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Gooning · Kinkyboys Podcast

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Buck: This episode of the Kinky Boys podcast is brought to you by all our good boys
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Buck: That's Time to Tinker, Frank Enel, Adam NYC, Southern Souter,
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Buck: Those are daddy's favourites. Now, on with the show.
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Buck: Hello, and welcome again to the Kinky Boys podcast.
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Buck: I'm Buck, your presenter, and joining us is co-host David, the hairy hypnotist.
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Buck: And re-back-back-back again is our frequent guest, Samson.
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David: Hello again. Hello, I'm like the clap, you just can't get rid of me.
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Buck: Well, if you come on ten times, you can stamp that little card and you get something free.
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Sampson: I haven't decided to like- Ooh, is this like SNL five timers? Mm-hmm.
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Sampson: I love it, yeah. We'll have to decide what it is later. Yeah.
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Buck: So, yeah.
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David: My vote is toaster oven.
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Sampson: Oh, easy bake oven? Absolutely.
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Buck: Not a panini maker?
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David: Could be both
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Buck: But yeah samson is back to talk to us about goon
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Sampson: You ready to get gooned you're ready to get gooned so.
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David: Are we talking like like evil supervillain goons or are we talking some other kind of
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Sampson: Gooning you know i think it's funny that there is kind of this overlap
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Sampson: in a linguistic way with that i i almost feel like
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Sampson: it is similar in the sense of
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Sampson: when you think of like superheroes heroes and you
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Sampson: know look at like a super villains kind of squad they are
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Sampson: usually like big dump they're his goons right
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Sampson: they're his like his kind of bodyguards his
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Sampson: kind of like you know weasels so to speak and yeah like i i think maybe there's
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Sampson: partially overlap i would be so curious to know the linguistic you know etymology
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Sampson: of yeah of the word gooning specifically like baiting is obviously very easy
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Sampson: to understand because it's like a portmanteau of masturbating,
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Sampson: but gooning is a kind of a, kind of a different thing, a different headspace.
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Buck: Yeah. Although the two, baiting and gooning, a lot, a lot of people have said them like connected.
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Buck: Or there's at least a bit of overlap in the cultures there.
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Sampson: Yeah. Yeah. I think a lot of particularly good points that I have been reading
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Sampson: lately have been from like the trans community saying like, you do not have
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Sampson: to be like a baiter to be a gooner, right?
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Sampson: Like you do not have to have a certain type of genitalia to engage with this
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Sampson: king, which I really love. And I really agree with.
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Sampson: Um, I think previously some people would have assumed like, not all baiting
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Sampson: is gooning, but all gooning is baiting.
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Sampson: Every square is a rectangle, but not every rectangle is a square.
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Buck: It goes in a square hole.
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David: So I'm just getting more and more confused here. So can you,
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David: can you just like, give me a definition of what gooning actually is for those
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David: of us who don't know? Sure.
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Sampson: Yeah. So I think gooning is the intentional dumbing down or getting really into
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Sampson: this idea of being like a stupid, oftentimes porn addicted,
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Sampson: solo, sexual masturbator, where you are just getting really into this dumbed
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Sampson: down kind of hyper fixated headspace.
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Sampson: I think hyper fixation is, is a good word for it as well. A lot of people love
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Sampson: things like like popper trainers, which involve really quick flashing imagery.
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Sampson: Of course, pompers go kind of hand in hand with that with it's this kind of,
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Sampson: you know, quick high that you can get from.
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Sampson: You know, something poppers and feeling like that enhances your,
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Sampson: your fixation or your sexual experience.
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Sampson: Um, so I would say there's, you know, definitely a lot of aspects of,
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Sampson: of gooding that people feel like they identify more or, or less with.
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Sampson: But overall, I'd say that's kind of the, the encapsulation of,
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Sampson: of what it is, is this intentionally dumbing down.
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David: So this is basically ADHD hyperfixation applied to masturbation.
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Sampson: You got it.
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Buck: And we're back to all kink is just neurodivergence in a jacket.
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Sampson: We're back. It's three neurodivergences in a trench coat. Yeah. Pretending.
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Buck: Yeah. That seems to be becoming like an oval thesis of this whole show is all
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Buck: kink is just neurodivergence.
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Buck: And I love it. And, but yeah, like, it sounds like hyper-focus,
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Buck: but for masturbating and getting into the headspace of masturbating and watching porn.
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Buck: And yeah, it's, where should we begin like digging into this?
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Buck: Because the big thing I would like to know is like, gooning has kind of entered mainstream lexicon.
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Buck: Like, it's one of those things where it's escaped from the internet out into like normal world.
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Sampson: Yeah go.
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Buck: Be just like bimbofication
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Sampson: Lately be free oh god i cannot get enough of brian now getting fucking big busty bimbo blonde yes and.
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Buck: Serious news sources having to explain what bimbofication is
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Sampson: The best the best come
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Sampson: on npr tell me about it now i
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Sampson: think one of the interesting things with watching the yeah the
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Sampson: escape from these very niche spaces to the
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Sampson: greater consciousness has been I started engaging with
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Sampson: kind of the the hypno world in like
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Sampson: 2018 2019 and that was
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Sampson: when I first started kind of producing a
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Sampson: lot of the things that I feel like with my mindfuck brand that I'm more known
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Sampson: for which is like these kind of files and of course you know like any uh anybody
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Sampson: that works on any kind of creative work you kind of look back at some of your
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Sampson: earlier stuff and you're like huh you know because you you get better as you
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Sampson: learn as you learn more but I I really feel like at that time it was kind of in these deep,
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Sampson: dark corners of the internet that was not, you know, not commonly known about
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Sampson: people would stumble upon it and either find, Hey, this is really for me or
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Sampson: it's really not. And yeah.
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David: And are you talking about hypnosis or are you talking about gunning?
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Sampson: I think that there is significant overlap with the two. I think oftentimes hypnosis
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Sampson: is the vehicle that people use for this hyper fixation because it kind of lets
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Sampson: then block out everything else, right?
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Sampson: There's, there's different methods for doing that, but hypnosis is one of those
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Sampson: ways where you're kind of having somebody give you, um, express encouragement
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Sampson: and permission to block everything else out.
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Sampson: So then you can just kind of focus on this one sensation or the sense base of this feeling.
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Sampson: But I think that Gooning has kind of become like the butt of a lot of jokes
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Sampson: because it is objectively ridiculous.
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Sampson: And the thing that I like about saying that is I don't think I'm hurting any
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Sampson: Gooner's feelings by saying that it's weird and dumb because they it's almost
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Sampson: like a humiliation thing, too,
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Sampson: where they want to feel weird and dumb because it's one of the it's it's you're
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Sampson: making all kinds of stupid faces. You're like drooling on yourself.
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Sampson: You're often just trying to look as dumb as possible.
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Buck: Yeah. Yeah, it's taken the sort of, because we all have weird masturbation faces.
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Buck: It's kind of a thing. When you're masturbating, you're not concentrating on
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Buck: your facial expressions, and people will often pull weird facial expressions.
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Buck: And gooners kind of deliberately lean into that and sort of act out and put
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Buck: on this really extended affect.
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Buck: It's like a lot of people will cross their eyes if they can,
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Buck: stick the big tongue out.
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Buck: And yeah.
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David: Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
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Buck: And it is like.
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David: Although actually I remember hearing somewhere from someone that this whole
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David: idea of sticking your tongue out, this wasn't related to gooning.
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David: This was specifically related to like poppers and popper
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David: training that he was saying that there was
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David: some like biological chemical reaction that when your body got this like huff
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David: of chemicals that you would try to like open your mouth to get extra air and
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David: that resulted in your tongue coming out i don't know if that is true at all
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David: but that could be related to this huh
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Sampson: See there there's so many things in the kink world that I would love to have
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Sampson: scientific studies on that will never happen.
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Buck: It would be,
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Sampson: I would like to think at some point somewhere in many, many years from now where,
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Sampson: you know, I would like to know more about how our brains work,
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Sampson: but, um, but yeah, for now, I think all we can kind of do is speculate.
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Sampson: And with the other aspect of, of both hypnosis and, and gooning,
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Sampson: and actually this kind of crosses over with himbo or bimbofication as well,
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Sampson: is this aspect because I think the things that those share is oftentimes this
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Sampson: kind of dumbing down or like slowing down your thoughts.
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Sampson: This is something that I was thinking about this morning as I was preparing
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Sampson: for talk about this today is there is a really deep vulnerability that comes
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Sampson: along with intentionally dumbing yourself down, right?
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Sampson: I think it's putting yourself into kind of a whatever engaging situation with
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Sampson: somebody else while you are intentionally dumbed down.
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Sampson: Is just inherently vulnerable because you think about you going into the world, you're out and about.
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Sampson: If you are, you know, a dumb person, you can get, you can get pickpocketed,
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Sampson: you can get taken advantage of, you can get, you know, there's a lot of bad
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Sampson: things that can happen to someone who's, who's dumb out in the world.
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Sampson: And so opening up in that way with somebody one-on-one can inherently create
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Sampson: a really special connection because you are telling them, Hey,
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Sampson: I feel, I feel safe with you.
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Buck: Yeah, it really reflects that sort of preparedness to let someone really into
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Buck: a very sensitive spot and you be very vulnerable with them.
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Buck: And it is often, we live in a society where lack of intelligence is the sort
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Buck: of main go-to insult before everything else.
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Buck: Calling someone stupid is the big thing. And people walk around with this fear
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Buck: all the time of not wanting to look stupid.
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Buck: It is one of the main things when you have like low self-esteem or struggle
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Buck: to express yourself, your fear is you think you will look stupid.
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David: And people have a way of eroticizing and sexualizing their fears.
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David: So that's something that was once terrifying becomes incredibly erotic,
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David: sometimes also still terrifying at the same time.
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Buck: Yeah, that push and pull of, I know this is, I'm putting air quotes here,
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Buck: bad and wrong, but also I'm finding it hot and sexy and that tension adds to the sexiness.
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David: Exactly.
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Sampson: So, yeah, I think that's kind of how a lot of maybe people stumble into gooning
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Sampson: is maybe through the hypno world or through that desire for vulnerability a little bit more.
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Sampson: I feel like, yeah, I kind of started engaging with it and found very quickly
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Sampson: that there is a lot of kind of community around it on different social media sites.
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Sampson: People, you know, part of it, I think too, is like this exposure thing for
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Sampson: some people where they really like to show off
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Sampson: how dumb they are there's a very verbal aspect to it as well that people like
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Sampson: to kind of show off of them just like having a lot of people refer to it as
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Sampson: like beta babble where they're just like like just saying whatever first pops
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Sampson: into their head because they're so hyper fixated that they can't filter themselves.
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Buck: Oh yeah and
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Sampson: Yeah i think that's that's a.
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Buck: Yeah yeah and i know so we've actually recently just
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Buck: done an episode with nick who runs the uk beta bro
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Buck: clubs talking about baiting as a culture and it
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Buck: does have that self-feeding thing of when you are on
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Buck: cam or in a room with people going through
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Buck: the same experiences motions performances feelings
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Buck: like it becomes this feedback loop of you are seeing everyone else in the same
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Buck: headspace and that is feeding into your headspace and like i know like encouraging
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Buck: gooning is a topic i I think we're putting an opinion for now, but.
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Buck: I'm very fascinated by that the whole thing of communities like people encouraging
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Buck: each other to get into the goon head space and one thing i love is that i think there's a forum where
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Buck: people posting pictures of their goon caves which for
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Buck: people not aware of the lexicon is basically a
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Buck: space where you set up to have long-term masturbation sessions and people were
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Buck: doing it for like five or six computer screens set up so they can have several
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Buck: porn videos going at once you know like contactless lube dispensers like maybe
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Buck: elaborate setups and i love me a bit of home engineering
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Buck: so
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David: This is like yeah like
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Sampson: The bat cave except it's the bat cave but
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Sampson: add an extra e so it's the bait cave yeah perfect
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Sampson: no and as someone who recently got a
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Sampson: 3d printer i can confirm the the ease of which you know like a little bit of
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Sampson: home improvement yes drastically improved many different aspects of your life
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Sampson: yeah like i'm just gonna start a whole new line of 3d printable yeah like contactless
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Sampson: lube dispensers and yeah yeah bait cave accessories.
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Buck: That is brilliant put me down for lube warmer like lube warmer is great since
13:39
Buck: starting to use x lube a lot more like a lube warm was kind of becoming necessary.
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Sampson: Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense. No one likes getting slapped around with like
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Sampson: a cold handful of... No. That's not good.
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Buck: So we've touched on it a little. I would like to ask a bit more about your personal involvement with this.
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Buck: Like, what is it personally that really draws you to this?
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Buck: And how do you engage with it? Because you're both a content creator and you
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Buck: also do it from the other side?
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Sampson: Mm-hmm.
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Sampson: Yeah, I think that is one of the interesting things of the reason that I got
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Sampson: started with kind of being like a, like a gunner,
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Sampson: encourager or a, or hypno is all I did was notice that there was this gap in
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Sampson: specifically the like content that I wish existed that was pertaining to fisting,
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Sampson: especially because that's something that I really enjoy.
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Sampson: And I was like, why is there no combination of this, this cake guning or,
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Sampson: or, or hypno or whatever, you know, that, that is very verbally,
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Sampson: you know intense and why is there no overlap
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Sampson: of that with this other thing that i love and so all i did was start making
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Sampson: things that i wish that somebody would say to me and recording
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Sampson: that and people really started to respond to that and so
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Sampson: you found a hole and you filled up and now i've found many many many holes and
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Sampson: filled all of them excellent but uh yeah for me i think it's really helped in
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Sampson: acceptance with my own Denny sexuality as well,
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Sampson: with the understanding that nobody knows how to fuck me like I know how to fuck me.
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Sampson: And I think a lot of the time.
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Sampson: If I'm having kind of a sexual experience in my own personal life,
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Sampson: it feels like most of the time my partner is usually trying to extract a lot
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Sampson: of pleasure for themselves,
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Sampson: which is, you know, like there, there is no wrong way to go about to go about
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Sampson: like a, like a sexual encounter.
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Sampson: And sometimes that can be really hot. Sometimes if you want to be like a dom
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Sampson: sub, you're like, Hey, this is all about you.
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Sampson: I'm just, you know, you're, you're filthy sub dirty pig boy.
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Sampson: I just want to be in the cuck chair whatever like there's many there's many forms of that,
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Sampson: but for me i think what i found is i am very much more fulfilled by gooning playing with toys,
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Sampson: doing my own thing being alone than i have ever been with a sexual hookup ever oh that's.
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Buck: Interesting like for myself i'm also
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Buck: on the demisexual spectrum i'm kind
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Buck: of on the other the other end where i need a spark from someone else to get
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Buck: things going i tend to need a power dynamic at play and so to talk to you about
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Buck: like coming from the other end where like you're almost like demisexual in a
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Buck: solo sexual way is that what you'd describe it as
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Sampson: Yeah yeah and i mean i think the interesting thing is i'm still pretty young
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Sampson: and i'm learning new things about myself all the time,
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Sampson: but yeah, the, the recent revelation has been my absolute best hottest hookup
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Sampson: is still not as good as my worst scooting session from one of the, what I get out of it.
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David: Interesting.
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David: So I also want to ask, because you've talked about gooning as a solo activity,
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David: something that you really enjoy about doing by yourself in your bait cave,
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David: but you've also talked about like the gooning community and people showing off
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David: for each other and comparing and talking dirty to each other.
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David: So what is the community aspect of a fetish that is so apparently solo?
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Sampson: I think that the difference is it's the same way that I like to say that they
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Sampson: do have exhibitionist tendencies, but virtual,
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Sampson: not physical, because having a whole, you know, thousands of people look at
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Sampson: a video of you is a very different thing than being in the same room where they
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Sampson: can grab out and try to grope you,
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Sampson: touch you, interrupt you right up in your personal bubble because they're just,
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Sampson: you know, like, this is why I don't.
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Sampson: I mean, I, I own a sex venue here in SF and I try to put together like a really good consensual.
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Sampson: It's a highly cultivated group. It's like membership only for that reason,
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Sampson: because I think there's just such a bad etiquette most of the time with,
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Sampson: you know, some people make it very clear with their body language that they
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Sampson: do not want to be engaged with.
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Sampson: And that they're just like, Hey, it's just me and this guy right now or whatever.
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Sampson: And then inevitably someone else that is not getting the signals comes up and
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Sampson: is like encroaching on their space and touching them and whatever.
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Sampson: And yeah, I don't like that. I don't like, I like to be objectified in a lot
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Sampson: of ways, but not like that.
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Buck: Yeah. Objectified from a distance.
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Sampson: So I think that's maybe the, yeah, yeah. Like that's, that's the difference
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Sampson: is having a, having a screen between you and the person adds in a level of physical
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Sampson: safety to where it's like,
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Sampson: I'm not getting followed home from go-go gigs and having people bang on my door
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Sampson: and like, you know, beg me to come and like, they deserve to fuck me because
18:50
Sampson: they tipped me a dollar or whatever.
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Sampson: Right. Like, I don't like that. Like, it's why I've kind of taken a step back
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Sampson: from a lot of in-person things like that as well.
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David: Yeah but yeah so with with the gooning thing specifically it sounds like it
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David: sounds to me like there is a community but that the community is specifically
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David: virtual and not in person is
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Sampson: That correct i do think that there
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Sampson: are definitely guys that enjoy beating together in person right i think,
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Sampson: and this is where it's this interesting dichotomy of there's guys
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Sampson: who are really into this just for like they're
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Sampson: they're they're a side right like i love this new
19:30
Sampson: term like people are like oh i'm a top i'm a bottom i'm a side but i
19:34
Sampson: think having this new this new role kind of sheds
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Sampson: light on on that question because some guys like to have bait buddies where
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Sampson: they are baiting together or gooding together um but it is strictly hey you
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Sampson: are sitting over there and i am sitting over here and we're jerking off i'm
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Sampson: not touching you you're not touching me you're not trying to put your mouth on me anywhere,
19:55
Sampson: you're not trying to put your hole on me and vice versa.
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Sampson: Like this is strictly, I am invested in my own pleasure and you are invested in your own pleasure.
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Sampson: And if we can feed off of each other verbally from a distance or,
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Sampson: or visually, that's great.
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Sampson: Um, but at no point am I worried about, um, somebody coming in,
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Sampson: like invading my personal space and starting to do something that I don't want.
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David: Got it. So there are groups, there are communities, but it is very much individuals
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David: together rather than group dynamics, if that makes sense.
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Sampson: Yeah, I mean, one of the things I've been wanting to do is like put together
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Sampson: a like a gooning party here in SF at my at my venue.
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Sampson: But yeah, I think part of the appeal, at least for me, but again,
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Sampson: this is where my own personal kind of kinks come into play is like the fantasy
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Sampson: is like it's like a livestock barn with like, you know,
20:49
Sampson: 20 different like cattle press bondage chairs and every boy is in his own chair
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Sampson: and it's just like getting milked.
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Sampson: And that's that's it right so like you're feeding off the experience of being
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Sampson: in that experience with other people um and you're like being able to like look
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Sampson: at them and hear them and everything but you're not directly making physical
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Sampson: contact or engaging or or worried about yeah like somebody doing something you don't want.
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Buck: Cool uh can i get tickets the opening night of that event purely for research of course
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Sampson: Yeah see that's that's what the punch card for hosting 10 times gets yes you
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Sampson: get to get to the you get a ticket to the the premium seat at the gunner party.
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Buck: The business gooning lounge yes
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Sampson: A hundred percent first class lounge and.
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Buck: Yeah so i want
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Buck: to go back to that pin i put in earlier because we're
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Buck: talking about like community and the way people encourage each other
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Buck: because there seems to be two threads one
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Buck: is people just encouraging each other in a sort of neutral
21:52
Buck: to positive way in the sense
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Buck: of yes we're all gooning this is fun we're
21:57
Buck: all having fun together there is also a thread i find very common of it's almost
22:04
Buck: like a degradation humiliation kink sort of tie-in and it ties in with the concept of sex addiction which
22:17
Buck: for like a headliner i am not a medical doctor i'm not a psychologist generally
22:23
Buck: my understanding is sex addiction as an actual addiction has largely been disregarded
22:29
Buck: by most of the sort of healthcare community.
22:33
Buck: You can have a compulsive destructive compulsion but it is not an addiction
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Buck: as it has been portrayed in sort of common media.
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Sampson: Sure. Yeah. I think in the same way, as you were kind of saying earlier,
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Sampson: it could also be one of those things where when you're told that having this
22:56
Sampson: this thing that's portrayed as scary and bad and like, don't let this happen to you.
23:01
Sampson: Don't let your brain get fried on porn and you're going
23:04
Sampson: to have porn induced erectile dysfunction and you're
23:06
Sampson: not you're never even going to be able to have sex with the real person again because
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Sampson: you're just going to be jerking all day like that's uh
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Sampson: for some people is kind of frightening but it's
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Sampson: been reclaimed as this thing that's very fucking hot right it's like i think
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Sampson: that the preface for me as well as as someone who is an encourager i have in
23:25
Sampson: the past had to kind of dial back or cut contact or refer people to outside
23:31
Sampson: of like my scope of, you know, scope of practice of whatever.
23:35
Sampson: If I really feel like somebody who's getting really self-destructive,
23:38
Sampson: oftentimes you see that with the fin dom community.
23:41
Sampson: Sometimes you find that with again, like other compulsive kinks.
23:45
Sampson: Like, I mean, obviously I love, I've been very vocal. I love gainers.
23:48
Sampson: I'm a huge like gainer, you know, fetishist. And so if somebody is integrating
23:52
Sampson: like gooning and gaining together, but suddenly it becomes self-destructive,
23:55
Sampson: it's like, okay, Hey, we need to make sure that we're being good caretakers
23:59
Sampson: of this vessel that we're currently inhabiting.
24:01
Sampson: That is first and foremost, the most important thing.
24:04
Sampson: But beyond that, if you're, if you're doing, you know, well enough in life and
24:08
Sampson: you're getting along and you're, you just happen to have this kind of perversion
24:11
Sampson: or proclivity and it, it turns you on and you're able to still live a fulfilling life.
24:16
Sampson: And it just is this, I don't see why that's anybody's business,
24:19
Sampson: especially when it is so in you, in your own home, in your own thing,
24:23
Sampson: where you're only sharing with other people who were also directly into that thing.
24:26
Sampson: Like, in a lot of ways, I think it's actually morally superior to a lot of other
24:30
Sampson: gray area exhibitions of things. Like, I don't know.
24:35
Buck: Yeah, that's like, yeah, that's very, I totally see that.
24:40
Buck: It's very clearly that sort of, you have to walk the line of.
24:45
Buck: A lot of kinks have a self-destructive streak in the
24:48
Buck: fantasy aspects like for sure
24:51
Buck: you know i am deep into brainwashing as a
24:54
Buck: kink like you have to be careful of that
24:56
Buck: but i also think there's something else there which i find very fascinating
25:01
Buck: which is a lot of the time when you get into the sort of gooning videos that
25:05
Buck: really push the whole you are quote-unquote relapsing you can't help you're
25:11
Buck: going to ruin your life because you're just going to sit in your room and goon all day
25:16
Buck: there was a phrase that came up which is you're allowed to get worse and that
25:20
Buck: was a very light bulb moment for me and it's like oh there's something deeper
25:25
Buck: there because it's it's we live in a world where you're constantly having to
25:31
Buck: sort of self-improve and that's not a bad thing
25:34
Buck: but when you when you're in like you know
25:38
Buck: productivity culture protestant work ethic cultures constantly trying to having
25:44
Buck: to better yourself especially online where you're basically in a new panopticon
25:48
Buck: having permission to just crash out and almost like you're allowed to get worse,
25:57
Buck: has a very specific appeal which I can see people really gravitating towards in a fantasy space.
26:06
Sampson: Yeah. This is one of the things I think hypno can actually be very deeply healing
26:11
Sampson: for is this really express verbal permission affirmation.
26:20
Sampson: And it's, it's continuous. It's like every, cause usually you're just kind of
26:23
Sampson: listening to one person talk.
26:24
Sampson: And so it's like, listen, all you have to do is sit here and let yourself kind
26:28
Sampson: of go through the feelings that I'm going to kind of walk you through.
26:31
Sampson: And that can be really a wonderfully kind of safe, uh, reassuring,
26:37
Sampson: reaffirming feeling to even feel like somebody else can kind of read you like
26:41
Sampson: a book or be like, man, I can't believe someone else feels this way.
26:44
Sampson: Someone else is basically talking me through a fantasy that I was ashamed of
26:48
Sampson: in my own head that I've never told anybody.
26:50
Sampson: And they are now talking me through it as if it's the most normal thing in the world.
26:55
Sampson: And yeah, being, being allowed to enjoy that being allowed to cut yourself a
27:01
Sampson: little bit of slack and just be like, Hey, just take the night off, man.
27:04
Sampson: If this is, you know, like you'll, you'll go back to work tomorrow.
27:06
Sampson: It'll be fine. But like cut yourself some slack.
27:11
David: I've definitely noticed that in this culture that we live in of constantly needing
27:19
David: to show yourself off in the best possible light, constantly needing to impress people,
27:25
David: constantly needing to be extremely online all the time.
27:28
David: There's a lot of pressure that builds
27:31
David: up over time and having an opportunity to
27:34
David: just disconnect from all of that and
27:37
David: to just rest and to be your
27:40
David: imperfect to be your failing self at times can be such a relief and it sounds
27:48
David: like I mean hypnosis is one way of doing that gooning is another apparently
27:53
David: there are probably several fetishes and kinks out there that essentially amount to,
27:58
David: I don't need to be on in this moment.
28:02
Sampson: Yeah. Yeah. I really liked that. And in fact, that's a really good point because
28:06
Sampson: even just me being a little introspective, being like, huh,
28:10
Sampson: maybe that's what it boils down to for me to feel like gooning is always more
28:15
Sampson: safe in my own, my own company when there's nobody else around,
28:19
Sampson: because I don't have to be on.
28:22
Sampson: Like if I don't, I don't think I currently have filled out the video game personal
28:27
Sampson: skill tree of acquiring the skill of not being able to be on when somebody else is around someday.
28:34
Sampson: That's an aspirational goal. I don't have that yet. And so for now,
28:37
Sampson: in this chapter, in this phase, and I love thinking about our sexuality as this
28:42
Sampson: fluid thing that can change and morph and or, or our gender identity or anything, right?
28:47
Sampson: There is no reason to stay one way.
28:49
Sampson: Life is nothing about the natural world around us stays the same for very long.
28:54
Sampson: So I think we need to also be, you know, like, Hey, we, we're going to have
28:56
Sampson: different chapters and phases and grow into different versions of ourselves
28:59
Sampson: that are going to be new and interesting and different.
29:03
Sampson: Um, so I, I, I like that a lot of just the, I don't, I don't have to be on right now.
29:07
David: Yeah.
29:10
David: I like how we've gone from like this idea of gooning being like dumb and stupid
29:16
David: and in a way, almost humiliating to it being a way of like being this form of
29:22
David: personal growth and change and exploration.
29:25
David: Like those feels so different to me, but somehow linked.
29:29
Sampson: Yeah, for sure. I think one of the other things that I was, I was thinking about
29:33
Sampson: recently with the whole, there was that, that funny pig collar discourse.
29:37
Sampson: Do you guys hear about this like on on twitter or whatever or there's i.
29:41
David: Have heard nothing about this
29:42
Sampson: It was it's a nothing burger i was just doing an episode of what's the safe
29:45
Sampson: word about it where we were talking about it where it was just some like kind
29:48
Sampson: of internally homophobic gay being like,
29:50
Sampson: attention gaze wearing your nasty pig collar out
29:53
Sampson: at a nice restaurant is negative culture and like you're you're
29:56
Sampson: hurting how you know straight people perceive us or whatever and i'm like okay
29:59
Sampson: girl come on yeah chill relax and one of the things that i was kind of thinking
30:05
Sampson: about that is it's it's a lot easier to live an unexamined life it's the the
30:11
Sampson: strawberry fields forever thing
30:12
Sampson: like living is easy with eyes closed and i think that's why i'm drawn to,
30:17
Sampson: kinky people in general because it's much more clear that they are living a
30:22
Sampson: more closely personally examined life where they have thought about these things
30:27
Sampson: right where they have been like this is what turns me on this is why and i am
30:32
Sampson: okay with certain aspects of myself that,
30:36
Sampson: it's not like they don't exist in other people.
30:39
Sampson: It's just that other people aren't willing to kind of do the heavy lifting internally
30:43
Sampson: to become okay with themselves.
30:47
Buck: Yeah.
30:49
David: And why is it that the kinks that involve dumbing down in some capacity are
30:55
David: always the most enjoyed by the people who seem to be the most intelligent,
30:59
David: the most skilled? That is just the way.
31:01
Buck: It's because it's a way to get away from chronic overthinking.
31:04
Buck: Like, nothing produces people with a himbo fetish faster than going through higher education.
31:12
Sampson: Oh yeah oh yeah it's i mean there's marilyn monroe in gentlemen prefer blondes
31:17
Sampson: she's like i can be smart when it's important but most men don't like it very much you know.
31:22
David: So i feel like i have to ask them like with all of this hypno play and gooning
31:28
David: play and and these fetishes that involve intentional dumbing down have you seen
31:35
David: any sort of impact in that in your everyday life outside of these gooning sessions.
31:42
Sampson: Impact like, like any way, maybe like need a little bit more clarification, I guess.
31:47
Sampson: Like, do you mean just noticing like symptoms of that as a, as things that are.
31:51
David: Yeah. I mean, like the fantasy, right?
31:54
David: The fantasy is that you're going to quote, ruin your life by doing all this
32:00
David: gooning and you're going to be so dumb and so worthless and so addicted to masturbation,
32:05
David: that you won't have any brain power left to do anything that you need to do
32:09
David: in your life. That's the fantasy.
32:11
David: I guess what I'm asking is, have you noticed any truth in that?
32:16
Sampson: You know, the first thing that comes to mind is actually something that happened
32:18
Sampson: literally yesterday, which is I.
32:22
Sampson: Like making some food i was making some eggs i put an egg on my counter and
32:27
Sampson: then walked away and don't you know the egg rolls off falls on the ground and
32:30
Sampson: like explodes and i'm like the the first knee-jerk reaction that i had in my
32:35
Sampson: head was like oh baby like samson.
32:38
Sampson: Oh you're so you're so dumb you'll clean it up right like it's the first knee-jerk
32:44
Sampson: where in the past i've been extremely highly wound and self-critical and i actually think that the
32:52
Sampson: effects that I have noticed from engaging with this sort of thing are actually
32:58
Sampson: much more positive and fully realized outside of, you know,
33:03
Sampson: one specific gunning session where I think the greatest gift that you can give
33:07
Sampson: to yourself is being able to laugh at yourself.
33:10
Sampson: Like that skill will diffuse so much self-hatred, so much internalized homophobia,
33:17
Sampson: so much religious trauma, things that I think as queer people,
33:20
Sampson: we all kind of, kind of fight against and the moment that you can recognize self irony or.
33:28
Sampson: Almost kind of treat yourself like a dumbed down him, though, right?
33:32
Sampson: Yeah, just feel fake or, or, or like, like, uh, I mean, even I think pup play
33:36
Sampson: or the ABDL community kind of falls into this where it's being treated as this
33:40
Sampson: kind of like silly, playful, but sometimes a little bit dumb thing, right?
33:46
Sampson: Like sometimes when you make a mistake, all you want is like,
33:49
Sampson: like a big dom to just be like, oh, you're so stupid. It's okay.
33:53
Sampson: Let's get you cleaned up. Right? Like, so becoming that for yourself is, uh, pretty magic.
34:00
Buck: Yeah.
34:01
David: So what I'm hearing then is, yes, this does affect your mindset,
34:07
David: even outside of gooning,
34:08
David: but not really in the sense of actually being dumber, but more in the sense
34:14
David: of having more forgiveness for your own mistakes.
34:18
Sampson: Yeah. I think I'm, I'm the same amount dumb as I have ever been.
34:21
Sampson: Right. I don't, I don't think that that's ever really changed.
34:24
Sampson: I don't think even certain compulsions for me personally, like that's never
34:29
Sampson: been something that I've really
34:30
Sampson: felt like, Oh God, it's been two hours and I haven't looked at porn.
34:33
Sampson: I need to be like, that's not, that's just never, that's never been it for me.
34:38
Sampson: There's again, there's dry spells where it's like, I'll go like weeks and weeks
34:41
Sampson: and weeks without, you know, doing anything.
34:43
Sampson: And I would venture to say, again, I don't know everyone.
34:49
Sampson: I don't speak for the whole good in community, but I would venture to say that
34:52
Sampson: a lot of people kind of feel that way or even in the, in the,
34:55
Sampson: in the broader kind of kinky community, because the, the fantasy is not often
34:59
Sampson: the reality, like we were saying, right.
35:01
Sampson: Just because you are into pup play, for example,
35:05
Sampson: doesn't mean that you would be a hundred percent fulfilled if you were a dog
35:09
Sampson: 24 seven all the time i'm sure there's some people that would love that but
35:12
Sampson: i think most of us like it in smaller doses and i think gunning is no different.
35:17
Buck: Okay so we're finding balance within what works for our mind and yeah this touches
35:25
Buck: on a narrative i see over and over again in kink in general like i see a lot
35:29
Buck: of subs when they get the right dom actually really start to grow as people Like they get pushed,
35:36
Buck: but in a way where they're like gently supported and you really see that coming through and it,
35:44
Buck: it is this wider thing of giving yourself space to engage with the parts of
35:51
Buck: yourself you'd rather turn away from or feel ashamed about and being able to
35:57
Buck: essentially sort of be kind to yourself.
36:02
Buck: Which I think is really at the root of being kinder to yourself.
36:06
Sampson: Yeah. I think this is where a lot of the kind of power from things that we all
36:12
Sampson: know are good for us, but we don't often have the personal wherewithal to do
36:18
Sampson: for ourselves without the accountability.
36:20
Sampson: Things like journaling, things like meditation, things like making sure that
36:24
Sampson: we are drinking enough water, things like getting enough sleep.
36:27
Sampson: It's been fun as I have recently become certified as a NASM personal trainer
36:32
Sampson: as well to kind of go into these different. Yeah.
36:35
Sampson: Yeah. I would, that was recent. It was really exciting going into these different
36:38
Sampson: kind of mindset evaluations of differences between intrinsic versus extrinsic
36:43
Sampson: motivation and how that kind of power play very much applies to, yeah,
36:48
Sampson: making ourselves grow in certain kink relationships.
36:50
Sampson: It's like, if you tell yourself, I'm going to wake up at 6.00 AM and I'm going
36:54
Sampson: to go run a 5k tomorrow and whatever your alarm goes off. It's like suddenly
36:58
Sampson: the blanket monster is like.
36:59
Buck: No.
37:00
Sampson: Yeah, not getting up to date, but if you have a Dom who you really care about,
37:05
Sampson: he's like, you're going to put on your cage, you're going to put on,
37:08
Sampson: you're going to put your plug in and you're going to meet me at the gym at 6am
37:11
Sampson: and you better be on time.
37:12
Sampson: And you're going to bring me a coffee, you know, then suddenly the sub brain
37:16
Sampson: is like, oh, well, he can't be without his coffee. I would feel so, you know, hey.
37:21
Sampson: It's about kind of leveraging that as a dominant being like making them kind
37:24
Sampson: of feel like, you know, like don't disappoint me, but in your head,
37:29
Sampson: you're kind of like, it's, it's okay if you disappoint me, right?
37:31
Sampson: Like it's fine. This is more, this is more for them.
37:33
Sampson: This whole setup that I've created is always going to be more about that than it is about me.
37:40
David: That is so beautifully wholesome. And I also love the idea of you ordering a sub to show up at the gym.
37:47
Sampson: Oh, it's my favorite thing. It's my favorite thing. the best is when subs are
37:50
Sampson: super sweaty and so they have like sweaty butt crack and they like sit down
37:54
Sampson: on the leg press machine and they stand up and there's a perfect indentation,
37:57
Sampson: and of their sweat with like a plug into their.
38:02
David: Amazing.
38:04
Sampson: The best ever. No, I love, I love person training.
38:07
Buck: Yeah.
38:08
Sampson: Especially when it overlaps into the, into the kink world.
38:10
Buck: Yeah. I'm not surprised you two. God bless you for doing that.
38:14
Buck: I'm not surprised you two connect over that.
38:18
Sampson: Yeah.
38:18
Buck: And yeah, when you were describing that, I was like, okay, I'm feeling called
38:22
Buck: out because I have had major progress at the gym since David has collared me
38:28
Buck: and it is now part of my duties to work out every day.
38:34
Buck: Yes, and thank you. Welcome.
38:36
Sampson: Yeah. Yeah, no, it's a great feeling. I mean, even just for,
38:40
Sampson: uh, smaller tasks, or even if it's not, um,
38:44
Sampson: specifically gym related, which that is fun to be like, oh yeah,
38:47
Sampson: like I'm exhibiting, uh, you know, uh, obedience and traits and characteristics
38:52
Sampson: that, uh, that my Dom likes.
38:54
Sampson: I think, um, anything like that, I've seen amazing relationships where like
38:59
Sampson: a sub is just feeling really overwhelmed with life in general and they get into
39:04
Sampson: a relationship and suddenly their dom is like, okay, well,
39:07
Sampson: I would like you to, you know,
39:10
Sampson: spend 15 minutes cleaning your room today.
39:12
Sampson: And maybe this week, one of your tasks is to like submit one job application or whatever.
39:17
Sampson: It's like these kind of small incremental steps. And then suddenly it's like,
39:21
Sampson: oh yeah. like this is leading somebody into a better version of themselves i'm.
39:26
David: Sure i wouldn't know anything about that
39:28
Sampson: And using gooning getting better by getting worse yes.
39:35
Buck: That's the good title of a self-help novel novel there you go
39:39
Sampson: Getting better yeah getting getting better by getting worse a memoir by mindfuck
39:44
Sampson: oh i am curious between between the two of you,
39:50
Sampson: because it sounds like a lot of the specific vocabulary that we're using in
39:56
Sampson: terms of like hypnosis as a concept, gooning as a concept.
40:00
Sampson: I do think that there's a lot of Venn diagram.
40:04
Sampson: In my own mind, a lot of those things are very similar, but I'm curious between
40:08
Sampson: the two of you, as two people who have self-described, not feeling as much like
40:12
Sampson: you've engaged with gooning in the past,
40:14
Sampson: what in your mind are kind of the exclusive sort of differences between those things?
40:22
David: Oh, that's an interesting question. And for me, I think, I mean,
40:31
David: I, as I said at the beginning, I didn't really know that much about this particular fetish.
40:36
David: I had heard of it, but it was even to the point of, I didn't really know exactly what it was.
40:42
David: And now I feel like I have a, a much better understanding of it.
40:46
David: I would say that I don't feel any sort of draw towards the sort of like solo
40:55
David: sexual thing that you describe of wanting to spend a long time masturbating
41:02
David: and masturbating with other people,
41:03
David: but specifically separate from them.
41:05
David: Personally, I really enjoy directly interacting with other people,
41:10
David: having that sense of touch, that physical connection with other people.
41:13
David: That is something that brings me a lot of both energy and sexual pleasure.
41:19
David: So that's not something that I would want to give up.
41:23
David: But I do totally see how that hyperfocus can be very sexual, very pleasurable,
41:32
David: and very satisfying, especially in terms of you giving your body what it wants
41:38
David: and what it's asking for.
41:40
David: So, I'm not sure I would say that I have been divorced from Gooning,
41:47
David: that I have intentionally pushed myself away from it.
41:50
David: I think it's more that I haven't been exposed to this idea very much.
41:54
David: And now that I know more about it, I understand the appeal, even though I don't
41:59
David: think I personally share it.
42:01
Buck: Yeah, for me it's been interesting, because when I was first asked about this by a friend,
42:06
Buck: they were quite surprised i had no interest because
42:09
Buck: for them they instantly saw the overlaps between
42:13
Buck: hypnosis and gooning as this
42:15
Buck: sort of altered headspace and they were quite surprised i didn't
42:19
Buck: feel any connection to it a lot of it is
42:22
Buck: around the aesthetics like my first
42:24
Buck: introduction was people making the like sticky out
42:27
Buck: tongue boss-eyed faces and also
42:31
Buck: as a demisexual like on that
42:34
Buck: denisexual spectrum generally porn
42:37
Buck: by itself does nothing for me there's no catalyst there
42:41
Buck: i as i've said earlier i feel
42:44
Buck: i do kind of need a power power
42:48
Buck: dynamic at play or a larger sort of you know
42:51
Buck: i don't just do porn i like concepts i
42:55
Buck: like story paths what's the arc here but I
42:59
Buck: am realizing something in real time master may I talk
43:02
Buck: about something you've been doing with me for a
43:05
Buck: long while absolutely so part
43:08
Buck: of my long-term sort of brainwashing and conditioning with master is when I'm
43:13
Buck: speaking one-on-one with him I basically can't help but play with myself I just
43:20
Buck: looking at him and talking with him gets me really horny and like I just keep
43:26
Buck: playing with myself and I've realized
43:29
Buck: That's gooning i'm just gooning to master oh
43:34
Sampson: Yeah a hundred percent it.
43:36
Buck: Is seeing you and talking with you is basically making me too horny to function properly
43:44
Sampson: Yeah maybe that's another another good definition of going is like too horny
43:48
Sampson: to function right and the kind of concept of being like,
43:54
Sampson: feeling feeling like broken by porn or feeling like you know like oh i've been you know like,
44:00
Sampson: ruined or porn is destroying me or like or a lot of people have like these hyper
44:05
Sampson: fixations on like certain body parts or they have like their favorite like content
44:09
Sampson: creators that are like they have like really big bouncy like himbo bubble butts
44:13
Sampson: and they just like will scroll for hours and just be like drooling and be like
44:17
Sampson: ah you know that's totally gooning yeah.
44:19
Buck: And i mean i know a lot of creators do it i've seen you do it where it is literally
44:24
Buck: the trigger for gooning isn't just generalized porn, it is, it is my ass,
44:29
Buck: I'm your dom, I'm your master,
44:31
Buck: you, like, I am telling you you're gooning and here is a picture of my ass to start you off.
44:37
Buck: Like, you will focus on goon to me.
44:42
Sampson: Yeah no i love that because yeah it's it's i've never really thought about that
44:44
Sampson: distinction as well with you know the personal personal gooning
44:48
Sampson: yeah keeping it pg personal gooning or kind
44:53
Sampson: of like global gooning right like like more
44:56
Sampson: uh just generalized oh here's here's different porn is just like different characteristics
45:01
Sampson: a lot of these trainers or like yeah gunner trainers will have specific kinks
45:07
Sampson: where it'll be like it's like all pecs or it's like all acids or all you know, all bellies or all,
45:14
Sampson: which is, is very fun to kind of see the different, but I think there is one
45:18
Sampson: content creator who I really, really like, um, who goes by personal Jesus master.
45:24
Sampson: I don't know if in the hip, in the hypno world, if either of you have ever heard
45:26
Sampson: of, but yeah, he does a lot of like hypno training stuff that is all photos
45:32
Sampson: and videos only of him, like in full gear, like full rubber.
45:37
Sampson: And it's really well produced. It's really well edited. the audio is good the
45:40
Sampson: video is good which i'm sure as both of you know is yeah a rarity.
45:46
Sampson: Like sometimes i think there's people who are completely like
45:49
Sampson: hypnosexual where anything to
45:52
Sampson: do with hypnosis is hot to them so like they can listen to like a like a soundcloud
45:57
Sampson: file that is like really bad audio i can hear the box fan in the background
46:01
Sampson: their cat keeps on running across their keyboard and i can hear it you know
46:04
Sampson: like that takes me out like i can't i can't do it But some people really love that, right?
46:10
Sampson: Like I always see comments on files like that, where people are like,
46:12
Sampson: this is so good. And I'm like, work, I love that.
46:16
Sampson: But then there's also like these highly produced, very time and labor intensive
46:20
Sampson: things, which is more kind of like what I try to make with my own stuff.
46:24
Sampson: And I think that also kind of can help drive the hyper fixation a little bit.
46:29
Sampson: Maybe that's the reason it takes me out when I am distracted,
46:32
Sampson: when there's a distracting element in a file, because it makes me not be able to focus.
46:37
Sampson: Right. And again, like with these, if we're talking about like ADHD,
46:40
Sampson: I have no formal diagnosis of, of ADHD, but I think, you know,
46:44
Sampson: everything is a spectrum.
46:48
Sampson: But yeah like having something in the background of a file to take you out versus
46:51
Sampson: like something that's so intentionally done it's different it's a different feeling oh.
46:55
Buck: Yeah and and like it is the more you learn
46:58
Buck: about production and i'm learning this the more you start seeing it like i recently
47:04
Buck: had an experience where uh for adam's birthday we sat down and all watched sinners
47:09
Buck: together and my first thought is oh my god this is a film with really good color grading
47:18
Sampson: Yeah yeah which i feel like is a rare thing i think it's a skill and professionalism is oftentimes,
47:26
Sampson: just disguised as organization of the
47:28
Sampson: non-obvious so people doing really amazing things
47:31
Sampson: and making it look easy right like you go to cirque de
47:34
Sampson: soleil you see these acrobats like doing unbelievable and they just make
47:37
Sampson: it look so effortless so easy right like that's
47:40
Sampson: how you know they're a pro is they're doing a nearly impossible thing and just
47:42
Sampson: making it look easy yeah or like color grading right like someone spent frame
47:45
Sampson: by frame hundreds of hours making sure that everything is just right and yet
47:51
Sampson: here it is and it just looks like it's all you know perfect in the universe
47:54
Sampson: as part of this vibe that they're creating yeah.
47:58
Buck: And it is i mean going back to your
48:00
Buck: work your work is phenomenal like the
48:04
Buck: editing the amount you put into it like the structure set like both sound and
48:10
Buck: like how you arrange all the images like yours has to actually be some of the
48:16
Buck: most highly produced sort of hypno videos and gooning videos i've come across
48:24
Sampson: That makes me so happy. No, I think that, yeah, there's, there's a couple other
48:28
Sampson: people that come to mind that do similar things.
48:32
Sampson: The other thing that I find also is going back to this, like using the language
48:36
Sampson: around addiction, the language around like getting, getting ruined.
48:40
Sampson: I think one of the, one of the helpful things is I do feel like I have several
48:44
Sampson: different kind of sides of myself. Jonah Wheeler talks about this.
48:47
Sampson: He's one of my also favorite creators where he talks about himself as like,
48:51
Sampson: uh, like as a chess piece where he's never a different shape,
48:55
Sampson: but you might be able to turn it and to see a different side.
48:58
Sampson: And so I might have this one, you know, seeing me from a certain angle and it's
49:02
Sampson: like very hot, heavy hypno, like you're, you're such a porn addicted,
49:06
Sampson: little gunner, and you can't help but try to compulsively masturbate,
49:09
Sampson: even though you're locked up all these things. Right.
49:11
Sampson: And then there's also this other side of me, which is like really playful on
49:14
Sampson: the what's the safe word side or, you know, like there's other content that
49:17
Sampson: I make in both of those are Sampson.
49:19
Sampson: Both of those are, you know, the same, the same person.
49:21
Sampson: And I think what some people struggle with is.
49:26
Sampson: There are kind of those really toxic hypno doms out there that might have really
49:30
Sampson: good produced stuff, but there is no, there is no other side.
49:35
Sampson: There is no release to feel like this person actually does really have my best
49:39
Sampson: interest at heart, or this is a normal person that is engaging this,
49:44
Sampson: you know, as part of their life, but not their entire life.
49:46
Sampson: And I get it sometimes social media, like you said, having us,
49:50
Sampson: you know, needing to be on all the time makes us feel like we're less of a person,
49:56
Sampson: more of a brand and that brand needs to be consistent.
49:59
Sampson: But yeah, I think the more important thing, especially for me to feel safe to
50:03
Sampson: get into that vulnerable and stupid state is to know that somebody is,
50:07
Sampson: I don't know, that there's more to them and that, you know, if,
50:10
Sampson: if something starts going sideways,
50:12
Sampson: that they are, they're able to safely de-escalate or or you know see warning
50:17
Sampson: signs or never push somebody into something that they don't actually want to do.
50:21
Buck: Oh yeah like a lot of people and this goes
50:24
Buck: to all power dynamic king a lot
50:27
Buck: of people think they want the 24 7 total
50:30
Buck: dom never switched off you learn
50:35
Buck: how exhausting and impossible that is really quickly
50:38
Buck: if you ever get to do it you need like
50:41
Buck: people have the best relationships when they know how to
50:44
Buck: like dial it down and you know
50:47
Buck: be multifaceted people in all
50:50
Buck: aspects of their lives and for me it makes
50:52
Buck: it the funnest thing where i am talking some of the like
50:56
Buck: hottest doms are
50:58
Buck: people who are very kind and sincere and empathetic and wonderful friends and
51:06
Buck: that and you know then they can just turn on that mean streak when it's appropriate
51:11
Buck: and that in itself is an incredible turn on to me yeah
51:16
David: And once again i'm sure i have no idea what you're talking about
51:22
Sampson: Yeah even with gooning i look at that too it's like having somebody be a like a,
51:26
Sampson: feelingly normal functional person that is just a filthy fucking drooling goonie pervert,
51:33
Sampson: it's almost like the having them have that normal side of themselves and watching
51:38
Sampson: them self-destruct into this like completely like on non-functional like porny
51:45
Sampson: stinky dom gunner boy That's what gives it contrast to make it hot, right?
51:52
Sampson: Like I think brats are a good example of this. Himbos are a good example of this.
51:55
Sampson: It's fun if it's like in the moment,
51:59
Sampson: but if you've ever dated somebody that is genuinely like fucking stupid,
52:04
Sampson: it's really hard to have a long-term friendship or relationship or dynamic with
52:09
Sampson: someone who's like a real true himbo unironically doesn't know it.
52:13
Sampson: And that's why I think you were saying a lot of the himbos or the dumbing down,
52:18
Sampson: they're often the most intelligent people, right?
52:21
Sampson: And I think it's the contrast. That's why it works.
52:25
Buck: Yeah. I mean, we've done an episode on himbos and we got into a whole discussion
52:30
Buck: of what is intelligence and what do we mean by dumb.
52:33
Buck: And a lot of the time what we actually mean with imbos
52:36
Buck: is they're sort of not thinking
52:40
Buck: deeply and just unconcerned but that doesn't
52:43
Buck: mean they can't pick up on things they are often like it that thing would be
52:46
Buck: emotionally intelligent and you know you can be really book smart but you can
52:50
Buck: also just be a bit go with the flow and not really observe paying too much attention
52:57
Buck: to world around you and that tends to be that sweet we
53:01
Sampson: Call that um yeah i believe we call that unbothered moisturized in my lane thriving yes,
53:11
Sampson: No bra, no panties, no cares of the world.
53:15
Buck: No thoughts, just vibes.
53:17
Sampson: No thoughts. Yeah. Head empty.
53:19
Buck: Which again, goes about a good description of Goonie.
53:23
Sampson: Yep.
53:23
Buck: It's all about the vibe.
53:25
Sampson: The follow-up, the follow-up memoir.
53:28
Buck: No thoughts.
53:31
David: For a Gooner, you sure are writing a
53:32
Sampson: Lot of memoirs. No, I have a 3D printed keyboard that is also a flashlight so I can type while I fap.
53:39
David: Of course you
53:41
Sampson: Do i need i need to design that product that should that should be real i.
53:45
Buck: Mean i've seen the fleshlights that are also like phone holders so you can literally
53:49
Buck: type with your thumbs while jacking off which
53:52
Sampson: Oh there's a great one that i saw recently which was somebody made a flesh jack
53:57
Sampson: that had a gyroscopic sensor on the inside and so he hooked it up as a game
54:02
Sampson: controller so that you could use it to play galga where you would like tip it
54:07
Sampson: left and right on your dick to aim or to like move the ship left and right.
54:10
Sampson: And then you would like jack, you would pump to shoot.
54:14
Sampson: Fantastic. That, that is, that is gooner coded. Like that is the,
54:18
Sampson: the stupidity and the, the humor of sexuality.
54:22
Sampson: I feel like is, is, is gooning. That is gooner coded. Like just.
54:26
Buck: Yeah. Yeah. And that's amazing. I need to get that set up and play,
54:30
Buck: uh, what was it? Strange flesh.
54:35
Sampson: Oh my god strange flesh is so good yes it's so good like.
54:40
Buck: We at some point should do an episode on kinky video games because you've got
54:45
Buck: strange flesh you've got what what's the inflation and more one tribal hunter
54:49
Sampson: Tribal hunter you've got memory leak yes it's like the furry hypno memory leak
54:54
Sampson: is so good they just came out with like a uh an update as well yes there's some
54:58
Sampson: really good ones and it's it's people are deep yeah horny brain can do anything yeah.
55:03
Buck: I mean this this touches on what we're talking about earlier like with the gym
55:07
Buck: motivation like making things sexy and using horny as motivation is powerful
55:13
Buck: like the advertising industry discovered that years ago absolutely
55:17
Sampson: Yeah yeah yeah well i think that's a lot of chassity boys have i've learned
55:21
Sampson: that really early on as well as that's a motivating factor for a lot of them
55:24
Sampson: i think a lot of the time too being a content creator that is that is part of
55:29
Sampson: it in there's so much that is not sexy about,
55:34
Sampson: doing content or whatever or do it like right like me spending you know some
55:39
Sampson: of my trainers upwards of like 50 or 60 hours of like writing recording layering
55:44
Sampson: producing sound cancellation and then plugging it into doing all the video aspect
55:48
Sampson: and then tightening it up and changing things.
55:52
Sampson: I, yeah, I almost think that maybe that's a part of a, an aspect of gooning
55:56
Sampson: as well as claiming sexuality as a, as like a constant force in your life,
56:03
Sampson: as something that's always there and knowing how to channel that versus,
56:08
Sampson: like, oh, I'm just going to jack off for three minutes and come and be done.
56:12
Buck: Yeah, because I mean, I mean, that gets into a whole other thing of like making time to relax.
56:21
Buck: And we live in a world where we often don't have time to do stuff. And I'm guilty of this.
56:27
Buck: I get into situations where I do like a three minute jack off before bed to sleep better.
56:32
Buck: And that's it. And it becomes very functional and in a lot of ways quite dull.
56:37
Sampson: Yeah. see this is this is the again the one of the next levels of my personal
56:43
Sampson: skill tree is making time to relax i am very very very bad at that because i'm
56:49
Sampson: like if i'm not being productive everything's gonna fall apart yeah.
56:53
Buck: It is so hard like i still struggle with it the thing i found helps most
56:57
Buck: is to try and get into the mindset of relaxation is a task it is a job to be
57:03
Buck: done and you have to plan for it and make time for it because it is a job
57:08
Sampson: Yeah and
57:11
Sampson: if you are not doing well enough at that job then you know the the relaxation
57:17
Sampson: time you can stress relaxation time will choose you right it's like it's like
57:21
Sampson: preventative maintenance if you don't perform preventative maintenance don't
57:24
Sampson: worry it'll schedule itself like it'll just happen at an inconvenient time,
57:33
Sampson: So
57:34
Buck: We're coming up to an hour, and I think we've covered a lot.
57:37
Buck: Is there anything else you would like to talk about about this? Or plug in general?
57:44
Sampson: I think there's a lot of other things that I'd like to plug.
57:48
Sampson: Including that's really, that's no, that's, that's, that's it. Yeah.
57:51
Sampson: Yeah. No, I would say if you're, if you're curious about gooning,
57:53
Sampson: I would say check out, there's a lot of really good resources.
57:55
Sampson: There's all kinds of stuff popping up more and more often.
57:58
Sampson: I would say be kind to people who are, you know, who are into things or who,
58:01
Sampson: you know, admit to being into things as long as they're not hypocritical assholes
58:05
Sampson: that are married to the former department of Homeland security.
58:07
Sampson: I would say to make fun of them, bully them mercilessly. but
58:11
Sampson: yeah like I think bait world is another one that people really really
58:14
Sampson: enjoy I haven't spent too much time on it but they seem like
58:17
Sampson: they've created something that a lot of people really like maybe check out that
58:19
Sampson: um yeah there's there's hypno videos everywhere there's gooning trainers everywhere
58:24
Sampson: so I'd say if you're curious about it like yeah schedule some time to relax
58:28
Sampson: and schedule some time to be like hey I'm gonna try something new tonight alone
58:32
Sampson: and it might be kind of weird,
58:34
Sampson: but I'm going to just kind of go for the ride and see if I enjoy it.
58:40
Sampson: There's nothing, there's nothing to lose.
58:41
Sampson: It's just me. No, one's going to laugh at me. No, one's going to see me like,
58:44
Sampson: yeah, just try something new.
58:49
David: Also samson you mentioned that you had this venue in san francisco do you want to plug
58:53
Sampson: That yeah yeah so this venue is called offline and you
58:56
Sampson: can check out the easiest way to get a hold of us is our instagram it's at
58:59
Sampson: offline club sf uh send us a dm we
59:02
Sampson: have an application process and then we're looking at potentially expanding
59:05
Sampson: in the next year which is exciting and moving to a new venue which will be larger
59:08
Sampson: and might have um some different like kind of more bathhousey elements we're
59:13
Sampson: still i'm trying to get through permitting hell right now with the city of san
59:16
Sampson: francisco which is a lot but maybe I'll finally don't.
59:20
David: Forget about that.
59:21
Sampson: Thank you. You read my mind. Yeah.
59:23
Sampson: Yeah. I was like, I'm trying to get my permits for my cattle presence.
59:28
David: Yes.
59:31
Buck: Nice. Well, as always, it's been a pleasure. You're always fantastic to have
59:35
Buck: on like you can talk about subjects so well.
59:40
Sampson: Thank you. Thank you. And no, thank you so much for having me.
59:43
Sampson: I always, always lifting on always love talking to you guys.
59:46
Buck: Of course. You're welcome back any time. And yeah, as always, listeners, play safe.
59:52
Buck: And I'm also going to say, take some time out and go goon. Good night.
1:00:00
Buck: I just need to cover. There we go.