:21
Speaker 3: lower than Congress. Now imagine what that would require to
46:24
Speaker 3: have less trust than Congress. So this is a good
46:29
Speaker 3: accent piece to usaid basically being another version of BBC
46:34
Speaker 3: Media Action and them claiming that state run media is
46:38
Speaker 3: a bad thing, when in fact we're finding out that
46:40
Speaker 3: many media are in fact state run, even though they
46:43
Speaker 3: claim not to be so. It's just further proof that
46:46
Speaker 3: people need news outlets like UK column to really create
46:50
Speaker 3: a new news ecosystem that's on the level. And it's
46:54
Speaker 3: good news in a broad sense because it's just so
46:58
Speaker 3: obvious that they're exposing themselves for the frauds that they are.
47:02
Speaker 1: Thank you, Mark. Well. Let's come back to the UK
47:05
Speaker 1: and back in twenty eighteen, the National Crime Agency began
47:10
Speaker 1: whining that the use of and encryption in online chat
47:13
Speaker 1: applications like WhatsApp and Telegram are causing them major limitations
47:17
Speaker 1: on intelligence gathering. And this kind of commentary has been
47:21
Speaker 1: rumbling on since then. So this is June last year
47:25
Speaker 1: with a declaration from EU police chiefs, including UK police chiefs,
47:30
Speaker 1: also complaining that they can't keep the public safe without
47:34
Speaker 1: the ability to break encryption and end encryption online. Well
47:39
Speaker 1: nearly three years ago, Apple began rolling out what they
47:42
Speaker 1: called Advanced Data Protection, which provides and encryption on data
47:47
Speaker 1: store on Apple's cloud platform iCloud. The functionality came to
47:51
Speaker 1: the UK finally about a year ago or so, but
47:54
Speaker 1: the UK government has decided that enough is enough, and
47:58
Speaker 1: according to the Washington Here, they have succeeded in getting
48:02
Speaker 1: a court order demanding that Apple give them access to
48:05
Speaker 1: data on iCloud stored there by British citizens. The issue,
48:09
Speaker 1: the Post says, is that cloud storage is the cloud
48:13
Speaker 1: storage is that only the user can and not Apple
48:17
Speaker 1: can unlock the data, and so if there are requests
48:19
Speaker 1: for access that data, Apple cannot provide it. So the
48:23
Speaker 1: Post reports that rather than break the security promises that
48:26
Speaker 1: Apple has made to its users, that Apple will probably
48:30
Speaker 1: just stop offering encrypted storage in the United Kingdom. In
48:34
Speaker 1: the meantime, though, OFCOM has now, of course, if we're
48:38
Speaker 1: worried about surveillance, which also is part of the censorship agenda,
48:42
Speaker 1: OFCOM has published its requirements under the Online Safety Act
48:46
Speaker 1: for anyone running an online forum, for example, for example,
48:50
Speaker 1: the UK's community website, or any platform that provides what
48:55
Speaker 1: they call a user to user service. And this is
48:58
Speaker 1: going to require anyone running such a platform to act
49:01
Speaker 1: as a government proxy for the censorship regime imposed by
49:05
Speaker 1: the Online Safety Act into that, and they've provided a
49:08
Speaker 1: handy tool for those in doubt to decide. I'll just
49:15
Speaker 1: scrub through here a couple of graphics. Sorry for the
49:18
Speaker 1: delay on this, while we get to the relevant thing.
49:22
Speaker 1: But basically what they're saying is that if you are
49:27
Speaker 1: in diet about whether they fall under the regime according
49:31
Speaker 1: to this tool, then this handy tool will help you
49:35
Speaker 1: work that out for yourself. So any organization, and that
49:38
Speaker 1: means commercial or voluntary, so it's not just applying to businesses.
49:42
Speaker 1: This applies to a club or society that's running an
49:44
Speaker 1: online forum for a special interest group or whatever, and
49:49
Speaker 1: it's a service where people can post comments or post
49:52
Speaker 1: their own content. They will have to comply with this
49:55
Speaker 1: with these rules, and the rules are that you have
49:59
Speaker 1: to carry out risk assessments for illegal content which may
50:04
Speaker 1: be posted on your platform, that you have safety duties
50:08
Speaker 1: on illegal content with respect to taking them down and
50:11
Speaker 1: so on, and you've got to maintain significant records for that.
50:17
Speaker 1: So this is going to put an unbearable administrative burden
50:20
Speaker 1: on small organizations, and I think the clear intent there
50:25
Speaker 1: is that those organizations become untenable.
50:28
Speaker 2: Or are managed by an AI service future sufficient.
50:33
Speaker 1: That won't be sufficient, because what they're talking about here
50:36
Speaker 1: is holding these organizations to accounts. So for example, UK
50:39
Speaker 1: column I or Brian or somebody could be held responsible
50:44
Speaker 1: for content that's on the community website. We could be
50:47
Speaker 1: facing a jail sentence.
50:48
Speaker 2: Or mothers against mothers against vaccines with children with autism. Precisely, yes,
50:54
Speaker 2: they'll they'll be. They'll have to be under this regime
50:56
Speaker 2: as well.
50:57
Speaker 1: Absolutely right. So offcom says that this only applies to
51:03
Speaker 1: social media platforms or online discussion forms where users can
51:07
Speaker 1: discuss things with other users. They say it doesn't apply
51:10
Speaker 1: to comments, sections and blogs or news articles for example.
51:13
Speaker 1: But even here it's vague. So as the Register this
51:15
Speaker 1: register article is pointing out, They asked offcom what happens
51:20
Speaker 1: when someone posts comments to a blog which are unrelated
51:22
Speaker 1: to the content of the blog. It's quite often that
51:25
Speaker 1: something appears that's completely off topic. So say you're writing
51:28
Speaker 1: about the Ukraine War and some of the posts something
51:31
Speaker 1: which is considered illegal content about immigration, for example. Ofcom said, well,
51:37
Speaker 1: content will be exempt if it comprises comments or reviews
51:40
Speaker 1: relating to provided provider content. The Act makes no mention
51:45
Speaker 1: of how closely connected the provider content to the provider
51:49
Speaker 1: comment content that the comment must be to benefit from
51:53
Speaker 1: this exemption. So in other words, they're not giving any
51:55
Speaker 1: guidance on this whatsoever. So they are as I say now, Wirring,
52:01
Speaker 1: you know, people that are running could even be people
52:04
Speaker 1: that are just simply bloggers to become proxies for government censorship.
52:09
Speaker 2: So you mean even if you have a public comments section, Yes,
52:13
Speaker 2: even though it's public, it's not private, it's not user
52:16
Speaker 2: to user.
52:17
Speaker 1: It's public because it's comments in the sense, but it's
52:20
Speaker 1: public facing, yes it is.
52:22
Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's just part of a conversation around an article. Right,
52:25
Speaker 2: That's how we look at it as normal, sane people
52:28
Speaker 2: who've actually been using the Internet for like thirty years. Right, Yes,
52:32
Speaker 2: that's how we look at it.
52:33
Speaker 1: That's right.
52:33
Speaker 2: But government doesn't look at it that way, do they.
52:35
Speaker 2: They look at public comments under an article is threatening,
52:38
Speaker 2: correct and must be policed. Son, any agent provocateur can
52:44
Speaker 2: come on and sabotage any article, any post. It could
52:49
Speaker 2: even be part of a government intelligence or influence op
52:52
Speaker 2: like paid for it by USAID as an example.
52:56
Speaker 1: They am here is to make sure that the people
52:59
Speaker 1: producing which might be viewed Askydra narrative or kyder what
53:03
Speaker 1: the government would like to see, are so tied up
53:06
Speaker 1: in maintaining a censorship and a moderation regime that they
53:10
Speaker 1: don't have time to write the bloom An article in
53:12
Speaker 1: the first place anymore. That is the main point.
53:14
Speaker 2: And they wonder why they're losing hearts and minds is
53:17
Speaker 2: because they're too busy doing Orwellian craziness instead of actually
53:22
Speaker 2: formulating policies that work and help people and improve people's
53:26
Speaker 2: day to day lives and lower the cost of living. Hello.
53:29
Speaker 1: Hello, Yes, hint, hint, hint exactly.
53:32
Speaker 2: No, No, we're going to censor you harder. We're going
53:34
Speaker 2: to make you moderate and sell police and do risk
53:37
Speaker 2: assessments on people commenting on blog posts. This is utterly ridiculous.
53:41
Speaker 1: It is more an extra Let's move on. I sec Patrick.
53:46
Speaker 2: Okay, well, look the backlash again. The Trump threatened that,
53:52
Speaker 2: so we'll go back. He said, Look, they if they
53:56
Speaker 2: do an arrest warrant on bb Nets and Yahu and
53:58
Speaker 2: Jov Gallant for war crimes, We're going to come after
54:02
Speaker 2: the International Criminal Court. We're going to sanction the ICC,
54:06
Speaker 2: so don't do it. And of course they kareem con
54:09
Speaker 2: they did indict nets in Yahoo and Yov Gallant and
54:12
Speaker 2: the United States have announced this week that they're sanctioning
54:15
Speaker 2: the ICC and individuals will be sanctioned as well. So
54:20
Speaker 2: what are they talking about bank accounts, debanking people? We're
54:23
Speaker 2: not sure. So there's been a huge backlash to this.
54:26
Speaker 2: And look at net Yaho's sitting there all smug. He's
54:30
Speaker 2: not looking well, by the way. That's another story. But anyway,
54:34
Speaker 2: so here is this is the coalition for the International
54:38
Speaker 2: Criminal Court and this is interesting. So this is basically
54:42
Speaker 2: a coalition of people opposing these sanctions. Now this is significant.
54:46
Speaker 2: This is not nothing. This is a lot of different
54:49
Speaker 2: groups here, and we'll scroll down and take a look
54:51
Speaker 2: at this, but this includes tons of international civil society organizations.
54:57
Speaker 2: We're talking about one hundred and forty different groups here.
55:00
Speaker 2: That comprises coalition of people to support the ICC. And
55:04
Speaker 2: this includes a lot of allies of the United States, Okay,
55:08
Speaker 2: and Britain and NATO, including people in NATO countries. So
55:13
Speaker 2: again we talked about the dismantling of the USAD and
55:16
Speaker 2: what a great tool that is for managing deep state operations.
55:20
Speaker 2: Intelligence agency sub diffused globally of getting people on side
55:25
Speaker 2: like Sweden and NATO, Finland and NATO membership. That was
55:29
Speaker 2: all done through these civil society organizations here. And just
55:33
Speaker 2: look at the amount of signatories that will scroll down
55:36
Speaker 2: and take a look at But this is not insignificant.
55:39
Speaker 2: The risk here is the United States are now losing
55:42
Speaker 2: by sanctioning your allies. This is a symptom of late
55:46
Speaker 2: stage empire. By sanction your enemies and your allies, then
55:52
Speaker 2: you start to lose influence on these networks. Has huge
55:57
Speaker 2: ramifications anyway, but you can go and check that out.
56:01
Speaker 2: We've got that up actually at twenty first centurywire dot
56:04
Speaker 2: com here. And so the biggest scathing rebuke has come
56:08
Speaker 2: from Amnesty International. And again this is highly interesting if
56:12
Speaker 2: we actually take a close look at it. Here and
56:15
Speaker 2: this is a statement made by their sort of secretary general,
56:19
Speaker 2: and she's saying this reckless action sends a message that
56:23
Speaker 2: Israel is above the law and universal principles of international justice.
56:28
Speaker 2: And it suggests that the President Trump endorses the Israeli
56:31
Speaker 2: government's crime and is embracing impunity. This is Agnes Kalamar.
56:36
Speaker 2: She's the secretary General of Amnesty International. But she goes
56:39
Speaker 2: on here, and this is the key bit. The United
56:41
Speaker 2: States is ready to punish an institution, could be any
56:45
Speaker 2: institution that ensures the individuals most responsible for committing atrocities
56:50
Speaker 2: cannot escape justice. No one responsible for the crimes under
56:54
Speaker 2: international law should be protected or aided in their attempt
56:57
Speaker 2: to escape individual accountability, at least with the assistance the
57:01
Speaker 2: United States government based on President Trump's political alliances. So
57:05
Speaker 2: what she's talking about here is this relationship between Israel
57:09
Speaker 2: and the United States. Now, she might be a globalist, okay,
57:12
Speaker 2: and so people will point out she's spoken at the
57:15
Speaker 2: Davos and World Economic Forum and so forth, But this
57:19
Speaker 2: is important. This is an international network that comprises of
57:22
Speaker 2: US allies, and the US uses Amnesty International to advance
57:26
Speaker 2: its imperial goals. It uses the ICC. The ic C
57:31
Speaker 2: is a tool of US hegemony, and will show that
57:34
Speaker 2: to you exactly how how they do that. But anyway,
57:37
Speaker 2: she's basically just condemning this attack and this is going
57:41
Speaker 2: to have a negative impact on the interests of the
57:43
Speaker 2: United States. She kind of explains this here. So this
57:46
Speaker 2: is really significant by the way they're they're using Trump
57:49
Speaker 2: as the as the hook to raise money now for
57:52
Speaker 2: international So you can see how how this the influence
57:56
Speaker 2: is kind of going out is the gift that keeps
57:58
Speaker 2: one It's incredible. It's literally leaving us hands. They used
58:02
Speaker 2: to have control of this organization So when I talk
58:04
Speaker 2: about this as a US tool, I'm just going to
58:07
Speaker 2: their cases.
58:08
Speaker 1: Here.
58:08
Speaker 2: This is the history of the ICC mic And if
58:11
Speaker 2: we just scroll down and take a look, tell me
58:13
Speaker 2: if you notice anything in particular on this. But these
58:17
Speaker 2: are all the basically people that the ICC at the
58:20
Speaker 2: behest of the United States government to prosecute for genocide.
58:24
Speaker 2: There's Bashir from Sudan for war crimes. And list goes on.
58:27
Speaker 2: Now you keep going and going, and you start noticing
58:30
Speaker 2: something here, Mike, like, do you notice anything about the people.
58:34
Speaker 2: There's no white fasiness. They're all African. They're all African,
58:38
Speaker 2: and they're all from countries that have an adversary relationship
58:41
Speaker 2: with the United States government. So although the US is
58:44
Speaker 2: not a signatory of the Room Statute, they use the
58:48
Speaker 2: ICC as an instrument of soft power or in this
58:52
Speaker 2: case hard power. Look, there's Sayef Kadafi, Momar Kadafi's son.
58:57
Speaker 2: He's implicated as well, again an enemy of the United States.
59:01
Speaker 2: So the list goes on. There is, however, in the
59:04
Speaker 2: spirit of DEI, Mike, someone did break the color barrier.
59:09
Speaker 2: Here is Joseph Coney. But look at this, Vladimir Putin
59:13
Speaker 2: got indicted back in just not so long ago, over
59:17
Speaker 2: a year ago, and in February twenty fourth, twenty twenty four,
59:22
Speaker 2: when the war started with Ukraine, then they began this
59:25
Speaker 2: process to nail Putin. So he is the first white person.
59:29
Speaker 2: Technically Ukrainians won't agree, he'll say he's Slavic, but anyway,
59:33
Speaker 2: he's the first. He's broken the glass ceiling of the
59:36
Speaker 2: color barrier at the ICC. So Putin is a trailblazer
59:41
Speaker 2: in the dei sense. So this is really important. So
59:45
Speaker 2: this now, just think about this because of the relationship
59:49
Speaker 2: with Israel. America. First, they're selling this as America first
59:53
Speaker 2: in America, this attack on the ICC. But you were
59:56
Speaker 2: watching the imperial decline. They're sanctioning their alli as well
1:00:00
Speaker 2: as their enemies, creating bad relations with their allies. They're
1:00:04
Speaker 2: pairing down the deep state at home and abroad with USAID.
1:00:09
Speaker 2: The loss of international influence, access to networks, big networks, NGO,
1:00:14
Speaker 2: civil society networks. They used to work through those networks
1:00:18
Speaker 2: to topple governments. Okay, loss of multilateral institution leverage the
1:00:23
Speaker 2: UN the WHO. The who is the biggest pharmaceutical sales
1:00:27
Speaker 2: and marketing organization in the world, and the US does
1:00:30
Speaker 2: not have any hand in it now because they've defunded it.
1:00:34
Speaker 2: The UN, the wto the ICC, these are all US
1:00:38
Speaker 2: instruments of imperialism. And this is what the Trump right
1:00:42
Speaker 2: or the MAGA wright haven't fully comprehended, or they have
1:00:45
Speaker 2: maybe they have, but institutions and NGOs are no longer
1:00:48
Speaker 2: cooperating with the US government as a result of some
1:00:52
Speaker 2: of these of their relationship with Israel. So all to
1:00:57
Speaker 2: protect this special relationship with Israel, the US is losing
1:01:01
Speaker 2: power and influence internationally, and that's I think the main
1:01:05
Speaker 2: point for people to look at.
1:01:09
Speaker 1: And one final point though, loss of access markets.
1:01:13
Speaker 2: This is huge mic loss of access to markets. So
1:01:16
Speaker 2: those markets that the US use these groups to open up,
1:01:20
Speaker 2: European businesses will enter those markets if it's all based
1:01:25
Speaker 2: on cooperation and influence, and so the US is going
1:01:28
Speaker 2: to have their work cut out for them.
1:01:30
Speaker 1: Yeah, and date mark let's just finish off then with
1:01:34
Speaker 1: US foreign policy. We're okay with the timeframe. Yes, good,
1:01:39
Speaker 1: let's just just do it mark out.
1:01:42
Speaker 3: Well, okay, I'll do the abbreviated version perhaps in the
1:01:46
Speaker 3: interest of time. One thing that I found was that
1:01:49
Speaker 3: back in nineteen eighty seven, Donald Trump, a younger Donald Trump,
1:01:53
Speaker 3: spent the better part of a million dollars on a
1:01:56
Speaker 3: full page ad in the New York Times, the Washington Post,
1:01:58
Speaker 3: and the Boston Globe. And we get a little bit
1:02:01
Speaker 3: of a taste of the earlier Donald Trump's foreign policy.
1:02:04
Speaker 3: Because a president elected for the second time, not consecutively, controversial,
1:02:11
Speaker 3: interesting things going on. Some of them look good, some
1:02:13
Speaker 3: of them very questionable. So let's look a little bit
1:02:16
Speaker 3: more ahead his past views. Right, So if we move on,
1:02:20
Speaker 3: I distilled what's in the ad and put it on here,
1:02:23
Speaker 3: and the main parts are in red. And he asked,
1:02:27
Speaker 3: why are these nations He's referring mainly to Saudi Arabia
1:02:32
Speaker 3: and Japan. Why are these nations not paying the United
1:02:34
Speaker 3: States for the human lives and billions of dollars we
1:02:37
Speaker 3: are losing to protect their interest. Remember this is nineteen
1:02:40
Speaker 3: eighty seven. Saudi Arabia, whose very existence is in the
1:02:45
Speaker 3: hands of the US, Trump wrote, refused to allow us
1:02:47
Speaker 3: to use their mind sweepers. The world is laughing at
1:02:50
Speaker 3: America's politicians as we protect ships we don't own, carrying
1:02:54
Speaker 3: oil we don't need destined for allies who won't help.
1:02:58
Speaker 3: Over the years, the Japanese, unimpeded by the huge cost
1:03:01
Speaker 3: of defending themselves, as long as the US does it
1:03:04
Speaker 3: for free, have built a strong and vibrant economy.
1:03:07
Speaker 1: Let's move on.
1:03:10
Speaker 3: And I'll hit a little bit more of just the highlights. Basically,
1:03:14
Speaker 3: he's saying, make Japan, Saudi Arabia and others pay for
1:03:18
Speaker 3: the protection we extend as allies. And he wants to
1:03:22
Speaker 3: help US farmers, he says, back then, sick people, homeless,
1:03:25
Speaker 3: and so on. Tax these wealthy nations, not America, and
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Speaker 3: our huge deficits not a bad thing. Reduce our taxes
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Speaker 3: who wouldn't want that, and let America's economy grow unencumbered
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Speaker 3: by the cost of defending those who can easily afford
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Speaker 3: to pay us for the defense of their freedom. Now
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Speaker 3: a lot of that sounds good to most people, but
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Speaker 3: what he's basically saying is okay if he wants to
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Speaker 3: enact the Monroe Doctrine again and focus mostly on the
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Speaker 3: Western hemisphere, as the think tanks are saying, and he
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Speaker 3: doesn't want as much meddling and foreign entanglement. You're not
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Speaker 3: really getting rid of foreign entanglements if you're asking to
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Speaker 3: get paid to protect these nations, So he's not saying
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Speaker 3: Japan should pay for its own defense. Saudi Arabia should
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Speaker 3: pay for its own defense and carry that out themselves.
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Speaker 3: Even back then he was saying, as long as we
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Speaker 3: get paid, we can continue to be entangled with these
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Speaker 3: countries and defend them. So it's simply a transactional thing.
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Speaker 3: Pay us some money and we'll defend you. Again, George
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Speaker 3: Washington would have said these countries should defend their own
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Speaker 3: and pay for it themselves. So it's not exactly the
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Speaker 3: founder's view there. It's a different species of foreign policy.
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Speaker 3: People can make of it what they will, and the
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Speaker 3: Thing Tanks this is from Foreign Affairs, of course, the
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Speaker 3: August Journal of the Council on Foreign Relations, The Price
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Speaker 3: of Trump's Power politics. They're saying that if Trump retreats
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Speaker 3: to the Western hemisphere under a Monroe doctrineish kind of thing,
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Speaker 3: that China and Russia will become more emboldened, and of
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Speaker 3: course that could include China making stronger moves toward Taiwan.
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Speaker 3: Perhaps that's kind of my addition to what they had
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Speaker 3: to say there. And then you'll notice the finality of
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Speaker 3: what the Thing Tanks are saying here and in this quote,
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Speaker 3: ev Al Dhalder is president of the Chicago Council on
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Speaker 3: Global Affairs and James Lindsey is a CFI fellow. They
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Speaker 3: wrote an article together very recently in Foreign Affairs thirty January.
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Speaker 3: They're saying, literally under Trump, Pax Americana is gone. You'll
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Speaker 3: notice the finality born with a Japanese attack on you
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Speaker 3: on the Pearl Harbor in forty one. The US led
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Speaker 3: international rules based order, they're saying, has literally died with
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Speaker 3: the second inauguration of Donald Trump and the post global order,
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Speaker 3: the post war global order is is not just obsolete.
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Speaker 3: Excuse me, let me rephrase that the post war global
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Speaker 3: order is not just obsolete, a Secretary of State Rubio
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Speaker 3: declared in his Senate confirmation hearing, it is now a
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Speaker 3: U and being used against US. So the think tanks
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Speaker 3: don't think too well of Trump. They see a lot
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Speaker 3: of disruption to their agenda. And this last item just
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Speaker 3: mentions Rubio's first trip as Secretary of State officially was
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Speaker 3: to the Panama Canal, and sure enough they're wheeling and
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Speaker 3: dealing there, and he's basically saying that the cooperation with
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Speaker 3: China by the Panamanian officials and the Panama Canal management.
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Speaker 3: If they don't change that relationship with China, China reportedly
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Speaker 3: controlling both of the main ports, then the US will
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Speaker 3: throw its weight around a little bit more and basically
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Speaker 3: called the Panama Canal Treaty null and void, and the
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Speaker 3: US would move in to control the ports and probably
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Speaker 3: the overall canal that it did build. So they are
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Speaker 3: following through on the Panama Canal. I don't think they'll
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Speaker 3: use military force. They're trying to use as much diplomatic
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Speaker 3: leverage as they can, and I think that's sufficient for now.
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Speaker 3: Mike on how the think tank world sees Trump again,
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Speaker 3: not too favorably. They're trying to sort it out. But
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Speaker 3: Trump turns out to be an enigma in many ways,
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Speaker 3: but his foreign policy makes some sense. But there's still
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Speaker 3: a lot to sort out. And the think tanks are
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Speaker 3: kind of in a tail spin right now, seeing their
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Speaker 3: global world order under siege as they see it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you, Mark, thank you for that. We'll have
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Speaker 1: to leave further conversation on that to the extra but
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Speaker 1: I'll just make the point. Of course, Panama has said
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Speaker 1: that they are withdrawing from the Belton Road, so that's
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Speaker 1: making some moves towards appeasement of Trump's position on this,
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Speaker 1: but we'll talk about more about that and Extra in
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Speaker 1: a couple of minutes. Thank you very much to Patrick
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Speaker 1: and Mark for joining us today and everybody that's been watching.
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