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Rediscovering the Joy of Lifelong Learning and Curiosity · The One Small Change Podcast

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Welcome to the One Small Change. And as always, I am thrilled
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that you're here to embark on this journey of exploration and
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transformation with me. And I'm your host, Yvonne McCoy, and I bring
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almost 30 years of entrepreneurial experience and passion for
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discovering growth through the power of seemingly small change. And
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what I realized just the other day is the part of that change
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actually helps you to get clarity because you're taking action,
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you're getting clarity, which makes you more confident. So, like
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I said, thank you for joining us. And
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today we have an amazing person
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and what we're going to talk about is going to change every part of
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your life. And Kami, I'm not sure
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I can say your last name correctly. It's Juanis.
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Juannus. I wasn't sure. So, Kami Wanus. And she's
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going to share how a smaller, unexpected or
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insignificant decision sparked remarkable
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transformation in either her personal or professional
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life. And I gotta tell you, we talked so much the
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other day that our problem is going to be not what we're going to talk
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about, but how we can get enough, you know, make sense
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of what we're talking about in the time that we have. So,
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Tammy, thank you so much for being here. You're going to talk about
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a lot of things, but one of them is lifelong learning, which I'm
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also passionate about. So tell us how you got to
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be where you are and doing what you're doing. Yeah, that's such a great
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question. Because I was a classroom teacher. I was a high school English
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teacher for seven years. And I came to homeschool when I had
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my son. I just felt like that was right for us. And
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then when I was homeschooling, I actually made a really
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big mistake. Even though I. In the classroom, what
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I was doing all the time was trying to get kids. I saw this apathy
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in this. This just general.
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Just general apatheticness about learning, about being
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excited about. I mean, they're teenagers, right? So being excited about anything
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sometimes is a big deal. But just literally being excited about
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learning, it was. They've been through the system so long. It was very difficult
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for me. And I focused a lot on that. Inspiring that love of learning
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or just sparking that a little bit again in their life. So I did the
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same thing when I was in school. I was a very big box
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checker is what I always call it. I was just tell me what to do
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and I'll do it. And I did very well in that. I graduated
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all the way through college. I was cum laude I. I went through the credential
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program, teaching program. I. And I didn't actually get my love of
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learning back until I was a senior in. In college. And
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I was studying something. I was writing a paper. You guys, those of you that
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are old enough to know that back in the days, we always
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Xerox copied all our research for papers, right? So we copied.
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I was sitting on the floor with all this Xerox copiness, and I was
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like, this is what I get to do for a living.
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Like, I get to study things I like to learn about. I
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was studying Native American language revitalization in
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California. Very specific. And it was fascinating to
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me. I was a Native American studies minor, and I was just so
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juiced. And that's when I started loving learning
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again. But guess what? I was a senior in college. I was almost done. The
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students that I worked with, they were in school for just, you know, for all
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their high school career and their middle school and elementary career, and they
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had been box checking for so long that they didn't like learning anymore.
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When I went to homeschool my son, that same.
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For some reason, that didn't occur to me in my mind that that was
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what I was trying to do, even though in the subconscious I was. And I
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started box checking with him and I. We hated it. And within two
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weeks were both crying every day. And I think,
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just to interrupt you, I think that is,
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it's. I think it's. For a lot of teachers, that's their frustration as
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well. They. They have to, you know, if they don't move their kids through
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the benchmarks and stuff like that, that they don't get a chance
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to ignite their curiosity. And, you know, one of the
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stories that I tell is I couldn't read in second grade and
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I met. I could memorize, but I couldn't read. And I had a teacher
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that not only did she teach me to read, she teach. She
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taught me a love of reading and what it could explore for me.
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And I think that was even a bigger gift than the reading.
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Oh, for sure. Do you know, I mean, she, she always read exciting
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stories to us and, you know, you wanted to know more and that kind of
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thing. And then, you know, you get into the, you know, you get into high
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school and you just, you know, you want to get good grades and, you know,
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and you lose that, that curiosity and the out of the
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box thinking, you know, yeah, most kids actually lose their love of
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learning by grade three. And it's super sad, but
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I did that with my Own son. We're sitting there crying every day. And I
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realized I stopped everything. And I said, something's wrong. I'm doing something
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wrong because it's not him, obviously. And so I stopped everything.
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And what I realized was I was doing exactly what I knew didn't work in
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school. I was focusing on box checking instead of focusing on his love
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learning. So we switch gears through. Through a lot of trial and error,
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I realized that creating a culture where love of learning
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stays high develops lifelong learners and leaders. And right
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now I have a 17 year old lifelong learner. I can't undo it if I
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tried at this point, it's kind of crazy, but that is
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the key to success in any endeavor when we want to
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develop leaders. If you want to be a leader, a true leader, not
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a positional leader, but a true leader, which I know all of your audience
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does, because that's who you attract. You attract leaders
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because you're so incredible. So that's what it
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takes to be a leader. You have to be a lifelong learner. If you're an
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entrepreneur, you know, you have to be a lifelong learner. You have to
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be a hungry student. I'm reading a book right now. It's
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Question Based Selling. It's. It's you. You probably remember it from
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back in your corporate days. It's actually a corporate book from a while ago
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and decades ago. And I'm re. I'm just hungry. No one
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else. I mean, that's a random book that's not even recommended these
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days to read. But I just am hungry. And when you're an
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entrepreneur, when you, if you want to be successful, if you want to be a
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true leader in your industry, if you want to be a true leader in the
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world and you want to raise up other people to be leaders, you
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have to be a lifelong learner. So you said a couple of things that
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I think are so important, and I just kind of want to shine a light
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on them. And one of the biggest change for me that
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happened was I was raised
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to not fail. Failure was not an option. And
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it wasn't until I was much older that I realized
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that that fear of failure actually kept me from doing things.
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If I didn't think I could succeed, I didn't do it. So, you know, the
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story that I tell is when I ran for student council president,
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my mom said, I don't want you to do that. And I'm like, why? And
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she said, because you could lose. And I go, mom, there are five of us
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running. There's an 80% chance I'm going to lo. The
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piece that I didn't recognize was you actually
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learn more from failure than you do from success.
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Because when we succeed, we go, okay, great, I'll do that again.
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And you, you know, you do it again. And it may not work because you
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don't know why it worked or what the circumstances were that made it work the
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first time. But when it fails, you take the time to, like,
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analyze it and evaluate what's going on. So,
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you know, small changes can. Can show up as failures
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that make you go, ah, I want to do this better. Right?
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Absolutely. The other thing that you said had to do with
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leadership, and this is my opinion, and I'm
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sticking with it, but I kind of think that, you know, leadership starts with
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personal leadership. And that doesn't mean that you have an authority or a
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title. You have to learn to manage and lead yourself.
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And that's what we are, I think, not teaching people and
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teaching students. Because whether you're going to be an
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entrepreneur or whether you're going to be, you know, an employee or
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manager, whatever, personal
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leadership is a portable skill that you can take with
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you wherever you go. And that is so important
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that you can, you know who you are, you know what your
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style is, you know what you believe in, and that's how you go for it,
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and that's how you show up. And curiosity to me is just
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part of that, because kind of the opposite
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of curiosity to me is being judgmental. It's
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like, we always do it this way. We never do it like this. Why would
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you even think about doing it like that? You know, and curiosity
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is what happens if we do do something different?
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What happens is there is a better way to do this, that we don't need
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to go through 50 steps. We can, you know, do it in 10 or
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whatever. So I'm sorry, that was my soapbox. But. But, you
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know, you and I are on the same page about lifelong learning, and it needs
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to start early. Absolutely. And that personal leadership that
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you'd mentioned, that goes that you could. If you focus on
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it in one area, it transfers to all areas. And guess what? That
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love of learning, that lifelong learning, it's contagious.
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It's contagious because when my son and I made a
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commitment to read 30 minutes, or actually it was.
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My son reads all the time, obviously, but it's. I made the commitment to read
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30 minutes a day, and I made that commitment. And because. Because
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we were doing it so much, and he and I were exercising every day we're,
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we're reading every day, and we made this commitment to do that.
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My husband started going on more walks. My
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husband started reading his book more, and he's like, you guys are
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just, you know, inspiring me to read. And that's what
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happens is it changes, and then that transfers over to your business, and then
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it transfers over to your. Your other areas of your life,
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your health and your sleep and everything like that. It's pretty amazing.
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It is. And proximity to you
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is going to have an impact on people. And the choice is,
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is my proximity going to have a good impact or a bad impact?
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And when I say proximity, it can be somebody that you don't know
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their name, that you. That you don't know them, that the way
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that you act has an impact on, on. On what they do. I
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mean, you see how somebody behaves, and you go, I
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want to be like that, or I don't want to be like that. Right. You
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know, and so that is, you know, when people say, where did you
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hear that? You know, I say, make your learning last. And so part of
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that is you learn something, you apply it and share it. When you share it,
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people are like, where did you get that from? Where did you learn that from?
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Right? And now they're curious about, you know, what's going on. All
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right, keep going. So. So for those of us that
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are adults now or doing our business,
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and maybe we. We had that
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lifelong learning kind of snubbed out of us a little bit, and we still are
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in that box checking mode, you know, And I think this is why
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people don't get a lot out of some of these big classes or courses and
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stuff. It's like, they tell me to go this step, this step, you know, And
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I'm following exactly the way they say to it. What are some
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things we can do now, possibly. This is a great
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example. Yvonne, a great question, because I.
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There are certain parts of your business where you absolutely love, and it's like in
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your passion area, right? So one of the things I love to do is I
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love live talking. I love coaching, I love teaching.
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That's my jam. I love interacting with people. I
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personally do not enjoy writing emails. And
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so the one thing I had to do was I
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had. I realized that my, my open rate was going
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down, and I was like, what's happening? And then I heard
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somebody say, if you don't like writing
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your emails, people won't want to read
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your emails. And I was like, oh, stab in
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the heart, right? And I actually really like writing I
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just don't like writing emails. And so what I did
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was I started digging and I started
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hungrily looking into how successful
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copywriters write emails, how people in the top
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levels of our industries are writing emails. And I
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studied them and I looked at what the best parts were, what,
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what are the things that made me open them, and I, I studied
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copywriters and I follow them, and I just went to everything
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I could get on writing emails. And I started to change my
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format. I overhauled it completely and it's continuing
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to go up because, and I actually don't hate writing
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them anymore. I actually really enjoy because I made it,
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I made it something that's personal to me. Yeah. And so I,
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and I think that is, is, you know, I did not like writing emails
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either. And, and, and one of the things that, you know, the
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first thing is be yourself. You know, the whole part of the be found
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framework is be yourself. Don't try to be somebody else.
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Don't try to put, you know, like the first book that I was ever in,
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I wanted it to be an academic, something that's going
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to change the world. Right. And that's not me. I'm very
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practical. You know, when I ended up, I spent a year and
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a half and I had one paragraph, and then when
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I finally somebody was smart enough to say to me, what, what
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do you want people to get out of this? What is the purpose of this?
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And I said, I want people to be able to take action and
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wrote the book, you know, wrote my chapter in two days. So it's
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got to be something that you, that you're fired up about, right?
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And you can be fired up about more than one thing.
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So I always tell people, what are five things that you do in your life
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on a regular basis? For me, obviously, it's my business.
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It's humor. You got to have humor. To me, it's
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my weight loss journey, it's my kids, and it's my
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pets. Those are the things that I talk about. And
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so, you know, when you're doing that, you get
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curious about what are the connections between some of these things. So, for instance,
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I did a post that said,
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what happens when the dog catches the car? You know, when your
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marketing finally works, but you're not ready for it? You know, I talk
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about weird stuff like that, you know, and I enjoy it. I mean,
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I just put out a post for my birthday that said I didn't think I
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would be doing Pilates and I feel like this awkward baby elephant.
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Right. And so you're
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you have to bring you. Because that's how you
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were found. People go, I relate to that. I
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understand that. Right. And you don't have. The good
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thing is you don't have to be perfect. So you don't have to keep practicing
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to be perfect. To be practicing to be perfect. Because
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by the time you think you have it pretty good, whatever you were
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practicing for has now passed. You've missed the
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opportunity. And so, you know. All right, so
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we both agree that one of the things to do is be yourself and
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be curious about the things that you're naturally curious about.
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Yes, absolutely. Yeah. What else?
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And to be curious about things that you need to improve on.
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So to whatever you know what those are those areas of your life.
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One of those things, you know, I have a health. Chronic
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health issue and I am just
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hungry for information on health. And so
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a lot of our lifestyles changed over the last for
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decade and a half because we've just been on that journey
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and so something. Yeah, that's something. That's, that's your urgent to
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me. But the emails, the things that I don't really like doing, how
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can I do them more efficiently? How can I do them better? How can I
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enjoy doing them? Or how can we hire somebody else
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to do it right? How can we get to the place to. To get that
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done? Or how can we make connections with people? I think that one of the,
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one of the really amazing things is being hungry with the people that
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you're interested into. So. Or the people that you inter in
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interact with. So you know, you and I are in different
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industries, but we are very,
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very aligned. And I really, really enjoy
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building our relationship because it's something that we
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align a lot of places and but we use it in different ways and
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I think that's a really important connection. So everybody has, everyone
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has something to teach you. You mention or whether it's something you want
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or something you don't want to do or be like or whatever.
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But that kind of curiosity, boy, if we had that kind of
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curiosity in everybody in the
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society right now, what kind of society would we
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have if people were genuinely curious about why is it that. What?
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Tell me how you think. Tell me how you think. Tell me how that works.
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What can I learn from you? Even if it's what not to do, what not
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to whatever that would be. Oh,
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transformational. I just, you said something and it,
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it really reminded me of what just happened with me and my grandson.
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So one of the things that I think is really important
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is that if you have a skill or a
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passion that it's kind of transferable. So, you
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know, you don't have 24 hours to be an entrepreneur and
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another 24 hours to be a person, you know, in your personal
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life. And so I always say whatever models or, you know,
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kinds of formats you use in one, you should be
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able to use it in the other because one is you don't have to have
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two separate things that you have to switch back and forth, but also you will
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use it more and so you will internalize it more. So
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I had this situation with my grandson where
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he, he decided he had a weird idea of what he was going to do
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about school. And I said to him, I want you to think about
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what your long term plan is. Not just think about what's
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right in front of you, but what you want to do further down the
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road, which I never did with my kids. Okay?
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And so the important part was that I wasn't saying,
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are you going to do this? Are you going to do this? Are you going
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to do this? I was like, what are you going to do? You know, being
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curious and, you know, bring up. And then
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he had said he was, he was going to be a professional basketball player. And
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he's actually pretty good. And as I shared with you before,
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then two days later he quit.
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And, and instead of saying which my normal, with my,
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my kids decades ago would be like, are you crazy? Have you lost your mind?
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You know, I said to him, how does this change your long term
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plans? What does this mean for you now? Do you
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still want to be a professional ball player? And if so, how are you going
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to get there? And if you don't, you know, he, he has an idea
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for a business. It's like, how is this going to impact your business?
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Right? And I really, I had to stop myself
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to say, okay, this, you know, the old way is not where I am,
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it's not what I'm, you know, coaching people on. How does
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this work in my personal life, right?
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And it was interesting to hear him talk about the
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things that, you know, he said. And just as a, as a final
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caveat to this whole thing, first of all, he, he, they
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did a video at his. One of the things I had said to him when
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he wanted to be a professional ball player, which you're gonna have to learn to
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speak because nobody's going to pay you to endorse things if you go
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anyway in this video, the kid is like a class act.
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I'm like, oh God, I have never seen this kid, he's like, I am so
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happy to be here. And you know, I get lots of support from. So I'm
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like, who is this? Right? And just
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like you said to me, that's a 15 year old. Two days later he was
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back in basketball practice again. So who knows what he's gonna. There you
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go. That's a 15 year old for you. Yeah, but the idea is,
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what is your long term? And I think
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that's where
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we don't have that skill as an adult. Many of
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us, because we never learned it as a kid, because we were told,
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go to school today, get this for this marking period for this
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season of whatever you're playing for this do, you know, you're like,
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really blinders on. And I think that
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I have learned that I am very focused.
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I'm, you know, I'm like, what is the fastest route to get from here
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to there? And what I have learned from my husband is the
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downside to that, because every strength that you have has a downside.
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The downside to that is that I do not notice a lot of things
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that are not in my immediate path.
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And I mean, we will get out of the car and he will say, did
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you look at the flowers I planted? And I'm like, huh, huh? I'm trying to
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get, you know, so talk about that a little bit.
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Like, you know, a skill that you get as
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a young person and how important it is,
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you know, as you are an adult. But if you haven't gotten it as
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an adult, you can still get it. Yeah, 1,000%. That's
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exactly what I'm doing with parents when I work with homeschool parents to
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help them raise leaders and lifelong learners. And that's very important to me
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because our kids want to be leaders. They want to be
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true leaders. They want to make a difference and impact in the world, but they
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just don't know how. We have to give them the environment, we have to give
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them the lifelong learning, learning, and we have to give them the skills, the leadership
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skills to be able to get to that place, at least the beginning skills. And
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so, but the hunger is important and that's the most important thing. And
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so when we are an adult, when we're doing that with our kids, we're also,
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guess what, we're doing it with ourselves. Because you have to. You have to.
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Because if that, if you're not doing it, they're not going to. And you have
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to speak from experience too. And it's okay if you're not of you
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not you're not, you know, Martin
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Luther King Jr. Or something, you know, it's okay if you're not that, but you
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at least need to be going through it with them together. And that creates a
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very big important journey that you can share with
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other people and you can share with them, you can share with anybody else. But
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when you are an adult and you never got that yourself, if
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you want to help people, you in
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your business, in your life, you have to be able to,
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to be on that curiosity journey together. And that end goal focus is
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so important. Nobody. That's one of the things I tell parents. The very first
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thing we talk about, the very first thing that's in my inspiring
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lifelong learning academy is we have to get that end goal defined. What
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is that person, that vision of a picture of a 25 year
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old of your kids when they're 25 and they're living their best life
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or they're doing their thing, what does that picture look like? Because
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if we don't have that, we're just driving around in the car
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without a destination in the gps, hoping
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that we're going to get there and you're never going to. Just like in our
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business, if we don't have a goal, an end goal, we don't have a. And
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you don't even necessarily have to have, oh, I know exactly what it's going to
23:39
look like 25 years down the road because we don't have, we don't have
23:43
that vision necessarily. Some of us do. But we can
23:46
have a what is it going to look like at the end of this year?
23:49
What is it? What, what is that picture look like? And
23:53
then we can work backwards from there and make sure that everything else lines up
23:56
because otherwise we're just going through the motions of. And
24:00
we see. I know you see a lot of Yvonne because you work with some
24:03
pretty amazing people and, and working with business owners. You
24:07
see them dabble, dabble and dabble, dabble and
24:10
dabble over here and dabble, dabble over there and this over here and
24:14
oh, shiny object and shiny object and then where
24:18
we have no destination, we have to make sure that everything lines up and be
24:21
super intentional about that. But if we don't have that end goal, we,
24:25
we, we don't even know where we're going. So it's very important that we do
24:29
that. Don't go into business saying, I just want to, you know, like,
24:32
I have some people, you know, we have to get more specific than that
24:36
in order to be able to actually help people and that is
24:40
something that I know you do really well with everyone, Yvonne. You're amazing at that.
24:44
So, yeah, so I, you know, and one of the things that I
24:48
say that probably was another one of those things
24:52
is there's always going to be somebody ahead of you, and there's always going to
24:55
be somebody behind you in terms of experience. And so, you
24:59
know, you learn from the people that are ahead of you, but people that
25:02
are not, as far as you learn from you. And so you can help,
25:06
you know, where you are right now is good enough to
25:10
help people who haven't had the experience that you have. And in business
25:14
particularly, it's really important that you do
25:18
the right thing for the right reason at the right
25:21
time, the right way at the right time, and it's right for you. I mean,
25:25
something that I would have done, you
25:29
know, five years ago is not the same thing I would do now. Having
25:32
experience that I have now, I would do it differently. And in five years,
25:36
in the future, I still probably, you know, I. The main thread would
25:40
be the same, the vision would be the same. Right. The mindset and
25:43
the, you know, the values would be the same. But the
25:47
way I would do it would be different, partially because they're different. You know, they're
25:51
going to be new technologies and, you know, all these other things that are happening.
25:55
So, okay, let's do this, because we're going to run out of time. I need
25:57
to know. Tell us about the free gift.
26:01
Yeah. So if you are a parent of kids who are still
26:05
in school or, hey, even if you're not there, we're talking about
26:09
lifelong learning. And to be alive, lifelong learner, it looks a certain way.
26:13
There are different habits, there are things you do on a regular
26:16
basis. And so what I have is the love of
26:20
learning Launchpad, which is designed for families, but
26:24
if you are not, you can still take it. And it gives you a
26:27
snapshot of where your love of learning is at right now.
26:31
And this is just a little quiz, but it really dials in as
26:35
you're taking it. You can see, see, do I do that? How often do I
26:38
do that? What is that? And it's really going to give you a good picture
26:41
of where your love of learning is right now. And if you have a family
26:45
and you have kids, it's really going to help you as a
26:49
family, take an assessment of where you're at, and you can take it again and
26:52
again and again. It's pretty amazing. And, and the other thing is, we talked about
26:56
transferable, so, you know, if you don't have,
27:00
you know, if you're. Your kids are not school age right now, you may have
27:03
grandkids, but transferable in terms of business
27:08
is who are the people on your team? Who are the people you're bringing in
27:11
with you because you want to inspire? You don't want to just bring
27:15
in drones. You want to bring in people who are also going to be inspired
27:19
and have that same level of learning. So I would recommend
27:23
that you definitely, definitely get this, because
27:26
lifelong learning is a gift that keeps giving,
27:29
obviously, because it's lifelong. So. All right, so
27:33
we got to do the. We got to do the commercial, and
27:37
you and I could keep going for, like, forever. We
27:41
did on Monday. Yeah.
27:44
Okay. So the first thing is make sure
27:48
that you subscribe and share and engage on social media
27:52
about the podcast. The reason I do this is
27:56
because I know that we are
28:00
all at different places and we need different things. And so I try
28:03
to bring people into your world that you may not meet on your own.
28:07
And it's there to have a vibrant community and
28:11
fuel your quest for impact and growth. And so one
28:15
of the things with the one small change is that even a small
28:19
change can yield big transformations. I think
28:23
of it as kind of like the spokes on a wheel where in the center,
28:26
it's really small, but the more you do it over time, the. The amount of
28:29
area you cover, much bigger. And so that's what I'm hoping
28:33
that you will get out of this. And you should go back to the first
28:36
episode. There's some episodes that I've done that I've done all by
28:40
myself, and, you know, because I like to talk
28:44
and you can look at them too, but the gifts and stuff like that, and
28:47
be sure you pick up Cami's gift. So, Cami,
28:50
I did not ask you when was the last time you did something new for
28:54
the first time? Gosh, you know, I feel like that's an
28:58
everyday endeavor for me.
29:02
So one of the things that. That I definitely
29:06
do on a regular basis is I look for those things to do on a.
29:10
Is to do things I haven't done before. And
29:14
for me, definitely one of the things I've. I haven't done.
29:19
You know, honestly, recently it was that reading the 30 minutes every
29:23
day because I haven't done that in years. And
29:27
it was a game changer because it not
29:30
only, like you said, it's something that transfers everywhere. And
29:34
it's not only in that one area, it's also building my mindset, my
29:38
growth, my business and that was. That was trying something new,
29:42
because I hadn't done that in a long time. And it. I
29:45
remembered what it. How impactful it was, but I went back
29:49
to it, and it had been a long time. It was amazing.
29:53
Sometimes the things that you did when you were starting out.
29:57
I think I mentioned I was trying to declutter my office, and I don't know
30:00
if it was you or not, but I looked at some of the ideas that
30:03
I had when I started, and I went, yeah, these are really good.
30:07
I just need to bring. I just need to bring them up today.
30:11
So I think I really want people to take away the
30:14
idea that you can take old ideas and. And.
30:18
And tweak them. You can. Whatever you have can be transferred
30:22
from your personal and your business. So what are your last words? What are your
30:26
words of wisdom? My words of wisdom are just
30:29
be hungry learning. One of the message that I
30:33
have in I teach families how to do is create that
30:36
culture where learning happens everywhere, all the time, and that's the message that
30:40
we're sending to our kids. It to. To become
30:43
lifelong learners is learning happens everywhere, all the time.
30:47
So if you live through that message through yourself, learning
30:51
happens everywhere, all the time, that you
30:55
will open yourself up to so much more passion,
30:59
so much more inspiration, and you'll make a lot of
31:02
progress. And I. And I think
31:06
just to. To. To jump onto that, I think what
31:09
that does for entrepreneurs is it keeps you
31:13
relevant and passionate for your clients. And who doesn't want to work
31:17
with somebody like that? Absolutely. Okay,
31:20
we gotta stop. We can keep going, but we gotta stop.
31:24
Okay? So one of the things I want to say is that, remember, the
31:28
change is simple, but it's not always easy, and it requires a certain amount of
31:32
courage and resilience and a willingness to step outside your comfort
31:36
zone. I always say if you're not feeling some butterflies, then
31:39
it means that you don't care. You don't. You know, if you've got that, yeah,
31:43
I'm just gonna do this. It means that you don't care. So you want to
31:46
feel a little bit uncomfortable, right? Because it means that you're on the right track.
31:50
And so I hope that you'll continue to join me on the one small
31:53
change, and until the next time, stay very,
31:57
very curious. Cami, thank you so much for your gift.
32:01
Thank you so much for your thoughts. Of course.
32:04
Anytime. Bye.