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Child's Play Retrospective: Cult of Chucky & Child's Play (2019) · Citizen Frame

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Music.
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Very sharp scout. I'm turning human again.
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If I don't get out of this body soon, I'm screwed. You little shit.
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Do you know what you've done?
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I, I'm Chucky, and I'm your friend to the end. I like a little killing now and
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then. What's wrong with that?
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Music.
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Yes!
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Hey, buddy, welcome back to Citizen Frame. We're here to close out our Chucky retrospectives.
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You know, it's kind of funny. You know, I hated some of these films.
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And same thing like The Fire 13th and Nightmare on Elm Street and so forth.
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Anytime we end a retrospective, we kind of feel sad.
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Well, I mean, I would say that I'm sort of a bit Chucky'd out at the moment
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because I have went full on with it.
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You know i mean including the series which we'll
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sort of touch on later on as well so i'm sort
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of chucking it out but yes i'm sad as well to say goodbye to
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the little guy but i would say that there's none of them well yet we'll get
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to it soon enough that i would actually hate out of the original series you
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know that whatever there is seven films or whatever i think some are better
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than i think two is probably the weakest actually i have an appreciation for
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bride and seed i know You hate it, C.
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Are you going through the whole thing now? What are you doing here?
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Are we doing the intro? No, just say it. Just say it.
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Jesus Christ. You got that, everyone? All right. Well, thanks for joining us.
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And he just revealed that he hated the reboot in that sentence as well.
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So thank you. Well, I'll see you next week.
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Fuck her. Right. Anyway. Yeah.
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We're going to start with the culture, Chucky, and then we'll end with Chalice Play 2017.
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And Don Mussini's back this direct-to-video again,
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Universal is back because they're pretty happy with the success of the last
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one with the sister company that put it out for them so they decided to jump
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on board and give this immediately to Netflix that was the plan,
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you know what I get so pissed when I hear leakage and footage getting leaked
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and shit you know these guys work hard on their films whether you like the movies
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or not I'm not a big fan of Mussini's past work we talked about that with The
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Bride and The Curse no the seed and and the bride but i can certainly appreciate
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the effort that goes into films,
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and it pisses me off when these guys work hard and some fucking asshole in his
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mom basement gets a copy of it don't know how through youtube or twitter and
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then they leak it on both sites.
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And that's what kind of hurt this film a bit and,
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Yeah, Dom Mancini and Alex Vincent and the like, we're all pretty pissed,
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which is completely understandable, obviously.
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Yeah, Dom Mancini has said to the geniuses who leaked Cult of Chucky and tweeted
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about it, congrats, not only are you terrible people, now universal lawyers
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know who you are. Oh, I love it.
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Even Alex Vincent says, there's no logic behind it. It was coming on Netflix. You get to see it anyway.
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Yes. You know, why ruin the moment?
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But yeah, those are those little so-called fanboys. that love their cinema.
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They like to take a doubt or not when they have a chance. Well,
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the worst ones are the ones that actually go into the cinema.
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It's usually in somewhere like Malaysia or somewhere with their fucking mobile
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phone and video it on the cinema screen and then release it online.
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I mean, that was always a thing anyway.
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Yeah, but you know what? Whoever watches those are fans of cinema.
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Yeah, I mean... Let's get that. I mean, they're used. Nobody...
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I mean i actually think that's dead now unless you're
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in like yeah you're right third world country that does them or whatever but
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the most part i get people being
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excited about the release and and you know not being able to wait and stuff
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and busting to see it as soon as possible but at the same time a lot of this
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stuff is completely unwatchable anyway you know with a shaky phone basically
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yeah i'm checking off in the back row yeah exactly you see people walking past and stuff and, you know,
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people talking in the background. It's, it's, yeah. Popcorn.
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Exactly. My God, Godzilla's eating popcorn. This is amazing.
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All right. So we're here at the Kultichucky. This is four years later.
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We've got some of the cast back. We've got Fiona Dorough as Nika.
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Brad Dorough as Chuck. Alex Vincent as back as Andy.
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Jennifer Tilly as Tiffany and Jennifer Tilly.
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And then we've got Doc Foley, Nurse Carlos, Angela, and Claire, and Michael.
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I would say as well, other returning cast members, Kyle's back in a sort of
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post-credits scene. I'm going to laugh.
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That's the stupidest fucking thing of all time. Yeah, but I would say as well,
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the guy who plays Malcolm, multiple Malcolm in this also played the cop in the previous film.
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I don't care about that. It's not a returning character but a returning actor.
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Obviously your favorite of all time. Oh I can't. You just said that. Wow. Wow.
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So we open up and I do like the fact we open up and he's on a date and they're
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having the gun argument.
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You know she's more of a pacifist yada yada yada where he's obviously for the
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gun not for guns because of what he went through to protect himself.
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And then she goes, what's your problem? Well, a few years ago,
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my babysitter was killed along with my teacher and a caseworker and 37 other people.
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And she pretty much cussed the date off right there. I would say,
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though, that this is a really, a much darker version of Andy.
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I mean, he went to a very dark place here.
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He's basically, you know, a complete, you don't understand the gun thing for
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his protection but I mean he's become like one of the bad guys from Hostel he
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likes to indulge in a bit of torturing so he does,
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this is quite dark this is the dark until we get to the reboot this is the darkest of the Chucky's,
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he's not he's not really played for laughs this one I really don't believe that
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you got Jennifer Tilly he's got a very small cameo kind of in it and then,
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that's it everything else is quite uncomfortable and they're
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I mean they were definitely especially with
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Braddorff's connection and his daughter in it now was going
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for a one who flew the cuckoo's nest horror kind
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of feel yeah it's a psych ward subgenre film essentially you know there's been
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plenty of them over the years including you know in the 70s and stuff but while
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there is some good jokes in there especially one liners from Chucky it is quite a grim tone.
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Starting with Andy, how he's become, when we reintroduced him in the last scene of Curse,
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we do have that transition where he was this young kid as we knew him.
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Then he went to military school.
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Then military school to what we were introduced to in the last act of Curse.
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And it shows his progression. Even when he tells his date,
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Gun, you have the right to bear arms, yada, yada, yada. Then he rants off the
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body count. And then you go to his house.
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The whole place is full of carnage. It's full of weapons that cause the carnage.
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But most importantly, it's got animal heads everywhere.
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Yeah. So he's become this hunter also. So his killings become his lifestyle.
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And not to mention keeping the head of a Chucky that he blew off at the end,
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of course, and torturing it. Yeah, it's just dark stuff.
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If this was real life, this is a dark turn.
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But it's sort of understandable as well, because if you were tormented all your
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life by a serial killer in the
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body of a killer doll, you'd probably go to some strange places as well.
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I don't know if he's as psychotic as we were making a sound. He's not psychotic.
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Yeah, I just think he's more obsessed. I think he's more obsessed than he is anything. Yes.
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He's damaged. He's severely damaged by the traumatic events since he was six
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years old, essentially.
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So in a way, you can understand it to a certain extent.
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You know? So we open up. Now we're in this minimal security asylum, Harrogate.
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And you meet Doc Foley, who is actually a good character because with everything
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that's about to go on, on all these body counts, he does have a good twist.
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I didn't see it coming, believe it or not. So the actor playing him did a pretty
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nice job because obviously he ends up being a creepoid.
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So the character seems very sensitive for the first half of the film,
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actually, until we find out he's a really disturbing fetish.
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Well, he's basically a rapist, but even Chucky says, you know.
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One of the jokes in here by Chucky, where Chucky goes, I mean,
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fuck, I thought I was bad.
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I mean, this guy, I've got nothing on this guy. Yeah.
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He makes a comment. I don't know if I should kill him or take notes. That's right.
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Yeah. But the whole opening sequence, when he reintroduced to Nika,
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it reminded me a lot. And there's no way she didn't go for that.
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She was even playing like the Sarah Connor sequences in Terminator 2 when she
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was being interviewed by her shrink and as well as her whole mannerisms.
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The only difference is, is that Nika thinks she did kill these people.
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At this point in time, she does believe she is the one who killed her family
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members, and it wasn't Chucky.
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Yes, in the previous film. Yeah. She fucks Michael.
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That's right. That was a weird one for me. That was a weird one. Well, apparently,
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according to Fiona Doroth in interviews, apparently she got a lot of letters
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from people in wheelchairs after this scene praising her and congratulating
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her, even though she didn't write it, obviously, but she's playing the scene.
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Because, yes, even though we're in wheelchairs, we like to have sex too.
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But, yes, it is a bit sort of out of the blue.
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That's what I was more going with. I wasn't, I mean, I just think that's weird.
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You would write somebody going, oh yeah, yeah, you know, yeah.
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People in two wheelchairs can fuck. Yeah.
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I was like, well, it's a pointless.
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Well, it's just, I don't know. It's sort of sad that even though that she's,
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it doesn't really add all the thing to the story. That's my point. It's pointless.
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It's awkward. I mean, at least if you gave us some chemistry between these two
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first and And then if you quit too, they're fucking in the hallway.
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Yeah, I get what they're saying. That yes, people just to close their legs at
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work doesn't mean they don't want to have sex. Let's just move on from this
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conversation. It is random.
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Because we're going to get in trouble. Let's just move on. Right. No, no, no.
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We here at Citizen Frame know everyone can have sex. Okay?
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Besides Trevor. As long as it's in the right context.
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And as long as it's in consent on adults and all that sort of thing.
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You know let's just move on we're going to ruin it we're just going to yeah
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let's move on let's just move on yeah exactly I would say as well oh my god he's not moving on,
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I think it's to make it even more random apart from the dolls and bride having
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sex I think this is the only sex scene in a Chucky film who cares,
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yeah I'm just saying nobody wants sex nobody wants sex in a Chucky film or a
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slide they want to kill him well this is it you know,
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but anyway There actually is sex in the last one.
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You don't see it, but they have sex. Red Man and Jennifer Tilly.
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Yes, I know, but it's off screen. Oh, still sex. Yeah. Okay. Well, far enough.
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Yes, you got Claire, Madeline, Michael, Angela, Dr. Foley, and Nika.
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I do like these horror films when they have these, you get to know everyone,
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and they're kind of their works and why they're there.
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Of course, Madeline's being probably the most darkest.
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Yes, of the child. Yeah, of the child. But I do like the banter and how it works
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and how Claire kind of antagonizes her a bit and tells her that Chucky's coming
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for you, especially now that you're in a minimal security asylum.
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I would say in praise of don
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mancini he's quite a ballsy writer and director
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because you know you know i'm surprised this
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film didn't take a lot of flack for its portrayal
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of basically people with mental illness in a
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psych ward but to be fair to mancini and this does go to some dark places with
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some of the characters in the ward and you know there's quite dark humor there
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as well but to be fair to Mancini as a writer and director he doesn't flinch
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and he makes his film you can say the same thing about,
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Dream Warriors Dream Warriors,
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but no Dream yeah I see your point I do get your point different time and Mancini,
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despite not liking some of his work.
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The guy doesn't bow down to anybody him and David Kirsten are going to do what
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they want because ever since Tom Holland left, they had restrained.
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And Lafayette, there's a lot more, it seems like, studio involvement.
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But once Benzini got full control
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with David Kersner, that's where everything went balls to the wall.
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Not for the good, but I can understand your point that this is our film, we'll do what we want.
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Exactly, yeah. There certainly doesn't seem to be any studio interference here
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either. and to say that as a compliment?
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Well, keep in mind, this is direct-to-video, technically.
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So there's not much rating systems in that kind of universe.
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Well, there would be less in the mainstream. Yeah, so it's going to Netflix.
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So it's not going to have a rating system that you would have if it's going to mainstream cinema.
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So they can get away with a little more. Yeah.
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Um, I don't think it's as deep as you might think it is, but it is,
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it is good dialogue and it's by far the darkest of the Chuckies until we get to the reboot.
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Yeah, I would say, yeah, yeah. I mean, I do find, you know, even,
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well, throughout, to be honest, there is something of a lack of tension,
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and can feel a little flat, but we'll get to it as we get on.
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The only thing that holds this movie together are the killings.
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And I like, and I actually like the characters, Claire, Madeline, Michael.
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None of them are big dick-toe besides the one we think is the good guy, Dr.
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Foley, which is, like I said, it's nice misdirect so yes
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the casting and in the and the cast or in the end and the and the the characters
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that they're playing are quite i like them and that's and that's important and
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that's important so when they do get it especially i probably get them confused is it is it claire,
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the one who gets the fucking when dr foley
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is going to juice her and she's panicking because she sees
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the doll and they're saying it's because
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she cuts herself but chucky's the one who cut her and she's
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saying i'm not self in other words she's a self mutilator and she's she um she
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doesn't want to be you know tortured or getting shock treatment because it wasn't
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her fault and then the you know the chucky shows up and he puts the canister
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of compressed air hits the ground and the ceiling is glass.
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Yes, well that's also a reference to the killing of the dipshit couple and Brideachucky,
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you know the newly married couple I don't think it's a coincidence,
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I wouldn't say it's a reference.
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It's 100% a reference, but they're both beautifully shot, and it's snowing,
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so after she's beheaded with all the glass, you see the snow.
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My point is, I'm jumping ahead there for that scene, is because each character
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has a vulnerability and that vulnerability plays an act in their death.
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And that's, that's dark shit where dream warriors kind of didn't really do that
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as well. These guys do it a lot better.
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Yeah, well, fair enough. Yeah, I know what you're saying.
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Whereas Freddy would have went for their vulnerabilities and Dream Warriors,
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but Chucky's pretty much doing something similar here. So, yeah.
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I do love when Tiffany goes to visit and she's talking to the doc and she's
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like, they killed Alice. Alice is dead, by the way.
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And then obviously when he's got to tell Nika this, she kind of loses the plot a bit.
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How do they say she died? Yeah, that's right. Was it an accident?
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It was something hard, wasn't it?
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No, no, no. Well, at the very final scene, I got the impression that Alice has
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been put into, you know the way, Hide the Soul with Chucky.
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Towards the end of the previous film, we'll see the young girl and Chucky says,
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we're going to play a game of Hide the Soul.
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But with the final scene where we see the Tiffany doll, it's sort of suggested
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that Alice is inside the Tiffany doll.
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No, because we find out Chucky killed her.
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Yes, but there's a reference to hide the soul.
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So it appears that I know she was, I know it's sort of stated that she was possessed
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for a while at least by Chucky, but it didn't really work out.
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I'm sort of paraphrasing here, obviously.
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I didn't get that. I did get the impression yes, no, no,
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I think there is some dialogue that sort of suggests that but
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I did get the impression and I could be wrong that Alice
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is now inside the Tiffany doll but I
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have only seen some of the series and I know a lot of these plot points are
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tied up in the series and you know Glenn and Glenda return in the series and
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stuff and there's loads more that are tied up but I haven't seen all of the
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series I have just seen some of it so it might be worth checking out the series for that Okay.
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But when Tiffany goes she brings Chucky, she brings a Chucky doll because Alice
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wants her to have the doll.
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Yes. So now we have two dolls in this, in this award. We have Dr.
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Foley brought one for treatment purposes.
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And then we have the one Tiffany brought in. And then we'll have the one Andy
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brings for treatment purposes.
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When he makes the one he's torturing with the head into transfers that soul
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into the good guy doll. How does he do that, by the way?
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No, no, no. No, Charles Lee Ray has worked out a way.
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He said he was on a website called Voodoo for Dummies. No, Jesus.
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He's doing a one-night fix.
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One-night fix. No, serious. So he's worked out a way where he can basically
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put his soul into multiple dolls.
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But the only doll that's possessed at this point is the one that Tiffany brings
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to the hospital. Yes, I know that.
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Yeah, so then that doll puts itself into the doctor's doll as well.
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And then later on, the one that Andy has smuggled in because he wants to smuggle
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a gun into the ward, the one with the gun, who ends up getting a stupid haircut,
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they then put Charles Lee Ray's soul into that one as well.
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Okay, that's what I was getting through. Because I knew two were already possessed.
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I knew he was doing the voodoo crap. I was confused when he took the doll out.
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I do remember him sticking the gun in the belly, but the only reason he cuts
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the hair so he knows what's Chucky, because he's watching the news or reading
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the paper, and he sees there's a couple of Chucky dolls in this asylum.
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So now he's got to go and deal with that. That's why he needs the gun in there.
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And he cuts the hair of the Chucky so he knows it's the right Chucky to grab.
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Yeah. But by the time that comes, he's been possessed by Chucky three times. The other Chucky.
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Pretty stupid I mean to be fair I think it was only a matter of time before
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they had multiple chuppies you know what they could have done here they could have done Dr.
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Foley as we know the first act is quite good in the first half.
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Or first three quarters until you find out he's a scumbag they really could
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have played fast and loose with whodunit here and they could have really they
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really could have played off where Dr.
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Foley is actually the killer and Chucky is just kind of wandering around commenting
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people, it would have been a nice misdirect of who's killing who.
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Well, certainly having the doctor behind it all, just for some sort of,
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for his own research or something, just to use the patients as sort of research
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experiments with the Chuckies, that maybe would have worked well and maybe you
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could have had, I don't know,
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Tiffany was sort of egging him on or something, or he was being blackmailed
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or something by Tiffany or something like that. That maybe could have worked.
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But yeah, I mean, we do get a dark twist with him anyway, but
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it could very well have worked with to
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go even darker and he's actually behind it all yeah you know
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yeah I think they could have done something it would have been fun we had that
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with the cult we could have got that with Curse I mean only Curse and then Cult
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but yes but you know what I'm saying I mean I understand they kind of already
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had that murder mystery in the last one you don't really but it still works
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as a film but I just think would have could have should I guess you can say,
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it sort of suggests that they're going to go down that route whenever you know
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in the group therapy when he takes out the Chucky doll and says,
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well, let's use this doll for therapy, you know?
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But then they don't run with it, and it turns out it's Tiffany, essentially.
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Yeah, I think they try to use the.
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The characters as red herrings, especially Madeline, the one who killed her child, suffocated it.
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And there's a scene where there's an open grave, which is just disturbing. I don't know why that is.
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But it's this open grave, and Nika makes Michael go down there to see what's
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going on because she throws a Chucky doll in there.
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But she does that because she
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wants Michael to go down there to get the Chucky doll so he could play.
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Blah blah right i got the i
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know i got the impression that chucky told her
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to throw to throw
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him chucky yeah into the thing yeah so that he could possess
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malcolm i just said that and yeah yes but
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but but it's michael by the way it's michael
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it's it's malcolm i'm sure it's michael
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you sure positive right i think i think it's malcolm it's
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michael don't question me on this again or you're fired well we'll check that
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out after the course no it isn't right at it's michael right no because he has
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several names here where where though is it not that he that he pertains he's
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michael an american footballer or something is it michael phelps he's listed as,
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michael in the credits right okay but i
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think his real name because he takes on multiple names like mark zuckerberg
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and stuff because oh that's right that's right i
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heard nug him a couple times too but it's michael's yeah
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but okay yeah but he's also referred to as
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multiple malcolm but which is also a reference to multiple
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migs from the sign of the lambs i think but no
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my impression whenever he then is possessed by charles lee right whenever he
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jumps into the open grave but there's a good twist later on before his death
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where it's revealed that actually he's a dipshit and he's not really possessed
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at all yeah so he's not he only thought he was that's what i'm.
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I knew that that's why I said Chucky lured him there,
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Yeah. By using Madeline. Yes, I know. But even Chucky's possession of him,
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it's revealed later on, wasn't real.
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It didn't happen. It was only in his head. It's a misdirect.
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He's done. Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
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And because Michael is so easily manipulated with all these different names
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and personalities, that allows Chucky to play on that.
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And that's what I'm saying with how smart the film quite is.
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I don't think people are seeing that to where he's using everyone's weakness
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or the reason And they're there as an approach to get them to do what he needs. Yeah.
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I like when Chucky gives her the finger.
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Yes, from the window. Yeah, right there she knows this is happening. This is legit.
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That is the... And Chucky's real. It's not like something very smart in the files he finds.
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It's just him simply looking up at her, smiling, and giving her the finger.
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Yeah. then she knows the Chuckster's back,
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and she's not a killer and she's not crazy as
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she states later on during the hypnotism scene by the way which again another
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big reference to the exorcist whenever she's being hypnotized you know the flashing
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light that's exactly the same way that Reagan is hypnotized in the exorcist
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oh there you go there you go,
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The film, the setting's pretty good. Yeah, everything's white. Yes.
25:58
I would hate to be the janitor at this place. I mean, you got to work your ass off.
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Yeah, so this is where Alex gets confused because he sees the paper.
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So he starts realizing, what the fuck? And he has to get Chucky back.
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He's got to get the gun in there to take care of Chucky.
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And the reason we finally get it's called Cult of Chucky is because,
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yes, he has found a way to put his soul into a group so technically,
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cult yeah exactly and don't forget there's also the original Chucky head that
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Andy Barclay is torturing back in his own house you know the one that he.
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I brought that up in the beginning yeah yeah but I'm just reminding you know,
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you don't you're just reminding what I just told everyone that's cool no no
26:44
I'm just reminding you because I know you have a head like a sieve but anyway,
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well I mean reminding me I brought it up in the beginning yeah but I'm just
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reminding you because I know what you're like.
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He was torturing that Chucky head. I brought that up.
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That's the original Chucky, by the way. These ones are... That's what I said.
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Yes. The one he shot at the end of the curse.
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Yes, I know that, but I'm just reminding you. You know, you don't listen to
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word. You didn't listen to word.
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You're probably looking at colors in your house right now, looking,
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oh, look, a butterfly. Yeah, right.
27:13
Yeah, no, I was just keeping you right because I know what you're like.
27:16
It's probably your rage as well. It makes no sense. Why would you keep me right? It makes no sense.
27:19
I planted that, say, you know what let's move on
27:22
yes let's talk about madeline breastfeeding chuck oh you
27:26
are right right you sick fuck so couldn't wait to get on you know if you're
27:34
not you know there's a great there's a great line you know chuck he's a boy's
27:38
breast friend is his mother yeah from psycho Exactly, psycho. Yeah. Yeah.
27:44
But this is where, again, he plays on their weaknesses.
27:49
So, yes, it's kind of a creepy breastfeeding. You don't really see it,
27:53
but you do see a little blood on her nipple coming through her gown.
27:58
But this is where then Madeline smothers her like she did her baby.
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Yeah, that's really fucking creepy.
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It's pretty, you know, her backstory is pretty dark anyway, but it's actually
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handled very well by the actress and the way it's written.
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So it is. But obviously, like I'm saying, you know, Chucky is manipulating the
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situation, so he is for his own ends.
28:17
And she actually has a pretty decent death scene as well, where Chucky basically
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puts his hand down her throat and, you know, and basically pulls her insides
28:28
out. That was cool. Yeah.
28:32
Fucking. She's a child killer. Fuck her.
28:36
Well, we'll not get down that route, but yeah, no, which is obviously a very
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old... We've gone through breastfeeding dolls to having sex in wheelchairs.
28:48
But we're, no, no, we're not going down this route. On Citizen Frame,
28:50
we talk about the heavy subjects, you know what I mean? And we don't,
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like the old man scene, we don't flinch away from them.
28:56
So we don't... But yes, actually, some of the best scenes are actually now when
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we have the three Chuckies bantering with each other. You know?
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And I love the one with the fucking stupid haircut.
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It's the best. And I do think it's funny how Andy gets institutionalized by just punching the cop.
29:14
That would never happen. He's not getting arrested or anything.
29:17
There's an institutionalized, which will never happen.
29:19
I would say as well the finale is I love this stuff with the three Chucky's
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sort of battling with each other.
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It's a good laugh, actually, and probably the best part of the film.
29:29
I find the finale overall to be generally quite weak,
29:32
especially the adley barclay resolution of his story it
29:35
just you know nika possessed by charles lee ray
29:38
just basically leaves him in the sale there's no
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like you know final showdown or fight or anything you know it's yeah it's just
29:47
generally a bit choppy and a bit sort of quite there's no real tension and quite
29:52
flat i i find with this oh i mean you're not gonna get much tension really with the Chucky's.
29:59
We did with the last one, which was a pleasant surprise. So I'm surprised they didn't go that route.
30:03
I think the whole point with Andy, Andy's lost the plot so much,
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is that he's become so obsessed with getting the Chucky, he ends up being placed
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in an asylum with the very doll he brought in.
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So kind of ironic, I guess you can say. Ironic ending to how he gets it.
30:21
I think what they were hoping for was banking on a sequel.
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I didn't, now I'm sure the TV series does play on it, I saw the first two seasons,
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I didn't I don't remember much of it, I remember most of the first season,
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a lot of it, but I do know they do answer a lot of questions Yes,
30:38
yeah But I haven't seen all series to be able to Andy and Kyle,
30:42
as far as I'm aware from what I've seen of it Andy and Kyle are basically chucky
30:47
bounty hunters, they go about Yeah, they come back in advance, yes,
30:52
and they pretend like they work for government agencies and stuff but they're
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just looking to get into people's houses to kill the Chucky dolls essentially that are there and uh.
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Yeah. So if you guys want to learn a little more what happens to these characters,
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you do get to know what happens to them in the series.
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It's a fun series. It's actually very well done. It was up for a couple of awards
31:13
and they just canceled it because where are we going to go with this at this point?
31:17
So, but. It ran for three seasons anyway.
31:21
It's a lot more competent in the Friday the 13th series where there's no Jason.
31:26
And a very lot more competent than Freddy's Nightmares. I used to watch that
31:29
Friday the 13th series, you know, without Jason, you know.
31:33
It was actually not bad, but he should have called it Yeah, mythology series
31:37
Yeah, yeah So we got the, during the finale You got the doc and he's bringing
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out these red shoes Because he juices Our girl here,
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So she's immobile really Yes.
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And he's going to put These red pumps on her feet What the fuck?
31:57
This is where It's sort of suggesting that
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he's some sort of Fruit fetish as well possibly a
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shoe fetish you know so he you know
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but he's I think having a shoe or foot
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fetish is the least of this guy's crimes to
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be fair you know yeah I think but it
32:14
takes you out though because the movie technically isn't a comedy it's not a
32:17
regular child's play it's a little darker toned so when you start adding stupid
32:21
quirks like that you kind of ruin it where just keep him as an evil prick don't
32:25
give him a quirk that's a quirk to be fair I don't think yeah but I don't think
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even his quirk is done in a comedic light
32:33
I think it's more, I think it's basically just to add to the scene, you know what I mean?
32:37
To add more layers to the scene, you know, that sort of thing but I don't think
32:41
it's not done lightly, if you know what I mean.
32:46
Well, this is where we find out during the conversations that he did kill.
32:52
He's the one who killed Alice. Yeah.
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And so Nika starts coming completely to light of what's going on.
32:58
And obviously that pisses her off, but it doesn't do much because she ends up becoming.
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She gets possessed. Her dad. Yeah. Well, pretty much. Yeah.
33:08
And this is actually, I believe the first time I know what happened to Alice off screen.
33:13
I think this is the first time that we've seen actually another human where
33:17
Chucky actually is successful in transferring his soul to a human,
33:22
yeah we never do see it yeah well apart from here you know yeah you see Tiffany
33:29
do it yes I know that yeah that's insane yeah but we don't know she's successful,
33:35
until the end I believe at the very end yeah at the very end yeah but yeah Yeah,
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there you go. It was good. It's not a bad little film.
33:45
It's a lot more competent than The Seed and Bride.
33:50
It's not as good as Cult, but Cult's pretty decent. I can't see them mirroring
33:54
it again, so they're going to change things.
33:56
The one thing I do like with Mancini and Kirshner is that they change things up a bit.
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They kind of say, well, we don't want to do a copy and paste.
34:02
Let's do something a little different, and they did do that.
34:05
I do think of all sequels, it's one of the better ones.
34:08
Yeah, it would be, yeah, it would be, I mean, it has a lot of sort of things
34:13
going for it, and some great ideas and sort of death scenes,
34:17
and also, you know, banter between the different Chuckies and stuff, but overall,
34:21
it does feel a little flat in terms of direction,
34:24
and, you know, especially with the finale, the finale does feel a bit anticlimactic, but,
34:29
you know, generally, it's quite enjoyable, and it's a good continuation of the story.
34:35
A couple years have gone past, and Universal has walked away.
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MGM has the rights again. MGM initially had the rights, I believe,
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for the original Child's Play.
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And then Universal took over for the second one. So MGM has him back now,
34:51
and they decided to do a whole reboot, a whole remake, cut and move on.
34:57
While Mancini was not happy about it, he went on to create the TV show around the same time. Yes.
35:03
They both come out at the same time. I know there are some legal battles where
35:07
Mancini wasn't happy that they're doing a reboot while I'm trying to.
35:12
Continue the story could cause some confusion but either way Mancini should
35:17
be alright because the show did quite well for the first couple years there,
35:21
but yeah we're here with Child's Play 2019,
35:24
this is a dark take on the Child's Play they don't play for laughs if they do it doesn't work,
35:30
I was a fan of this when I first saw it I'm still teetering on it a bit.
35:35
It's got some really good elements, good gore, great villains.
35:40
People deserve it. They twist things around as we jump into 2019.
35:45
Now, this is directed by a Norwegian director, Lars Kjellberg.
35:49
He did a film called Polaroid, and then he did the remake of his own movie, Polaroid.
35:54
Not a bad film. He's a good get to grab for this film, I guess.
35:59
$10 million to make. I like low budget. And it's low budget It shot pretty well
36:05
For a low budget film With 10 million And it made 44 million worldwide.
36:11
Let's just chuck it. Chucky. Yep. Josh played 2019.
36:15
We got some nice cast here. We got Karen played by Audrey Plaza, who I like.
36:21
Tim Matheson plays Henry Cowson. It's pretty much just a cameo.
36:24
Yes. I actually would like to see Chris Sarandon in that part, but we didn't.
36:28
We got Andy played by Gabriel Bateman. Then we got a bunch of, you know, Pug, Shane.
36:34
Oh, the Stranger Things guy? Mike. Yeah. I like. Yeah, exactly.
36:39
Which hurts the film. Totally. Mike, who I liked a lot, Detective Mike you got
36:43
Doreen, his mom and of course the voice of Chucky, which is perfect if you're
36:47
not doing Brad Dourif Mark Hamill's the perfect choice I disagree completely so,
36:54
yeah, we'll jump into that now because Trevor's ready to fight now yeah, I do like the movie.
37:04
They decide the opening up is the CEO he's introducing the new Buddy Doll I
37:09
do like how they modernized Buddy, who is no longer a good guy doll. It's the Buddy doll.
37:15
And Castle Incorporation is responsible for these guys.
37:19
I do like how they modernized it. If you can do a remake, you know, you got to modernize it.
37:26
So, obviously, by today's standards, Buddy is pretty much a lexicon. It's an up.
37:31
And this whole setup is very Black Mirror-esque, you know?
37:37
Yeah, yeah. I can definitely see that playing like a short film or sorry,
37:41
a short point of an anthology series. Yes.
37:44
I do like that setup. I love the introduction of we go to Vietnam,
37:50
and this is where the dolls are made.
37:53
And it shows how these line workers are treated by their process. Yeah.
37:58
It's sweatshops. And I like that. Excuse me, actually. And I like the fact when
38:04
this poor man got slapped,
38:06
one of the technicians, he decides to take one of these dolls he's working on
38:10
and override everything and let it do anything it wants.
38:14
This is where we get the buddy here's the thing and and
38:18
then let me finish real quick let me finish please then he
38:21
then we cut away two guys talking
38:24
outside the factory and a nice little jump scare we
38:27
don't see it coming the man commits suicide flops
38:30
on top of one of the one of the company's vans now this
38:33
is pretty much the setup real quick setup like we
38:37
got in the original with the chasing with you know with our boy
38:40
ray there but this is their version and you
38:43
sold me on this version i liked the opening sequence things
38:46
will fall flat but the opening sequence yeah i
38:49
will say that i did the vietnam opening sequence
38:53
is is definitely a strong point of this film but here's the thing uh it's suggested
38:59
that whenever the guy basically messes about with this body doll and basically
39:04
removes all the settings whatever he does the safety settings and then commits
39:08
suicide with the thunder and lightning going on in the background,
39:12
it's heavily suggested that he has in some way put his soul into.
39:20
This body doll, but it's never followed up. It's left by the wayside.
39:25
Oh, it's like, no, you're accusing the film of something it didn't do.
39:29
No, it does suggest it. That was not the intention.
39:31
That was not the intent of this film. It does suggest it. Now you're just making
39:34
up scenes that you're saying it happened.
39:36
I've never heard that vert. No, I know that. That's just probably just a nod.
39:41
That's probably just a nod that something's coming.
39:44
And that's what we saw in the original child's play, the lightning. Well, fair enough.
39:49
But what I would say, this film definitely misses the voodoo possession angle.
39:56
It's one of many things, actually, it's missing. But you know what I mean?
39:59
I wanted the sort of possession voodoo.
40:02
I want the Dr. Death shooting. You're an abomination, Chucky.
40:06
You know all this sort of thing and it does hurt the film by having it just
40:11
basically a malfunctioning doll an app basically well play it as we go here.
40:19
She's a single mom, just like we had the original. She works in retail,
40:23
just like the original. I do like the fact they make the kid older.
40:27
So he's going to be a little more smarter and wiser. He's actually the character
40:30
in this and the best actor. Was that?
40:33
The kid who plays this 13. Kid's very good in it. Yeah, he's the best.
40:37
Yeah, he's very good at it. And Mike's very good. I think all the actors.
40:41
The mom's a dimwit. I couldn't stand the mom.
40:44
Yeah, she was a dimwit, especially with the boyfriend. Yes.
40:48
But you got to realize she explains she had him at a very young age when she was in high school,
40:57
so you kind of see that she still has that maturity level she doesn't have that
41:02
maturity level as an older mother would have.
41:06
She's still pretty fucking annoying to say the least. She's still annoying yeah
41:09
she's no Catherine Ange exactly and the kid Wiley's good he's no Alex Vincent
41:15
either but yeah they just don't have the same likability as the original Andy and his mother.
41:22
I'm sorry, but, but, but the kid who, as I just said, he's actually a very good
41:25
actor. And I don't think I've seen him in anything before or since.
41:30
He's done some good stuff. He did Lights Out, which is a great little film.
41:35
That was one of his first roles. Yeah. He was younger. He was younger then,
41:39
but no, he's had a pretty good career for himself.
41:41
So he's done all right. He does play the vulnerability of this kid.
41:45
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. yeah what
41:48
i don't like mark hamill
41:52
if you're gonna replace by dwarf mark he's the king of voices
41:55
you know we know when we plays the joker so what hurts the film and it's a big
42:02
one is the design of chucky it's awful is awful it's it's not creepy it actually
42:11
is creepy but not creepy,
42:12
like, ooh, creepy. More like, ugh.
42:15
It's terrible. I couldn't buy this. It looks like if they took a cabbage patch,
42:19
kid, and they made it plastic.
42:20
Aesthetically a mess. And I would say as well that Mark Hamill's voice acting,
42:25
and again, like you say, he's a great CV, you know, with the joker and stuff.
42:30
I think his voice acting is very poor here.
42:36
That's the problem. It's not his fault. And you know why? Because of the way
42:40
they designed the chucking.
42:42
His voice is coming out of a voice box or like a computer box.
42:47
So it's coming off like you want out of a laptop. Yeah. Okay.
42:51
So it's going to come off. It's not going to have a stronger presence like Brad would.
42:57
If they, if, if, so that's the human element. It's just irritating.
43:01
Don't even start me about that stupid fucking song. The buddy song. You know what I mean?
43:06
I love the buddy song. It's You Are My Sunshine, but with I Am Your Buddy or some crap like that.
43:13
I like the buddy. No, no. Mark Hamill's voice acting here is at best irritating.
43:19
It just nails up a blackboard with so much of this, including the design.
43:23
I think the problem is what they're trying to do, and I can appreciate what they're trying to do,
43:28
was they were trying to make two versions of this buddy doll,
43:33
which is now what he calls Chucky, which there's the inside
43:36
joke he wants to come hung solo and there's
43:39
mark hamill doing the voice he goes what chucky but so
43:43
anyways it's chucky but what was going on was
43:46
they were trying to do and it doesn't work
43:50
they do with the eyes blue eyes he's
43:52
happy red eyes he's angry but the problem
43:57
is they're going to sell it as two personas there's
44:00
the good guy chucky and what's he hey just want
44:03
to be your friend we cool i'm sorry i apologize i over
44:06
i was at my boundaries that guy then you've got
44:09
the one who's going to go fucking rip faces off and shit
44:11
yeah the problem is you're going to do that have the
44:14
nice you know the creepy kind of tone mark hamill that you don't like but that
44:19
would work for that and then when he does get raged we get a violent abrasive
44:25
brad dorf-esque kind of quality but we don't the voice change doesn't change
44:30
it's the same tone and that is a problem. I agree completely.
44:34
So too. And, you know, in the originals, we'll have, you know,
44:39
the Chucky voice that isn't voiced by Brad Dourif.
44:42
You know, the whole, hi, I'm Chucky. Wanna play? Howdy ho!
44:45
And then we'll then jump to the sinister rage of Brad Dourif.
44:51
That's all I wanted here. You know, that's all I want from a child's play.
44:54
They could have done. I don't get it.
44:55
They could have brought the voice actor back who did the original Chucky.
44:59
Possibly. He's still around. Yeah.
45:01
No, he the interviewer in the doc series. I think it was a woman.
45:04
They could have brought him back. Yeah.
45:07
Or anyone could have done that. Anyone could just come back and go,
45:09
hey, how do you know, hey, buddy, or whatever.
45:11
And then have Mark Hamill take over for the darker toned.
45:16
You know what the problem is with this film? They were trying to tap into the
45:19
Stranger Things market, even
45:20
the whole sort of, with the gang of the kids who are irritating as fuck.
45:24
You know, just like actually the kids from Stranger Things, so I suppose they
45:28
sort of nailed it in that sort of way.
45:29
But there were sort of you know even the
45:32
fact that this was this film was marketed as from
45:35
the makers of it you know which is very much in
45:38
keeping with that sort of teens going on an adventure sort of film with horror
45:44
elements and i just hate that sort of crap so do obviously there's a lot of
45:49
other problems here including lack of character development relatable characters likable characters but.
45:57
I disagree with that. You're wrong on that, 100%. You're completely wrong.
46:00
In fact, that's probably the best part of the film. I like the fact that Andy
46:04
has no friends. I like the fact that the mother is working hard.
46:08
She's naive because of her age. I like the fact that she's trying to get him outside the box.
46:13
I like the fact that the cop, Mike, played by Mike, and go and visit his mother,
46:17
Doreen, and he meets her in the hallway trying to hide from his mom,
46:20
pretending he's meeting friends.
46:22
I like all that. I think you're completely wrong on how they build the characters.
46:27
I do like the two friends he does make.
46:30
When he starts getting the gang of the Goonies, then I go, this is pissing me
46:34
off now. Yes, yes. But you're wrong.
46:38
This has better character development than the original Chalice Blade does. Well.
46:43
But the only difference is the original Chalice Blade was better written.
46:48
Yeah, well, this is it. It's down to the writing. Yes, there is efforts at sort
46:52
of building characters and, you know, character development and stuff,
46:56
but it doesn't really go anywhere.
46:57
We'll just get the characters and their treats. Of course it does.
47:00
Of course it does. Really?
47:02
Yes, it does. Of course it does.
47:06
All the characters that he meets intertwine, interact with this doll eventually
47:10
some way. None of them are their personal journeys.
47:13
None of them really, apart from being attacked by Chucky, they don't really
47:18
have any sort of journey to go on on a personal level. Now, I would say it's probably my age.
47:26
What journey are you looking for? I'm dying to hear this. Well,
47:29
fair enough. But I just found them less relatable. Fair enough.
47:33
You can't get away with that.
47:35
You're dismantling the film.
47:37
Okay, then you can rip on Chalice Plate for that. Well, no, no,
47:40
Chalice Plate does have a... Well, what happened to Chris Sarandon?
47:42
What happened to Mike the Cobb? He went from being a complete...
47:44
What happened to Mike the Cobb and Chris Sarandon?
47:46
I'll tell you if you let me finish. I don't see a journey. I'll tell you if you let me finish.
47:49
He went from a cynical non-believer in this crap that he was being told about at all to eventually...
47:57
So did Mike here. I know. I was just... If you let me finish.
47:59
I was just actually going to say... No, you're trying to think.
48:02
You're trying to backpedal.
48:04
You're backpedaling. You're backpedaling. No, I'm not. Let me finish. right here's
48:07
the thing i was going if you would actually let me finish the
48:10
character of mike here and it's probably my age is actually
48:13
the only possibly the only likable and relatable character here and yet it could
48:19
be my age because i do like the lines where the kids are like making comments
48:23
and stuff and he and he goes fucking millennials you know and stuff like that
48:27
so but i just don't think he's as well written or i have to say played as chris sardin in the original,
48:35
but you liked Andy in this I think he's well, no I think the actor's good and I do like.
48:42
The actor's good he finally gets a mother figure of Doreen because we all know the mother's clueless,
48:49
and Mike the cop takes him under his wing Mike's investigating everything and
48:54
for all the poor bastard's niceness to what he's done for Andy to try to help
48:59
him out, to kind of hear his side of the story,
49:02
his mother gets slaughtered because he's taking a blind eye to what Andy's trying to tell him.
49:07
So his mother gets slaughtered by this so-called doll.
49:10
Then you had Pug, the creepy perv. I like to call him Trevor.
49:15
He was a pantomime fucking character. I mean, even... Yeah, but it just,
49:19
you needed it, you needed it.
49:21
You had the two, and I like the fact...
49:24
He played the first kind of act. He was kind of protecting Andy.
49:27
So he went after the douchebag boyfriend who's cheating on his wife and kids.
49:33
I just think it's very hard to take serious as a character because it's like,
49:35
it's almost, right, we need a perv. So let's tick all the boxes for perv stereotypes.
49:40
Overweight, sweats like a fucking pig, has the glasses.
49:44
He also has the CCTV and all this here. It's like ticking all the boxes. Oh, he's a fuck. Yeah.
49:50
His death was brilliant. It is quite a brutal death and probably the best death, actually.
49:55
Yeah. I still go with the boyfriends.
50:00
Now, that's another thing.
50:02
Shane's death was awesome when he gets fucking- Well, he deserves it.
50:05
When he's skilled. But he's a bit of a pantomime character as well. Pantomime asshole.
50:09
There's no real nuance here. Yeah, but they did that. They did that because
50:13
the whole point was the first two major deaths are going to be these two assholes. Yes.
50:17
So you want these two to get it, right? So when Chucky is protecting Andy,
50:21
when Shane goes into his room and kind of being almost physical with him,
50:25
and then you have the perv just spying on his mother in the shower and stuff,
50:30
these two deserve to get it. So they really want you to get it.
50:33
So at this point, you're kind of, yeah. No, no. I get it, but it's tough.
50:37
Let me finish. Let me finish. Let me finish. Can I finish? Can I finish?
50:41
Can I finish? Can I finish? Can I finish?
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You rat bastard. So anyways, so as we're rooting for these two guys to get it,
50:48
he starts turning on Doreen, you know, the nicest person in the whole fucking film.
50:55
And that's where you're kind of taking that journey to where you're like,
50:58
oh, he's just being protective at first.
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He doesn't know what he's doing.
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And then he turns when he goes after Doreen. That means he's full on.
51:05
And I like that. I do like, we talk about journeys, and Chucky has one in this
51:11
one. He becomes full-on malfunctioned once that happens.
51:15
Well, he's possessive. He's jealous. So he is of anyone who's in any way unfriend of Andy.
51:22
It's getting more aggressive is what I'm saying.
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And I do think the first act and the first half of the film plays really well.
51:31
Shane's death was awesome. Pug's death was great. Doreen's was tragic.
51:35
And you see when Mike has to go see the mom. I mean, it's a good scene.
51:40
But once you get the fucking misfits of the goodies and.
51:44
The toy store fiasco it could I mean it makes sense for it to end in a toy store
51:50
it just didn't it's the kids, like the young girl I can't even remember her name,
51:55
it'll occur she turns into Rambo and you know it's obviously a take on the Max
51:59
character from Stranger Things,
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and the sort of the other one who's like the comic
52:05
foily I mean it's just like you know it's a checklist of all these types of
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80s nostalgia bait films that we've had so many of in series in recent years
52:16
and it just irritated the life out of me and I certainly wasn't invested in
52:21
any drama in fact I was looking at my watch wishing it would just hurry up an end.
52:26
I it i mean the the the
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film changes tone pretty quickly here the
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whole fucking sequence and it's just i get
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what i know i don't get what they're trying to do when he scalps shane and then
52:40
takes his face off and puts it as a gift to to andy and then andy calls his
52:47
friends over to look at this and they're all going to help him hide the but
52:51
if i was those two kids i'd be running to the placed in 30 seconds flat.
52:54
Yeah, like in real life, what would happen?
52:57
Yeah. You know what the best part of this film is? The clips of Texas Chainsaw
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Massacre 2 that they watch.
53:05
Well, it's funny you bring that up. That is the reason why Chucky becomes the
53:10
way he is. Takes his face off. Because they're laughing at it. Yeah.
53:13
Well, no, because that, yes, that too, but they're laughing at this,
53:17
right? They're laughing at this contuitous violence, the guy taking his face off.
53:20
He sees this. so he's taking that in
53:23
so when he gives her them he gives her he
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gives him the face he thinks he's giving them a gift and
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they'll enjoy it because they enjoyed it on the t yeah exactly and he's imitating
53:32
leather face but no and and i do like that i it's the execution i agree i agree
53:39
it's it is you there's i mean the way i just explained it people are probably
53:45
like oh wow that does make a lot of sense. Yeah.
53:47
Well, why can we really kind of get that kind of, it's it's down to,
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and I hate saying it because what I saw is on written word, it's the direction.
53:59
I agree. That's the problem here. I totally agree.
54:01
Lars is mishandling the script. Yes. And yeah, no, no, I totally agree,
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especially with that, you know, the letterface element.
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It's just very sort of generic.
54:12
And then even whenever they try to do the Stranger Things thing,
54:16
and I'm not a fan of stranger things they don't even pull that off and it just
54:19
becomes even more irritating than stranger things which is saying something you know.
54:25
Yeah, I think what they're trying to do here, the whole dinner sequence when
54:30
he's trying to get the gift back from Doreen, that was terrible.
54:34
I was like, this is, that was supposed to be, yeah, it was like, this was bad.
54:38
You should, if you hit that head scene did happen, you throw the head away and walk away.
54:43
Don't have the mom interfere. Oh, this is for Doreen. It's a gift.
54:46
It was so bad. It just, it's contrived nonsense.
54:50
So it is. It was like, yeah. And there's no tension here. And then there's no, there's no tension.
54:56
We just talked about cult of Chucky having a lack of tension,
54:59
but at least in it, you still had quirky characters that jump off the screen.
55:03
You know, Chucky himself, Brad Dourif's voice, Fiona Dourif,
55:07
you know, you had all of that.
55:09
Here, we don't have that. Yeah, but Brad, well, yeah, but the difference between
55:13
this and the cult of Chucky, the cult of Chucky had characters who were vulnerable
55:18
and being manipulated by their vulnerability in a place where they should be being helped.
55:22
And then Chucky's using that against him.
55:24
That's what makes Chucky work and dark.
55:27
This was trying to go completely dark. But they don't pull it off.
55:31
Yeah, you did the first act. You had me, and then it just kind of,
55:35
and then the whole ending sequence with the mascot and blood coming out of the
55:41
head, blood flying on the kid's face.
55:44
They're trying to make some kind of a statement about consumerism or something,
55:48
Black Friday. I don't know.
55:50
You know who did that spatter? you know who did this better this type of commentary
55:53
Eli Roth in Thanksgiving Eli Roth yeah yeah Thanksgiving did a better job yep,
55:59
yeah it's just they're trying to be edgy and clever and there's it's more it's
56:04
more of a mishmash of ideas that they and they don't really pull any of them
56:08
off that I can think of actually,
56:09
I was bored out of my skull I just I just,
56:12
I wasn't bored. I'm not going to say that. I mean, I tell people,
56:15
give it a watch as well. There's no harm in giving it a watch.
56:19
It's entertaining for what it is, but it's a Chucky film. Well, here's the thing.
56:23
And it doesn't work just like, just like the seed and just like a bride.
56:28
They don't work either. You know what would really have improved this film?
56:31
If it wasn't connected in any way to the Chucky franchise, if it was wheelchair
56:36
sex, what's that? Sorry.
56:37
Nothing. Move on. If they, yeah, if this
56:40
was in no way connected to the sorry I
56:44
just caught what you said there in no way connected to
56:47
the Chucky franchise and it was just perhaps even another sort of generic sort
56:54
of killer doll but not connected to Chucky because you're always going to make
56:58
those comparisons with the original and the original series and it just comes
57:04
natural if you've seen the originals so,
57:06
they wouldn't hold a candle to the original or the other ones,
57:11
you know, the series overall.
57:13
So they bought it even better off just leaving it. But yes, it's all about money
57:16
and they want to cash in on the Chucky franchise.
57:20
To be fair, Don Mancini and Brad Dourif and all have been completely professional
57:24
and they haven't ranted about it on social media or anything.
57:27
They've just kept their mouths shut and did their own story.
57:31
So, yeah, this is just... No, there was a pretty big feud. Yes,
57:35
I don't think it was done in public.
57:36
I think it was done in the press. No, it was pretty big feud.
57:39
I knew all of them. I mean, it was pretty big. It was pretty big.
57:43
They were pissed off that they're stepping on our dirt toes. I agree with them.
57:47
But no, I mean, I believe a remake should make, I think a remake should make
57:52
it its own by keeping true of the source material.
57:55
Don't put it all here at all. This one's a tough one.
57:58
This is a tough one when you talk about the source material.
58:01
Salem's Lot does it for me.
58:02
I'm a big fan, as we know about that one. I still back that one up,
58:05
but and Fright Night, but this one, the problem with this one,
58:10
you did make it your own, so I got to give him credit for that by making it
58:14
AI, about AI and Alexa. I am cool with that.
58:17
The problem is that's what hurt it. It's because you're taking away the evil of the doll.
58:24
I know that sounds silly, but I need the personality.
58:28
I need the human aspect of it because the human aspect, the human aspect of
58:36
it. It's not going to... Dude, it's a fucking robot.
58:38
Let me finish. I'm trying to explain this. Go ahead.
58:43
I was... What? Sith? You'll erase your personality.
58:51
And because you take away the human aspect of it,
58:54
Even though I credit it for going this route, because it is the good route to
58:59
go with today's world, it hurts the film.
59:03
Because you're taking away the personality of the doll.
59:06
And you're taking away the human aspect of the doll. Because the human aspect
59:10
of the doll makes it creepier, because the human aspect of the doll knows what it's doing. Yeah.
59:15
And that's what makes that Chucky creepier. And I have to say, God love Mark Hamill.
59:20
Mark Hamill did what he had to work with but he's got Braddorf not a mission and.
59:28
Jesus even if he made the doll silent and just
59:31
walking around creepy that would have been creepier than using the voice they
59:35
did I just felt overall it was completely unnecessary and there was just no
59:42
call for it you know the series at this point was still going strong so it was
59:47
you know it was only like two years prior.
59:50
Actually, this would have been in production shortly after Unculted Chucky had been released.
59:55
So, you know, the series was still going strong. The original series,
59:58
why? Just why? You know what I mean?
1:00:01
Completely unnecessary and quite
1:00:03
frankly. Yeah, I think that was Kirsten's argument. Why are we doing this?
1:00:09
But it happened. It was gone. Came and went. It's not bad if it was just related to Chucky.
1:00:17
It's funny thing is I watched it. I went to the theater and I saw it,
1:00:19
I really enjoyed it. I thought it was clever.
1:00:21
I was like, this is pretty good. But when you do a retrospective on a series
1:00:24
and then you're going through all of them and then you see this one,
1:00:28
you can understand why the hatred came to that one.
1:00:31
So I've turned my views on this one. I was going in and appreciating it, liking it.
1:00:36
But now I get, after going through this hours of Chucky, I can see where the
1:00:40
fans are coming from. Yeah, definitely.
1:00:44
And as a Chucky fan, I
1:00:47
didn't go to see this because I feared that they would botch it and I only watched
1:00:51
it because I watched it twice for the podcast and sadly from a personal level
1:00:56
my fears were realised yeah I think it's just a shameless caisson by the studio and badly handled,
1:01:05
All right. With that being said, it's time to wrap around. Now,
1:01:08
we talked about the series here. We talked about the series here during this one, right? This one.
1:01:15
And with the last one, with Colt. Now, the series lasted for three seasons.
1:01:20
They canceled it. It's just, I guess they didn't really know where they're going to go with it.
1:01:24
If you like to see follow-ups, you know, follow-ups, what happened to characters
1:01:30
in the Chalice play movies, or any horror film, for that matter,
1:01:33
I always wanted to see that.
1:01:34
What happened like where are they now kind of
1:01:37
a look and that's what and that's what and that's what the child's play
1:01:40
series is modernizing it with dealing with
1:01:44
transgender and the new generation of
1:01:47
of non-binary non-binary and so forth i'm trying to say something that can cancel
1:01:55
um but you you get my point it's quite good the lead actor and is very good
1:02:00
and the animatronics are just so good with the Chucky.
1:02:04
It just becomes the first season I really enjoy. Devin Swallow is always nice to see. I like him.
1:02:12
And you have all these fun characters. But then it just goes right back to what I didn't like.
1:02:18
If you guys, if you don't like the seed of Chucky or the bride of Chucky,
1:02:22
do not watch the series because it goes right back into that trap.
1:02:26
And I think that's what hurt it. I do think people got sick of it.
1:02:30
The Seed of Shucky and Bride of Shucky were experimental to me,
1:02:33
and they were one-offs to me.
1:02:36
And I can see it, but seeing he realized why I have to change direction,
1:02:41
and he went to The Curse and then to The Cult, two polar opposite directions
1:02:46
of what we just got with The Seed and Bride.
1:02:48
And I think that's what he did with the series. I think the problem is he can't fix that.
1:02:52
Because if the series is still, there's, what, 10 episodes? how do you tweak
1:02:57
three seasons of quirkiness into something like the cult and curse you can't,
1:03:02
So I think the damage was done. I would say, to be fair to Mancini as well,
1:03:07
although in a lot of people's eyes, including yours and Bride,
1:03:10
the direction of Bride and Seed don't work, you know, with all the silliness
1:03:14
and all, you know, the introduction of Tiffany and Glenn and Glenda.
1:03:19
While Mancini then changes and goes back to the roots of the more scurrier stuff
1:03:23
with Curse and Cult, he sort of still stays true to that storyline.
1:03:28
It's not like he tries to erase it because we still have Tiffany.
1:03:32
And, you know, we still have, you know, Jennifer Tilly and stuff.
1:03:35
So at least he's trying to sort of balance it, you know, as he successful or not.
1:03:39
And he did. Yeah. He saved his franchise.
1:03:42
He killed it, but he also saved it. You know, I haven't seen all the series.
1:03:46
I know, but that's, but that's my point.
1:03:48
I mean, what I was saying was you can save a franchise in films. Yeah.
1:03:53
By going, by rebooting and that's what he did with, with Curse of Cult.
1:03:57
Yeah. You can't do that with the series.
1:03:59
Yeah. You can't, because you've got 30 episodes already in, and you're still
1:04:03
sticking with the same basics. The audience is getting bored now.
1:04:06
You can't really change direction. There's a lot more R's of storytelling than
1:04:11
an R and a half film. Exactly.
1:04:13
You can't, yeah, you can't tweak three years, three seasons of a series,
1:04:18
turn it serious under one episode.
1:04:21
You can't. You got to tell another whole three series.
1:04:24
And the studios weren't going to do that. But you know what? It was fun.
1:04:28
I'd high, high recommend anyone who's a Chucky fan, but if you're definitely
1:04:32
a fan of the quirkiness of Bride and Seed definitely give it a shot.
1:04:36
What I didn't like about it actually, and I've only seen some episodes of the
1:04:39
first season and other bits and pieces of it I fucking don't like teen dramas, never have done,
1:04:45
even when I was a teen so it is quite teen drama-ish, you know like the OC or
1:04:49
Beverly Hills 90210 but with a killer doll, but,
1:04:54
it's, yeah I mean there's still some likable stuff in it, what I've seen of
1:04:57
it, so give it a shot especially if you're a Chucky fan and haven't seen it yet,
1:05:01
alright we're going to end our Chucky retrospective alright.
1:05:07
So hi-de-ho yeah it's time to go but we're going to end with our rating we'll
1:05:14
make this one quick this one's going a little longer so you go,
1:05:18
you go alright I'm the host fuck yourself don't you fucking tell me where to go you past bastard,
1:05:23
okay in order of favourite favourite
1:05:26
first i would go with the original of course then curse
1:05:30
of chucky then this is actually quite tricky to do i would say maybe in joint
1:05:38
third place child's play three
1:05:41
and cult of chucky then bride then seed and child's play two probably last,
1:05:50
And then the reboot. Oh, no, no, no. Sorry, I'm not even including the reboot.
1:05:54
That's not even on my radar.
1:05:55
But yeah. Reboot should be on. Well, then it's definitely last.
1:05:58
It's way, way at the bottom. Yeah. All right.
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I'm going to go with the reboot. What?
1:06:06
I'm going with the... Going with Chalice Play. Okay. And then... Curse.
1:06:14
Then... Okay. Believe it or not. Because I like the darker tone it took.
1:06:19
Then I'm going with three military camp then I'm going two and then I'm going the reboot,
1:06:28
you can put Seed and Bride in the same box I don't care right,
1:06:33
yeah the reboot at least had competency the reboot had some good gore and it
1:06:39
was darker somewhat darker that's the only reason the reboots beaten Seed and
1:06:42
Bride because they're terrible films I think Seed and Bride are universe better
1:06:47
than the new one, but anyway.
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I think you're an abomination, Chuckie!
1:06:56
Hi, guys. We're wrapping this one up. We've got a special treat for you.
1:07:00
We're going to start, we're going to talk the next two Gladiator films,
1:07:04
one and two, and then we're going to dive into a couple westerns.
1:07:07
We're going to get away from horror for a bit. For about a week, anyway. This is funny.
1:07:12
Guys, we were doing Gladiator one and two, I promise you, and we were going
1:07:17
to get away from horror for a bit.
1:07:18
We got the Mission Impossible Retrospective coming to finish that up.
1:07:21
So we will be going away from horror.
1:07:23
But when we finally have an opportunity to go see The Monkey,
1:07:26
the follow-up film from Osgood Perkins from Longlegs, we can't turn that down.
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So how do we not go see The Monkey and not review it?
1:07:35
So we would be doing The Monkey on Tuesday night. So we will have a podcast,
1:07:40
a little treat of The Monkey. That'll be our final horror.
1:07:44
That'll be our final horror until... The big author.
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Until something else comes out to our crowd in June at least because we got
1:07:54
Megan 2.0 coming right alright guys this has been fun cool thank you so much
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1:08:09
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