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S6 227. Rod and Pete - Rethinking Eternal Security, part 1 · Millennial Mustard Seed

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  Hello folks, this is Princess. You are listening to the
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  Millennial Mustard. Seed podcast.
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  Thanks for listening. Don't forget.
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  To share with your friends. That's tough.
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  We're in a very tough spot. I think that what we're doing
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  right now is a great benefit and virtue because it's an end
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  around between this whole corrupt informational system,
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  media system. We claim to believe in a God who
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  spoke the universe into existence and literally raised
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  himself from the dead, and yet we're not going to believe that
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  anything else exists in the spirit realm, even though His
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  word tells us that they do. Their bodies weren't permitted
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  to go to sleep like humans do. And they weren't.
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  Permitted to go to heaven so they wander the earth you know
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  I've seen the eyes turn black to.
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  Unknown tongues. Being spoken.
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  These giants would love way up in the Highland, the young
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  Braves. The young men would hide up in
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  the trees and wait for one of these 12 footers to come walking
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  down the path and they would jump on them and kill them, drag
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  them back to the village and the village would feast on the body
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  freedom. Then people start to get
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  weapons, they start to get armor, they start to build
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  cities, they start to fortify their cities.
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  Now God looks down and there's violence everywhere.
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  The. Battle.
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  This war that we are at is not against each other.
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  It's against these principalities and these rulers
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  and these archons in the high places.
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  It's really worthwhile to read the Bible yourself.
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  Fear is one of the primary drivers of mind control because
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  we have to take every thought captive and resist fear.
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  You're going to have a testimony that is a justice case against
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  the Kingdom of darkness. Welcome back to another mini
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  episode. This is Pete from the Days In
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  All podcast and I'm here with Rod.
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  Good to be here with you again Pete, enjoying these mini
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  episodes. That's right.
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  Rod, of course from the Millennial Mustard Seed podcast.
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  And, and he and I've been doing these many episodes for a while,
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  as you guys know, and we're starting something new this
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  time. And that is to kind of string
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  together a series along one topic and taking a deeper dive
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  in it, but in bite sized chunks in many episodes.
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  And this one might be 567 parts. We're not so sure yet.
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  I pictured 5, but I could see it going more so this was something
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  that boy I I'm trying to think of how it came to me exactly,
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  but it it felt like a Holy Spirit kind of shining a
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  spotlight on something that is very contentious with very
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  debated in Christianity. And that is the idea of eternal
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  security, or once saved, always saved.
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  And I've had my opinion, of course, as many of you I'm sure
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  have, on that topic, strong opinions, especially when we
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  look at Scripture one way or the other, because there's verses
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  that seem to clearly point to that and verses that seem to
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  admonish us to stick with our faith and make sure we finish
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  the race. So we're going to take a look at
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  this today and we're going to start with an observation that
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  people leave the faith of Christianity.
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  We see that we see people, we don't know their hearts, but as
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  best we can tell, for a season, maybe for years, decades even,
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  people seem to have all all the marks of a genuine believer.
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  And at some point in their life, they walk away.
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  And so we're kind of left with two choices for how to explain
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  that. The way that I always thought of
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  it was, well, that person must not have been a genuine
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  believer. They were a false convert.
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  They were never really saved. They were like chaff or tears
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  among the wheat. Another way to think of it is
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  they were saved, but they actually fell away due to
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  circumstances or things in their life.
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  And so we're going to kind of start this off by looking at the
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  parable of the sower that's in several of the gospel accounts.
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  Little bit of variation between the the three accounts, but more
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  or less saying the same thing. So Rod, can you walk us through
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  that for reference? Yeah, just before I do, I just
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  want to mention something that is pretty strong and and I don't
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  want to say it's an epiphany, but it.
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  But as I'm listening to you, Pete, I'm realizing the seasons
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  for building, for laughing, for crying, right that Solomon talks
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  about. And just the perspective real
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  quick to present that there's times where I think people have
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  assumed some have walked away from the faith because the order
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  or the conduct of that person's walk no longer would fit into
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  the mold of the church, the building, which means they're
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  not showing up for prayer meetings.
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  They must be sitting and have lost their way, right?
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  Or, you know, they're no longer as jolly and happy as as they
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  were last year. And now the gossip flutters
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  through the people who have nothing to else to do with their
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  time and but the real, genuine believer.
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  The relationship is happening intimately with the Lord.
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  Dialoguing, wrestling through concepts, questioning reality
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  sometimes. And so just the perspective I
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  want to present before I read Matthew 13 is that the outward
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  appearance, we can't pay too much attention to it, although
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  it is a good way to understand what somebody's maybe their
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  habitual sin or their lifestyle is because if somebody's doing
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  something that's just clearly wrong, like, you know, crime and
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  just, you know, a really sinful life.
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  Yeah. It's easy to call it as you see
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  them. But sometimes there's desert
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  seasons. And I just wanted to mention
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  that because I don't want the audience to think because I've
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  been through those desert seasons and I've heard the
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  rumors about me that, oh, he's lost it.
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  And he never really was in the faith.
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  I've heard all that stuff. And I would just silently sit
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  there and be like, Lord, I can't fake it.
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  I need you. And I'm not feeling it right
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  now, but I love you and I trust you.
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  You. Who else would I turn to?
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  So I just wanted that to be a little bit of comfort for a
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  listener out there. I appreciate that, Rod.
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  Thank you for kind of rounding out as we get into this with
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  with that caveat or disclaimer, because you're right.
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  As we kind of explore this, I hope that you, no one hears Rod
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  or myself ever say that because you're struggling with sin or
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  your faith feels weak that you're, you're one of those two,
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  you're a false convert or you've, you've fallen away.
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  We're not going to say that. That's up to your allegiance to
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  God in your heart to decide that.
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  So we'll try to be very clear as we as we go along here and make
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  the distinction that someone who falls away and there's many
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  scriptures that talk about someone who, who is like that is
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  not someone who is going through that dry season.
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  That's this is something different.
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  This is, this is like an about face.
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  I've had enough of you, God, whether you say it in your heart
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  or verbally, I'm done. I'm done with this, this faith
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  life that I've tried to live and I'm going my own way.
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  And then some people do that, you know, without saying that
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  audibly or even saying it in their heart.
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  But overtime their heart becomes callous.
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  So we we don't want to make the the mistake of saying that a
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  season of feeling low or lost or carnal means you've fallen away.
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  This. This would be the person that
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  is, for all intents and purposes, shaking their fists at
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  God, saying I'm done. I was going to say that like
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  direct rebellion, like they want the reversal of what they know
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  is the way, right? And so Matthew 13, the parable
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  of the sower, that same day, Jesus went out of the house and
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  sat by the lake. Such large crowds gathered
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  around him that he got into a boat and he sat in it while all
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  the people stood on the shore. He told them many things in
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  parables, saying a farmer went out to sow his seed.
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  As he was scattering the seeds, some fell along the path and the
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  birds came down and they ate it up.
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  Some fell on rocky places where it did not have much soil.
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  It sprang up quickly because the soil was shallow, but when the
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  sun came up the plants were scorched, and they withered
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  because they had no root. Other seed fell among thorns,
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  which grew up and choked out the plants, and some seeds fell on
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  good soil, where it produced a crop 160 or 30 times what was
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  sown. Whoever has an ear, let him
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  hear. And I'll stop you right there
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  for a moment as Jesus tells this parable to unpack some profound
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  truths. And he's about to explain that
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  as the disciples ask, why do you speak in parables and what does
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  this mean? And so if we jump down to verse
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  18, Rod or sorry, 16, I'll, I'll add that out.
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  If we jump down to verse 18, Rod, can you continue with the
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  explanation of that parable? Absolutely, it says.
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  Listen then, to what the parable of the sower means.
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  When anyone hears the message about the Kingdom and does not
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  understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what was
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  sown in their heart. This is the seed sown along the
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  path. The seed falling on rocky ground
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  refers to someone who hears the word and at once receives it
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  with joy. But since they have no root,
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  they only last a short time. When trouble or persecution
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  comes because of the word, they quickly fall away.
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  The seed falling among the thorns refers to someone who
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  hears the word. But the worries of this life and
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  the deceitfulness of wealth choke out the word, making it
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  unfruitful. But the seed falling on good
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  soil refers to someone who hears the word and understands it.
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  This is the one who produces A crop yielding 160 or 30 times
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  that which was sown. So one way we can look at this
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  parable is that the power of the seed is the word of God, the
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  truth of the gospel, As Paul said, I am not ashamed of the
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  gospel, for it is the power of God unto salvation, right?
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  So, so that is inherent in every one of these seeds that are
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  thrown, whether it hits the rocky path, the rocky ground,
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  whether I'm going to say that again, whether it falls on the
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  path or on the rocky ground, amongst the thorns or on the
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  good soil. So what's the difference between
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  the four scenarios? The soil.
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  So you can think of the soil as the condition of our hearts.
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  The seed never makes it there at all.
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  Satan snatches it away. It makes it to the rocks that
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  have a little bit of soil there. So that seed is able to
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  germinate. It says the person receives it
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  with joy and it grows for a season, but it Withers and dies
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  when persecution and trouble comes because it has no root.
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  The roots were shallow, right? So you go through a difficult
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  season and you know, maybe your mom or your grandma dies before
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  you're able to able to handle it.
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  And you shake your fist at God and say God, if you were good,
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  that wouldn't have happened. And you walk away.
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  And you walk away because you didn't have the roots going
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  deep. You know, the seasons of life
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  are meant for our roots of faith to go deeper when the water is
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  not at the surface of the soil. This the roots have to go deeper
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  to find the water source to keep living.
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  And you can do this with your plants in your house.
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  If, if you water your plants everyday, you'll keep the roots
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  shallow, they'll have no reason to go any deeper.
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  But if you wait until the soil dries out just a bit, the roots
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  are going to have to go deeper. So this parable unpacks one
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  reason why someone believes for a time that seed germinates and
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  the plant even grows. You see a plant growing, but
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  then it falls away. And then the thorns is someone
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  who again the deceitfulness of wealth, the worries of life.
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  You can say the pleasure and the pain rod.
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  The pleasure and the pain make it unfruitful.
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  It's interesting to the wording of, of this section.
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  It says it's unfruitful. It doesn't say that it that it
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  withered and died. And I, I've wondered sometimes,
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  does that mean this person is unsaved because it, they just
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  didn't produce a fruit? Kind of hold that question in
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  your minds as you guys think about that for a while.
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  We're going to come back to that on another episode as we look at
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  Matthew 7. And then the last seed, of
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  course, falls among good soil. That was the heart that was able
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  to receive it. It wasn't hardened soil, right?
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  That seed was able to find water, find air, not go through
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  tough soil. And the roots went deep.
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  So it survived when there wasn't enough rain.
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  It survived when there was too much sun and it made it.
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  And I think that really explains Rod, just kind of the condition
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  of people that seem to have faith some that the seed never
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  germinates. Satan steals it away.
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  Maybe that's like the pearls before swine.
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  You could think of a street preacher and someone yelling and
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  swearing at them and saying I don't want anything to do with
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  your Jesus. That would be seed that never
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  germinates. Yeah.
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  And what's ringing a bell for me as I'm listening, Pete, is guard
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  your heart, for out of it flows the issues of life.
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  And so we're supposed to guard it, which means you're you're on
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  watch. And then I love what David said
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  in the Old Testament. He says I store your word in me
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  that I may not sin against you and it very much relates to the
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  condition of a field. If you would consider, you know
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  that this is how God is demonstrating the word interacts
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  with us. We guard it.
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  We store it up so that nothing prevents the yielding of good
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  measure in the perfect season. I'm enjoying these many
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  episodes, Pete, because even though I record them with you, I
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  listen to them myself a few weeks later.
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  You're kind of like, hey, I, I remember what we talked about,
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  but not not every detail. And it seems like it's the right
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  word in the right season and the right time.
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  So these minis are are not only good for me, but I know that
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  they're good for the listeners out there.
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  Yeah, I appreciate it, Rod. And so we're going to wrap up on
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  this one for now and continue with a Part 2 where we left off
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  talking about the difference between once saved, always saved
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  and eternal security. Is there a difference?
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  Those are often conflated as the same thing.
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  So with that, we'll wrap up. Thanks for listening, guys.
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  God bless. Goodbye.
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  I trusted in your word Many troubled nights, all that
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  darkness thought I lost my sight.
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  The devil shooting shots, trying to end my life.
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  But I'm covered by the blood, so I'm going to be all right.
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  I'm down one, but I'm up two. I've been down once, but it's
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  Love's true. I'm seeking this face, feeling
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  the grace. I'm running this race for
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  eternity. Space.
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  I need more love. Less tears, no more drugs, less
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  fears. The stress reel, the test.
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  Here I'm washing over everything up in my mind.
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  Pummel the devil. How's it feel?
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  You out of time. Lord God, you said you never
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  leave me. Lord God, you said you'd always
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  see me through. You'd always see me through
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  because these demons get to chasing after me.
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  Generational iniquity is everything I see when I look in
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  my family pictures because my baby pictures, they got me
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  crying like I'm just in the devil and I'm praying just real
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  hard in the spirit. I'm really feeling the Holy
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  Spirit is coming near me. I'm like Lord God be the way the
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  truth or life don't ever leave me.
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  Jesus Christ, I really need you tonight.
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  I'm like, Lord God, you put it on my heart, You moving in and
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  through me and you're erasing all the dark.
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  You're the way, You're the truth.
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  You're the lie. Lord God, you said you never
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  leave me. Lord God, you said, you'll
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  always see me through. You'll always see me through.
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  Lord God, you said you'll never leave me.
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  Lord God, you said you'll always see me through.
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  You'll always see me through. Yeah.
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  You justified the sentence to me.
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  I pray you don't. The penalty times I remember.
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  And think. About the penalty.
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  Desires of the heart brought rebellion, causing enmity.
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  Lord, you know the truth here. Despite who we pretend to be,
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  I'm giving you the enemy. This is what it looked like.
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  And This is why I took Christ. The one who gave the crook life.
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  Forgive me for my idol words. Every word I took life.
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  For times I should have stayed here.
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  For every step I took life. My God ain't desert me.
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  Chastised and mercy baptized and hurt me.
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  Yeah, I should have died.