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EPISODE 150 - 'The Padded Cell turns 3...and it's CHAOS!!' · The Padded Cell Podcast

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_04: Are you a deviant?
• 0:02
  SPEAKER_04: You know, like those of us who binge watch serial killer programmes, laugh at the stupid stuff people do, and revel in anything adult?
• 0:11
  SPEAKER_04: Well, you found your people! Join us as we crack open the doors to Pathet Cell and release the insanely stupid, the weirdly wonderful, and those who choose to live as size societal norms.
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_04: We develop into the strange, the macabre, the sexy and the outrageous! So if you're a deviant, then you have your place with us in the Path of Cell.
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_04: Hello and welcome to episode 150! It's our third birthday, and I'm here with our Kev.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_04: Hi everyone!
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_01: Fucking hell, how excitable again.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I am excited.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's it is the 150th episode.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_01: It's the third birthday, and you're there.
• 1:01
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm here, I'm the privileged one that gets to do it with you, which is just fab.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_01: Fabulous.
• 1:07
  SPEAKER_04: Oh.
• 1:08
  SPEAKER_04: Do you know what?
• 1:08
  SPEAKER_04: The the more you do the part, the camper you're getting on camera if you're noticed.
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:14
  SPEAKER_01: I know, but I'm not normally like that.
• 1:18
  SPEAKER_04: Do you know what?
• 1:19
  SPEAKER_04: You go through moments, it depends on your company and the conversations that you're having.
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, there's about 12 versions of Kev.
• 1:26
  SPEAKER_01: There's about 12 versions of Kev.
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_04: Have I met them all?
• 1:29
  SPEAKER_04: Uh no.
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_04: I definitely haven't met one of your versions.
• 1:34
  SPEAKER_04: I haven't got the right junk.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_01: And then, of course, there's the version I am with my mum and dad as well.
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_01: That's totally different.
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_04: Is that quite conservative?
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_01: To a degree.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_04: Is this?
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_01: But then it's also with the family wit and everything as well.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_01: But it's I'm I just hold back a little bit with me.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_01: Got it, wouldn't you?
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:55
  SPEAKER_04: So I I was different with different people, but I'm not now.
• 1:59
  SPEAKER_04: I just can't because I can't filter myself very much.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_04: When I'm out and about, obviously I just don't shout content Tesco.
• 2:05
  SPEAKER_04: But you know, when there's a lot of them in there.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_04: I might I might go but I wouldn't shout it.
• 2:11
  SPEAKER_04: But you know, I um I filter what I sort of say in certain company, but I tend not to do that so much now.
• 2:18
  SPEAKER_01: No point.
• 2:19
  SPEAKER_04: Because I'm like, and you know what, I need to be authentic, don't I?
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_01: And we're 50 now, so we we're right.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_04: So when I said to you when you turn 50 or you're fucked up, it's true, isn't it?
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, 100%.
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_04: It's almost like somebody flicks a switch overnight from 49 to 50, and you just become like just like you don't really give a shit about what people think, you don't really give a shit about appearing a certain way to other people.
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_04: You have your own opinions, you don't like it, I don't really care.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_01: Well, the thing is, offence is a feeling, isn't it?
• 2:47
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_01: And just because you're offended, it doesn't mean you're right.
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_04: So no, I was about to say offense is a divide between two properties, but it wasn't really funny, so you know, right then.
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_04: So patience pays off, and we've been waiting patiently for the live uh ice cream to TV, finish work early today.
• 3:11
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, congratulations.
• 3:12
  SPEAKER_04: Thank you so much.
• 3:13
  SPEAKER_04: It's just really, really great to be back.
• 3:15
  SPEAKER_04: Can you tell?
• 3:17
  SPEAKER_04: It's a bit of relief as well.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_04: So, three years.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and you know what?
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_04: Uh most of you have been with us all that time as well.
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_04: So thank you very, very much.
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_04: A lot of our patrons have actually stuck around and supported us from day one.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_04: Some of them had to come and go, you know, three more reasons and that, but they've come back.
• 3:35
  SPEAKER_04: So we do appreciate you all.
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_04: Oh yeah, I've got somebody else on.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_04: Hey lovelies, hi it was Ty.
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_04: Hello.
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_04: So, yes, um an awful lot happened in uh in three years, and when I think back to like the literally first episode that went out, which was three years today, with Nancy.
• 3:55
  SPEAKER_04: What was the first episode?
• 3:57
  SPEAKER_00: Oh god, Vic.
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_04: What sort of fucking host are you?
• 4:03
  SPEAKER_01: One that can't remember three years ago.
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_04: Right, come on then, people over on uh YouTube.
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_01: You know I've watched them, but I just I just I don't come on, YouTube guys.
• 4:15
  SPEAKER_04: So what was the subject of episode one?
• 4:17
  SPEAKER_04: This isn't a t-shirt conversation, this is educating Kev.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_04: Somebody'll come up with it because it's dead obvious like dead obvious, and loads of reels went out there about it as well.
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_04: So, yes, our first episode with Nancy, somebody's gonna answer that in a minute, we're just a little bit delayed on YouTube.
• 4:37
  SPEAKER_04: And we had a different set, we were in the studio, we were wet behind the ears completely.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_04: I'd never done it.
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_01: Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on.
• 4:47
  SPEAKER_01: Was it the shit?
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_04: No.
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_01: Penis museum?
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, and it was one of them.
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_04: It was the Icelandic penis museum.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_01: That was it, yeah.
• 4:56
  SPEAKER_04: See, it's in there, it's in there, it's just not in the right order.
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's it's the Icelandic penis museum.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and yeah, we were dead like an experience, we hadn't done it like this before.
• 5:09
  SPEAKER_04: I obviously had a a source of a script, uh, which I did actually try and keep to for the first one.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_04: Now it's there, and if I keep to it, we're lucky, basically.
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and it was a it was very nerve-wracking.
• 5:25
  SPEAKER_04: We the guys in the studio were brilliant, but um I I walked away not remembering anything from that record until I watched it back.
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_04: The whole thing was a blur.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_04: I was so I was concentrating so hard on keeping it going and getting everything in and being a source of entertaining.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_04: I couldn't actually remember what I said.
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_01: And look at you now.
• 5:44
  SPEAKER_04: I still can't always remember what I've said, to be honest with you.
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_04: Well, you've had this, haven't you?
• 5:49
  SPEAKER_01: You go away and I go away and forget completely what you said.
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_04: I'm sure T will go, well, how was it?
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_04: You'll go, Yeah, it's great.
• 5:53
  SPEAKER_04: What's you talking about?
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_04: I can't remember.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_01: No idea.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_04: Jim does that as well.
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_04: You can't always remember because you're in the moment.
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_04: And you're just enjoying it.
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_01: When I'm watching it back, it comes back to me and I think, oh, that's gonna happen next, and that's gonna happen next.
• 6:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_01: And when I mean it doesn't because you've edited the cunt out.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_04: I knew you were gonna throw that in.
• 6:14
  SPEAKER_01: Can I say cunt on alive?
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, of course you can.
• 6:17
  SPEAKER_01: I've just done it again.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_04: We're only live on YouTube.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's all right then.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_01: Fuck cunt bitch.
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, get it all out.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_04: Trying to scream out is because the other half is asleep.
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_04: Oh wake him up! Fucking out.
• 6:33
  SPEAKER_04: I'm so sorry about that.
• 6:35
  SPEAKER_04: I'm not so in the three years.
• 6:40
  SPEAKER_04: What's he doing asleep?
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_04: Well, it might not be there, it could be another country.
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_04: We have international listeners, not bad.
• 6:46
  SPEAKER_04: Shh, back to sleep.
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_04: Could be like Australia, couldn't it?
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_04: Um so in three years, we've obviously we've had our Nance, um, who has gone on to other things.
• 6:57
  SPEAKER_04: You still speak to our Nance, don't you?
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I still see Nance.
• 7:00
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and Nance is doing all right now.
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, wonderful.
• 7:02
  SPEAKER_04: Great.
• 7:03
  SPEAKER_04: Uh then we had our Rye, who was only on temporarily to fit in for Nance, because her mum had died, and then he just didn't go away.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_04: He just stuck around.
• 7:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but he was a bit of eye candy, wasn't he?
• 7:13
  SPEAKER_04: He was a bit of eyes, you liked Rai Raya's eye candy, didn't you?
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_04: I think a lot of people liked uh Raya's eye candy.
• 7:19
  SPEAKER_04: And yeah, he sort of came and never went, really.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_01: Until he did.
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_04: Until he did.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_04: And he lasted in January, obviously, to do his own thing.
• 7:27
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and then you know, you four, it's just like it's almost like the pod's grown up.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_04: So we started out not really knowing exactly where it was gonna go.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_04: We didn't know if it was gonna last, if you were gonna like it, if I had enough stuff to talk about.
• 7:45
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_04: I found out that I can actually talk a lot.
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_01: You obviously didn't know yourself well.
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_04: No, but when you haven't done something before, you don't know, do you?
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_04: You know, I've done public speaking, obviously, and teaching and all that kind of thing.
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_01: But it's also knowing that people will find what you're saying interesting as well, isn't it?
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_04: And do you know what?
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_04: Lots of people have said to me, I'll bring this up now.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_04: Oh Ty just at the cardboard laptop is one of his favourite episodes, me too.
• 8:12
  SPEAKER_04: Um, so somebody said to me, Why did you decide not to be a just a BDSM podcast or swinging podcast?
• 8:21
  SPEAKER_04: Because that's obviously your foresay.
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_04: But actually, you know, I'm 50.
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_04: One.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_01: I'm 50.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_04: And um and I've done a lot and I've experienced a lot, I've known a lot of different people, and BDSM doesn't define me.
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_04: Um so why would I have a podcast that is just BDSM when there's so much more good stuff to talk about?
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_04: And all you guys out there, not all of you are into BDSM.
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_04: I'm not.
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_04: So exactly.
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_04: So if I was to have a BDSM all the time, a lot of you'd switch off eventually, and also there's other podcasts that have done it to death, and they're only just they're only doing it, saying the same things but with their own little personality.
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_01: This is it, and there's only so much of it that you can talk about, isn't there?
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, so and you know what, there's a there's some really great uh saucy podcast, the one called Betwixt the Sheet, is really good.
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_04: And we do it really good, so why would I try and do it myself?
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and so I thought I wanted you all, you guys, to realise that just because I'm a dominatrix and I'm in the lifestyle and run a club, it does not define me.
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_04: No, it's just a facet of me, and actually I'm really interested in macabre stuff and history and quirky, outrageous shit that people do.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_04: And so I thought there must be other people out there like me.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_04: So I'm gonna create a podcast that encapsulates all of that, and we'll throw in some nausy stuff and we'll throw in some factual stuff, and actually, what we've got now is a really broad audience that are interested in all kinds of stuff, and a community as well, definitely a community, yeah.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_04: So thank you.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and actually, we've got people who weren't into BDSM at all before and who've tried since, which is really, really, really nice.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_04: Let's see what some of the people are saying over here.
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_04: So, um, yeah, cardboard laptop.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, the cardboard laptop was amazing.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_04: Catherine said, Vicki would never run out of things to say.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_04: I'll take that as the compliment, I think it was.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_04: Mm-hmm.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_04: Uh I kept seeing Facebook reels of the crazy woman talking shit, but had no idea who she was.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_04: Had to screenshot it and Google image of face to find the podcast.
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_04: You could have just read the description on the reel.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_01: It was a fucking set on there.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_01: You'll leave a second.
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_01: Do you remember?
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_01: Do you remember the time when I was driving and I was I was in Liverpool and I pulled up at some traffic lights, and I was just sitting there, it was it was warm, the window was down, and I heard your voice.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, Where's Vic?
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_01: And it was the car next to me and got the podcast on, and and they've obviously their windows were up, but it was on loud in the car, and I could hear you coming across through the traffic and everything.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, fucking hell.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_01: Can't get away from me.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I had to message you straight away, didn't I?
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_04: Do you know?
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_04: Vicky from that podcast in the car.
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_04: Um, okay, so uh as much as I absolutely love the Kink episodes or portions because it's me, Kink is a big part of me.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_04: I love all the other things you talk about.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_04: Oh.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_04: And I always learn new things.
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_04: I found this at one of the darkest moments of my life.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_04: It became the flickering candlelight I needed to stay alive.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_01: Oh amazing.
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_01: I hope you're doing okay now.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, absolutely, absolutely.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_04: It's actually amazing how many people do find this is a therapy.
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I find it as therapy.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_04: Or you do actually coming in and doing it, don't you?
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_04: You said before today, you know.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_04: I've always said it.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_04: But the listeners, it just takes them away and out of their head for an hour.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_04: And you know, an awful lot of our listeners, uh, everybody now have got so much going on.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_04: And so this is just a little bit of escapism, just for that hour, to watch us talking about mad shit, learn some stuff, laugh along the way, hear cunt a lot.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and it just it just takes you out of your own little world for a while, doesn't it?
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_04: The mcaban outrageous stuff is so fun.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_04: The facts I can tell people now.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_01: Oh but also all the other stuff that you've put on um Patreon, you know, like with Unhinged and things like that, you know, some of it's so dark and and sort of like mysterious and eerie, but so factual and it's so educational.
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's just you've you've nailed it, Vic.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_01: You've nailed it.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_04: I think the the thing I enjoy the most about doing the pod is the research and learning.
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_04: Because I I do an awful lot of research, Jimmy will tell you, but certainly tell you, and I'm always flicking, and I'll be like, oh, that's good for laser savour.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_04: Always, and with Unhinged, it was my opportunity to really indulge into a subject and deep dive and take it to bits, put it back together again in my own way, and do a storytelling podcast.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_04: Um, because obviously this is conversational, you all get the conversational side already, but you don't get the storytelling, so it was quite nice to indulge.
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_04: But actually, you know, unhinged, uh you all know it's taking a break now.
• 13:03
  SPEAKER_04: It hasn't come to a natural end.
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_04: I just think the episode 50 that we've just had, it just needed the pause there.
• 13:10
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and I wanted to do um Queerly Departed, which we're really, really looking forward to.
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_04: I'm looking forward to that, and I needed space for Queerly Departed because I obviously unhinged is weekly, Queerly Departed is weekly.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_04: I haven't got a clone.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_04: So yeah, it's gonna come in.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_04: I've got so much on Queerly Departed as well that I'm really looking forward to.
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_04: And while the subjects that I'm doing today um will give you an idea of what Queerly Departed is.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_01: It's evolutional as well, though, isn't it?
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_01: So I mean you can park something for a little while and then bring it back for a special and things like this.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, of course.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_04: You know, it's yeah, you've got to you've got to adapt and you've got to and also I'm not saying I was getting bored and unhinged, but I was a bit like, right, I feel like I need a change now.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_04: And so I always try and say true to myself and think, well, you guys might need it now as well.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_04: Let's change it up.
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_04: So, and also day release is going down really, really well.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_04: So, you know, looking back over the three years, yeah, we started out with just me and Nance doing this thing weekly on the studio doing fucking everything for me, basically.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_04: Um, so other people coming in to leaving the studio to then going on to Patreon to develop Day Release and Unhinged, and now Crilly departed.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_04: We do Ad Lib as well.
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_04: Done an ad lib recently with Sissy and Andy, they're coming out soon.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_04: Do you know what ad lib has?
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_04: Have you seen ad lib on Patreon?
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_01: I haven't seen it yet, no.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_04: But basically, the um one of the guys just gives us a word and we just start with a word and see where it goes.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_04: It's fucking brilliant.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_04: It's really, really good.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_04: So, you know, we've just come all that way and always had little spin-offs now, and we're here.
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_04: And uh I remember when I left the studio, it was the 26th of January.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_04: It was a bit emotional that day when I left um Calvin and and Dylan.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_04: Calvin, especially, was really upset, and he said, I'm really, really gonna miss you.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_04: He said, My Mondays are have been brilliant.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_04: Monday's always been a shit.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_01: But he was learning stuff as well, wasn't he?
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_01: Oh fucking hell.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_04: Calvin's a kinky bastard now, you know.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_04: Is he?
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_04: Um he said, you know, Monday morning was always like, oh, Monday.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_04: But he always looked forward to it when we were there.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_04: It's not gonna be the same now without you guys.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_04: Obviously, I do still speak to him now, he is gonna come on as well at some point.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_04: But when I left, I was like, oh, it was like this massive leap into the unknown because I'd never done it like this before.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_04: The studio wasn't ready.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_04: It was just nuts.
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_04: And to think now, what is it, seven, nearly eight months down the line since I uh started here and left the studio, we're back live again.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_04: I feel that I'm like, okay, I'm alright now.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_04: Now that I've done the live, I feel like everything the studio were doing for me, I can do now.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_04: Up until this point, I'm like, if I'd had the studio, they could do this for me.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, the studio could have done that.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_04: The studio costs a lot of fucking money.
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_04: But now that I'm doing the live, I feel like I finally, after eight months, I've cut I've come full circle now to the point where I'm up to speed as much as I can be and on par with the studio.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_04: My quality is much better, yeah.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_04: You know, so I'm dead proud.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_01: You've come on a long journey, yeah.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_01: And a difficult journey as well.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_04: It's been very hard, yeah.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_04: Very, very, very hard.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_04: Um, because not only have had all the podcast stuff, you know, all the club stuff, getting rid of the club and all the different things, the charity, but you know, I've come out to the end of it all now.
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_04: And this live today, and doing the three-year anniversary, it means so much to me because the pod and myself have overcome so much to still be here.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_04: You know, just changing in hosts alone is hard.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, Nancy left early days when we were still newish, but people were engaged then.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_04: We were very popular then.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_04: We were getting millions of people engaging, so it was still a so that despite the change in hosts, you know, it's it's done all right, hasn't it?
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_04: It's it's come round, it's it's done okay.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and the change in the studio and all that, we're gonna be fine.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_04: And I feel like the third year is just marking um the end of a huge amount of change, huge uh learning curve for me.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and I'm looking forward now to just taking it on without all the stress of having to learn and making fucking mistakes all the time.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_04: The only way I've learned is making mistakes it's the only way you do learn, though, isn't it?
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_04: Well, no, you get a fucking unique, and people show you what to do, and then you learn your mistakes when you're not trying to do a live podcast, you do it in the fucking classroom with your mates, it doesn't make any fucking difference.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_01: True, but then when you take that out into the real world, it doesn't work.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_01: So you then have to learn again.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_04: Well, yeah, but you have work experience and all that, don't you?
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_04: You know?
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_01: Now you've done you've done amazingly.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_04: I don't do things like that, I always do it the hard way because I love stress.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_04: Right, let's see what other people are saying.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_04: All the rabbit holes you've sent me down has been fantastic.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_04: Love a good side quest exploring niche and odd topics.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_04: Thank you very much, Courtney.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_01: I like that side quest.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_04: I love side quest, I like side hustle.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, this was my side hustle.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_04: Well, yeah.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_04: Well, it wasn't even a hustle because I didn't make any fucking money out of it.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, you've smashed it, Vic Q Dos.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_04: Thank you, darling.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_04: We knew you'd get there.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_04: Well, I I hoped that I'd get there.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_04: I wasn't confident, I've got to be honest.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_04: But we're we're ever alive.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_04: Brilliant.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_04: So, Kev, what is your do you have a favourite moment of the pod as a listener?
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_04: And have you got a favourite moment or what is it about being a host that is special?
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_04: So start off with the listener one first.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_01: So the listen the the listener one, I think um my favourite one has got a bit well, it's it's it's two, it's the milk and the um smelling salts.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they they were just they're legendary, aren't they?
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_01: They're just absolutely brilliant.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_01: Your reactions for them were were fantastic.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_01: So they they were my favourite sort of like moments.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_01: Um I think in terms of being a host, um, first of all, every time I come here I feel so privileged to be able to be doing this.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_01: Um but it was when I did my um Pilari and I was actually doing uh a segment and I was nervous as hell.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_01: Nervous as hell.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_01: And it came out really well, and I was really proud of myself that I'd managed to do the research, come up with that, and it wasn't just something that I'd forgotten to do this, not done that, not prepared, you know.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_01: It was I I spent some time on it and it came across really well.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, that that was that for me was my your best moment.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_01: My best moment, I think.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, um do you know what?
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_04: I haven't got um one best moment, I've got I've got absolutely loads, but um I'm really enjoying the podcast now.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_04: Obviously, we're in our own domain here.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_01: You've got more control now.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_04: I've got more control.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_04: We can sit and chat before and afterwards because we couldn't do that.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_04: And Jordan, we couldn't do that in the past.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_01: You don't see everything that goes on.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_04: No, um, you know, we we can spend more time together chatting before and after, and we we haven't we're not restricted by time because it's our own studio.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_04: I can try things out because I've got the freedom to do that.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_04: Um and just having four hosts that all brings something different, each.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_04: You're all educated um and have got life experience of some sort.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_04: And so when you come.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_01: And we all know who Eraser are.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, you definitely do.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_04: I mean you'd lose your fucking gay badge if you didn't.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, too right.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_04: Um, but you know, when you you're bringing your your personalities, your education, your experience, it's making it more interesting for me.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_04: It's not just me doing all the talking.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_04: Um, you know, there's definitely more banter now, there's more back and forth, you're teaching me things.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_04: It's just much more interesting for me, and therefore I think it's interesting for everybody else.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_01: No, 100%.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_01: I I I also think though, um, the fact that you've come on this journey.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, go back three years, Vic.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you had this idea and you came up with it and you rolled with it, finally.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_01: And then the journey that you've been on, if you could say to yourself three years ago, what would you say?
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_01: What would you say to yourself knowing what you know now?
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_01: You know, what would you say?
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_04: Buckle up.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_04: Buckle up.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_04: It's gonna be a ride, but you'll love it.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_04: You know, if despite everything that's happened and you know it hasn't always been positive, um, I would not change it for the World.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_04: I really wouldn't.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_04: You know, and it's it's no secret that you know my relationship with some of the past hosts and when they went wasn't always great.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_04: But you know, it's been resolved.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_04: And it's not because those big fall-ins out, it's just different directions and stuff like that, you know.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_04: And um, but I still wouldn't change that because I loved them being on the pod.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_04: I loved our time together.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and I love that they've gone and done other things now as well.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_04: You know, they've taken those opportunities and stuff.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_01: They'll never forget the time that you spent with them and that they they spent on the pod either.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_01: Because they'll have memories from that.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, not at all, not at all.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_04: And you know, we had such great, great, great times.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_04: I don't regret any of it whatsoever.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_04: None of it.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_04: And you know, everybody who's been part of the pod, I've wished everybody well going forward.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_04: You know, you don't expect everybody to be part of it forever and all that, but a lot of change.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_04: So yeah, if I was gonna talk to myself back three years ago, it'd be buckle up, Vic.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_04: You've got no idea what you've taken on, you've got no idea how big this thing's gonna get.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_04: You've got no idea that in three years' time you're gonna have your own studio doing everything your fucking self, your head's gonna fall off regular, but you'll like it.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_04: Um yeah, I just couldn't have foreseen that I wouldn't have the club, that I'd be in this house, that I'd have my own studio with my own hosts.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_04: I just I just didn't see this at all.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_04: But what what what a great journey.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_04: What a great journey.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_04: What a great journey.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_04: So, what else are people saying?
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_04: Uh love all the King stuff, but also really enjoy the weird and wonderful festivals and cultural stuff.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_04: I really enjoy the festival stuff.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_04: I I could do them more regular, but you'd be like that another fucking festival.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_04: Vic obviously likes festivals.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_04: So I was so gutted when Ray left.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_04: Couldn't imagine you doing the parts with anyone else, but Kev, Baz, Sissy, Jim, of course, Andy, all fucking brilliant.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_04: Honestly, prefer it now.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_04: Sorry, Mr.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_04: G.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_01: See, I love it that Jim's on it.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_01: I love the fact that Jim's on it because he's got so much to give, but yeah, he won't go on camera.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_04: No, he might do eventually.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_01: Hopefully, because he's he's he's just if you guys knew Jim, he's he's wonderful.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_01: He really is wonderful.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_01: He's he's got so much knowledge about stuff, and he's just such a cool guy.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, he is, and uh he just gets a little bit nervous, I think.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_04: You know, I think I don't have any expectations of Jim.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_04: I don't expect him to be funny or knowledgeable or anything like that.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_04: Just come along, Jim, just be yourself because actually himself is but he is knowledgeable, yeah.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, very I mean on day release, if you've listened to it, um some of the stuff he's been coming up, and I'm like, that fucking no, Jim, really.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it's good because he can give me stuff back, you know.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_04: And he also doesn't give a shit about what comes out of his mouth.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_04: On the uh, I think it was day release four, can't remember now.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_04: I actually put a warning on it and said there's offensive stuff in this, and I apologise now.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_04: I I decided not to edit it out because I was going to release it straight so well, and I was like, I had to sleep on it.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_04: Am I going to release this?
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_04: Because there's some offensive stuff, and I'm like, oh fuck it.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_04: It's on Patreon, it's day release.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_04: If you don't like it, I'm really, really sorry.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_04: But nobody complained.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_00: There you go.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_04: It was it was a bit offensive, you know.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_04: So Pathitzel Road trip.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_04: Oh do you know what?
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_04: Um I'd love to do live shows again, actually, but you know, one step at a time, this is live today.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_01: It's also the cost of it as well, isn't it?
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_04: You've got to hire a venue and well, I've already said I wouldn't do it in townhouse because the hire would be too high now.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_04: Obviously, I don't own it anymore.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and um I don't have the studio costs this time.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_04: I would have, you know, my own gear.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_04: But what I've said, I think to you before, I'd I'd go to like different cities and just you know find a really nice venue with like a function area at the back for 50-60 people.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_04: Um I wouldn't do any sort of live recordings or so you wouldn't need to film it.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_01: It's only for the people that are there with it.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_04: If you're there on the night, you get to hear it.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_04: And then if you come to the next show, it'll be something different.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_04: Basically.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_04: So I'd love to do it again, but you know, one step at a time.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_04: Let's like get this right.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_01: Well, that's the thing with with with um with with the pod, is even when you're doing a live, you would never be able to do the same material again.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_01: If you if you've booked four venues out around the country, you couldn't do the same thing because the reaction would not be the same as the first time.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, especially with your co-host and and whatever.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_01: It just wouldn't be.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_01: It wouldn't work that way.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_04: No, but also you never know what you're gonna get.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_04: So if you were gonna come to the Liverpool, Manchester, and London show, for instance, and you get the same thing every time.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that is not a padded cell.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_04: And also I get bored saying the same thing.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_04: No, exactly.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_04: I repeat myself as it is, unintentionally.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_04: Right then, let's crack on.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_04: Hey, let's do a thing before I do.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_04: She's not watching, but this is obviously gonna go out to everybody.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_04: Um, Alex, it's her birthday to you.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, happy birthday, Alex.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_04: You've all heard me talk about our friend Alex.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, she's a box of wine, Alex.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_01: If you need a reminder, she's so classy.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_01: When we did the canal boat, she's sitting on the front like a fucking figurehead.
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_01: It was a glass of wine in her hand.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_04: It was like 10 o'clock, and she's at the very front of the canal boat like the figurehead with a massive bite of wine glass of wine.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_04: And she didn't move.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_04: She went through three bottles that day.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_04: I said to have all the times to bring a box of wine, though, it's today, because you had a boat, you know, glass.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_04: But she actually brought bottles that day.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_04: Anyway, happy birthday, Alec.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_04: She's one of my eldest friends.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_04: Love you, love you lots, and have a smashing day.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_04: And we'll have a little birthday breaky at some point.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_04: Right then.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_04: I'm gonna move on.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_04: I'm gonna do a little on this day because we can't just talk about everything gone by for the whole episode, really, can we?
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_04: Um, but just going back to Jim.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_04: Um, I'm hoping he'll agree to go on camera.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_01: I hope so too.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_04: At some point.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_04: Um, I don't know why necessarily he won't go on camera.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_04: I think he's just a little bit nervous about how he looks and how he'll come across and all that.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_04: And the camera puts£20 on you.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_04: No, fucking doesn't, Jim.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_04: Not my cameras anyway.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_01: He could always do a Mr.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_01: G and put a mask on.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_04: Put a mask on, yeah.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_04: You said he was going to do that, you know.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_04: Be Mr.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_04: G's dad.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_04: But you remember he came on to Christmas episode and he had the gas mask on, didn't he?
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_01: That's right, yeah.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_04: He went, I might get myself a gas mask and be Mr.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_04: G's dad.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_04: I went, please don't do that.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_04: Please.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_04: I've actually gotten a racky mask, you know.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_04: You're the ones with like the the the um cloth back on.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_04: Oh yeah.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_04: I'll show it to you one day.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_04: It's it's it looks scary.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_04: It's supposed to save your life, it looks really, really scary.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, anyway.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_04: Right, so this is actually going out today, on the 10th of September, night in advance.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_04: And I'm gonna cover a few little things uh that happened on this day.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_04: So, oh we're also gonna do a t-shirt competition.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, right, okay.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_04: We haven't had a t-shirt competition for fucking ages because we haven't been going live.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_04: So, before I go on to what I'm gonna do, when, what year do you think the first pert in first person in Britain was prosecuted for drink driving?
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_01: Oh gosh.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_04: You all guess as well that scenes were live and interactive.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_01: I would probably say 1976.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_04: Why not?
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_04: Just cause.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_04: Why not?
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, so let's see what other people are saying.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, same people in Jim 100% has my vote for being on camera.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_04: So come on, get a few little guesses, Patreons out there.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_04: What year was the uh first person in Britain prosecuted for drink driving?
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_04: There we are.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_04: 1890, 1905.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_04: 1890 were cars around then.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_04: 1969.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_04: So would you be surprised if I told you that the answer is the 10th of September, 1897?
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_04: Wow, 1890, well done.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_04: And the driver was driving an electric taxi.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_04: Electric.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_04: Let me tell you more.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_04: So, yes, before Britain had driving license, breathalyers, uh, etc.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_04: etc.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, so that wasn't the t-shirt competition.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_04: No, I've got to go to key t-shirt competition.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_04: Well, do we need to do it now?
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_04: No.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_04: No?
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_04: Because if I do it now, they'll all fuck off.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, we don't want to happen.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_04: I hope you wouldn't do that, but you know.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_04: Um, so yes, before all this breathalysers and everything else, people were travelling uh on horse and carriage, but there were some uh electric cabs.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_04: So I'll talk a little bit more about the cab later on.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_04: But who was the person who was done for drink driving?
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_04: His name was George Smith.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_04: He was 25 and he's a London cab driver.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_04: Shortly after midnight, he was driving down New Bond Street.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_04: Not very well, apparently.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_04: The morning post described the vehicle swerving from one side of the road to the other before crossing onto the pavements.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_04: I was really pissed and crashing into 165 New Bond Street at about 12.45 in the morning.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_01: That's probably Gucci now, isn't it?
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_01: Probably.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_04: Probably fucking hell.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_04: Anyway, it damaged a water pipe and part of a window.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_04: It wasn't a Formula One car, let's put it that way.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_04: It was driving, it's sorry, it crashed at nine miles an hour.
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_04: So, anyway, these electric cabs have been operating around London uh for a little while.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and they're associated with this electrical engineer called Walter Burcy.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and Londoners nicknamed these cabs the hummingbirds because of the noise they made.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_04: They made like a humming noise.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_04: They could only manage top speed nine miles an hour.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_04: So we know that you could only have crashed at a top speed of nine miles an hour.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_04: So, you know, he wasn't wrapping a BMW around the lamppost at 90 miles an hour.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_04: Do you know what I mean?
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_01: It was I just can't get over the fact that they were electric back in 1897.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_04: So he essentially, you know, drunkenly crashed a large battery-powered wardrobe into a building.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_04: What I'll do when this actually goes out, I'll put a picture up of the electric cabinet.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_04: Interesting.
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_04: So, how pissed was he?
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_04: This is also 1897.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_04: We don't know.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_04: No breathalyzers, uh, no blood alcohol reasons, obviously.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_04: Um, George admitted to the police, though, that he'd had two or three glasses of beer.
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_04: I'd say George was fibbing, or the beer back then was very strong.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_04: So um the following morning, apparently, uh George apologised.
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_04: It's the first time I've been charged with being drunk in charge of a cab.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_04: And technically, George was absolutely correct because he was the first person ever to be uh charged with drunk driving.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_04: So Britain had already legislated against being drunk while controlling transport.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_04: There was a licensing act of 1872 that covered being drunk while in charge of things, including a carriage, a horse, cattle, or a steam engine in a public place.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_04: So you could be drunk on a horse and cart on your own farm, but not on a public road.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_04: The problem was that motor vehicles were so new that society was basically trying to catch up and make the old laws fit.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_04: And they didn't really.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_04: George became the test case.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_04: He appeared at Marlborough Street Police Court, pleaded guilty, and was fined to 20 shillings or a pound.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, and then the magistrate gave him a warning.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, he told George Smith that motor car drivers needed to be very careful because police had become rather good at stopping runaway horses, and they were gonna get just as good at stopping these vehicles at nine mile an hour.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_01: I was gonna say they could probably run faster than them.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_04: Exactly.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_04: You know, not exactly the runaway mechanical death traps, are they at nine miles an hour?
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_04: Mad.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_04: So um, lovely little bit of uh context here as well.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_04: The British driving licence wasn't introduced until the Motor Act of 1903.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_04: So George couldn't even lose his licence because licenses weren't around.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_04: He didn't have to.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_01: You could just get in a car and drive it, couldn't you?
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_04: Exactly, and it's exactly what he did.
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_04: So you could essentially acquire any of these new machines because there's different things coming up all the time, uh, without ever having a lesson, any kind of book to tell you what to do, how to operate this thing.
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_04: You just jump in and go on a public road.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_01: I wonder if he had a cabby licence, though.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_01: They could have taken that from him.
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, he did.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_04: So obviously, um he had a cab licence, but it was a handsome cab licence.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_04: Different.
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_04: He was because there wasn't a law around being drunk in charge of an electric cab, they sort of applied the fine and the charge of what it would be if he was in charge of a horse and cars.
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, he wouldn't have lost his licence for that.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_04: So he kept his his handsome cab licence.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_01: Did he have passengers on board as well?
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_04: No, that was lucky.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_04: Imagine though, like that letter S with passengers in the back.
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_01: Well, they wouldn't have had seat belts, it would have probably been wooden seats.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_01: It wouldn't have been comfortable.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_04: They wouldn't have been comfortable at all, would it?
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_04: No.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_04: So the electric carbis.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_04: So the London electric taxis, uh, they were brought about in 1897.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_04: And the early Bercy fleet had a swap swappable battery compartments.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_04: Um, so like you could swap the batteries out.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_00: This is like China now.
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_04: In 1897.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_04: Unfortunately, though, they were very, very expensive to operate, unreliable, and suffered apparently with very, very heavy uh tire and battery work.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_04: So they'd go through batteries a lot, but the tires are very heavy.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_04: And they'd go through tires like nobody's business, obviously going around London, cobbled streets.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and then obviously, one of its drivers became very famous for getting pissed and crashing one.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_04: And so people were not really that enamoured.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_04: They were like, they're not very comfortable, they're not very fast.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_04: Obviously, people are getting drunk in them and driving us around in them.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_04: So it didn't really last this thing, and obviously, we know that electric cars took an awful long time to come back on the road again.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, but I wanted to bring this in because it blew my mind.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_04: 1897 there was an electric taxi in London.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_04: Did you all know that?
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_04: Did any of you know that this thing was around?
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_01: And is that the first is that the first electric vehicle in the world as well?
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_01: Was these taxis in London?
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_04: So when I was reading around, yeah, there'd been other cars, but not like passenger vehicles.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_04: So there'd been other prototypes for other cars to go on the road with you and your partner or whatever, is your private vehicle.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_04: There'd been other things to experiment with public cars, but this was the first electric cab to be able to carry passengers.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_04: But I mean, it probably wouldn't be able to go very far.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, where'd you store all your batteries?
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_04: No wonder the fucking car's heavy if it's storing a whole load of batteries.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_04: How long does it take to charge the battery up?
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, it's nuts, isn't it?
• 37:45
  SPEAKER_00: It is nuts.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_04: It would have been so basic, but how forward thinking now?
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_04: When you think the London smogs back at the time.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_01: 100%.
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_04: You know, somebody somewhere, some fucking track time traveller has gone back from the future to say, right then, you Victorian folk, you need to start looking at electric cabs.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_01: Well, the thing is, electricity was was new then anyway.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_04: So imagine it being that young and coming up with something that powers a car.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_04: Obviously, the engines that came on from that are like the piston engines, fuel.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_04: But does somebody have this idea?
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_04: Have you all heard of the hydrogen engines?
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_04: They're blowing up at the moment, aren't they?
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_04: But I mean, if you get that right, fucking hell.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_04: Just gotta stick water in.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_04: It's gonna, it's gonna solve so many problems if you get that right.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_01: Hydrogen's too volatile.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, absolutely.
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_04: So uh Catherine said it's not the first time I've heard of electric cabs, but it's the first time I've heard of a guy getting charged with drink drink driving.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_04: Mad that, isn't it?
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_04: Absolutely mad.
• 38:49
  SPEAKER_04: Right, let's move on to our next little thing because you will remember this.
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_00: Will I?
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_04: It was a very famous case in 2001.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_04: Now, most of you in the UK will have heard of it.
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_04: Those abroad may not have heard so much about it.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_04: You will have heard of the show this is part of.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_04: The reason why you may not have heard of this incident is because it happened the day before the Twin Towers disaster, the September 11th.
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_04: And this story got lost completely in translation, but you will remember.
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_04: So, 10th of September 2001.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_04: Who remembers the show?
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_04: Who wants to be a millionaire?
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_04: And you know the story, obviously.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, Kevin's just hinted at what the story is with a little cough.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_04: So it's a hugely, hugely successful uh quiz show at the time.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_04: Millions.
• 39:49
  SPEAKER_04: It went global as well.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_04: It was mad, it's all over the world now.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_04: And Chris Tarrant at the time was the um the guy in the chair.
• 39:57
  SPEAKER_04: And you know, if you haven't seen the programme, um you basically answer a series of questions in the hopes of willing winning a million pounds or a million dollars, depends on where you are.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_04: You can ask a friend, you can ask the audience, there's all different ways to try and find the answer, with the ultimate goal of winning uh a life-changing amount of money.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_04: And on this day, Charles Ingram was sat in the chair opposite Chris Tarrant.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_04: And he apparently did the impossible of winning one million pounds, except the programme never aired as planned.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_04: Now, Charles didn't really look like a future millionaire, he was uh a royal engineer in the military.
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_01: Major, major Charles, wasn't he?
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_04: In major, yeah.
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, um, and he'd actually begun the appearance a day before and then it it rolled over into the next episode because he ran out of time.
• 40:49
  SPEAKER_04: Now, his progress was really strange.
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_04: He struggled early on, and he was asking a friend and all that kind of thing.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_00: That's my stomach, though.
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_04: Have a biscuit, love.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_04: For God's sake, just crunch away from the mic.
• 41:02
  SPEAKER_04: Um so he didn't do very well in the first part, but then the second part on the 10th, he all of a sudden became quite good at the more difficult questions.
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_04: So he'd burn through his lifelines and everything.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_04: So what was happening?
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_04: What he was doing as Chris was asking the questions, he would repeat the answers and he he'd pause, consider another, maybe change his mind.
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and what was happening was that as a guy called I think his name was Techwin Whisak Whisak Techwin, it sounds Welsh.
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_04: So any of our Welshies out there have said that wrong, please correct me.
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_04: He had a cough on the day.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_04: This guy was a Welsh college lecturer, so he had the smart.
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_04: So he was definitely clever enough to pull this off, if you like.
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_04: He wasn't just randomly coughing.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_04: 125,000 pounds question.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_04: Ingram was asked which artist painted the ambassadors.
• 42:08
  SPEAKER_04: He considered Holbine, but a cough was heard.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_04: Holbine became his final answer, and it was correct.
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_04: Then became a question asking what sort of garment was an Anthony Eden.
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_04: Ingram thought it might have been a hat.
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_04: Cough.
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_04: He continued thinking a bit more coffin.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_04: Hat correct.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_04: Then 500,000 pounds question.
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_04: The question was Baron Hausman is best known for his planning of which city?
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_04: Rome, Paris, Berlin, or Athens.
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_04: Ingram initially leaned heavily toward Berlin, understandable because Hausmann sounds German, but it was actually the wrong answer.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_04: The correct answer was Paris.
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_04: As Ingram worked through the possibilities aloud, coughing was heard.
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_04: So when the cough was placed in the right moment, he heard Paris.
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_04: It was the correct answer.
• 43:07
  SPEAKER_04: But then came the million pound question, and this is the one which I think made them stop and think, because the question was a number one followed by 100 zeros is known by what name?
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_04: The choices was a Google, a Megatron, a gigabit, or a nanomole.
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_04: Now Ingram initially said he'd never heard of a Google.
• 43:35
  SPEAKER_04: Never.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_04: He thought it might be a nanomole.
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_04: He was pausing, he was thinking, he was talking through them, but then a cough.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_04: Then Google, which had initially said he'd never heard of it, suddenly came back into conversation.
• 43:48
  SPEAKER_04: More coughing around that.
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_04: He said Google, it was correct, and he won the million pounds.
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_04: So Diane Ingram joined us.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_04: Husband, as you know, he he won the money, and it all went absolutely nuts.
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_04: She was astonished because she was like, Where did he he find these answers from?
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_04: Anyway, it all finished.
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_04: The producers listened again because the production staff were suspicious, especially at the end when he was like, never even heard of Google.
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_04: Why would you risk a mil a million pounds basically on something like that?
• 44:25
  SPEAKER_04: So they started examining the fussage more closely, and a pattern emerged, obviously.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_04: Prosecution would later argue that Whissick was coughing strategically when correct answers were spoken aloud.
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_04: The programme makers stopped Ingram's check and contacted the police.
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_04: And the programme was recorded on the 10th, like I said before, September.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_04: The next morning was the 11th, and it's September the 11th, you know, occurred.
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_04: And so all of this was sort of buried, really.
• 44:55
  SPEAKER_04: The episode was supposed to air on the 18th of September.
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_04: I never broadcast as normal.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_04: So I think the ninth one went out, but the 10th one didn't.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_04: Because like I say, it was a two-parter.
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_04: So it didn't actually go out.
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_04: There was a trial in Southwark, um Crown Court.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_04: All three denied it to cheating.
• 45:17
  SPEAKER_04: At trial, an audio expert said they heard 192 coughs from this guy.
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_04: And they were around when Ingram was answering questions no other time.
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_04: The cough was only tickly when he needed to answer the question.
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_04: The prosecution focused on 19 coded coughs.
• 45:40
  SPEAKER_04: Wissack acknowledged making some or all of the coughs, but maintained that he suffered from allergies, and apparently the relationship between the answers and the coughs were purely coincidental.
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_04: Anyway, the jury heard the evidence, and in 2003, April, uh Charles Ingram, Diana Ingram, and Techwin were all convicted of procuring the execution of a valuable security by deception.
• 46:07
  SPEAKER_04: What?
• 46:08
  SPEAKER_04: I was saying it again.
• 46:11
  SPEAKER_04: Procuring the execution of a valuable security by deception.
• 46:15
  SPEAKER_01: So valuable security will be.
• 46:18
  SPEAKER_04: Why can't you just say winning money by deceit?
• 46:21
  SPEAKER_04: Why is everything in British courts gotta be so high fallucid and confusing?
• 46:25
  SPEAKER_04: It's ridiculous, honest to God.
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, Ty remembered what it was.
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_04: Ooh, is this the cheating guy?
• 46:31
  SPEAKER_04: They're obviously all listening, they're not commenting it much at the moment.
• 46:35
  SPEAKER_04: So yes, they were convicted, but they continue to maintain their innocence to this day.
• 46:40
  SPEAKER_01: Was there uh I I I don't remember the the the the ins and outs of the trial.
• 46:46
  SPEAKER_01: I mean I remember it all happening, but was there did they prove a link between him and Ingram, knowing that they knew each other?
• 46:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's obvious then, isn't it?
• 46:56
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_04: Um so it's you know if they said oh we'd never ever seen each other before, it'd look even more suspicious, they had to admit it, really.
• 47:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 47:04
  SPEAKER_04: You know, they had to admit it.
• 47:07
  SPEAKER_01: But plenty of people have gone on to win the million.
• 47:09
  SPEAKER_01: They have, you know.
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_04: Would you go on a programme like that?
• 47:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I would.
• 47:13
  SPEAKER_01: Would you?
• 47:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I would, but I wouldn't get through because I'm not the fastest finger.
• 47:17
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 47:18
  SPEAKER_01: But um I and I love the new incarnation of it with um Jeremy.
• 47:23
  SPEAKER_01: Jeremy Clarkson.
• 47:24
  SPEAKER_01: I think he's brilliant as a host.
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_04: So I've not watched it with Jeremy Clarkson because he was starting to get on my tits on other programmes, on but other people said the same thing now, so I might have to watch it.
• 47:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he's really good.
• 47:35
  SPEAKER_04: Do you watch Jeremy Clarkson's on the farm?
• 47:37
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 47:38
  SPEAKER_04: I don't because again, he just turned into like a really angry, miserable miserable owl man at the end of Top Gear and Grand Grand Tour.
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_04: I was like, I'm just I'm bored now of the same thing coming out of your mouth, Jez.
• 47:51
  SPEAKER_04: I'm sorry.
• 47:51
  SPEAKER_04: I loved him years ago and I defended him, you know.
• 47:54
  SPEAKER_04: When everybody fucking hated him on Top Gear, I was like, no, he's just edgy, he's just saying it as it is.
• 47:59
  SPEAKER_01: So I liked him on Top Gear.
• 48:00
  SPEAKER_01: Um I never watched the Grand Tour and I never watched the farm.
• 48:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 48:04
  SPEAKER_01: But when he did Millionaire, I walk I was I was doing the usual, I was channel flipping and and he came up and I went, Plotson's the host.
• 48:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 48:12
  SPEAKER_01: Watched it.
• 48:12
  SPEAKER_01: And I was laughing my head off.
• 48:14
  SPEAKER_01: He was absolutely brilliant.
• 48:15
  SPEAKER_04: I'll have to give it a go.
• 48:17
  SPEAKER_04: She's not the only person to say that.
• 48:18
  SPEAKER_04: And I want to watch the farm on the farm because again, he comes across very differently, apparently, to what he did on Top Gear.
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 48:27
  SPEAKER_04: And um people have said they've learned to warm to him, he's just a different character, and obviously he's got this cancer diagnosis now, hasn't he?
• 48:34
  SPEAKER_04: And I feel like he's getting lots more support because they've warmed to him from the farm and his paub and all that kind of thing.
• 48:43
  SPEAKER_04: So yeah, I would uh probably go on a game show.
• 48:46
  SPEAKER_04: Um, I don't know which one, to be honest with you.
• 48:48
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know.
• 48:49
  SPEAKER_01: I'd do Millionaire, um, but I wouldn't do the chase or anything like that, because I'm I'm terrible at that sort of stuff.
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_04: Um my general knowledge is okay, but you know, sometimes on on like the chase, there's a bunch of questions and I can't answer any of them.
• 49:03
  SPEAKER_00: Me neither.
• 49:04
  SPEAKER_00: That's the point.
• 49:04
  SPEAKER_04: And then some days I can answer them all.
• 49:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 49:07
  SPEAKER_04: So I don't know what sort of game show I'd go on, really.
• 49:09
  SPEAKER_04: What people are saying here.
• 49:10
  SPEAKER_04: Love Jerry from Jeremy Clarkson's Farm, one of the best shows I've watched.
• 49:15
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 49:16
  SPEAKER_04: Um The Farm is good.
• 49:19
  SPEAKER_04: I only liked the challenges on Top Gear.
• 49:21
  SPEAKER_04: Clarkson's Farm's actually really cute.
• 49:23
  SPEAKER_04: He loves his animals so much.
• 49:25
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, okay.
• 49:26
  SPEAKER_04: Love Clarkson's Farm.
• 49:28
  SPEAKER_04: Right, that's four votes for Clarkson's Farm.
• 49:30
  SPEAKER_04: There you go.
• 49:30
  SPEAKER_04: Right, well, what we'll do, or I'll do, I can't vote for him, obviously.
• 49:34
  SPEAKER_04: I'll watch Clarkson's Farm then and I'll give you some feedback of what I think.
• 49:38
  SPEAKER_04: Because I want to like him again.
• 49:39
  SPEAKER_04: Don't get me wrong, he doesn't fucking care if I like him or not.
• 49:43
  SPEAKER_04: Um, but I really did like him years ago, and I was his biggest fan.
• 49:47
  SPEAKER_04: When it starts to get old and obnoxious, I was like, oh mate, what's the thing?
• 49:51
  SPEAKER_01: He was just playing to a character though, wasn't he?
• 49:52
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe.
• 49:53
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I still think we should do this goggle box thing.
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_04: I've been thinking about how to do it, to be honest with you.
• 49:58
  SPEAKER_04: I think I'd be just the copyright thing.
• 50:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we wouldn't call it goggle box though, would we?
• 50:01
  SPEAKER_04: No, no, no.
• 50:02
  SPEAKER_04: When you're watching things, you can't have it up on screen because there's a copyright on a lot of them.
• 50:06
  SPEAKER_04: You can't you can't do reaction videos to certain things.
• 50:10
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 50:10
  SPEAKER_04: So I watch, there's a guy who does this music thing, um, and he sometimes has to block his videos out because there's a copyright on it.
• 50:17
  SPEAKER_01: So why don't we do other podcasts?
• 50:20
  SPEAKER_04: Review other podcasts.
• 50:22
  SPEAKER_04: You could review an episode of a podcast, maybe.
• 50:24
  SPEAKER_04: There's some fucking brilliant episodes out there that we could review as well.
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_04: This one in particular that I won't review, and I've Stop looking at me like that! I think we should.
• 50:36
  SPEAKER_01: You know me, deviant.
• 50:39
  SPEAKER_04: What I'd have to do on that one is I would have to be you on that dad.
• 50:43
  SPEAKER_04: I'll just sit back and not and let you do the reviewing.
• 50:46
  SPEAKER_04: Because it just comes back on me otherwise.
• 50:51
  SPEAKER_04: No, there's one in particular that I'm not going to review.
• 50:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, okay.
• 50:55
  SPEAKER_01: Um just playing it safe, aren't you?
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_04: I'm just I'm just not that person, Kev.
• 51:00
  SPEAKER_04: Really?
• 51:05
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not to see the reaction.
• 51:09
  SPEAKER_04: I'm trying not to be that person.
• 51:10
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 51:12
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not either, though, you know.
• 51:13
  SPEAKER_04: I'm not a bitch.
• 51:14
  SPEAKER_01: I am.
• 51:15
  SPEAKER_04: I'm not a bitch, because I just say it.
• 51:17
  SPEAKER_04: A bitch tends to be a bit like bitchy behind your back a little bit.
• 51:20
  SPEAKER_01: You I don't have you say I'm not bitchy behind your behind.
• 51:24
  SPEAKER_04: Bitchy tends to be like bitchy behind the back, really, doesn't it?
• 51:28
  SPEAKER_04: Um I'm just straight down the line.
• 51:32
  SPEAKER_04: And um I don't I don't want to be bitchy.
• 51:34
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 51:35
  SPEAKER_04: I don't want I don't want to be bitchy about that particular thing.
• 51:37
  SPEAKER_01: No, that's fine.
• 51:38
  SPEAKER_01: Let's move on.
• 51:39
  SPEAKER_04: But what I will say is that we are the original curators of chaos.
• 51:43
  SPEAKER_01: 100%.
• 51:44
  SPEAKER_04: And our deviant t-shirt has the original design on it, even though it's been ripped off elsewhere.
• 51:54
  SPEAKER_04: Barbrella at the moment is like that girl.
• 51:59
  SPEAKER_04: Aren't you?
• 52:01
  SPEAKER_04: Oh yeah.
• 52:02
  SPEAKER_04: Barbrella lolke of me and you thinking alike.
• 52:08
  SPEAKER_01: See.
• 52:09
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, anyway.
• 52:10
  SPEAKER_04: Right, so I'm gonna move on.
• 52:12
  SPEAKER_04: Now I was gonna do a tangly, but yeah, Barbara.
• 52:15
  SPEAKER_01: Stop everyone else is wondering what the fuck's going on.
• 52:22
  SPEAKER_04: I know, yeah.
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_04: Well, they'll they'll guess.
• 52:24
  SPEAKER_01: Just read between the lines.
• 52:26
  SPEAKER_04: There's a lot of OGs on, so they'll know exactly what I'm talking about.
• 52:29
  SPEAKER_04: But yeah, we're the original creators of chaos.
• 52:31
  SPEAKER_04: Chaos.
• 52:32
  SPEAKER_04: Chaos, chaos, chaos.
• 52:35
  SPEAKER_04: And I am gonna talk about something which is gonna give you a hint at what uh queerly departed is gonna be about.
• 52:45
  SPEAKER_04: So you've read the email.
• 52:46
  SPEAKER_04: I'm so excited about this.
• 52:48
  SPEAKER_04: It's all about, you know, the queer people, places, events, whatever that have shaped queer history for good and bad.
• 52:56
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, not it's not all been all been positive.
• 52:59
  SPEAKER_04: Um, but there's just some moments in history that defines us.
• 53:04
  SPEAKER_04: Some moments in history haven't been talked about at all and need to because they could have been defining moments.
• 53:12
  SPEAKER_04: There's some people that have purposely stepped back out of the limelight because they don't want to be out there and that, but they've made a difference in their own little quiet way, and then there's other people out there that have shouted it from the rooftops, and we need to celebrate those as well.
• 53:28
  SPEAKER_04: So there's loads and loads uh of things that we're going to talk about in Crilly Deposit, and this is gonna give you an idea.
• 53:34
  SPEAKER_04: Have you heard of the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence?
• 53:40
  SPEAKER_04: No.
• 53:41
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, sounds like a nun group.
• 53:44
  SPEAKER_04: It is.
• 53:44
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, there we go.
• 53:45
  SPEAKER_04: It is, and just before I go on to this, I knew somebody um knew like the Sonic of the Dead, just haven't seen them for a little while.
• 53:54
  SPEAKER_04: I knew somebody who used to do um, used to come to the club and do like entertainment for us on the Kink Knights.
• 54:02
  SPEAKER_04: Got a hair.
• 54:02
  SPEAKER_04: On the Kink Knights.
• 54:04
  SPEAKER_04: And his name in character was Sister Jackie.
• 54:09
  SPEAKER_04: And he used to hang around a couple of other nuns in habits, and he'd have like his beard all sparkly and all the rest of it.
• 54:15
  SPEAKER_04: But they would, it was a proper thing, and they used to go around being very, very visible in places as openly gay men dressed as nuns with sparkles and shit.
• 54:25
  SPEAKER_04: But they had a proper message, yeah.
• 54:27
  SPEAKER_04: And rather than me trying to explain their message, I am gonna tell you where this all comes from because they were carrying on a legacy which started in San Francisco and ended up in Manchester.
• 54:38
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, so I mean it ends out everywhere, to be honest with you, but Sister Jackie was based in Manchester.
• 54:43
  SPEAKER_04: So the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence.
• 54:47
  SPEAKER_04: I just love the name for a star, it's just brilliant.
• 54:51
  SPEAKER_04: They are nuns except the not nuns, obviously, the queer activists, the drag performers, fundraisers, sexual health educators, political protesters, and most of all, professional piss takers.
• 55:07
  SPEAKER_01: I have heard of them.
• 55:08
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, yes, they dress extravagantly, uh made up as nuns, and I've spent nearly half a century causing absolute fucking mayhem wherever they go, in the name of charity, queer liberation, and what they describe as promulgating universal joy and expiating stigmatic guilt.
• 55:31
  SPEAKER_04: I love all like the it's always a little lean into like Christian-ness, so like stigmatic, obviously it's a stigma at the time around being queer, but the stigmata.
• 55:42
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, they're always doing clever little things like that.
• 55:47
  SPEAKER_04: So to cut that very long sentence down, they just want to spread joy.
• 55:51
  SPEAKER_04: That's all they want to do is spread joy and stop making people ashamed of themselves.
• 55:57
  SPEAKER_04: That's how it all started.
• 55:58
  SPEAKER_04: And once you get underneath all the camp and outrageous names that I'm gonna come on to later on, the principal runs through everything that they've done because they were very active during the age crisis, amongst other things.
• 56:11
  SPEAKER_04: But where does it all go back to?
• 56:13
  SPEAKER_04: It started in 1976 in San Francisco, and the nuns of Iowa, who were actually real nuns.
• 56:21
  SPEAKER_04: There's a convent there in Iowa, and there's some old habits there that were no longer needed.
• 56:30
  SPEAKER_04: And according to the sisters' own history, um, members of a gay performance group called the Sugar Plum Fairies managed to acquire them, several of them, by saying they needed them for costumes of a production of the sound of music.
• 56:50
  SPEAKER_04: Which wasn't entirely the truth, honestly.
• 56:52
  SPEAKER_01: You just couldn't write it, could you?
• 56:54
  SPEAKER_04: Brilliant.
• 56:55
  SPEAKER_04: Actually, they wanted them for drag performances, of course they did.
• 56:58
  SPEAKER_04: And one of those performers was Ken Bunch, who had later become known as Sister Vicious Power Hungry Bitch.
• 57:09
  SPEAKER_04: Although in later life it used to be called Grandmother Vish New.
• 57:17
  SPEAKER_04: Anyway, the nuns just uh they were a they came a lot worse than nuns from the sound of music and drag performers.
• 57:27
  SPEAKER_04: They basically just put the the habits on and they just came into their own.
• 57:34
  SPEAKER_01: Well, they put the habits on and became a personality, didn't they?
• 57:37
  SPEAKER_04: Exactly that.
• 57:38
  SPEAKER_04: You must look these up online, they're just absolutely brilliant.
• 57:42
  SPEAKER_04: Anyway, a bunch of five of them.
• 57:45
  SPEAKER_04: Um, Easter weekend, San Francisco, San Francisco's Castro district, already internationally associated with gay life in general.
• 57:55
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and some men were becoming frustrated with another phenomena called the Castro clone.
• 58:01
  SPEAKER_04: Basically, there was like you know it, the the particular hyper masculine gay look of um fashionable moustache jeans, boots, sailor cap the lever look, the Thom of Finland look.
• 58:15
  SPEAKER_04: Thom of Finland.
• 58:16
  SPEAKER_04: We've talked about Thom of Finland before, and some people felt that gay liberation was beginning to develop its own rules about how gay men were supposed to look and behave, the stereotype, and they were not happy about it at all.
• 58:27
  SPEAKER_01: Big police academy, blue oyster bar, yeah, which was good at the time, but it was just becoming too stereotypical.
• 58:34
  SPEAKER_04: And these guys were like, No, we're gonna smash that stereotype, and they put on these nun habits instead and went for a walk around the Castro district.
• 58:43
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, wonderful, and judge by their own account, they said uh they eventually went to a nude beach in full nuns habits.
• 58:50
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, amazing! Yeah, and one of them apparently was carrying a machine gun that the gun was for protection, they attracted an enormous amount of attention, but none of this was um negative, they didn't need the machine guns.
• 59:10
  SPEAKER_01: People saw parts and saw the fan.
• 59:12
  SPEAKER_04: So they said it was for protection, but I think it was just all part of the act, you know, come near us.
• 59:18
  SPEAKER_04: Nuns are now carrying machine guns.
• 59:21
  SPEAKER_04: They attracted massive attention, obviously, and they made more and more appearances around the general area, but also went beyond there as well.
• 59:30
  SPEAKER_04: There wasn't all uh a gay softball game, and while the sisters turned up in a habit and performed with pom-poms, that became a thing then cheerleading now that became a thing after that.
• 59:43
  SPEAKER_04: When he did this, they used to do loads of things with pom-poms.
• 59:47
  SPEAKER_04: More and more people became involved.
• 59:49
  SPEAKER_04: By the end of 1979, the core group included Sister Vicious uh Vicious Power Hungry Bitch, Sister Missionary Position, Sister Hysterectoria, and the Reverend Mother.
• 1:00:05
  SPEAKER_04: Anyway, uh it could have easily remained a drag act because it was doing very, very well as a dract, but one of the founders, uh Sister Hysterectoria, apparently insisted that um if they were gonna do this, they wanted it to mean something.
• 1:00:19
  SPEAKER_04: They were attracting that amount of tension.
• 1:00:22
  SPEAKER_04: Why were they doing weren't they doing more with it?
• 1:00:24
  SPEAKER_04: We could be much more than just a show.
• 1:00:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:00:27
  SPEAKER_01: Do something with their fame.
• 1:00:29
  SPEAKER_04: They wanted a genuine order as well, a nun's order, not a Catholic one, obviously, but an organization with principles, ritual, identity, and purpose.
• 1:00:39
  SPEAKER_04: And this is where the actual order, the sisters of perpetual indulgence, was born.
• 1:00:44
  SPEAKER_04: So they weren't called that before, they were just a drag act in in nuns' habits.
• 1:00:49
  SPEAKER_04: But because it was it was attracting more and more attention and they were being booked and they were being more visible, they were like, more and more people are gonna want to join this, so let's have an order.
• 1:00:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:00:58
  SPEAKER_04: And they created business.
• 1:00:59
  SPEAKER_01: And that would actually elevate them even more, wouldn't it?
• 1:01:02
  SPEAKER_04: So this is like a business, basically now, a charitable business.
• 1:01:06
  SPEAKER_04: And their mission, as the mission of Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence, um, was to spread universal joy and rid this guilt that people were feeling.
• 1:01:18
  SPEAKER_04: Love that.
• 1:01:19
  SPEAKER_04: Love that.
• 1:01:21
  SPEAKER_04: Anyway, so they had this look as well, enormous eyelashes, often glittered beards, crazy makeup.
• 1:01:31
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and you know, with the plainness of the black and white habit, it just made them stand out even more.
• 1:01:37
  SPEAKER_04: So black and white, mad, colourful face and huge lashes, yeah, and pom-poms.
• 1:01:44
  SPEAKER_04: Absolutely nuts.
• 1:01:45
  SPEAKER_04: So they developed their own distinctive uh look and distinctive habits as well.
• 1:01:50
  SPEAKER_04: They did actually make a few little tweaks to the habit to you know, juge it up a little bit, zoz the clubber.
• 1:01:57
  SPEAKER_04: Anyway, um sister hysteria uh designed the early habits and put all the little elements on, and she actually stayed with it and she developed the future habits.
• 1:02:08
  SPEAKER_04: She um designed the head pieces and she called them ear brasiers.
• 1:02:17
  SPEAKER_01: Well, the thing is back then the nuns they did have those.
• 1:02:19
  SPEAKER_01: The box things.
• 1:02:20
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, the box things and the yeah, yeah, but she wanted to call them something different, so she called them ear brasiers or earbus.
• 1:02:26
  SPEAKER_04: And they wore quite white makeup as well to make the lashes and that stand out even more.
• 1:02:31
  SPEAKER_04: So the white around hair, the white face, and then their dramatic eye makeup and lips.
• 1:02:36
  SPEAKER_04: You can imagine how incredible.
• 1:02:38
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, they looked great, really, really, really great.
• 1:02:40
  SPEAKER_04: Incredible, and then Sister Jackie, who I know did exactly that, and you know, would walk around Manchester Pride, walk around Canal Street in any day, really, um, looking really, really outrageous.
• 1:02:53
  SPEAKER_04: Brilliant.
• 1:02:55
  SPEAKER_04: Anyway, so moving on, this has gone on through the years, and I want to talk about um their first protest, it was in 1980, um, and it was connected with the nuclear power thing and all the time, and they just weren't very happy about it, and they decided that they were gonna start using the nun act as more of like protests, raising awareness, charity stuff and all that.
• 1:03:22
  SPEAKER_04: So they started with this and it went down really, really well.
• 1:03:26
  SPEAKER_04: So they were like, hmm, okay, so people are listening to us because we're gay men just as nuns.
• 1:03:31
  SPEAKER_04: So let's make this a regular thing then.
• 1:03:33
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, we are drag arcists, we'll still go on the road, but we're actually going to use this for good now.
• 1:03:39
  SPEAKER_04: So October 1980.
• 1:03:43
  SPEAKER_04: Bingo for queer refugees, sister missionary position, set this up, organized one of their biggest fundraisers.
• 1:03:54
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and this was following the Marielle boat lift.
• 1:03:58
  SPEAKER_04: Thousands of Cubans had arrived in the US, including LGBTQ, and they were facing huge difficulties finding sponsors because of them being gay.
• 1:04:07
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, which is just ridiculous.
• 1:04:09
  SPEAKER_04: So the sisters organise a benefit for gay and lesbian Cuban refugees, and they did this through bingo, just played bingo, followed, but followed by disco and salsa, and the bingo was reportedly called out in English, Spanish, and signed language.
• 1:04:25
  SPEAKER_04: Brilliant.
• 1:04:26
  SPEAKER_01: So forward thinking.
• 1:04:27
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and um the records differ.
• 1:04:30
  SPEAKER_04: So the the sisters history says that they raised$1,500, but the San Francisco Sentinel recorded that they'd raised more than$5,000.
• 1:04:41
  SPEAKER_04: So I don't know whether maybe on the night it was$1,500.
• 1:04:44
  SPEAKER_04: I can't speak.
• 1:04:44
  SPEAKER_04: And then afterwards it was$5,000.
• 1:04:46
  SPEAKER_01: Right, because it always does, doesn't it?
• 1:04:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:04:49
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:04:49
  SPEAKER_04: Now, sister Jackie, my friend, continued the bingo.
• 1:04:54
  SPEAKER_04: So when she came to townhouse to do kink, she would do fundraising and she would say for a specific thing, this is what it's for, and we're gonna do queer bingo, basically.
• 1:05:04
  SPEAKER_04: So she was carrying on the San Francisco legacy here there and everywhere, all around the country in the UK.
• 1:05:10
  SPEAKER_04: And I didn't ever know about the the the this order until Sister Jackie explained it to me and why she was doing it.
• 1:05:17
  SPEAKER_04: Absolutely great.
• 1:05:19
  SPEAKER_04: So, where did they come into their own and why is it so important that we remember these sisters?
• 1:05:26
  SPEAKER_04: 1981, 82, obviously something terrifying was happening right around the world, but seemed to be centered in the big cities in America, like San Francisco, which had a massive gay cause of AIDS.
• 1:05:41
  SPEAKER_04: The term they used at the time was gay cancer.
• 1:05:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:05:46
  SPEAKER_04: They didn't know that HIV was the cause of the recursive, yeah.
• 1:05:52
  SPEAKER_04: They didn't know.
• 1:05:55
  SPEAKER_04: So because of this stigma and the sisters were trying to Um they were using like stigmata and all the little play-on words.
• 1:06:04
  SPEAKER_04: They were using this to raise awareness about AIDS.
• 1:06:08
  SPEAKER_04: Two sisters in the order were qualified nurses.
• 1:06:12
  SPEAKER_04: Sister, Florence Nightingale, and sister Ros Erection, obviously health professionals, they produced a sexual health booklet called Play Fur.
• 1:06:24
  SPEAKER_04: Wow.
• 1:06:25
  SPEAKER_04: It was pioneering.
• 1:06:27
  SPEAKER_04: So rather than saying in this booklet, don't have sex, sex is dangerous, gay sex will kill you.
• 1:06:32
  SPEAKER_04: Because, Kev, do you remember the propaganda that was out there around the time?
• 1:06:38
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I don't remember it around the time because I was a little bit too young, but I remember the adverts.
• 1:06:43
  SPEAKER_01: I I remember the adverts and they were shocking.
• 1:06:45
  SPEAKER_04: They were very shocking.
• 1:06:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:06:47
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:06:47
  SPEAKER_04: They went right up until the late 80s, these adverts.
• 1:06:51
  SPEAKER_04: Um and they were saying, you know, gay sex will kill you.
• 1:06:56
  SPEAKER_04: It must have been terrifying.
• 1:06:58
  SPEAKER_04: You know, this is not a hobby that you can pick up and put down.
• 1:07:02
  SPEAKER_04: It's not something you take medication for.
• 1:07:05
  SPEAKER_04: Contrary to belief back in the day.
• 1:07:08
  SPEAKER_04: This is not even back in the day, Vic.
• 1:07:11
  SPEAKER_01: It's still being in some countries.
• 1:07:14
  SPEAKER_04: Um this is something that's fundamentally you, and you're being told that you can't do it because it'll kill you.
• 1:07:20
  SPEAKER_04: How terrifying must that have been?
• 1:07:26
  SPEAKER_04: So these guys were like, right, this has gonna stop.
• 1:07:29
  SPEAKER_04: And so um 1982, they developed this leaflet, and they uh printed around 16,000 copies of Playfur, and they were distributed around San Francisco's gay and lesbian um parade.
• 1:07:45
  SPEAKER_04: Um did it say it was called Pride, so I'm not too sure about that, but yeah.
• 1:07:50
  SPEAKER_04: And then that was then shared between their friends.
• 1:07:53
  SPEAKER_04: So only 16,000 were developed because of money, it was a charity.
• 1:07:57
  SPEAKER_04: People were told to just like read them carefully, pass them on, tell your friends to pass them on, pass them on, pass them on, spread them as far as you possibly can.
• 1:08:06
  SPEAKER_04: And they did.
• 1:08:08
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and I mean, I can't say you know how many lives might have been saved through this distribution of these leaflets, but I I can say with certainty that some absolutely were.
• 1:08:22
  SPEAKER_04: But the message was spread then further and further and further.
• 1:08:26
  SPEAKER_04: And okay, their leaflets couldn't go too far, but other organisations were then going, oh fucking hell.
• 1:08:32
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, we need to do this too.
• 1:08:34
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and they sent spread abroad.
• 1:08:36
  SPEAKER_04: Unfortunately, in the UK, it came a bit too late.
• 1:08:39
  SPEAKER_04: It was late in the US as well.
• 1:08:40
  SPEAKER_04: You know, you're all being misinformed, but didn't come over here very quick.
• 1:08:45
  SPEAKER_04: Guys did not know this.
• 1:08:46
  SPEAKER_04: This wasn't a gay problem, it wasn't a UK problem, it was a US problem.
• 1:08:50
  SPEAKER_04: They didn't get it, and it was too late.
• 1:08:52
  SPEAKER_04: Our men were fucking dying before the message got over, but thankfully, it did get over.
• 1:08:58
  SPEAKER_04: Down to men and organisations like this uh developing these leaflets, men travelling with the leaflets to our country and other countries on planes.
• 1:09:08
  SPEAKER_04: It's nuts because the media were misre misreporting as well at the time.
• 1:09:13
  SPEAKER_04: It was it was scary, scary, scary times.
• 1:09:17
  SPEAKER_04: So the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence um were eradicating the guilt around being gay because to everybody else you were vermin because you were spreading this thing.
• 1:09:28
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, they were telling you to respect yourself and love others, not just your fellow gay and lesbian men and women, others in general, and you know the straight folk out there to not hate queer, the queer community.
• 1:09:43
  SPEAKER_04: So it was activism, it was massive activism at a time when it was really needed by gay men dressed as nuns with eyelashes and sparkly makeup.
• 1:09:54
  SPEAKER_04: It's nuts.
• 1:09:55
  SPEAKER_04: You can't write this stuff.
• 1:09:56
  SPEAKER_04: But Kev, we've seen this, we've seen this sort of thing happen time and time and time and time again.
• 1:10:03
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, our queer community, we're all just getting used to the word queer.
• 1:10:06
  SPEAKER_04: Our queer community has stood up time and time again, making themselves look outrageous to make people look at them, to make people listen to them.
• 1:10:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, look at look at the um the minors.
• 1:10:19
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I love that story.
• 1:10:20
  SPEAKER_01: You know, the pride film tells the story brilliantly, and you know, the gay community got together to help the minors, right?
• 1:10:28
  SPEAKER_01: And because they were gay, they got the headlines, yes, you know, and they helped the minors, and then the minors helped the gay community.
• 1:10:36
  SPEAKER_01: They came and turned up at the Bride Festival.
• 1:10:38
  SPEAKER_01: It was it's incredible.
• 1:10:40
  SPEAKER_01: That that story, Vic, would make an incredible movie, it would.
• 1:10:44
  SPEAKER_01: Incredible movie.
• 1:10:45
  SPEAKER_01: Imagine, right?
• 1:10:47
  SPEAKER_01: You know, we've had Priscilla, we've had two wong food.
• 1:10:49
  SPEAKER_04: That's not on stage, imagine that.
• 1:10:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and that's a musical, right?
• 1:10:52
  SPEAKER_01: And you'd be up there.
• 1:10:54
  SPEAKER_01: I'd be bouncing, you know, get Whoopi Goldberg out.
• 1:10:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:10:58
  SPEAKER_04: So I know, because I know Kev, the next fancy dress party that we have, Kev is gonna be a sister of the perpetual indulgence, I think.
• 1:11:09
  SPEAKER_01: I've already got the outfit.
• 1:11:13
  SPEAKER_04: Brilliant! Brilliant.
• 1:11:15
  SPEAKER_04: Let's just see uh some of the uh comments here because I've not been um because I've been concentrating on this on this segment.
• 1:11:21
  SPEAKER_01: And I can't see them.
• 1:11:22
  SPEAKER_04: No, loving the names.
• 1:11:25
  SPEAKER_04: Apparently, the help they were getting from lesbians was the reason why L comes before LGBTQ.
• 1:11:32
  SPEAKER_04: That's absolutely right.
• 1:11:33
  SPEAKER_04: I've heard that before.
• 1:11:34
  SPEAKER_04: So when I was doing dikes on bikes, they were massive around the AIDS crisis, but also lots of other things, lots of other things, and during the AIDS crisis, it was lesbians that were sitting next to the guys who were dying when doctors and nurses wouldn't touch them because they didn't understand.
• 1:11:52
  SPEAKER_04: It was the lesbian women, their friends who were sitting there day in, day out, holding their hands, mopping their brow, like you say, unafraid.
• 1:12:01
  SPEAKER_04: Feeding them, unafraid, absolutely amazing.
• 1:12:04
  SPEAKER_04: So, yes, that is true, that is true, Catherine.
• 1:12:07
  SPEAKER_04: Why the L comes first.
• 1:12:09
  SPEAKER_01: As a gay man, you can always rely on your lesbian friends.
• 1:12:13
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, absolutely, right?
• 1:12:14
  SPEAKER_01: If you need plumbing doing, if you need a picture putting up, they've always got a screwdriver, they've always got a drill, yeah, right.
• 1:12:21
  SPEAKER_01: But they also are there for you when you need them.
• 1:12:24
  SPEAKER_01: And the gay men are the same the other way as well.
• 1:12:26
  SPEAKER_01: Um, always, always.
• 1:12:28
  SPEAKER_01: And I think the fact that it's gone L G B T Q plus plus plus whatever, is because we are open to everyone and we're just bringing everyone into the fold and saying, actually, you know, you're a sister.
• 1:12:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, you know, we we can do this, we can get through this, you know, especially now things are going backward.
• 1:12:49
  SPEAKER_04: Oh it really is, it really is.
• 1:12:53
  SPEAKER_04: It will come back again, it will, and you know what?
• 1:12:55
  SPEAKER_04: Um, the gay community, LGBTQ plus community, uh we've overcome such adversity over the years.
• 1:13:03
  SPEAKER_04: Um, gosh, such adversity when you think about it.
• 1:13:07
  SPEAKER_04: But uh the community always stands strong next to each other, 100%, holds each other up, stands fast against adversity, and eventually pushed that away.
• 1:13:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:13:17
  SPEAKER_04: Always.
• 1:13:18
  SPEAKER_04: So, you know, we'll come through this again.
• 1:13:21
  SPEAKER_04: But I love the sisters, I love them too.
• 1:13:23
  SPEAKER_04: I love what they did uh during the 80s.
• 1:13:25
  SPEAKER_01: I want to see that film, I want Russell T.
• 1:13:27
  SPEAKER_01: Davis to write it.
• 1:13:28
  SPEAKER_04: Yep.
• 1:13:28
  SPEAKER_04: Um, I love why they set up in the first place, how it went from fibbing to some nuns saying they were using the habit for the sound of music, and then now still around doing these things, raising awareness and just bringing a little bit of sparkle and joy.
• 1:13:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, 100%.
• 1:13:49
  SPEAKER_04: It's great, it's really, really, very great.
• 1:13:51
  SPEAKER_04: And I don't know whether uh Sister Jackie still watches this because she did at some point.
• 1:13:55
  SPEAKER_04: Um, but hello, my love.
• 1:13:57
  SPEAKER_04: Uh what great nights we had.
• 1:13:59
  SPEAKER_04: Your bingo was boss, and you always looked marvellous.
• 1:14:02
  SPEAKER_01: I'd love to have met you.
• 1:14:04
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, Sister Jackie was great, really, really great.
• 1:14:06
  SPEAKER_04: I'm saying Sister Jackie was like Sister Jackie's really old.
• 1:14:09
  SPEAKER_04: Sister Jackie's not, Sister Jackie's probably a little bit younger than us.
• 1:14:11
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I've probably even seen her out in Canal Street.
• 1:14:14
  SPEAKER_04: You would have seen Sister Jackie's.
• 1:14:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I probably have.
• 1:14:16
  SPEAKER_04: In um in male mode.
• 1:14:18
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:14:18
  SPEAKER_04: Definitely.
• 1:14:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I probably will have done.
• 1:14:21
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:14:21
  SPEAKER_04: I'm not even bothered to tell you the name because it doesn't really make any difference.
• 1:14:24
  SPEAKER_04: It's not, it's not um distinctive.
• 1:14:26
  SPEAKER_04: So I could go on a little bit about the sisters of perpetual indulgence, but you know, we've been going on for ages.
• 1:14:31
  SPEAKER_04: But I wanted to give you this as a little taste of the sort of thing we're gonna be doing.
• 1:14:35
  SPEAKER_01: That's gonna be amazing.
• 1:14:36
  SPEAKER_04: On queerly departed.
• 1:14:38
  SPEAKER_04: It's just stuff that makes you go great that.
• 1:14:42
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:14:43
  SPEAKER_04: Or if it's not that, it's like oh fuck may that really happen to you.
• 1:14:49
  SPEAKER_04: But wow, look at what you did afterwards.
• 1:14:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:14:52
  SPEAKER_04: It's gonna be stuff that makes you just go, mm, sit up and think, Yeah, yeah.
• 1:14:58
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and I'm not running, I'm not gonna be ramming gayness down your throat either, you know, because we're not about that, you know, yeah, we're browsing all the rest of it, but it's not, I'm not gonna ram it down your throat.
• 1:15:08
  SPEAKER_04: But what we are gonna be doing is just highlighting some people who in the past didn't have the freedoms that we have now to say, yeah, I've done all this and I happen to be gay.
• 1:15:17
  SPEAKER_04: They had to hide themselves in the past, or they've had to they've had to force themselves to come out when they didn't need to, and stuff like that.
• 1:15:24
  SPEAKER_04: It hasn't always been, and yeah, I was gonna say it hasn't always been this easy, but it's still not that easy for some people.
• 1:15:29
  SPEAKER_01: No, there's still places that you can't, and there's still people in even in even in the most um progressive countries, there's still stigma.
• 1:15:37
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, there is.
• 1:15:38
  SPEAKER_04: And look what's happening here.
• 1:15:40
  SPEAKER_04: But you know, we're gonna keep it positive for date.
• 1:15:42
  SPEAKER_04: We're not gonna go into it.
• 1:15:43
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and I am gonna leave it there because fucking hell, we've been we have been going to see me time on that.
• 1:15:50
  SPEAKER_01: Oh well, it's been enjoyable though.
• 1:15:51
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, it has been enjoyable.
• 1:15:52
  SPEAKER_04: Um what was we fetish factoid?
• 1:15:55
  SPEAKER_04: Hang on.
• 1:15:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we've got to do a fetish factoid.
• 1:15:58
  SPEAKER_04: Um, okay, I'm not gonna do the whole thing, but I will just ask you the do you know because it wouldn't be the episode without it, and I can't do the third anniversary without a do you know.
• 1:16:09
  SPEAKER_04: So are you all with us?
• 1:16:12
  SPEAKER_04: Oh yeah, Ty just reminded me.
• 1:16:13
  SPEAKER_04: Thanks, Ty.
• 1:16:14
  SPEAKER_01: T-shirt competition.
• 1:16:16
  SPEAKER_04: So, those of you who are still on the episode I did with Kev.
• 1:16:26
  SPEAKER_04: What was the word, the polari word, for a handsome young man?
• 1:16:32
  SPEAKER_04: Go! Oh Ty should say, got your babe.
• 1:16:36
  SPEAKER_04: Well, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.
• 1:16:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yes! Well done, yeah.
• 1:16:42
  SPEAKER_01: Well done, Ty.
• 1:16:43
  SPEAKER_01: Well done.
• 1:16:44
  SPEAKER_01: It is indeed trade.
• 1:16:47
  SPEAKER_01: Oh and we've used it, haven't we?
• 1:16:49
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, when you're you're on holiday, in fact, you've used it, Lords.
• 1:16:53
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, should I say this?
• 1:16:55
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, the guy will never know.
• 1:16:57
  SPEAKER_04: Don't know who he is.
• 1:16:57
  SPEAKER_04: You're on the train, yeah.
• 1:16:59
  SPEAKER_04: Going down to your staff do in London, and he's like, that's taking a sly photo of a hot guy.
• 1:17:06
  SPEAKER_04: He sends it over and went, oh the train.
• 1:17:11
  SPEAKER_01: But he was also, he was, you know, and he was also there was also one as well.
• 1:17:14
  SPEAKER_01: There was there was a guy sat there and he was just like, he's you know, splaying like you do.
• 1:17:18
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I don't know what it is with straight guys, but they splay.
• 1:17:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, right, and they're sitting there like that, and he was bloody bowling there, and I was just like, and I couldn't take a picture because I had someone next to me on the seat, so I couldn't eat your Snickers like that.
• 1:17:40
  SPEAKER_04: Right then, before we go, well done, Ty.
• 1:17:43
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, well done.
• 1:17:43
  SPEAKER_04: I'll be in touch.
• 1:17:44
  SPEAKER_04: Um, what I'd advise, Ty, because you've got quite a lot of t-shirts.
• 1:17:48
  SPEAKER_04: Wait until the new range.
• 1:17:50
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, it's coming out soon.
• 1:17:51
  SPEAKER_04: I've got a Halloween one, some Christmas ones coming out, um, and just got a load of new stuff.
• 1:17:56
  SPEAKER_04: So I would hang on until the new range, unless there's one from the old that you particularly want.
• 1:18:01
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 1:18:02
  SPEAKER_04: Do you know?
• 1:18:03
  SPEAKER_04: The muffin, ma'am.
• 1:18:06
  SPEAKER_04: Do you know what?
• 1:18:08
  SPEAKER_04: Boracera is Boracera.
• 1:18:14
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 1:18:15
  SPEAKER_01: In all honesty, it sounds Spanish.
• 1:18:17
  SPEAKER_04: It's no, it's not.
• 1:18:18
  SPEAKER_04: It's actually Japanese.
• 1:18:19
  SPEAKER_04: Oh.
• 1:18:20
  SPEAKER_04: Maybe I need to say it like Dylan does.
• 1:18:22
  SPEAKER_04: Bolacera!
• 1:18:23
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yes, that's Japanese, that.
• 1:18:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I remember that.
• 1:18:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Boracera.
• 1:18:27
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 1:18:27
  SPEAKER_04: It's a fetish involving school uniforms, sweaty knickers, and plastic bags.
• 1:18:34
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, and that's Japanese.
• 1:18:35
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:18:36
  SPEAKER_04: Basically, uh, I did do this, not this particular thing, on the Pathet Cell Live on stage.
• 1:18:44
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and basically, it's um selling knickers and stuff in vendor machines in Japan.
• 1:18:51
  SPEAKER_04: Really?
• 1:18:51
  SPEAKER_04: Do you not know this?
• 1:18:52
  SPEAKER_04: No.
• 1:18:53
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, okay.
• 1:18:53
  SPEAKER_04: So it's not just this.
• 1:18:55
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, they are sales in shops as well, but there's there's uh butasera shops, but there's vendor machines, and they'll sell um sweaty knickers, socks, and stuff like that.
• 1:19:07
  SPEAKER_04: You can get the vendor machine, and there's literally sweaty knickers in a in a sealy bag.
• 1:19:10
  SPEAKER_04: Oh fancy them.
• 1:19:12
  SPEAKER_01: No, I'm not king shaming, but not king shaming at all.
• 1:19:18
  SPEAKER_04: No, you it's up to you what you want, but so I've looked into this.
• 1:19:22
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, there's also school swimsuits.
• 1:19:26
  SPEAKER_04: The my These are worn by adults though, aren't they?
• 1:19:29
  SPEAKER_04: My issue around this is that it's used underwear, school uniforms, gym clothes, socks, or school swimsuits.
• 1:19:38
  SPEAKER_04: Being sells in vendor machines, but what if adults are buying these?
• 1:19:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but are they adult wearing worn?
• 1:19:45
  SPEAKER_04: Some of that anybody it says so.
• 1:19:47
  SPEAKER_01: So it could be a 12-year-old girl.
• 1:19:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:19:48
  SPEAKER_01: No, no, no, no, no, no.
• 1:19:51
  SPEAKER_04: So this started in the early 1990s, and they were selling these things in vendor machines, and they were the underwear, which is adult underwear, was being sold for roughly$40 to$50 a time.
• 1:20:06
  SPEAKER_04: So obviously, people are paying premium prices for sweaty knickers, but provenance, how do we know that these are actually sweaty, have been worn?
• 1:20:17
  SPEAKER_04: They started putting like photographs of the person wearing them in with the pack to prove that they were the sweaty knickers of that person.
• 1:20:26
  SPEAKER_04: Obviously, school uniforms and stuff like that, that it runs into muddy territory, 1990s, different time completely.
• 1:20:34
  SPEAKER_01: Well, Japan, Japan has got a thing anyway about um women wearing school uniforms.
• 1:20:39
  SPEAKER_01: They have massively.
• 1:20:41
  SPEAKER_01: So that's why I'm asking I was asking, yeah, is it adults wearing it?
• 1:20:45
  SPEAKER_01: But if it's children, that's disgusting.
• 1:20:47
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry.
• 1:20:47
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:20:48
  SPEAKER_04: So um this did actually cause issues, sexualization and commodification of teenage girls and stuff like that.
• 1:20:57
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and even though this was around in the 1990s, people were definitely questioning it.
• 1:21:03
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, there's a few like scandals in the media, there's heavy media coverage over it.
• 1:21:08
  SPEAKER_04: Uh eventually in 1994, uh, Tokyo police arrested a shop manager of one of these shops in a case involving a girl under 18, and then the whole thing was regulated because of this.
• 1:21:20
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 1:21:21
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, good.
• 1:21:21
  SPEAKER_04: So before that, you know, any old fucking Tom Dick and Addis knickers were in this thing and school uniforms, swimsuits.
• 1:21:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's not on.
• 1:21:29
  SPEAKER_04: Now, obviously, it's regulated.
• 1:21:31
  SPEAKER_04: And in 2004, there was a revision and um like a youth protection order and stuff like that in the uh prohibition to purchase and used underwear from miners facilitating such sales.
• 1:21:43
  SPEAKER_04: 2004, though, folks.
• 1:21:50
  SPEAKER_01: Unbelievable.
• 1:21:51
  SPEAKER_04: I would argue that you'd all been born then.
• 1:21:56
  SPEAKER_04: So, anyway, uh just to start on a finish on a on a lighter note, you can still buy women's knickers from vendor machines right across Japan.
• 1:22:07
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, and they will have little pictures in of them.
• 1:22:09
  SPEAKER_04: Well, one wear in them.
• 1:22:10
  SPEAKER_04: Sweatier the better, and the more expensive if they're sweaty, and if they come as a pair with matching bra, obviously, sweaty as well, stained, all that.
• 1:22:18
  SPEAKER_04: I wonder if you can get men's ones.
• 1:22:20
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, she can.
• 1:22:22
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 1:22:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, she can.
• 1:22:23
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, you know, worn knickers and all that.
• 1:22:26
  SPEAKER_04: I am gonna fetish for them, but you know, I'll be like, yeah.
• 1:22:30
  SPEAKER_04: I wouldn't get off on them.
• 1:22:31
  SPEAKER_04: But if they're minging and sweaty.
• 1:22:33
  SPEAKER_01: Oh.
• 1:22:33
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, my nose is like I couldn't cope with that.
• 1:22:36
  SPEAKER_01: I just I just don't know how anyone can.
• 1:22:38
  SPEAKER_04: I can't even buy my own sweat.
• 1:22:40
  SPEAKER_04: I'm always showering.
• 1:22:41
  SPEAKER_04: From here, I am sweating right now.
• 1:22:43
  SPEAKER_04: After this, I'm getting in the shower.
• 1:22:44
  SPEAKER_01: I was in I was in the the the petrol station the other day, and the guy in front of me in the queue to pay absolutely hummed.
• 1:22:52
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely hummed.
• 1:22:53
  SPEAKER_01: He just he he stunk a sweat.
• 1:22:55
  SPEAKER_01: I could I could smell his ass.
• 1:22:58
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 1:22:58
  SPEAKER_01: He just he just stunk.
• 1:23:00
  SPEAKER_01: He just stunk.
• 1:23:01
  SPEAKER_04: He could smell his ass, hell.
• 1:23:03
  SPEAKER_01: Well, it it was that it was that horrible sort of like stale, shitty, pissy, fishy, smagy.
• 1:23:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, smeggy, yeah.
• 1:23:11
  SPEAKER_01: It was that that sort of like smell.
• 1:23:14
  SPEAKER_01: Look, yeah.
• 1:23:15
  SPEAKER_04: Look, just look at the bottom.
• 1:23:17
  SPEAKER_01: I had to make a point when I got to the got to the till.
• 1:23:20
  SPEAKER_01: I had to make a point when he walked out the sh the the garage, I had to make a point to say he stunk.
• 1:23:25
  SPEAKER_01: So the people behind me that came after I did didn't think it was me.
• 1:23:29
  SPEAKER_04: Do they not have an air fresher behind the counter?
• 1:23:32
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't see it.
• 1:23:32
  SPEAKER_01: But she they had this perspective thing up, so she couldn't smell it behind there.
• 1:23:36
  SPEAKER_01: But it was literally where I was stood doing my paying and everything.
• 1:23:39
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, damn.
• 1:23:39
  SPEAKER_01: And I had to I had to make a point to say he stunk because I didn't want the person behind me thinking it was me.
• 1:23:45
  SPEAKER_04: Was it was he old or young?
• 1:23:47
  SPEAKER_01: He was probably, I would say, in his mid to late 60s.
• 1:23:51
  SPEAKER_04: How can you be unaware that you smell like that?
• 1:23:53
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 1:23:54
  SPEAKER_01: Don't know.
• 1:23:55
  SPEAKER_04: It was just if he's so used to it.
• 1:23:57
  SPEAKER_04: So me and Andy the same would have this conversation.
• 1:23:59
  SPEAKER_04: I I'm like shower all the fucking time, man.
• 1:24:02
  SPEAKER_04: Like paranoid.
• 1:24:03
  SPEAKER_04: Right now I am a bit like I'm getting a bit off here.
• 1:24:06
  SPEAKER_04: But I will have a shower.
• 1:24:07
  SPEAKER_04: All people wouldn't if they'd be like that, man.
• 1:24:09
  SPEAKER_04: I'd want this morning.
• 1:24:11
  SPEAKER_04: Which is fine if you're not a snelly person, but when you get older, if he's in his 60s, you know, you I think you do your sweat smells a bit different, you sweat a bit more, you know, a bit of a musty thing going on.
• 1:24:24
  SPEAKER_01: But no, this was stale, like ranked.
• 1:24:27
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:24:28
  SPEAKER_04: Tiger said it's like people stop noticing.
• 1:24:30
  SPEAKER_04: It is a bit really.
• 1:24:31
  SPEAKER_00: It is, yeah.
• 1:24:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:24:32
  SPEAKER_04: I I am the person I would need you to tell me, Vic, you need to have a shower.
• 1:24:37
  SPEAKER_04: I would need it.
• 1:24:38
  SPEAKER_04: If I ever had a cold and I couldn't smell myself and I had bad breath or a pits or whatever, I'd please tell me.
• 1:24:45
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:24:46
  SPEAKER_04: I would be mortified.
• 1:24:48
  SPEAKER_04: Anyway, so you don't fancy the sweaty, dirty female knickers in the vendor machine.
• 1:24:53
  SPEAKER_01: So it's your female ones.
• 1:24:54
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and really and truly not really the male ones either.
• 1:24:57
  SPEAKER_04: No, I don't get off on things like that really.
• 1:25:00
  SPEAKER_04: No, the thought of somebody wearing something and then me having it, I'm not I'm not that kind, really.
• 1:25:05
  SPEAKER_04: I don't want the essence of the person in a garment.
• 1:25:08
  SPEAKER_04: I want the essence of the person on my face.
• 1:25:12
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, when I was younger, have we got time?
• 1:25:14
  unknown: Yeah.
• 1:25:15
  SPEAKER_01: So when when I was younger, I mean I must have been 15 and um went to a barbecue um at a friend of my mum and dad's, and it was a German guy, and um he was hot.
• 1:25:30
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he was hot.
• 1:25:32
  SPEAKER_01: Um and he had a swimming pool in his back garden because we were living in Madrid, and uh I went upstairs to get changed, and he said, just go into my bedroom and get changed, and went into his bedroom and get changed, and I could see some underpants on the floor.
• 1:25:44
  SPEAKER_01: I did pick them up and smell them.
• 1:25:45
  SPEAKER_04: Did you?
• 1:25:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it was clean.
• 1:25:47
  SPEAKER_01: They were clean, they were clean, didn't smell of Jas.
• 1:25:50
  SPEAKER_01: Didn't smell of him.
• 1:25:51
  SPEAKER_01: No, he was he was hot, hot.
• 1:25:54
  SPEAKER_01: He was like one of my first crushes.
• 1:25:56
  SPEAKER_04: Really?
• 1:25:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, one of my first major crushes.
• 1:25:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, used to really fancy him.
• 1:26:01
  SPEAKER_04: Oh wow.
• 1:26:01
  SPEAKER_04: Did you ever get it on?
• 1:26:02
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 1:26:03
  SPEAKER_01: No, he was a ladies' man.
• 1:26:05
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, was he?
• 1:26:06
  SPEAKER_01: Big time ladies' man.
• 1:26:07
  SPEAKER_01: He was in his forties.
• 1:26:08
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, what a shape.
• 1:26:09
  SPEAKER_01: And I was 15, so it would never have happened anyway.
• 1:26:12
  SPEAKER_04: You were 15 on the crushing on his 40 old guy.
• 1:26:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, hairy, tash, yeah, built, just like I like them a bit.
• 1:26:21
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:26:24
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, right, before we go, let's just see what some of the comments are on the end.
• 1:26:29
  SPEAKER_04: It could be depression.
• 1:26:30
  SPEAKER_04: Do you know?
• 1:26:31
  SPEAKER_04: I was actually going to say that.
• 1:26:32
  SPEAKER_04: Some people who are going through depression, they just they haven't even got the energy to wash.
• 1:26:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm not, I'm not, I'm I wasn't judging him for why he's like that.
• 1:26:40
  SPEAKER_01: Just you're letting other people know what's going on.
• 1:26:42
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:26:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:26:43
  SPEAKER_01: He's dunk.
• 1:26:44
  SPEAKER_01: That's all it was.
• 1:26:45
  SPEAKER_04: But so I'm I think most people that if they're that depressed, they can't smell themselves or don't want to wash.
• 1:26:51
  SPEAKER_01: It could be that he's lost his wife, he lives on his own, he only showers once a week or something like that.
• 1:26:57
  SPEAKER_01: You just don't know.
• 1:26:57
  SPEAKER_01: You don't know what's going on in his life.
• 1:27:00
  SPEAKER_01: But he was able to get in his car, drive to the garage, fill his car up with fuel, buy some groceries, and go.
• 1:27:07
  SPEAKER_01: Did he buy soap?
• 1:27:08
  unknown: No.
• 1:27:10
  SPEAKER_04: Should have chucked a bar of soap in his basket.
• 1:27:12
  SPEAKER_01: I'm out after him said, excuse me.
• 1:27:15
  SPEAKER_04: Antiodrant.
• 1:27:16
  SPEAKER_04: Some dull toothpaste.
• 1:27:18
  SPEAKER_04: Little hygiene.
• 1:27:22
  SPEAKER_04: I like people's smells in like a comforting way, the way people's hoodies or t-shirts smell, but not under use.
• 1:27:30
  SPEAKER_04: I'm like that with Jim.
• 1:27:31
  SPEAKER_04: He's got a smell.
• 1:27:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but a lot of it's it's it's aftershave mixed with body smell.
• 1:27:36
  SPEAKER_01: That's quite nice.
• 1:27:37
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it's like when when someone loses someone, isn't it?
• 1:27:40
  SPEAKER_01: The smell is on the pillow and they hug that pillow or their their pajamas that they wore the day before or something.
• 1:27:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:27:46
  SPEAKER_01: I get that.
• 1:27:47
  SPEAKER_04: I get that.
• 1:27:48
  SPEAKER_04: Sounds mad.
• 1:27:49
  SPEAKER_04: I did this when Brillo died.
• 1:27:50
  SPEAKER_04: He had a he had a bed that he slept on.
• 1:27:53
  SPEAKER_04: And um he was taken away in the blanket that he died on.
• 1:27:57
  SPEAKER_04: But his dog blanket was still in the thing, and I was like.
• 1:28:01
  SPEAKER_04: Still smell him.
• 1:28:01
  SPEAKER_04: I had like little bits of hair all around his bed, but he wasn't there anymore.
• 1:28:04
  SPEAKER_04: It was just nuts.
• 1:28:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:28:06
  SPEAKER_04: Death's mad, isn't it?
• 1:28:07
  SPEAKER_01: It is.
• 1:28:08
  SPEAKER_04: You know, it's the it's all it's like they are still there.
• 1:28:10
  SPEAKER_04: And some people would say, Well, they are.
• 1:28:13
  SPEAKER_04: Funny, isn't it?
• 1:28:15
  SPEAKER_04: Anyway.
• 1:28:16
  SPEAKER_04: My big thing is cologne, Boszy smell, and cigarette smoke.
• 1:28:21
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, interesting.
• 1:28:22
  SPEAKER_01: Cigar smoke, I get.
• 1:28:23
  SPEAKER_04: I don't I don't quite like the cigarette smoke.
• 1:28:25
  SPEAKER_04: 100% with pets, the way they smell, especially after they're gone, it's just comforting.
• 1:28:31
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:28:31
  SPEAKER_04: We still like that over another dog.
• 1:28:33
  SPEAKER_04: I can't afford one at the moment, but I'm in the right frame of mind to get another one now.
• 1:28:37
  SPEAKER_04: It's been nearly two years since Luna died, and four since Billow died.
• 1:28:41
  SPEAKER_04: Wow.
• 1:28:42
  SPEAKER_04: And so we are in the right sort of frame of mind.
• 1:28:44
  SPEAKER_04: I've got the love to give again now without crying my leg off every time I think of a dog.
• 1:28:49
  SPEAKER_04: But it's just expense because we only get big dogs.
• 1:28:51
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and they eat a lot.
• 1:28:52
  SPEAKER_04: Vet bills, all that kind of thing.
• 1:28:54
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:28:55
  SPEAKER_04: Right then, folks, we are gonna go.
• 1:28:58
  SPEAKER_04: Did you all enjoy being live again?
• 1:29:01
  SPEAKER_01: I know I did, and it's my first line.
• 1:29:03
  SPEAKER_04: It's your first live.
• 1:29:04
  SPEAKER_01: It's my first live and I've enjoyed it.
• 1:29:06
  SPEAKER_04: So you've enjoyed being live.
• 1:29:07
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sorry I've not really been sort of like out there with it much today because I've been too busy listening to what you've got to say, but it's been really fun.
• 1:29:17
  SPEAKER_01: Good, good.
• 1:29:18
  SPEAKER_01: I'm glad you've enjoyed it.
• 1:29:19
  SPEAKER_04: Oh Sarah, loved it.
• 1:29:22
  SPEAKER_04: Uh Ty loved it.
• 1:29:23
  SPEAKER_04: It was so nice to chat.
• 1:29:26
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, we like to chat, don't we, Ty?
• 1:29:28
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, so proud of you both.
• 1:29:30
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, thank you, Barbs.
• 1:29:32
  SPEAKER_04: Uh 100%.
• 1:29:33
  SPEAKER_04: It's been fab to have you back.
• 1:29:36
  SPEAKER_04: I've missed this so much.
• 1:29:38
  SPEAKER_04: I didn't realise actually how much I'd missed it.
• 1:29:41
  SPEAKER_01: It's just because you're getting the interaction from people, you're actually getting your live feedback.
• 1:29:46
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:29:47
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, it's just part of it.
• 1:29:48
  SPEAKER_04: Um, when we go on Facebook, I quite like going on Facebook because I'm getting a bit of interaction.
• 1:29:53
  SPEAKER_04: And I was doing that because I was missing this.
• 1:29:55
  SPEAKER_01: But these are proper deviants.
• 1:29:56
  SPEAKER_04: These are proper deviants, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:29:58
  SPEAKER_04: So it's just so good.
• 1:29:59
  SPEAKER_04: It's just so good to be back.
• 1:30:01
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 1:30:02
  SPEAKER_04: We're gonna leave it there then.
• 1:30:03
  SPEAKER_04: I'll do actually finish the stream.
• 1:30:05
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, end stream.
• 1:30:06
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, I haven't done it before, have I?
• 1:30:08
  SPEAKER_04: We've been chatting away, still streaming.
• 1:30:12
  SPEAKER_04: Right, so we're gonna go.
• 1:30:13
  SPEAKER_04: Do you want to do the thing or do you want to do the thing?
• 1:30:15
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, hang on.
• 1:30:16
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, we need to do these live.
• 1:30:24
  SPEAKER_01: Oh.
• 1:30:25
  SPEAKER_01: Dirty bitch.
• 1:30:29
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, let's just see.
• 1:30:30
  SPEAKER_04: And what an achievement, 150 episodes, three years, and figure all this out yourself in nine months.
• 1:30:36
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, so good having you live again.
• 1:30:38
  SPEAKER_04: Good night, everyone.
• 1:30:39
  SPEAKER_04: So obviously Catherine's in a different country.
• 1:30:41
  SPEAKER_04: So, yes, we're gonna go.
• 1:30:43
  SPEAKER_04: Thank you, everybody, who joined us today.
• 1:30:46
  SPEAKER_04: Really, really loved being back chatting to you all.
• 1:30:49
  SPEAKER_04: Really fucking missed it.
• 1:30:51
  SPEAKER_04: So I think we'll have to do it again, aren't we?
• 1:30:53
  SPEAKER_04: I think so.
• 1:30:54
  SPEAKER_04: We're gonna have to do it again.
• 1:30:55
  SPEAKER_04: We didn't do it for every episode previously.
• 1:30:57
  SPEAKER_04: I think we should do every other one.
• 1:30:58
  SPEAKER_04: I don't think I'd do it every other one.
• 1:30:59
  SPEAKER_04: I'd have a meltdown.
• 1:31:00
  SPEAKER_04: Maybe once a month or once a quarter.
• 1:31:02
  SPEAKER_04: I was gonna say once a month or something like that, but let's just figure that out in my head first, see how the post-production side goes.
• 1:31:08
  SPEAKER_04: I've still got work to do after this for the masses.
• 1:31:11
  SPEAKER_04: I'll see how easy it is for the post-production, how quick it is, and uh I'll make a decision on when we're gonna do it again, but soon, and we're definitely doing it again because I've missed it so much, and it fucking worked.
• 1:31:24
  SPEAKER_04: I had anxiety this morning.
• 1:31:26
  SPEAKER_01: It's worked, it's worked fantastic.
• 1:31:28
  SPEAKER_01: You've done your prep.
• 1:31:29
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, yes.
• 1:31:31
  SPEAKER_04: Right then, so we're gonna go.
• 1:31:33
  SPEAKER_04: Am I doing it or you do it?
• 1:31:34
  SPEAKER_01: No, I'll do it if you want.
• 1:31:34
  SPEAKER_01: Go on.
• 1:31:35
  SPEAKER_01: So if you're binge watching, put the kettle on.
• 1:31:38
  SPEAKER_01: We'll see you in five.
• 1:31:40
  SPEAKER_01: If not, see you next week.
• 1:31:41
  SPEAKER_04: And cheers to three years.
• 1:31:43
  SPEAKER_04: Thanks everybody.
• 1:31:44
  SPEAKER_01: Cheers, everyone.
• 1:31:45
  SPEAKER_04: Bye.
• 1:31:46
  SPEAKER_04: Bye.
• 1:31:48
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• 1:31:53
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• 1:32:00
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• 1:32:14
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• 1:32:22
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