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The Toxic Blobs of Oakville Washington 1994 | Clyde Lewis · Ryder Lee

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  Welcome back to Raised by a Giants live discussion. Welcome everyone in the chat.
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  Good to see you guys and any moderators out there and or channel members.
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  We have an amazing show lined up for you guys here today with veteran
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  radio host and legend Clyde Lewis. And this episode is brought to you by
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  that ticket price. And today we have with us a keynote speaker from Contact
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  this year, veteran writer, author, TV and radio personality, the host
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  of the legendary Ground zero Radio Clyde Lewis. Welcome to the show. How's
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  it going, my friend doing really well? Writer? The weather's horrible out
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  here in the Pacific Northwest, but I'm warm and cozy and I'm ready to
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  do a show with you. I'm very excited to be a part of this
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  program. So I'm sure you and I are gonna get a lot of deep
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  discussion. I'm hoping that I can keep up. Well, it's an honor
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  and a privilege to have you on your status in this community of the paranormal
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  and strange, which I believe encompasses a lot of different phenomenon, just how
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  they change the name of UFO to UAP to include much more of the phenomenon
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  than just objects, right, it's now a phenomenon. But you've been hosting
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  and talking about this stuff since ninety five, I believe, and well you've
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  had ground zero since ground zero RATO since ninety five, and I feel like
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  I know a lot about a lot of stuff. But compared to you,
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  and I'm not ashamed to say it, I'm a rookie in comparison, just
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  based off the sheer number of years that you've been doing this in anyway,
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  all that to say that I'm excited to have you on. It's definitely a
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  journey. It's definitely a lot of learning, a lot of experiencing where you
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  can, I guess safely say that there are things that aren't explained, there
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  are things that are covered up there are things that certainly are outrageous. I
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  just think that the attitude and the evolution of what we call conspiracy theory has
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  changed over time, because now it's become a malicious type of pejorative, I
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  think. And it's not fair because you look at the history of what conspiracy
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  is and theories are theories. We know their theories are not necessarily based on
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  truth. Although there's empirical evidence that could show that we could open up some
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  of these things, reprogram them, and reprocess them and see if they could
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  make a great story. And if they do, you check out and you
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  investigate. But if there is not any truth to it, it's a lie.
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  Lies are lies, theories or theories. But there are conspiracies, real
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  conspiracies, real cover ups. And there are a lot of people that want
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  to fill in the blanks because the media is not doing their job. And
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  when the media doesn't do their job in bringing us background and context, then
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  people start filling in the blanks with their own conspiracy theories, some of them
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  pretty clever, others not so clever. But then that brings about a whole
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  wave of a bunch of ridiculous nonsense pounded upon some truth as well, you
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  know, and I think the intelligence community in the military uses that a lot
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  of that nonsense to their advantage. But besides that, I guess the easiest
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  place to start here with you this evening is what would you say is the
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  most profound experience since you've had your radio showgrounds your since it's been on air,
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  that's changed your perception and beliefs and ideas of what you may have previously
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  had. I know that that's a loaded question, but I think that's important
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  for people to see and hear your evolution of where you first started, because
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  I feel like we all have an evolution of our content and evolution of our
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  own personal thoughts and ideas and beliefs. Is there anything that you personally feel
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  that kind of is on the top of that list, like, Yeah,
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  this is something that's really changed for me, And it can be an entire
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  subject, it can be a topic, or does anything stick out? My
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  view on ghosts pretty much. I you know, I've been involved with a
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  lot of ghost hunts and investigations, and I believe that a lot of the
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  ghost situations, the ghost TV shows, all those things are a lot Hollywood,
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  a lot more Hollywood than they should be, and I don't think we
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  get a very sound discussion of why ghosts appear in the first place, or
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  what they look like, or what to expect. And I think a lot
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  of the time, you know, people are expecting to see a full on
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  apparition, when sometimes an orbit will suffice, or perhaps there's a wisp of
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  smoke or somebody looks like smoke or something that you know, a presence that
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  you can't see but you feel. I'm also not a proponent of New Age
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  type practices with ghost hunting and with ghost clearing. I'm not a big fan
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  of having a medium come into a ghost hunt and say things like go to
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  the light. It'd be like me coming into your studio and saying, hey,
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  writer, go to the bathroom. And if you say, I don't
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  want to go to the bathroom, well the hell with that. Go to
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  the bathroom. You know, go to the bathroom, and you get angry
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  if you say, Clyde, I don't have to go to the bathroom.
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  And that's exactly how I feel when they go into these When people go into
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  these, you know, ghost hunts, and they act like that that munchkin
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  from polter Geist. Do they start saying things like, you know, go
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  to the light, go to the light, you know, and then they
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  satisfy themselves by saying, I cleared this ghost, and I'm like, and
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  then they come back, the ghost comes back and they're saying, well,
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  I thought the ghost was cleared. No, if the ghost is there,
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  then the ghost has a message to give, and the ghost is not going
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  to go just because somebody is punishing them or you know, it's not going
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  to happen. You know, people are people. If it's a human entity
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  or the essence of a human entity, we're going to have to look at
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  this not just from a paranormal angle, but from a scientific angle. In
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  fact, it's so important that they look at this from a scientific angle that
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  now CERN is looking into forty ghost detection by saying that if they are able
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  to break up particles and there are to look at ghosts particles, then yes,
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  they may be able to find that what we're dealing with is not the
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  dead, but we're dealing with dimension, and that when we die or when
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  the ghost is given up, if you will, we end up materializing in
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  another area, or we wind up being broadcast. It's like it's like your
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  body is like a TV set. My body is like a TV set,
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  and the personality that is me is being transmitted and I'm broadcasting it. But
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  when I die or when you die, that broadcast ceased to exist. But
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  then it goes somewhere else and occupies another space. And if it occupies another
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  dimension, and somehow that intelligence that is me or the intelligence you finds a
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  way to break through the overlap that we have. With a quantum entanglement,
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  you're able to have a ghost or you're able to have somebody that There's something
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  called oh what's it called. I'll think of the name in a minute,
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  but it's the idea that you can be in two places at once. And
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  so there are people by a location. I was that by a location,
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  Yeah, superposition. There you go. Super position. Thank you. H
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  The idea that superposition and by location exists in a quantum entanglement, meaning that
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  there are people who can have out of body experiences and be at two places
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  at once. So there are people that have never talked about this, but
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  they have been haunted by living people. So my perspective on ghosts in the
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  paranormal in that regard of change, and in that regard I backed off a
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  bit on talking about ghosts because I'm still now having to relearn some of the
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  things that I have, you know, taken for granted, and I've had
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  many occasions. In fact, a lot of people know that. At one
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  time I was doing an investigation into the Zodiac Killer, and we went to
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  Martinez, California with the Martinez Gazette, and we were investigating the possibility that
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  Richard Gaikowski, who is the editor of the Martinez Cassette, was haunting the
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  newspaper of the facility and that he was the Zodia. And so here we
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  are doing this interview, and I'm interviewing this woman. This woman's a ghost
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  hunter, and she's crying because she feels the spirit of the Zodiac. She's
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  terrified. She gets up and she leaves, and the ghost hunters are over
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  on the other side of the room saying, well, you've attacked this weak
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  person, you know, come and attack us, come after us. And
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  what was bad about that is I had just gotten out of the hospital from
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  cancer surgery. And so no, she wasn't the weakest person in the room.
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  I happened to be the weakest person in the room because I just got
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  out of the hospital. And so what happens is the ghost decides that he's
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  going to come after me, and all of a sudden, I feel this
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  titaness around my neck. I feel like I'm choking. I feel like I'm
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  going to die. I start crying, start throwing up, I start,
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  you know, and this is here. I am on you know, I'm
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  on satellite radio. I'm on national radio, and I'm falling apart on the
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  air and I have to run outside and I have to hug a tree and
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  I have to, you know, put my feet in the mud and ground
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  myself because I feel as tho that I'm under it. And while everybody else
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  is saying, you know, let's have an after party after this ghost investigation,
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  I'm sitting in the car trying not to puke. So, I mean,
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  I learned a lot about how there are these forces that can get into
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  you, that you can't shake them off, and that you have to be
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  very careful when you're dealing with the paranormal, because especially when it comes to
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  ghosts. So I'm relearning what I thought I knew about ghosts. I'm relearning
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  it from a standpoint of quantum entanglement. And I think that to me should
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  be done, and we should branch that out from just a bunch of people
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  in ultraviolet light or a night vision, you know, looking around old hospitals
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  and old old houses. I think that we need to go beyond that now
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  and have some sort of way of scientifically showing that there is something that's overlapping.
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  It's like bubbles roiling in a boil, you know, they all you
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  know, they all overlap on each other. And I think that's what we're
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  living in right now. We live in a in a universe that has different
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  dimensions that overlap, and every once in a while we get a glimpse of
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  those dimensions, and that's why we have the paranormal like we do. Yeah,
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  I agree with some of that, and that's a big reason why I
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  don't do any paranormal investigation anymore. And with Jerry Marzinski, he kind of
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  believes the same thing that you do, but relates more to like our thoughts,
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  that our thoughts are coming from like a radio signal somewhere outside of us,
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  and it depends on where we turn and tune that dial, too,
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  depends on the kind of thoughts that we get. And that's a really interesting
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  concept about the paranormal that you just bring in there. But I just won't
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  do it anymore because I'm I'm not in that place anymore. And they really
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  can get you down, like hardcore. Well you're absorbing all of that,
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  you know, and the body can only take so much. I mean,
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  I've done mediumship before. Once a year I do a Wiji board on the
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  air. You know, I'm not one to play with weed. Bring out
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  the Wuiji board. No, I'm not gonna do that. And I'm getting
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  too old for this. I mean, you know, ghost huntings for the
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  young. You know, I'm now sixty. I've been out this now for
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  thirty years, and you know, the younger people can go out and get
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  that information. I can interview them now. I don't have to go out
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  and do it, but I wanted to experience that. I don't want to
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  be the guy that you know goes on the air and has can questions for
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  the guests and then and not say, well, you know, I've experienced
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  this. I can relate to what you're saying because I experienced this thing,
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  and that that I think is the most important thing about my career is the
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  experiences that I've had and the real experiences and meeting real people who had real
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  experiences and understanding that, you know, what Hollywood is doing and what the
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  media is doing is they make it look so simple. Well, they don't
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  understand is the people who have these experiences, they have to go to therapy.
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  Some of them, when I come to suicide, some of them are
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  not happy with the fact that they've either been abducted by aliens or they've been
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  you know, visited by a ghost or their dead grandmother or something. They're
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  not happy with that. They can't settle with that. And some people have,
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  like, for example, near death experiences. They come out of near
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  death experiences with one foot on the other side and one foot in this side.
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  So that's why people who've had near death experiences always seem to be more
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  like their mediums, more like they see the future, more like they have
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  the grip on both this side and that side. It's because they do.
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  Part of them was left behind, part of that was there, part of
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  that's here, and that side over there is still beckoning them to come back.
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  And I've you know, that's been something that I've learned over the years
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  as well, is that you know, it's not cookie cutter experiences, and
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  it seems that they want us to think their cookie cutter experiences. And that's
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  why every new ghost show that comes out, every new Bigfoot show that comes
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  out, it never seems to, you know, capture my imagination, because
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  I think what's most important about these types of investigations is A where's the science
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  and B where's the history. I think both should be history lessons and science
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  lessons and not just a substitute for spirituality. I just don't think it should
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  be that way. Well, it's really interesting how you can take a group
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  of paranormal investigators to a location and they'll come back with something paranormal. If
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  you take a pair of bigfoot researchers to that same location, they'll come back
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  and say that it's bigfoot. If you take UFO investigators to that same look,
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  you get what I'm saying. Like it, it's like their preconceived notions
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  have built around this belief system and this belief structure, and whatever it is
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  that they believe in is normally what they end up finding. Well, there
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  is a coveyat to that, and that is this. I was once called
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  in to do an investigation at a restaurant in Portland. It's a Moltnomah village
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  place called Fat City. It was a very old restaurant. In fact,
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  it's sold one of the mayors, one of the governor there, or somebody
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  fired the police chief right there at that restaurant. But there was a woman
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  that worked there named Vivian, and she was shot and killed by a guy
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  who was like stalking her. He'd come into the restaurant, he'd order from
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  her, and he stalked her, and then one day as she was going
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  downstairs into the cooler to get some milk or something, he shot her there
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  on the staircase. So apparently there was a ghost in the in the place,
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  and they were telling us, they said, well, we believe it's
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  Vivian. We believe that Vivian is is. She's there and she's haunting the
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  place. We need you to come in and we need you to do some
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  investigating. Well I thought, okay, I'll go and do the investigation.
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  Now, we had a bunch of other people from other you know, we
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  announced on the show that we were going to we were going to do an
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  investigation into this Vivian thing. So we had paranormal investigators. They were all
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  over the place, and they were they were they were basically interfering with our
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  investigation. But they come out and they say, oh, we've got Vivian
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  on screen. Oh we got Vivian on EVP. We got Vivian and what
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  it happens. There was no proof that it was Vivian. It was only
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  like a few EVPs were like saying things like get out or back off,
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  or you know the typical stuff. Well, my wife, who is an
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  EmPATH, who was with me, decided to take me downstairs with her and
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  said, hey, I'm not getting a Vivian here. And I said,
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  well, what are you getting? And she says, I'm getting Humphrey Bogart.
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  I go what she says, I'm getting Humphrey Bogart. I get the
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  name Humphrey Bogart, the actor. And I said, well that doesn't make
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  any sense. I mean, Humphrey Bogart, what would that have anything to
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  do with. So we're doing some EVP up and around the restaurant upstairs in
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  the attic and everything. We get an EDP that says, oh the violence,
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  over and again, oh the violence. And then we heard her,
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  this woman say Maya, I am Maya. It said it's Maya or Mio
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  or something. We couldn't quite figure it out. So I went back to
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  the owners of the restaurant and I said, I don't know a Vivian is
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  haunting your restaurant. And she says, well, who do you think is
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  haunting the restaurant? I go, Humphrey Bogart. She goes, Humphrey Bogart.
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  What do you mean? I said, yeah, well, my wife
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  thinks it's Humphrey Bogart. But we get a we got an EVP of someone
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  calling themselves Mia or Mayo and that she doesn't like the violence. And so
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  we went back and we analyzed it, and that's what we got. I
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  said, I guess I don't know why Humphrey Bogart, why she thinks it's
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  Humphrey Bogart. Whatever. Well, come to find out, I do a
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  show about it. I talk about on the air about the that we went
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  in looking for Vivian and we got out with this woman and my wife getting
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  this feeling that Humphrey Bogart was haunting the place. And we get a phone
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  call from a film historian and he says to me, he says, do
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  you realize that Humphrey Bogart's wife died upstairs at the Fat City Cafe. I
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  said, no, her name was Myo Metheit. That was her name,
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  Myo Methitt. They called them the Dueling Bogarts because she was married to Humphrey
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  Bogart and they had a violent relationship, even a relationship where she shot it
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  in the stomach with a gun. She loved Humphrey Bogart, but they couldn't
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  get along, so she ended up moving to a flop house which was above
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  the restaurant, and she drank herself to death. So we went into the
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  idea that Vivian was going to be there. All these other people were saying,
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  we got Vivian, we got Vivian. But then they didn't take time
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  to listen to what the ghosts have to say. They just ah, I've
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  got an EVP, Yay, we got this. No, you take the
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  time to listen to what the ghosts have to say, and then you finally
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  realize that there may be some history to that. Luckily, we have that
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  film historian listening to the program, and so now when you go to Fat
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  City, they actually have a picture that is dedicated to Mile Methods saying that
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  her ghost haunts the restaurant. No more is it Vivian. It's mile method
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  because we went through the painstaking idea of investigating listening, and eventually we came
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  in contact with somebody who knew the history of the building and that Humphrey Bogart's
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  wife, first wife, ended up dying there, and that was one of
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  the most amazing ghosts haunts. Iver was a part of. Yeah, that's
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  incredible, even to the point where they put a plaque of seeing the Humphrey
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  Boguard haunts the haunts the place. That's really incredible. And speaking of the
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  paranormal and the unexplained, you were recently a part of this Netflix series of
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  Files of the Unexplained, which I believe was Netflix's most watched docuseries of all
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  time, and you were in episode number seven talking about the toxic blobs of
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  Oakville, Washington in nineteen ninety four, which I was kind of surprised that
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  I had never heard of that before, and I knew about all the other
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  ones that they showed in the docuseries besides the feat episode, but this reminded
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  me of a few other events. But for the people that have no idea
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  what we're talking about here, could you briefly explain what happened with these toxic
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  blobs that rained down on Oakville, Washington. Not the toxic blobs in Washington,
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  DC. Now that's a whole other story that will leave for another time.
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  But Oakville, Washington State blobs. Well. One of the things about
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  this series that I was involved with, the people were so wonderful, and
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  I want to give kudos to them. They did a great job with it.
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  They came to me pretty much because I did a story about the Blob,
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  which was a sort of a fun Halloween show that I did about the
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  real blob and what it was. And I don't know people realize that the
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  Blob is based on a true story. It's, of course it's loose with
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  the facts, but it's based on a story about two police officers, I
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  believe it was in Philadelphia who they got word that something had crashed. They
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  saw this big bright light in the sky came down and crashed, and when
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  they went to investigate it, they saw what looked like some sort of red
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  jelly that was on the ground in the hole where this thing came down,
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  And so they called back to the station and they said it's nothing. It
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  was a meteor or something crashed here. But there was a red jelly that
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  we saw that was bubbling, and we didn't want to get near it because
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  it looked kind of bizarre. And as the police officers on the phone,
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  he sees the telephone pole and the red jelly is climbing up the telephone pole
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  and it freaked them out. Well, the situation in Oakville, Washington,
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  it's not as comical or as scary as that is, but it is again
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  a modern detail of the blow back in the nineties when in Oakville, Washington,
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  there were a number of rain showers that came through that small area,
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  rural area that's far away from the ocean but still close enough, and it
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  rained there and they noticed that the rain was kind of like gelatine. It
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  was like a viscous rain. It was like a raining of snot, and
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  they didn't know what to think of it, and they there were some police
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  officers that said that it would smear on the windows, and some of the
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  animals were exposed to it and they ended up dying. And then there were
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  other people that were collecting this stuff because they didn't know what it was,
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  and they thought it needed to be analyze, and uh, the one the
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  one person in the interview that their mother had touched it and she got very
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  ill and she was in the hospital for a long period of time. And
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  uh so she the daughter of this mother, wanted to go and get analysis
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  done on these blobs and come to find out that they were they were human,
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  uh, white blood cells they were in this Uh. And so they
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  were estimating that it could have been you know, blue ice that fell from
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  the area, and no, it wasn't blue. They didn't you know,
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  blue ice of course comes from jet aircraft, but usually jet plane toilets are
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  emptied out of the airport. They're not emptied out over areas. I mean
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  it happens every once in a while, but not always. But uh,
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  they they did a lot of investigation into what it was, and so they
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  found out that it, you know, like I said, white blood cells.
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  They didn't know where it was coming from. And then the military stepped
• 24:07
  in and they said, well, you know, we're thinking that it was
• 24:10
  jellyfish that we blew up stuff in the ocean. We were doing a shambattle
• 24:15
  in the ocean, and we were setting off bombs in that there was a
• 24:18
  rain of jellyfish out. The people take that seriously. That sounds like such
• 24:23
  an outlandish theory, and the jellyfish could explode and then come down in the
• 24:30
  rain. I don't know. Well, here's something to think about. And
• 24:33
  even though I don't buy the jellyfish story, if you're a Fortean, then
• 24:37
  you read Charles Sport. You know that there have been incidences where there have
• 24:41
  been rains of frogs or rains of fish. Now what happens with that is
• 24:45
  is you have water spouts, which are tornadoes that form over the ocean over
• 24:49
  lakes, sucking the frogs and sucking the fish into the sky, throwing them
• 24:55
  into the atmosphere. Then later on over town across the way, there's a
• 24:57
  rain of fish going on, or a rat of frocks. Now that's great.
• 25:03
  If they found that there was a water spot in the ocean sucked up
• 25:06
  a bunch of jellyfish and have them come over Oakville. But Oakville had this
• 25:10
  happen six times. Six storms brought these blobs. So you can't tell me
• 25:17
  that those six times it was jellyfish, because that's a lot of jellyfish to
• 25:22
  be dropping over an area like Oakville. So I would say that It was
• 25:29
  again much like experimentations and gain a function exercises they've done in the past,
• 25:34
  that this is what they've done, this is what they were doing. That
• 25:37
  they were experimenting on a small town, just like they do in Saint Louis.
• 25:41
  In fact, they brought up something that I talked about in the interview.
• 25:44
  They brought a guy in to talk about how they didn't experiment with fog
• 25:48
  in San Francisco, and what they did is they used seration versus sends.
• 25:52
  And there were people that got it because they wanted to figure out if San
• 25:56
  Francisco would be a great vector area for a a biological attack. Well,
• 26:02
  of course it's the Bay Area. I'm sure they could bring a fog in
• 26:03
  that would kill a bunch of people and the fog out again. So they
• 26:07
  did that experiment on people, and some people today still have seratia, just
• 26:11
  like they do gata function exercises with I mean, you hear what doctor Fauci
• 26:15
  had talked about back when they were you know, they were interrogating him over
• 26:18
  COVID. You know, they do this all the time, and it's something
• 26:22
  that scientists, some scientists frown on, but they get they do it they've
• 26:26
  dropped cadmium sulfide over areas like Saint Louis. They did it over Utah.
• 26:30
  In fact, the stand, Stephen King's Stand, was written about an accident
• 26:36
  that happened in Skull Valley where some I guess fertilizer of some kind came out
• 26:44
  of these railcars that derailed and killed a bunch of sheep. Now if that
• 26:48
  would have blown to the north, it would have killed most of Salt Lake
• 26:52
  City. So you know, these things happened. I mean, you look
• 26:56
  at what happened with the what happened in old where the train derailed, and
• 27:03
  there was actually a movie called White Noise. It was made about it,
• 27:06
  uh so, and it was a really good movie. The thing happened,
• 27:10
  So, I mean this stuff that was a wild one. I couldn't believe
• 27:14
  that. I couldn't believe that that happened. And also I think it's interesting
• 27:18
  too because when I was looking into this, I was thinking, well,
• 27:22
  was the harp facility in Alaska in operation during I believe it it was the
• 27:30
  nineties, So yeah, I'm sure it was an operation. Yeah, and
• 27:33
  it kind of sounds like a military operation like most things are. When you
• 27:38
  really look into them are military operations, and Washington State is the state itself
• 27:47
  would be the closest state to in the US the HARP facility in Alaska,
• 27:52
  so it's not there too. I mean they're surrounded by Air Force baces,
• 27:57
  so there are plenty. I mean, they do a lot of in Olympia,
• 28:02
  Washington. They do a lot of electronic weapons tests there. Uh,
• 28:06
  and they've warned people to stay out of that area when they're over the Olympic
• 28:08
  Peninsula. They do a lot of weaponry and so, yeah, they do
• 28:15
  a lot of things there. But I just don't especially with all the scientists
• 28:18
  and what they were saying about it and what they and and how a lot
• 28:21
  of it was covered up, how a lot of the samples were taken from
• 28:25
  scientists. I think I think something you know, was going on, some
• 28:30
  sort of a biological test was going on over Oakville, and they didn't want
• 28:33
  anybody to know. Yeah, because it's interesting. The sample holes were then
• 28:37
  tested so that there was blood cells in them. It was retested so that
• 28:41
  they weren't in there, and then they just lose the samples, right,
• 28:44
  or the samples dissipate or dematerialize or something strange like that, so there's no
• 28:49
  more testing samples of it, and it hasn't happened again for them to get
• 28:52
  more to be able to test it. It's really strange, right event right,
• 28:57
  I mean, it could have been a number of things, but it's
• 29:00
  still a mystery and a lot of the I guess you could call the simple
• 29:03
  explanations they give for this, they don't measure up to scrutiny. They just
• 29:07
  don't. And and yet people will take that, you know, they'll take
• 29:11
  that because they don't want to believe that something hideous or diabolical would be going
• 29:18
  on where you know, American citizens would be tested upon. But yet we
• 29:22
  hear the Tuskegee experiments on on airman getting syphilis injected into them, and the
• 29:27
  fact that they were testing nuclear weapons in Las Vegas, near Las Vegas,
• 29:33
  and the fallout was coming over Saint George, Utah and people were being affected
• 29:37
  by that by the radiation, and they did that for you know, they
• 29:40
  say, well, we're doing it for national security reasons. Well, you
• 29:44
  know, look what happens to all the people who get cancer in those areas
• 29:47
  because they were doing tests for national security reasons. So yeah, don't kid
• 29:49
  yourself. They do these things and they don't care who they are. They
• 29:53
  just do it. That's right now. It's interesting. And we were talking
• 29:59
  about before we started the show about the Yuba County five known as the American
• 30:06
  Diatlov Past Incident, which is also a part of the Netflix docu series that
• 30:11
  you were a part of. I believe that that would have been episode number
• 30:15
  three. I think it was, or maybe it was, yes, episode
• 30:21
  number three file Missing Yuba County five. And this is a really interesting case
• 30:26
  right here. And I had heard about it around six years ago because I
• 30:30
  followed this YouTube channel called Bedtime Stories where they do a bunch of weird and
• 30:34
  creepy, fascinating stories, and I had watched that episode around six years ago,
• 30:40
  and then it just recently came up in this docu series. I thought
• 30:45
  this one was really interesting, and I kind of wanted to get your take
• 30:48
  on it as well, because a lot of people have looked into it and
• 30:52
  they don't know what to think about it. They think it's one of the
• 30:55
  most strange cases that they've ever really looked into, and there's a lot of
• 31:00
  theories out there about it, and Netflix proposes quite a few of those theories
• 31:06
  and a few of those theories come from the family members themselves, as far
• 31:10
  as the one missing gentleman that was never found was the one that was actually
• 31:15
  responsible for killing the boys. And I think another theory was brought to light
• 31:18
  that another group of men caught them on the bridge on the way to the
• 31:25
  mountain there where they were found, and they ended up killing him and throwing
• 31:29
  them off the bridge. The boys were so scared that they ran into the
• 31:32
  mountains. I just wanted to kind of get your thoughts on this whole case.
• 31:36
  Well. One of the things I did is I interviewed the producers of
• 31:40
  the show, and even though this is my favorite episode in the Netflix series,
• 31:47
  I asked them. I said, I was very surprised that they didn't
• 31:52
  take a UFO take on this or an abduction possibility, because it reminded me
• 31:59
  of Travis Walton in a way. It reminded me of the Fire and the
• 32:00
  Sky stories. Just the idea that you know, you have these young men
• 32:07
  who are in the woods, they go to a basketball game, they're coming
• 32:13
  back, they know their way, they've driven it many times. It's not
• 32:16
  a big deal. They do point out, though, that they were emotionally
• 32:20
  challenged or they were mentally challenged in a lot of respects. But what gets
• 32:23
  me is is that, I mean, I was thinking to myself as I
• 32:27
  was watching it, what if something you know, you know how people who
• 32:30
  are you know, you know, or autistic or have mental disabilities, sometimes
• 32:36
  they like shiny things, right, they look they like they get excited about
• 32:40
  seeing, you know, something extraordinary. Hell I do, Okay, if
• 32:45
  I see some shiny thing out there, I'm going to like, well,
• 32:46
  it's a shiny thing, I need to look at it. So I was
• 32:50
  just thinking to myself, well, you know, and they said that they
• 32:52
  were thinking about going that route, but there was no proof to show that,
• 32:54
  but just the idea that here they were. They were driving back and
• 32:58
  then they see something like a UFO and they follow it. And by the
• 33:01
  time they follow it, they realize they're lost. So they get out of
• 33:06
  the car and they're walking around trying to still find this thing, and they
• 33:13
  end up they end up getting lost, they end up getting sick, They
• 33:16
  end up you know, having to stay in the in the that motor home
• 33:21
  or whatever it was. And yeah, I mean, and one of the
• 33:23
  other guys and they end up freezing to have hypothermia. Takes over and see
• 33:29
  and the same type of theories are thrown about by dat loft Pass, whether
• 33:31
  it be they were attacked by some alien force or maybe there was a yetty
• 33:39
  out there that ripped them to shreds or whatever. I mean, there were
• 33:43
  so many different scenarios. I mean, the practical ones make sense about the
• 33:47
  idea that they could have been abducted. They could have I mean abducted by
• 33:51
  a human group of guys that wanted to make light hell for them, you
• 33:54
  know, and that that certainly is something to think about. But I was
• 33:59
  just thinking that it just ruck me as being more paranormal than normal. And
• 34:04
  of course my brain traveled to that area where you know, maybe they saw
• 34:07
  something, because I know that there. You know, there have been stories
• 34:12
  about human abductions where people have died or they've been mutilated like cows, and
• 34:21
  and so I I that's one of the stories that a lot of uifologists and
• 34:24
  others don't want to go to. They want to ignore that whole subject.
• 34:29
  I've brought that up several times the speakers of conferences and stuff that do talks
• 34:32
  on cattle mutilations, and I walk up there and I'm like, hey,
• 34:36
  cattle mutilations are one thing. What about these human mutilations, and they don't
• 34:39
  want to talk about those, They don't even want to go there. But
• 34:42
  I had just had Trey Hudson on recently. He was a retired god and
• 34:47
  he brought up the instances that he knew of and the documentation and the autopsy
• 34:52
  of human mutilations, and people don't know what to think about that. They
• 34:58
  really don't. They're like because again, it's like one thing with cattle.
• 35:01
  Cattle is you know, you can remove yourself from cattle, But with something
• 35:07
  that's threatening humans, that's a completely different story. Yeah. I mean the
• 35:13
  first known abduction that I heard about, well the mutilation was in Brazil,
• 35:17
  where a man was mutilated in Brazil. And then you heard that story about
• 35:22
  what they called the face peelers. I think that's in Peru. So there's
• 35:28
  a lot of stories about these very vicious, bloodthirsty aliens or bloodthirsty creatures that
• 35:34
  are in South America. But there have been stories about like I remember reading
• 35:38
  a story once about a UFO that chased a blood bank van that it was
• 35:45
  carrying blood that was donated, and so they're chasing and then the idea that
• 35:51
  and a lot of people dismissed this that there was one time where there was
• 35:55
  a crashed saucer and what they found on the saucer was what they called uh
• 36:01
  hima what do they call it, hima digestives where they were they were dealing
• 36:08
  with uh digested blood, human blood, cow blood that was on these spaceships.
• 36:16
  Just the idea that maybe, uh, these aliens are carnivorous and that
• 36:22
  they they use us for food or they use us for some kind of uh
• 36:28
  they breed us for food, they take ourselves, they they breed us,
• 36:30
  they take us back to their planet and they have plenty of food to eat
• 36:34
  when they take us back, or they take the cells back. I mean,
• 36:37
  you know who had the theory. You know who had the theory from
• 36:40
  way back You just mentioned him earlier, which was Charles Fort. He was
• 36:45
  one of the first people that talked about that in the in the twenties were
• 36:49
  like a farm for these extraterrestrials, and people like Jeremy Corbel and other people
• 36:58
  was in the community of like copy that and taken that and turned it into
• 37:02
  like their own thing, like it's something new and it's not anything new.
• 37:07
  That's something that's been talked about since the twenties with with Charles fort. Yes
• 37:12
  see, my fourteen in mind gets the best of me when I'm thinking.
• 37:15
  I used to say this on the air. I'd say things like, well,
• 37:16
  the aliens aren't here to save us, They're here to eat us.
• 37:20
  I've been quoted. Is that is that I truly believe that, and that
• 37:22
  you know, I'm worried that you know they're gonna eat me first because I'm
• 37:25
  fat, But no, it's just the fa You're a big bone, That's
• 37:30
  what it is, big boned. Yes, I'm just saying that, you
• 37:34
  know, what else would they want us for? I mean, look,
• 37:37
  there are things that our planet has that can be found anywhere in the universe.
• 37:44
  We have water, I'm sure that oxygen exists somewhere else. I'm sure
• 37:47
  all these things exist. But one of the things that don't is blood and
• 37:54
  the enzymes and things that they find in blood and chlorophyll or yeah, chlorophyll.
• 38:00
  Chlorophyll is one of these things that trees make. So between the chlorophyll
• 38:05
  and the blood, those would be two things. Maybe gold, I don't
• 38:08
  know. Those are the things that aliens would you know, want from us.
• 38:14
  They certainly, I mean, look, they can get there all all
• 38:15
  kinds of water everywhere else, but I mean, we're full of water.
• 38:20
  But it's just the idea that what resources would an alien want they, I
• 38:25
  mean, they certainly don't want to take over, so they may see us
• 38:30
  as just dumb cattle that they come down every once in a while and pluck
• 38:34
  away everyone's you know, it's plucking us away one by one. Like Ford
• 38:37
  said, it's like we're all in this cupboard. They open the cupboard,
• 38:39
  they take us out, and they throw us away. And I don't have
• 38:45
  a problem with that. I think that you know, what they say was
• 38:49
  that Shakespeare says, as flies to wanton boy sore, are we to the
• 38:52
  gods? They use us for their pleasure? Yeah, look at look at
• 38:57
  the histories, Look at the Bible, look at you know, look at
• 38:59
  what they wanted with the gods wanted in the Bible. They wanted blood sacrifices.
• 39:05
  Now, why do they want blood sacrifices? Why why must the flesh
• 39:08
  be cut and bled in such a way that the gods are pleased by that?
• 39:14
  Okay, remember Cain and Abel. Remember what happened in the Bible with
• 39:16
  Cana and Abel. Cain gave, well, Cain gave God an agra sacrifice.
• 39:25
  He gave him his his grains and his and grass and other things that
• 39:30
  he killed. And God said, no, I want to I want a
• 39:36
  blood sacrifice. I want blood. So what did Cain do? Killed Abel?
• 39:39
  There's my blood sacrifice. Have a good day. That's that's been a
• 39:44
  part of our history for a long time. It's the part of Jewish history.
• 39:47
  It's a part of a lot of histories to basically give blood sacrifices to
• 39:52
  the gods and the gods. Yeah, the question here is what kind of
• 39:58
  god needs blood sacrifices or wants blood sacrifices right now? Hungry God, a
• 40:02
  god that loves the human flesh. God that you know, and think of
• 40:07
  the altars back in the day. You know, you look at the altars
• 40:09
  and the way they were put together to burn cattle or sheep or whatever.
• 40:14
  They look like habachis. It's like, you know, God wants a barbecue.
• 40:19
  The aliens want a barbecue. They want to eat the flesh that is
• 40:22
  seared and burned as an offering to the gods. And it's like, well,
• 40:28
  would you why would you want to serve a god that that would do
• 40:32
  that to other human beings. That's that would be the next question, right
• 40:36
  right, Well, I mean what about uh you look at Bail, you
• 40:40
  look at Mullich, those gods, and they were given sacrifices all the time
• 40:47
  because of why they worried the sun wasn't going to return. So they make
• 40:52
  a deal with this horned god. And the deal is is, hey,
• 40:55
  bring your kids, We're all going to have a big sacrifice. You know,
• 41:00
  I don't never understand why blood. Blood sacrifice, bloodlines, even vampire
• 41:07
  tales have all been part of our lives for centuries, maybe even millennia.
• 41:14
  I mean, the vampires go back to ancient Egypt, the blood suckers,
• 41:19
  the flesh eaters. So and you know, we were commanded somewhere in the
• 41:24
  Old Testament that we should need flesh. So who knows me we were eating
• 41:27
  flesh the whole time, and nobody talked about it. And the idea of
• 41:30
  ambrosia was the nectar of the gods. Ambrosia was blood. And that's the
• 41:37
  thing that scares me about if we find this out about our ancestors. I
• 41:42
  mean, okay, and what was the ultimate what is the ultimate thing that
• 41:45
  religion is about, especially Christian religion, the blood sacrifice of an unblemished man,
• 41:52
  a man without sin. Why is I mean blood plays a part in
• 41:58
  our religious too, So why is that? It's because the drinking of the
• 42:01
  blood, taking of the flesh. Yep, it's because it was a part
• 42:07
  so rich lives and it was a part of what the gods wanted. And
• 42:09
  if the aliens or the gods, the aliens are carnivorous, then they want
• 42:14
  human flesh or they want flesh, whether it be animal or human. That's
• 42:16
  why they mutilate cows. That's why they abduct humans, is because that has
• 42:22
  been the deal that has been made for millennia. And I know this is
• 42:27
  I think you didn't want it to go this way, but the interview going
• 42:30
  this way, but certainly it's something to think about. I didn't even think
• 42:34
  it was gonna go this way. Something to think about with regard to the
• 42:37
  aliens and what they may want from us. Yeah. Well, I think
• 42:44
  the first thing that you would have to really prove. I mean, you
• 42:46
  know, speculation is great and theories are great. I think the first thing
• 42:51
  that you would really have to prove to make these conclusions possible is if extraterrestrials
• 42:57
  and aliens really even exist, and as far as I know, there's zero
• 43:02
  evidence and zero proof that they even exist, that to our knowledge, of
• 43:07
  course, And people really get upset with me whenever I say that, But
• 43:12
  there really isn't It seems like it's a lot of stories, a lot of
• 43:16
  fairy tales, a lot of things that have no proof and no evidence behind
• 43:22
  them, but are taken as fact and truth when you know we can't really
• 43:28
  improve it. It's good to theorize, it's good to dig into why we
• 43:31
  have mythologies the way we have them. I mean, you know, when
• 43:35
  people are talking about reptilians, okay, and they were saying that there are
• 43:39
  humans that are reptilians that are among us, that's all based on old fairy
• 43:45
  tales as well. I mean you look at something like what the frog prince.
• 43:50
  So the frog comes to this young maiden and says, oh, by
• 43:52
  the way, I'm a prince. If you let me sleep with you,
• 43:58
  I'll give you not only this goal on this crystal ball, but if you
• 44:01
  kiss me, I'll turn into a prince. So that basically says so,
• 44:05
  oh, okay, So royals have our reptiles or their amphibians, or there's
• 44:08
  something the idea of the lizard like creature telling a young woman to kiss him
• 44:14
  so that he can show that he's also a prince. I mean that kind
• 44:16
  of stuff. It's like I always do this story about how The Exorcist,
• 44:23
  the movie The Exorcist reminded me of Little Red riding Hood, that moment where
• 44:29
  Father Karis comes in and he says, Reagan, is there something in there
• 44:32
  with you? Reagan? Is there something going on with you? Reagan?
• 44:36
  It's just like Grandma, what big eyes do you have? Grandma? What
• 44:42
  big teeth do you have? Why Grandma was possessed by the devil? Grandma
• 44:46
  was possessed by the beast? And what was it that Little Red writing?
• 44:51
  Who is bringing Grandma bread and wine? They wanted her to take the sacrament
• 44:54
  so that she would not be full of the devil, But they got there
• 44:59
  too late, because the devil that already possessed Grandma. Her eyes were that
• 45:02
  of a wolf, her teeth were that of a vampire and a wolf,
• 45:06
  and then she attacked the young Little Red riding Hood. And that's the story.
• 45:10
  But it's just the idea that Grandma was possessed by a beast, and
• 45:14
  the little red riding Hood attempted to give her the sacrament so she could be
• 45:19
  rid of his beast. And that was the whole idea behind his story.
• 45:22
  That's how I see it. It's a tale of werewolf ism. It's a
• 45:25
  tale of vampirism. It's a tale that eating the flesh and blood of a
• 45:30
  god protects you from the vampires. The cross protection from the vampires. The
• 45:34
  blood of Christ protects you from the vampires. It's just a tale that gets
• 45:38
  told over and over again. So where do we get that? Where do
• 45:42
  we get that idea that there were vampires? When do we get that idea
• 45:44
  that there are werewolves? They have to have been in existence at some time
• 45:47
  or another, or they've disappeared and we'll never see them again. But I
• 45:52
  have a feeling that maybe there are people out there with beasts like tendencies,
• 45:57
  because think about what monsters are. You know what monsters are. Monsters are
• 46:00
  people who stop pretending and remember that they stop pretending, and that's why they
• 46:07
  become monsters. I think in a lot of cases human beings can be considered
• 46:13
  monsters for sure. I mean, just look at the history of the United
• 46:17
  States and how much savagery the United States has perpetuated upon a lot of different
• 46:24
  countries and upon our own people. Now, I kind of want to get
• 46:29
  back to the Jubi City five tail in theory because there's another story that you
• 46:38
  may or may not be familiar with that I've looked into that's really interesting,
• 46:43
  and it's the Kamar Duban incident, which happened in Russia in nineteen ninety three,
• 46:50
  where six members of a seven person hiking group fell to the ground and
• 46:58
  starting convolsiing and eating from their ears and their nose and their mouth, and
• 47:01
  they ultimately passed away. And the only difference between this event and the Dyahlav
• 47:09
  pass event was that there was a survivor of this event, and her name
• 47:15
  was Valentina order Chenko, and she survived by running down the mountain. She
• 47:21
  was in the forest and in the mountains by herself for like two days until
• 47:25
  she ran to the stream and she found these people on a kayak and then
• 47:31
  they got her and then they took her to a police station and she gave
• 47:35
  her police statement about what happened to her friends up on this mountain in Kamara
• 47:43
  Duban and she said that there's weird weather anomalies with a lot of these cases.
• 47:50
  Have you realized that, Clyde, that a lot of these missing people
• 47:52
  and these strange events, there's always some strange, weird weather anomaly. And
• 47:57
  as they were hiking up this mountain, they they decided to descend back down
• 48:00
  the mountain because the weather was getting really bad and they were in the single
• 48:04
  file line hiking back down the mountain. As the gentleman in the very back
• 48:08
  of the group collapsed and fell to his knees. He was convulsive, bleeding
• 48:13
  out of his eyes, ears, nose, and mouth. The leader of
• 48:15
  the group went to him, she started experiencing the exact same type of symptoms.
• 48:20
  She told the rest of them to go down the mountain to get the
• 48:23
  shelter and start a fire so that they can keep themselves warm. They hear
• 48:29
  her screaming, they run back up and then get close to her, and
• 48:32
  then they all start having the exact same experience as two of them start taking
• 48:36
  off their clothes rolling around on the ground. One girl even strikes her head
• 48:42
  against the rock multiple times until she had died. And this case is one
• 48:49
  of the more interesting because again it has a survivor, and I think that
• 48:52
  that's some of the most interesting ones, especially when it comes to the missing
• 48:57
  four one one people. Is some of the most interesting stories are from the
• 49:01
  survivors of these things because you actually know what it happened. And I find
• 49:07
  that case similar to the Dah Love Pass case in this Jubi City five.
• 49:14
  Yeah, that left Pass is still something that I need to read more about.
• 49:19
  I just find it just completely a terror. It's just a terrifying story.
• 49:24
  The one that you just talked about was a terrifying story as well.
• 49:29
  In fact, uh gosh, what was the name of that TV show that
• 49:32
  just came out with Jodie Foster. They re enacted that for the Jodie Foster
• 49:37
  TV show that there was just in Alaska where a group of scientists all went
• 49:42
  out and they ended up missing or True Detective, True Detective. Yeah.
• 49:46
  In fact, they weren't even going to continue as the True Detective story.
• 49:50
  They wanted to make it stand on its own, but they put the True
• 49:52
  Detective thing on top of it to make it watch so people would watch it.
• 49:57
  But it was based on that Love Pass. It was based on you
• 50:00
  know, how does this happen? How do these strange things happen. How
• 50:02
  I mean, I'm sure they take off their clothes because of the hypothermia,
• 50:06
  because there gets to a point where you get so cold, you feel warm
• 50:09
  and your body is responding to it. But the idea of just falling down
• 50:15
  and going into convulsions and being sick, there's something about that and it.
• 50:20
  You know, when I think about it, I think of electromagnetic pulse.
• 50:24
  That you know, if we ever have an electromagnetic pulse, we would feel
• 50:28
  that way. That's why when you read about EMP, when you read about
• 50:32
  how EMP happens, you will feel an EMP because the magnetic field is going
• 50:37
  to change around you, and that's going to wreak havoc on your mind.
• 50:40
  It's going to recavoc on your body. Your body responds to electromagnetic electromagnetic power.
• 50:47
  We're all electromagnetic, So if electromagnetic field is disrupted in any way,
• 50:52
  you're gonna feel sick. That's why when people when earthquakes happen, a lot
• 50:57
  of people talk about how they don't studies to show that people before an earthquake
• 51:04
  happens, people crave things like popcorn, they buy roll aids because their stomachs
• 51:10
  are acting up. They feel sick. And the reason why is because the
• 51:14
  magnetic field under the planet is about to shoot a bolt of lightning through it.
• 51:19
  And when that big bolt of lightning hits, that's when the earthquake takes
• 51:22
  place. And so you're feeling that electromagnetic current changing and you think, I
• 51:29
  want popcorn, want I want something to take care of the way my stomach
• 51:34
  feels. I feel hungry, or I feel a pit in my stomach,
• 51:37
  or I feel and so you're popping the my lanter or you're popping the roll
• 51:39
  aids and you're wondering why am I so, Or you're feeling dizzy, or
• 51:44
  you're hearing tones in your ears. That's because there's a magnetic flux. It's
• 51:46
  changing and if it hits you hard enough, it'll make you double over and
• 51:51
  throw up. And I think a lot of people don't realize that that's what's
• 51:55
  going to happen if you have a pull shift. I mean, if you
• 51:59
  read Charles have Good he talks about just exactly how it's going to affect the
• 52:02
  human body. I mean, pacemakers will go fluey, people's hearts will go
• 52:06
  nuts, they could have immediate psychosis. These are things could happen if a
• 52:10
  magnetic field freaks out on you. And that's why, you know, I
• 52:15
  always think about, like gatlov Pass, I think of what you just talked
• 52:17
  about. I think of the pulse that could have happened. They created them
• 52:22
  to, you know, feel that way, and it feel like they had
• 52:24
  to run because they felt like all of this electricity rolling through their bodies,
• 52:30
  so they didn't know what to do about it. Sorry, I lost your
• 52:37
  sound. Are you muted? You're muted? My bad. They've been cough
• 52:44
  coughing a little bit, so I've been trying to make it to where I
• 52:45
  don't hear me coughing. Oh. This is the Wikipedia page for the Camara
• 52:51
  Duban incident. There's not a lot about this case. I actually learned the
• 52:54
  keys from watching any documentary on HBO which had the survive of a Valentino Orderchenko
• 53:00
  on there giving her testimony of what happened. But according to Wikipedia nineteen ninety
• 53:06
  three incidents, six members of a seven person hiking group led by Ludmilla Corvinia
• 53:10
  died in a mysterious circumstances in nineteen ninety three. Valentina order Chenko was the
• 53:15
  only survivor, despite the police receiving a report, and no former search was
• 53:19
  carried out until August twenty fourth. It took two days for the helicopters to
• 53:22
  locate the remains of Valentina because Valentina had not yet been able to recount her
• 53:29
  version of what happened. According to the autopsy report, all of them except
• 53:34
  Lumilla, would have had a heart attack, were found to be died of
• 53:39
  hypothermia. What's interesting is I think that this happened in the spring, so
• 53:45
  I guess it depends on how cold it. I'm sure it's probably pretty cold
• 53:51
  in Russia during this. Well, you've heard, like, for example,
• 53:53
  when birds the dead bird stories, they fly in as something that's like a
• 53:59
  wall, and then they drop and when they drop the uh. There have
• 54:04
  been people who've seen them drop when they run up to them and they look
• 54:08
  at them and they notice that either one of two things have happened. Their
• 54:13
  hearts have exploded or their lungs are bleeding. So something is going on there
• 54:19
  where some electromagnetic current or something pushes on the chest or pushes on the body
• 54:27
  where you will either crush the lungs, bruise the lungs or explode the heart.
• 54:31
  And like I say, whenever there's an electromagnetic current or where you know,
• 54:36
  when electromach you get exposed to a very very very harsh magnetic current,
• 54:40
  people have heart attacks, people have strokes, and I think that that could
• 54:49
  very well. I mean, sure, if you're standing there and you feel
• 54:51
  electromagnetic current and you drop, of course you're going to die of hypothermia because
• 54:54
  you're not gonna be able to take care of yourself because your heart is you
• 54:58
  know, having an arrhythmia, or you can't breathe because your lungs have been
• 55:01
  seared or whatever. I could easily see that as being an electromagnetic pulse from
• 55:07
  the Sun, or electromagnetic pulse from maybe HARP or some other electromagnetic machine that
• 55:16
  they have, maybe at China Lake or someplace like that. I mean,
• 55:20
  I know that the Russians and the Chinese have Suru, and so Surah does
• 55:23
  their does their stuff. So you got HARP and you've got sourra, and
• 55:28
  soura can do the same thing as heart, maybe maybe worse. It's interesting
• 55:32
  how they they're like, oh, yeah, these people died of like hypothermia,
• 55:36
  but they don't explain the reason why they would have died from hypothera thermia.
• 55:40
  Why did six very experienced hikers that would do this hike all the time
• 55:45
  die from hypothermia. It doesn't make any sense, Like they leave out the
• 55:51
  part. Yeah, that might have been the actual cause of death whenever you
• 55:54
  found them. But what was it that caused them to die from hypothermia?
• 56:00
  You know? In this documentary that I learned this information from on HBO,
• 56:05
  of course, it was a Bigfoot documentary and they related the incident to Bigfoot,
• 56:09
  that that Bigfoot amidst this, I think they caught it ultrasonic sound or
• 56:15
  infrared sound or something like that that paralyzed these people and made them fall to
• 56:22
  the ground and start convulsing. Yeah yeah, I mean, just think about
• 56:30
  what you read about too. Let's go back to the Bible where you read
• 56:31
  about how the Arc of the Covenant went into the tabernacle, and they were
• 56:36
  saying the Arc of the Covenant had so much power behind it, so much
• 56:38
  magnetic power that anyone who came within like so many feet it would just drop
• 56:42
  dead or they dropped to their knees in pain. And it's because whatever this
• 56:46
  capacitor was or whatever they created had enough power to just drop whoever got near
• 56:52
  it. Some character named us that touched it and was electrocuted right there on
• 56:54
  the spot. So whatever it was, some electromagnetic force, the force of
• 57:00
  you know, lightning or electromagnetic force has brought people down before you know we
• 57:07
  have. I've talked about the South Atlantic anomal or sorry, the North Atlantic
• 57:10
  anomaly, no, South Atlantic anomaly many times on my program, where this
• 57:15
  anomaly keeps going around Africa, Yemen, Aid in all these areas, and
• 57:24
  they're saying it's because it's the thin nature. It is a thinner part of
• 57:28
  the magnetic field. And when it happens, people feel weird. They feel
• 57:30
  like time has stopped. They feel like there's a vortex of electromagnetic energy around
• 57:35
  them. It's called an eddy and they compare it to a black hole.
• 57:38
  That there are many eddies in the ocean. There are many eddies on the
• 57:42
  planet where electromagnetic current goes and flows like a like a tornado, and a
• 57:46
  lot of strange things happen. You'll never see it. These electromagnetic energy is
• 57:52
  invisible, but you'll think were those eddies responsible for throwing those jellyfish up in
• 57:58
  Washington four? No way, you can just you know, you can speculate
• 58:02
  all you can. I don't know, you know, anything's possible this earth.
• 58:07
  This Earth is like full of surprises. I mean, if you read
• 58:09
  a lot of the Fortian you know Fortean information, You read H. G.
• 58:15
  Wells, you read all these different people that were living in the eighteen
• 58:20
  hundreds and then in the nineteen hundreds. Some of the theories they had,
• 58:22
  they're outrageous, but you know a lot of them. You know, you
• 58:24
  look at Vilakowski, you know when he wrote about the electromagnetic theories about the
• 58:30
  planet and whether or not it's not gravity but magnetics that hold us here.
• 58:34
  Well, you think about you know, what is our blood, it's it's
• 58:37
  made, it's got iron and ferrous and everything. Maybe we are magnetically adhere
• 58:42
  to this planet because of our magnetic because of what's in our bodies, you
• 58:45
  know, saltwater and ferris. It's just interesting to explore, it's interesting to
• 58:52
  expand the mind. I think there's nothing wrong with that. It doesn't harm
• 58:54
  people. But we've got to be careful and we have to understand what he
• 59:00
  is and what fact is. At the moment. Now you can use theory
• 59:04
  to challenge facts. That's fine, but make sure that you don't lose yourself
• 59:08
  in something that is gonna take you nowhere by just overthinking it and overdoing it.
• 59:15
  Lose yourself in the in the theories there. But it's interesting you said,
• 59:19
  Uh, you gotta Eddie and you gotta YERI Eddie and yea, they're
• 59:25
  probably street characters before you know it. Eddie and Yet Eddie and YETI maybe.
• 59:31
  Uh, there's this other incident that I wanted to get your thoughts on
• 59:37
  that happened in Illinois. And I'm sure you're familiar with this because you're familiar
• 59:44
  with the Mothsman and a lot of the big bird sightings in the United States,
• 59:49
  and that's the Lawndale incident, or if you're familiar with the Lawndell incident
• 59:53
  where this boy in uh ELLINOI was picked up by this thunderbird. Yeah,
• 1:00:01
  I thought it was a I was remembering it a lot late chooses story,
• 1:00:06
  but it changed over time that I that it was a thunderbird. It was
• 1:00:10
  the child was picked up. I think it happened back in what was it,
• 1:00:15
  ninety seven, seventy seven, Okay, it was seventy seven, and
• 1:00:21
  this happened and I just know a little bit of the story because I mean,
• 1:00:25
  it's it's you know, it's like Mothman and several other stories like that.
• 1:00:30
  But I just remember that it reminded me of a Lalay Chooses story,
• 1:00:37
  or the or the white Owl story, the big White Owl that it flies
• 1:00:42
  it's a it's a it's a Latino story. But the Big White Owl story
• 1:00:45
  is more along the lines of witchcraft and the idea that the white owl is
• 1:00:50
  actually a woman that is a a shape shifter. So that's what I was
• 1:00:55
  thinking the Lowndelle listener was about. But I mean, I could be correct
• 1:00:59
  that, I could be wrong. I just that's all I remember about the
• 1:01:02
  incident. What do you know about it? Well, just you know,
• 1:01:07
  based on this article. It's it's just really interesting how these i mean a
• 1:01:12
  bird is big enough to pick up this ten year old Marlon Lowe that you
• 1:01:16
  know, was outside of his you know, family home and just playing outside
• 1:01:21
  with friends, and apparently these two giant birds passed over and one came down
• 1:01:27
  and grabbed a boy and apparently carried him for a few feet. And it
• 1:01:31
  wasn't until his mother came out and started yelling and screaming at the bird that
• 1:01:36
  the bird finally dropped him, and there was a bunch of witnesses to it.
• 1:01:42
  There was like seven family members that was there that witness the same event.
• 1:01:45
  They all say the exact same thing happened, and people tended not to
• 1:01:51
  really believe the story. And it was the bird. I remember, like
• 1:01:53
  I say, Lali Tusa is all I think about here the owl, the
• 1:01:58
  huge owl. It had white it was white feathered or white necked or white
• 1:02:04
  something. Yeah, it was white necked. It had uh it had like
• 1:02:09
  a long white neck, the long curled beaks and supposedly wingspans of ten or
• 1:02:17
  more feet. Like these birds gotta be freaking huge, which that's kind of
• 1:02:22
  sort of what people talk about the mothman is having as well in West Virginia
• 1:02:28
  that you know, wingspan that's ten or more feet and it's just coincidence,
• 1:02:34
  right that these you know, do these giant birds really exist? I mean,
• 1:02:38
  who knows. I mean, we have the Native American legend of the
• 1:02:43
  you know, the thunderbird, and uh, it even goes further back than
• 1:02:46
  that with the part para parasol bird or pios al bird is what it's called
• 1:02:52
  piasol bird where these Native Americans, which kind of released to what we were
• 1:02:57
  talking about earlier, would give human syck to this pisol bird for the bird
• 1:03:02
  to leave them alone and stop killing their tribe. What I enjoy is hearing
• 1:03:07
  the stories about the gargola, the gargoyl that a lot of Native American,
• 1:03:14
  Native American and Latin American countries say that they see thunderbird or the gargola,
• 1:03:22
  which is see it looks like a gargoy sort of a winged demon, long
• 1:03:25
  wingspan and it flies around. And I remember seeing video a long time ago
• 1:03:31
  where I think it was in Puerto Rico, where somebody was filming outside.
• 1:03:37
  They had the street lights and then there was a huge shadow that came over
• 1:03:42
  the street and they said it was the gargola. It said something huge with
• 1:03:45
  a huge wingspan flew over the lights and basically scared them, and they said
• 1:03:49
  it was the gargola, and I just I just fell in love with that
• 1:03:51
  story. Mothman, anything that flies over me, they can attack me,
• 1:03:57
  scares the hell out of me, and so I have a fascination with that.
• 1:04:00
  So Mothman has always been I don't know, have you ever seen the
• 1:04:02
  movie Mimic The movie mimic is terrifying for those who believe the Mothman, who
• 1:04:09
  believe the moth Man's real, because these aren't moths. These are cockroaches that
• 1:04:13
  are huge that are that basically mimic human humans, and they look like humans
• 1:04:17
  until they start flapping their wings and start picking up babies. But you know,
• 1:04:21
  just the idea of something flying over me that has an exoskeleton that's going
• 1:04:27
  to pick me up scares the holy hell out of me. I don't know
• 1:04:30
  why. It's like a jumping spider. I mean, I'm glad I don't
• 1:04:33
  live near the cicadas. I probably freak out because I just I think insects
• 1:04:38
  that do that, that like to bug you are the ones that I fear
• 1:04:41
  most. The ones that bug you, I mean literally want to crawl down
• 1:04:44
  your pants, or crawl up your face, or land on you and shove
• 1:04:48
  needles in your skin. Those are scary for anybody. I have a theory
• 1:04:55
  about the moth Man that I want to run by you really quickly because I'm
• 1:05:00
  from Point Pleasant in West Virginia and a lot of the residents during the month
• 1:05:08
  Man sidings, they were really frightened because apparently the men in Black showed up.
• 1:05:13
  They kind of threatened a lot of the witnesses and a lot of the
• 1:05:15
  families surrounding the seeing the Mothman. And it wasn't long after that that the
• 1:05:25
  well, I mean, from what we know about the men in Black,
• 1:05:27
  they normally come to you with like an ultimatum. Now regardless of you know,
• 1:05:31
  if you think that there's some extraterrestrial force or some non human force,
• 1:05:36
  or if you believe that they're the government, right, doesn't really matter.
• 1:05:40
  They normally come to you and be like, hey, stop talking about this,
• 1:05:44
  or something bad is going to happen. That's normally what they say.
• 1:05:46
  From the incidents going back all the way to the Murray Island incident in Washington
• 1:05:50
  State, now not long after the Mothman sightings, and people were really furious
• 1:05:57
  about the moth Man sidings and point pleasant and a lot of people don't really
• 1:06:00
  know about that. It really had the town in an uproar. It had
• 1:06:04
  the people of the town were going out in the ten area with pitchforks and
• 1:06:10
  freaking flaming sticks, and they were trying to hunt down whatever this creature was.
• 1:06:15
  Because it's one of the most documented creatures cryptozoology creatures in the history of
• 1:06:20
  the United States. Several police reports written about it, and it's not long
• 1:06:26
  after that that the Silver Bridge came down. And magically, after the Silver
• 1:06:31
  Bridge came down, no one ever saw the moth Man again, And I
• 1:06:39
  think that that's pretty suspicious. I think that's weird. They were seeing this
• 1:06:43
  creature for a really long time. Men in Black, they get a visit
• 1:06:45
  from the Men in Black. The Men in Black are, you know,
• 1:06:47
  probably like, hey, stop talking about the moth Man. Something bad or
• 1:06:50
  something bad is going to happen. And then it turns out something bad did
• 1:06:55
  happen. It's the biggest bridge collapse in US history. Now, my theory
• 1:07:01
  that I propose is that it seems like a high possibility, and I talked
• 1:07:08
  about this on Ryan Gables show The Secret Teachings as well, and I'm the
• 1:07:12
  only person that I've ever heard come up with this theory is that it's possible
• 1:07:18
  that the Silverbridge collapse was done on purpose, that they purposefully brought down the
• 1:07:26
  Silver Bridge and there possibly could have been something real to the Mothman and the
• 1:07:33
  tragedy of the Silver Bridge collapse and everyone being in an uproar of their family
• 1:07:38
  members and their friends and people dying. That gave whatever amount of time for
• 1:07:45
  whoever to go out into the t inter area and take care of the mothman.
• 1:07:48
  Now that's under the assumption that the mothman is real, like that is
• 1:07:54
  a real phenomenon, right, But it seems like a plausible theory. Do
• 1:08:00
  you think of that theory? Don't to hear my theory? Yeah, I
• 1:08:03
  like your theory. Do I hear my theory? The people to point pleasant
• 1:08:06
  were dosed. I believe they were dosed, that the water supply was dosed
• 1:08:13
  with LSD or something that created the mothman. That whatever the mothman was,
• 1:08:19
  they were seeing the mothman, they were dosed in the water supply. And
• 1:08:24
  this is why when the men in black were going if you remember the men
• 1:08:27
  in black, one door to door, and what did they do when they
• 1:08:28
  went door to door? They told people, you didn't see anything, but
• 1:08:30
  here's something that will help you deal with that. They handed them pills,
• 1:08:34
  they handed them drugs, and they had the drugs analyzed and they found out
• 1:08:39
  they were the same drugs they give to people for urinary tract infections. Now,
• 1:08:43
  why would they give them drugs that would treat urinary tract infections unless there's
• 1:08:47
  something in the water that would harm the kidneys and the bladder. So that's
• 1:08:55
  my theory is that that probably they do. And I believe that, yes,
• 1:08:59
  they brought down the ridge on purpose, but it was to break the
• 1:09:03
  It was to break the trip that everybody was on. They needed something to
• 1:09:08
  reverse bring people back to reality. Yeah, bring them back to reality,
• 1:09:13
  you know, and everything is when you think about the moth Man, and
• 1:09:15
  what a lot of people don't realize is that the Mothman happened around the same
• 1:09:18
  time Fantasia came out in theaters. Okay, and Fantasia of course has Kernunos,
• 1:09:26
  or it has the they call him Sernunos, the big Night on Bald
• 1:09:32
  Mountain scene where they had the wings of this huge demon that they patterned after
• 1:09:42
  Bella Lagosi. And some people claim that what had happened is that the people
• 1:09:45
  who saw that that movie were the ones that were affected most by the Mothman
• 1:09:51
  sighting because they remembered in their subconscious and the moth Man is a subconscious manifestation
• 1:09:58
  of that character in the f in Tasian movie. So I don't know that's
• 1:10:03
  that's a weird theory. That was one of my theories. But it's just
• 1:10:05
  the idea that you know, something like LSD or some It was like another
• 1:10:11
  gain of function exercise. Like what they do with blobs is they find a
• 1:10:15
  small area or a small group of people will be affected. They put drugs
• 1:10:19
  in the water supply, and people start seeing things. They start getting visited
• 1:10:25
  by men in black are saying here's some pills you need to take to feel
• 1:10:27
  better. And if you say anything about what's going on, we will kill
• 1:10:30
  you or we will come after you. You do as you're told, and
• 1:10:34
  then you know, people are all you know, scared about this creature,
• 1:10:40
  and then they have something else to be scared about, and that is a
• 1:10:42
  bridge that collapses and kills all these people at Christmas time. Imagine it happened
• 1:10:45
  around Christmas time, so you know, people were seeing presents in the water.
• 1:10:49
  People were you know, that was a sad thing, as all the
• 1:10:51
  people who were rescuing those people said, I saw Christmas presents floating in the
• 1:10:56
  Ohio River, and you know it, it's just a weird theory. But
• 1:11:00
  I got that theory when I was reading Keel's book and also when I saw
• 1:11:04
  the Mothman Prophecy movie. It's like when Gear was getting phone calls from Ingrid
• 1:11:09
  Cold and it was almost like he was having a lucidatory experience. That maybe
• 1:11:14
  they were all being drugged by in the water supply and that that's why they
• 1:11:17
  were the way they were. They were all confused, they didn't know what
• 1:11:19
  to do. It was kind of a light type of LSD acid trip that
• 1:11:25
  they were on. It was just a testacy if they could drug an entire
• 1:11:29
  town and what the results would be. That's wow, that is an incredible
• 1:11:33
  theory. I never thought of that before. And there is some there's some
• 1:11:38
  truth there because the TNT area water, all the lakes in the TNT area
• 1:11:43
  is polluted and has been polluted for a really long time, and some parts
• 1:11:47
  of it are still polluted from the Air Force base that was out there,
• 1:11:53
  they were just dumping all the chemicals directly into the lakes out there in the
• 1:11:57
  TNT area. And also not only that, West Virginia State did blood tests
• 1:12:08
  in the early two thousands of the residents and they would give them five hundred
• 1:12:14
  dollars per person to come and get ten vials of blood taken at this little
• 1:12:20
  trailer inside of the town, and that was to test for the water,
• 1:12:27
  the tap water that people were drinking in the town. So there's some credence.
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  There's some credence right there. I never thought of that, but you
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  do. Either way it goes. I still think that they brought that bridge
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  down on purpose. Yeah, I think so too. It was it was
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  a part of the reality check. They did it because you know, everybody
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  was you know, they were basically, you know, taken over by the
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  fear and depression of something they couldn't control, you know, feeling listless and
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  hired after being drugged, and they needed something to break the monotony. And
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  that's what they got. They got a bridge collapse. And again, you
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  know, I have no proof of that, but I do know though that
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  you know, you just think of the area where they saw the mothman.
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  They saw it in an area where, like you said, you know,
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  the water table is full of of you know, all kinds of different basalts,
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  basalt and other things that would go into the water content, and it
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  would be easy to sneak in some sort of a drug that would cause this
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  type of a condition. And so that's why, you know, I don't
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  talk about this theory much. But it's just something that secretly has been in
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  the back of my mind as to what may have happened in Point Pleasant.
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  They were all drugged and they were all dosed, and the men in black
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  one door to door to get people, you know, medications to you know,
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  kind of bring down the effects of it, and and that's how it
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  went. And a scene that may first as the date that happened, though
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  it happened December fifteenth, right, it was a few weeks before Christmas at
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  the Silver Bridge in Point Pleasant, West Virginia. Collass Right, Yeah,
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  I think we should get into it. That's an amazing theory. I never
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  thought of that before. It's I think you might be on the something there.
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  Should make a documentary about it. We can, I do, I
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  can find if I can find some substantial evidence to pull my theory. Uh,
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  I would. I would love that because that's always been in the back
• 1:14:30
  of my mind that you know, maybe this was some sort of an experiment
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  and that you know, like I said, those were affected who saw The
• 1:14:38
  Mothman were probably the same people who saw the Disney movie and that it was
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  in their subconscious mind and it came out and it got loose, and people
• 1:14:46
  saw it, and you know, people who were dosed all saw it.
• 1:14:49
  I mean, think about it. You saw a child saw him. You
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  know, you have lovers seeing him. You have a woman that's holding a
• 1:14:59
  baby sawing, and you just think of all the the demographic of people who
• 1:15:03
  saw Mothman, and you figured maybe they went and saw a Disney movie.
• 1:15:08
  Who knows, and maybe they were affected by the sight of Chernibog. That
• 1:15:13
  was the name of the character. Chernibog was the name of the character,
• 1:15:15
  not Trnudos but Chernobah and a name for me. Even when I watch it
• 1:15:23
  now, the night on Bald Mountain scares me. It's a scary scene in
• 1:15:28
  a Disney classic cartoon. Very interesting. I think for the last a few
• 1:15:36
  minutes here, I think we should probably talk about about contacting the desert.
• 1:15:42
  I think I'm done with all the things that I wanted to talk with you
• 1:15:45
  about, and you're going to be presenting a lecture a contact in the desert
• 1:15:49
  here? Correct? What are you going to be speaking about? Contact here?
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  From May thirtieth to June third four, I'm talking about techno signatures and
• 1:16:04
  and machinery that may be godlike or that maybe from the skies. I'm gonna
• 1:16:12
  interview Abby Lowe, I'm gonna interview Matthew James Bailey. Of course, many
• 1:16:16
  much of what they talk about is AI how it works with aliens' I'm leaning
• 1:16:23
  towards the theory that aliens are pretty much synthetic intelligence, and that basically is
• 1:16:31
  what I'm pointing to. It's a synthetic intelligence thing where you know, somebody
• 1:16:35
  has programmed these little robots that look like you know, little characters like that,
• 1:16:41
  program them to fly around the cosmos. They've been doing it for thousands
• 1:16:45
  of years, and they come in the form of in these media arrats,
• 1:16:53
  in this technology. They just come in the form of what we see the
• 1:16:57
  alien grays. They look like little babies, They look on non threatening,
• 1:17:00
  and their their their machines to look biological, but they're synthetic. Uh.
• 1:17:06
  The way they get fuel as they get it from the sunlight or they get
• 1:17:11
  it from light itself, something along the lines of photosynthesis. Uh. That's
• 1:17:15
  why when a lot of people are abducted by aliens, they say the aliens
• 1:17:17
  smell like outhouses. It's because I think they digest their food or whatever it
• 1:17:21
  is they take in. They have digested through the skin. Waste is then
• 1:17:26
  let out through the skin, and that's why it smells bad. It's just
• 1:17:29
  the it's just the idea that these are biological looking creatures that are synthetic and
• 1:17:33
  they've lasted for thousands of years. Yeah, the the gray alien story really
• 1:17:43
  resembles like fairy lore a lot to mean and does it not yearn that?
• 1:17:48
  Oh yeah, very lower leprechaun lore the little people. Yeah, so it's
• 1:17:54
  alter the same through time. And you know what, we probably have to
• 1:17:59
  even rehab evaluate what we think angels are because, I mean, if you
• 1:18:01
  look in the Bible and you read, you know, when the angels came
• 1:18:05
  to announce that Jesus was born, why wasn't the shepherds fell on their face?
• 1:18:10
  And we're so afraid it's because the angels were not The angels were not
• 1:18:15
  attractive. They weren't the cherubs that we see in paintings, Renaissance paintings.
• 1:18:20
  They probably look like aliens. They probably had a face that you know,
• 1:18:25
  was indescribable, that you know, didn't look all that quite human. You
• 1:18:29
  know, why is it that when Jesus died and he rose from the grave,
• 1:18:32
  he had to go to a mountain and do something called transfiguration where people
• 1:18:38
  saw what he really looked like. You see. I mean, these are
• 1:18:41
  things that make you wonder about our alien heritage and whether or not you know
• 1:18:45
  there's there's this hidden story of aliens, or that we are aliens, that
• 1:18:50
  we are part of a Martian sojourn, that when Mars became uninhabitable, we
• 1:18:58
  decided to move on. That the fall of Man was literally a fall of
• 1:19:01
  man, a fall from Mars to the fall to the Earth, and that
• 1:19:05
  that's why we hear the story of a garden of plenty, plentiful beauty,
• 1:19:11
  and that was Mars, and then we left that for another state. And
• 1:19:14
  this is why we're here. We were just basically pioneers that decided to see
• 1:19:19
  the planet that was full of life. And we're lucky that we're all here.
• 1:19:24
  We've managed to stay around for as long as we have. Well,
• 1:19:27
  when you think about it, if you go to a different country, Clyde,
• 1:19:30
  you're considering an alien, right, right you are. And then if
• 1:19:35
  you just slap on illegal in front of alien, you get a completely different
• 1:19:42
  outlook of what's going on, right you get you know a lot of people
• 1:19:45
  think, oh, well you know, like people in the community like to
• 1:19:48
  say, they're all around us, they've always been here. They're creating human
• 1:19:54
  alien hybrids. Well, it makes a lot more sense when you when you
• 1:19:59
  just tack on legal in front of the name there and yes, you just
• 1:20:03
  you just look around, and they all are around us. They're always around
• 1:20:09
  us, they've always been here, right, tends to make a little bit
• 1:20:14
  more sense than extraterrestrial. Yeah, wherever they are, they could be dimensional
• 1:20:20
  for all we know. And why do you think they're doing these experiments and
• 1:20:24
  places like cern They want to open up these areas where the Titans can return,
• 1:20:30
  the Old Ones can return, the Genesis six beings can return, whatever
• 1:20:33
  you want to call them, that Nakash, the Grigory, the Watchers,
• 1:20:38
  the Nefeldon, you know, it's you know, it's some pretty interesting history.
• 1:20:44
  Yeah, it is really interesting. And then with you know, crash
• 1:20:48
  retrievals. And I think people, I think there's multiple meanings and multiple ideas
• 1:20:56
  to a lot of the buzzwords that go around within the community, and I
• 1:21:00
  think that they mean multiple They have multiple meanings and the perception of them are
• 1:21:05
  different than what they're actually meaning. You know, like crash retrieval doesn't need
• 1:21:12
  to be something that happened in modern times. Crash retrieval can be something that
• 1:21:17
  was dug up. If you go to an archaeological dig you find something,
• 1:21:21
  some kind of craft or something that's still a crash retrieval. It doesn't matter
• 1:21:26
  the amount of time that's passed in between the event happening and the time that
• 1:21:30
  you find. It still a crash retrieval. Yeah, what is a charity
• 1:21:35
  of fire? But a burning vehicle that's flying through the air. What is
• 1:21:40
  a flying shield? A burning shield somebody that's flying in the air. What
• 1:21:44
  is a flying scroll? Something looks like a thing in the sky, looks
• 1:21:47
  like a flying scroll. All unidentified objects that were seen in the Bible,
• 1:21:51
  unidentified things that were seen in ancient writings, did see scrolls, Vimanas of
• 1:21:57
  the Indians, the Hindus. Then is the Upanishads? All these things talk
• 1:22:01
  about some sort of connection between us and what is out in heaven. And
• 1:22:08
  why is it that we pray We pray to a heaven instead of praying to
• 1:22:12
  a ground. It's because we believe that we came from there. We came
• 1:22:15
  from out there, came from heaven and going home. It means going back
• 1:22:19
  out there. So I mean there's always that we don't always know why we
• 1:22:24
  say the things we say, but we say them, and what do they
• 1:22:26
  really mean? Well, if God is in heaven, he doesn't live on
• 1:22:30
  this planet, so what is he? He's an extraterrestrial, plain and simple.
• 1:22:38
  I mean, that makes sense if you believe in God and you take
• 1:22:43
  the Christian version of what God is and that there even is a heaven.
• 1:22:53
  Some people would debate if heaven even exists or if it's a man made construct
• 1:22:58
  or something that we have in turn ourselves as like an agregoric type of reality
• 1:23:02
  that we put our energy, thoughts, and ideas and believes into and then
• 1:23:05
  it makes it real. Well, it's a Hallmark card version of what is
• 1:23:09
  going on. I mean I always tell people that if when I die,
• 1:23:13
  I'm the type of person you know that I would rather have Wuiji board duty
• 1:23:16
  when I die than you know, having to go up into the sky where
• 1:23:20
  Terry Cloth wrote, play a harp and worship a guy looks like Barry Gibb.
• 1:23:25
  I don't think I'd be able to handle that, but I think it'd
• 1:23:29
  be great if we're able to explore the heavens, explore the universe, find
• 1:23:33
  what creation is, realize that it's all quantum entanglement, that we are able
• 1:23:38
  to become part of the quantum universe, and basically wind up somewhere else being
• 1:23:45
  happy and enjoying another ride. I just I just don't think that it's something
• 1:23:49
  called eternal progression. It's something called uh, it's something that means that we'll
• 1:23:55
  always be here. We've never we've never began, and we've never ended.
• 1:24:00
  That's hard to contemplate. We've always been here. We always go through adventures,
• 1:24:03
  we always have amazing times, and we have experiences that build up inside
• 1:24:08
  of all of us. And maybe there is a point where you retire.
• 1:24:11
  Maybe there is a point where you go up on a mountain somewhere and stare
• 1:24:15
  at the two sons. I don't know, But in the meantime, sure
• 1:24:18
  is a great life to be exploring some of this stuff we talk about,
• 1:24:21
  and I've enjoyed it. I'm enjoying myself still, and I, like I
• 1:24:26
  say, I'm getting older now, but I still have this idea of a
• 1:24:32
  childlike interest in all of this stuff because it's still fascinating and beautiful. It
• 1:24:39
  makes me feel more alive to know that we're an active planet and not a
• 1:24:44
  finite planet that most people want it to be. Well, wouldn't the implications
• 1:24:47
  of reincarnation technically mean that there's no other place to go if we're constantly brought
• 1:24:58
  back to this Earth over and over again. I mean, of course,
• 1:25:03
  deductive reasoning isn't proved for you know, evidence, but it would seem like
• 1:25:10
  that if you know, we're just here forever, and our consciousness keeps coming
• 1:25:15
  back and regurgitating, it's just a different life and a different body, then
• 1:25:19
  that was somewhat to me imply that there isn't any other place to go,
• 1:25:24
  that this is it. Yeah. Maybe so I would just say though that
• 1:25:29
  when we're looking at dimensions, we're looking at second genesis, when we're looking
• 1:25:31
  at all these possibilities, it could be dimensions in one place, It could
• 1:25:36
  be planets of other planets, it could be whatever. I just think that,
• 1:25:41
  you know, the adventure, the adventure better be good when you die,
• 1:25:45
  because you're dead a lot longer than you're alive, and so there's got
• 1:25:48
  to be a reason why you know, we're dead for as long as we
• 1:25:51
  are that's permanent, and that maybe, like I say this, this form
• 1:25:58
  that we have, your form form. It's just like a radio or TV
• 1:26:01
  that is a receptor. We receive, we receive, we transmit, we
• 1:26:05
  transmit, and one day it stops and we find another place to transmit,
• 1:26:10
  another place to settle ourselves and speak perfect Clyde, thanks so much for coming
• 1:26:14
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• 1:26:16
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• 1:26:21
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