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Coming up on this week's episode of hip Hop Now podcast, my thoughts on
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the new single and video by Eminem Boudini, Drake reference tracks pop up everywhere
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and is Ice Cube's no Vasaline the greatest disc record in hip hop history?
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Ice Cube seems to think so, well, let's talk. Welcome to Jipop
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for news. So without further ado, let's get right into the business say
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so. Eminem has a brand new album slated to release soon entitled The Death
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of Slim Shady. I talked about it on his podcast in detail. If
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you go back maybe two episodes, you'll find an episode where I kind of
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talk about it. You can learn more about it. But he just released
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the first single from this album, entitled Houdini, and if you listen to
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the name of the album right the Death of Slim Shady, it seems like
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it's going to be a concept album. And I'm assuming very heavy on the
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concept on the conceptual side of things, which is probably what I hope for
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more than given something that title, having a single and a video tied to
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it, and then you listen to the rest of the album, it's just
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a bunch of other records, which isn't the worst thing in the world.
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But I think at this point in Eminem's career wouldn't be bad for him not
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to make a concept album, not only skits that play into the concept,
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but also the music itself. I live one of the greatest concept albums in
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hip hop history, and maybe I'll do like a top concept albums and hip
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hop, but this one in particular, and people who know me Sticky Fingers,
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Black Trash, the Autobiography of Kurt Jones. Not only was it a
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dope hip hop album, but just as a concept it was like one big
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story with detail right again, not just his the concept kind of thing,
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and you know, then a bunch of songs, no literally everything tied into
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everything. So we're kind of hoping for that. This first song my impressions,
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I say, off this Eminem single Deani. I listened to it first,
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you know, woke up in the mo went to Apple, you know,
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just to see what was new. I was like, oh, yeah,
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right, Eminem's song comes out. So I listened to it first,
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and I'm not even gonna hold y'all. I'm an Eminem fan, but the
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slim, shady, goofy guess who's back that dude? Like for me,
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it ended with that song, which I think that song was on The Eminem
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Show, or maybe that was on Marshall Matheris, But by the time of
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the Eminem Show, I was kind of done with that side of Eminem.
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Now. I don't mind it on the albums because he's funny, you know,
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he could be very funny, but I think when it came to the
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goofy videos and the song, the formula got old. Like I talked about
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Eminem's career a while back, I did did I do a desiography? Thing.
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Yeah, I think I did a tear list of Eminem and I just
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felt like after the Eminem Show was his peak. And then he tried to
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come back. I think it was Curtain Call, and it was just such
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a rehash of what he had done and what he had done that was successful
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at his highest point, which was the Eminem Show, that it was literally
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just a rehash of that. And I get it, curtain Call, it's
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the Eminem Show, it's the it's the follow up. It's supposed to sound
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like that, but it just felt too much like it to the point where
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it didn't have its own identity or it wasn't an extension of the Eminem Show.
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It was just another Eminem album, and the goofiness just got old for
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me. And then I remember when he came back with Relapse, and it
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was like Slimshady was back, but it was more on the I don't know,
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like this horror core serial killer kind of vibe, and I messed with
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it like that, like, yo, yeah, do that. If you're
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gonna do Slim Shady, do that now, don't do the goofy stuff.
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This and pop stars. So when I heard Houdini, I almost turned it
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off. Because I was like, oh, they're doing this now. This
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is one thing I did say that people. Ever since, Eminem returned with
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a like a good album, which I think was relapsed. He had gotten
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to a point where he would like hit miss hit miss hit miss with albums,
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and he was kind of like on that trail. Now. His last
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album, Murdered to Die By, I thought it was dope, and I
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like even like the deluxe version even better. I thought that album was dope.
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I felt like, Yo, this is the pocket Eminem needs to stay
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in. This album, this is the blueprint if you're going to continue to
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make music. Didn't contain you know, the guests, who's back kind of
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slim Shady. Even though slim Shady was in there, just wasn't that.
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This song made me feel like, now we're about to get the whack album.
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But then I want to I had to listen to it, and I'm
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like, all right, I get it, you know, I get it.
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It's the death of slim Shady. I mean, slim Shady gotta be
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on here, and you know, I get it. But this ain't the
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I don't know what the whole album sounds like. So I'm gonna reserve my
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judgment, but the first single ain't doing it for me, not gonna make
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the playlist, right. Some people would say they ain't playing it in the
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hood. Whatever. Man, I've seen dudes on YouTube playing it and they
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live in the hood. Sorry sorry if that hurts you. But then I
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was like, well, let me watch the video just to see. And
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when I watched the video, the video made me pay more attention to the
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lyrics, and then I had an aha moment, like, Okay, I
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see so essentially, and this goes for you people passing judgment just because you
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like to argue on Twitter, right, whether it's negative or positive, you're
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just like arguing. You're not really paying attention to the details. When I
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listen to the record without any real context and just knowing this wasn't the end
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I wanted to hear, I was just kind of like h on it.
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When I watched the video and it made sense, I was like, all
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right, okay, Death of Slim Shady. There's the old Eminem in the
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video. He has the da slim Shady coming from two thousand and two into
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the future and seeing all this weird stuff going on, and the older Eminem
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wants to end Doctor Dre. They don't want to stop him because that eminem
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is just unhinged. So in the video and this ain't no spoiler in no
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movie. It ain't the Matrix five, but you know the old eminem and
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the new eminem merges, which tells me metaphorically by just watching it in some
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of the bars that he's going to basically up said a lot of people.
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Right, there's already some controversial r. Kelly bars, and then there's already
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some controversial Megan the Stallion bars in there. To me, nothing crazy like
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clever lines. But I mean, I don't think there should be any big
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deal about it. He mentions getting canceled and all this stuff. So I
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think what he's going to do is try to make one last album where he
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does some of those older things he said, some of those older things he
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used to say, Well he really didn't care. And I think, like
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I, you know, I always go to see what the reaction is on
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social media, not just Twitter but everywhere including Reddit, and I saw some
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people saying, Yo, why he's still rapping like this? You know what
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I'm saying, Like he hasn't matured, which is crazy to say. If
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you did like did you not hear recovery, Like, yeah, he already
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matured, but this is entertainment and this is what he does. And there's
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a certain section of fans who miss slim Shady, right because that's the eminem.
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They know, they don't want the black Beard. You know, I
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don't do drugs no more. You know our rhyme here and there. I'm
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politically correct, and they kind of miss slim Shady. So that's what this
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video was for. I thought the video was fun. I think it made
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me look at the record in a better light. Still not gonna make my
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playlist because honestly, the video is what's entertaining about the song to me.
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And now that I understand the concept of the album, I just hope again
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that the concept doesn't only exist within the frame of this song and then we
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just get these other records with it, Like, let's go down that rabbit
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hole of what slim Shady could and couldn't say, you know, let's keep
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that battle going of old eminem and new eminem battling. Let's keep the concept
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going, because if you just make songs to upset people like he used to
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do, then it's just not gonna be good for him at this point in
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his career, especially today, but in a lot of ways, he still
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gets to have that social commentary that he would have had back in the days,
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but he's policing himself. So it's one of those things where you either
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gonna be with it or you're not, because it's sort of like it's a
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concept. And I'll just tell you right now, if you never liked Eminem
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but you know that he's nice, you're not gonna like this record because this
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record ain't really about bars. There's some bars in there, but it ain't
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really about being the best rapper. It's really for the fans who like Slim
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Shady, who liked the silly stuff that he did. Now, I ain't
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gonna front. When the first album came out, it wasn't my Name is
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right. I liked it because I thought his lyrics were funny to me and
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it was playful. And I'll just say this right. I know there's a
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lot of hip hop police on the internet, regular dudes. I know there's
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a lot of people where if you show any admiration for what they hate,
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you're a stand which is not true. You can be a fan like myself
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and still criticize some of your favorite artists when you don't like something. This
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song just doesn't really do it for me. Maybe within the context of an
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album well, or maybe I will skip it, who knows. But it
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is what it is, and it's not a statement on what his career has
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been and what people recognize. The mask Again, NAS, for me,
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doesn't move up to the He's close, He doesn't move up to the goat
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the top goat just because of his hit boy Run, which was phenomenal,
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Because I can't all of a sudden forget why I chose ll kojs go,
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because there's just certain boxes that ll kooj checks that NAS doesn't check. You
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know, it's just what it is, but there's something that you know Nas
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is right there with L. So I kind of feel like when it comes
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to people like Eminem who are rapping at the age they're rapping and they have
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this history. If you don't like it, don't watch it. If you
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on social media and you don't want to see it pop up in your timeline,
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you can mute certain words and trust me, it works like a charm.
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Sometimes I forget what I muted and I'm like, damn, why I'm
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not seeing while I'm not seeing Lil Yachti's stuff. He retired, like,
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oh I muted it. I didn't mute him, but you know what I'm
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saying. So if you don't like something, it's cool to express it absolutely.
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But I see dudes and all on not just dudes but hip hop fans
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on social media all the time just saying how much they don't like something.
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But I just really watched you all day tweet about it. I don't understand
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that kind of energy. Who has that kind of time? So I'm curious
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to see what this new album, The Death of Slim Shady, is going
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to be. But also at the same token, I am cautiously optimistic because
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I thought the Marshall Mathers LP two was going to be dope and it was
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not. It was whack. So who knows what we're gonna get. Hopefully
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it's something dope, but we shall see. But no cheat codes for anybody
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who I really like, because I gotta like the songs. I can't just
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say I like it because I've been a fan. I gotta like it.
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So there you have it. Drake reference tracks have been popping up all over
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the place. Party next Door, we all know Quintin Miller, Lil YACHTI,
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a couple of other dudes. I've never heard of all of these reference
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tracks for songs like Mob Times for Drake, and people are doing things like
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playing the reference and then playing the song just so you know that it's not
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like, oh, it's a reference and he took pieces. But then Drake
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crafted, No, he just he just rehearsed the reference for his album.
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That's ghostwriting, y'all. That's ghostwriting. That's what it is. And ironically
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a lot of what's come out is all on the same album. And more
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ironic than that, it's the one Drake album I do not like at all,
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which is Scorpia. It's the album where I think I think he rapped
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the most on that album, you got ghost writers. But the other thing,
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like I said on social media, was damn, I always we always
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always hear reference tracks from the songs that I don't. I never looked at
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Drake as yo, he could spit like none of these reference tracks, the
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songs where I felt like he could rhyme on those records like they're not.
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They would just like to throwaway, you know. The new wave just just
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real basic, most basic records and lyrics. Ever, those are the ones
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with the reference tracks, So it just seems weird to me because I'm like,
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all right, well, does he not write those? But when it's
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time to like battle or you know, or anything like duppy freestyle or zero
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two one hundred, is that Drake using his pen? Because if that's the
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case, then he's very capable of writing raps. He just I guess doesn't
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have time to make the simpleton stuff, so he just gets the people who
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do that already and he pay them and then he makes the record. And
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on social media asked the question, like, you know, does it matter
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if Drake is getting reference tracks? You know? Do people feel like,
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you know, yo, you say you're a rapper, you the best?
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You know, you're not supposed to have a ghost writer, or like I'm
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saying you know and I'm not saying either. Or I feel like if you
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rap and you're talking about you the best, you should write your stuff.
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But just to play Devil's advocate, I mean, what if it's just the
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you know, the ABC one two three records, does anybody cares? Did
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you ever view that as a level of skill when you heard any of those
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records? Now to me, that makes the case of then why it's so
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hard for you not to write them, Drake. So it's a damned if
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you do, damned if you don't situation. But at the same time,
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I think this is the thing because it you know, again, when these
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things happen, the people who love to argue on social media, especially Twitter,
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tend to go in and everybody's pulling up YouTube videos as evidence and or
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they just go back and forth and then they start defining what a words mean.
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Reference track. Let's just talk about that before we move on. I
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don't know of a case only because we wouldn't know unless we just found it.
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Of a case where somebody did a reference track for you, word for
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word with hook, and you repeated it word for word with hook and then
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called it a collaboration. You're a performer in that instance, and this person
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is the writer because you're not contributing to the writing process because you're just performing
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the lyrics based off the reference track. So that person wrote it. Luiati
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wrote that record, and the discussion. Some people even compare Drake like,
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well, you know, even Michael Jackson had writers. Of course, he
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had writes. Michael Jackson wasn't a writer. He also wasn't a hip hop
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artist, where writing your own lyrics is like a part of your superpower.
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That stuff don't cross over and to pop. And because that's been happening since
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the beginning of the time, every singer is not a writer. It's just
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not how it works. Some people could just sing and perform well, and
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then they go and look for producers who not only bring them the music but
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also bring them the lyrics. Not everybody does that. Michael Jackson was as
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popular as he was because if Ron Tipperton has given you here, here's a
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single for you to sing, and it's all about monsters, ghouls and gobbles.
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I'm just describing monsters in the corniest way when you read it. But
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then Michael Jackson turns that into a hit. Okay, then we nobody's like,
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that's an incredible all the lyrics. You know, it's close to midnight
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and something's lurking in the dark man those lyrics. No, it's what Mike
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did with the lyrics. When you listen to the Drake Reference track. Yeah,
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he's slightly better than Yady performing this, but Yadi wrote it. And
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if the fans dig the lyrics and what's being said. Then the performance is
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not doing it. It's just they think it's coming from Drake and Yady just
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wrote the perfect words. Now, people talked about collaborative writers, y'all happens
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all the time. Blah blah blah blah blah. That's not what's happening with
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Drake with these particular records. He's performing the records. He's not a part
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of the writing process. When you're taking everything verbatim from the reference. Allah,
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what is it? Queen Bee Little Kim's record where Biggie wrote her verse
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and did a reference track, Little Kim performed that she didn't write that joint
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unless they sat down and wrote it and Big Win in the booth, Like
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if they sat down and wrote it together, and Big Wint in the booth
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and said, this is how you should say all of this, and here's
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a reference so you can get the cadence down. That's a little bit different.
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And then they are the people who are there who have ideas. You
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may write something and they may feel like, yo, you should say that
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line is dope, but I'm not getting the impact from that line, so
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you should say it with disinflection or maybe drop this word out because it still
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means that those are co writers as well, but you know what they are
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in that instance, editors, If we really want to talk about it,
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right, it's just helping the fine tune. What you're doing, is it
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use the concept, the idea, The energy is still yours. You just
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we're going to try and make it a hit. So sometimes you need another
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mind to do that. And then they are the people who just already understand
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how everything should work and they just get in with a producer and they go.
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So the recording process isn't one size fits all. The writing process isn't
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one size fits all. Most of them seeds typically are writing their own records
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from the gate. Unless you a dope m C. You know you had
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this hot record, but now we're making your album. You're struggling to have
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different content. As a business, you might want to bring somebody in there
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to help polish what's there and ideas. Sometimes it's just set s that writer
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on the right path and then they can go. So I think the problem
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with hip hop is and we're not gonna stay there too much long because it's
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got one more topic. And these episodes have been long. The last couple
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of weeks. And I'm sorry, but what typically happens is people feel like
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in hip hop everything is no. You have to write your own lyrics,
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you have to make the entire beat like it's just everybody has to be that.
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But everybody's not that, just like everybody in the soul music situations.
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The situation wasn't Stevie Wonder or Marvin Gay or even somebody like Lionel Richie who
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wrote, like and produced. There are not many people like that that can
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sit there and write hit records and produce hit records all by themselves, don't
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really need any help. Those people who do that typically earn it because they
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put out so much great music nobody should mess with it. So we're gonna
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stand back and let them cook. But when you got a long career and
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you've probably done that for three albums straight and singles and features and stuff like
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that, and now you're so busy, you're probably so much more busy.
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And I'm talking about people who blow up. So don't really compare somebody who's
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able to buy a bunch of chains and a whip and a decent house to
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somebody who's mega rich and the demand for them beyond the music is so crazy
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that they wouldn't be able to create more music, but that's their main revenue
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stream, so they have to keep cooking. Like, trust me, if
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you're doing a bunch of whatever outside of making music, and now you got
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to go to the studio, you're not and you're probably tired. You might
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want to sleep, you might want to eat. It may sound good to
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be like, nah, you just sold we just sold you that out,
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and nah that nobody's doing that for a career. You only doing that if
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you're on a level where everything all the stakes are much lower and you have
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way more time to be creative. So I don't know. I think in
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a lot of ways, I never really looked at Track as one of the
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best rappers. I never thought he was whack. I think it is kind
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of trash that even you can't even rank these simpleton records. But it's still
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a business, and I think a lot of people don't want to hear it's
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a business part while they sit there and make transactions, business transactions for some
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of their favorite artists, but they don't want to talk about the business.
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But it is a business. Music is business. You're paying for it unless
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you choose to do it for free. And none of them are going to
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do that reference tracks or reference tracks, but we need to, we need
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to. We showed me a reference track of somebody who I had no idea
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was writing all their music, like like showed me like hip boy references,
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like yeah, I wrote the whole Magic album. Now I just did this,
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Then my mom will be blown. But Drake and those records, I'm
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like, I don't care. I never he never ranked like that for me
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on the hip hop side, I kind of mess with all the other stuff.
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He does all the pop stuff, to be honest. So they have
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it. And lastly, so Ice Cubes said this more than once and I've
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I've listened because you know, in the past, we don't get this kind
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of access that we get now with social media. So I wanted to hear
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him ount and he said that his song, his disc record No Bad Selene
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off the Death Death Certificate Album is the greatest hip hopt this record of all
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time. And he said this a while back when people brought it up and
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questioned it, and even now with the Kendrick Lamar and Drake battle, it's
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kind of resurfaced. And he said it again, and he's like, Yo,
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I don't care what anybody says. That's me by myself going at one
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of the largest groups in hip hop. You know that was super hot at
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the time that I left all by myself and I'm battling four dudes and their
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manager. Basically who else did that? And that's the argument I always make.
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I'm like, you can't. You can't just sweep No Vaciline under the
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rug and just say it's ether or what Kendrick did. Like, you can't.
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I'm surprised that people forget the bridges over, the bridges over. It
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was either before either, do not be mistaken. It was no Vassiline before,
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no vascanline, Do not be mistaken Now. I think, honestly,
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if I had to say what record is the greatest diss record of all time,
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it has to go beyond just bars. It has to go beyond just
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the dope beat. Has to go beyond well, maybe just those things,
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because I think the great disc records do more than just have dope lyrics and
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beats. I think it's all about the aftermath, what happened after this record
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released? What changed? If you can shift the culture some people say that
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phrase because it sounds cool you shifted the culture, but they don't really have
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a definition for what that means. I do. Let's just go over the
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four of them, right, the ones that typically get mentioned, or maybe
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a little bit more. But that's it, no vacillating. So what happened
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to NWA after that? Well, there wasn't an answer really because NWA started
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this an ice Q prior to this disc on their second album. Then Death
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Certificate came out and NWA never released another album. Now is ice Cube in
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this song responsible for that? In some ways because now not only was it
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an adult record, but ice Cube pointed out how bad the record deals was
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and it was embarrassing to some of those guys because now they're starting to question
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Easy. Now. Wren never left Easy, but Doctor Dre was like,
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you know what, you might be right, You're right, you know what
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I'm saying. So that's the impact on your opponent, not the people,
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because all these records were big with the people, but on your opponent.
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So in a lot of ways, he kind of broke up the group forever
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by saying it's possible to be large without MWA and make money and be your
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old man, the bridge is over. Well, the bridge is over.
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Similar to what fifty cent did to Ja Ruh mc shann and Ja Rul didn't
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disappear after you know, crazy disc records or what did happen is people stopped
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caring about them. Now that's kind of crazy because people didn't stop caring about
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Nwa on Ice cute Distance, but people started to act like they didn't like
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jar Rule ever. People was acting like they never liked Chan and Sham put
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out a good album after that, but in the psyche of the hip hop
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public, yo, but they whax, So why would I even listen to
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him? So that's an impact. Also hit him up with Tupac. This
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didn't have the impact that I think some people think it did because it was
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such a scathing disc that it was more funny and like, oh what do
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you say abouh blah blah. But it didn't stop Big from being dope.
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It didn't change people's minds about Big. It just set it off. It
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was never in exchange between the two, at least a back and forth like
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his Tupac's disreck and his bigs answer. So it's almost like an incomplete battle,
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right. So it don't really count that. And last two ETHERA.
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When Ether dropped, I'll tell you like this. Before Ether, I was
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living in Baltimore and I'm from New York, and obviously I went home frequently
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from Baltimore to New York. You could tell that jay Z was the dominant
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force in hip hop, especially hip hop radio, and when Ether came out,
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it shifted. People didn't hate jay Z, but they just stopped talking
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about him for that moment and started talking more about Nins and it made jay
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Z look bad, like you thought you could do that to him. It
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was embarrassing on the highest level. Now, when jay Z finally came back
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with an album, we still checked for it, so people still cared,
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and you know, jay Z was still in business, but his career,
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his status took a major hit because he was huge. He was like the
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king, and it was like, you can beat everybody but him, and
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that's just what it was. And it's similar with Kendrick Lamar. Now with
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this battle, it's a little bit different because it's more of the rollout.
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Is what's crazy with the songs with the easter eggs for each song, the
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answer response, it's kind of like the rollout is almost better than all the
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songs, even though all the songs it though, I don't feel even though
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this is young, I don't feel like Drake's career is over at all at
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all. I don't feel like Drake is going out of business anytime soon.
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But I do feel I mean, like as far as his image, but
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I do feel like his image has taken a major hit because now when you
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talk about who's better, you sound crazy. He's trying to say Drake's better
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than Kendrick because now we have more than enough proof to say no, he's
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not. We just do. And that's just not the biggest impact. So
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I think at the end of the day, when you talk about greatest diss
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records, I think you can't choose one. I know I went through all
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of that just to say that, but I'm sorry. The circumstances are so
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different, so unique to the situations that we can't really say ice Cubes is
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better than everybody else because ice Cube and nasus Eca take a similar road with
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the lyrics themselves, right, like a dissection, But Kendrick's dissection is on
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a whole nother level because it's not just talking about him. It's like revealing
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things about him personal things true or not that also crept into the minds of
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folks. So at the end of the day, yeah, it's kind of
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a cop out not for me to say which one is the best, but
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that's because I don't know. I can't really call it. But what do
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you think? Do you think ice cube has a point? No Vasciline is
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the greatest dis record of all time because of what he stated. Give your
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