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ITB: What's Next For Eagles After Slow Start To Free Agency? · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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Speaker 1: Inside the Birds is back. What's going on? Everybody? It's
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Speaker 1: Jeff Mosher, Adam Kaplan. Now it's Thursday, Adam. That means
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Speaker 1: the new league year technically started Wednesday at noon. However,
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Speaker 1: you and I even on podcasts and with Greg Cosell,
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Speaker 1: I've been talking about free agent signings for a couple
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Speaker 1: of days now because that's just the way it is.
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Speaker 1: We've gone through the first wave of free agency. We
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Speaker 1: did it with Greg. Greg had some really good breakdowns
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Speaker 1: of guys changing. I think my big takeaway was the
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Speaker 1: division the NFC East might actually be interesting for once,
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Speaker 1: because I know we've said that in the past. Of
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Speaker 1: the Giant Yeah Giants. I think the Commanders have made
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Speaker 1: some decent moves. Are certainly younger, but like there's you're
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Speaker 1: right that there's some remains to be seen. And then
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Speaker 1: the Cowboys made some additions well, and then they went
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Speaker 1: and traded Odiggy Zoo because you know, they're changing their
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Speaker 1: defensive scheme now with Christian Parker. So really I would
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Speaker 1: just say this, the NFC East is pretty interesting, but
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Speaker 1: the Eagles are kind of like with the thumb twiddle
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Speaker 1: as they always do in free agency.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, look, no, they're there. This is what we told
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Speaker 2: people for the second three year are gonna be low
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Speaker 2: cash bends. Exactly what's happened now, I'd say it with
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Speaker 2: an asterisk. They need an edge rusher. Okay, they have
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Speaker 2: money to spend on edge rush so it could trade
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Speaker 2: for one, they could sign one or two. Uh. The
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Speaker 2: fact they need to to be honest with you in
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Speaker 2: fact that they will add too by training camp, whether
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Speaker 2: it's two in the draft to a free agency mix,
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Speaker 2: a mixture. They're going to have to do it and
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Speaker 2: don't have any depth. But yeah, it's it's gone like
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Speaker 2: we thought. But then there was the news that came out.
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Speaker 2: Bryce tof announced his retirement the egle and they are there. Boy,
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Speaker 2: he was their first like he's a perfect fit for
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Speaker 2: the uh the wide nine he is. He was their
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Speaker 2: first edge off the bench. And remember Mike cal Williams
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Speaker 2: their first round pick last year towards a cl Yep.
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Speaker 2: They have no depth, so they have a problem.
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Speaker 1: Man.
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Speaker 2: They have ke On White, who's former second rounder for
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Speaker 2: the Patriots, who was on the final years rookie deal.
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Speaker 2: It's an okay player, but they just don't have much,
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Speaker 2: so they didn't make the trade as you said, they
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Speaker 2: got Oc Digazua, who will be a good fit for
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Speaker 2: that system. They were they were there like nothing at dtackle.
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Speaker 2: So you see why teams make these trades. But yeah, Dallas,
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Speaker 2: as we move along here, they're shaking it up. Nude
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Speaker 2: defensive game thirty four front two overhangs. They have a
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Speaker 2: pass rusher problem. Don Donovan Azaraku had hip labor surgery.
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Speaker 2: He'll be out to the training camp at the very least.
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Speaker 2: It's a bad Wow.
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Speaker 1: I didn't see that. Oh yeah, yeah, makes the Shawn Garry. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: oh they had to.
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Speaker 2: They don't have a they don't have a second edge
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Speaker 2: right now. They have they have a problem. Sam Williams
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Speaker 2: is their backup, but he's not starter right boy. There's
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Speaker 2: an edge rusher drought here.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, there really is. There is. By the way, the
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Speaker 1: men you mentioned the Niners. It's weird. You're right, they've
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Speaker 1: they didn't have any depth last year. They won twelve games.
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Speaker 1: They get a player like o Diggi Zua for the middle.
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Speaker 1: That's good. Mike Evans I think will fit as long
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Speaker 1: as he's healthy. He's gonna fit that offense to a t.
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Speaker 1: So that's that's an interesting team to kind of watch.
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Speaker 1: They brought back Dray Greenlaw as well, so a lot
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Speaker 1: of things going on. I thought, Adam the Eagles, I
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Speaker 1: think we talked about this on the pod. I thought
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Speaker 1: for them, we both did that Bradley Chubb would be
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Speaker 1: a really efficient kind of signing because he got released,
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Speaker 1: so he wasn't gonna cost you in the compict formula.
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Speaker 1: He can pay him whatever he wanted. You can bring
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Speaker 1: him in and still have maneuverability to keep your picks
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Speaker 1: and do other things. But he wound up signing with
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Speaker 1: the Bills, And to me, that's just made that just
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Speaker 1: that just really shows you that how he's gonna have
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Speaker 1: to get creative here on the trade market, talk about
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Speaker 1: maybe Jonathan Grenard with the Vikings or something, because I
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Speaker 1: you know, and he's good at this obviously, and sometimes
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Speaker 1: we're good at figuring out who might be available. But
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Speaker 1: I'm struggling to see if you don't bring in a
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Speaker 1: Jonathan Garnard here or trade for him or where you go,
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Speaker 1: like what's behind door number two, three or four for
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Speaker 1: the Eagles. I mean, how he's good at it, but
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Speaker 1: I don't know right now. It seems thin right now
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Speaker 1: for a team that really needs an Edge rusher.
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Speaker 2: Well, the Edge Rush group that's left unrestricted free agents
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Speaker 2: who are straight free agents who were released. Cam Jordan's
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Speaker 2: out there. That's you know, that's he's near the end
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Speaker 2: of his career, gonna be Hall of Famer most likely
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Speaker 2: Joey Bosa in his thirties on the back nine. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: Arnold Abacketty, we've talked about him before. He'd be a
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Speaker 2: third edge. He would not be a starter. Yep. Uh.
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Speaker 2: We love Kyle Vannoy in the show, but I mean
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Speaker 2: he's the guy's amazing. I don't know he found this
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Speaker 2: fountain of view if we talked about him a couple
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Speaker 2: weeks agohen we previewed the Edge Rushers. Yeah, the well
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Speaker 2: traveled Dante Fallard, dj Wanham, who's a decent third edge
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Speaker 2: of Carolina sees is a power and he doesn't fit.
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Speaker 2: Mike Daana was cut. He's a backup at this point.
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Speaker 2: Leonard Floyd Good, he'd be a third edge. Von Miller
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Speaker 2: will be Hall of Famers near the end. Triumph Man.
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Speaker 2: We loved him like four years ago. He just hasn't
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Speaker 2: done it. Yep. Derek Barnett, forget it, clowney.
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Speaker 1: No, I actually would almost think the clowney might make
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Speaker 1: a little bit of sense, but only if I would
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Speaker 1: only do it, And a lot of these guys I
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Speaker 1: were the same thing, only if I had like a all,
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Speaker 1: if I had Jalen Phillips, I was looking for number three.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, exactly right.
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Speaker 1: All the guys you are talking about are kind of
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Speaker 1: rotational guys. But honestly, right now, Jallex Hunt and Nolan Smith,
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Speaker 1: you've got an emerging guy in Jallex Hunt, but I
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Speaker 1: still don't I'm not ready to say he's your all
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Speaker 1: pro every single down edge either. And we know that
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Speaker 1: that's not Nolan Smith yet as well. He's been hurt
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Speaker 1: and he didn't really have a great year last year.
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Speaker 1: So right now it feels like the Eagles have a
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Speaker 1: bunch of threes.
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Speaker 2: Well Hunt, Hunt really came on the second half of
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Speaker 2: the season was was really impressive, but yeah, he's not
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Speaker 2: there yet. And Smith just can't stay healthy. He made
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Speaker 2: the strides in the second year and unfortunately Super Bowl.
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Speaker 2: Then last year hurt wasn't really much of a factor
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Speaker 2: that he's a good run defender, really proved against the run. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: other teams have told us, but it's it's a tough way. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I honestly, if it's not Jonathan Grenard, who's underpaid at
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Speaker 2: nineteen million a season, I don't know where they get them.
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Speaker 2: And now they the Vikings have gotten their cap situations
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Speaker 2: straight now, so they don't have any to trade them.
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Speaker 2: They do have if they did trade them, they have
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Speaker 2: Dallas Turner who was the first round or two years ago.
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Speaker 2: Of course Miles and of course Andrew van Kinkel, who's
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Speaker 2: a VIC protege. Yeah, so that's what they got.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I wonder if they wind up signing Kyler Murray,
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Speaker 1: which is you know, the buzzy Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's I mean, it makes sense, right, I wonder. I
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Speaker 1: think you make a great point, like they're if they
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Speaker 1: think Kyler Murray can give them like, you know, B
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Speaker 1: plus level quarterback play within their system, because Kevin O'Connell's
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Speaker 1: got a very quarterback friendly system, then they should think
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Speaker 1: that they've got a pretty good overall team and maybe
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Speaker 1: not want to trade Jonathan Gernard because they have a
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Speaker 1: pretty decent roster. Uh, they can compete with anybody. You know,
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Speaker 1: the Eagles played them when they were really really hurt
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Speaker 1: this past year, and it's not that it was a
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Speaker 1: it got to be a lopsided win, but there were
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Speaker 1: some struggles there early on in the game. So I
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Speaker 1: think they're they're a well coached team. Floors is great,
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Speaker 1: Like they don't have to, to your point, get rid
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Speaker 1: of that guy unless the.
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Speaker 2: Only problem with that team is now they cut both
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Speaker 2: of their starting tackles who found other homes. Jonathan Allen
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Speaker 2: was cut found a team and so did Hargrave. Yep. Uh,
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Speaker 2: so they have to replace those guys. They need a
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Speaker 2: third receiver Jalen Naylor. I cannot believe the contract he got.
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Speaker 1: Wow, that was there's there's something line one that Christian
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Speaker 1: Kirk line too.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, look there there there got mid level free agency,
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Speaker 2: like like I got ahold of the uh breakdown for
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Speaker 2: Johan Dotson. I cannot believe they gave him guaranteed money
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Speaker 2: in near to Atlanta. Why would you do that?
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Speaker 1: The guys at three, Well, just what you must see
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Speaker 1: something that Yeah.
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Speaker 2: He's probably gonna have, he's probably gonna start.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, because they really don't have, right they they moved
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Speaker 1: on from Mooney, right, they.
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Speaker 2: Took right now, he's the starter. Sakias. They brought Sakias back.
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Speaker 2: He's not a starter Ton Dotson right now, unless they
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Speaker 2: draft someone, it's gonna start opposite London. I saw there's
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Speaker 2: got to be someone on that new coaching staff that
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Speaker 2: liked him. I don't know who.
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Speaker 1: I don't know who it is, but yeah, they're gonna
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Speaker 1: they're gonna draft somebody. But then they're gonna right, but
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Speaker 1: they're gonna run the same issue. If you draft an
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Speaker 1: outside corner. We'll get to the Eagles in a minute, people,
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Speaker 1: I promise, But I like talking about this stuff. If
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Speaker 1: you draft a really good, top flight corner to play
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Speaker 1: alongside Drake London, who is a straight ex one of
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Speaker 1: the best in the league, and then what are you
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Speaker 1: doing with Dotson? Again, he's back to he's not a
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Speaker 1: slot He's not a natural slot guy. So he's there.
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Speaker 1: He's your number three wide receiver who's going to be
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Speaker 1: a Z. But if you draft well and get a
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Speaker 1: good guy, then it's gonna be hard to get Dots
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Speaker 1: on the field. But then again, also Stefanski is a
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Speaker 1: twelve personnel guy, so he'll probably wind up getting another
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Speaker 1: tight end to pair with Pitts and they may not
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Speaker 1: useing them or three receivers much.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that Dotson got two years, fifteen million. They fully
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Speaker 2: guaranteed ten million at signing. I'm just you could have
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Speaker 2: pushed member with a feather that one. Yeah, I just
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Speaker 2: who that's I know on your point, I thought the
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Speaker 2: same thing. But I'm like they must have thought like
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Speaker 2: with Christian Kirk. I will never forget checking on his
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Speaker 2: market and maybe the Eagles were mentioned. I forget whenever
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Speaker 2: he signed there with Jacksonville. But his agent was telling
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Speaker 2: clubs that, hey man, I got this deal and forget it.
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Speaker 2: I'm not We're not going there. And they thought he's bluffing.
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Speaker 2: The Christian Kirk there was. There were a lot of
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Speaker 2: teams that loved him for free agency. Doug Love Peterson
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Speaker 2: loved him. I don't know why.
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Speaker 1: I think he was a good player. He's a good player,
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Speaker 1: just nobody thought him at that time. I think it
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Speaker 1: was twenty two million a year, right, No one thought
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Speaker 1: of him a thing like number one player.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm gonna look that one up.
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Speaker 1: He's like a good thousand yard receiver. If he's like
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Speaker 1: one of your top two target, it's on a team,
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Speaker 1: you know.
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Speaker 2: Kirk Kirk got no was a little less, but it
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Speaker 2: was ridiculous. Four years seventy two million, eighteen a year.
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Speaker 1: That's still for that. That was like five years ago, correct.
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Speaker 2: It was. It was March of of six of sixteen
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Speaker 2: of twenty two, March sixteenth, March sixteenth of twenty two,
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Speaker 2: twenty years ago.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, four years ago. And that's what the market
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Speaker 1: was four years ago. That was the top of the market.
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Speaker 1: That's unbelievable anyway, all right, so we'll move on. We'll
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Speaker 1: continue to talk about the Eagles. Some interesting things going
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Speaker 1: on with them, both from guys that they brought in
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Speaker 1: and guys that they already have. I believe we did
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Speaker 1: address the Johnny Mont signing in the last podcast or
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Speaker 1: with Greg He's they're blocking tight end, Adam. Their whole
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Speaker 1: tight end room is really wonky right now. Right, They
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Speaker 1: have Johnny Mont, They bring back Grant Calcaterra on a
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Speaker 1: one year deal the as of the time of us
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Speaker 1: recording this, which I feel like I'm gonna have to
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Speaker 1: say a couple of times now over the next few days.
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Speaker 1: Dallas Goddard Thursday Night Yeah, Yes, Yes, Thursday Night Yeah.
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Speaker 1: As Thursday Night Gotard, I think the deadline's approaching again
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Speaker 1: for his Do you have a better way to articulately.
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Speaker 2: I would be I would be very surprised if we
11:21
Speaker 2: don't have a resolution by the end of the weekend
11:23
Speaker 2: where he's going to sign, whether he's back in Philly.
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Speaker 2: Who we spite all of it. I don't know where
11:27
Speaker 2: this stuff came back. That there was no way he
11:29
Speaker 2: was coming back at this total nonsense. We told people
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Speaker 2: that we told but they are keeping in touch with
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Speaker 2: Eagles and I'll make a decision. Uh. The one that
11:41
Speaker 2: stuns me is David and Joke, who's still out there.
11:43
Speaker 2: I know he's had an injury history. Yeah, someone's getting
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Speaker 2: a bargain wherever he goes. The chief is available, man,
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Speaker 2: you gotta someone's got an.
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Speaker 1: I'm struggling to make sense in general, adam of the
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Speaker 1: tight end market, because yes, Goddard's still technically available, and
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Speaker 1: the joke who's available John new Smith, who can serve
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Speaker 1: a purpose in a offense that you need a pass
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Speaker 1: catching tight end. I believe both.
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Speaker 2: He does both.
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Speaker 1: Actually, yeah he can. He's pretty good him as a
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Speaker 1: pretty good option for the Eagles if they lose got.
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Speaker 2: It is you can thank Arthur Smith for ruining that.
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Speaker 2: So this is this is typical of Arthur Smith. Right,
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Speaker 2: they extend his contract last year. He doesn't get him
12:20
Speaker 2: in the football. The guy now has coached him in
12:22
Speaker 2: three places. He doesn't have to get him the football.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, excuse me, it's true.
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Speaker 2: Tennessee Okay, yep, Atlanta and Pittsburgh. He was coming off
12:32
Speaker 2: a careera with Miami. What are you doing? It's just
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Speaker 2: bad coaching.
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Speaker 1: Indeed, where's Arthur's heett? Ohio State?
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Speaker 2: Now State? Okay?
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Speaker 1: Well, good thing? John who doesn't have to go back.
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Speaker 2: With Matt Patricia former Eagle legendary coach.
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Speaker 1: That's right? Uh Mo, Ali Cox I believe is still
12:48
Speaker 1: still he's a block. But at this point you're looking
12:51
Speaker 1: for for some guys with starting experience. I mean, I'm
12:53
Speaker 1: not a big Will Disley guy, and I know he
12:56
Speaker 1: got bench, but he has played in this kind of
12:58
Speaker 1: an offense before, so.
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Speaker 2: Why so.
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Speaker 1: So that's why I'm kind of confused about this market.
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Speaker 1: There are a couple of guys out there who can
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Speaker 1: who can do some things, and yet guys like Foster
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Speaker 1: Moreau and Jack Stole have signed, but those guys haven't.
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Speaker 2: So very it's been a weird free agency, man, as
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Speaker 2: a matter of fact, and we saw us a little
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Speaker 2: bit last year, a lot of guys who would not
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Speaker 2: typically sign to the third week freeny because they're there
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Speaker 2: bottom of the barrel of top guy of available free agents,
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Speaker 2: they're signing this week. I don't know. I don't know,
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Speaker 2: but there are a lot of good football players left,
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Speaker 2: and man, the leverage goes to the clubs when you
13:36
Speaker 2: get to the second week. The players of zero leverage
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Speaker 2: like zero especially better sign, you know, right, So.
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Speaker 1: Here's the situation. Then the Eagles at tight end are
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Speaker 1: either going to figure it out with Dallas Goddard and
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Speaker 1: then your room is going to look like Goddard and
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Speaker 1: Calcatara and mount and we'll see what happens with Cam
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Speaker 1: Latu those are like and then.
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Speaker 2: I mean he's on the rosters. Bring into the season
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Speaker 2: and then they.
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Speaker 1: For sure will draft somebody. So it looks okay, there
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Speaker 1: you got well.
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Speaker 2: You know what hang on? I would say theoretically yes,
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Speaker 2: but I think it, but go ahead, it certainly won't.
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Speaker 2: I mean, bring Goddard, black Wave zero to do with
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Speaker 2: them if they wanted to draft, if they want to
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Speaker 2: tight end, they take one in the first round. I mean,
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Speaker 2: if they think there's the kid from Morgan, if they
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Speaker 2: want to draft it tight end the first round. They
14:23
Speaker 2: draft the tight end. But what I'm saying is they
14:26
Speaker 2: have so many needs this season. As I said last week,
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Speaker 2: I don't remember in the history of our show. This
14:31
Speaker 2: is year nine, there are very few positions where they
14:34
Speaker 2: don't need least depth or a starter. You know, it's
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Speaker 2: it depends on the position, right. I just have a
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Speaker 2: lot of needs. It's just it's kind of odd, but that's.
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Speaker 1: One of them. I mean, if if we take them
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Speaker 1: at their word, which they they they are they should be.
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Speaker 1: They draft for the future, not for the immediate.
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Speaker 2: No, no, I drafted.
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Speaker 1: They need a tight end as badly as they've ever
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Speaker 1: needed one, So they do well.
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Speaker 2: Look, if God doesn't come back and they don't sign
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Speaker 2: in Djoko, you don't want to say they have to
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Speaker 2: draft tight end early, but what choice do they have.
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Speaker 2: They'd have to wait for the cut of what I
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Speaker 2: call the NFL's version of the NBA buy out market,
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Speaker 2: the cut market. Ye, you need it, you need it
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Speaker 2: that at starting tight end, No, not even close. If
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Speaker 2: no one is remotely close to being a starter, correct,
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Speaker 2: especially is a is a maybe he'll play a third
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Speaker 2: of the snaps, good for blocking purposes. If a lot
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Speaker 2: too makes it, that's all he'll do. They'll my sense
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Speaker 2: is that this staff will understand how to use him
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Speaker 2: half of the tight ends. Coach will understand how to
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Speaker 2: They're not going to ask him make cross blocks, right, nonsense.
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Speaker 2: There was some bad coaching last season, terrible the stuff
15:37
Speaker 2: that the stuff that they asked these guys to do
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Speaker 2: was embarrassing and we would point it out, what are
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Speaker 2: they doing here on inside the table of Cosel right
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Speaker 2: and and our Patreon members asked Greg that they go.
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Speaker 2: He just he thought it was too difficult, you know.
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Speaker 1: All right, So that's the state. We'll see what they
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Speaker 1: do there now. As for Riek Wolland, you know we
15:55
Speaker 1: talked about him also with Greg cosso he's got a
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Speaker 1: little bit more intel. What have you I'll share after,
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Speaker 1: but I'll let you go first. What have you learned
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Speaker 1: in the coming days.
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Speaker 2: About Basically, he was looking like a superstar year one
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Speaker 2: coming out of ut San Antonio, Okay. In twenty twenty
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Speaker 2: two is a fifth rounder for the Seahawks. He just
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Speaker 2: was phenomenal. He did play with an injury. Year two,
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Speaker 2: he missed a big chunk of training camp and the
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Speaker 2: regression started in year three in twenty twenty four, and
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Speaker 2: the bottom dropped out. He was very available. I was
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Speaker 2: joking with you earlier this week. I mean, they were
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Speaker 2: so willing to move him. They didn't really have a
16:38
Speaker 2: replacement because Josh Job and Witherspoon ready, they played three
16:42
Speaker 2: their nickel team, they played three corners. They really didn't
16:45
Speaker 2: have a fourth corner who they could play. They they
16:48
Speaker 2: didn't care because they knew theyren't going to resign him.
16:51
Speaker 2: He regressed significantly. Now sometimes a change of scenior he
16:55
Speaker 2: could help a player. Talked to a receivers coach who
16:57
Speaker 2: went up against him. Their team targeted him. If their
17:01
Speaker 2: quarterback would have played better, they probably would have burned
17:03
Speaker 2: him a bunch. This I think this game might have
17:06
Speaker 2: been the regular season. But yeah, there's talent there though.
17:10
Speaker 2: I mean again, he there's been a point in this
17:12
Speaker 2: in his career where you go, wow, round six to four.
17:17
Speaker 2: He's got everything you want, but he's just his play
17:20
Speaker 2: has dropped also significantly. Yeah, you know, if you're the Eagles,
17:23
Speaker 2: you're glad you only signed him for one year and
17:25
Speaker 2: now they we haven't got the breakdown yet on the contract.
17:28
Speaker 2: But again it's only one year and it's not going
17:30
Speaker 2: to stop them from doing anything. But I also was
17:34
Speaker 2: joking with our patron members that this is the kind
17:36
Speaker 2: of player that how he likes flashy and stuff, and yeah,
17:42
Speaker 2: he's got exactly how he calls it twitchy. If they're
17:45
Speaker 2: in November and they haven't drafted a corner in the
17:47
Speaker 2: first or second round, if he's killing it, if he's
17:50
Speaker 2: turned his career around. They got Roy Anderson, the quarterbacks coach.
17:52
Speaker 2: Has some discipline would shock as if he extended They
17:56
Speaker 2: didn't do it this past November, but they've extended contracts
17:59
Speaker 2: before in November.
18:00
Speaker 1: Yes, there's such a high ceiling, but there's also a
18:03
Speaker 1: low floor for him if he does not correct some
18:07
Speaker 1: of the things that have that have plagued him. And
18:10
Speaker 1: some of it is not like you know how we
18:12
Speaker 1: talk about Killia Ringo and you're just built a certain way.
18:15
Speaker 1: So he's always struggled to throttle down. It's hard to correct,
18:18
Speaker 1: okay with Wooln you know. And I spoke to a
18:21
Speaker 1: personnel person whose job was to watch his tape for
18:24
Speaker 1: free agency for his team, and he corroborated a lot
18:27
Speaker 1: of things that are out there that we've reported already,
18:31
Speaker 1: but with Woolen, he is way too penalty prone. He
18:35
Speaker 1: actually led the Seahawks in penalties, and those when cornerbacks
18:41
Speaker 1: lead your team in penalties, that's bad for your defense
18:43
Speaker 1: because a lot of that is usually pass interference or
18:46
Speaker 1: defensive holding. Those are automatic first downs or automatic you know,
18:50
Speaker 1: spot fouls all the way down the fields. It's really
18:53
Speaker 1: difficult when you get hit with those kind of penalties.
18:57
Speaker 1: You know, it's one thing if you're going off accidentally,
18:59
Speaker 1: all that sucks, but you don't see that ht. But yeah,
19:02
Speaker 1: those kind of penalties are killer. And for whatever reason,
19:06
Speaker 1: despite his speed right in long arms, this personal person
19:10
Speaker 1: told me he really struggles with the deep ball, which
19:14
Speaker 1: is surprising. I mean, you have faster long arms, but
19:17
Speaker 1: I try to figure out is that a ball tracking thing?
19:19
Speaker 2: So yeah, look, Wille's talented. They're not done a corner
19:22
Speaker 2: and I haven't close to done a corner. They have
19:24
Speaker 2: a two started for now, they don't have their third
19:26
Speaker 2: or fourth corner. I mean, they just they have a
19:29
Speaker 2: lot of work to do it. This is just one
19:31
Speaker 2: of those years where you look at it, Ringo, they
19:32
Speaker 2: don't play them on Defensejcrane Bennett is on the roster,
19:37
Speaker 2: but they don't know about him. And you know, Coop
19:41
Speaker 2: can play corner. He has play corner. Mac McWilliams was
19:44
Speaker 2: mostly inactive in the season. They don't they don't know
19:47
Speaker 2: who their third and fourth corners are. So a lot
19:49
Speaker 2: of work to do it at the cornerback position for
19:50
Speaker 2: the Philadelphiggles.
19:52
Speaker 1: And you know, so you throw that in. We talked
19:55
Speaker 1: about edge, we're talking about tight end and safety because
19:59
Speaker 1: what what's the plan there? Because Marcus EPs is a
20:02
Speaker 1: free agent. Re Blanketship's already gone. Sydney Brown is not playing,
20:05
Speaker 1: and you.
20:06
Speaker 2: Will not fight. He will not play on defense unless
20:09
Speaker 2: see this reminds me I used to. You might remember
20:12
Speaker 2: this was one year watching Chris Maragos had to play
20:16
Speaker 2: for whatever reason, the Eagles lost a bunch of safeties.
20:18
Speaker 1: I remember that, yep.
20:19
Speaker 2: And all I see is number forty two was played.
20:23
Speaker 2: Literally you want to talk about single high he was
20:25
Speaker 2: in Camden. Okay, he was so far back because he
20:29
Speaker 2: did he just stated, at want him on the field
20:30
Speaker 2: other than special teams. Right, Sidney Brown, it's like for
20:33
Speaker 2: them to play on defense, it's got to be like
20:36
Speaker 2: no one's literally available on the roster like, they will
20:38
Speaker 2: not put them up there.
20:39
Speaker 1: I mean, Andre Sam's probably looking around right now said
20:41
Speaker 1: I kind of shot here, Maneah he does.
20:43
Speaker 2: I mean he's a force safety type. So right now,
20:47
Speaker 2: obviously mccooba, they don't know. It's Sidney Brown, doesn't factor
20:51
Speaker 2: he's a forced safety macioc Williams really was not cross trained.
20:55
Speaker 2: Michael Carter definitely will We reported that at the time
20:58
Speaker 2: when they made the trade, they were going to cross
21:00
Speaker 2: train and back at safety where he played at Duke
21:03
Speaker 2: under well Joe Casper, the DB's coach who was promoted
21:06
Speaker 2: to DB's coach, he was with him at Duke for
21:08
Speaker 2: a time, so he obviously knows him. But Joe Douglas
21:12
Speaker 2: drafted him. By the way, Joe Douglas is on the
21:14
Speaker 2: Eagles personnel staff, so they have an insight on him.
21:16
Speaker 2: So we'll see what happens. But they have to dress
21:19
Speaker 2: that position. There's no question. It is remarkable. We'll redo
21:24
Speaker 2: on our Monday morning show. We're going to do the coaches.
21:26
Speaker 2: We'll go over the coaching staff, the new coaching staff
21:28
Speaker 2: on Monday, and we're going to reshuffle the needs. I'm
21:31
Speaker 2: sure they'll add some more players over the weekend. They
21:33
Speaker 2: have so many I think my head's gonna split.
21:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, they theoretically need like two safeties to be.
21:38
Speaker 2: Honest, well they do know they honestly they need a
21:42
Speaker 2: starting safety and the third safety. Let Andre sam and
21:46
Speaker 2: Michael Carter could be a third safety, you know, yeah,
21:49
Speaker 2: he could do that and if if, if they're totally
21:52
Speaker 2: shut out for the draft, maybe compete for the starting job.
21:54
Speaker 2: But they'll add more. They have they have. They haven't
21:57
Speaker 2: spent a lot of money. By the way, they've spend.
21:59
Speaker 2: Remember they've got all that money that they saved from
22:01
Speaker 2: not resigning Jalen Phillips, so they've got they've they've got money,
22:06
Speaker 2: and they budgeted money for corner anyway, so they've they've
22:09
Speaker 2: addressed it. Ye Edge, we talked about de tackle. They're good.
22:14
Speaker 2: Uh they' o Jomo Davis, Carter, Byron Young and Ty
22:18
Speaker 2: Robinson needs to have a good offseason. Yep. So that's
22:20
Speaker 2: pretty much their defense. Resigned Calcuterra and they resigned braid Man.
22:24
Speaker 2: Four years is four years, uh and seventeen million. He's
22:31
Speaker 2: he's back. You know. I was looking into it Wednesday,
22:34
Speaker 2: I was like, wait a minute, what happened? We haven't
22:35
Speaker 2: even talked about braid Man, where like he hasn't visited.
22:37
Speaker 2: Not that most players don't visit anymore, that's sort of
22:40
Speaker 2: old school. Next thing I know is I got a
22:42
Speaker 2: I got an update that he's resigning four years. It
22:45
Speaker 2: looked great, all right, Good for him. Yeah, good good player,
22:48
Speaker 2: Andrew and I had him on it on our show
22:51
Speaker 2: at Chicky and Heat. He was great, man, he told
22:53
Speaker 2: he told some great stories. Good that yeah, back, good,
22:56
Speaker 2: good for him.
22:57
Speaker 1: Good for him to get that deal too. He's been good.
23:00
Speaker 1: As far as the guys that they've lost, not too
23:03
Speaker 1: many big deals. Like Sam Howell goes to the Cowboys,
23:05
Speaker 1: No big deal, he barely he didn't play. But they
23:08
Speaker 1: do need a number three quarterback. And I would think
23:09
Speaker 1: even if they draft a kid, they always like to
23:12
Speaker 1: seem to have a veteran even more older than say
23:15
Speaker 1: Tanner McKee going into year four. But I don't I
23:17
Speaker 1: don't know if they're gonna have a fourth quarterback, but
23:19
Speaker 1: they certainly don't have an eight like that, like a
23:22
Speaker 1: veteran beyond a backup veteran beyond Tanner McKee. But I
23:26
Speaker 1: don't think they're.
23:27
Speaker 2: Gonna have They'll have three you have to have three
23:29
Speaker 2: for training camp, so they'll add somebody, and it could
23:31
Speaker 2: be heck, it could be an undrafted free agent. You
23:33
Speaker 2: never know. Could be maybe if Carson Strong was to
23:36
Speaker 2: come out of retirement and I'm.
23:37
Speaker 1: Showking Johnson now that he's back with the Yeah, you
23:43
Speaker 1: can't do that, as you learned with Matt Naggie.
23:46
Speaker 2: That's right, it was hilarious.
23:48
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, no big yeah, no big loss on on
23:52
Speaker 1: on Matt Pryor. He just he didn't really play. He
23:54
Speaker 1: had a good camp, but he didn't play well.
23:57
Speaker 2: Yeah, he saw with the Cardinals Brett Toath song with
23:59
Speaker 2: the Niners, the unsigned f Agens or aj Dillon Ben
24:03
Speaker 2: van Zuman was not tenor as free agent as expected.
24:06
Speaker 2: They were RFA tenders are not guaranteed even at signing,
24:11
Speaker 2: but just the contract would have been way higher than
24:14
Speaker 2: the the minimum he would have gotten. Fred Johnson's out there,
24:16
Speaker 2: gotter as you mentioned, Kylon Grantson, a good special teams player. Yeah,
24:19
Speaker 2: still out there, yep.
24:22
Speaker 1: And I believe EPs is still a free agent too, right.
24:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, So on defense BG, of course BG's not retiring
24:27
Speaker 2: Cobo Concroe, Duey Jackson and Marcus Epps as you mentioned
24:31
Speaker 2: guys have signed filps with Carolina. Zezogelari got to deal
24:34
Speaker 2: with Atlanta, Joshua with Miami, Dean Nikobe got a great
24:39
Speaker 2: contract with the Raiders, and read blanket ship with the Texans.
24:43
Speaker 1: Yes, by the way, the Eagles not paying that blanketship.
24:47
Speaker 1: Who came in? I don't know what the market was
24:49
Speaker 1: going to be, but some people thought around ten million.
24:52
Speaker 1: He came in around with an eight and a.
24:54
Speaker 2: Half or something in a quarter maybe.
24:55
Speaker 1: Yeah, it shows you where the Eagles are at with
24:58
Speaker 1: what you know. You mentioned the who did who did that?
25:01
Speaker 2: That?
25:01
Speaker 1: Joe Douglas drafted Michael Carter the second. He also drafted
25:04
Speaker 1: Ashton Davis. Who's out there? I don't know if a.
25:07
Speaker 2: Who Yeah, kind of overdrafted Who's Jets Dolphins? Right? Uh?
25:13
Speaker 2: Donovan Wilson's out there, is actually starting.
25:15
Speaker 1: He's a good player, he is, but I feel like
25:18
Speaker 1: he's starting to get a little long in the tooth.
25:20
Speaker 1: And that Dallas secondary last year was pretty bad. I
25:27
Speaker 1: thought Apps actually played at a decent level. It seems
25:31
Speaker 1: that it seems that this You're right, Donovan Wilson's a
25:33
Speaker 1: better player. It does seem that guys and I'll throw
25:36
Speaker 1: a Dory Jackson to the mix. I think when you're
25:38
Speaker 1: playing with Cooper De Jean and Quina Mitchell, and you know,
25:44
Speaker 1: when Makubo was healthy was starting to play well, I
25:46
Speaker 1: think it helps those guys obviously to have better talent.
25:49
Speaker 1: So I could actually see. I think you make a
25:50
Speaker 1: good point. Could Wilson come in here and hold the
25:52
Speaker 1: fourth down for a year? Absolutely absolutely, and I would
25:55
Speaker 1: I wouldn't feel bad about the secondary if that.
25:57
Speaker 2: Were the case. So the work they have to do
25:59
Speaker 2: is mostly on defense. But but one thing I do
26:02
Speaker 2: want to say is they need two veteran offensive linemen
26:05
Speaker 2: right now. Your backups are Cam Williams, who played in
26:09
Speaker 2: one game, is not ready to be that first attack
26:11
Speaker 2: off the bench yet. Willie Lampkin, who's on I R.
26:15
Speaker 2: Drew Kendall, who I had a I had a college
26:18
Speaker 2: scout tell me it's literally he said in his Scott Report.
26:23
Speaker 2: He turned for the team he works for. He said,
26:24
Speaker 2: not a guard at our level is not strong enough. Yeah,
26:28
Speaker 2: and he's. And I said, well, what if he gets wrong, goes,
26:29
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter. He's just course, strength isn't there. He goes.
26:32
Speaker 2: He's he's absolutely center he's not built like his dad.
26:34
Speaker 2: We both talked. He and I talked about his dad,
26:36
Speaker 2: Pete Kendall, Yes, center and guard.
26:38
Speaker 1: I will say that the new offense of the horizontal
26:41
Speaker 1: style of blocking though, does tend to lean toward underside
26:45
Speaker 1: like the athletic athletic.
26:46
Speaker 2: But man, he he just didn't think this guy could
26:48
Speaker 2: play in any system as a guard. And Miles Hinton,
26:52
Speaker 2: who's not played, So yeah, they don't. They they're just
26:54
Speaker 2: stay up problems with death. But you could. There's no
26:57
Speaker 2: time limit. You could you just have for training? Can't
26:59
Speaker 2: you have? Have two veterans? Yeah?
27:01
Speaker 1: And on that note, you know, while we're talking about
27:03
Speaker 1: the offensive line, the reason why you need these veterans
27:06
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27:09
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27:12
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27:15
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27:20
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27:24
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Speaker 2: So they cut off the twenty twenty eight years. So
29:43
Speaker 2: he's got two years off this year and next year
29:45
Speaker 2: he was gonna make thirty nine million in cash, so
29:48
Speaker 2: they cut it down by like three million, which is
29:51
Speaker 2: very little item.
29:53
Speaker 1: It's like, we're to come up with that number, right, like,
29:56
Speaker 1: because I have.
29:57
Speaker 2: The all contracts, so he had, he's a veteran minimum salary,
30:01
Speaker 2: he's he's got an option, a non guaranteed option bonus
30:04
Speaker 2: of just under eighteen million, So it comes to nineteen million,
30:08
Speaker 2: and then twenty twenty seven unless they've touched twenty seven,
30:11
Speaker 2: which they could have. Maybe that's the year they touched
30:13
Speaker 2: it again, the veteran minimum in twenty twenty seven plus
30:17
Speaker 2: a non guaranteed well non guaranteed, no option bonus. So
30:21
Speaker 2: maybe I don't know what year he took the shave,
30:23
Speaker 2: but yeah, it's it's I understand he didn't play well.
30:25
Speaker 2: He had a bad year last year. I'm just being
30:27
Speaker 2: honest with you based on tape. This is from the
30:29
Speaker 2: people you and I spoke to, not him. But look,
30:33
Speaker 2: they shaved a year off the fact that they're doing this.
30:36
Speaker 2: They didn't do it because he had a good year. Folks,
30:38
Speaker 2: you don't do that. Nobody takes a pickup when they're
30:40
Speaker 2: playing well. That's just what it works. No player in
30:42
Speaker 2: the NFL history is taking a pickup when they played well.
30:44
Speaker 2: Then I know of you know, maybe you could think
30:46
Speaker 2: of one. I can't think of one. No, Nope.
30:48
Speaker 1: But usually it doesn't work that way.
30:49
Speaker 2: It doesn't work that life. So but you know, hopefully
30:52
Speaker 2: Landon got it through the treatment. This is a life decision,
30:55
Speaker 2: you know. I tried to explain that when Jurgens went
30:57
Speaker 2: down to get his treatment, it was just for now,
30:59
Speaker 2: it's for the future. Sure, he's you're looking at both
31:02
Speaker 2: players who uh Dick Dickerson more than cam Way more surgeries.
31:07
Speaker 2: Then you know, you saw what happened with Max Crosby.
31:10
Speaker 2: Crosby actually went on I knew was eight and he
31:13
Speaker 2: confirmed it. He did interview then with Colin Coward. He
31:16
Speaker 2: talked about it. I was like, wow, you know, and
31:20
Speaker 2: he plays way too many snaps and these these and
31:22
Speaker 2: by the way, offensive lineman, they don't rotate.
31:24
Speaker 1: No, they don't get a breath. And this team runs
31:27
Speaker 1: the ball a ton.
31:28
Speaker 2: Yeah that's not changing this West Coast offense. What before
31:33
Speaker 2: we get out of here, My last point is the
31:35
Speaker 2: reason why you're you're seeing Cokatara back. Now he's gonna
31:38
Speaker 2: be more used. They're gonna they're gonna really limit him
31:42
Speaker 2: as a blocker, like way more than the other that
31:44
Speaker 2: the other staff did, which was the other staff did
31:46
Speaker 2: not do a good job with them understanding how to
31:48
Speaker 2: use him. You'll see Mont You'll see a lot too
31:52
Speaker 2: if he makes it. Got whoever, if god Her comes back,
31:55
Speaker 2: if it's in Djoku, he can block, got Her can block.
31:59
Speaker 2: If it's won the draft, I'm sure that God can block.
32:02
Speaker 2: You're You're rarely going to see Calcutt block here. He's
32:05
Speaker 2: here to catch the football. That's absolutely.
32:07
Speaker 1: That's called using your your personnel to its strength. Somebody
32:11
Speaker 1: you're definitely not going to see, at least for a while,
32:13
Speaker 1: is John Campbell. Uh Vic Fangio had told the media
32:16
Speaker 1: the other day at uh where was he? What was
32:18
Speaker 1: that for for me? Neil was getting honored, right, Yeah, yeah,
32:22
Speaker 1: I know. I'm sorry. He told John Clark that Campbell
32:25
Speaker 1: is going to be out with the shoulder and that's
32:28
Speaker 1: not great.
32:28
Speaker 2: Yeah. I know for fact that it's surgery, so he's
32:32
Speaker 2: supposed to be ready, as I understand it, by training camp.
32:34
Speaker 2: But MANDI he had one of the shoulder fixed that
32:39
Speaker 2: did what. I don't know which one this is. I'm
32:41
Speaker 2: not sure, but I hope it's not both. Now I've
32:44
Speaker 2: had surgery.
32:45
Speaker 1: That's tough. I mean it's tough because you know, this
32:47
Speaker 1: is na Kobe Dean, like he came with the injuries.
32:50
Speaker 1: He had injuries, and even though he plays well when
32:52
Speaker 1: he's on the field, the injuries have thrilled his career.
32:54
Speaker 1: Landon Dickinson had injuries and you know you but yeah,
33:01
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, you're hoping that Campbell can overcome these
33:04
Speaker 1: things and not be beat up in his career.
33:05
Speaker 2: Well exactly put. But the good news is you've got Trotter,
33:08
Speaker 2: You've got Manden. Now they're gonna get a ton of reps.
33:11
Speaker 2: He was may if they feel like it at a
33:14
Speaker 2: veteran linebacker, but you know, sometimes they're all season program
33:16
Speaker 2: if they feel like it's needed. But to me, it's
33:18
Speaker 2: an advantage for taking advantage of Mondan and Trotter, especially Mondan. Yeah,
33:23
Speaker 2: I really didn't play on defense. He was a special teamer. Right.
33:26
Speaker 2: So that's that.
33:28
Speaker 1: All right, that's it. We will be back next time
33:31
Speaker 1: you hear from us. We'll have even more news about
33:33
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