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Toward individualistic reproduction: Solving the fertility crisis · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: And we're live. Hello everybody, and welcome to Honey Badger Radio.
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  Speaker 1: My name is Brian. I'm here with Allison, and this
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  Speaker 1: is maintaining frame we're gonna be talking about toward individualistic reproduction.
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  Speaker 1: Solving the fertility crisis could require a further marginalization of men.
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  Speaker 1: It's a paper from Cambridge University Press, like a what
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  Speaker 1: is this like a scientific study?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, what it does is it looks at the
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  Speaker 2: difference between stated fertility, which is above replacement. So women
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  Speaker 2: generally state that they want to have two point four
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  Speaker 2: children and then they end up having one point four
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  Speaker 2: and so you're looking at this gap and they're saying,
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  Speaker 2: why does this gap exist? Well, obviously it's because of men.
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  Speaker 2: Let's blame men. Men aren't doing something, or they are
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  Speaker 2: doing something. But let's let's just do that. Let's just
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  Speaker 2: do this the standard maneuver, because that's works so well
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  Speaker 2: in creating the crisis in the first place. So let's
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  Speaker 2: just apply more. The fire has grown large and is
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  Speaker 2: threatening to consume our entire species, let us put more
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  Speaker 2: gasoline upon it. Surely that will put it out that
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  Speaker 2: that always worked in the past to increase the rate
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  Speaker 2: of burn. But Surely this time it will work. You Yeah, exactly,
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  Speaker 2: just drown the fire. Just you know, putting ghastly on
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  Speaker 2: the fire made it bigger. But surely if we put more,
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  Speaker 2: it eventually will drown it out and then we won't
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  Speaker 2: have any more fire and everything will be salved. And
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  Speaker 2: you know, because you know why they make these mistakes,
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  Speaker 2: because there all of their solutions land on blame men.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, like everyone's chart with one direction on it, it
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  Speaker 1: happens blame men.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly if the problem is blaming men, blame men's
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  Speaker 2: some more. Yeah, everything goes to that point always. I
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  Speaker 2: think anybody who's watched as long enough has seen how
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  Speaker 2: many times we've pointed this out. It is across the
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  Speaker 2: institutional spectrum. Everything lands on this everything, and you know,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, there there's a there's maybe a reason for
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  Speaker 2: it beyond the ideological because generally, when you have a problem,
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  Speaker 2: it's you you do have to have men solve it
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  Speaker 2: or men you generally are the ones who do solve it.
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  Speaker 2: So okay, But in this case, it's like it is
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  Speaker 2: it is uh yeah, it's just it's just the eternal
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  Speaker 2: maneuver that never ends, and we never consider doing something else.
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  Speaker 2: Aside from it, except here here, on this this venerable channel,
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  Speaker 2: where we discuss the things that nobody it apparently, can
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  Speaker 2: even conceive of or allow enter a single memo upon
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  Speaker 2: their desk, which is, you know, maybe let's not blame men,
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  Speaker 2: and in fact, let's consider blaming the group of people
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  Speaker 2: that explicitly said they wanted to destroy human reproduction and
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  Speaker 2: then proceeded to do so. Like, could we just like
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  Speaker 2: maybe take a look at them and see if they
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  Speaker 2: might be a little bit culpable in all of this,
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  Speaker 2: you know, like literally, we had a gigantic ideology that
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  Speaker 2: said heterosexuality is the site of women's oppression, let's kill it,
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  Speaker 2: and then subsequently our birth rates declined. Maybe there's a connection.
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  Speaker 2: Could we entertain the possibility? No, perish the thought. Let's
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  Speaker 2: blame men some more. Okay, all right, So that's what
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  Speaker 2: this paper does essentially, although it does correctly identify the
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  Speaker 2: gap between what women say they want in terms of
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  Speaker 2: children and what they actually end up having, which is
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  Speaker 2: interesting because that means there's a whole lot of unhappy
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  Speaker 2: women presumably if they're not getting what they want, and
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  Speaker 2: and our society has constructed that. So do you want
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  Speaker 2: me to read a summary. Oh right, yes, the things
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I can read the abstract and then yes.
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  Speaker 2: let's do the abstract.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so toward individualistic reproduction. Solving the fertility crisis could
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  Speaker 1: require a further marginalization of men. Published by the Cambridge
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  Speaker 1: University Press abstract. The cross national correlation between gender equality
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  Speaker 1: and lower fertility is exceptionally strong. After the nineteen sixties,
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  Speaker 1: a unique mating regime spread across parts of the world,
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  Speaker 1: with female emancipation, individual mate choice, and effective birth control,
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  Speaker 1: followed by a continuing rise in singlehood and declining fertility.
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  Speaker 1: Almost all women still want to reproduce, but many struggle
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  Speaker 1: to find a good enough partner. This article argues from
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  Speaker 1: an evolutionary perspective that many men's utility to free women
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  Speaker 1: has been so diminished that solving the fertility crisis by
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  Speaker 1: increasing pair bonding rates seems unfeasible. A viable means for
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  Speaker 1: aiding the survival of low fertility nations could be to
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  Speaker 1: provide women with the economic and social resources necessary for
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  Speaker 1: them to conclude that having children alone makes up for
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  Speaker 1: a better life than remaining childless. Such policies would likely
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  Speaker 1: exacerbate male marginalization, but new technologies are on the horizon
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  Speaker 1: that could offer men reproductive equality. So that's the summary.
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  Speaker 1: Do you guys need this rephrased so you guys know
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  Speaker 1: what it says in layman's terms. Well, essentially, they're they're
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  Speaker 1: saying that, so we did all this stuff for equality.
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  Speaker 1: Right now, you know, we have birth control, we have
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  Speaker 1: liberated women. We've given them the option of choosing their
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  Speaker 1: mate because you know, apparently historically they were just chained
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  Speaker 1: to a man. And well that's what the claim is. Though,
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  Speaker 1: I'm just ready and so like women have like we've
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  Speaker 1: finally done it. We've done it. We've liberated women. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: and now we're as we get more and more equality,
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  Speaker 1: people are having fewer kids. What's the problem. Well, apparently,
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  Speaker 1: despite the fact that almost all women want to reproduce,
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  Speaker 1: they can't find a partner that's good enough. So the
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  Speaker 1: men are the problem because they're not making enough money
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  Speaker 1: or they're not good enough for these liberated women. Now,
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  Speaker 1: and what the argument, the argument the article is going
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  Speaker 1: to make is that because the the the men, women
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  Speaker 1: are so free. Now that solving the problem by essentially
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  Speaker 1: like you know, increasing pair bonding, so like basically getting
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  Speaker 1: men and women to co like work together to build families.
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  Speaker 1: That's un that's undoable. We can't do it because the
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  Speaker 1: women don't want them. So instead, what we're gonna do
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  Speaker 1: is we're just going to give money more money to
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  Speaker 1: women because essentially they say, well, they if we if
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  Speaker 1: we give them enough economic and social resources, then they
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  Speaker 1: can just raise kids without men. So that this and
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  Speaker 1: that's basically what it is. And so this could you know,
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  Speaker 1: they they say, oh, you know, this could mess with
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  Speaker 1: men because now they're not not only do they not
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  Speaker 1: have a woman in their life, but they don't even
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  Speaker 1: have their own families. So they're or money, right, but uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, they'll be technologies, Something will happen. Someone will
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  Speaker 1: rise and give them technology that will finally offer them
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  Speaker 1: reproductive equality. Whatever that is.
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  Speaker 2: The sex bought revolution, Yeah, sex bought plus artificial womb revolution,
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  Speaker 2: which won't itself be impeded by political interests that always
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  Speaker 2: impede anything that benefit men. Yeah, but yeah, that's yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that's it. Yeah, the problem is that women don't like men.
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  Speaker 2: So let's marginalize men further down the chain by taking
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  Speaker 2: their money away and giving it to women, and that'll
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  Speaker 2: solve everything. Okay, it won't. Like literally this is this
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  Speaker 2: is absolute nonsensical thinking. And generally, when a group of
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  Speaker 2: people start saying, what we need to solve this problem
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  Speaker 2: is to take money from group A, is to the
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  Speaker 2: government to take money from group A to give it
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  Speaker 2: to group B, generally they have no interest in solving
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  Speaker 2: the actual problem. But even if they did and their
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  Speaker 2: solution was genuine, it would make it worse. And the
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  Speaker 2: reason why it would make it worse is that, this
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  Speaker 2: is my hypothesis, the pair bond comes before the children.
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  Speaker 2: So with literally a pair bond or bond with a
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  Speaker 2: male partner is the precondition for women to turn that
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  Speaker 2: vague desire, that vague affiliated desire for two point four
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  Speaker 2: hallmark babies into an actual two plus children. Right, So
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  Speaker 2: you have to get women paar bonded first. And one
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  Speaker 2: of the reasons why I say that is because the
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  Speaker 2: fertility crisis isn't a crisis of married women's fertility. Once
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  Speaker 2: women are married, they have approximately the same number of
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  Speaker 2: children as they ever had since since basically birth control equalized,
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  Speaker 2: so in the nineties. In the early nineties, married women
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  Speaker 2: topped out but two point one two point five children,
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  Speaker 2: and they have not declined since. So married women continue
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  Speaker 2: to have the same amount of children that they have
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  Speaker 2: had for thirty thirty years, thirty plus years, and then
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  Speaker 2: amount of children that they have is at replacement. So
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  Speaker 2: in other words, if we had marriage rates of the seventies,
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  Speaker 2: the sixties and seventies, we'd be fine. So if we
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  Speaker 2: had if women were in long term relationships with men,
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  Speaker 2: we would be fine in terms of a birth rate.
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  Speaker 2: What's increasing were what's cratering the birth rate is the
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  Speaker 2: increase of single women period. And single women used to
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  Speaker 2: have us you know, they did. They didn't have as
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  Speaker 2: many children as married women ever, but they used to
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  Speaker 2: have some, and now they're having less and less and
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  Speaker 2: less and less. So you can divert funds to make
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  Speaker 2: women single forever and allow them to exist in that,
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  Speaker 2: but you are not going to get babies out of that.
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  Speaker 2: What you are is going to get an increasingly created
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  Speaker 2: birth rate. So what they're suggesting won't just not reverse
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  Speaker 2: the birth rate, it will increase the decline. The more
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  Speaker 2: you pay women to essentially stay away from men, the
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  Speaker 2: more you creator the birth rate and the whole discussion
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  Speaker 2: around this that women are finally able to be free
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  Speaker 2: of men, as if men were some burden that women
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  Speaker 2: have had throughout all of human history, which incidentally is
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  Speaker 2: absolute nonsense. Okay, like there's there's there's no reason the
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  Speaker 2: coevolved half of the other half of your of your
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  Speaker 2: species is a burden. That's ridiculous. But regardless that, the
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  Speaker 2: whole narrative is that women are no longer burdened with men.
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  Speaker 2: Therefore men have to be some other thing in order
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  Speaker 2: to attract women, and apparently that other thing is have
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  Speaker 2: a sociopathic personality style. But that's another story, right, that's all.
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  Speaker 2: That's all balderdash. Stop allowing men women to substitute men
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  Speaker 2: in their lives, to substitute a second co parent and
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  Speaker 2: a second co parent's resources, and encourage women to form
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  Speaker 2: bonds with men again. And one way you could do this,
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  Speaker 2: which is what nobody wants to even acknowledge, much less suggest,
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  Speaker 2: is maybe you stop promoting an ideology that turns heterosexuality
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  Speaker 2: into a status contest with women always losing. Okay, so
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  Speaker 2: that heterosexuality is the source of women's oppression, You take
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  Speaker 2: something that is in every religious tradition is a sacrament,
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  Speaker 2: and every philosophical tradition is the foundation of society, and
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  Speaker 2: based on evolution is why we exist in the first place.
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  Speaker 2: You take the sight of that and you turn it
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  Speaker 2: into the most debased status contest battle fight that it
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  Speaker 2: was never intended to be, and then you essentially ward
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  Speaker 2: women away from it, because what ends up happening is
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  Speaker 2: when you tell this to women, when you tell men
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  Speaker 2: our women that you know, getting in a relationship with
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  Speaker 2: a man is losing yourself, is You're constantly going to
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  Speaker 2: be subordinate. You're going to be we rased as a person.
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  Speaker 2: Everything is about status jocking and making sure you get
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  Speaker 2: your bag. And we got to make sure, we gotta
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  Speaker 2: we got to audit every minute everybody spends on the
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  Speaker 2: relationship to make sure it's equal right, bringing that whole
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  Speaker 2: are like that whole baggage of equality versus inequality into
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  Speaker 2: that space, that relationship that's foundational with everything we enjoy
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  Speaker 2: as human beings. Destroys it, flat out destroys it. And
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  Speaker 2: the funny thing is is that women's desires for a
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  Speaker 2: partner that makes more than them hasn't changed. Women still
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  Speaker 2: want it. What it actually does is it introduces toxic
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  Speaker 2: levels of hypergamming. So women still want a partner that
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  Speaker 2: earns more, that has more status, but now they want
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  Speaker 2: even more right, so they can't. It's there's a co
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  Speaker 2: parent is no longer good enough. They need Christian Gray.
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  Speaker 2: So ironically, by introducing this status contest into the relationship,
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  Speaker 2: you turn women from women who want to co create
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  Speaker 2: a family and a legacy with men into women who
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  Speaker 2: insist that the only man who is deserving of their submission,
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  Speaker 2: which this never was, or their subordination, which this never
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  Speaker 2: was about, is Christian Gray, a freaking billionaire, right the
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  Speaker 2: six sixty six men. So all of this comes from
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  Speaker 2: commodifying and turning the relationship between men and women into
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  Speaker 2: a status competition, and talking about it in terms of equality.
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  Speaker 2: Just even bringing in the whole notion that we can
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  Speaker 2: judge this relationship in terms of equality is observed, it
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  Speaker 2: destroys it. It's like talking about judging your kidneys versus
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  Speaker 2: your liver in terms of equality. We need to make them,
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  Speaker 2: we need to make their functions equal. We need we
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  Speaker 2: needed to remove the status jockey in between the kidneys
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  Speaker 2: and the liver. You know, what the ends up with
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  Speaker 2: that ends up with death? All Right, it's absurd, And
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  Speaker 2: if you maybe we could start, you know, and reversing
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  Speaker 2: this by simply getting rid of this ideology, you know,
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  Speaker 2: simply getting rid of the notion that heterosexuality is a
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  Speaker 2: status a competition between men and women, and that even anybody,
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  Speaker 2: any Susan Brown Miller or Andrea Dwarkin or whatever good
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  Speaker 2: feminist do you want to point to, because everybody's like, oh, well,
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  Speaker 2: the second wave, second wave, they were the good feminists. No,
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  Speaker 2: they weren't any one of those women you want to
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  Speaker 2: point to. Who just who just steps into something that
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  Speaker 2: used to be sacred or at least respected as foundational
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  Speaker 2: and starts throwing around bullshit about how it's really about
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  Speaker 2: pression of women. Yeah, just kick him out, kick them
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  Speaker 2: out of pedagogy, kick them out of academia, kick them
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  Speaker 2: out of teaching children, kick them out of the government
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  Speaker 2: amount of everywhere, and then see if the birth rate
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  Speaker 2: starts to improve. But no, we can't do that. We
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  Speaker 2: can't do that. Nobody can even talk about it. Let's
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  Speaker 2: talk about replacing people, like when the birth rate craters
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  Speaker 2: in twenty years, let's talk about immigration. Hey, let's just
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  Speaker 2: bring in people from cultures. But the problem with that is,
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  Speaker 2: of course, once they come here, they inherit our sterility,
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  Speaker 2: so we're eventually like, by importing people from other cultures,
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  Speaker 2: the West is ensuring the strility of the human race.
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  Speaker 2: But let's not talk about that, right, Nah, let's do that.
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  Speaker 2: Or how a wull option be Let's replace everybody with
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  Speaker 2: AI and robots. Hey, that makes more sense, right, Or
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  Speaker 2: I'll option see, let's grow people in vats and institutionalize
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  Speaker 2: human reproduction. Let's completely divorce it from individual choice and
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  Speaker 2: just make everybody in a tube. Right, Yeah, that's option cee.
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  Speaker 2: What about option D. Nobody wants to talk about option D,
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  Speaker 2: which is keeping Africa poor, so they continue to give birth.
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  Speaker 2: But Bill Gates is certainly pursuing that option really hard. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: he's definitely keeping Africa poor. All right, So those are
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  Speaker 2: four options that our big brain billionaires have arrived upon
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  Speaker 2: for us, Like, they all know that this is a problem,
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  Speaker 2: they're all seeking out a solution to it, and those
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  Speaker 2: are our options, but none of them include Maybe Andrew
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  Speaker 2: Dwarkin was wrong. Maybe the greasy, self hating whale had
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  Speaker 2: nothing good to say about human bonding. Maybe maybe the
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  Speaker 2: fem cells we shouldn't listen to them. Maybe maybe nobody
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  Speaker 2: wants to do that. All of these billionaires, these powerful men,
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  Speaker 2: they cannot stand up to these women and their legacy.
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  Speaker 2: They can call it out for all their power, they
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  Speaker 2: can't actually call out the real problem. They can't even
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  Speaker 2: mention it. Like even Melon Musk can't even talk about this. Honestly,
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  Speaker 2: none of them can. None of them can actually talk
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  Speaker 2: about the actual problem and where it originates. But they
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  Speaker 2: all can say that this is a problem. They can
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  Speaker 2: all see the problem. They just can't identify the solution,
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  Speaker 2: or they can't at least identify what the problem is
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  Speaker 2: downstream of Yeah, but it takes a small YouTube channel
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  Speaker 2: such as ourselves to do this thing, this remarkable and
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  Speaker 2: difficult thing. All right, let's continue.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I already read the appstract. You are going to
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  Speaker 1: read like a summary or something?
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  Speaker 2: Oh okay, sure, well I can read an analysis, but
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  Speaker 2: maybe we should leave that for the end. Let's keep going.
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  Speaker 2: Let's keep reading.
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  Speaker 1: Do you want me to just read more of because
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  Speaker 1: now I'm in the introduction? Do you want me to
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  Speaker 1: read that?
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  Speaker 2: Or sure? All right, okay, take a while.
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  Speaker 1: I did get a super chow. I'm want to read
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  Speaker 1: really quick from Hula Troopa. This was yesterday at nine
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  Speaker 1: forty three ten dollars, says just paying Allison's woman consultation fees. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: all right, let's continue yep introduction. The relationship between the
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  Speaker 1: fertility crisis and our era's marginalization of some groups of
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  Speaker 1: men is poorly understood. Over the past decades, researchers have
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  Speaker 1: documented how many men are falling behind in terms of education,
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  Speaker 1: professional performance, mental health, and other social and economic indicators,
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  Speaker 1: but mostly without investigating the psychological causes of the marginalization.
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  Speaker 1: In Norway, one of the world's most gender progressive nations,
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  Speaker 1: politicians have tried to understand this concerning development through three
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  Speaker 1: government appointed committees, but these failed to identify the underlying
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  Speaker 1: drivers or which policies could effectively counter the trend. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: you're saying the government couldn't solve a problem. That is
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: not something that government could solve. They they couldn't just
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: create the policy that makes things better, the make it
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: work policy. They couldn't pass that. Okay. In the same
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: period as men in many nations became more marginalized, fertility
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: rates plummeted. The Nordic nations were anomalies, often attributed to
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: their gender equality and generous family policies, but they too
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: are now headed towards demographic collapse. In the twenty tens,
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: Norway's rate fell from two point zero to one point
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: five and continued falling. Nations like Norway and England with
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: a rate of one point four will see their cohort
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: size reduced by a third for each generation barring effects
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: of immigration. And they have like a figure, but I
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: can't for some reason, I can't see it. I don't
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: know what's going on with that. I don't know what.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: Again. Again, regardless of what you think of immigration in
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: terms of your politics, immigration just ensures that the entire
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: world is sterilized, right, because what you're doing is you're
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: importing people from places where that still have replacement level reproduction,
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: which now isn't even East Asia, like India has fallen
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: below replacement. China's well below right, most of East Asia. Right,
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: So now we're just looking at the Sub Saharan Africa
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: and they are following. They are their trajectory is downward too.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: So you import people from places that are still reproducing,
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: and within three generations their reproduction is at or below
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: the host country's reproduction. So what you're doing by importing
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: people is sterilizing the entire human race. Right, not a
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: good long term strategy. Regardless, it doesn't solve the problem.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: So why do it? Why not solve the problem. And
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: the funny thing is they did. They lay out exactly
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: what's happened, and they do it in terms that are
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: extremely ambiguous. No, they do it in terms that are
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: extremely camouflaged. They say, the marginalization of men. Well, how
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: did the marginalization of men occur? Well, I'll tell you
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: how it occurred. It occurred by a bunch of ideologues
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: saying that heterosexuality is the site of women's oppression, which
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: turns what men offer women into something that is unwanted, Like,
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: why would you want a relationship with an oppressor and
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: the relationship you have with them is the site of
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: your own oppression? Right, That's what marginalizes men. That's what
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: under sells men as partners and also workers and also
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: students and employees and leaders and everything, of course, but
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: in particular it under sells them as partners of women.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: So now, in order to have a woman, a man
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: can't be just like, well, I offer a relationship with
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: myself because that is now degraded, that is, that is
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: the sight of his oppression of her, which is the
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: worst thing that a man could offer a woman. So
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: any relationship a man offers a woman is the worst
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: thing she could offer. Am What a surprise that women
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: no longer want to get in relationships with men unless
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: they have so much more to offer than just themselves
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: as a co partner in you know, in paddling the
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: boat of life? Right? Do you see how that works?
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: And where the marginalization comes from? And they're just like,
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: oh wow, this marginalization it just landed. Maybe it came
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: from an asteroid or sorry, meteorite hitting the earth. Maybe
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: it's some kind of disease that came.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: They must be doing it to themselves. Other men must
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: be responsible.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: You know, Yah, where did this marginalization come from?
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: Go ahead, damn okay, all right?
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: I got a super chat from Gary Thomas for five dollars.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: Think of Gary Thomas and he says, whenever I'm feeling down,
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: I watch a YouTube channel called mom of six Japan.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: It's just about a Japanese man and woman being a
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: family with their kids. Oh, man, that sounds really oppressive,
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: and then he gives another five dollars and says, now,
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: I always say her thing activated when I watch the channel,
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: you know, the chemicals and the female brain, Allison always
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: talks about. Yeah, it's kind of like what the when
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: the only fans thoughts are playing like Pragmata and they
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: see like the cute interactions with the android and they're like,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: oh my god, I want a baby. But again, the
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: desire to have children is not really gone away. They
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: just don't there I don't know, condition to not find
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: maculine or something.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: But yeah, this is the thing from my analysis again,
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: a bond with a man is is necessary, like it is.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: If you don't have it, you are not going to
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: actualize that two point four children in any capacity. The
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: bond comes first, is what I'm what I'm finding from
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: my research, and in particular, you need like it seems
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: like some kind of survival threat or some kind of
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: survival stress is necessary to even activate the precondition for
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: women to bond. Yeah. So it's and again those cultures
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: that lived closest to survival seem to be aware of
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: this on an intuitive sense, and they provided the stress
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: to young women when they had gone through puberty in
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: order to activate that V one, a cross activation that
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: I keep talking about the brain hormones, get them, get
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: them circulating towards an adult end. But we don't do
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: that anymore. We overcosts it. Women. We treat them like glass.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: And I think you said we should have a bullet
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: point in Plan twenty two. It or a Project twenty two,
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: Project twenty two or is it plan twenty two. It's
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: the thing that remember Natty was hysterical about like two
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: project yeah, project Yeah. We should have a bullet point
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: where all girls need to go through, like some kind
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: of initiation that involves yeah, yeah.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, basically the coming of age rituals, like they
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: need something like that for women, absolutely yeah yeah.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: And we were talking about girl scouts, and I've said
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: that it would if it was girl scouts, who would
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: have to be the most metal girl scouts? Y.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, they'd have to be really really hardcore girl scouts.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah right, okay, So should I keep I'm gonna keep
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: going then, huh yep, Okay, here we go. So this
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: is the chart here? And why is the wait? Hold
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: on a second?
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: Check?
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: Check check, check, check, Okay, reduction. This is the chart
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: we were just talking about. Okay, So continuing this reduction
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: rate depends on whether the afflicted nations can prevent further decline,
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: but many experts believe fertility rates could continue to drop.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: If these nations catch up with South Korea, which in
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: twenty twelve had a rate similar to Norway's current rate,
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: they will have ninety nine percent fewer children in only
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: four generations. However, how far these numbers will drop is uncertain.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: South Korea's situation is unprecedented. Yeah, but they're ahead of
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: the curve, is how I would see it. It's not
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: like an anomaly. But you know, I don't think these
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: people are ready for that conversation. I got another super
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: chat from Senior Styx. He says the answer is government intervention. Second,
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: this is for the Chicago Deep Dish pizza Brian, for
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: which to share with those in the Badger Cave for
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: five dollars. Thank you. I'm not in Chicago, so but
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: I appreciate it. I moved to Virginia in twenty twenty,
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: so I can't get Deep Dish anymore, but I appreciate it.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: Maybe one day, all right. Anyway. Demographic experts have primarily
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: explained the fertility crisis in terms of economic costs, changing values,
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: institutional arrangements of affecting work, family balance, and shifts in
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: gender roles. They have been less focused on psychological causes
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: on and mating market dynamics and are yet to offer
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: credible policy solutions. Again, there's no policy solution for this.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: One thing is, though, I would say, like dating apps,
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: they have to go, like, I don't care how somebody
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: in the chat mentioned earlier they could make the government
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: should make a dating app. No, that's ridiculous. Dating apps
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: are absolute cancer. They are. They are part of what
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: where women get their sense of entitlement. Imagine being a
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: woman and you're absolutely like mid okay, and you get
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: on a dating app and you get spammed by multiple
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: dudes that are just like different varying levels of thirst,
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: which is a you know the other side of the coin.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: But but that, like, all of that attention you're getting
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: from that app is gonna make you think that you're
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: worth a lot more than you are, and it's gonna
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: give you a distorted sense of self. So, no, dating
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: apps are absolute cancer. That's not the solution. I think
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: it's like you go outside, go somewhere where you can
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: meet someone, and start by making friends with men. I
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: don't know that's my opinion, but anyway.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: So, actually that's that's actually really good idea. And so,
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: but if there's a government policy, it would be to
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: stop the current government interventions of promoting a particular ideology.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: Just stop, just stop, just stop promoting feminism. Well, I'm
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: going to label it out right. Just stop promoting the
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: idea that heterosexuality is a status contest, because that's not
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: what it is, and start being honest to women about
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: what they're foregoing by not pairing up with their looks match. Right,
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: There's there's aspects to being in a bonded relationship that
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: you cannot get from casual sex, right, And and there
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: is this aspect that they constantly talk about being seen.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: The only way a woman is seen is in a
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: bonded relationship with a man, like they're constantly talking about that.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: And if you actually look at what they're talking about,
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: this idea of being fully recognized, Well, where does that
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: come from? Being recognized as an individual, being desired as
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: an individual? You're not going to get it from your
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: relational web, from your sisters, you're from a lesbian relationship.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: You're not going to get it from Chad on a
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: freaking dating app. You're going to get it from a
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: man who is pair bonded to you, whose dopogenic reward
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: system is recruited by your specific partner targeted stimuli. Again,
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: I know that sounds really mechanistic, but that another word
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: for that would be love. Right, It's you become a reward,
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: a dopogenic reward for another human being. Right. That is
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: being seen. That is having somebody see your particular nature
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: and qualities and love them. And you can only get
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: that from a man. Yeah, because men are the only
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: ones who really have that depth of specificity. Like that,
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: that obsession with the specific. That's a male trade, you know,
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: like the the you know, the autistic guy with the trains,
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: that's an obsession with the specific. Newton is an obsession
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: with the specific. The Great Indoors sent me a video
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: of a of I think a Norwegian scientist or Swedish scientist,
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: or a mathematician who spent decades solving one particular mathematical problem.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: That is an obsession with the specific. That is only
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: that only comes from men. So being seen this lauded
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: thing that all the relational web thinkers are constantly on about.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: They can only get it from men, and you can
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: only get it from a specific man, because a man
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: who is just like like you were talking about those
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: guys who are thirsty and they're all like uh, or
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: even worse, the guy who knows that if he hits
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: well below his belt, like his weight, he's gonna get
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: her in and out of bed within like six hours. Right,
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: You're not gonna get that from him. Yeah, he has
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: no interest in you. You could take that, dude, and
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: you be replaced by a fleshlight attached to a human
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: female circulatory So he wouldn't care. I guess maybe there
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: would be an element of conquest, but he doesn't. There's
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: no specificity in his interest in you. Right, And and
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: this is what women are doing. They're replacing being seen,
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: the thing that they say is most important in their
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: entire life. They're replacing it with chasing being I don't
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: know what the relational web does. They'll never see you, period.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: Other women will never do this. They're not equipped for it,
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: nor are they willing to give it to you. Let's
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: be honest. They'll be friendly, they'll be warm, but they
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: are not going to see you. And the only place again,
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: the only place you get that from a is a
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: man who's bonded to you. That's it. You get one shot,
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: maybe two if the first shot dies like but other
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: than that, you get like one shot. The average one
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: gets one shot and they are wasting it on being
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: a mobile self cleaning fleshlight. For Chad, you are the
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: fleshlight that removes itself at the end. You know, he
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: doesn't have to deal with cleaning you. You know, he
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: doesn't have to deal with storing you. He doesn't have
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: to deal with any uncomfortable questions, he doesn't have to
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: feel like a loser because you know, it's sort of
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: more social. But uh yeah, that's that's what you're That's
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: what you're exchanging for our ladies. The thing you want,
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: you're giving up in favor of chasing being a convenience
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: for men who will never give a crap about you
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: at all, or a relationship with another woman who is
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: categorically incapable of giving you what you want, so you
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: both will get into a death spiral of trying to
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: extract a thing neither of you can give each other,
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: and you wonder why lesbian relationships are the most violent,
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: the most sexually and physically violent, and then to divorce
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: the most Okay, let's keep going.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, let's keep going.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: Uh So.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: One conclusion has been that since we lack effective countermeasures,
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: we should just adapt to the inevitable collapse. Uh. Sure.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: Back suggests that we focus on personal fulfillment for the
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: people who remain, while Bainbridge propose we get ready for
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: a future as sogs this scholarly bewilderment. How is that scholarly?
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: It's over? Guys, I have concluded it's over. Let's be cyborgs.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: This that sounds like again and again, like we.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: Could stop doing the thing that's made this a problem.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: Huh Like it's it's it's like everybody's in the car
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: like a bus. We're all on the bus.
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: We're all headed towards the cliff, and the and the
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: people who are deciding what where we were, the ones
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: who are navigating and driving are all like, look at
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: the cliff.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: What could we possibly do to stop ourselves from going
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: over the cliff? There are no options. Maybe what we
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: should do is build wings or learn to just live
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: life flat, you know, you know, we we will end
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: up splatting on the rocks blow. We'll just learn to
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: enjoy that. Why don't you just stop the bus?
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: One guy stood up and said, well, I guess we're
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: just gonna go, but that's it. Let's just make life
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: comfortable for for, you know, as many people on the
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: bus as possible. Another guy stood up and said, I'm
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna merge the the the drive shift my arm,
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna, yeah, I'm gonna join. Let's merge with the bus.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: Let's become cyborgs. Those were and those were the what
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: are they to say? The the the academic the academics
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: that said that, the fucking demographic experts.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: Oh oh, also, we could bring more people on the bus.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: Surely that will stop it, even though they'll just share
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: our trajectory. Lord, oh or yeah that this These are
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: our thought leaders, guys. Nobody's nobody's saying like, why don't
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: we stop the bus? And if we can't stop, why
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: don't we turn the wheel? Huh could we do that? Yeah?
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: Nobody but us but us chickens. But the funny thing
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: is is that the academias recognize that this is a problem.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: The billionaires recognize this is a problem. A good amount
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: of politicians are starting to recognize this is a problem. Right,
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: we're all start We're all for the most part, all
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: of the people on the edge of this problem were
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: recognizing it. But they can't do the obvious. They can't
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: be like, yeah, let's just stop the bus, everybody get off.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: Okay, a couple of things. I got a super chat
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: and I see a message here. So Richard two four
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: seven seven seven gives us four ninety nine pounds and says,
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: have you watched my interview?
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: No?
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: Sorry, I have not seen it. I don't know where
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: to look for it. Did you link? You should drop
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: it in the discord server and tag us in it
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: or something. Uh. And the Great Indoor says that he's
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: having an issue with the feed the Badger website. He's
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: getting a five h two bad gateway message. Oh go, lord,
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: you might have to look at that if you're going
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: down the wrong path. Moves to turn around. Yeah, well, no, one.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: The thing is, I think ultimately it comes down to this.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: These people don't either don't have a solution because they're morons,
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: or they don't want to solve the problem because solving
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: the problem with mean, uh, addressing the woman question. And
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: they can't do that. They have to because you see,
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: the thing begins right the the the article began under
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: the just like flat out presumed the presumption that the
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: liberation of women is good. So because they began with
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: that and they didn't even question it, they didn't question
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: what that meant. They didn't question what the downstream consequences
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: of that might be. They didn't question what it meant
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: to like give women absolute control like birth control, what
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: that might have done. Whatever, they didn't and they didn't
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: ask what it meant when women entered the sort of
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: corporate job market and mass I know women have always worked,
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: I'm saying, like becoming wage slaves like men in mass
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: and what that meant that, No, none of that stuff
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: could be questioned. So we can't go back that far.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: We have to like look at it right now, and
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: right now it looks like men of the problem. That's
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: how they that's what they're doing.
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: Well, literally, you can't accept any other potential source of
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: the problem. You've categorically closed You've categorically closed any potential
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: like other source of the problem. It can only be men.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: That's the only thing that everybody can actually land on.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: But what I'm trying to get at is, you can
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: see it's like a dog chewing or toffee for the
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: academics dealing with this issue, and the and the billionaires,
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: and they all recognize it's a problem, and they just
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: can't admit who's creating it. They just don't have the
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: cojones to be like and literally you can see the
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: causal relationship. How were men marginalized? How did that happen?
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: How did the relationship between men and women become so radioactive?
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: Who where did that come from?
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: How is it even possible that men could be marginalized?
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: That's ridiculous. Ye, that's kind of what they're operating under, right,
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: my men? What again? And all of the stuff that
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: we have today that we're at now, it's all presumed
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: to have been good, and that this like this whole
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: like continuing the human race thing, it's just kind of
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: like an unfortunate side effect, a necessary one, you know,
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: because we liberated women, you see, and that was that's
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: the most important thing.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: So why can't we have all of the things that
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: cause the birth rate to crater and the society where
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: the birth rate doesn't creter. God, damn, men, get on
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: that ship. What is wrong with you? Why?
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: It's like those experimental meds that they're always advertising where
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: they tell you, you know, this thing will will solve,
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: like diabetes, but a side effect is also diabetes. Yeah,
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: potential side effects may include diabetes.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: God, God, you guys are listening here, like, why why
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: haven't you figured this out?
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: Man?
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: Like, why haven't you figured out?
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: Like?
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: They want a society in which everything that creators the
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: birth rate exists, but the birth rate doesn't. Creter, Why
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: haven't you solved this problem? Men? Why haven't you fixed
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: this fixed? At?
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, senior sticks gave us another super chat
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: and for five dollars, and said Alison. History has proven
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: that for most ladies they need a first marriage then divorce.
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: Most young ladies are less uncertain on the second marriage.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure if that's a joke or not, but okay,
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: So back to this. This scholarly bewilderment contributes to many
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: nations mostly ignoring the existential threat or misunderstanding the relevant
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: contributors to low fertility. Others have experimented with pro natalist policies,
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: such as increasing financial transfers to families or restricting women's
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: reproductive freedoms, mostly without achieving significant results. Norway appointed a
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: birth rate Committee, but its suggestions and insights added little
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: to the discussion around how to understand and solve the
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: fertility crisis. Among the factors that in the past century
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: drove the decline from high to low fertility were reduced
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: child mortality, urbanization, gender equality, and reliable contraceptives. Main contributors
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: to the continuing decline to ultra low fertility are increasing
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: singleedom and delayed relationship formation. Well, why are they delayed
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: is because women are going to school for like ten years. Okay,
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: these photisk found These other guys, Thompson Ramo photisk found
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: that the time spent in a union during the re
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: productive lifespan is a key determinant of cumulated fertility.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: No way, exactly what I said. Exactly what I said. Literally,
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: you need to get women in relationships with men. Otherwise
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: you are not going to solve this. You cannot go
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: against millions of years of accumulated evolution, my friends, That
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: is a losing proposition. Okay, what's gonna happen is everything
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: that impedes the process of human reproduction is going to
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: go bye bye. So you can kiss everything. You can
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: kiss dating apps, you can kiss feminism, you can kiss
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: your advanced civilization goodbye. If you do not solve this
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: problem correctly and not just keep blaming men and can
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: keep refusing to acknowledge where it's coming from. Okay, you
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: do not like this is literally you are trying to
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: start a fight with millions of years of evolved evolution.
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: Like evolution, we're talking about shit that knows, like the
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: what is it? The the it was there when the
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: spells were written.
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: You know, I was there when it was written.
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, like like that was there when
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: it was written, everything was written down it. It does
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: not care. It does not care. And the best you
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: can accomplish with this nonsense is the annihilation of the
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: human race. Congratulations. I mean species go extinct all the time.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: The pandas appear to be going extinct for precisely the
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: same reason they don't breed. Right, But we are conscious
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: enough that we can identify the correct factors that are
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: getting away, getting in the way of our breeding and
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: get rid of them. And one of them is that
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: women are not pair bonding, they're not achieving the precondition
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: for fertility, and what is the solution of these people
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: make that worse? Oh well, we'll just root around men. Yeah, well, unfortunately, Okay,
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: here's how it works. Okay, Evolution makes it so that
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: a female requires a male to reproduce, and the more
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: difficult the raising of the resultant offspring is, the more
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: the female relies on the male. And I'm going to
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: inform everybody that the human offspring are the most difficult
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: offspring to bring to maturity in the entire world bar none,
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: which means the female relies on the male even more
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: more than any other female on the planet. So what
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: do you think is going to become a precondition for
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: her to breed having a bonded male partner, and without it,
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: she is not going to be in position on any
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: level to want to have children. Maybe accidentally she'll get
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: knocked up with Chad if she's extremely marginal, Like there's
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: all always been extremely marginal women in the world who
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: end up having children outside of wedlock because they just
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: are marginal. Apparently there's a certain association with sociopathy and
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: women and large amounts of children. Okay, I'm just putting
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: that out there. So there are female sociopaths who produce
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: large amounts of children outside of wedlock, all right, they've
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: always existed. We don't want that, okay, because that's where
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: male sociopaths come from. What we want is women forming
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: relationships with men and having access to the kind of
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: fertility that married women have. Okay. And there was a
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: comment a couple like a month or so ago where
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: someone was saying that married women don't have children, that
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: it's education. No, it isn't, and it's never been, especially
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: for Northern Europeans. Labor participation and education have never had
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: as much of an impact on fertility for Northern Europeans
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: as marriage formation in particular. And the reason why is
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: because in the weird cultures, right that that's the Northern
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: European cultures, the ones that are presumptively the most advanced.
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: I know, that's a a.
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: Enlightened like morally and socially. Is that what you mean?
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: Advance maybe, but just mechanicalists, mechanicists just in terms of innovation.
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: Northern Europeans have a unique pattern to the way that
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: they do reproduction. They have actually, like throughout their history,
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: at least under the Church, they did have a higher
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: amount of celibacy, so there was more monks, more nuns,
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: more maiden aunts and bachelor uncles and that kind of thing.
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: And also they got married later, not as late as
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: we do now, but like mid twenties to like mid
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: to late twenties. This has been the pattern for Northern
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: Europeans for centuries. And what they did is they replaced
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: early marriage and almost universal marriage with highly increased fertility
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: in marriage. So for example, in East Asia, almost everybody
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: got married, but nobody had sex and marriage. That's not
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: how the Europeans do. The Northern Europeans do. You would
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: have a long courtship, right so, and it would be
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: the church estoulish. And this is what I was laughing
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: at when you said that we were the first culture
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: that established consent for women. That's ridiculous. The Church did, right.
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: The Church replaced this kind of like elder kins selecting
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: your partner with the man in the woman selecting each
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: other like this is an innovation that the Church did.
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: It's actually really a radical change that the Christian Church did,
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: which is to have these long term courtships, to have
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: the man and the woman select each other. And that
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: ended up producing like and they know, like if you
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: listen to how Christians describe this stuff, they know exactly
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: what they're doing that produces bonds of unusual depth and
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: sexual intensity. And when you do that, you end up
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: with fewer married couples. But those married couples are like
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: averaging six children each, right, because they are they have
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: the drive to reproduce, a higher drive to reproduce. And
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: that's how Northern Europeans did. What ended up happening is
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: you end up with children with a lot more resources.
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: It's a very k type strategy. So each child has
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: a ton of resources. They have resources from their mother
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: and father, who usually spend the time acquiring resources or
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: skills in their early twenties. In particular, the father will
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: likely have established amounts of coalitions, like be part of
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: not communist communes, but the communes that they had in
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: Middle Ages, and guilds and societies and that kind of thing, sure,
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: and militias. Right, So you have that extended period of
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: time where both parents are gathering resources, both socially in
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: terms of skills and in terms of material resources. Plus
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: you have all of the other relatives who remain celibate,
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: and you have that all pouring into the two that
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: are producing a ton of children very quickly. And that's
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: how the Europeans did, the Northern Europeans very kay like
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: high amounts of resources pouring into fewer children. But we'll
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: not fewer children, but like uh more more focused on
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: and uh and that's that's how they did. So it's
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: like this this whole idea that it's education or labor
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: participation that reduces women's fertility. It's not, especially not for
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: Northern Europeans. It's the lack of properly forming marriage bonds.
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: We abandon that and now we're not forming marriage bonds
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: the way we did in our in our tradition, which
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: itself was a radical departure from any other culture on
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: the planet. Like most cultures, everybody marries their cousin and
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: it's arranged by their dad and their mom. In Northern
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: European with northern even in Israel they do it that way.
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: In Northern Europeans. You you go, you find your partners,
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: so you're probably And what they found is in like
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: Northern European, the immune uh like the immune different between
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: a man and a wife, like a husband and a
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: wife are far higher than anywhere else in the world.
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: So Europeans, Northern Europeans go and they find somebody who
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: is going to produce much healthier children, because under the
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: Christian model, you make the choice, and people tend to choose,
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: if they're not on birth control, a partner with an
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: immune profile that will enhance their own right. So it's
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: there's a whole confluence of factors. And again, especially for
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: Northern Europeans, we have to get back to or move
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: forward with an informed understanding of how we form paaramonds right,
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: And honestly, like when I say Northern European, now, pretty
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: much that's everybody who's gotten folded into that culture in
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: like the US. So sure like most of the like
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: the black people in the US are part white right there,
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: there aren't very much part of that culture, especially the
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: ones who aren't engaging in let's say, less desirable behaviors,
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: you know. So it's it's it's it's bigger now than
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: it was, it's not as exclusive, but it's also just
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: points to what the real problem is. And again it's
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: not female labor force participation, and it's not women's education.
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: It's the fact that we've abandoned how we historically arranged
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: our para bonds, and we have instead embraced a philosophy.
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: Uh I don't call it philosophy, an ideology that pathologizes it. Okay,
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: all right, back to this.
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: Yes, not surprisingly, when fewer women and men pair bond,
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: there are fewer couples who reproduce. Again, this is an
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: academic paper telling us this. This is like, this is
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: like fuck it high IQ stuff. Guys, did you know that?
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: Did you know that? When pete, when fewer men and
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: women in parabon, there are fewer children. I know you
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: didn't know that. Boom, you just got educated. I got
• 57:12
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• 57:16
  Speaker 1: and he says the bright side, pandas are no longer
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: an endangerous species. A slight uptick in births has upgraded
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: them from an endangered to a vulnerable species. All right,
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: thank you. Yeah, because we're looking rich. We got our
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: priorities together. I wonder, I wonder if the uh you know,
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: distant space rocks or bacteria are reproducing at the correct rates.
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: We have to concern ourselves with those those those numbers.
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: Gary Thomas gives another super chat for ten dollars. Thank you, Gary,
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: and says, also, how true is the idea that East
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: Asians don't make whoopee after marriage? I've heard it before,
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: but not sure of its truth. And where did the
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: children come from them?
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: It's statistical. The children come from the fact that everybody
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: gets married. So if you have a like if you
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: have a Northern European society where let's say eighty percent
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: of people get married or even sixty percent, because there
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: was a pretty high rate of celibacy, and like Newton,
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: wasn't that unusual and it isn't actually that unusual cat
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: ladies and eternal bachelors for our for our culture, that's
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: not that unusual. What's unusual is that it's really reduced
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: the amount of women who end up married. But if
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: you let's say you got sixty percent of the population marries,
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: but once they get married, they have like six to
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: ten children, right, you have? But and then you look
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: at like ninety percent of the population gets married, but
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: they only have two to three children, right, do you
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: see that one is going to end up overall with
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: greater fertility and one is going to end up with less.
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: And what's happening in East Asia is or at least
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: historically is they did have almost universal marriage along the
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: same lines as I've been talking about, which is elderkin
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: selected and likely causing marriage. But they didn't reproduce or
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: they didn't produce as much offspring in their marriages, which
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: likely means that they weren't engaging in the preconditions that
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: lead to offspring, if you know what I mean, whereas
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: the European couples were. And the way that Christian courtship
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: is arranged is that it and I've looked at this
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: in terms of the endocrine architecture, it's arranged in such
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: a way that you maximize the like the hormonal intensity
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: of eventual consummation. So it's it really deepens the bond
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: and I would say eroticizes it considerably more than any
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: other form of courtship. Like just meeting your prospective bride
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: on the day of your marriage isn't going to do that.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: Be having it arranged by your elder kid isn't going
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: to do that. Marrying your cousin isn't going to do
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: that because there's going to be like immune system incompatibilities
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: there because they're too close. That's why we tend to
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: be exogamists. That means we look outside of our natal
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: group for a partner. It's because we want to get
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: that immune diversity, which increases our fertility and increases the
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: health of our offspring. So that's what the Christian courtship
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: model is, maximizing the health the offspring. The sexual intensity
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: of the relationship. That's what they don't talk about, but
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: based on my architectural reading, they are literally creating the
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: deepest well of hormonal intensity on consummation of any other
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: form of courtship. So essentially they just the Christian courtship's
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: aim is to create two people who are intoxicated with
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: each other. That's what it does. And there is no
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: sexual experience that is going to be as deep and
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: profound and as intense as what they're creating. Like, there's
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: no technique that can compare to it. There's no uh like,
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: because technique is just basically nervous system stimulation, whereas this
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: is max hormone maxing and there's nothing that can compare
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: to that. So and the and the benefits of it,
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: and probably why the Christian version of marriage, which is
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: really what caused everybody to convert, really is that it
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: has these inherent bonuses to the people who engage in it.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: So there's a question, right, So the question I'm answering
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: is why did the Christian system convert so many people
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: in Europe when the previous system would have had incredible
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: like social entrenchment if you think about it, because it
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: was the linear system. Like you, it was the way
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: that you kept property in a family, in a clan,
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: in a tribe. So there would be a huge incentive
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: to keep to the cousin marriage, to the polygamy, the polygyny,
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: to all of the things that they were practicing before Christianity.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: So what was the incentive for these people to convert?
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: And I think this is my hypothesis. The incentive was
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: the honeymoon was the fact that the Christian system was
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: more and sexually, erotically and emotionally and in terms of
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: the intensity of bond was more intense, like it was
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: more it was more enticing. So that was the conversion point.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: That was the conversion benefit. Like the sales pales pitch
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: sure as opposed to what it usually is is that
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: you know, the Christians came in, they forced everybody, so
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: you know, yeah, all of the like Friar tucks. They
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: all forced everybody at the point of a stave and
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: a flagon of beer. That's what That's what happened. I
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: don't think so. I mean, yes, in some cases, the
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: the the lords were the ones who converted, and then
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: they forced everybody else to convert. But that wasn't always
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: the case. Often it was from bottom up. So how
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: did that happen? How did they can they make this
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: universal conversion, conversion of a marriage system, one from one
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: to the other. Right, And that's my that's my hypothesis.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: They knew what they were doing and they sold it
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: to the young people, just like rock and roll. Okay,
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: all right, all right.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: Similar increases are found across low fertility nations. This trend
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: seems not to have reached saturation. By one estimate, forty
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: five percent of American women aged twenty five through forty
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: four will be single in twenty thirty, supporting the link
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: between this global relationship recession and declining fertility. Burn Murdoch
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: demonstrated how several nations show an observable association between reduced
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: pair bonding and declining fertility rates. In his analysis, periods
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: in which countries experienced temporary increases in partnership formation tended
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: to coincide with corresponding rises in fertility. Norwegian fertility and
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: single rates show a similar co movement over time. It varies, however,
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: how much of a certain period's decline in natural fertility
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: is explained by a reduction in pair bonding. Several counteracting
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: or heterogeneous factors operates simultaneously. The most recent Nordic fertility
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: drops were primarily caused by reduced fertility within relationships, while
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: Australian and East Asian fertility declines were predominantly caused by
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: increasing single rates. Despite notable contextual differences, higher singlehood is
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: robustly associated with lower fertility.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: Okay, do they count lesbian relationships in with heterosexual relationships
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: in Norway? Do they? They did disambiguate those. I don't know.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: If they don't, then I can tell you where some
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: of the lower reproduction, lowered reproduction within relationships is coming from.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: But I have to look at it more closely.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: I got a super chat from Senior Stix for five dollars. Again,
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: he says marriage is always about combining resources. Cousin marriage
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: is common. Christian marriages bunk Christian conversation was about control
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: and then puts not all in parentheses.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: Okay, but again the Christian form of marriage formation ended
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: up out competing the cousin form of marriage formation, the
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: cousin kin form of marriage formation. All right, and it's
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: and honestly, the Christians never maybe there was a situation
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: where they would appeal to a lord, but they didn't
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: go into these situations using military force. It was always persuasion.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: And then maybe they would persuade someone who was able
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: to use military force. So that's a and like if
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: you can explain how they managed to convert entire societies
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: from cousin polygamy kin based system to this more I
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: guess modern form of relationship formation. I'm all yours. Let's
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: let's continue, all right.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: Anti natalists attitude seem not to contribute significantly to low fertility.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: Only three percent of European women age eighteen through forty
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: consider zero children in the ideal family size. In Norway,
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: women on average report a preference for two point four children,
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: but have only one point four. Such fertility gaps between
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: desired and actual offspring are common in low fertility nations.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: Americans consider the ideal family size to include two point
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: seven children, but their fertility rate is one point six.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: TESTA found that European women on average want two point
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: two women are children, with lack of the right partner
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: being the most frequently cited reason for not achieving intended fertility.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: Okay, so can we not take that as the actual problem? Right? Okay,
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: So women want two point four children if they find
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: a partner. And what happening is we have a social
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: ideology that makes them believe that the average man is
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: an appropriate partner. Right, so because he is like that,
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: the relationship is recast of one of like mutual support
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: and something like an instinctive kind of mutual understanding, but
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: also satisfaction into a status competition in which a woman
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: will only submit if she gets you know, she gets
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: his bag and her bag and everybody's bag. You know,
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: you got to pile all those bags on the table
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: before she's going to submit to being subordinate to a
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: man and a hitter sexual relationship. You see how that
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: hypergrammy comes right out of what feminist frame heterosexuality to be.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: And then the other thing is is that again the
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: Northern European pattern has always had female labor force participation,
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: acquiring of resources, education, It hasn't lacked fertility until feminists
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: bombed the site of pair bonding, like they turned it
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: into something radioactive, and then suddenly we have a fertility problem.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: Suddenly we have a pair bonding problem. Like we're looking
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: at all of these other factors, and we didn't have
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: a problem before then, right, we didn't have a problem
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: until feminists got their hooks in there and started tearing
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: it apart and started presenting heterosexuality as a source of
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: status competition. And then you have women who don't want
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: to engage in it because they think that they're in
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: an eternal fight with a man, which sounds like it's exhausting,
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: or they think that the only like if they're gonna
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: have to submit, he be better sweetened the deal, well
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: beyond the app what the average man can do, like,
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: and feminists literally said, we're here to destroy that. We're
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: here to destroy heterosexual outity. We're here to destroy marriage
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: right here, that's what we're here for. And then they did,
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: and everybody's like, how did that happen? And then we're
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: blaming things like women's education, women's work. Well, women who
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: are always educated and they always worked, don't look at
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: what feminists say about the world and agree with it
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: and assume that they are right. They're one hundred percent wrong,
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: And it also hides their influence. If everybody's blaming women's
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: workplace participation or their education for lowered fertility, then we
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: don't blame feminism, do we. We don't blame the women
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: who literally said, we're destroying relation. We're going to destroy
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: human pair bonding. We're going to turn it into a
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: status competition, which will make the average woman not want
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: to deal, not want to engage in it, or or
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: be unable to see stain it, and also want men
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: to sweeten the deal beyond what they are the average
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: man is capable of. Like we're looking, we're tilting at
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: windmills when we look at this other stuff. When we
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: look at advanced age in terms of marriage, well, Northern
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: Europeans always did that, women's labor participation, Northern Europeans always
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: did that, women's education, Northern Europeans always did that. You
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: know a certain amount of celibacy in that, well, Northern
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: Europeans always did that. So what's happening now and in
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: what's happening now is feminism and government intervention, Like that's it,
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: and If you want to go back to like cousin
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: marriage and can arrangement, then embrace our immigrant overlords because
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: they're bringing it.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: Like that.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: That's what they're bringing. Ye, embrace Sharia law, embrace the
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: poop street. Okay, guys like you want Northern European culture,
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: do you want like Southeast Asian culture? Which do we
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: want here? Make your disjoyce. If you don't like church marriage,
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: you don't get the benefits of Northern European culture. If
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: you want to go back to kN Ki's cousin marriage
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: and elder kins polygamy, yeah, polygyny, then we then we
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: get the poop street, right, we get the constant and
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: not a British cast system. You're gonna get all of
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: the fellow travelers of marrying your cousin based on what
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: your mom told you to do. Okay, all of it.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: You're gonna get the whole spread. So make your choice.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: And I'm not saying we have to necessarily be like
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: Jesus is King. We just need to understand what Christians
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: did and what the Church did and what the Church
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: accomplished and maybe gives them like some benefit for the
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: fact that the culture that is a direct descendant of
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: everything that they did was so successful. Maybe a little
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: bit of credit there, and again, we don't have to
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: go into the whole religiosity thing. Just give credit where
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: credits do.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, go ahead, Okay. So I think you basically
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: said what needed to be said about that when women
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: struggle to secure a long term partner in their twenties,
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: they have their reproductive windows shortened and many end up childless.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: These dynamics suggest that trying to increase pair bonding rates
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: is the obvious way forward for nations hoping to avoid
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: a demographic collapse. Unfortunately, experts are unsure also of the
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: psychological causes behind reduced pair bonding. Among their suggestions for
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: what explains the decline in relationships are dating apps, political polarization,
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: a preference for singlehood, individualism, materialism, attachment issues, social media use,
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: economic inequality, and poor flirting skills not flirting flirting skills. Okay,
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: those elements could all play in, but we argue that
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: our era's dramatic reduction impair bonding has deeper roots. It
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: is grounded in our history as a species, and thus
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: we can take an evolutionary psychological approach to the complex
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: mating malaise that is afflicting a growing number of nations.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: Through investigating the six million year history of hominin mating,
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: we discuss the functions and sex differences of Homo sapiens's
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: short and long term sexual strategies, which are the foundations
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: of today's maladaptive mating. We then use the insights or
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: these insights into human mating psychology to analyze men's and
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: women's behavior on dating apps and in other dating contexts.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: Oh good lord, so we can't, of course. Do you
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: know who's conveniently omitted from the list the ideology that
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: explicitly said it was going to destroy pair bonding? Do
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: you notice that they just skip over that and at
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: the pervasive adoption of it in everything, government, corporation, academia, NGOs,
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: political systems. Everywhere it's been adopted and become primary. Divorce
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: lawyers love it, by the way, So you would think
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: that that would be a sign if divorce lawyers love
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: your ideology that you aren't for human pair bonding, like
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: you aren't actually promoting it. But no, it might be
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: like a moment where you'd be like, are we the batties?
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: Divorce lawyers seem to love us. Are we the batties
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: like no that never didn't even stop, just kept rolling along, right,
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: But yeah, we can't even identify that. We can't even
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: start there, or even not even start there. Just maybe
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: have it as part of the list. You notice that
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: Brian just completely skipped over.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm, I think we got another. Did I see
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: another super chat or something?
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: No?
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: I didn't. Oh yeah, no I did Superchow Dark. Kimora
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: got a super Chow through, So I guess that's working
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: now or or something. Okay, and says for five dollars
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: could watch it from the start today, we'll watch it
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: in full after it's done. Also, Lifetime aliony was just
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: abolished in Turkey. Let's celebrate. Well that's good. That's good, okay,
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: So yeah, back to this uh. Based on these investigations,
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: we argue that the modern world's uniquely resourced, rich, and
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: gender equal environments have triggered what we term a mating
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: equilibrium shift, possibly a main driver of today's declining pair
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: bonding and fertility rates in many nations. Female freedoms and
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: material prosperity see to motivate women to place greater emphasis
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: on short term strategies, non bonded mating. But in terms
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: of reproduction, these strategies are rendered maladaptive by contraceptives.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: We want to get in here, I'm going to get
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: in here. Okay. Women always had resources, and they were
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: always developing resources, especially in Northern European cultures. So this
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: doesn't explain it at all. Female freedoms and material prosperity.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: What do they mean by that? Right? Women always almost
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: always had freedom commiserate with the ability to create a
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: safe and comfortable environment. So if a culture was able
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: to create a safe and comfortable public commons, women would
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: be allowed to move about in it and pursue business.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: You see that you're in Rome in the Roman culture.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 2: Like ancient Rome, women were building businesses. In ancient Rome
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: they were thirty percent of the owners of brick founders boundaries,
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: and even higher percentages in more female dominated businesses like
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 2: tailoring or fabric making and beer and food production and
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: butchery like this has always been the case that women
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: had as much freedom as their men could afford to
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: give them, and material prosperity. Like when did it stop
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: where women were cap were inheritors? Like when did the
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: wealthy widow thing? Like this is not a thing throughout history.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: Of course, it was a thing throughout history. In the
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: Roman system, daughters inherited equally with sons, so and many
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: European cultures are based on Roman law. Common law is
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: also based on large parts on Roman law. So where
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: are they getting this idea that female prosperity. I'm sorry, Like,
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: there are very rich women throughout history that still got
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: married and had children. Consider Eleanor of Aquitaine, you know,
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: consider Queen Queen Victoria. Like this is this is ridiculous.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: And what they're doing is they're trying to associate the
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: loss of human pair bonding with things that they consider
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: non negotiable virtues, which are bullshit. Femininism didn't give women
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: the ability to have businesses and gain education. Okay, if
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: you look at the current educational system. Prior to universities,
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: universities used to be this weird fringe thing, and women
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: were women got involved in universities. Once getting involved gave
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: more benefit than it took because for a long time,
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: universities had to build up a reputation, and they did
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: so by the p by the men being involved in them,
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: doing things that people were interested in and found valuable.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: So men got involved in the university system, they built
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 2: up the reputation, they built up the value, and then
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: when participation in the university system gained the person participating
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: more value than it took in terms of expense, women
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 2: got involved, which is the usual record of all of
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: human history. We don't need feminism for that. We just
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 2: need male nature, because usually men are building these things
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: in order to benefit women to some degree down the road,
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 2: either as their wives or sometimes directly as their students.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: So there you go. You don't need feminism for that.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: This is assuming that feminism is responsible for these virtues,
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: and these virtues are in direct opposition with human pair bonding,
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: so what they're constructing is a false dichotomy in order
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 2: to retain the virtue of female education, the virtue of
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: female employment and women having resources, which everybody agrees throughout
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: all of human history was important unless you're talking about
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: the French, all right, but let's not talk about the French.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 2: They're weird, Okay. Everybody agreed that women having resources was important,
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: even in sumer Like the ancient Sumerian kings were like,
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: we're going to give legal provisions for widows, right because
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: we think and also dowry for girls that are poor,
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: because we think giving resources to women is important, like
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: this is a universal throughout all of human history, and
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: they are trying to pretend like this is a feminist
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 2: virtue and that we can't have this virtue and we
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: can't see women being educated, women having resources, we can't
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: have that and pair bonding. Do you see what they're
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 2: doing here? All right? And then they wonder why everything
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: gets worse because the truth is that women having resources
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: and women having education was never in opposition with female
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: pair bonding, at least definitely in northern European cultures, probably
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: likely true everywhere. Right, they're making these false dichotomies. They're
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: making you force. They're forcing a choice in order to
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: prevent the actual solution, or to forestall the actual solution,
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: or even recognizing the actual solution. Because once you acknowledge
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: that most human societies wanted women to have resources and
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: the means to build those resources and enjoy those resources,
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 2: and receive those resources from their families and use those
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: resources to build families of their own, and that they
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: also were okay with women's education, which is why a
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 2: lot of elite women got a lot of education, right,
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: they were all okay with that. Then you have to
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: realize that something else must be wrong right with our society.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: And it's not that women are working, because do you
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 2: think that in a hunter gather society women didn't work
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 2: or didn't have material resources. No. Do you think that
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: throughout all of human evolution that women didn't have material work,
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: no material resource. Do you think that they didn't have
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 2: whatever education was required for them to navigate their environment. No,
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: that was always an aturnal That is a constant throughout
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: human history, and it is a constant that those societies
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 2: wanted to give those things to their women. So something
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: else changed. And when you point to those things and
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: then you say, well, feminism made those things, which they didn't.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: It didn't. Human nature makes those things right. And then
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 2: you say, well those things are the problem, you're basically
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: saying to everybody, Well, in order to have children, you
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: have to all become demons. You have to all define
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 2: the fundamental desires that you have to make sure that
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 2: your daughters are educated and have resources and are protected
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 2: through the process of reproduction. You have to deny that
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 2: in order to reproduce. And this false dichotomy is why
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: our reproduction is being destroyed, and this false dichotomy is
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: created by feminism and also people like this perpetuating it.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, I got a super chat. It's okay,
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: and then I'm going to read some more. So mister
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: Neubid gave us five dollars and said, Simona and Malcolm
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: found extreme European birth rate dropped after industrialization started and
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: less working from home from like TFR eleven to eight.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: What the TFR eleven eight stands for? But yeah, well
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: you talked about that on this channel too. I mean,
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: industrialization did, but we were still like above replacement rates.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: So and it was only industrialization that allowed feminism as
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: a movement to grow as well, because it was happening
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: around the same time.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: I think.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: So I wouldn't blame industrialization because I think that there
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: are plenty of people who are doing just fine in
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: the modern world and we're still living in the best
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: time in history. It's just that women, Well, that's it.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: It's just that women.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that women have been sold a bill of goods. Yeah,
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 2: they've been sold a bill of goods, right, and they
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 2: don't realize that they've been told that they have to
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 2: adhere to this destructive belief system that encourages them to
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 2: engage in the worst choices about their own lives or
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: they're going to be taken advantage of by men. And
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: yet what they describe wanting being seen, they can only
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: get from men. And yet feminism insists that men. That's
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 2: the thing that feminism insists most on, that men will
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 2: never actually see women. You will never be seen by
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 2: a man. So when a man pair bonds with you,
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: it's about you being an object, not a person, not
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: somebody who is seen with absolute fidelity like uh and
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: who who someone who will grow to love every things
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 2: about you that you that the social web would never
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 2: acknowledge is acceptable, right like, like you can only ever
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 2: be seen by a man who loves you. And feminism
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 2: insists to women that men can never love them and
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 2: that they can never get that from men. And then
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 2: we wonder why pair bonding is going into a nosedive,
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: And it is women. It's women who are getting suckered
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: into this nonsense, and they are gaining the they are
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: reaping the whirlwind of misery because of it. All right.
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: Also, one last thing about this too. They say that
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: they female freedoms and material prosperity seem to motivate women
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: to place greater emphasis on short term strategies non bonded mating.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: So this this only operates under the assumption that firstly,
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: children don't need fathers, so they're basically like we'll just
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: have them and that. Secondly, and more importantly, that children
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: don't need like a lot of support when they are born.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: Like human beings are not like you know, foals, you know,
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: like like horses, horses like that are born are walking
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: within like what a few minutes. Like deer that are born,
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: they start walking around shortly after they're born, and they're
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: basically like on their own. Humans we don't work that
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: way like we babies. Our infants are vulnerable for like
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: a year at least, right, I mean, like they were.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: They remain vulnerable for a long time.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 2: So you know people, Yeah, children don't actually can't keep
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 2: up with adults until they're probably uh like maybe ten
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: nine ten.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So you got to invest a tremendous amount of time,
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: require a tremendous amount of investment.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 2: Just to get to the point where they can keep
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 2: up to you physically. That's not even that's not even
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 2: full like maturity in terms of tool use skills and
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 2: being useful to the group, fully useful to the group,
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: or reproductive maturity like that takes even longer, and reproductive
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 2: maturity for for humans involves a lot of social skills,
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 2: you know. And so it's it they like human children
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 2: are the most difficult children to get to the point
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 2: of reproducing themselves on the in it like our life
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: cycle is insanely difficult, and that would explain why women
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: want to pair bond before they're willing to even embark
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: upon it. And the the idea that female freedoms of
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 2: material prosperity seem to motivate women to place greater emphasis
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 2: on short term strategies. No, it's just a dysfunction, right.
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: And this is this is a terrible strategy. This is
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: like a civilization.
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 2: It's not a strategy. It's a dysfunction. Like they've turned
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: sexuality into a status competition, and they basically like the
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: entire hookup culture is a dysfunction. I'm sorry, guys, it's
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: a dysfunction. And I know this is going to be
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 2: like this the much refuted SEXI don people like this
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 2: is like SEXI don is nonsense and one of the
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 2: most plain and simple empirical bits of evidence that proved
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 2: that human beings are not promiscuous and never intended to be.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 2: Is literally the STD load, the sexually transmitted disease load.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 2: Chimpanzees who are promiscuous breeders have a immune adaptation to
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: dealing with that. They don't have STDs like we do.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 2: We have STDs like a population, like they hit us
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 2: like a nuclear bomb. Because we were never intended to
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 2: be screwing around to this degree.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: And I know that STDs that that's probably offensive to people.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 2: And if again, if we were, I don't even know
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 2: if there's like gregarious promiscuous species, but if we were
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 2: intended to act in this way, our immunees would have
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 2: evolved to control it. And that's that's the problem. It
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 2: hasn't like we were not.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: Your mic is breaking up a lot right now.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 2: Oh really interesting. There's a bit of rain out there,
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 2: so maybe has it been breaking up all this time?
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: No, it just started, but it's fine now.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 2: Okay, Well what I was saying, Okay, well, maybe just
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 2: read some more. I think I got.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: All right. Low fertility societies have thus entered what we
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: call the post pair bonding fertility trap, in which too
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: few stable couples from early and durably form early and
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: durably enough to sustain replacement level fertility. This trap is
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: a consequence of the female choice fertility paradox, when women's
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: free mate choices, combined with economic independence and effective contraception,
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: systematically favors mating strategies that undermine pair bonding and in
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: turn realize fertility.
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: No, what they're doing is that you're breaking up a lot.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: Do you have like a is there like a storm
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: or something like, yeah, it's probably Let me see if
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: your connection is good. I mean, your connection seems okay.
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: I don't know, if it's like your microphone.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 2: Go ahead, Okay, well I might be able to I'll
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 2: just I'll just.
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: It's not fine now you just he's not fine, now
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: all right?
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 2: It might just be It might I don't know, maybe
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 2: it's some kind of interference that's going on. If I
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 2: sound fine now I will continue. This is this is
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 2: ridiculous again. And this is why I bring up the
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 2: fact that women worked in the past, and they had
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 2: education in the past. The feminism didn't create that. What
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 2: feminism created was this idea that heterosexuality isn't a mutual project.
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 2: It is a status competition between men and women and
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 2: which women are oppressed. But that's what that's what happened, right.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 2: So the idea that and and the other thing is
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 2: that the Church already created women's free mate choice. Unless
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 2: you were a princess like you, you are generally freely
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 2: choosing your mate. Like that's that's the thing that one
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 2: of the things that the Church did, it replaced again
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: elder kin selection and marrying your cousin, was being able
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 2: to choose your own partner. And that didn't but that
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 2: the families are that were formed that way through women's
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 2: free mate choice and extended courtship in the church's model
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 2: were highly fertile, and that didn't impede para bonding. Okay,
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 2: so this is all wrong. They're forcing they're creating a
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 2: forced dichotomy and saying, well, unless we want to rape
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 2: women and keep them in chained to the dungeon we
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 2: we want, we just can't have children in a harper rk.
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 2: We just can't have pair bonds, like, well, that's nonsense.
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 2: The church proves the way the Church constructed marriage for
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: centuries proves that paara bonds can't exist with female make choice.
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 2: What are you talking about and can't exist with women's education. Men. Hell,
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 2: if you want to talk about pair bonds and women's education,
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 2: you can look at for throughout the medieval Church's history,
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 2: they sometimes had these experiments or they had monasteries with
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 2: mixed sex populations. Now for the most part, they kept
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 2: them apart, but they would still you know, interact, and
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 2: you're having like monks and nuns getting married, like first
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 2: they will the monastery like administration would be like could
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 2: you stop, like you do some penance and then see
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 2: if you can stop, And if they couldn't, then they'd
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 2: just be like, Okay, you're gonna have to become lay
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 2: and get married and become lay. You can still be
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 2: part of the community, but you can't continue to not
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 2: distained from sex while being you know, having monastic vows.
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 2: And that's what they do. So and you're talking about
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 2: like nuns were the most educated women in the Middle Ages,
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 2: and they still got paarabond, like, they still got married,
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 2: they still felt the call of the wild. So this
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 2: is and again like this is a forced dichotomy. They're
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 2: saying we either rape women and no longer educate them,
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 2: or allow them to have property, or we have a
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 2: birth rate, so we either do horrible things that everybody's
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 2: against or we die as a species. Like they're forcing
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 2: this dichotomy, and they're wondering why forcing this dichotomy is
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 2: resulting in nobody getting married.
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 1: Yep, Okay, it's okay. This is a new and unique situation.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: With the post nineteen sixties mating regimes, Western societies became
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: the first human communities for large counity in which individual
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: made choice became the norm. After practicing near universal arranged
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: marriage probability, I'm sorry, After practicing near universal arranged marriage
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: probably for hundreds of thousands of years, Homo sapiens were
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: finally free to choose their own partners, whether for committed
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: relations or casual sex. Not only do women now have
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: free made choice, but their professional empowerment has reduced men's
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: utility to them, meaning that women have less need for
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: the material resources men bring to a relationship. Consequently, women
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: exclude more men from their pool of potential partners. Empirical
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: research supports that when women are less dependent on men
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: for resources, they partner up to a lesser extent. Yeah,
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: because they're also convinced that they don't need men. I
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: think that's whatever. Female freedoms have brought tremendous benefits to society.
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: Oh here, here's the cope, here's the coke part. Guys. Oh,
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: this is a good thing. Though, this is a good thing.
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: Female freedoms have brought tremendous benefits to societies and to
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: both sexes in many respects, but experts have to have
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: often been reluctant to emphasize their relationship to ultra low fertility,
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: some fear and anti feminist backlash, a concern that may
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: have attributed contributed to a more avoidant communication strategy among
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: fertility researches, their unwillingness to properly sound the alarm and engage. Also,
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 1: the politically inconvenient drivers of the fertility crisis may be
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: the more comfortable option, but it could undermine female freedoms
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 1: in the long run.
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 2: See see what I'm saying. They're forcing it. There's a
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 2: forced dichotomy here.
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 2: They're trying to say that you got to abandon the
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 2: things that people find valuable, and throughout history this is
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 2: what they've found valuable. They want to make sure that
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 2: their daughters have material resources. I mean, you look at
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 2: Florence that they voted to like legislate this that men
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 2: had to if they had a daughter, that they had
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 2: to pay into a pension fund for her, not for
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 2: their sons, just their daughters. You know, this is a
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 2: this is a thing throughout all of human history and
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 2: right back to Sumer taking care of the orphans and
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 2: the dowries of poor poor girls. Right. So they're basically
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 2: saying that everybody, if we want to reproduce, we have
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 2: to disavow the things that everybody agrees are good. Yeah,
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 2: we have to disavow being a human in order to
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 2: reproduce as humans, we have to disavow our humanity. Yeah,
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 2: that's that's a false dichotomy right there.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, all right. Using the gender inequality Index from
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 1: the Human Development Report and national fertility rates from World
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 1: Population Prospects United Nations, we found a very strong correlation
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: between gender equality and low fertility. The more gender equal
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: to nation is, the lower its fertility rate tends to
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: be accelerating the pace of its demographic collapse. Such a
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 1: high association needs to be considered in earnest, even if
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 1: it's uncomfortable. So they're like, you know, what can we
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: talk about this. I mean it could it's kind of
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 1: like potentially destroying everything, but can we please it's the
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: gender inequality index. So I guess like down here you
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: have like the lowest reproduction down to the bottom left.
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 1: It's like what, maybe I gotta see where's South Korea?
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 1: That's how that's like my north star. Where's South Korea?
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: They don't have South Korea here? I don't see it
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: one What where one point?
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 2: South Korea is at one? Oh?
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there it is South Korea down here with the Netherlands. Yeah,
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: so these places are the low end Canada, Italy, Singapore,
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: South Korea. You know, even Israel made the list down here,
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: United Kingdom, New Zealand, Japan that Japan is doing very poorly,
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: to China, Poland, Malta. And then you go up here
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: where it's higher, you got like the Congo, Chad, Niger, Somalia, Maali, Afghanistan.
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 1: I mean a lot of this has to do with
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: like having enough kids because like they might die off
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 1: or something, so you need to like it's like our
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: our strategy, like our reproductive strategy as opposed to a
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 1: arm sorry, yeah, are as a opposed to the other one.
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 1: But okay, and then yeah, go ahead.
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, no, no, finish, finish, sorry no, no, no.
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying this is the chart. I don't want
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 1: to spend too much time on this, but like that's
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 1: basically the that's what it is. But even these places
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 1: are are changing anyways, like we said earlier, so they're
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 1: trending down All the.
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 2: Sub Saharan African countries are trending downwards. Everywhere everywhere has
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 2: the same problem. And incidentally, we have NGOs and exporting
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 2: feminism to all of those places. But also it might
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 2: it might also be an effect of again like the
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 2: endocurrent architecture, so the lack of the one a cross
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 2: activation in women as things get more comfortable, and it
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 2: might be a chicken of the egg. Whether or not
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 2: feminism is an effect or exacerbates that, who knows. Maybe
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 2: it's even a form of correction. Since the environment is
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 2: so safe. They try to pretend men are as dangerous
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 2: as bearers in order to get that stress up to activate.
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 2: But it seems a bit self defeating, all right, So
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 2: the paper's historical framing is wrong on the location of
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 2: consent being important to pair bonding. It places free market
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 2: choice at the Second sexual Revolution seventeen fifty, with individual
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 2: partner selection enabled by wage labor and mobility and frames.
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 2: The third nineteen sixty eight is when it became fully autonomous.
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 2: The medieval Church established the principal censuries centuries earlier. The
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 2: sacramental theology of marriage held that the couple confects the
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 2: bond the two parties. Mutual consent is the sacrament, not
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 2: the family's arrangement, not the lord's permission, not the priest's blessing,
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 2: the couple's free consent. The priest is a witness, not
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 2: a maker. This is the Church's position from the twelfth century.
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 2: The same periods the paper identifies the first sexual revolutions
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 2: institution of lifelong monogamy. So their first sexual revolution, which
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 2: they characterize as arranged marriage but individual mate preference is
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 2: more important, actually contained the theological foundations for free mate choice. Now,
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 2: this doesn't mean that in like the twelfth century, they
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 2: weren't also practicing dowry. In fact, they probably were. The
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 2: Church was simultaneously imposing lifelong monogamy and asserting that the
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 2: bond requires the freak incent of both parties. Okay, if
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 2: you look at the Song of Solomon, which is in
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 2: the valuable. I did an analysis on this. It sort
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 2: of presents the pair bond is prior to institutional sanction.
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 2: The couple is confecting the bond. So they are the
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 2: ones that are like the bond is happening to and
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 2: they are the ones whose recognition of the bond is
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 2: what's most important. So the marriage the bond is something
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 2: that sort of like comes through God in the church,
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 2: and then the church ratifies it. Right, It doesn't create it.
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 2: The institution recognizes it, doesn't create it. The paper's errors
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 2: and treating free market make choice as a product of
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 2: economic modernization. The theological infrastructure was medieval. What changed in
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 2: seventeen fifty wasn't the principle, It was the practical ability
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 2: to exercise it without family economic consequences. So they're taking
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 2: this and they're saying, oh, well, this is the first
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 2: time you were divorced from requiring an extended family to
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 2: produce children, so you no longer needed to at least
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 2: get their approval or their consent right to appropriate their
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 2: resources for your reproductive projects. What changed, and what changed
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 2: in nineteen sixty eight was an autonomy. It was contraception
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 2: severing the consequences of exercising it. The distinction matters because
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 2: the paper's framework assumes free mate choice is the novel,
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 2: and therefore is novel, and therefore psycho psychology hasn't adapted
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 2: to it. The Church's positions suggest humans have been exercising
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 2: consent based mate choice within institutional structures for eight hundred years.
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 2: The novelty isn't choice, it's consequence free choice, right. But
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 2: the other thing is that this is probably even older
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 2: than the Church, because because Romans also had something similar,
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 2: like they would have dances where young people would get
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 2: to know each other so very it was like in
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 2: some ways it was a similar cultural landscape. And yes,
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 2: elite people always controlled the reproduction of their children because
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 2: it was all about resources and lineage and property and
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 2: you know, family, the benefit of the family. But for
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 2: the average person, they had a lot more freedom of
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 2: choosing who they were partnered with. And that's been the
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 2: case for eight hundred years. This paper isn't recognizing historical
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 2: reality in order to assert that somehow women being able
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 2: to choose their partners is some new thing that happened
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 2: in the last fifty years, fifty sixty years. No and
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 2: they're doing it to force the false dichotomy, which is, oh, well,
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 2: if you want the human race to continue, you're just
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 2: going to have to take away women's consent. Do you
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 2: want to do that? And nobody's going to sign on
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 2: to that. They are shaping the solution space by forcing
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 2: this dichotomy, and they're shaping the solution space to the
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 2: point where it no longer includes the solution. Okay, continue, Brian, all.
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 1: Right, I got a super chowl from Richard Bierre here.
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 1: He gives us five dollars and says, isn't it also
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 1: a factor that an industryalized technological nations that around ten
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 1: percent of the population is producing the majority of the
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 1: goods and services for everyone else. Let's not overlook the
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 1: glamorization of the Sex and the City lifestyle and how
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: Cosmopolitan magazine also promoted the single woman lifestyle with a
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 1: writer's room staff with married women who had families at home. Yeah,
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 1: that's all feminist stuff. Like Sex and the City. That's feminist, bro, Cosmo,
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 1: all those women's magazines, very much so. But okay, the industrialization,
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 1: I don't know, Like, Alison, do you want to take that? Uh?
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I did that's gonna be a large digression. Let's
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 2: keep going.
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 1: All right, We're gonna keep going. We got about ten minutes,
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 1: so all right. On the analysis that follows, we posit
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 1: that a further individualization of reproduction could be an effective
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 1: means for solving the fertility crisis. If we are unlikely
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 1: to sufficiently decrease I'm sorry, if we're unlikely to sufficiently
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 1: increase pair bonding rates, policymakers should consider other means for
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 1: helping women have the number of children that they themselves
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 1: say they want.
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 2: Use this is what they just did. Yes, yes, yo, guys.
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 2: In order to increase pair bonding, we would have to
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 2: take away women's women's reproductive freedom. We'd have to take
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 2: away women's right to consent, we'd have to rape women,
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 2: and we'd also have to take away their ability to
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 2: get education and work.
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, but it's like the number that they
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 1: themselves want though, so I think you know that this
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 1: is consent kind of.
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 2: No. But it's the thing is that that the false
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 2: dichotomy is that any of these things bear on the raid.
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 2: They don't. The Church gave individual couples, including women, that
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 2: they made it a sacrament that the woman consent to
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 2: marriage like a precondition for the Church to actually recognize
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 2: the marriage. Since the twelve hundreds and while before, incidentally,
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 2: women have worked and had property, especially in Roman law jurisdictions.
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 2: Gaelic law is something completely different. But again, the French
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 2: are weird. We don't need to discuss them, you know.
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 2: So women have always had property in Roman law, they
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 2: inherited with equally to their their brothers. Right. And in
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 2: those jurisdictions where men inherit more, there are social expectations
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 2: that they provide for the women in their life, not
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 2: just their their their wife, but also their widowed mother,
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 2: their maiden on a maiden sisters, like their spinster sisters. Right.
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 2: So a man who you had any kind of inheritance
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 2: or income would be expected to be taken care of
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 2: a whole web of women. Right. So again, women have
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 2: access to material resources throughout all of human history, and
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 2: they've also had access to education. So it is a
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 2: complete false dichotomy to present these are the three things
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 2: that you have to destroy in order to create pair bonding.
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 2: You see what I'm saying. That's what they've done, and
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 2: I'm saying that they are closing off the solution space
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 2: with this false dichotomy, it's like, yeah, these are irrelevant again.
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 2: Since the twelve hundreds, women have had free choice, they've
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 2: had education, like verifiably and well before then most likely
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 2: as well, they've had free choice, they've had free education,
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 2: or they've had the ability to get educated. They've had
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 2: the ability to command resources right and build up their
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 2: own resource base. That's where Dowries came from. Okay, and
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 2: they still got they still pair bonded and had children,
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 2: and there was substantial fertility, and they've had all of that,
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 2: including up until nineteen sixty eight. So everything that they're
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 2: saying that causes women not to pair bond and not
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 2: to have children is a false dichotomy. It has nothing
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 2: to do with the issue. All it's doing is constraining
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 2: the solution space and making it so that only their
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 2: solution seems viable because they're forcing everybody to either acknowledge
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 2: that we have to do something nobody wants to do,
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 2: which is impoverished women, which is take away their educational opportunities,
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 2: which has essentially removed their right to consent right, and
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 2: very few people are going to sign on to that, Okay,
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 2: And that's the only way forward to increase fertility, and
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 2: that is a complete bald faced lie. And then they
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 2: offer their solution, which is what more communism.
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, a surprise, which is essentially just making
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 1: men pay into the system to raise their kids for
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 1: them and raise them poorly by the.
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 2: Way, Yes, yes, exactly. And they're forcing this solution space
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 2: by framing what the act where the actual infertility is
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 2: coming from, and it isn't coming from there. Okay, Like, honestly, guys,
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 2: when women had free choice, when they had their own
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 2: material goods, and if you're waiting till your late twenties,
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 2: you probably have more skills, more education, and more physical
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 2: resources as a woman. Yeah. And and they had their
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 2: own education, right, they had all of that. They still
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 2: chose to get a man and have a relationship with him.
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 2: Women don't need to be in a situation of depredation
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 2: to want a man. This is the assumption that feminists make,
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 2: and the assumption that these people make, and they do
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 2: it to justify feminism, and they do it to justify communism.
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 2: That's not exactly what they're doing right here, Okay.
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 1: Okay, So I got a super chat from Senior sticks
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 1: for two dollars. Thank you, Senior sticks and says human
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 1: matchmaking is an occupation for a reason. All right, thank you.
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 1: All right. So where was I based on? Oh yeah, no, no,
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 1: it's rare. This would entail offering women the resources necessary
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 1: for them to conclude that having children alone is a
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 1: better alternative than remaining childless. Today, such large resource transfers
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 1: are perhaps politically and fiscally unfeasible, but nations should consider
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 1: limited reproductive policy experiments to find out what social and
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 1: economic resources are required to motivate sufficient individualistic reproduction in
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 1: our post automation future, perhaps as early as by twenty forty.
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 1: Insights from these pilot projects could inform national policies with
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 1: the potential to substantially increase fertility. So we're going to
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 1: become cyborgs, guys, so that women can stay like super liberated.
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 2: And ironically it's not super liberated because they always like,
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 2: this is the thing. This isn't the false dichotomy that
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 2: I'm talking about. It was that the issue is not
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 2: female liberation or non liberation. The issue is that we
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 2: have an entire ideology that claims that women lose everything
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 2: if they get in a relationship with the man, and
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 2: there are a lot of women who believe it. Like it.
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 2: You you put women in a situation where they have
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 2: I don't even think there's this doesn't even happen in
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 2: the cultures with the cousin marriage, right this okay? So
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 2: you you you take away everybody's choice. You take away
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 2: the men's choice too. So you know you want to
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 2: marry your your your three hundred pounds, you to to
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 2: brow cousin. That's gonna be your choice, and it's gonna
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 2: be made for you. You can't choose someone you desire.
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 2: It's just basically someone in the klan who's chosen for you.
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 2: All right, everybody's everything is selected for you know, autonomous. Well,
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 2: that's not gonna change the fertility problem, because India has
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 2: a fertility problem. Like all of the Middle East that
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 2: practices this also has the fertility problem. And you know what,
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 2: India also has a feminism problem. You know what the
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 2: Middle East has. I know this is going to shock people.
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 2: A feminism problem. Do you know what? Northern Europeans have
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 2: a feminism problem. And if you really want to think
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 2: that that that liberation and economic opportunity and education stops
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 2: women from having para bonds and having children. Then you
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 2: have to argue with medieval Europe, Northern your medieval northern Europe,
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 2: you have to argue with not the elite Romans, but
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 2: just the mass of Romans. Like one of the things
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 2: that Rome did is it reproduced its armies. That's why
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 2: in many ways it was very militarily powerful. And that
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 2: was because its middle to like lower class, was highly reproductive.
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 2: It's equestrian class, I think was too for a while, right,
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 2: so and and again, in these societies, women did have
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 2: the ability to acquire resources, they did have the ability
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 2: to be educated, they did have the ability to have
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 2: their own free choice. This isn't what killed them. What
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 2: killed them was very explicitly what the Jews pointed out
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 2: who lived through the fall of the Bronze Age, which
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 2: was women, saying that human pair bonding like men and
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 2: women getting together isn't a communal project, isn't like a
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 2: cooperative complementarian project. It is in fact women being subordinated
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 2: to men. That's the lilith energy that I talk about.
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 2: She turned sacred act into a status contest, and the
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 2: Jews recorded that as the civilization failure mode, and we
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 2: are living it. So I mean, like I said, liberation,
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 2: what do you mean by women's liberation? What does anybody
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 2: mean by women's liberation? Like feminists mean that if you
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 2: oppose feminism, you oppose everything good going to women.
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, yeah, I think that you need to
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 2: step out of that false dichotomy. And here they're saying,
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 2: if you don't accept more government intervention stealing from men
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 2: to give to women. But also, you know about an
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 2: eighty percent cut to the bureaucrats who adjudicate all of
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 2: these you know a little bit to the academics who
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 2: justify it. The bureaucrats who manage it. Gotta make sure
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 2: they get their cut in this transfer, and then whatever's
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 2: left over will go to the women and maybe they'll
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 2: have a they'll say they have more babies. They won't
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 2: actually have more babies. But like, this is ridiculous, and
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 2: it's all around this rhetoric around female liberation and the idea.
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 2: The fundamental idea here is not that women are being
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 2: liberated to have jobs or education, or make choices in
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 2: their reproductive lives or choices about their partners, because they've
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 2: always had that for a long time, especially in the West.
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 2: The idea is that women are being liberated from being
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 2: oppressed by men in marriage. They're being liberated from marriage
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 2: as an oppressive institution. That's what they mean. Everything else
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 2: is something that's happened in history. So what they really
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 2: mean by liberation is, I don't know. Women no longer
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 2: have to love men, even though loving men is like
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 2: a trillion dollar industry for women, Like the simulation of
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 2: being loved by a man, and loving a man is
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 2: women paid a trillion dollars to get it every year. Yeah,
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 2: so women are being liberated by the thing they spend
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 2: most on to get. I can't I can't even give
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 2: you an analogy for that. But it's so ridiculous. All right,
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 2: do you want to finish up?
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 1: Well? What would just read this last paragraph?
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 2: Sure, we'll stop there.
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 1: Okay, let me just double check to make sure there's
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 1: no super chats or anything. All right. Such financial transfers, however,
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 1: would further reduce men's utility to women and thus the
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 1: main value of some groups of men, likely exacerbating male marginalization. Still,
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 1: the existential stakes of the fertility crisis could justify such
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 1: drastic measures. Moreover, artificial womb technology might be available as
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 1: early as in the twenty forties, which could result in
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 1: greater reproductive equality between the sexes. The following investigation leads
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 1: us to conclude that the next step in human mating
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 1: may entail a greater individualization of reproduction, and that gender equal,
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 1: low fertility nation should prepare for this future as soon
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 1: as possible.
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 2: Okay, you know, and the wink in the in the
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 2: nod is that, oh man, we're gonna create the lesbian
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 2: feminist utopia where men aren't even and then we're gonna
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 2: have AI and robots and we're gonna we're gonna make
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 2: gate to women's country and there'll be no men in Ah.
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 2: Like that's that's the the freaking that's the sub attacks here.
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 2: You know what's actually gonna happen. If they get artificial
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 2: womb technology, you're gonna have the Freemason or not the Freemason,
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 2: the Knights templar system. You're gonna have coalitions of men
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 2: raising children and I don't mean gay men, and they're
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 2: gonna be raising children that are so freaking superior to
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 2: the female, like the single mother children, that you're basically
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 2: gonna construct a caste system. They're gonna be male raised
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 2: children who will do everything, rule everything, and then there
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 2: will be female raised children who fill the prisons. I
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 2: guess yeah, and they don't have to be gay, like
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 2: these guys don't have to be gay. The Knight's Templar
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 2: they raised orphans and uh, and it was just a
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 2: coalition of men raising children, right, that's that is there
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 2: is historical precedent for that. You have like monks raising
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 2: familings and stuff like that. There's plenty of historical precedent
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 2: for male coalitions raising children. And that's exactly what's gonna happen.
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 2: You're gonna have super families, male coalitional superfamilies raising highly
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 2: socially adroit children, like with high degrees of skills, and
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 2: then you're gonna be you're gonna be setting those kids
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 2: up up with competition with the single other kids they're
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 2: gonna be They're gonna be a permanent underclass. And it's
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 2: not even one would even have to be in law.
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 2: They're just gonna be a permanent underclass because of emotional dysregulation,
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 2: because of criminality, because of poor social skills, because of
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 2: poor ability to acquire skills or work within systems, complex systems.
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 2: They're gonna be an underclass because they are literally inferior.
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 2: They're inferior products. And nobody in this this ridiculous article
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 2: is considering the fact that men raise children better. They're
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 2: gonna be like, well, liberate, yeah, waink nudge, men will
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 2: be liberated from women in raising children. Well, I don't
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 2: know if that's a society we really want, though. I'm
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 2: just saying this because I think that this is not
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 2: gonna go This is not going to play out the
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 2: way their smug assumptions suggest it's going to play out
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 2: if they actually manage it, I don't think it's gonna
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 2: I don't think this is gonna play out the way
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 2: you think it is. All right, ok, right, well, yeah,
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 2: do you have any anything to add to that?
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 1: No, I think you No, No, I think you covered
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 1: everything pretty well.
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 2: Or we could just try to get men and women
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 2: back together again, could try that. Yeah, it's a possibility.
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, the church probably won out because it just
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 2: gave men and women a better relationship system than what
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 2: was before. Like that, I honestly like it. There is
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 2: a big gap in the scholarship, which is how did
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 2: the church courtship plus individual consent system plus older like, no,
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 2: don't marry your cousin. How did this actually displace the
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 2: previous system of cousin marriage and elder kin arranging everything?
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 2: How did it displace it? There's a big gap in
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 2: the scholarship. So that's where my hypothesis comes in. Is
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 2: they out competed it on the free marketplace of romantic love.
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 2: And I know that that romantic love is verboten now,
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 2: but it's not the same kind as simpory because both
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 2: parties would be bringing in resources, both parties would be
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 2: expected to live up to ethical standards, be chased, disciplined,
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 2: et cetera. It's a bit different than what we see
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 2: in modern sympathy. But they out competed older systems because
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 2: they gave a better product in terms of relationships. So
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 2: maybe what we could do today is sort of take
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 2: a page from that book, get a better product in
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 2: terms of in terms of relationships and relationship formation. Hell,
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 2: maybe we could go back to the system that actually worked.
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 2: It's a thought. Anyway, Did you want to add anything
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 2: that to that, Brian, because I can all right if
• 2:06:20
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• 2:06:25
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• 2:06:27
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• 2:06:28
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• 2:06:30
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  Speaker 2: mating strategies. Yeah, and I look forward to seeing how
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  Speaker 2: they completely distort that into a false dichotomy that either
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  Speaker 2: like completely omits the effect of feminism. That's the big
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  Speaker 2: thing I noticed throughout all of this. We go through
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  Speaker 2: everything like, oh, well maybe gen Z doesn't know how
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  Speaker 2: to flirt, but we don't ever put the whole ideology
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  Speaker 2: that made heterosexuality radioactive. We never consider that to be
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  Speaker 2: a source of the problem. We just skip over and
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  Speaker 2: then we land on. Of course, the solution is more communism,
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  Speaker 2: more government intervention, which you know that'll be good for
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  Speaker 2: the divorce lawyers, the bureaucract the feminists and then eventually
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  Speaker 2: maybe women will get a few bucks and and there
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  Speaker 2: you go. The uh the life cycle justifies itself. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: all right, I can't wait anymore. Sorry, courn Strong. Let's go,
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  Speaker 2: Brian take it away.
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