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INTERVIEW: Muni Long On Writing Hits, Streaming Vs Radio, Autism, Mental Health + More · The Breakfast Club

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  Speaker 1: Wake that hands up in the morning, Breakfast Club Morning.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody is the DJ, Envy Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne the guy.
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  Speaker 1: We are the Breakfast Club. We got a special guests.
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  Speaker 3: In the building.
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  Speaker 2: We have money long welcome, award winning say that welcome.
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  Speaker 1: How you feeling.
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  Speaker 4: I'm really good. I'm super just grateful.
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  Speaker 5: Like you know, the first time I came, I was
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  Speaker 5: still trying to figure it out.
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  Speaker 4: It was early.
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  Speaker 3: And the money got longer.
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  Speaker 4: Amen, never see that.
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  Speaker 5: It's just it's just amazing to just like watch how
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  Speaker 5: God weaves the fabric, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 4: I'm just you know, I'm grateful. I'm very happy.
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  Speaker 6: So your song made for you. That's like one of
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  Speaker 6: the biggest biggest tracks right now. Did you think that
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  Speaker 6: you ever top I was and hours No, no really no.
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  Speaker 5: I mean you know, at that moment, that was the
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  Speaker 5: biggest thing that had ever happened to me and so
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  Speaker 5: and it was just a moment coachally, I mean, I
• 1:01
  Speaker 5: want to be careful how I talk about myself because.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I don't want to sound the Lulu.
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  Speaker 5: But at the time, it was just like Yo, this
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  Speaker 5: girl just came out of nowhere. During the fourth quarter,
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  Speaker 5: which is like a no, no, it's like Christmas music,
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  Speaker 5: you just don't do that. I was independent thirty four
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  Speaker 5: at the time, and black a woman, R and B music,
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  Speaker 5: all things that people are just like no, no, no,
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  Speaker 5: we don't want it. And then the way that people
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  Speaker 5: just received the song men, women, children, the church. They
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  Speaker 5: were singing in the church house. It was just like
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  Speaker 5: everywhere and so no, of course you don't think that
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  Speaker 5: you're gonna do that again. You know, same effect even bigger.
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  Speaker 3: How was it the church version of Hours?
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  Speaker 4: An our I could praise you for our can talk
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  Speaker 4: with you for hours?
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  Speaker 7: Mind got time a couple of minutes. There's secret all
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  Speaker 7: of these hits you you be writing though, God, there
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  Speaker 7: you go.
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  Speaker 5: What even it's not a secret, it's just like I
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  Speaker 5: really I was scrolling through my post the other day
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  Speaker 5: and reading my captions and I'm like, wow, Like, if
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  Speaker 5: you didn't know me, you would really be like, oh,
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  Speaker 5: this girl is tapped in and I am, but I
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  Speaker 5: you know, I'm not. That's I'm not trying to put
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  Speaker 5: that on. That's just really what's in me.
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  Speaker 2: You know, how long did it take you to break
• 2:34
  Speaker 2: into the game. For most for artists out there, that's
• 2:35
  Speaker 2: just trying to get in and it's taking a long time.
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  Speaker 2: How long did it take for you to get to
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  Speaker 2: where you was like, Wow, I really have a shot.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, you know, to use your words in my opinion,
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  Speaker 5: I'm still breaking, you know.
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  Speaker 4: I mean lots of people have grammies that you never
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  Speaker 4: heard of, you know.
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  Speaker 5: Fact, So like for where I want to go, I
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  Speaker 5: still have a little bit of a piece of mountain
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  Speaker 5: to climb.
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  Speaker 4: But I've been doing this.
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  Speaker 5: I've been wanting to do this since I was fourteen
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  Speaker 5: or fifteen years old, half my life, and then I
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  Speaker 5: started professionally when I was about nineteen. I was uploading
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  Speaker 5: videos on YouTube. Before that was like normal when I
• 3:20
  Speaker 5: was like sixteen, doing it for my bedroom and stuff
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  Speaker 5: like that. Once I got into the business in the game,
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  Speaker 5: it took me until about twenty one, twenty three to
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  Speaker 5: really start seeing some money. And then from there twenty
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  Speaker 5: three to about twenty eight twenty nine, I'm just in
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  Speaker 5: a studio cooking, like writing for all these people. And
• 3:43
  Speaker 5: then it took me another three or four years to
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  Speaker 5: just be like, Okay, I've been doing this for ten
• 3:50
  Speaker 5: years now, it ain't really I feel like I'm at
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  Speaker 5: the ceiling, what's next for me? And so these last
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  Speaker 5: three years, I've been just focusing on myself.
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  Speaker 4: All in all.
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  Speaker 5: You know, I'm not really too great with math, but
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  Speaker 5: I want to say about fifteen seventeen years it took
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  Speaker 5: me to get to this place.
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  Speaker 1: Did you ever want to quit? Or the fact that I.
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  Speaker 4: Wanted to quit so many times?
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  Speaker 5: And I would be in my closet screaming into a pillow,
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  Speaker 5: crying like.
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  Speaker 4: Why is a bad.
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  Speaker 3: Other people?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 5: Really, the misconception with that is it's a two year pipeline.
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  Speaker 5: So imagine going to work and you don't get a
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  Speaker 5: check for two years, and your co workers is nasty
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  Speaker 5: and they don't want to feed you, and you got
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  Speaker 5: to figure out, you know, like the actual reality of
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  Speaker 5: it is not glamorous at all. You know, I don't
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  Speaker 5: know if you guys saw a fellow songwriter, Tiffany Fresh,
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  Speaker 5: She was kind of talking about it online, just about
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  Speaker 5: writers artists who take publishing and like, there's all these
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  Speaker 5: things that happened to you as a writer that you know,
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  Speaker 5: that's what is paying your dues and so eventually, you know,
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  Speaker 5: you either fatigue out and you'd be like, I can't
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  Speaker 5: do this ain't for me, or you just keep going
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  Speaker 5: and you keep taking it on the chin, like I
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  Speaker 5: got kicked so many times and I just kept getting
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  Speaker 5: back up, Like it's in today. You know, people used
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  Speaker 5: to be like she a little crazy, she she owned something?
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  Speaker 5: Why did she keep coming back? Why is she so nice?
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  Speaker 5: And it was really just because I would hear this
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  Speaker 5: little voice in the back of my mind, like but
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  Speaker 5: if you quit, tomorrow could be today, next week, it
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  Speaker 5: could be I don't know. I just felt this tugging,
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  Speaker 5: just this little tiny tug in my stomach, like girl,
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  Speaker 5: and then going.
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  Speaker 8: Quit, then all of it would have been for nothing.
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  Speaker 8: You get what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 6: You would be looking back on a different story today,
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  Speaker 6: you know, it wouldn't be made for you, and hours
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  Speaker 6: for hours.
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  Speaker 8: I love the visual.
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  Speaker 6: By the way, you had my best friend Joe Line
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  Speaker 6: and Lewis in there.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I love that video she has sent me.
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  Speaker 4: It was very sweet.
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  Speaker 8: She was She's very sweet.
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  Speaker 6: But I loved that you was outside the window. I
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  Speaker 6: was like, you was looking star grish and he was
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  Speaker 6: looking like a lip was. I said, What's what's going on?
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  Speaker 6: But I love I love the whole concept. So did
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  Speaker 6: you do you did your own treatment for that.
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  Speaker 5: But the original treatment was very creepy. It was very
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  Speaker 5: much creepy, and everybody was like, yeah, we love that,
• 6:09
  Speaker 5: you're so creative, but we can't do that because I
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  Speaker 5: had just seen like this headline about this chop shop
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  Speaker 5: in Arizona where they was taking bodies and it was
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  Speaker 5: cutting them up and like putting the arm from one
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  Speaker 5: body in the head from selling body parts and stuff.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I don't know if we can talk about
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  Speaker 4: that on there. That's really that's real stuff that be
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  Speaker 4: out here.
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  Speaker 3: Ye crazy.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: So so it was that, and I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 5: we could do like some Sweeney Todd like, you know,
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  Speaker 5: for you Yeah, Like I wanted it to be like
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  Speaker 5: around Holly Halloween, like Tim Burton kind of stuff exactly.
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  Speaker 5: The original idea was like, my, my man, you know,
• 6:48
  Speaker 5: he had a little accident.
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  Speaker 4: He gone, he's not with us no more. And I'm like, well,
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  Speaker 4: you know what, I'm.
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  Speaker 5: About to go dig him up, and I'm about to
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  Speaker 5: go take some other body parts and I'm gonna make
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  Speaker 5: me a Frankenstein and then we're gonna dance together and
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  Speaker 5: then at the end he gonna please me so hard
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  Speaker 5: he don't know his own string and hes gonna kill me,
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  Speaker 5: you know.
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  Speaker 6: And then but you know, at let's write the TV
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  Speaker 6: to do that.
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  Speaker 5: Everybody get sponsors, you know, they don't really want to
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  Speaker 5: endorse this kind of thing. He can't be committing any
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  Speaker 5: crimes and so, you know, grave digging is a crime.
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  Speaker 4: And so then I reached out to my homeboys.
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  Speaker 5: Didn't know, you know, uh, reached out to the homie
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  Speaker 5: Trinidad James, and I was like, I really want to
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  Speaker 5: work with you on something.
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  Speaker 4: You know. He was doing a lot of stuff with
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  Speaker 4: Sexy Red, your your best.
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  Speaker 5: Friend, uh, sex Red and uh who else, Suki Hanna, Cali,
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  Speaker 5: you know, a lot of the rapper girls. And I
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  Speaker 5: was like, well, what's up you're trying to you know,
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  Speaker 5: can you flip this treatment? And so him and his
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  Speaker 5: teammate Desk Gray turned it into this stem Black Women
• 7:53
  Speaker 5: in Tech, you know, future of romance. Will we be
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  Speaker 5: dating robots in the future the way that the dating
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  Speaker 5: pool is set up right now, maybe you might have
• 8:02
  Speaker 5: to make you I mean, you know, And so that's
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  Speaker 5: the concept behind the video. And I think people were
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  Speaker 5: like a little creeped out there, like well.
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  Speaker 4: Does she kill him?
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  Speaker 5: And like make him into a robot. Like that's your
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  Speaker 5: interpretation up to you to figure out.
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  Speaker 8: I love, thank you.
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  Speaker 7: I've been hearing so much about Trinidad James and what
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  Speaker 7: he's been doing creatively.
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  Speaker 5: Can you speak to that because he's amazing. First of all,
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  Speaker 5: like he's a he's a stylist. He has amazing nails,
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  Speaker 5: he does shoes.
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  Speaker 4: No, no, he like.
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  Speaker 5: He gets his nails like be dazzled, like his nails
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  Speaker 5: be killing a lot of women.
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  Speaker 4: And he does like the.
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  Speaker 5: Hair you know, he got like crazy hairstyles. He's just
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  Speaker 5: a full long creative. He's also producing and writing and
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  Speaker 5: still doing his own mus Again, what I love about
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  Speaker 5: working with him is that he protects you as an artist, right,
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  Speaker 5: So like if I have a vision and I want
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  Speaker 5: to come in and I want to do something. He
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  Speaker 5: also how to talk to the people on the other side, like, listen,
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  Speaker 5: this is her vision.
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  Speaker 4: I can help you.
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  Speaker 5: I can try to help coach her to get it
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  Speaker 5: where you are comfortable. But at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 5: it's her music and it is her you know, So
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  Speaker 5: shout out to you, Dad, I appreciate you for that.
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  Speaker 4: Does he called himself dad, trinid.
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  Speaker 2: Dad, not like this I want to ask you know
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  Speaker 2: what you're saying, you you almost quit.
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  Speaker 1: So having a cousin in the industry did that make
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  Speaker 1: it better or worse?
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  Speaker 2: It was like your cousin's doing this or was it
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  Speaker 2: one of those things cause your cousin's flow rider flow Rider.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, we found out that we were related.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, we just got you know, cool not it was
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  Speaker 5: no bad blood, but it's just like we just connected
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  Speaker 5: on that level where it's like, Yo.
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  Speaker 3: What up?
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  Speaker 4: Could I appreciate you? You know what you got going on?
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  Speaker 5: I think for me, if i'm, you know, want to
• 9:50
  Speaker 5: have a touchstone or somebody that I might reference, that
• 9:53
  Speaker 5: would have been Cardi B for me, you know, because
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  Speaker 5: I watched her come up. I watched I remember when
• 9:58
  Speaker 5: the first song I heard of hers was the Lick
• 10:00
  Speaker 5: looking like I called her Lick, and I used to
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  Speaker 5: watch Love and Hip Hop thought she was hilarious. I
• 10:05
  Speaker 5: used to also watch her tiktoks and Instagram videos like
• 10:08
  Speaker 5: you know what I hate, you know, and I just
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  Speaker 5: thought she was so funny. And then as soon as
• 10:12
  Speaker 5: that song came out and I started seeing the elevation,
• 10:14
  Speaker 5: I was like, she about to go. And I remember
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  Speaker 5: my husband at the time was like, you know, it's
• 10:20
  Speaker 5: a whole lot of people who want to wrap them
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  Speaker 5: like no, no, no, she got something different, I'm telling you.
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  Speaker 5: And then Bodak Yella came out and so to see
• 10:26
  Speaker 5: that like and to watch somebody's journey like that, it
• 10:30
  Speaker 5: let me know that it was possible to go from
• 10:32
  Speaker 5: zero to sixty. You know, but ain't nobody really wasn't
• 10:35
  Speaker 5: nobody coaching meeting, give me no advice nothing.
• 10:37
  Speaker 4: I just had to, you know, mess up.
• 10:40
  Speaker 1: What age did you get married? You said, your husband?
• 10:41
  Speaker 1: What age did you get married? You got married? So
• 10:43
  Speaker 1: she got married young?
• 10:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Was that good?
• 10:45
  Speaker 4: Was that young?
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  Speaker 5: No?
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  Speaker 8: Really it's younger younger?
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  Speaker 1: So did that help you out? Keeping you grounded and
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  Speaker 1: keeping I.
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  Speaker 5: Think it definitely helped with my confidence. It helped me
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  Speaker 5: being able to say no. It helped me, like to
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  Speaker 5: not care about what other people wanted. It helped me to,
• 11:01
  Speaker 5: you know, just figure out my voice and how to
• 11:03
  Speaker 5: stand up for myself because you know, I think people
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  Speaker 5: you are attracted to what you need and the person
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  Speaker 5: that he needed to learn to be softer.
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  Speaker 4: And I needed to learn to like, you know, man up.
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  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I definitely, you know, and he definitely do not
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  Speaker 5: care about what nobody thinks.
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  Speaker 7: You know, that's interesting you brought up Cardi because Cardi
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  Speaker 7: is a person who sold. She gave us personality first,
• 11:25
  Speaker 7: that's when we fell in love with Cardi. You give
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  Speaker 7: us music first, actual talent. So in this era, what
• 11:31
  Speaker 7: do you think is harder to get people to connect.
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  Speaker 5: With it's you know, six to one, half dozen another other,
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  Speaker 5: like you always gonna have somebody.
• 11:38
  Speaker 4: Being like you need to be more relatable.
• 11:40
  Speaker 5: You know, people want to hear you talk, and I
• 11:43
  Speaker 5: say all the time, like, well, you know, the thing
• 11:45
  Speaker 5: that I want you to know about me is I
• 11:47
  Speaker 5: don't want you to know nothing because I don't want
• 11:51
  Speaker 5: your own business, like I just I gotta have something
• 11:54
  Speaker 5: for me. And Eddie LeVert, I heard him say a
• 11:58
  Speaker 5: quote about like you know Jerrel Levert's father, Oh jays,
• 12:01
  Speaker 5: if you don't, if you don't know, he was like,
• 12:05
  Speaker 5: you got to cut it off somewhere. You can't give
• 12:07
  Speaker 5: the whole world every piece of you because you won't
• 12:10
  Speaker 5: have nothing left.
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  Speaker 4: And also recently, you know, speaking to.
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  Speaker 5: This zen Master master Z and he was telling me
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  Speaker 5: like these people don't get it twisted. They do not
• 12:20
  Speaker 5: like you. They like your music and that's all you
• 12:23
  Speaker 5: are required to deliver them. And that was so liberating
• 12:26
  Speaker 5: for me because you know, I'm up here trying to like.
• 12:28
  Speaker 4: Huh, look at me, Yes, I love you. What do
• 12:31
  Speaker 4: you think about my music, house, my hair.
• 12:33
  Speaker 5: You know, just trying to you know, show my value
• 12:37
  Speaker 5: on the outside to people, and it's just like nah,
• 12:40
  Speaker 5: like you don't get this music. You don't get these vocals.
• 12:42
  Speaker 5: And if I mess up, you know, players mess up,
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  Speaker 5: it don't matter.
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  Speaker 7: I feel like it should be so much easier for
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  Speaker 7: ut nowday. We were just having a conversation for you
• 12:49
  Speaker 7: walk in the room about how nowadays people only go
• 12:51
  Speaker 7: off their feelings. They can listen to every word that
• 12:54
  Speaker 7: can come out of your mouth, but all they're thinking
• 12:56
  Speaker 7: about is how those things make you feel.
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  Speaker 3: And music gives you a feeling.
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  Speaker 7: As long as music feels good, it feels like they
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  Speaker 7: should already have an instant connection with you anyway, like, oh,
• 13:04
  Speaker 7: that's the person that wrote that song, so she makes
• 13:06
  Speaker 7: me feel good.
• 13:06
  Speaker 4: I can agree with that.
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  Speaker 5: To it on a deeper level, I would say it's
• 13:09
  Speaker 5: like frequency. It's like when you put that intention into
• 13:13
  Speaker 5: the song, when you are recording, it resonates, like you know,
• 13:19
  Speaker 5: when somebody tells you you look so beautiful, like that
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  Speaker 5: hits you and it makes you smile, makes you feel good.
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  Speaker 4: Or and as soon as somebody be like, what's this
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  Speaker 4: outfit doing? I don't like that? It's ugly?
• 13:29
  Speaker 5: That hurts you know, Or when somebody says I love
• 13:32
  Speaker 5: you versus I mean I can't stand you like, it
• 13:35
  Speaker 5: hits you differently. And that same thing is happening when
• 13:37
  Speaker 5: you're recording and you can actually see the wavefile. It's
• 13:42
  Speaker 5: the same thing, but it's just you know, music and
• 13:45
  Speaker 5: whatever you're saying. So you have to put that intention
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  Speaker 5: into it of like what do I want this music
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  Speaker 5: to accomplish, how do I want it to leave people?
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  Speaker 5: How do I want it to resonate? After years of
• 13:57
  Speaker 5: doing it, you start thinking about stuff like that. And
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  Speaker 5: I think with these, you know, the two songs you mentioned,
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  Speaker 5: made for me in hours and hours, that is what
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  Speaker 5: people are feeling. They're feeling my intention of just love
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  Speaker 5: and harmony and kindness and connection. And I'm glad to
• 14:14
  Speaker 5: be able to offer that because it's a whole lot
• 14:15
  Speaker 5: of other stuff out here that's not doing that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and.
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  Speaker 8: I'm talking about everybody.
• 14:21
  Speaker 6: My son sings that song abod eleven, Oh, that's eleven, right,
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  Speaker 6: and it was like it was really big and trendy
• 14:30
  Speaker 6: on TikTok and what that does for music now speaks
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  Speaker 6: volumes as well. You know, that's one of the biggest
• 14:36
  Speaker 6: platforms as as far as music goes. How did it
• 14:40
  Speaker 6: affect you when Universal removed it from TikTok.
• 14:44
  Speaker 4: Or did it even I just want to be clear.
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  Speaker 5: You know, streaming is still a developing country. You know,
• 14:51
  Speaker 5: they are trying to figure that out, and I don't
• 14:53
  Speaker 5: think that the coin is is not doing what it
• 14:57
  Speaker 5: should be doing across the board, So let's just be
• 15:01
  Speaker 5: clear about that. I would say that the number one
• 15:05
  Speaker 5: thing for me is as an artist, you have to
• 15:08
  Speaker 5: know how to present yourself to the people. In other words,
• 15:12
  Speaker 5: market You have to know how to market yourself. You
• 15:14
  Speaker 5: have to know who you are, how you want to
• 15:15
  Speaker 5: be received, perceived, digested.
• 15:19
  Speaker 4: What brands align with you, blah blah blah.
• 15:21
  Speaker 5: All that stuff is very very important, and so when
• 15:25
  Speaker 5: you're trying to figure that out and navigate that, you
• 15:27
  Speaker 5: don't want to sacrifice your visibility just because you don't
• 15:32
  Speaker 5: know exactly what your lane is yet, And I think
• 15:36
  Speaker 5: TikTok offers the ability for you to still be active,
• 15:40
  Speaker 5: be in the field and figure it out and figure
• 15:43
  Speaker 5: out what your tribe is. So music is obviously the
• 15:47
  Speaker 5: soundtrack to everybody's life. A lot of people are becoming,
• 15:51
  Speaker 5: you know, content creators themselves based off of the music
• 15:54
  Speaker 5: that we have created and offered them. And it does
• 15:58
  Speaker 5: hurt to not be able to do that for yourself,
• 16:01
  Speaker 5: and you know, promote yourself using yourself and promote your
• 16:04
  Speaker 5: own products, you know, promote yourself, promote your products, promote
• 16:07
  Speaker 5: your music. It definitely hurts. But I think that, you know,
• 16:11
  Speaker 5: I just heard recently something that really changed my perspective
• 16:14
  Speaker 5: on it is you don't ever want to be beholden
• 16:17
  Speaker 5: to anyone. So I don't ever want, you know, to
• 16:20
  Speaker 5: feel like without TikTok, I cannot move forward, you know.
• 16:25
  Speaker 5: But it's a wonderful platform. I've met a whole lot
• 16:27
  Speaker 5: of great, cool people on there. Had two three actually
• 16:32
  Speaker 5: viral songs on TikTok. It was Hours and Hours, a
• 16:35
  Speaker 5: little piece of a song called time Machine.
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah silly part of the end, yeah girl, yeah yeah.
• 16:44
  Speaker 5: So I mean that's incredible and in itself just that
• 16:48
  Speaker 5: right there. I do think though people may be getting
• 16:51
  Speaker 5: fatigued with just like constantly hearing the song over and
• 16:55
  Speaker 5: over and over, so that would be the only pitfall.
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: But for me, it's been an excellent.
• 17:00
  Speaker 7: As a as an OG radio veteran. For some reason,
• 17:03
  Speaker 7: they never get tired of hearing the same.
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: Song over and over and over and over. That is
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: literally the foundation of radio.
• 17:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think though, like sometimes I be questioning, like
• 17:13
  Speaker 5: is this just my algorithm or is.
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: It really everywhere like that?
• 17:17
  Speaker 5: Because literally, like it still shocks me. I'm scrolling through
• 17:21
  Speaker 5: Instagram or I click on something on the explorer page
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: on Instagram, or I'm scrolling through TikTok and my song
• 17:27
  Speaker 5: is playing, or like I'll watch a video and I
• 17:29
  Speaker 5: don't even have the volume on and I'll tap it
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: and then it'll be my music.
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: That still is just like whoa, you.
• 17:36
  Speaker 8: Have moments where you get tired of listening to.
• 17:41
  Speaker 7: And you're also one of these artists who still understands
• 17:44
  Speaker 7: the power of radio. So even if these artists are
• 17:46
  Speaker 7: getting removed off these social media platforms like TikTok, you
• 17:50
  Speaker 7: kind of got a headstart on a lot of them
• 17:52
  Speaker 7: because you get so much radio play.
• 17:53
  Speaker 5: I mean, terrestrial radio still pays absolute, So I need
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: a pub, you know, for y'all ching y'all who you
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: know don't write your own songs. You might not know
• 18:03
  Speaker 5: what I'm talking about. But when you write your own
• 18:05
  Speaker 5: music and you get it played on the radio, which
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: is hard to do, but once you become a part
• 18:11
  Speaker 5: of that rotation and that family, and that's nice.
• 18:15
  Speaker 7: Ooh so radio pay more than the screaming absolutely, oh man.
• 18:18
  Speaker 5: Right, absolutely yeah, And then you know, I mean, honestly,
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: the real true gym is streaming is important and it's convenient.
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: But if you go over there to that iTunes store
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: and you buy that one dollar and twenty nine cent single,
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: you can buy twenty thousand singles and it will. I mean,
• 18:41
  Speaker 5: these numbers are all over the place, so don't take me,
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: but you can buy a handful of them singles and
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: it still adds up to more money than one hundred
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: million streams. Wow, you know what I'm saying, So go
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: ahead over there and spend that dollar if you can,
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: because that's where it helps artists. That's what pushes the
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: song up the billboard. If you paid attention to hours
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: and hours and you looked at the points I had
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: all these streaming, but my sales is what was keeping me,
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: you know, at number sixteen on the Hot one hundred
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: with no radio airplay and no album and all that
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: kind of stuff. So I'll be paying attention to all
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: that stuff.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: I was gonna ask. I was working with JD and
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: Brian Michael Cox.
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: It was amazing.
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: This is like an honor, Like you know that time
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: period in music when they just was having that run. Everybody, Yeah,
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: everybody cut fashions like everybody was wanting to be a
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: part of that. I remember just the energy, you know,
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: be Coxs, be without You and Mary Jane like we
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: belong together and all that stuff. It's just like fam
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: Jagged Edge, Like they just got so many classic hits,
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: so to be a part of their story.
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: I just commented.
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: That on one of JD's posts, like, it's the honor
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: to be a part of your story, man, like the
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: most recent Yeah, no, he'd definitely be posting out, Like
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: anytime we we get a new statu or something, I
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: get into my text and I'm like, hey, I'm gonna
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: wait them, I'm gonna post this.
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: I go on Instagram, like, can I follows that.
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: But no, I appreciate you know, his authenticity and his
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: excitement and their their willingness to include me and not
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: just be you know, little guy me son me.
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: You know, sometimes people be doing it.
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: You had a remix with us and too right now?
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, hours and hours remix, did you on? Yeah?
• 20:28
  Speaker 8: So that was me.
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: You know a lot of people was like, why did
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: it taket so long? I wanted to take hours and
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: hours as far as I could on my own merit, Like,
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: I did not want to lean on nobody. I didn't
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: want to take no easy way out. I really wanted
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: to just own that for my like, let me see
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: how far I could go. And after we got the Grammy,
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: I was like, okay, now now I can you know, share,
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: So that was just me being selfish. But I feel
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: like he was very patient, he was persistent.
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: He kept He's like I'm telling you, I'm telling you.
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: The people need it, they wanted and then you know,
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: he just did the Super Bowl and had this incredible
• 21:02
  Speaker 5: moment that was like very representative of our childhood. I mean,
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: at least my childhood in the early two thousands R
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: and B when it was pop. So it was It's
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: perfect timing. I think everything happens exactly as it ship.
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: He just put it up.
• 21:17
  Speaker 5: I put it out earlier last year, so lovers and
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: friends whenever that was in Vegas.
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: I put it out like right after that.
• 21:25
  Speaker 7: I saw him before, I saw the video of him
• 21:27
  Speaker 7: performing it, I think it was. And then I saw
• 21:29
  Speaker 7: you on Big Boy and you was like, I'm a
• 21:31
  Speaker 7: hold it.
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: No. I had said the same kind of story, just
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: like I just didn't want to, you know, have it
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: be ushers song? You know what I'm saying, like I
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: want to own this, you know, because I don't know
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: if I'm gonna.
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: Get another one.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: He did a country album years ago.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, years ago, So you were early in now, so
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: you know what Beyonce is dealing with with trying to
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: get songs played on the country stations or.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: Was it easier for you?
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: Is she really dealing with it? And this is no shade.
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: I love Beyonce, love her down and I think what
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: she's doing to encourage people to listen outside of color
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: is incredible and how she has boosted artists like Tanner
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: Adell and Rainda Roberts, Brittany Spencer, Mickey Guid, and Jimmy
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: Allen Breelin. You know, all these people are getting more streams.
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: Willie Jones also is a good friend of mine. Their
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: streams have gone up like two hundred percent something crazy, right,
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: But I will say, when you are in Nashville attempting
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: to showcase yourself as a country artist, I mean there's
• 22:37
  Speaker 5: this one guy, Tony Evans Junior.
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: If you don't see him, you think that is an
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: old white man, like I mean, he is.
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: Incredible, But then when you look at him, he's just
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: like this really handsome, buff football player looking dude that
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: plays guitar black Eye. It doesn't match what the traditional
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: image is. And one thing that you realize is as
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: soon as you walk in the door, their opinion of
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: your music changes based on what they see. And so
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: that's only something that you can experience physically and in person.
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: And I think Beyonce has transcended that to where she
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: has so much notoriety and power and talent, clear talent,
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: that it's hard to hide behind the excuse that this
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: is in country. Bless your heart, the lady is Beyonce, Like,
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: you're gonna play it or you're not. And if you're not,
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: there is a reason why you aren't. And it's very
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: clear what that is.
• 23:32
  Speaker 7: Umber one on the country charts, and she's number one
• 23:34
  Speaker 7: in the country now.
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: Overall, I think that's incredible because there's never been a
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: black woman to do that ever. But although have been
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: many that have tried, and that's my point. There have
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: been artists. I've started in twenty eighteen with country and
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: when I tell you, I was fatigued very quickly by
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: the you know, you walk in the room and the
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: forks clink and everybody's like, who's this brownie up here
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: trying to you know? And I used to make jokes
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: like anytime I will go to a new co writer
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: is what they call it, or go to somebody's house,
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: I would bring about a whiskey. And if you know
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: in Tennessee, that's the thing Tennessee whiskey, and I would
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: make the joke.
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: Just go ahead and get it out.
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: I'll be like, yeah, I didn't want to be the
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: only brown thing in your house, brown something in here, so.
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: I just brought you a little gift.
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: But it is a well known fact if you go
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: down there, they don't want you in there, and you
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: know they can't hide that anymore.
• 24:27
  Speaker 7: So I thought, Canda do onways say something very interesting.
• 24:29
  Speaker 7: She said that Beyonce is more country than Taylor Swift
• 24:32
  Speaker 7: because Beyonce.
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: Is from Texas.
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: Very true.
• 24:34
  Speaker 7: Always had that country twain and a boy, Taylor Swift
• 24:36
  Speaker 7: from Pennsylvania and got Gotta make.
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: Snya Twain from Canada, Keith Urbans from Australia. It has
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: nothing to do with territory or even skill or melody
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: or story lyrical content. It has everything to do with
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: are you palatable to my eye? You know what I'm saying,
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: You should be back there bringing me something to eat
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: and not of your And I'm not trying to be rude.
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: That is the experience, cut and dry, period. You know
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: what I'm saying. I'm from Florida, from the South, grew
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: up on a farm. I know what that feel like
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: and what that looks like, and so I think what
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: she's doing is incredible.
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: Y'all move out the way.
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: Are you going to go back do a couple of countrygors?
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: Money?
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: Long?
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: Would I be doing country music? She's R and B.
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: Like money, farm something money.
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: I am a multifaceted individual and I have lots of
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: layers to me, and so maybe we might be seeing
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: some of those maybe if I feel like you, So.
• 25:37
  Speaker 6: Are you you currently writing for people? Are you taking
• 25:39
  Speaker 6: you know, like new like, are you writing any new
• 25:42
  Speaker 6: music for people?
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: I just finished my album. Yeah, so I've just been
• 25:46
  Speaker 5: focused on on.
• 25:47
  Speaker 6: She And is that the goal like from now on
• 25:51
  Speaker 6: just to focus on the shoe?
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: I think there needs to be a lot of attitude
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: adjustments and like, you know, business practices aren't the greatest
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: and so, you know, once I have exited a cycle
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: of abuse, I don't necessarily want to go back just
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: for because at the end of the day, you know,
• 26:10
  Speaker 5: it might be profitable and monetarily, but spiritually and energetically
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: just going in the room with people who are just rude, ungrateful,
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: who's gonna get amnesia as soon asan like oh yeah,
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: you know, I think my split needs to be seventy five.
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: Like, I don't have time for that.
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: I don't have time for that because I have to
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: learn how to be a good steward of my gift
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: and what.
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: God gave me. You know, he gave me the key
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: to the vault. I'm not just going to keep opening
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: it and.
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: Letting anybody come up in there and just you know,
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: run them up and it's no shade. I work with
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: who wants to work with me. If the energy is right,
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: let's go. And there are people who I absolutely adore,
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: but they have to want that, you know, because when
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: I get in my mold, when I'm in that studio,
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: I'm a different beast. If you can't handle you know,
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: somebody who know what they're doing and talk. You know,
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: I'm Vario. It's no hard feelings. I'd be like, I
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: don't like that. I think we do, but no, I
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: don't like Is that you sure that's what you want
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: to say.
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: I don't like this.
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: But if you can't handle that, I can't be in
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: the room with you because they.
• 27:10
  Speaker 6: Have to know who you are too. At the end
• 27:12
  Speaker 6: of the day, you know what I'm saying, Oh no,
• 27:14
  Speaker 6: you disagree with that.
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: I don't even that doesn't matter.
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: I think you can tell when somebody's locked in and
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: they know what they're doing.
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, when you.
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: Pull up in somebody's kitchen and you see them hitting
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: that season in that wrisk, You're like, oh.
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: This is finna be good. They know how to cook.
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: So I think, like that's just it for me is
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: when I'm in the room with you. If I can
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: tell that you closed off or you know, you in
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: your ego or you ain't leaving no room for God
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: to come in and give us the idea, then I'm
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: just kind of like, all right now, yeah, what we
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: about to eat at?
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 27:48
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I saw you tweet recently. I don't know if
• 27:51
  Speaker 7: he was joking, but you found out you were autistic.
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: Okay, So that's a little bit for context. I have
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: dealt with like processing issues my entire life, and you know,
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: as black and brown.
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: People, we don't always have the best access or even.
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: Ability to understand that some of our limitations cannot be helped,
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: like you need to go and talk to somebody and
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: see somebody about that. So just you know, coming across
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: literature and connecting with people who also deal with a
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: lot of the same issues that I've been having and
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: understanding what they have put or the name that they
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: have put on it or attached to it. It made
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: me start doing my own research and being like, well,
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: wait a minute, you know when this happens to me,
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: this also happens, and so there's a little bit of
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: like ADHD autism on this like and then I have
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: loopus as well, So just understand and that is like
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: a stress induced inflammation of the body.
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: And maybe I am.
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: Stressed out because I'm frustrated because I can't process certain
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: things or like. And I also think there's an other
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: added layer of because I'm so intelligent to other people
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: and I write these songs that they're and I look
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: a certain way they're like, ain't a way that you are,
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: because when you think about autism, you have a certain
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: visual that you think about. But there are highly functioning
• 29:29
  Speaker 5: autistic people and I want to be very careful about
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: how I talk about it because it could be this
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: is a sensitive topic to a lot of people who
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: may not relate to me or resonate with what I'm saying.
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: I'm still figuring it out.
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: And also late diagnosis is a lot more difficult to
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: find practitioners who can sit with you and figure that out.
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: Like I said, just kind of like relating to not
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: even no, no, no. What I was saying is other people
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: who have gotten their diagnosis and who have been working
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: through it as adults, when they share their stories about
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: how they are affected, how they process information. I was
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: relating to a lot of it was resonating with me.
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: So I did my own research and was reading about
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: late stage diagnosis in women how it presents, so like
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: something that I'm thinking is just me being, you know,
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: having issues with irritation and insomnia, anxiety, those things are
• 30:33
  Speaker 5: actually symptoms of what could be ADHD, autism and things
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: like that. So now I have to find someone who
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: can do that for me and test me because right now,
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: because I have lupus and I've been dealing with that
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: since twenty fourteen, anytime anything goes wrong with me, they
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: just be like, it's lupus.
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: They just give me steroids, you know.
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: So I have to really like find holistic doctors and
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: to the root of the issue, because maybe it might
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: not be autism, maybe it might be something else. But I,
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: in that moment, tweeted my frustration and processing.
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 31:12
  Speaker 5: That's a great example of it. And I actually deleted
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: Twitter off my phone after that because I'm just like, yeah,
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: you know what, let me just figure out what this
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: is first before you start talking.
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: Like I know what I'm talking not good for your
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: mental health.
• 31:27
  Speaker 7: And I don't think people realize how much unhealed trauma
• 31:29
  Speaker 7: is projected on Twitter and social media.
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: Every day toxic opinions, undeveloped thoughts.
• 31:36
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 31:36
  Speaker 6: So yeah, also bringing awareness you know what that tweet,
• 31:40
  Speaker 6: you know, it could be so many other men and
• 31:43
  Speaker 6: women thinking that same thing. And the fact that Moneylong
• 31:46
  Speaker 6: said it, it's like, oh snap, And before I can retweet,
• 31:50
  Speaker 6: you be like, oh my god, I'm feeling that way.
• 31:52
  Speaker 8: Deleted the damn I.
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: I didn't delete it too, I just deleted it off
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: my phone so I don't have access to it.
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: I will not be redownloading x.
• 32:01
  Speaker 6: So it's kind of good and bad because, like everything,
• 32:04
  Speaker 6: you're not the only one feeling that way. Well, you
• 32:07
  Speaker 6: know what, I just didn't like the fact that, like
• 32:09
  Speaker 6: all the positive stuff I post, all the information that
• 32:12
  Speaker 6: I give and disseminate, that's what the blog shows.
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: And I'm just like, see, I don't like that because.
• 32:22
  Speaker 5: If I'm sitting here telling you that stress affects my
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: mental and then you do something to.
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: Further exacerbate that, you're not my friend.
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: And I know a lot of these blog people that
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: you know, it's like, you know what, y'all be calling
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: me over here at the carpet, y'all be asking me
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: to come do all events and stuff.
• 32:37
  Speaker 7: Don't sadly you have.
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: To, so don't try to lean on it when you need.
• 32:43
  Speaker 6: Something to you and you know you have to. You
• 32:46
  Speaker 6: have to realize, like, these are not my friends. These
• 32:49
  Speaker 6: are people that are associates.
• 32:51
  Speaker 8: In this business. You're not my friend.
• 32:53
  Speaker 6: And people use the word friend very loosely, and then
• 32:56
  Speaker 6: when you say somebody is not your friend, they even
• 32:58
  Speaker 6: take that.
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: What I know, just because you know, money long says don't.
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: Do don't do yeah, because you know they'd be having
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: to they be having to tell me like put it forward,
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: but you know, put a cork in a girl, because
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: I'll be like, because I've seen what you said in
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: the comment, I'll tell somebody quick.
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: They'd be like, you blocked me. You blocked me on Instagram.
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: Why you block me money, Well, let me block you
• 33:18
  Speaker 5: on TikTok to appreciate it making.
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: I don't think anything wrong with.
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: That, you know, I think I think that.
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: What I think is that in our community, in our culture,
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: there is a limit to how successful someone can be
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: before it starts to.
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: Get uncomfortable for the collective. Because we are not gay.
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: They just try to come up with something some kind
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: of read very much something I mean that sounded like,
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: gon be you next.
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: Charlottagne says.
• 34:00
  Speaker 5: No, but like somebody says something ridiculous the other day,
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: like she got ab etching what much? They just be
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: making up stuff. Yeah, because I posted this video and
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: you can see like my app. But it's like I
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: think it's like it gets uncomfortable because they have not
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: seen it, you know, many times, and so they have
• 34:23
  Speaker 5: to be like, all right, now that's enough, that's enough.
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: You know, you get that secondhand embarrassment with when somebody
• 34:28
  Speaker 5: is getting too much praise and it's just like, all right,
• 34:31
  Speaker 5: the light has been we see you.
• 34:33
  Speaker 8: You know, it's like I want you to make it,
• 34:35
  Speaker 8: but don't make it too far.
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: Because it's that edge of it's just uncomfortable. I don't know.
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: I don't know that it's really that.
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: I think it's subconsciously you're justifying your own failures. Well,
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: it just makes you uncomfortable to understand that there is
• 34:49
  Speaker 5: much much more available and you weigh down here, you
• 34:53
  Speaker 5: know what I'm saying.
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: And it's not judging anybody where they're at, but when.
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: You're used to seeing people being super uber duper successful,
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: you understand that yeah can have that, and there's less
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: limitation on your starting point, whereas for us, a lot
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: of times that finish line is so far and then
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: when it if you start pushing it even further with
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: your success.
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: You're like, hold on, stop, wait, don't do that because.
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: That's more work for me. And I think understanding and
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: being able to process that it helps you to not
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: take it on, like not feel it's not personal. I
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: do say I did say in the beginning it used
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: to hurt my feelings that it used to be mostly
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: black women that I saw doing it, and then you know,
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: I would say, like the feminine, more gay black men
• 35:41
  Speaker 5: was doing it too. It's just like, uh, I hate
• 35:43
  Speaker 5: that outfit. Uh look at her wig, Uh her late sprint.
• 35:46
  Speaker 7: Uh.
• 35:46
  Speaker 5: Like it's just just tearing you down, like or you know,
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: I've done a few things to enhance my appearance, teeth,
• 35:52
  Speaker 5: you know, all the surgeries, and people will say, you know,
• 35:55
  Speaker 5: oh she hate herself. You know, you need to love
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: your black features, like nobody said I did not.
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: You know, I want to get my nails, my hair.
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: What's the difference if I do something that seems a
• 36:04
  Speaker 5: little bit more permanent.
• 36:05
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it's white people in their own Okay.
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: It's hard.
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: It's hard to ignore when it's a thousand against one,
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: you know, but I have learned to get out the comments.
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: Understand.
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: Like I said that, when people see you doing well,
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: and when people see that you want more for yourself
• 36:25
  Speaker 5: and that you're willing to go to certain links, it
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: really makes them uncomfortable and understanding and having compassion for
• 36:33
  Speaker 5: that position.
• 36:34
  Speaker 7: They're really justifying their own face because they have to
• 36:36
  Speaker 7: say to themselves, oh, she did something and he did something,
• 36:40
  Speaker 7: you know, terrible in order.
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: To get to where they are.
• 36:43
  Speaker 7: They're literally just doing that to make themselves feel better
• 36:46
  Speaker 7: about why they.
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: Not what they want right.
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: Money is evil you and Ilimnati, you know, she had
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: to be humping somebody to get that.
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: You know. And by the way, I never had to
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: do that.
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: For as the Lord, I probably would have been working
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: on target if I had to do that.
• 37:01
  Speaker 8: How would you describe your love life now?
• 37:03
  Speaker 6: Like you don't have to be married before early on
• 37:06
  Speaker 6: twenty six, you know, how would you describe it right now?
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: I would say I'm more into real like deep.
• 37:19
  Speaker 5: Love on a on a three sixty Global Energetic, Like
• 37:24
  Speaker 5: I heard a quote was that on the way here,
• 37:27
  Speaker 5: I was listening to Tony Robbins said, you can't love
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: Tony if when you really love yourself, you can't hate
• 37:34
  Speaker 5: on nobody else. Like That's where I'm at, is like
• 37:39
  Speaker 5: I can see the joy and beauty and love in everything,
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: not just a romantic relationship. You know, have a great
• 37:47
  Speaker 5: relationship with my mother and father. These days it's like,
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: you know, I'm just I just just love, like I
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: just want to push that. I feel we need it.
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: We need it so badly. There's so much nasty stuff
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: happening in the world right now. People have zero compassion.
• 38:01
  Speaker 5: They just you know, devoid of empathy, and you know,
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: they'll step on a dead body. It's like like, I mean, honestly,
• 38:08
  Speaker 5: it's just like, why are you recording these mans his
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: last breath?
• 38:12
  Speaker 8: You will record somebody dying?
• 38:14
  Speaker 6: Is I remember, you'd be scared of a dead body,
• 38:16
  Speaker 6: be scared to walk down the street and see why
• 38:18
  Speaker 6: more or the thought of death makes you cringe, you know.
• 38:21
  Speaker 8: Now people are filming people, you.
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: Know, and it's it's it's actually scary, it's really scary.
• 38:29
  Speaker 5: It's just like, man, what is happening in the world.
• 38:32
  Speaker 5: So if I can offer some love and you know,
• 38:36
  Speaker 5: I call everybody. Baby, Hey, how you doing, baby, beautiful honey.
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: You know, maybe that's just the Southern in me. I
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: don't know, but I just want to give love, you know.
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: That's what my love life is like. It's for the world.
• 38:49
  Speaker 6: So you basically ain't telling me nothing about you being
• 38:53
  Speaker 6: singed with somebody or nothing.
• 38:54
  Speaker 8: I'm oh so still to the same dude that you got.
• 39:02
  Speaker 6: I know that's right, because I'm sitting here trying to
• 39:03
  Speaker 6: look we can go out, and I was about talking
• 39:05
  Speaker 6: about this, but I had to.
• 39:06
  Speaker 8: Realize that you're still.
• 39:08
  Speaker 6: Well that's nice because I also had another question, right,
• 39:11
  Speaker 6: I need to write it down because you know, I'll
• 39:12
  Speaker 6: be stumbling over my words when stuff gets too long.
• 39:14
  Speaker 6: But you have a line in your song where you
• 39:16
  Speaker 6: mentioned the smell of your perfume, right, which has people
• 39:19
  Speaker 6: thinking that the love interest is women. That's what they
• 39:22
  Speaker 6: I ain't saying, that's what I thought, but you know
• 39:23
  Speaker 6: that's what people think. So I have to ask you,
• 39:25
  Speaker 6: especially how you spelled the song. I was and I
• 39:27
  Speaker 6: was a lot of people. Yeah, you know, but this
• 39:31
  Speaker 6: that me again, this is somebody else. Is that you're
• 39:34
  Speaker 6: leaving the little easter egg that you could be into women? Romantically,
• 39:39
  Speaker 6: but I prefer hot dogs.
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: I don't like bolooney.
• 39:42
  Speaker 6: Well, thank you so much because now I can go
• 39:43
  Speaker 6: back and tell him that they but you know, I, yeah,
• 39:48
  Speaker 6: I don't like.
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: Has a first name.
• 39:55
  Speaker 5: As you go back what he said, tell something that's like.
• 40:10
  Speaker 8: Everybody.
• 40:11
  Speaker 5: But also you know al de parfume, that just means
• 40:14
  Speaker 5: fragrance since right, And I think people if you understand,
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: like me and my friends, we all are scent freaks.
• 40:21
  Speaker 5: Like we go to the perfume shop. I mean it's
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: a little spot.
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: What was that where was that at? When we went
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: to it was like with.
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: The oil, it was like the Middle Eastern No no,
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: it was like one of them like little you know
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: how they have like little no like the city, but
• 40:40
  Speaker 5: it's like nothing but like Arabic people in that it's
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: like a no no, it's like a store. When you
• 40:48
  Speaker 5: go in there, it's like incense. They got like the
• 40:50
  Speaker 5: perfumed oil. You know, you take it out the wand
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: and you put it in the lasts all day, like
• 40:56
  Speaker 5: it be on your clothes three days later.
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: So we love fragrance.
• 40:59
  Speaker 5: Love and so if you shop perfume like we do,
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: it's everything's unisex.
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: These days.
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: But also if you are into the world of God,
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: you understand that the Holy Spirit has a perfume, a
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: sweet perfume.
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: It talks about you know.
• 41:16
  Speaker 5: And I just think people like are really one track
• 41:19
  Speaker 5: minded these days. They want me to be a part
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: of the road Brigades bad like I love my girls.
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: I love my girls, I love my people.
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: But at the same time, it's like, baby, I don't
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: I know what you got.
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: I don't want none of that. I don't. I don't.
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: I'm just making his music and let it be.
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: I will say one thing I don't do is use
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: gingers in my songs for the most part. I'll try
• 41:47
  Speaker 5: to keep it ginger neutral like you. I it us
• 41:51
  Speaker 5: we because it's more mess that's digest.
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: When you're writing. It's not hard.
• 42:00
  Speaker 8: She's a writer.
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: I do this, you know what.
• 42:02
  Speaker 7: I'm Charlotte, because you're talking about your husband and you
• 42:05
  Speaker 7: say they no, no.
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: You have to make it make sense. That suggests that
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: I'm talking about non binary folks.
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: But I definitely when you wanted to put him or.
• 42:17
  Speaker 5: Her first person, you okay, you give me a super
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: power together. World could be hours me on the counter.
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: You know, Jesus, you know what I'm saying.
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: But no, y'all, I'm not at this point here today.
• 42:36
  Speaker 5: I am not a part of the l g B
• 42:38
  Speaker 5: t Q I A plus community. I love y'all down
• 42:42
  Speaker 5: use my music for however you see fit.
• 42:45
  Speaker 6: But now I think that people just think because you're
• 42:47
  Speaker 6: so creative and writers can be very strategic and leave
• 42:50
  Speaker 6: little east eggs, you know.
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: What I mean.
• 42:52
  Speaker 6: So like, you know, your fans could probably just like
• 42:56
  Speaker 6: some of your fans could probably be looking a little bit.
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: No.
• 42:59
  Speaker 5: It was this one girl on TikTok breaking it down.
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: She talking about a woman, and I'm just I'm very entertained, Like, okay,
• 43:08
  Speaker 5: since you got your degree, you know everything, what's.
• 43:10
  Speaker 8: A lot of your degree?
• 43:12
  Speaker 5: You know.
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: It's just like people just be making up stuff and
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: say anything. I love it though.
• 43:17
  Speaker 5: That's the purpose of music is like it's a conversation starter,
• 43:20
  Speaker 5: you know if if people want it to be a
• 43:22
  Speaker 5: sapphic love.
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: Song, O that own that take it. I love that
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: for me.
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: I just never heard heard it referred to as bologney.
• 43:30
  Speaker 5: Was roast beef, roast beef?
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: I never heard baloone either.
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: I never heard boloon. Why is roast beef fruit I'm
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: you know what rose looked like. It's tasty.
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: Oh my god.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: But why bogey though, because hot talk.
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: And bologney are made out of the same thing.
• 43:50
  Speaker 8: Maybe maybe say hamburger, maybe fish.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: All right, I'm done, money API, Let's get into your
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: single made.
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: For you, This is made for me.
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  Speaker 1: Money Long. We appreciate you for joining us.
• 44:12
  Speaker 7: Absolutely keep doing your thing money on the grammy everything
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  Speaker 7: you are.
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: You are doing what you're supposed to be doing.
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: On the way. I gotta come back.
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: On you damn out Money.
• 44:22
  Speaker 7: But because she said something earlier, where do you think
• 44:24
  Speaker 7: you are in the game?
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: Like what like level?
• 44:26
  Speaker 7: Because I was having a conversation this weekend just about
• 44:28
  Speaker 7: like stars superstars, like where do you think you.
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: I'm on the way.
• 44:33
  Speaker 5: I think I'm on the way to definitely carving my
• 44:36
  Speaker 5: own seats on lane because I'm doing something that a
• 44:41
  Speaker 5: lot of people are not right now, and I think
• 44:43
  Speaker 5: it'll be very easy for me to own a space. Obviously,
• 44:47
  Speaker 5: the goal is legacy, icon superstardom.
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: I think there's.
• 44:54
  Speaker 5: A certain moment when the lights come on and you
• 44:57
  Speaker 5: start realizing, like she doing, she's taking it, and I
• 45:01
  Speaker 5: think that is the error that I'm in right now
• 45:04
  Speaker 5: where people see like I'm not playing. I take this
• 45:07
  Speaker 5: very seriously. I'm here to leave, you know, a trail
• 45:12
  Speaker 5: of magic behind me. And I think I say this
• 45:17
  Speaker 5: to my friends all the time. We gonna look back
• 45:19
  Speaker 5: on these times right now and be like, oh my god,
• 45:22
  Speaker 5: remember when we just thought we was zonin it.
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: And now look at us? You know?
• 45:27
  Speaker 5: So absolutely, I definitely see myself on the upward trajectory.
• 45:33
  Speaker 5: I can't call it as far as like, am I
• 45:35
  Speaker 5: a star? Am I a superstar? That's up for y'all
• 45:37
  Speaker 5: to feel like you know, you feel my energy. You
• 45:40
  Speaker 5: guys interview and be around incredible, great people all the time,
• 45:44
  Speaker 5: so you guys would have that sort of insight to
• 45:48
  Speaker 5: be like yo.
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: She she reminds me of when X y Z came to.
• 45:53
  Speaker 5: I think my job is to just get allow God
• 45:56
  Speaker 5: to show himself through me in my work. As I
• 46:00
  Speaker 5: keep doing that, He's gonna take me places where. I mean,
• 46:04
  Speaker 5: it might be a word bigger than superstar. I don't
• 46:06
  Speaker 5: even know you know what I'm saying.
• 46:07
  Speaker 7: I definitely think you're on the forefront of this new
• 46:10
  Speaker 7: renaissance of R and B. That's happening like you's her
• 46:14
  Speaker 7: Somema Walker Ari Lennox, Like it's definitely a R and
• 46:18
  Speaker 7: B renaissance that I feel.
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: Is being led by black women right now.
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, we need some more guys. We go.
• 46:24
  Speaker 5: Give me on vision. Yeah, we need we need that.
• 46:28
  Speaker 5: Next usher just came back to he did.
• 46:32
  Speaker 6: Yeah he has music on YouTube, like music on YouTube,
• 46:34
  Speaker 6: so yeah, check that out.
• 46:39
  Speaker 5: I'm sorry, I feel like Khalid is more like the
• 46:42
  Speaker 5: pop Yeah I do.
• 46:43
  Speaker 8: That's just my all right, I need to reevaluate, but
• 46:47
  Speaker 8: like that.
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: Real like you know, like Joe to ce case that
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: you know.
• 46:55
  Speaker 8: Ain't trying to feel it no more. You remember you
• 46:57
  Speaker 8: remember Geni Wine.
• 46:59
  Speaker 5: Was like, we can't know they're need to be ugly singing.
• 47:06
  Speaker 8: We need.
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: Like we need the value of bologney. You gotta be increasing.
• 47:13
  Speaker 7: People don't value but they don't value bolooney in love
• 47:16
  Speaker 7: like they do. Remember, everybody, there was a moment where
• 47:18
  Speaker 7: it's like all of these dudes were singing like rappers,
• 47:20
  Speaker 7: the way rappers talk about women.
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: That's a lot of the dudes.
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: Were also is women.
• 47:25
  Speaker 5: You said that you put us onto that I was
• 47:27
  Speaker 5: talking about behind her, Yeah, behind her?
• 47:32
  Speaker 7: Ay, behind it sounds like Busty.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: It's the Breakfast Club. Wake up in the morning, The
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: Breakfast Club