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What's A Met Gala? | Mast Cast Ep. 13 · Kenny Wallace Media

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Dad, what's that George Strait song?
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Is it? Does Fort Worth ever cross your
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mind? Remember that one?
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I do, yeah. I was thinking about that.
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I don't know. I was just thinking about that
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watching the race this weekend down in Texas and I guess it's
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is Texas more Fort Fort Worth than it is Dallas, TX.
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Most people right in the middle, right?
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Well text the race tracks like due north of of Fort Worth.
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So you leave a racetrack and go South to Fort Worth when you
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hang a lift, go go EA little bit to Dallas, right.
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Speaking of George Strait, he was at where was he at Clemson
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this week. Your sister went down to that
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said that 90,000 frigging people watching George Strait.
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That's ridiculous. 90,000 people.
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And the prices weren't cheap either.
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I don't know how they how they get so much freeze tickets.
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But anyhow, that's that's country music.
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That's a country music deal. Yeah, well, it's ridiculous in a
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good way. He's the king.
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It's great. He is, he is.
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And he played a Whalen song. He always plays Whalen man.
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He always has to do Whalen. He he always has to do.
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It's he's got the guy has like, I don't know, 150 number one
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hits and that's just number one hits.
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And then he's probably got another 150 hits that weren't
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number one but were hits. And but when he goes out there
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and plays live, he's got to do at least four or five cover
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songs. He plays a Whalen song.
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He plays usually plays a Johnny Cash.
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He's been playing a Tom Petty song a lot the last couple
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years. Think he's I think George has
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kind of got it figured out to where he just wants to work a
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few days a year, still get to play some music live.
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And he does it in places where he can play in front of as many
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people as possible. And he just plays what he wants
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to play. That's that's yeah, that's he's
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got to figure it out. More power to him, man.
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Let's take you just living the retired life that, you know,
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just doing what he wants to do. Yeah, Exactly.
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Anyways, I was thinking about that song this weekend.
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So I was thinking about the first time we went in Texas.
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And I remember standing out there, and I feel like if there
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was one place, because everything's pretty flat, I felt
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like if you looked far enough in One Direction outside the
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racetrack, you could see Fort Worth.
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And if you looked far enough in the other direction, you could
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see Dallas. And I don't know, I could just
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be completely making that up, probably.
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And. But in my mind, that's what it's
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like. Well, hey, it was exciting.
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I thought it was a good weekend of racing.
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Well, bias Chase is one of my my guys I root for.
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Of course, as I've said before, I got a lot of drivers.
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I got a lot more drivers that I root for than ones that I don't
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particularly root for at this point, which is which is good as
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a fan, but I was happy to see chase pull out the win lot of
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besides Chase, of course, Chase and Danny running one and two
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let's you know, you love seeing guys like that battle it out for
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the win. There was a lot of battling
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going on throughout the rest of the field too, which we we can
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get into that as well. But just for your initial
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thoughts on the weekend and the race at Texas.
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Yeah, it was good. They had NASCAR hit a home run
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again. You know, they had just a good
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weekend, good exciting racing all weekend.
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I mean, it was all good. And you know, with the 9 car,
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man, I think we need to talk about the nine car a little bit.
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I don't know. You know, it's been pretty
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evident that the Toyotas have kind of bring the class of the
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field this year, right? But the two races and and the
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Chevrolet's talk about the new car and they don't quite have
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the balance figured out the arrow deal.
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But man, the two races that that nine car Chase held is 1.
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Both of those races, Denny Hamlin's been kind of dominant.
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We're going back to Martinsville, then we go back to
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Texas this or Sunday. And you know, even Hamlin then
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he said after the race at Texas that his car was perfect.
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I mean, he, he, he couldn't have asked his car to do anything
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more than it was doing, right? And you don't hear, you don't
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hear race car drivers saying it too often.
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But normally they're like, well, just a little scoot tight here,
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a little loose or something. But he said it was perfect.
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And, and he couldn't do anything with the 9 car.
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In fact, the 9 car actually drove off just a little bit,
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right. And the same kind of thing
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happened to Martinsville. You know, Elliot got the lead,
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you the like what, 50 or 60 laps to go and just kind of held pace
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ahead of Denny. So, you know, it's interesting
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to me because you, you watch the 9 car and you know, they're,
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they're managing the, it seems like they do a real good job
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managing the race, whether it's chase driving with his tires and
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the feedback or gusts and making the calls to make a little
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adjustment that seems to make it work.
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I mean, they they've they've really impressed me with kind of
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the way they do their thing right now, you know, and you
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know, if remember I'm watching that nine car at Martinsville
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and at Texas leading and taking the checkered flag.
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It kind of brought back, you call it old memories.
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Heck, it wasn't that long ago right before they came out.
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The new car, the new car kind of kind of messed those guys up for
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a while. But it's just it's interesting
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to me to watch how they manage the race, you know, and keep
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making that thing better. And I'm going to tell you, man,
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when that car is good at the end of these races, there's nobody
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better than Chase Elliott. And you know, it's just the way
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it is. And I'm not sure that that's
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getting talked about enough about right now.
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The only thing we hear about is the Chevy's got a little
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disadvantage. Well, they've hit it a couple
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times, right, Even better than any of the other Hendrick cars.
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So Pearson to see going forward. But anyhow, fans, just watch
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that. I'm telling you.
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I'm telling you fans just pick you out a car.
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It doesn't matter who it is, but the nine car is a good one to
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pick out. Just watch where he qualifies.
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Watch the race start. You'll see him back there in the
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top 10 somewhere. You watch him on restarts, he'll
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lose two or three spots any games and back, you know, and if
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you just watch those guys, they they make a slow progression all
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through the race. I mean, they're they're doing a
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real good job of that, better than probably better than all
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the other teams right now from where they start to where they
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end up, right. And so I don't know, just a neat
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thing to follow, but that it was a good it was a good victory.
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It was a good win for those guys.
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And like I say, Hamlin said, man, my car was good.
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It was the best. I don't know what else I could
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have asked for from it, right? But the racing was just good all
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weekend. I mean, it was good racing, just
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good. And the stands, man, all the
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fans in the stands, right? I don't know, man, it's all
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going good. It's all, you know, It seems to
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be the electric atmosphere we talk about, you know, then just
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everything's going good right now, seems like.
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Yeah, yeah, I agree with you. I thought the crowd was good.
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Of course there's you get on social media and then there's
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there's folks that are they're never, you know, if you're
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always going to be comparing crowds now to what it was 2530
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years ago, maybe not even that long ago, honestly 20 years ago.
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And that's that's just tough to to do that just because I just,
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I don't know that I don't know, maybe I'm wrong about this.
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I don't know that trying to constantly reach the crowd
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levels of 20 to 25 years ago is. Realistic, you know, we'll never
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do that, Ricky. That'll never happen again.
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It was a, it was a combination of a perfect storm of a lot of
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things that went on, you know, for 10 or 200 or 12 years that
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made that, that made that thing explode the way it did.
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And, and, and I, I just don't see those kinds of things coming
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together again to make that happen.
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And it's all, it's not just racing, it's all sports worlds,
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you know what I mean? We're all hell.
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Everybody's got 8 foot TV's now. It's a lot easier to step back
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in the couch watching an 8 foot TV that it is fight traffic to
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watch a ball game or race or whatever, but nothing like the
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excitement of being at a race and.
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Yeah, you know, that is that is the one thing, ball game, race,
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whatever, it's still it is. The home experience is a lot
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better than what it was back in the day, but the in person
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experience, nothing still beats that.
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So it's good to say. I thought it was a good crowd.
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I thought I've, I've been on the fence a couple of times in
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recent years since they, they reconfigured Texas.
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You know, they made your term 1 and 2.
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Looks like it's about 18 lanes wide to me now.
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But something about this Sunday, I was like, man, it just it the
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race and I just, I felt felt like you, well, like you said,
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it was just really good racing. I, I enjoyed it, enjoyed it a
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lot. I've started looking a little
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bit at point standings, you know, and now we talked about
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this early on in the season with mass cast and I talked about
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how, you know, when do you really start looking at point
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stands and it's point standings. And this is the week I finally
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found myself really starting to look at it a little bit.
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And I I it to me, you got Reddick up up top, obviously
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Denny in second, Chase in 3rd, Ryan Blaney in fourth.
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Now this is where it gets interesting to me. 5th, 6th and
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7th You want to take a guess any order?
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5th, 6th and 7th in the points. Again, the top 4 right now,
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Reddick, Hamlin, Chase, Ryan, Blaney, 5-6 and seven take you a
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guess at what what, what are in those three.
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I really I don't. I don't have a clue who are they
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all? Right.
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Well, 7th is Ty Gibbs, 6th is Carson Hosavar and 5th is Chris
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Buscher. And I thought that was, I
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thought that was a pretty, pretty good and actually
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Keselowski is in 9th. So a couple RFK cars in the top
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ten there, which is which is pretty cool, but I don't know.
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I just thought I was looking through this list and I thought
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there's Toyota, there's there's Ford, there's Chevy, there's
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different, there's a few different teams.
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You got 2311, Gibbs, Hendrick, Penske, RFK, Spire, all in the
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top ten. I don't know.
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I just felt I was looking at those like that's a pretty good,
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good balance list there. You know, it's, it's, it's good
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to see, I feel like. Yeah.
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And I'll tell you this, you said that about looking at the points
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when back in the day we were racing, when you left Daytona,
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wherever you finished, that's where you were in the points,
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right? And it mattered.
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You, you, you left Daytona, you know, you were at where you were
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at in the points. And it mattered about your point
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situation the very first race of the year because that was
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something you had to do every single week to get to the end of
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the season, to try to, you know, be up where you wanted to be.
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And then with the with the stuff they did over the last few
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years, all that went away. But now that that feeling's back
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a little bit, these guys are paying attention to that, Yeah.
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Yeah, now it's good to say, well, let's get to the the drama
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we got. We had some drama as we usually
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do in the NASCAR Cup Series. We had Kyle Busch and John
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Henneman Nemechek getting into it.
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And then we also had Ryan Priest and Ty Gibbs getting into it.
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And then just before, just before you and I sat down to
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record this evening, I'll go ahead and read through it for
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the folks that maybe hadn't heard about it yet.
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But we had some penalties laid down or a penalty laid down, I
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should say, for Ryan Priest. Let's see, he got he got docked
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25 points and fined 50 grand for wrecking Ty Gibbs.
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To my knowledge, I don't believe Kyle Busch got anything for his
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deal. So here's an let's see, here's
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an explanation. Where did I see an explanation
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here on X? Basically, I'll summarize a
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little bit. Basically, I think what what
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probably got priests most in trouble was he said on the radio
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what he was going to do. He was he was mad and more or
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less said, I'm, I'm this is what I'm going to do.
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I'm going to take care of him. And he did.
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And when you got that evidence, it's like when, when, when Denny
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got penalized for, for kind of talking about the incident,
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whatever that whenever that was on his podcast after.
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It's like, well, if you said you did it, it's kind of or you're
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going to say you're going to do it and you do, it's kind of hard
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to argue against that. And then they've got SMT data
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and all this and it says, well, you could argue Kyle didn't mean
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to do it. And rind it, whatever, but I
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think that's the biggest thing. If they got audio or video of
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you say it, I'm going to do this or video or audio of you saying,
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yeah, I did that. And it's kind of hard to kind of
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hard to fight against that. But what are your thoughts on
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those two incidents? Yeah, but like I said, I just
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read that right before we started doing this podcast,
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right? So my initial knee jerk reaction
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is, damn, I didn't have that. I didn't see that coming with
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priests. I, I, I and I'll be honest with
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you, Ricky, I don't, you know, hearing NASCAR's explanation, I
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get it, But I man, I don't agree.
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I don't agree with it. I don't go along with it.
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I just, you know, my initial knee jerk reaction is I do not
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probably agree with penalizing him.
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I, you know, you say things that he at the moment you do that,
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but then when you carry it out, yeah, I mean, I NASCAR's got the
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perfect answer to that, righty. He said what he said he's going
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to do and he said he's going to do it, then he did it.
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So we have to react to that, right.
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So the point of all this is keep your fragging mouth shut,
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drivers, you know what I mean? Just keep your fragging mouth
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shut and then deny, then deny it afterwards, right?
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You know, it, it's, it's just, it's, it's, it's a stark
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comparison between really, I mean, you, you, you penalize
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him, Priest, but they didn't penalize Kyle Bush.
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And you know, in in reading that what you were reading, I read
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that a little bit and he said, well, the data shows his will
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was turned all the way to the left, right.
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Kyle Busch's when he got into him.
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Well, I can tell you how you make that happen, right?
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But but but man, everybody thought he was going to he was
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going to be Kyle Busch find and penalized and all that.
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And they didn't touch him, right, But they did Priest.
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So I don't know. I, if it was me, I wouldn't
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penalize either one of them. That would that would have been
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my take if I sat on the hierarchy board of NASCAR, you
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know, even though Priest said what he's going to do and he did
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it. I mean, it was so it was so far
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after that, you know, and you, you could look at it and yet you
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can look at it as a judgement when he did, when he did wreck
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the guy. You can look at it like, well,
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yeah, I don't know if that was really intentional or not.
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You know, intentional is Matt Kenseth with Logano at
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Martinsville. Everybody knows that was
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intense. You look at that and you there's
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no doubt in your mind that was intentional, right?
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In these deals that happened, these deals.
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And and if you look at Bush's deal, you pretty much I'm not
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sure that was intentional. OK.
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But the priest deal, man, you could give 5050, right?
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And even with the data explanation from NASCAR, you
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could you could make the point Kyle Bush, you know, turned it
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left, maybe got damaged when they hit they had damage and he
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couldn't get it turned right. So I don't know.
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I just I just I don't know. I just don't I don't I don't go
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along with that one and I just didn't see it coming.
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But you know, it is what it is. And again, the case in point,
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drivers, keep your damn mouth shut.
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If you're going to wreck somebody, don't talk about it.
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And then after you do it don't when you after you do it
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tonight, just a night to the hill, right.
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So the only chance you got the chase did that some word.
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He he he wrecked somebody. Then he denied it.
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But they they suspended him, didn't he?
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Right. Yeah, well, that he hooked Denny
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in the in the dog leg. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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That was it. One of the one of the trio of
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dog leg tracks. We got it there.
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Yeah. And that was.
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Yeah, I'm. Well, first of all, I'm with
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you. I don't think either one of them
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should have been docked or or fined or any of that.
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They can think fine, but I don't think either one of them should
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have lost points for it. So.
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And it does, even though like there's they got the audio
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priest. I, I am with you.
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Like it. It just it gets a little bit
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more magnified because you had two incidents and, and I'm with
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you. I think Kyle Busch's was
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intentional as well. So it just looks bad when you
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have one going. The other I keep thinking of
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this is like, you know, baseball's obviously my my
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favorite, my my first love of sports.
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And it's like when, when you know, you guys have the Chrome
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horn and there's the old school like conduct or things you do to
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like, you know, take care of it. Yeah, retaliate, whatever, take
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care of it. In baseball, you, you drill a
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guy, you know, the pitcher hits a guy for whatever, for
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retaliation or for whatever reason, Even if everybody in the
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ballpark knows it was an it was on purpose after after the game
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that you get a microphone that manager the the pitcher's face
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and say not by he wouldn't try. He's not trying to hit him
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there. Ball slipped out of his hands.
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I mean, he's, you know, he's trying to go trying to go inside
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on him. Ball slipped out of his hands.
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I mean, what would he why would he try to go out?
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Why would he try to hit him there?
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And you know, most of the time everybody can know is it's he
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meant he meant to hit him, he meant to do it.
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Yeah, but you can't come out. But you can't come out after the
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game say, Oh yeah, I meant to hit him.
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He had it coming. They hit my guy.
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So I drilled him right in the back.
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You can't say that because then you get suspended and you lose 5
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games worth of pay, which in in baseball is a whole lot of pay
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regardless of what level you get.
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So yeah, for us as fans and wanting entertainment, it'd be
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great if they could say exactly what they did and why they did
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it and how they feel about it, but you just can't do it.
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No, no, you can't. I mean you, you, you get
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yourself in trouble, you know, What the hell are you?
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Did you ever, at the cup level, did you ever retaliate against
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somebody, get somebody back? I don't remember you ever
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getting in any skirmishes like that.
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You know what learned really learned coming up as a teenager
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on dirt truck and local short tracks started to deny Outlaws
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and then the years of running the Bush Series.
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You really learned that craft or that art of racing, clean
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racing, dirty racing and fighting.
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And it's like Schrader always said, man, when these things
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happen after the race, you're going to go after somebody.
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It's it's a whole lot easier on everybody if you just sit down
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and have a beer and talk about it instead of fighting about it.
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But but yeah, those things happen sometimes in my career.
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It was a you had to mark your territory a little bit.
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You know, in those days when you, when you made a move up, I
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mean, running the local tracks and you moved up from hobby to
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the next division or whatever, you, you, you always had to mark
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your territory. You couldn't let anybody take
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advantage of you, you know, and you had to do it quick.
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You had to do it real early when you moved up that rank, right?
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And because if you didn't, man, you're a marked man, you're a
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marked racer, you're going to get taken advantage of you.
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So you had to, you had to do that.
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And, and along with that came some issues at, at some, at some
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point, right, at sometimes. And you just had to handle those
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issues. You had to take care of them.
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And you know, you learn from these guys, right?
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And then as you go progress and go through the different stages
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right on up the cup, you learn from everybody each step you
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take. And then once you get
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established, then you, you're the teacher, right?
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And when you're the teacher, sometimes you know the student
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doesn't understand what he's being taught and you have to go
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the extra mile to make him understand what you're trying to
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teach the guy. And some guys, well, most
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everybody always gets it right. They always get it.
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But I can count on one hand the the retaliations that I've done
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for just flat bad racing or aggravate.
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And the other thing that happens, you get aggravated
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sometimes. Sometimes you just it's hot,
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you're tired, you're pissed off, your car's not doing this.
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You had a shot and something went wrong and somebody's trying
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to take advantage of you. And you're not going to you're
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not going to let that happen, right?
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You're going, you're going to protect your territory.
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And you know, it's always been that way.
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It was that that's the way I was brought up, man, as a teenager.
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That's the way I watched it. That's the way I was taught.
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That's the way I did the teaching.
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That's the way it happened. And again, it made, it made for
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quite a few uneasy situations, let's put it that way, right?
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And you just had you learned through the years how to work
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through those situations with another competitor or another
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competitor's crew or another competitor's family, OK, You
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just, you had to learn how to do all those things.
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And again, you had to protect your territory just like a,
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you're just like a, you're just like a dog, man protecting your
19:51
territory. I mean, really, when you're a
19:53
Cup driver, Ricky, you're you're what?
19:54
How many drivers? What's your starting field
19:57
nowadays? 36, Is that what it is?
19:59
Yeah, they'll call it 30. 6. And our day was 43.
20:02
So basically me, Rick Mast, I was there full time 12 years,
20:07
and I was one of 43 people every Sunday doing something that
20:10
literally 10s of thousands of people would give anything to be
20:14
a part of, right? To be a part of that.
20:16
So consequently or, or if the consequences of that is a lot of
20:20
things go into protecting your territory right on the
20:24
racetrack, off the racetrack politically, just a lot of
20:27
things, lot of things goes on with being a Cup driver, or at
20:31
least it was when I came through.
20:33
And I'm sure a lot of it still still holds true today.
20:37
A lot of people you got to answer to a lot of people that
20:40
you can't you can't you can't do wrong things with.
20:43
And to make it all work, you know, so and and and their own
20:47
track thing. Yeah, that's part of it, right.
20:50
And that goes into like our boy Hosavar.
20:53
What in the hell? What in the hell is a Met Gala?
20:56
What what? What is a Met I?
20:57
Never heard. A Met Gala I guess Jeff Gordon
21:00
did it years ago and now here's Hosavar doing a Met Gala.
21:04
What is that Ricky? Explain.
21:06
I wrote about it and still didn't fully understand it.
21:08
Well, first of all, I don't even know.
21:10
This is how little I know about these kinds of things.
21:12
I don't still don't even know if it's properly pronounced gala or
21:16
gala kind of like data or data. I still don't know which is
21:19
right. No, no, no, you might be right.
21:20
I have no idea that's what I'm saying.
21:21
I don't know probably about gala.
21:23
It probably is gala. I mean I've heard it both ways.
21:25
I don't know. So I say all that because that
21:28
shows you how much I know about it.
21:29
If it's gala or gala, I don't even know that part right.
21:32
So here's what I do know. I work in social media.
21:35
So every year, whenever they have the gala or the gala, I
21:38
start seeing all these videos and pictures of all these famous
21:41
people wearing goofy outfits going into I guess it's the Met
21:45
in New York Metropolitan. I was getting ready to say the
21:49
full name of the museum. And I don't even know that.
21:52
So but I see them all going in these goofy outfits for this big
21:55
fancy schmancy deal, something that you and me and a lot of
21:59
people we know probably would have no clue what we were, what
22:01
to do there, why we're there. But I saw Hosovar was there and
22:05
you know what, from what little I saw, it seemed like he was
22:07
having a good time and being himself and just take it in
22:11
stride. And I'll, I'll say this, I saw
22:14
people on both sides of it online, just just, I mean, the,
22:20
the, the overreaction to this on either direction was like, some
22:24
people were like, this is the greatest thing ever.
22:27
This is what we need. This is, this is huge, this is
22:31
huge. And there's other people sitting
22:34
there going what in the this is the worst thing I've ever seen.
22:37
And I'm like, I don't know, guys, to me, it's just like a a
22:40
rising star NASCAR got put in a event that maybe you wouldn't
22:44
usually see a NASCAR driver. He had fun with it.
22:48
And as he said, he's back racing his dirt late model.
22:51
I think tomorrow night, like, I don't know, I didn't the
22:55
overreaction to it either way was was pretty wild out there, I
22:58
thought. But to answer your question, I
23:00
have no idea. I really still don't really even
23:02
know what it is. I just know it's a thing that
23:03
exists. Yeah, well, it tells you they
23:08
got something that they got something to work for that guy,
23:10
right? We got we've got we've got
23:13
whether it be Spire Motorsports or NASCAR, They're they're
23:17
they've jumped on the coast and host of our bandwagon man right
23:21
to send him to the Met Gala or whatever the hell that thing is.
23:25
And I'm just saying that because of the the I'm just saying that
23:28
because of the I saw two or three interviews, it was it was
23:32
done with him. Entertainment Tonight and
23:34
different things, right, that other people had copied.
23:36
And I'm like, all right, we're going to try to do some stuff
23:39
with this guy. He's going to be our next
23:41
superstar. We'll see how this goes.
23:43
So hopefully it works out. Man, He's real.
23:47
He's real. You got to give.
23:48
You got to give him credit. The boy's real.
23:50
Well, that's what I was going to say.
23:51
I think that's what makes it work regardless of the
23:54
situation. I think they feel comfortable
23:57
putting him in situations like that because they think because
24:00
he's comfortable, he seems to me like he's pretty comfortable in
24:02
his own skin, no matter what situation you're putting him in
24:05
and that he's just going to kind of have fun with it.
24:08
And I think that's what you, that's what you need.
24:11
That that's where I would now that is, well, if we're going to
24:14
get deep into the analysis of him being at this thing, that
24:17
that's where I would go with it is like, I think that's a, it's
24:19
a it's a good thing. They feel like they got a guy
24:22
they can put in situations that are not normal for a NASCAR
24:26
driver, right. So I don't, I don't think that's
24:28
a bad thing. I also don't think it's like, Oh
24:30
my God, this is the greatest thing that's ever happened.
24:32
I don't think it's Oh my God, this is the worst thing that's
24:34
ever happened. I just thought to me, I thought,
24:37
alright, well, that's cool. And then I'm also looking at
24:39
these outfits that the celebs are wearing.
24:41
I'm just like I don't every year this thing shows up and it's
24:45
just I don't know that I just don't think I was meant to.
24:50
I don't think I'm I don't think I'm refined enough or
24:54
highfalutin enough to a even understand what this what this
25:00
deal is and B ever even be be a part of it or invited to it.
25:04
So Carson was like the most normal looking dress guy.
25:08
That's all of the few things I saw.
25:10
So I don't know. I don't know what that was.
25:13
I don't know. Hey, I'll circle back to
25:15
something. No, it's gonna be, it's gonna be
25:17
interesting. It's going to be interesting.
25:19
I I wanted to circle back real quick.
25:20
You were talking about marking your territory in Texas and or
25:24
as a driver going back to the Texas thing.
25:27
I kept thinking about when you're saying this, this is a
25:29
little bit of an extreme or barbaric example of it, but
25:32
protecting your territory, right.
25:34
I was thinking about there's an episode of Sopranos, one of my
25:38
favorite shows ever, where Tony is coming back.
25:42
You know, he's the he's the he's the boss.
25:44
He gets shot, almost dies, recovers, and that's his first
25:48
day, first day back at work as the mob boss, which, you know,
25:52
their office was upstairs at the bottom being the strip club.
25:54
And that's where they would, you know, hang out or whatever.
25:56
But it's Tony's first day back and he's still moving pretty
26:00
slow and in a lot of pain and, and whatever.
26:03
And there's something happens where he's looking around the
26:05
room and he realizes that his crew can detect a little bit of
26:11
weakness in him. And he knows that that's a
26:15
problem. If you're a mob boss and the
26:17
anybody around you suspects weakness, that's a big, big
26:21
problem. And so he picks out like the the
26:24
low guy on the totem pole in the room.
26:26
He's like this big bodybuilder guy.
26:27
He's like a security guy or something, much younger, in the
26:31
best shape by far of any of these guys, big muscles and
26:33
everything. And Tony just picks him out and
26:37
picks up and makes up a reason to be mad at the guy and just
26:41
beats ever 11 crap out of him in front of everybody.
26:44
And he did it just as a sign of protecting his territory to
26:50
like, this is mine and nobody else can take this from me.
26:53
And I'm still I'm I may have been shot, I may have almost
26:55
died. I can barely walk, but I still
26:57
got just enough in me to beat up the the toughest guy in the
27:01
room. And that's kind of what I was
27:03
thinking about when you're talking about protecting your
27:04
territories. Like you got a zillion people
27:06
that want your gig and you'll do just about anything you want.
27:09
Yeah, you have to do to protect it.
27:11
So I don't know. I just thought that was like a I
27:15
I just that that that was the first comparison that popped in
27:18
my head. Did you do anything to protect?
27:19
You got one of the 40 spots in the world that people want, and
27:22
you'll do just about anything to protect it.
27:25
Maybe it's an extreme example, I don't know.
27:27
Yeah. That's a little extreme.
27:30
Bring the Godfather in. Yeah, that's that's that's a
27:33
little extreme. But the, the the premise is the
27:35
same. The thought process is the same.
27:37
It's the same deal, you know? Yeah.
27:40
You don't pick out the biggest baddest dude in and and and try
27:44
to whip him because it don't work like that sometimes in real
27:47
life you. Know that's true.
27:51
Well, I wanted to talk before we before we skid at all.
27:54
I definitely wanted to talk about Watkins Glen because
27:56
that's coming up this week, which my old brain is still
27:59
programmed to every August we go to Watkins Glen.
28:01
But obviously things have changed a lot since back in the
28:04
day. But a couple of things with
28:07
Watkins Glen I wanted to touch on with you.
28:10
I want to talk about your wreck there in 93 and just Watkins
28:15
Glen memories in in general 'cause I, I feel like for you,
28:18
other than Rd. Atlanta in the old Bush series,
28:22
now the O'Reilly series in the 80s, I think y'all ran there
28:24
twice maybe in the 80s. Other than that, when you showed
28:28
up in the Cup series full time, Sears Point, Watkins Glen, like
28:32
is Rd. Atlanta twice in the Bush
28:33
series, The only times you'd ever run a road course up to
28:35
that point or just once? You only ran Road to Atlanta
28:40
once. OK, I didn't realize that.
28:44
So what was that like for you though?
28:46
You especially, you've been at that point, what, almost 20
28:49
years running ovals and then you're in the Cup series and you
28:53
show up twice a year, Sears Point, Watkins Glen, running the
28:55
road course. What was that like for you?
28:58
Well, you had to really. I tried to put myself in it,
29:01
man. I tried to really get good at
29:04
trying to figure it out or trying to figure it out.
29:06
We, the first time we went to Watkins Glen was a school and I
29:12
guess that's right. And then we were up there on the
29:15
on watch Hill, Rhode Island. The big week long vacation at
29:19
school used to do with all the drivers.
29:21
Then a while we were close to or not close, but we were pretty
29:24
close. So that the team brought a car
29:26
up there and we left the middle of the week and went over to
29:29
Watkins Glen and, and did some practicing and Harry went with
29:32
me. Harry Gant, 'cause he's, you
29:34
know, he's on our team or for the school deal.
29:37
I never forget. Harry took a piece of notebook
29:39
paper and drew a map of the racetrack and showed it to me,
29:44
right? He said, all right, Rick, here
29:45
it is, here's the racetrack. And he said turn one, turn 2,
29:49
turn 3, all that. Dude, I get on the race track
29:52
and I don't know what in the hell, I don't know what.
29:54
I wonder what track he was mapping.
29:56
But it was, it was nothing. It was nothing like what I was
30:00
witnessing out there, right? But the one thing I do remember
30:04
that when when we were done that the first time I went out and I
30:07
ran a few laps and I came in, I said, guys, I have raced all
30:10
over this country, every little short track and big tracks.
30:13
And I've been, I've been so many race tracks, like so many of
30:16
those days, I said. But I just went through the most
30:18
dangerous turn of any race track of anywhere I've ever raced.
30:23
And that's the end of the back straightaway, back there on top
30:26
of the hill and the very back end, right.
30:29
And that's a race. When we go back for the race and
30:32
we lose JD Mcduffie had a problem going into that turn and
30:35
and we lost JD. And then right after that, they
30:38
put the chicane in OK, to slow you down before you got to that
30:42
most dangerous turn that I'd ever saw.
30:45
And but it was, it was, you know, it's just a different,
30:48
it's a different craft. It's a different, you know what
30:51
it's, it's, it's, you know, we, we all of us drivers, we would,
30:56
we'd all try to do the same thing like you do on an Oval.
30:59
You hold it deep, as deep as you can get into the turn before you
31:02
get out of the gas and, you know, hope it sticks and hope
31:05
it, hope it turns and all the jump back in the gas.
31:09
The guys that were really good on the road courses learned real
31:12
quick. And it took me, it took me a
31:13
while to figure it out. It's more about back in your
31:18
apex, apex up, you don't overcharge the turns.
31:21
You get out of the gas or you get deep as you can, but really
31:24
stand on the brake more. It's a, it's a whole different
31:27
technique. OK, and, and, and in those days,
31:30
man, the road course guys, they would come in and they would
31:32
always be top of the charts speed and they would qualify
31:35
real good. But during the race, the, the,
31:38
the, the talent of the cup drivers would always prevail
31:41
during the race. And those guys would, you know,
31:43
shuffle the road course ringers back some, not all of them, but
31:47
but anyhow, they all, they all used to run good with us.
31:49
But you know, you're talking about the wreck.
31:53
We had just started that race. We'd run maybe 6 or 7 laps.
31:56
We're going into turn. I don't know the number of the
31:59
turn. It's the last one before the
32:00
last one. OK, It's, it's two turns before
32:03
the end and I guess you're going in it, you're going in it long
32:06
straight and you get just to get to the 4th gear and you
32:10
immediately get 4th and go back to 3rd down to second.
32:12
You downshift hard, sharp 90° left-hander and we're going to
32:17
run it, run it alone 6-7 laps, man.
32:20
And hit the brake pedal, went to the floor.
32:22
I'm like, oh crap. So it went off the race track.
32:25
I got it turned a little bit when it went off the track.
32:29
And you know, and I tell people all the time, man, if you race
32:31
long enough, you know, when something goes wrong, you, you,
32:34
you know the speed and you know the angle you're at, you know
32:38
what the impact's going to feel like.
32:39
OK, you've, you've done it enough.
32:41
And you kind of know how hard a hit you're going to take.
32:43
When that thing went off the racetrack, I'm like, oh shit,
32:45
man, I think I might have bought it here, right?
32:48
I'm like, I don't know if I'm going to overcome this one.
32:51
But luckily it was a, you know, what was it, I don't know, maybe
32:56
7500 yards off the racetrack before you got to the wall and
33:00
the wall had a stock of tires up and behind the tires was
33:03
guardrail. And then they hit with the right
33:07
rear of the car. So which is the softest part of
33:09
the race car and all that stuff gave enough to where it didn't,
33:14
you know, it didn't, didn't send me into the promised land at
33:17
that at that time, you know, so, but boy, it hurt.
33:22
Funny part about that. We go back to the next race and
33:24
next year we're in, we're in the garage, we're practicing.
33:27
I'm in the garage. And I hear Ricky Rudge had a
33:30
wreck. And then they tell her she
33:32
wrecked the same turn that I wrecked, right.
33:36
Well, Ricky came to me later on that day, said, man, Rick, I got
33:40
to thank you, dude. I said thank me for what?
33:42
He said, did you know what happened me up there?
33:45
I said, yeah, I'm not sure. He said, I want that turn.
33:48
I hit the brake pedal. My brake pedal went to the
33:50
floor. He said, oh, crap.
33:52
He said, I went off the track. He said, man, I think it's going
33:56
to kill me, right? And he said, I hit that pea
33:59
gravel and it's just like a big vacuum sucked that car up and
34:04
ran right into the wall where they put these big stacks of
34:07
Styrofoam. He says, I said, OK.
34:10
He said when it finally hit it, this went pal.
34:13
And I'm like, man, Ricky, I'm I'm telling what Ricky said,
34:17
man, that didn't that didn't hurt.
34:19
It didn't wasn't that hard. He said I got to thank Rick Mass
34:22
for this because when I Rick after my wreck, they went in
34:25
there then and redesigned and put all the pea gravel down, you
34:28
know, and they put the big Styrofoam blocks and all up
34:31
against the wall. So but I'll never forget Ricky
34:34
come down thanking me flat. I don't know what he's talking
34:36
about. Start with right.
34:37
So that was pretty cool. The wreck wasn't cool.
34:41
The wreck wasn't cool. I suffered with that for a
34:43
while. Yeah, yeah.
34:45
And then both with a fracture in your shoulder somewhere out of
34:47
that deal, didn't you? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
34:52
When you when you had that wreck, it was just nothing but
34:55
grass all the way to the to the wall, to the tires.
34:58
You watch the replay of that wreck, I swear it almost looks
35:00
like you pick up speed in that freaking grass.
35:02
It's crazy looking. I I can tell you this, that was
35:05
the one time I ever went to Watkins Glen was that year, I
35:07
believe it was 93 when you had that wreck.
35:10
I think we've had the flight from hell to get up there.
35:13
I think that was the day we were in the in the air.
35:15
Mom and I were in the air when when there was tornadoes and
35:19
everything and and that's just the worst, worst flight I've
35:22
ever had in my life. I believe it was it was that
35:24
same weekend. Anyways, we get up there now at
35:26
this point, this is 1993. So we don't have ATV or anything
35:32
to see what's happening around the track.
35:34
We're in the pit box. The only thing we can see is for
35:36
you right when you drive by once a lap.
35:39
Got no clue what else is going on other that and then and then
35:42
the radio. So obviously, like you said, we
35:45
you know, we hadn't been down there but a few laps and then
35:48
you reckon so we really didn't know mom and I really didn't
35:51
know. We didn't know what condition
35:54
you were in or nothing. But at the same time, they, I
35:57
don't remember either of us being worried or anything They
36:00
said, well, you know, we'll go meet him at the infield care
36:02
center going all right. Again, you've you've right
36:05
before. We're not sitting there freaking
36:07
out or anything. We get there and the head of
36:10
MRO, which is motor race and outreach is Max Hilton at the
36:13
time. Now that's for people who don't
36:14
know motor race and outreach. That's the the ministry, the
36:17
Chapel service that travels to the track each week.
36:19
And that's where drivers and families go to church.
36:21
They set up every week at the track and they do a lot of other
36:24
things too, Take care of all the kids and do a lot of great
36:27
things for, for the NASCAR community.
36:29
Well, at that time, the the head of it was Max Helen.
36:32
He was the main pastor or chaplain and he meets me and mom
36:37
at the infield care center before you get there.
36:40
And I don't know how it works nowadays, but I feel like in
36:42
those days, if, if Max or one of the main guys from MRO is there
36:46
to meet you at the hospital. A lot of times that was, you're
36:49
talking about going to the promised land or not getting
36:51
over this one. That was, I mean, all jokes
36:53
aside, that was, that was a possibility if, if they're there
36:56
to meet you and, but still, I don't remember us freaking out
37:00
too much. Well, then the ambulance pulls
37:01
up when they pull you out of it. And I guess it just so happened
37:04
that you had your eyes closed when when they pulled you out of
37:06
the ambulance. I'm glad we can laugh about this
37:08
now. I can.
37:09
I can still picture it clear as they now they pull.
37:11
Yeah. You're on the stretcher.
37:12
Your eyes are closed. And you looked, you looked like
37:16
really pale. I mean, you really did.
37:18
I'm not making that up. And and that's all we see is you
37:22
pale eyes shut and they whiskey away.
37:25
And then Max Hilton takes us and it's just me and Mom and him in
37:28
a room in a darkly, dimly lit room and him trying to make
37:31
small talk. And I started getting upset.
37:35
And the mom was getting upset and it was just getting, it was
37:37
getting real serious real quick. And we really didn't know what
37:41
was going on. And finally somebody at nurse or
37:43
somebody comes in, says, OK, young, young, come see him.
37:48
And now, granted, I want you to remember, remember this.
37:51
We're thinking you might be dead at this point, or at least I was
37:55
10 years old. I thought you might be dead.
37:56
We, we go in there to see you and there you are putting on
37:59
your street clothes. You're down to you.
38:01
I think you just had your tighty whities on.
38:02
You're laughing, putting putting clothes back on about something.
38:05
I'm like, well, he definitely ain't dead.
38:08
He's just sitting here laughing in his underwear.
38:10
He's not dead, thank goodness. I'll tell you the the other
38:13
thing I remember though, Dad, I would never forget this.
38:16
We, you know you, they check you out of the infield care center
38:18
and we head back to the garage and go to the truck to, you
38:21
know, pick up, pick up stuff, whatever you need to do.
38:23
You, I assume you probably debriefed with, with crew or
38:26
whatever. And I will never forget.
38:28
We're walking up to your, we see your car, it's been brought in,
38:31
it's in the garage. And I can see the, let's see
38:36
which side you hit on. Passenger side.
38:38
Driver. Yeah, right rear.
38:40
Yeah. Passenger.
38:40
Yeah, right, right side. So you hit on the right side.
38:43
So we're walking up and we can see the left side, the driver's
38:45
side. And it honestly, from what I can
38:47
see, and again, I've not seen a replay of it, have no idea what
38:50
happened to you. We're walking up to it and the
38:53
driver's side looked pretty clean.
38:54
They really did like it didn't look, didn't look too banged up
38:57
or anything. I wouldn't.
38:59
This is why I'll never forget. We walk around to the other side
39:02
and that car was absolutely demolished.
39:06
I mean, just as torn up as I've ever seen any car of yours that
39:10
any wreck you were ever in. I mean, that car was just
39:12
demolished. And we're looking, and we're
39:14
looking at that going, holy crap.
39:16
Like finally, once we saw the replay of you hitting the tires
39:20
and, you know, doing a 360 in the air and everything is like,
39:23
yeah, that makes sense with what we saw.
39:25
But I would never forget that of just being completely kind of
39:29
dumbfounded as how as to how 1/2 of that car looked completely
39:33
fine and clean and the other half was just demolished.
39:35
Man, it was. Was that the hardest hit you
39:37
think you ever took? That or the week before at
39:42
Talladega when Jimmy Horton went over the wall at Talladega.
39:46
Oh yeah, that was a hard lick. That was a hard lick that day.
39:50
And I was still, I was still stinging from that when the
39:55
friggin race would get to Watkins Glen.
39:56
And then that happened. But you know, Ricky, really The
39:59
thing is that in those days, man, it was so hard on families
40:03
and I, you're there as a driver. It is what it is, but.
40:07
You know, we lost some guys and, and, and, and you know, the, it
40:12
was really hard, like, like you just explained.
40:14
I mean, you know, I'm sitting here thinking about, I'm like,
40:16
yeah, it was, it is what it is. But it was, it was really a lot.
40:20
It was harder, harder on the families, I think.
40:22
Well, I shouldn't say harder. It was hard in those days on the
40:25
family, 'cause we did, you know, we did suffer some tragedies,
40:29
You know, we did suffer some injuries and hurts.
40:32
And, you know, Max Hilton showing up at the infield
40:36
carrier with the wife, with the children, you know, that was
40:39
never, that was never a good situation.
40:42
But, you know, you just accepted it, right.
40:44
Basically what it amounts to, man, if you're going to wreck
40:47
them, I mean, if you go race, if you're going to wreck them, you
40:49
know, and when you wreck them, sometimes it hurts and sometimes
40:52
when it hurts, you get hurt, right.
40:55
And then sometimes it gets worse than that.
40:56
But that, that was just part of the part of the gig in those
40:59
days. So, you know, we all got through
41:01
it. Yeah.
41:02
Yeah. There's.
41:04
You know, there's I have 99.9% amazingly great memories from
41:09
your time in it. The the 1.1 that it's, it's
41:13
always just just wish I'd, you know, you wish that couldn't
41:16
happen is just seeing, seeing families and and stuff.
41:19
When, when things didn't go, when things went wrong and
41:22
seeing, seeing, you know, that I don't know, just things that I
41:26
don't even know. I want to share here.
41:27
But these things that like that was tough.
41:29
And and then selfishly, you're kind of you.
41:32
You're like, well, I'm glad. I'm glad my dad's OK, you know?
41:38
Yeah. Which?
41:39
Is which is what it is. It's.
41:40
Selfish. It's selfish.
41:42
I hate to sit here and say that I had that feeling sometimes,
41:45
but but I did. I'd be lying if I if I said
41:48
otherwise so, but thankfully you know the crazy.
41:51
Part about it, yeah. The crazy part about that,
41:54
Ricky, during those times when that was going on, when I was
41:57
racing, we were all, we were always thinking back about like
42:01
the guys right now, look, you know, and they're pretty safe
42:03
with what they do. And they look back at our era,
42:05
you know, where we lost some guys.
42:06
But when I was racing, we would look back at the guys before us
42:10
a decade or a couple decades before us and the kind of cars
42:13
they had and the safety equipment they had, you know,
42:16
and the tragedies those people suffered.
42:19
And we were so thankful that we were in the modern, modern era
42:23
and our cars were so much safer than what those guys were.
42:27
You know, it was 20 years before us and now looking back on our
42:31
deals, like, damn, this kind of this car is really kind of
42:34
barbaric. It's some of the things that we
42:37
raced right in those days. It's, it's funny how that works
42:40
'cause you, you're sitting there racing, you think you're in the
42:42
safest thing that that's available.
42:45
And we were at that point, you again, you don't know what you
42:47
don't know, especially about safety in those days.
42:50
But they've come such a long ways with that deal, man, right?
42:53
And you know, knock on wood, we haven't had, we haven't had any
42:57
issues in a long time. We don't win any, don't need
42:59
any, don't want any either. So yeah, I don't know.
43:02
If you and I have talked to you and I have talked about this
43:04
before, I don't know if we've talked about it on mass cast.
43:06
So I'll go ahead and I'll go ahead and bring it up.
43:08
Since we're, we're in this, this topic, I have a theory that to
43:13
become a race car driver at the, at the cup level or at one of
43:16
the highest levels of, of Motorsports, you have to have
43:20
such a supreme confidence in yourself and your ability.
43:23
And, and I mean this in a good way.
43:26
You have to think I'm just the greatest, I'm the greatest
43:28
driver there is on planet earth, right?
43:30
And I think you have to have that kind of ultimate self
43:33
self-confidence to make it to that level.
43:36
And I feel like, you know, driver will be a standard line,
43:40
or at least back in the day. It's like, well, we accept the
43:42
risk, you know, we we know what's what could happen here
43:45
and all that. I would say that I feel like
43:47
race car drivers deep down, because of that belief in
43:50
themselves, don't think it's ever going to happen to them
43:53
that they're never going to be the one that's that the dies in
43:56
a race car right. I think that's might say the
43:59
right things like, well, you know, it could happen when we
44:01
accept the risk, but I don't think any of y'all ever actually
44:04
believe that. Is that a fair theory on my
44:07
part? Yeah, it's.
44:09
It's going to be somebody else, right?
44:11
That, that that's your thought process.
44:14
Yeah, shit. That ain't going to happen to
44:15
me, man. That's going to be him.
44:16
That's going to happen to him. It ain't going to happen to me,
44:18
Right? It's just, I don't know, it's
44:20
weird, 'cause like I said, man, at certain intelligence level,
44:23
you cannot exceed to be a NASCAR Cup driver.
44:25
You know, I just, I always tell people that and get a joke out
44:29
of it. But it's, it's true.
44:31
You didn't, you just didn't, you know, you, you, you respected
44:35
it. You know, you feared it.
44:37
You know, you knew what the risks were, but I also thought,
44:41
really, you know what, it's not going to happen to me, but it
44:44
could, but it's not going to happen to me, you know.
44:47
And then what happens, you sit around and you, you go and you
44:50
start racing and you look around and 1st you lose this buddy,
44:53
right? Then you lose this guy, then
44:55
that guy you don't even know, and then then on and on and on.
44:59
And it starts taking, it starts adding up.
45:01
You're like, damn this, you know, we got to do something
45:04
about all this stuff, but it doesn't really affect you or
45:07
change what you do or how you think about things or do
45:11
anything. It's just, I don't know, just
45:13
it's a weird deal. Somebody ought to figure that
45:16
out sometime, I guess. Well, you know, but again, you
45:19
know, the guys today don't have to deal with that.
45:21
They just don't have to deal with it.
45:23
And I'm, I'm thankful for them for that.
45:25
I'm thankful that they do not. That's one part of it.
45:29
They just don't have to think about.
45:31
Well, you 2 weeks ago we lost so and so, right?
45:34
Or, you know, back six months ago over in that term, we lost
45:37
so and so, right? These guys, you know, they're 20
45:40
years of age or whatever they've come up.
45:42
They didn't. They just never had to deal with
45:44
it. That part of the middle part of
45:46
our sport. And hopefully it stays that way
45:49
for them. Yeah, I hope it does.
45:50
Yeah, I'm thankful for it. Too.
45:52
I can tell you the way you said that about ain't gonna happen to
45:56
me, I'm gonna happen to somebody else, gonna happen to me.
45:59
I think I don't want to speak for all families I know speaking
46:01
for me. Looking back on it, I think that
46:04
I think that's probably how I felt too as a kid, because when,
46:07
when you were driving, like you said, you did lose people, but I
46:11
never really felt like I never felt like it was you.
46:14
It only became real, a real possibility when a Watkins Glen
46:18
happened, when a wreck would happen, you know, but never with
46:20
somebody, you know, with with somebody else.
46:23
It was that, that's when it was like you kind of, I don't know,
46:26
maybe it's like a self-defense kind of thing or like a defense
46:31
mechanism against just, if you sit there and worry about it,
46:35
you, you drive yourself absolutely insane worrying about
46:38
it, right? So you just, I'll tell you what
46:40
do what do. Rick, this week with all your
46:43
connections, you have work for the Braves, get Doctor Phil on
46:45
here. Next week, we'll get Doctor Phil
46:48
on here and we'll get him. We'll get him to explain this to
46:51
us, right? Because we're getting in.
46:53
We're doing some work where I don't think we need to be trying
46:55
to figure out at this point, but but Doctor Phil would do it.
46:59
Reckon he would come on mass cast.
47:01
I bet he would. I I mean.
47:03
Maybe the worst. Thing say is no.
47:06
So I'll, I'll see what I can do. Well, yeah, exactly right.
47:08
Exactly right. Well, all the morbid stuff.
47:11
Aside, it'll be fun to fun to watch.
47:14
Watch the race this weekend. Chase won last week.
47:17
I think he got his first win at Watkins Glen so could be 1 to
47:20
watch course. SVGI know Reddick won the won
47:23
the 1st Rd. course race this year at Coda so I feel like
47:26
that's going to be one thing to watch going into it.
47:28
Is SVGS dominance going to return or is track house still
47:32
kind of down too much? Is Reddit going to return?
47:34
Is Connor Zillich going to show up and do so?
47:36
I don't know. It's just a it'll be a fun, fun
47:39
race this weekend. And like you said, I'm it will
47:41
be. Yeah, that.
47:42
We got some storylines. We got some storylines.
47:45
There's no doubt. Yeah.
47:46
Before we go, I think we need to give a shout out.
47:48
I want to give a shout out. Kyle Petty, Charity Roderick,
47:51
those guys for all you got, all you listers go on social media,
47:55
pull up Kyle Petty Charity ride and just follow it, right?
47:59
I mean, they started what his day.
48:02
She used the they started Sunday, whatever day it was
48:04
Monday. Well, I forget what's anyhow,
48:07
it's the neatest deal to follow, right?
48:09
It's Kyle and Kenny and Kenny and I think Clint's with them
48:14
now. Matt Kinser's with them now, the
48:16
Kings, other folk, a lot of folks.
48:18
But it's neat. They've been doing all these
48:20
stops here in Wichita. I think today and the last two
48:23
days, wherever they're stopping, it's got these long lines, man,
48:26
of people wanting autographs. You know, I never witnessed that
48:30
before with this thing. But any of you that haven't, if
48:34
you, if you live anywhere near this thing, when they're coming
48:36
through each year, when they come anywhere close to you, make
48:40
it make up, make an effort and just go see them at a stop or
48:43
whatever, wherever they might be.
48:45
I mean, I've been fortunate enough to do that a few times
48:48
and it is absolutely one of the neatest deals that you'll ever
48:51
see. It's just it's kind of like,
48:54
it's kind of like going to the race.
48:55
You've never been to the race before.
48:56
You can't explain it to people. Just go and watch the race and
49:00
then you'll understand. And it's kind of like the Kyle
49:02
Petty charity ride. Just go and if you can, if you
49:04
can view it and see it, just do that.
49:06
If you can't, man, just go on social media.
49:09
When you when you when you go off a mask ass, go and see
49:12
social media and pull that thing up and just start watching the
49:15
videos and the pictures and the comments and all.
49:18
It's just, it's one of the coolest things man ever.
49:20
It just truly is. It really is they've.
49:23
Come through our neck of the woods up there in rot red baths
49:25
a couple of times. And I think that one year when
49:28
our old buddy Johnny Hayes was still with us, we stood out in
49:31
front of Johnny's place and held up a couple of signs.
49:34
And then the Petty's the King, Kyle, everybody spotted us and
49:38
pulled over. And I never forget the king
49:40
jumping off his bike, giving you a hug.
49:42
And then of course, we went over to the homestead that night
49:44
where they were staying and having to had dinner.
49:46
And it really is. It's one of the coolest things.
49:49
Kyle's been doing that thing forever.
49:51
I mean, he was doing it for the Winston Cup, you know, wives
49:53
organization back in the 90s and loses Adam, of course.
49:57
And then now everything goes to the Victory Junction gang camp.
50:00
And it's just, it's such a it's, it's a worthy cause for sure.
50:04
And it's also just an awesome cause and really, really a fun
50:07
deal all around. So definitely do that 30.
50:10
Years. Is this 30 years?
50:12
Yeah. That's that's pretty awesome.
50:14
Good deal. All right then.
50:16
Well, I had fun as always, and let's do it again next time.
50:20
We'll do it, guys. Take care everybody to the loo.