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  Speaker 1: Past, check it out. But Joe Rogan experience train by Day.
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  Speaker 2: Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.
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  Speaker 3: H yeah, disclosure day very interesting.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm excited for all. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: He was always like way ahead of the curve when
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  Speaker 3: it comes to the whole uap UFO stuff, you know,
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  Speaker 3: with close encounters of the third kind. He had that
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  Speaker 3: French scientist that was essentially modeled after Jacques Pile. He's
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  Speaker 3: always been I would love to talk to him.
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  Speaker 1: I wonder how much he knows at an accident. Was
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  Speaker 1: he fed some information? Was he a part of disclosure
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  Speaker 1: the whole time? That's what I've always wondered.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, what does that mean, right, because there hasn't
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  Speaker 3: really been disclosure.
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  Speaker 1: No, But there has to be a slow process too, right,
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  Speaker 1: you think so, I don't think. I mean the whole
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  Speaker 1: idea is that they're just sort of normalizing it, right,
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  Speaker 1: neuro linguistic programming they call it. Where you're slowly getting
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  Speaker 1: people accustomed to these ideas, like the aspects of close encounters,
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  Speaker 1: for instance, where you have the radiation burns on the
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  Speaker 1: guy's face. You have a time travel component where these
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  Speaker 1: World War two soldiers get out of the craft with
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  Speaker 1: the Little Beans and the Bigger Bean, and I mean
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  Speaker 1: just just seeding our culture with those little bits of
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  Speaker 1: information that might help later on down.
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  Speaker 3: There that I was like in the seventies, wasn't it
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  Speaker 3: like when was Close Encounters?
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  Speaker 1: Uh? Yeah, I think it was the seventies, late seventies,
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  Speaker 1: early eighties maybe, yeah, either way, I mean, like a
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  Speaker 1: lot of stuff he's done, Like I rewatched the cob
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  Speaker 1: was it Jeff Bridges Starman. I think there's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of elements of disclosure in that too. Like I think
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  Speaker 1: there's just I don't know. I mean, obviously we don't
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  Speaker 1: know who's pulling the strings. We don't know what's going on,
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  Speaker 1: we don't know who's in charge. But it does make
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  Speaker 1: sense that if there's this thing that they know about
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  Speaker 1: that we're supposed to know about, leak it out, do
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  Speaker 1: it slowly, get in our culture, get it in our
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  Speaker 1: media in different ways.
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  Speaker 3: You know the hell put Off story right with George Bush,
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  Speaker 3: Do you know a story where they were talking about Okay,
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  Speaker 3: Hal talked about it on my podcast, but he also
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  Speaker 3: talked about it in the Age of Disclosure documentary where
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  Speaker 3: they brought him and a bunch of different prominent thinkers.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I watched that episode and I watched the docos.
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  Speaker 3: So to people that don't know, I'll just explain it.
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  Speaker 3: So they brought in him and a bunch of other
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  Speaker 3: prominent thinkers and they sat them down said, essentially, we
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  Speaker 3: have recovered crash UFOs, we have biological remains of these creatures.
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  Speaker 3: We are considering releasing it to the public, and we
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  Speaker 3: want to make an assessment of what are the pros
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  Speaker 3: and what are the cons. So we want to assign
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  Speaker 3: a numerical value that you know, you're estimating what kind
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  Speaker 3: of an impact it would be on government finances, religion, etc.
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  Speaker 1: Well, whether they should do it exactly whether or not
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  Speaker 1: they should release this information.
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  Speaker 3: And all of the people that were brought in came
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  Speaker 3: to the agreement that there was more con than there
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  Speaker 3: were pro and that formed their decision to not release it.
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  Speaker 1: And didn't say it first like he was pro disclosure.
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  Speaker 1: He was like, of course we should do this, and
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  Speaker 1: then after the conversation he switched teams and yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know about that. Maybe perhaps, I mean he said
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  Speaker 1: that he went into it thinking, well, yeah, obviously we
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  Speaker 1: should do this, and then sort of was convinced otherwise.
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  Speaker 1: After the conversation unfolded.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, how could you be convinced? Like, whose decision should
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  Speaker 3: it be? If some people know, everyone should know, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it's a humanity decision. It's I don't think it should
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  Speaker 3: be anybody's hand, in anybody's hands, no, to decide whether
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  Speaker 3: or not this information gets distributed.
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  Speaker 1: And the implications too, if they have zero point energy, Like,
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  Speaker 1: how would that solve the problems that we face today?
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  Speaker 1: There's so many ramifications of it that, Yeah, whose decision
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  Speaker 1: is it? And why has it been kept from us?
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  Speaker 1: I don't I don't buy that whole Like Orson Wells
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  Speaker 1: nineteen thirty eight, everybody woul freak out bullshit. I don't.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think that's the case, at least not anymore.
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  Speaker 1: There's gotta be something more to it than that.
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  Speaker 3: It would certainly have I don't know if they factored
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  Speaker 3: the sin, but a uniting element, like you remember the
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  Speaker 3: Reagan speech where we came in front of the United
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  Speaker 3: Nations where said, imagine how united we would be. We'd
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  Speaker 3: forget our differences if we were faced with an alien
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  Speaker 3: threat from another world. I mean, just knowing that we
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  Speaker 3: are all I mean, how old are you? Forty seven Okay,
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  Speaker 3: so you remember September eleventh. One of the things that
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  Speaker 3: happened after September eleventh was there was it was a
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  Speaker 3: horrible tragedy, but there was a beautiful result temporarily where
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  Speaker 3: everybody was really united, like really united, Like there was
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  Speaker 3: American flags and everybody's car in Los Angeles, you know,
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  Speaker 3: like the most ridiculous, progressive, sort of kind of you know,
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  Speaker 3: kind of fucked up place, but everybody became patriotic. And
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  Speaker 3: in New York everyone was friendly. I mean people were
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  Speaker 3: smiling and saying hi to each other on the streets.
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  Speaker 3: We had all decided that we were together and were
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  Speaker 3: faced with a real threat that we had to be united, and.
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  Speaker 1: I remember it, well, yeah, you're right. And then not
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  Speaker 1: to get too weird too fast here, but if there
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  Speaker 1: are aspects of sort of an all encompassing consciousness that
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  Speaker 1: unites us associated with the UFO phenomenon too, if we
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  Speaker 1: recognize that we are just fingerprints on the same hand
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  Speaker 1: or all iterations of the same over arching consciousness, if
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  Speaker 1: seemingly there is a part of that in the UFO phenomenon, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so how would that unite us as well? Even beyond
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  Speaker 1: the threat from outside like if we did start to
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  Speaker 1: understand that we're all part of the same sort of
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  Speaker 1: cosmic community.
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  Speaker 3: Sounds kind of weird to say that. It does sound weird,
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  Speaker 3: but have you seen the Apple show Pluribus.
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  Speaker 1: No, it comes up a lot worth watching.
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  Speaker 3: It's really good. Yeah, it's really good. It's very very original,
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  Speaker 3: very unique. But that is essentially what happens, and it
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  Speaker 3: has a negative aspect to it.
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  Speaker 1: There's a virus.
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to give away too much of it
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  Speaker 3: for people that want to watch the show because it's
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  Speaker 3: a really good show, but there's a virus that they
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  Speaker 3: get a signal from another world and they figure out
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  Speaker 3: what this signal is, and through this lab work, they
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  Speaker 3: reveal that this signal is some sort of the encoding
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  Speaker 3: of a specific virus. They work on this specific virus,
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  Speaker 3: it spreads and the entire planet becomes one consciousness except
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  Speaker 3: for a small number of people. It's a weird show.
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  Speaker 3: It's a really good show. I'm I don't want to
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  Speaker 3: explain any more of it like that with any spoiler alerts,
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  Speaker 3: but it's fucking great. But it's strange. It's like, wouldn't
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  Speaker 3: that be better? There's no crime, there's no this there's
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  Speaker 3: no better, and then it reveals all the problems that come.
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  Speaker 1: Along with that. Yeah, I'm gonna have to watch that
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  Speaker 1: as a counterpoint if anything else, because it makes sense
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  Speaker 1: to me that if everyone's kind of united as one, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: super organism of sorts.
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  Speaker 3: But but you lose all individuality, you lose all the
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  Speaker 3: fun parts about being an imperfect person, because we are
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  Speaker 3: an imperfect species. But that's also what makes great art,
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  Speaker 3: That's what makes great music, It's what makes great fun.
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  Speaker 1: Most creative people have the most trauma in their past
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  Speaker 1: mm hmm from what I've seen, And if you have
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  Speaker 1: zero trauma, you probably have sucky art, just stick figures
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  Speaker 1: and shit. I mean, I wonder why would be I mean,
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  Speaker 1: if they would even have a need for it. Expression
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  Speaker 1: it's getting your angry out right, or your angst, or
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  Speaker 1: your anxiety or depression, whatever it is, you're getting something else.
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  Speaker 1: I was telling my son that the other day. Obviously
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  Speaker 1: his name's you know, it's hard being in these bodies,
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  Speaker 1: especially going through puberty. You know, you're just like, what
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  Speaker 1: is this thing? I'm caring this little meat suit, you know,
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  Speaker 1: And and I was like, man, I was the same way.
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  Speaker 1: S Damn the same way, and I picked up instruments,
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  Speaker 1: I started painting, and I learned to play every sport
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  Speaker 1: I could physically play, Like, there's ways to get that out,
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  Speaker 1: you know, but it seems like a lot of that
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  Speaker 1: does come from just the anxiety and the are and
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  Speaker 1: you know, you're growing into yourself. You're starting to get
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  Speaker 1: the feels. You know, you look at women differently and
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  Speaker 1: it's like, what do I do with this? Well?
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  Speaker 3: Rechanges, it rewires the entire way you view the world.
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  Speaker 3: And meanwhile your body is physically changing and growing. You're like,
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  Speaker 3: what am I going to look like?
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  Speaker 1: Eventually? This is weird. It's so weird, you know, there's
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  Speaker 1: actually this in a small island in the Pacific. They
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  Speaker 1: have this weird characteristic where they start out as females.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody does. We all start out as females and you
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  Speaker 1: grow and then maleness is imposed on the developing fetus,
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  Speaker 1: but they don't until puberty because they're not sensitive to
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  Speaker 1: dihydro testosterone, the precursor to testosterone. So they grow up
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  Speaker 1: their entire life as girls, and then at puberty they
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  Speaker 1: turn into a boy. So they get raised as girls.
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  Speaker 1: They are girls, they're physically they have funerals. Not yet. Nope.
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  Speaker 1: What is there a planet? This is not. It's an
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  Speaker 1: island in the South Pacific. It's called pseudo hermaphroditism. Weird,
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  Speaker 1: I know. I learned about this in gradical school. Well,
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  Speaker 1: they look like they look like girls, whatxactly like girls?
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  Speaker 1: They are girls? And then the ovaries descend as testicles
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  Speaker 1: and the glitters grows out into a penis. Wow, So
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  Speaker 1: you think puberty is are enough already. These people turn
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  Speaker 1: into the opposite sex at age like twelve or thirteen.
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  Speaker 3: It's wild, man, So is this a bizarre genetic anomaly?
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  Speaker 1: Is this something to do with it? Yeah? So a
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  Speaker 1: lot of times on islands you get like really strange
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  Speaker 1: characteristics of people because of the isolation that and those
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  Speaker 1: characteristics get selected just through genetic drift alone. So it's
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  Speaker 1: a small population, so just probably one person had this
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  Speaker 1: really weird trait where they're insensitive to dihydrotestosterone, and then
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  Speaker 1: it spread throughout more of the population. It doesn't do anything,
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  Speaker 1: it's not something natural selection would select against. It's just
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  Speaker 1: weird as shit. What is the name of this island.
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  Speaker 1: I don't remember the name of the island, but the
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  Speaker 1: condition is called find it. I think it's Malo Island
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  Speaker 1: and Vanadu or that sound. Oh yeah, how many people
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  Speaker 1: were on that island that says there's a population in
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  Speaker 1: nineteen sevent nine, twenty three hundred people. Yeah, and think
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  Speaker 1: historically different kinds of.
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  Speaker 3: People there are something two different kinds of cultural groups.
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  Speaker 1: Isn't that wild? Though? Man? I remember hearing about that
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  Speaker 1: in grad school at Ohio State and I was just like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, what ques so strange?
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure you've seen those people, the ostrich feet people
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  Speaker 3: in Africa.
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  Speaker 1: Huh huh.
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  Speaker 3: It's a very strange genetic anomaly where they don't grow toes.
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  Speaker 3: They essentially have two very wide appendages.
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  Speaker 1: Weird.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they look it looks like a like a like
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  Speaker 3: a weird bird foot. It's very strange. But a bunch
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  Speaker 3: of people in this particular tribe share this trait.
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  Speaker 1: Is there any advantage or it's just it's like this
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  Speaker 1: where it just kind of happened, And.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know, I don't know. I mean, I
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  Speaker 3: don't know what advantage there would be.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe it's it's maybe it's maybe sexy to them. It's
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  Speaker 1: just like maybe you could move better with it. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know. It's it's that's what they look like. Whoa, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how I haven't seen that. That's wild
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  Speaker 1: and they're crazy. I mean it is kind of sexy.
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  Speaker 3: If that's what you're into. Dog that's been going on
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  Speaker 3: for ve dooma.
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  Speaker 1: See that seems like more of like a defect that
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  Speaker 1: just work towards fixity in the population. Maybe not, but it.
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  Speaker 3: Just makes you wonder, like, why don't we it's in
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  Speaker 3: Zimbabwe apparently, why don't we all have that? You know, like,
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  Speaker 3: what is what is the reason why we have all
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  Speaker 3: these toes that it's called electrodactyl Yeah, that electrodactyly.
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  Speaker 1: I mean historically prehistorically evolutionarily. I should say, if you
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  Speaker 1: did have something like that and you were a hunter gather,
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  Speaker 1: you're kind of boned. You know, you're not going to
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  Speaker 1: be able to run after gazelle.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe you can. It's like says, their
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  Speaker 3: feet are well adapted to the Zimbabzi's oh Zambasi not
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  Speaker 3: zimbabwe Zimbazi Valley's rough terrain, allowing them to move quickly
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  Speaker 3: and efficiently through the land.
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  Speaker 1: All right, I take it back, what kind of makes sense?
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  Speaker 3: Right, because what it's saying is that their their bones
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  Speaker 3: are fused. If you scroll up, it'll say the condition
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  Speaker 3: affecting Austric footed tribe genetic mutation passed down through generations,
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  Speaker 3: causes the bones and the feet to fuse, resulting in
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  Speaker 3: a claw like structure with two large toes. Toes are
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  Speaker 3: very vulnerable. I don't know if you were broken a.
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  Speaker 1: Toe, but I broke on an hour before I got
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  Speaker 1: on the plane to come here. Really have you can
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  Speaker 1: see my left foot? Oh that's hilarious. It's ridiculous. The
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  Speaker 1: whole thing is just purple. Yeah, they're so small, like
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  Speaker 1: my piece of toe.
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  Speaker 3: I was messing around with my pinky tel the other
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  Speaker 3: day because I have to trim my toenails, right, and
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  Speaker 3: the pinky toe is like barely a nail. It's so tiny,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm like, God, this little thing is so vulnerable,
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  Speaker 3: and it has to support my entire body weight or
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  Speaker 3: part of my entire body weight.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you can, it's jacked. That was like right
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  Speaker 1: before I was coming down. I'm like, you kidding me?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I've broken a bunch of toes. It's it's
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  Speaker 3: very very annoying. You and you would imagine if you
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  Speaker 3: had two giant fucking elbow bones down there instead of
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  Speaker 3: these bitchy ass little toesies.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, maybe that's why they did it. Maybe that's what
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  Speaker 1: they got going on.
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  Speaker 3: Kind of makes sense that that would be an adaptation
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  Speaker 3: invincible feat. Yeah, well, you know, we're we're so vulnerable,
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  Speaker 3: we're and that's one of the weirder things. Like, So,
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  Speaker 3: first we should get into what you do, because you have, uh,
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  Speaker 3: you have a very interesting theory. Tell everybody what your
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  Speaker 3: background is first of all.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, that does seem a good place to start.
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  Speaker 1: My background is in anthropology and biological anthropology. My research
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  Speaker 1: mostly focuses on evolutionary anatomy, biomedicine. Have done some archaeology
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  Speaker 1: various places around the world, in Montana. But the reason
• 13:47
  Speaker 1: I'm here, I assume because according to my friend Matt,
• 13:50
  Speaker 1: we were we were butchering a mule deer I think
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  Speaker 1: I shot, and I was like, yeah, I gotta go
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  Speaker 1: this conference. And I was like, do you want to
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  Speaker 1: know what it's about? He's like, nobody gives it about
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  Speaker 1: what you do other than the UFOs Man's right, Like
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  Speaker 1: I did. Actually used to do a lot of what
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  Speaker 1: I thought was cool stuff, But no, the main thing
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  Speaker 1: is that I've become known for advocating for this idea
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  Speaker 1: that UFOs and the aliens are actually a time traveling
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  Speaker 1: future human descendants. I wouldn't even say as opposed to extraterrestrials,
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  Speaker 1: because I do think that's a component too. I oftentimes
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  Speaker 1: get pigeonholed. People are like, Oh, you just think they're
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  Speaker 1: all time travelers. I don't. I actually say this all
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  Speaker 1: the time, but it doesn't matter. I do think there's
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  Speaker 1: a lot going on. But my background and the reason
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  Speaker 1: I approach this question this way is because there's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of characteristics of these aliens that look so hominin.
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  Speaker 1: They look just like us, and specifically what we'd expect
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  Speaker 1: to see in our hominine future if the same evolutionary
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  Speaker 1: trends continue into the future. So I kind of just
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  Speaker 1: tie those things together. And even the saucer shaped craft
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  Speaker 1: seemingly are time machines themselves. So that's kind of the
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  Speaker 1: cliff notes version.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's a theory that a lot of people have independently.
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  Speaker 1: Sort of come to right, especially recently.
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  Speaker 3: And the concept of it just of you just think
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  Speaker 3: about ancient man. I was watching this documentary on Neanderthals
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  Speaker 3: last night about this one intact Neanderthal skeleton that they
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  Speaker 3: found that was it had sort of been he had
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  Speaker 3: died in a cave and you know there's stalagmites, stalactites
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  Speaker 3: or mites.
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  Speaker 1: How do you say?
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  Speaker 3: Tights utes are down, So he was essentially mineralized. There
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  Speaker 3: was stuff all over the body and it took a
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  Speaker 3: long time for them to break this body. On Netflix, No,
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  Speaker 3: I was watching it on YouTube. Maybe originally it was
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  Speaker 3: on Netflix, but it was just documenting how strange this
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  Speaker 3: this body was that they had found. But it was
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  Speaker 3: immensely strong, like much stronger than us. One of the
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  Speaker 3: interesting things was that their visual cortex, the part of
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  Speaker 3: the brain that would process imagery, was larger than ours,
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  Speaker 3: ten to twenty percent larger. Yeah, And that so these
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  Speaker 3: things probably had better eyesight than us, perhaps even we're
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  Speaker 3: able to see at night. And that this was a bigger,
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  Speaker 3: stronger version of a human being, like much more durable
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  Speaker 3: than what we are modern twenty twenty five Homo sapiens
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  Speaker 3: if you just look.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it. So that's one of them, either human
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  Speaker 1: nor Neanderthal.
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  Speaker 3: Oh really is this the same? This might not be
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  Speaker 3: the same one. This is maybe a different one. That's
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  Speaker 3: a weird one because what's that fucking thing on its head?
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  Speaker 1: That's what it says. It's a salactyche growing out of
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  Speaker 1: it or something. Wow, in a weird form. Weird, it's
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  Speaker 1: like a like a crest. They do. They do have
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  Speaker 1: a sagittal ridge. Yes, Homo erectus had one. Well, there's
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: an offshoot in our hominin lineage called the Paranthropists or
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: robust Australia. But this scenes and they had a full
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: on like gorilla style, real saggital rich checause they were vegetarians,
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: so they just chewed all day.
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: Right, so they had massive muscles to chew.
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, their whole face is huge. Wow, Neanderthal is kind of.
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: I mean, they were just big. It's just a robustisity thing.
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: But there is evidence from Shannandark Cave in Iraq where
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: they were using their teeth as tools. We think they
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: were like tanning hides. They were holding the hide in
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: their mouth and then like scraping all the nasty bits.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: Oh and you can see that in the tooth where.
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: So yeah, they were they were pretty bad ass. They
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: were the first. I don't know, I think this is cool,
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: but a lot of people think I'm a nerd too.
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: They are the first to use the flake, like for
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: two point eight million years, we just hit a piece
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: of rock and like, oh, it was a cool tool.
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: But then they figured out that if you hit the
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: rock in just right way, the piece that falls off
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: makes an even better tool until it goes like two
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: point five yes, exactly, and from that point on like way.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: I got to work at a place called Chapino john
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: Zach in southern France for summer and it was a
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: the Anderthoal site and we found these. Actually, it's pretty
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: funny because when we first got there, these tools called
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: MTA hand axes musterior and it was surely in tradition
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: hand axes, and there were only eight found in all
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: of Europe. And they said, if you guys find one
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: of these, we'll buy you all the beer and all
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: the Kognac you can drink. So we're in the Kognak
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: region of France, and we found one, like the fourth
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: or fifth day, we went on to find seven more.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: Over the course of that week, we doubled the number
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: of these things in existence, Wow, and all of Europe,
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: and they were not lying. They bought us so many
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: damn beers. Like archaeologists like to drink, you know, we
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: dig and it's boring as hell. You know, it's not
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: Indiana Jones. We're not running around banging hot chicks and
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: flying on planes. We're like, we got a spoon and
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: we're doing this for eight hours. So yeah, I actually
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: found the last one on the last day and it
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: was by far the worst one. Like I had to
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: argue that this is even it should even count as
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: one of these, but yeah, I know it was. It
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: was a cool site. So yeah, they where they were
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: doing well, but we were doing better. We came in
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: and well, something happened where we replace them.
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  Speaker 3: people have way less testosterone now, way or higher instances
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  Speaker 3: we're probably going to be very thin. It seems like
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: there's at least some sort of a push to eliminate gender,
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: like gender seems like it's on the tables, whether or
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  Speaker 3: not it's even necessary. There's all sorts of new technological
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  Speaker 3: innovations that are leading to the possibility at least sometime
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  Speaker 3: in the future of an artificial womb. There's genetic engineering
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  Speaker 3: with Crisper and a lot of other different technologies that
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  Speaker 3: are being explored that we might be able to engineer
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: human beings and then even create a complete individual human being.
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  Speaker 1: Without a mother, without a father.
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: So if you thought about what that looks like in
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: the future, Like, one of our problems in this planet
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: is we all have different ideologies, different religions, come from
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: different parts.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: Of the world.
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: We look different, and human beings, as tribal primates, have
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: a tendency to other We other different tribes. Those are
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: not us, We are us. Those are the enemy, we
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: got you rally around it. But if everybody's exactly the
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: same and we share one mind, you know, then a
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: lot of our problems go away. If we no longer
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: have to compete for resources, we no longer have the
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: desire to procreate and to acquire land and to be,
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: you know, to have a territory, we eliminate a lot
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: of our issues. And that's what these things look like.
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: When you look at the archetypal these I conic sort
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: of shapes that have been on cave walls all the
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: way up to close encounters of the third kind. One
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: thing they share is that they have no muscle, they
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: have large heads, they have big eyes.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: And the childlike paidomorphic as we say, yeah, you just
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: tied together. Like a lot of really important points related
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: to this theory, aspects of why they're always interested in
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: our gammeets, why they come back and put that little
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: machine on a man to collect sum, why they're constantly
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: taking eggs from females and planning fetuses pulling them back
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: out later. Like they're clearly focused on reproduction gammian extraction,
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: and one of the things that might be fueling that
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: in the future. If these are future humans, Let's just
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: assume for a second, hypothetically, is that they might be
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: having problems directly resulting from these trends towards self domestication,
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: these trends toward feminization, these trends toward reduced sperm counts,
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: which is sixty percent across most populations of the world
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: in the industrialized world, fifty percent across the entire world. Yeah,
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: problems with reproduction and vitro fertilization. Exogenesis chambers might help
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: solve some of those problems growing the fetus outside of
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: the body. So yeah, and like you said, you know,
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: what do they look like? They look like kind of
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: a hybrid between males and females to some extent, but
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: there's still an essence of gender. Like if you talk
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: to Whitley Streeber, you know he's with this bean. He
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: says in communion that I had a sense that she
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: was a woman. I don't know why, but it kind
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: of sensed that. So it's almost like the essence of
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: the individual, the soul of the individual, still retains that
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: sort of gender identity, even though our bodies are becoming
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: more childlike, more gender and discriminate. I don't know, but Yeah,
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: he had another one of those ways in which we
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: might sort of grow together as a species.
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: Now, when you say they are extracting sperm, like, how
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: many of these stories do you take seriously? There's a
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: lot of these stories A great question. Yeah, you know,
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: unfortunately for any sort of spectacular public thing that's in
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: the zeitgeist, like alien abduction, whether it's Whitley Streeber from
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: Communion or the John MacBooks, the guy from Harvard that.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: Wrote what was it Abduction, Passport to the Cosmos Induction. Yeah,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: two great books, great books.
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: But these are all books about encounters, close encounters of
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: the third time with some sort of a being from
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: another place. Whatever it is, it's just not a human being,
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: and it seems to be technologically superior to us. It
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: seems to be one thing they all seem to share,
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: as they seem to be able to communicate telekinetically or telepathically.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And I mean they aren't human, but they
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: are very human too. So for instance, like that's one
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: of the main reasons I started exploring this. I was
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: actually kind of put into this when I was eight
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: or nine years old, sort of activated in a way
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: and put on this path by a weird thing that
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: happened to men well. So I talk about it in
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: my first two books, Identified Flying Objects and The Extra
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: Tempestoral Model, where I learned about a close encounter that
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: my dad had. He was a veterinarian in Northeast Ohio
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: where I grew up, and he was out one night
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: on a coal with another guy. So there's two people.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: As far as Jaleen Heinez reliability scale has more reliability
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: because there's multiple witnesses. It's also strange on his scale
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: because they crested the hill. There's a bright light. This
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: is an Amish country. There's no lights in Amish country, and
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, this bright light darts toward them,
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: hovers just above their truck, darts back to where it
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: was the straight up into space like an incredible speed.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: So this happened before I was born, but I overheard
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: him telling the story to some friends. One night. He
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: got Whitley Streemer's book Communion, as most people did in
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: the nineteen eighties, and as they should because it's a
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: great book. And I walked into the living room. The
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: book is sitting on the shelf facing out, and I remember,
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: like it was yesterday. I sort of stopped and there
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: was like this light, like a white light, and then
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: I saw this image in my mind of like an
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: early homin and chimpanzee light creature, a modern human and
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: then that archetypal gray alien from the cover with this
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: information what if they're related? What if they are from
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: the future? And obviously, I mean that's why I became
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: a biological anthropologist. People are always like, so you saw this, Yeah,
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: it was like a flash, like a light, and you know,
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: it's weird looking back on it, because I know a
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: lot more about these experiences. I've talked to people that
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: have had these types of experiences. What was the setting?
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: It was our living room, so it was like the
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: you come in the front door and just to the
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: left there's this living room building bookshelf with these books
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: right there. I just turned the corner saw it and
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: then like just kind of it just came like I
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: didn't know shit about evolutionary biology. I saw how in
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: my mind just this white and there was that image
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: of the three faces, and then the question could they
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: be us from the future? And a lot of people
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: are like, how'd you get into UFOs? Like you you're
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: a biological anthropologist. It's the opposite. I got into biological
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: anthropology to research this question of whether they could be
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: us from the future. Huh.
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: So, so this you felt like at that moment, it
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: wasn't just like a weird thought or a dream. It
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: felt like a message, Like what did it feel like?
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, it was some It was a tasking, you know.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: I think I think Rupert Sheldrake said it that that
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: people don't have ideas ideas have people. I think that
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: was like the hey, go do this thing. Hmmm, And
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: I did. That's why we're here now talking about it.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: And obviously, you know, you gotta be careful about like
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: selection bias and confirmation bias. Like I didn't go into this,
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: I didn't go into grad school. I also didn'tell anybody
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: in grad school I was there because they would have
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: kicked me out. But I went into it with an
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: open mind. But I was there to study these things
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: because of that event when I was eight years old. Wow.
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it is a problem, the confirmation bias. It
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: is a problem with wanting it to be real. And
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: I struggle with that because I desperately want it to
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: be real.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: And so every time I talk to someone.
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: You know, I've talked to a bunch of people that
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: are you know, air quote whistle blowers, and some of
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: them I think for sure have been sent in here
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: to distribute disinformation. Yeah, no doubt, for sure, because it's
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: a great place to do it. Yeah, I'll listen to you.
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: I'll entertain almost anything, which is great.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: We need that, Yeah, you know, but yeah, I mean
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: obviously there's people that are going to take advantage of it.
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: But I think it's also important for me to say
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: I'm not convinced. I you know, I don't know how
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: much of this is horseship, but it's not zero.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: No, And that was your question, is how how do
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: I differentiate among these different cases? I do draw from
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: Heinex in his book The UFO Experience. He lists out
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: how we all should approach this based on the reliability
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: scale and the strangeness scale. Jacques Vala also drew from
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: that helped him develop it as part of the Invisible
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: College and all of his work. But regardless of like
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: my own personal CERX, my second book, The Extra Tempest
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: Model is about thirty case studies, fifteen main case studies,
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: but then I pull in other ones and it explores
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: the different theories, obviously, the main one being this extra
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: tempestrial idea of this future, which, by the way, I
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: saw the word of the day today was anachronistic, and
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: I was like, man, that would have been a way
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: better word than extra tempestrio, which everybody struggles with. I
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: could have called them an acronots. Doesn't that sound cool?
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: It does anacronots. Oh, that sounds really cool. I know,
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: what the hell is I thinking? Man? Anyway, But so
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: one of the most commonly reported things across all cases,
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: regardless of what you think it's bullshit or you think
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: this definitely happened, is they really want our sperm, They
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: really need or want our reproductive material or gammings. And
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: it's funny because when I wrote my first book in
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: twenty I started in twenty twelve, published it in twenty nineteen.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: Right at the end, I did an interview and somebody's like,
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: if you heard of Jim Peniston, Like, no, which is
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: kind of a failing on my BEF. I'll admit that one.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: It turns out, so it was the rendalschrom Forest incident.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: He touched this craft, he got this binary code, and
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: he when deciphering the binary code. They legitimately specifically said,
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: we are you from the future. We're having problems with reproduction.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: He underwent hypnotic regression. We're having problems with reproduction, and
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: we need this genetic material to help ourselves. You know
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: a lot of people are like, well, why are they
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: coming back and doing stuff to us. I think they're
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: coming back and getting stuff from us because of problems
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: they're having, largely related to what you were talking about
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: earlier with the reduced sperm counts, the problem with female
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: in fertility. What if we do try to create the
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: perfect human specimen, or we try to cure these genetic
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: diseases through genetic manipulation crisper, and we screw something up,
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: we might have to come back there. We can't go
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: to another planet. There aren't people on these planets. We
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: can't go and sample gammets from these other places. We
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: might have to go into our past to get those
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: white type on unmanipulated gammy. It's in order to fix
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: these problems.
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: That's a crazy level of technological sophistication, the ability to
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: venture back in time and somehow or another not fuck
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: up the timeline that's leading to I mean, this is
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: the problem that's always been theorized about time travel, anything
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: that you do. If you went back in time, any interactions,
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: you would completely change how the future would play out.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: In the many worlds interpretations. Yeah, so that idea is
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: unfortunately very pervasive, and mostly because of Back to the Future,
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: which I think grew into the brains of most people
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: do certainly in my generation. But what most and physicists
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: don't agree on many things, but most agree that we
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: live in what's called a block universe landscape time block
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: time where if you imagine all moments from the very
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: beginning of the Big Bang to the end of the universe,
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: where all matter disap appears into like a black hole
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: or contracts or whatever it does, all moments are already there.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: They exist as this massive four dimensional block of all moments,
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: all worldlines, everything. So you go back into the past
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: as you perceive it. You can do whatever you want.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: You can walk around, step on butterflies, you know, slap
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: people on the face, kick over you know, dinosaurs or whatever.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: I don't think we can go back that far, but
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: you could do anything you want and it doesn't change
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: anything because you're going back in the block universe and
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: doing those things you were always already going to do,
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: and when you get home, everything's the same because that
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: was already their past. To everybody that stayed behind, that
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: was already their past. It was only the future for
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: you to go back and do those things that you
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: were already gonna do, and then you just went and
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: did them. Get home, everything's the same because you were
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: always going to do those things in the first place.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: That's bizarre if that is the actual model of the universe.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: And again, I can only work in writing these books.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: I can only work from what we know now. Clearly
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of things we don't know. I'm not
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: claiming to know anything beyond what we can know right now.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: But physicists, despite not knowing what time is, they know
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: it's an emergent phenomenon. There's something more fundamental that time
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: comes from. But they do agree on this block universe model.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: And in that case, there is no paradox.
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: How do they all agree on that, Like, wouldn't you
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: have to test that and come up with some sort
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: of a hypothesis and then try to prove it or
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: disprove it.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: I shouldn't say they all agree because there is the
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: mini world's interpretation of quantum mechanics, where if you went
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: back in that situation, it would be change. You would
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: be changing the timeline. Would it be changing your timeline
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: or would it be changing a different timeline? As the
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: question and how would you know? There's more paradoxes with
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: changing things than not changing things. Why do you confidently
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: state that you don't think that they can go back
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: to the dime story age? Partly because three to f
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: diferent reasons. One, I think they need tremendously high speed
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: in order to be able to go back into the past.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: So basically, again working from all I can work from
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: in this time, with the limited primitive primate knowledge that
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: I have in the year twenty twelve to twenty twenty five,
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: I basically just started with Einstein's theory of relativity, which
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: he published in nineteen oh five on the electrodynamics of
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: moving bodies, and then in nineteen fifteen he published his
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: paper on general relativity. From that point on, almost instantly
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: there were solutions to his field equations that showed, with
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: the right parameters of a massively highly energetic rotating ring
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: or sphere or disk, that you could create close timelight
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: curves that you could actually orient light cones back toward
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: the past, so you can physically go into the past.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: We saw this with lens and theoryin in like nineteen
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: seventeen and eighteen. Kirk Godell Godell Universe was after and
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: I think the twenties maybe, and then importantly in nineteen
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: seventies you had Frank Tippler who showed mathematically that you
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: can shrink that down to a disc. He actually called
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: it a disc. And it's one of the reasons I
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: think that these are time machines is because it has
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: all of the parameters described by Frank Tippler. He wasn't
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: talking about UFOs, but they seemingly have the ability to
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: jump in and at a time they appear and disappear.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: And I'm talking too much, so I'll wrap this up
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: in a second. But you're definitely not talking too much. Well,
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, we're here to talk, but I have an
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: internal trigger where I'm like, shut up, master talking to you.
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: They'll listen to So anyway, you know, if you look
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: at the history of how we understand backward time travel,
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: what I think they're doing is that I think they're
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: combining general relativity and special relativity. So I think they're
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: orienting the light cones toward the past by rotating these
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: things really really fast. You hear that all the time
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: they power up, they're spinning, or at least there's some
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: sort of flywheel on the outside that's spinning. I think
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: that's what's allowing them to move toward the past. And
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: then they take off. So it's that high speed that
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: I think allows them to go further into the past.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: So they're using you're aware of the twins paradox. I'm
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: sure time dilation where you have two twins they're the
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: same age, and then one goes into a spaceship. They
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: move it tremendously high speed. They come back and they're
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: much younger than their twin because time move faster back
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: on Earth. I think they're using that high speed motion
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: wild light cones oriented toward the past in order to
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: travel deeper into the past. Through that process of time delation.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: There are limits to how fast we can go. Einstein
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: was very adamant about this, because there's an increase in
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: inertial forces the faster you go relative to the speed
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: of light. That's why he thought we could never go
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: That's why he thought that anything with mass could never
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: go faster than the speed of light. Light can do
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: it because it's a wave or a particle or both.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: So I think there's a limit to how fast we
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: can go. The other reason is because Jim Peniston, in
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: this hypnotic regression, said that he's like, we can only
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: go forty to sixty thousand years into the past, or
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: we might not get back. You also have and this
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: is a more speculative one, so take it for what
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: it's worth. You also have the Dan Burish testimony of
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: this Jrod, this allegedly captured alien who said we're from
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: the future, we are you from the future, and we're
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: from about fifty five to sixty thousand years in your future.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: So those three things together are why I don't think
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: we could go back sixty five million years to hunt dinosaurs,
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: which actually would be kind of fun.
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: When you when talking about going the speed of light,
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: you're talking about not traditional propulsion, but some form of
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: propulsion that allows you to go at insane speed.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, electromagnetic is what it seems to be. And importantly,
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: the electromagnetic force is ten to the forty times more
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: powerful than gravity. So not only do I think that's
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: what they used to fly. I think that's what they
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: use to manipulate space time. Actually, and Dan Burrish is
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: not Dan Burisch, Dan Farah. I think you just had
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: him onto the age of disclosure. Yes, there's this really
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: cool thing at the end where how put off and
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: I think Eric Davis as well. We're talking about this
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: space time bubble, right, A really weird thing happened. We
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: can get to that in a second, but I don't
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: want to jump around too much because I'll lose people
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: and myself probably. But this space time bubble that they
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: form around the craft, I think is also indicative of
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: the fact that they're manipulating space time that they're traveling
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: in and out of time. They use it to hide
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: in plain sight. They manipulate the rate at which they
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: move relative to us in their frame of reference, and
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: they're moving fast all around us, and they've slowed time
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: down outside of that bubble, so everything is really really
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: slow to them, and they can easily evade our bullets
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: and our missiles, but we don't see them because we
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: don't have that frame rate of perception. And if you
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: slow videos down, I'm sure you've seen these all the time.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: Where there's like and then you slow it down and
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: you can see this saucer shaped craft moving slowly across
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: the sky once you slow down the frame rate. But
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: a really funny thing happened because I've never actually talked
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: about this with anyone before. I owe a lot of
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: the fact that anybody even knows who I am to
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: help put Off he uh. When I first started talking
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: about this publicly in twenty eighteen and then I published
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: my book in twenty nineteen identified flying Objects, He I
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: guess reached out to the head of Moofon at the time,
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: who was putting together the fiftieth anniversary Moofon event, and
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: was like, hey, you should have this mic masters guy
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: come talk. And I found that out from the head
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: of moof On. He's like, hey, just so you know
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: how put Off of all people recommended I contact you.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: I had no idea that is, so I get on
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: the internet like Google, I'll put off. He also put
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: Jesse Michaels mutual friend in touch with me after I
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: think he did an interview with him in Weinstein I
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: forget his name, Eric, Yeah, yeah, yeah, So he did
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: an interview with those two. I guess how I was like, hey,
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: you should reach out to mac Masters and he did
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: and we talked and we've done stuff together. But what
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: was cool is that at the end of that Age
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: of Disclosure film, when he's talking about the space time bubble,
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: I thought back to after my first book came out
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: and I was contacted by someone who claimed to be
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: an ex intelligence person who explained that exact same thing
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: to me back in twenty nineteen, that these things aren't
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: doing ten thousand G maneuvers that would crush anything inside
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: to them. In their frame of reference, what they feel
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: is completely different than what we see, because in that
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: space time bubble, they can be moving at fifty thousand
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: miles an hour to a right hand turn and it
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: would splatter anything inside because of the G forces. That's
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: what we see on the outside, but in that space
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: time bubble they probably feel one two g'sit the most.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: So I started thinking, man, was that, how did how
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: reach out to me with like a different email address
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: and say, Hey, just so you know, this is how
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: these things are happening, this is how they're able to
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: do it. And I was a dumb ass. I still
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: am a dumbass, but I was an extra big dumb
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: ass back then, and I was like, oh cool, thanks man.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: You know, like a story went viral about my books
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: and Fox Snooze picked it up in space dot com
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: and so I was going through a bunch of emails.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: They recognized I wasn't getting what they were saying. I
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: was not picking up what they were putting down, and
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: they were like, no, this is important, said it again,
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: and then it clicked. I was like, oh, yeah, that
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: makes perfect sense. They're manipulating the rate at which time
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: passes in this bubble around the craft and we see
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: something completely different.
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: So when we're seeing this, we are imagining what we
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: can do, and we're sort of saying, well, what would
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: be an advanced version of what we can do? And
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: what this technology is is something that's levels of magnitude
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: beyond even our theoretical like any sort of idea that
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: we have currently about you know, potential future timelines of technology. Yeah,
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: there's no one talking about gravity bubbles that allow you
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: to instantaneously traverse immense gaps in the universe.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: Well, they might be talking about it. Buying closed doors
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: at right Powder sn Air Force Base right and have
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: been for seventy years.
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's the real problem with disclosure, Like
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: how much progress could we have made if they had
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: opened up all this stuff? And you got to imagine
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: if you were an intelligent life form from another planet,
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: you know. Diana Pasolka talked about her and Gary Nolan
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: talked about how they refer to some of these things
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: as donations. They don't think of them as crashed vehicles
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: because some of them are not crashed. They're completely intact.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: And I think David Grush said that, I.
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: Believe he did, and even you know Lazare when he
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: was talking about it.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: He you know, he had a sports model. Wasn't that
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: fully intact too?
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: Fully intact? Yeah, fully attacked and operational and apparently they
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: float around O kid.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that'd be fun. Well, that was one of the reasons.
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: You know, the whole story how he got caught, it's
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: a really crazy story. So he used to work at
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: Los Alamals. He was a propulsions expert. Guy put a
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: jet engine on the back of a Honda. It was
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: a real freak, you know, it made a hydrogen corvette
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: in like the nineteen nineties.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: He was a nutty dude, clearly an engineer. Yeah, that
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: part checks out.
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: So he guessed his job on Area S four and
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: goes there and it's all documented in Jeremy Corbell's excellent
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: movie Bob Blazaar Era fifty one Flying Saucers. So he
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: goes there and sees this thing and it's got an
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: American flag sticker on it, and you know, they basically say,
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: tell us how it works. And he's like, oh, this
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: is ours because he sees it as a sticker on it,
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: and then he really, this is made out of some
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: completely unknown alloy. There's no seams in it, it seems
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: to be three D printed, there's no controls inside of it.
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: It's designed for something that's three feet tall. It's all
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: very fucking weird. So he's working on this thing, not
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: making much headway at all. They understood that there was
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: an element element one point fifteen that was not even
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: on the periodic table, eventually found to actually be a
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: thing by the large Adron collider, but even then they
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: only measured it for a millisecond, right, So then he's
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: saying that they have this stable version of this element
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: and you bombard it with radiation and creates this sort
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: of gravity drive. He's working on this thing and it's
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: all top secrets, so he cannot tell his wife. So
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: they're calling him up at ten o'clock like, hey, get
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: to the airplace, the airport, we need you, And so
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: he would have to fly out at random times, fly
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: out to S four and his wife was like, this month,
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: the fuckers have an affair. Well, I'm gonna have an
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: affair too, So she starts sucking her flight attend or
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: a flight instructor.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: I think that's what it was.
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: When you have that kind of clearance, they are monitoring everything.
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: They're monitoring all your phone calls. So they've realized that
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: his wife is having an affair, and they think that
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: he will be emotionally unstable and it's too dangerous to
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: have him working on this insanely top secret information if
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: he's not stable, So they tell him, you know, we're
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: gonna at least temporarily relieve you of your duties. So
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: he's freaked out and he tells his friends like, hey,
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: this is this is what they're doing there. They have
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: these things and they fly them every Wednesday. I'm gonna
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: take you guys. There's an area we can go watch.
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: So he takes his friends out there on two separate occasions.
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: I believe they get caught, They get caught, gets arrested,
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: they release him, and he realizes, like, I'm kind of fucked.
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: They might kill me. I'm gonna have to go public
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: with this, contacts George Knapps. Then the whole thing is history.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, No, that's wild man, and I think, and it's
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: still happening. You know, there's still these whistle blowers. He says.
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: They used to fly them, and you could go watch
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: them fly these things, and they were moving these really
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: weird ways across the sky that you cannot do with
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: conventional aircraft. That they only sort of understood how to
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: like pick it up and put it down. They didn't
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: understand how to like.
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: Really that was not a groom lake, right, Yes, yeah,
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: I remember as a kid. I've obviously been into this
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: for a long time. I remember as a kid seeing
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: videos of people going out and then they eventually closed
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: it down. You couldn't get to that spot.
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: But there was like that was during the Obama administration.
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: During the Obama administration, they actually had to admit that
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: Area fifty one was real, because before that they didn't
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: no one even knew it was real. I mean, there
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: was always just a joke like Area fifty one. It
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: was like for fun, but then they said, no, it
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: is real and we need to expand the forbidden boundary.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And isn't that when people were gonna like bum
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: rush it too?
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: Is that when that that was during COVID? Okay, during COVID,
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: there was a bunch of dorks.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: Like, we're gonna crush Area fifty one. It's a good
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: way to die. They'll kill your a natural selection. Yeah.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: They're working on a lot of stuff out there, and
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: some of it is weapons. They can't have you Internet
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: dorks from Reddit just running out into Area fifty one. Yeah.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: I think they eventually realized that. I don't think they
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: went out there, but that could have been bad.
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: I think it was all bullshit. They weren't what are
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: you gonna do?
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: How you going to get out their engagement farming. Yeah. Man,
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of crazy shit that's been going on.
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: It's been going on for a while. Jamie and I
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: were talking before and about the stove piping too, and
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: all the stove piping. Yeah, the different ways that they
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: compartmentalize what they're doing, and they talked about it in
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: Age of Disclosure too. That's a big problem because certain
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: people are working on these parts of the craft to
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: reverse engineer them, to understand them, but they don't have
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: the whole picture. Lazar was talking about that from the
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: nineteen eighties.
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, in nineteen eighty nine, he said the people that
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: a work on metallurgy were not in contact with the
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: people that are working on propulsion, and you weren't. He's like,
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: science cannot operate like that.
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it can't, because you need to know what's
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: going on beyond just this little part that you're working.
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: On, and if you have a bunch of people that
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: are sharing information, you get a much more comprehensive understanding
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: of what this thing is.
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we all benefit from communication.
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: Right, because there could be something involved in the actual
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: structure of it that lends to its ability to do something.
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: It might not be simply just structure. It might be
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: structure with some sort of an ability m Yeah.
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: You can't see the forest through the trees in these situations,
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: and it's unfortunate. And the argument they made in this
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: doco is that we're putting ourselves a disadvantage because other
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: countries will probably retrieved these things too, and they might
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: be working on yes, and secrecy. But if people are
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: working together right and not stovepiping this thing ad infinitum,
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: then they might be able to actually make more progress
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: faster than us. So part of the disclosure push is
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: to be like, yeah, these things are real, we have them.
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: Let's get our best scientists together to work on this
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: holistically instead of compartmentalizing it.
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: Which just imagine if they had done that from nineteen
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: forty seven, where we would be exactly if that's real,
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: if Roswell was real, if all the crash was real,
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: Philip Drake Corso's correct, and all these people are telling
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: the truth.
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: I know, and we still have to preface these things
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: with if it's if it's real, and yeah, I do
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: the same thing. I mean, as coming from academia. When
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: I wrote my first book, I had to be like,
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: if this is real, but it's hard. It's this paradox
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: of sorts because it how do you rate to explain
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: something that isn't real? What's the point of even doing that? Yeah? So,
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: so I think we have to assume. I'm actually teaching
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: a class at Montana Tech this spring called UFO's History
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: and Science. Oh, I would take that if I was
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: in school. I think I think it's gonna be a
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: lot of fun. Yeah, I know. I'm pretty stoked about it.
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: And I had these artists design a poster in Norway
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: in the UK and just this crazy Like I was like,
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: how conservative should I be with this? Like just a
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: UFO and I gave him total artistic freedom and there's
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: like an alien holding the earth and the UFO. I'm like,
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: all right, I guess that's what I'm doing. Plastered it
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: all campus to recruit people to take the class, but
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: like I'm going in on day one. We're not We're
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: not gonna fuck around with like are these things real?
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: We're not gonna waste time on that. We're gonna jump in.
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: These are real. Here's what we're doing. This is what
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: we know, this is what we don't know. Explore the
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: theory is explore the history. Explore the prehistory, because it's
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: it's a waste of time, Like these things, these things
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: are real.
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: You think they're real? What makes you convinced.
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: I have read enough accounts in researching this and from
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: people that I know. I mean, starting from when I
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: was a kid hearing my biological father's account. You know,
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: the way he told it, and then I interviewed him
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: again in college to try to get more information because
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: I was just over hearing from the stairs when I
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: was supposed to be in bed. He saw what he saw,
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: and then eventually I saw some UFOs. What did you say?
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: I was kind of pissed actually, because I start talking
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: about this in twenty eighteen and people were always like,
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: you ever seen ufho? No, never seen UFI I'd like to.
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: And then finally in twenty twenty two, it might have
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: been late twenty twenty one. I don't remember exactly when.
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: It was kind of warmish, so it was probably twenty
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: twenty one, but I was everybody's in bed. Met my house.
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: I live in a canyon, and I was having a
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: whiskey and I was like, I just walked up the
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: canyon wall for some reason, like the hill behind my house.
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: I don't really know why. I turned around and I
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: could see these five super bright lights over what's known
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: as the East Ridge and Butte Montana. They were just
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: like sitting there right over the east Ridge. It's like, well,
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: that's not normal. Those aren't usually there, and they weren't stars.
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: You know, They're way too big, way too close I
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: would say they were probably within eight to five to
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: eight miles, you know, they they were in the distance,
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: but they were like there, and then I just kind
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: of looked at them for a second, like, oh, that's weird.
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: And then one by one, from right to left, they
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: just went shot off towards the southeast at like crazy speed,
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: you know, like the kind of like in Star Wars,
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: Star Trek and hit hyper Drive and rhaps that little
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: late trail, like just one by one until they were
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: all gone. That I have no conventional explanation for them. Wow.
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: But I've never been one of those people that's like
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: I need to see it to believe it, because I
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: believe the people who say the same thing over and over.
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: There's patterns that we can extract from people's testaments who
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: have had these close encounters. And that's one unfortunate thing
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: that's happening right now is we're talking about the pilots,
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: talking about police, but people have been seeing these forever.
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: But they did such a good job manufacturing the stigma
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: around it with Project Signed, Project Grudge, Project Blue Book,
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: to discount these people, to make them see insane.
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: You know, that is one of the main points of
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: evidence that I would point to that there is something
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: when people think there isn't something. I'm just like, you
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: should really pay attention to what they were trying to
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: do during Project Boo Book. Yeah, because one of them
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: I have a body mind. My friend Steve Graham shout
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: out to Steve. When he was a he was living
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: in New York, upstate New York, and he filmed this
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: red orb that was flying across the sky and he
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: took some photographs of it and they called someone, some
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: officials somewhere I don't remember. He was very young, and
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: they said we're going to analyze the photos and then
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: we'll bring them back to you, and they never returned
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: the photographs. When he called, he said, no agents, there's
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: no record of any agents coming to visit you. We
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: don't know what to tell you. So they just took
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: his photos and that was it. But he said, whatever
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: it was, you know, he was young, I believe he
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: was ten or eleven, and he said, whatever it was
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: was really weird. He goes, it was this red orb
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: that was flying through the sky. It was a spacecraft.
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: It wasn't a sun, it wasn't a meteor. It looked
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: like it was moving purposely and under control. And it
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: was there long enough for him to take a polaroid
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: of it. Yeah, and they just completely erased any memory
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: of it or any any evidence of it. When he called,
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: like I said, they said, no agents visited you. Whatever
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: the agent's name or there was no agents by that name.
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: That's kind of the status quo. Well, they try to
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: make you look like a fool. Absolutely, and that that
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: was intentional. Like this state admission of Project Grudge was
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: to debunk these things, come up with conventional explanations and
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: make people seem like idiots, right, Not.
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: It wasn't to investigate, No, not at all. The purpose
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: wasn't let's get to the bottom of this, find out
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: is this Russia? Is Russia doing this? That was not
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: the purpose. The purpose was make these people look like fools.
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: You only do that if you know something that other
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: people don't.
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And it worked. I did a damn good job at it,
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: because we still feel like fools talking about this. Oh yeah,
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: we still have to check ourselves and be like, is
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: this real? If this is real? You know, right? But
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: but I think that shame is starting to diminish. I
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: think the stigma is starting to go away. Well, I
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: think the New York Times article for that was a
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: game changer. That was a big one.
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and then from then on it's been this trickle.
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: These guys like Ryan Graves and you know, guys like
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: David Favor, These these David Favors guys. That was you know,
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: he was in a fighter jet saw this thing move
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: from fifty thousand feet above sea level to sea level
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: in less than a second. And they saw this thing.
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: There was something under the water below it, it's like
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: whatever he saw and if you ever talked to him,
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: Have you ever talked to him?
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: I've talked to Alex Dietrich, who was with him daring that.
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: He's a very reliable guy and very intelligent, by the book,
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: very disciplined.
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: Now he was like a top gun. Yes, pilot, he's
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: leading the exact group, right, Yeah, he's a commander. So
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: and when he describes it, it sounds very real. Whatever
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: he's talking about he experienced. I believe that. And there's
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: also a.
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: Video of it, this video of it flying. They have
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: the radar data. They know that it went to their
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: designated meet up point, a cap point. Yeah, which is
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: really weird.
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: It is, and it indicates they knew the future or
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: they were part of our military, right. I kind of
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: wonder if they take tech because it is somewhat anomalous
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: in the context of a lot of things in the
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: UFO lore, as far as spinning disks or big triangular craft.
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: This one kind of seems like one of ours.
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: Well, it is odd that these things happen where there's
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: a lot of military training exercises like this. One was
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: off the coast of the San Diego. It was off
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: the knimets, you know, so they had the nimits which
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: was out there. Obviously, you got a lot of military
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: in San Diego and.
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: The Roosevelt too, I think is where they were capturing
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: the radar.
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: And the ones that Ryan Grave experienced were all East Coast. Again,
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: it's all near military bases. It's all where they do
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: military training exercises.
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and why not figure out what you can do
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: with people that you train with already anyway, right, you.
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: Know, and why not see like what is detectable and
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: what's not.
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: Ryan Graves talked about how in twenty fourteen they upgraded
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: all the sensors and the jets and then all of
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: sudden they start picking these things up all over the place.
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: He said they were encountering them virtually every time they
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: went out, which is so weird. Imagine you're encountering Uh.
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: Was it a circle inside of a sphere or a
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: sphere inside.
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: Of a thing? A circle in a sphere? Yeah, whatever
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: it was, which one was? It was it a circle
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: and a sphere. It was a little circle and then
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: a cube or something very fucking weird whatever that is.
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: And it is able to hover motionless and like two
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: hundred knots of wind.
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it would make sense if we are reverse
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: engineering these, they're gonna look pretty primitive. It's basically a
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: big propane tank that they're flying around like. They probably
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: started simple. It's probably unmanned, but they're testing that capability
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: to like manipulate the space time to shoot off, you know,
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: because it dropped ten eighty thousand feet.
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: That's a couple a cube atmosphere. Yeah, I can remember.
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: Apparently my dyslexia extends to images.
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: To explained using UFO patents. Click on that explained. A
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: recent article about the Hill has highlighted the reports of
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: a cuban of sphere UAP military pilots have been seeing,
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: as reported by Graves, where he once again highlights how
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: often our pilots are seeing these things and why he
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: doesn't believe they are conventional drones or balloons, and so
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: this is obviously some sort of a computer generated rendition.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: Ah that fucking pop up? Yeah sure, so, I mean
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: I didn't get a picture of it, but but.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: Here's the patents scroll up a little bit. So a
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: month ago, I did a deep dive in a post
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: about UFO patents how magneto hydro dynamic propulsion systems could
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: explain some of the observations includes the expired patent for
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: the nineteen sixties and a few newer patents describing not
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: only the propulsion, but how the plasma field can make
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: the craft invisible to radar.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: Huh yeah, I mean again, it makes sense, like if
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: we have been reverse engineering these for seventy years, we
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: would start bringing them out. They would look weird. They
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: wouldn't necessarily look like the craft that we struggled to
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: fly at Groom Lake that could go up and down
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: with and that's about it. Like they would look like
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: this little thing that's simple, it's based, it's a propane tank,
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: or it's a cube within a sphere. I probably had
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: that backwards again and then experiment with this, see what
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: you can do. And a lot of people make the argument,
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: why would they do that's dangerous. You know what if
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: there was a mid air collision, If they are actually
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: manipulating space time in these things like they seemingly are
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: with the saucer shaped craft, you don't have to worry
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: about that. You know, this isn't a cat and mouse
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: game where the cat and mouse are equal like you
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: have complete control of space, time in and around that area.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: You're not going to run into anybody. They're all moving
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: extremely slowly relative to you, according to put off In
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: Davis at the end of that doco, and whoever reached
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: out to me, whether it was Hall or not, somebody
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: reached out to me and explain the same thing in
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, and it makes a lot of damn sense.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: And to kind of extend it into my area of research.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: If you can manipulate space and time in and around
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: this craft, what's keeping from using that to travel through time?
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: I guess?
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: I mean, but again that's with the different model, not
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: the multi world's model.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: But what was the other model that you just uni
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: universe theory?
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the idea that they would be so advanced that
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 3: they could genetically engineer a body and.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: Get to whatever state they are at where.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 3: They communicate telepathically, but yet they can't solve the problem
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: of old DNA like needing, what do they need genetic diversity?
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: Like what is it? What are they trying to get
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: out of us? Are they trying to get the source
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: source material instead of the old stuff or instead of
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: the stuff that they've had forever.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: One of the arguments I'm made in my first in
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: second books is that really, since European colonialism starting about
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: five hundred years ago, we are all becoming one interbreeding population.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: So it used to be that you had different isolated
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: populations and then occasionally there would be gene flow that
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: introduces new genes. If we all are just one population
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: on this inbred island of Earth, where are you going
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: to get new gene variants? And then you combine that
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: with the things we just talked about, with the potential
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: for things to go wrong with trying to make designer babies,
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: or the trends toward reduced fertility in men and women,
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: and importantly, the potential that there could be some massive
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: cataclysm that puts us into a huge bottleneck where there
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: just is no genetic diversity at all. Like if you
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: think about something that happened that wiped out a huge
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: percentage of the population, and there are warnings about this
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: over and over again with experiencers and contact ease there,
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: like there's some cataclysmic thing coming if that were to happen,
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: all of those problems we're already having, all of the
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: trends that are already leading to us having problems with
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: fertility in the future will be hugely exacerbated by a
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: very limited gene pool. Well, we know that human beings
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: have gotten down to a very small population in the past. Yeah,
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: so we are. So we're already kind of limited. Yeah,
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: in our diversity.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 3: What do you think of the theory that human beings
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 3: have been genetically engineered?
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: Man, when I first started in all this, I wouldn't
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: touch that one because I had to impose some restrictions
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: on myself so I didn't seem like a crazy person
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: and keep your academic standing. I don't really care anymore,
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: to be honest, Well, you sold a few books. Yeah,
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: I sold some books. I mean, that's the thing is, like,
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: I do have the respect of my peers. You know.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: It's not a career killer anymore, No, exactly, you know.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: I mean back in twenty eighteen, I was kind of
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: rolling the dice. I was really nervous about it. I
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: went to the chair of my department and was like, hey,
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: just so you know, in case there's any pushback publishing
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: this book about whether you know UFOs or future humans.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: And he looked at me and cocked his head, and
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: it's like that's our job. That's what we're supposed to
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: be asking questions like that. Like it was all pissed off,
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: like why are you even asking me this or telling
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: me this? Well, that's a cool guy. Yeah, for I
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: was like, sweet, all right, well check I got one.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: I got one on board at least. But I was
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: really conservative in this approach. Like the dean actually of
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: my college who gave me an award for scholarship and researchers,
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: and there's a lot of amazing researches at Montana Technological University,
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: like we're very well known for research and scholarship. She
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: gave me an award in twenty twenty two for research
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: and scholarship, and all I was doing at that point
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: was UFO stuff. You know. That was kind of a
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: nod too. But she was telling me the other day
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: and a meeting from the chair of the department unfortunately,
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: and she was like, oh, your your dissertation book, because
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: I did kind of write my first book as a dissertation.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: It's very scientific, it's very dense, it's very technical. But
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: I needed to do that because of the stigma, because
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: of the shame, and you're right, it is changing, which
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: is great, But there are certain things that we still
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: can't that are hard for me to talk about because
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: it starts to get into ancient aliens territory, and that's
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: one of them. Are they manipulating us genetically? Have been
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: for a long time? I don't know. I used to
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: say I don't know, so I didn't have to talk
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: about it. Now I say I don't know because I
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: genuinely don't know. Maybe, well how could you? How could I? Yeah?
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: Good point.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's all theoretical, but there seems to
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 3: be a trend in at least the encounter reports, and
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 3: there's when people have reported some sort of communication with
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: these things. There is there's a lot of talk of
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: genetic manipulation.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of talk of.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: It's the most common trope, yeah thing, But it also
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 3: makes sense when you look at how different we are
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 3: than any other animal that exists or has existed. We're
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 3: so advanced and so weird, and we vary so much
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 3: like biologically and structurally. I mean, there's animals like there's
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 3: different kinds of wolves, right, there's gray woolfolves and red
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: wolves and they vary, and you know, red wolves and
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 3: gray wolves, they can't even interbreed and create viable offspring
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 3: in terms of like their ability, Like there would be
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 3: hybrids if they did breed where they wouldn't, but they don't.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 3: They don't breed with red wolves and coyotes, which is
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: also a type of wolf. But that's kind of where
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 3: it ends. Whereas humans are fucking weird, at least, coyotes
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: all look like coyotes. Wolves all kind of look like wolves.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 3: Like with humans, you get seven foot tall people and
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 3: five foot tall people and round people and thin.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: Butty we are actually all very similar genetically. There's a
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: study done in the seventies looking at at polymorphisms and
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: they found that between like what it used to be thought,
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: there were races like Africans, Asians, and Europeans. That was it.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: They didn't consider Native Americans or Australians or anybody. But
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: they did this study on polymorphisms found that only about
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: six to seven percent of our all of our genetic
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: differences can be accounted for by those between group differences.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: And they did the same thing with y chromosomes. They
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: did the same thing with craniofacial anatomy and found that
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: we're all very similar. So despite those differences in height, weight,
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: skin color, air color, eye color. We're very very similar,
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: which could again lead to problems related to genetic homogenization,
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: limited gene pool in the future, needing to go back
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: and sample game meats from the past. Another argument I
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: hear people make related to what you're saying, Like an
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: argument for potential genetic manipulation of the human species over time,
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: is that it all happened really fast. We see this
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: acceleration and our rate of change, rate of our technological development,
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: those things might indicate that there's some sort of seeding
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: in the past with not just technology, but the genetics
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: that allow us to expand our minds and develop these things.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 3: Well, then there's the weird stories from ancient scripts, ancient
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 3: texts like the Book of Enoch, Like what is that
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 3: all about? Like some weird stuff where it talks about
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 3: the Watchers.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: Coming down from the sky and mating with humans and
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: creating the nepheline who destroy everything. Yeah. I might get
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: some shit for this, but I would be willing to
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: bet that all major religions and the little ones have
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: some sort of UFO alien component to the myth and
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: legend that gave rise to them. Over time. It makes sense.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: It does. Actually, the third book I wrote, Revelation, flips
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: the whole script on Revelation and it interjects time travelers.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: It interjects this whole there was for a while, there's
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: this question of like whether there was a fight over
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: the timeline, whether the Grays were coming back to because
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: some cataclysm needed to happen and we all went underground
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: and that's why we have big eyes and pale skinks.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: We had to evolve underground for a while, and then
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: another group like trying to keep that from happening. So
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: the book kind of explores that in a fictional capacity.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: And I wrote it because my friends weren't reading my
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: science books because they're dense and scientific, and I was like, man,
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: you know what if I wrote a book that's just
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: like a crass, sex, drug fueled exploration of like this
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: time travel idea. And that's where that book came from.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: It It still ties in all of these same concepts scientifically,
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: but in the story, like the the main character is
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: an inner temporal sex researcher. She goes back in time
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: and just focks everybody to learn what to learn what sex.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: That's the book I gave you when I got here. Actually,
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: so it's a weird one. Yeah, it's a weird one,
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: but it was super fun to write, you know. And
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: they're like, and then her the professor in this book,
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: he's like the the he's an intertemporal drug king pen
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: of sorts. But but it's like it's exploring the same
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: ideas in a different way, you know, with fiction, it's satire,
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: it's comedy. The word most commonly used is it's hilarious.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: It's a comedy book, you know, because I wanted people
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: that don't read the science books to still be introduced
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: to this concept and the science behind it in a
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: different way. And man, it was so much more fun
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: to write than those science books.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 3: What do you think of when people start theorizing about
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 3: some sort of a breakaway civilization that lives under the ocean.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so we actually published a paper about that last June,
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: about the cryptoterrestrial hypothesis. You mentioned it on your show
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: in a really funny way because it went viral internationally.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: It was absolutely insane the impact this thing had. Like
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: I had to go on Fox and Friends one morning
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: to talk about it, and then the next day. What
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: made it go viral? What was the well because I
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: published it with two guys from Harvard. I was a
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: co author on the paper, and so it's clickbait. It's
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: Harvard researchers say dinosaurs are aliens and they live among you,
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: so stuff like that, and it worked because I I, yeah,
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: well it makes you go, what yours was the funniest one.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: You guys pulled it up on your screen and you're like, man,
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: these Harvard researchers must have snuck in where they're doing
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: the psilocybin experiments and ate all the mushrooms. That cracked
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: me up. And I don't think we did. I don't
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: remember if we did. I don't think we did. But
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: it definitely had elements of like these guys ate a
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: lot of mushrooms, which was part of why it went viral.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: But there were some really solid arguments in there. And
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: the title of the paper was scientific openness to the
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: cryptoterrestrial idea. That's all we're advocating for. And we listed
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: four main ways in which this cryptoterstrial idea could happen.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: And the fourth one is what really got clickbaity, because
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: we were like, maybe there was a breakaway civilization. That's
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: the cryptoterustrial idea, but maybe an advanced reptile dinosaurs didn't
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: go extinct, and this was you know, we don't think
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: this actually happened, but we're just putting out arguments for
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: what this idea could be. And so yeah, they took
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: that and put like dinosaurs at keyboards and stuff like that.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: But one of them is time travelers, and it would
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: make sense if you were in the future, instead of
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: jumping back through time in order to study people in
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: a specific time, you set up a base on the
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: far side of the moon or up until the sixties seventies,
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: we wouldn't know they were there. Set up a base
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: under the oceans. And this would go for the extraterrestrial
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: idea too. Instead of traversing the vast swaths of space,
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: come here, set up under the oceans where we're not
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: going to find you Antarctica, far side of the moon,
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: and then you can do everything here locally instead of
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: having to jump across space. Extraterrestrial, jump across time, extra tempestrum.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 3: Well, it also explained some of the very strange ways
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 3: that they've observed crafts moving under the water, like they've
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 3: observed crafts moving under the water at five hundred knots
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 3: but are as big as a football field. And apparently
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 3: there's video of these things. Apparently there's something that they
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 3: filmed that is as big as a football field that
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 3: was going essentially five hundred miles an hour underwater without
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 3: any ripples, not disturbing the water at all, not creating
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 3: a wake, and then.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: Move in right out of them. And the trans medium capacity.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you know, when you think about how little exploration, exploral,
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 3: excuse me, exploration, we've done to the bottom of the ocean,
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 3: it's we know more about the moon than we do about.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: The surface of the actual bottom of the ocean. Yeah. Yeah,
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: it would be a great place to hide out. And again,
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: you know, the ability to move in and out of air, water, space,
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: upper atmosphere with no disturbances, the trans medium capabilities, that
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: whole warped space time bubble around them would help explain
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: that too. That they're not experiencing the water, they're not
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: experiencing the air as they move between them. Like I
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: always think about, I really love skiing, and one of
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: my favorite times to ski is is late season. You know,
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: it's April, the sun's out, everybody's in T shirts, or
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: bikinis or whatever. I don't wear bikinis, but people do.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: And you get into that slushy stuff. You're cruising down
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: the mountain, you hit the slush and you just go
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: ass over kettle, you know, over the type of your skis.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: And that's what you know, we would expect if they're
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: moving in and out of air and water and space,
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: is that there would be some resistance. There's not. You know,
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: they don't have that, and it does indicate that there
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: is some sort of manipulation of space and time around them.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: And yeah, moving underwater, these football field sized craft going
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: that fast, I mean, how can you do that if
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: there is actual resistance from the water.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 3: Well, it just makes you wonder how much does the
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 3: government know. You know, you've seen that guy timber Shat
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 3: talk about it.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: There's hilarious.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was very funny. I mean he was just
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 3: casually mentioning that there's five different locations in the ocean
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 3: of the world, in the seas of the world where
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 3: they've observed crafts coming out of That's a very weird
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 3: thing to just say while you're walking, just casual talk
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 3: about it.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: And with such confidence. Yeah, I mean they're doing these gifts.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: They're talking to people behind closed doors. They don't have
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: the same requirement to not disclose things as those people do.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: And they didn't sign NDA's And he has a hilarious
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: way of talking about it. He's got the best one
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: liners of anybody discussing this stuff. I mean, somebody knows,
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: somebody knows a lot of things. A lot of people
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: probably know a lot of things and have for a
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: very long time. But you know, what is that relationship?
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: What do they control? Why are we not allowed to know?
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 3: Well, this is the real question, Like what do they
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 3: actually know about what's going on in the ocean, Like
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 3: if there are bases somewhere down in the ocean. There's
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 3: that weird one, the Baltic Sea anomaly. I don't know
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 3: that with that one, Jesse Michael's just to show about
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 3: it where he interviewed the guy who found it. I
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 3: think they're treasure divers and they found this very strange
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 3: thing that is sitting on the floor of the ocean,
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 3: and it has right angles to it and it's kind
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 3: of curved. There's an actual I don't know what kind
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 3: of images of it. But they have explored this thing
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 3: and he's convinced that it's it's not a natural formation.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Interesting, See if you can find something on the
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: Baltic Sea, put that into our sponsors. It's like, that's
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: what a basis.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 3: It looks like a fucking millennium Falklin. What's wrong with
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 3: my mouth today? I can't say millennium falcon like that's
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 3: what it looks like.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: That's interesting.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 3: So you know, look, this could be something that's sitting
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 3: on or it could be something that was built at
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 3: a time where this was not covered by ocean. Like
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 3: you live in Montana. Montana used to be the great
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 3: inland sea, right there was you could find seashells in Montana,
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 3: which is really weird.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and even all along the coast of Alaska, Like
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: there's about one hundred and ten foot rise in sea
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: level over the last twelve thousand years.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 3: What more images Like what is that?
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: Then? Yeah?
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 3: And these are all artistic renditions, some of them are.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 3: But the other one, that blue one that you see there,
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 3: that's the real thing. That's what it actually looks like.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty anomalous, right, And what is that though?
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 3: Is that an ancient structure that people built? You know
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 3: twenty thousand years ago, like what is it? Baltic Sea
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 3: anomaly is a sonar detected sea floor formation in the
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 3: Northern Baltic Sea found in twenty eleven by Swedish ocean
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 3: X formerly Ocean Explorer team during a treasure hunting expedition.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 3: Most geologists who have examined the available data consider it
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 3: a natural rock formation shaped by glacial processes, despite ongoing
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 3: popular speculation about UFOs or artificial origin.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah it's tough, man.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 3: There's that thing off the coast of Malibu too. Is
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 3: that Malibu or is it a Catalina Island? Was that
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 3: one thing where it was in Google Earth and then
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 3: they blurted out after a while.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: I think that's just a Google wor thing. Maybe maybe not,
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: but it.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 3: Was on Google Earth and then it now it's blurred.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: At read work where they're getting the data from Google Earth,
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: you know, like where that what is that data? You know?
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 3: So it was like bad data and then it cleared up.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: Okay. Also, that's a good answer I did. It's a
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: good answer for the government. I did a talk in
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: Manhattan last year and Tim Galladett was one of the speakers,
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: and he was showing images of I think what you're
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: talking about where there was like this sort of almost
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: like a cliff the water and then had some strange
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: things around it. Yeah, it had been modified or I didn't.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: I don't remember exactly what he was saying, but I
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: think that I think that's what you're talking about. It
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: was just off a Catalina island. That's right.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was very weird looking. A lot of people
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 3: were expecting. And one of the reasons why it's very weird,
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 3: there's a lot of sightings off a Catalitian island.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of sightings out there. Yeah, and it
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: you know, again, it makes sense if they were trying
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: to covertly study us, regardless of their origins, ultra terrestrial,
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: extraterrestrial whatever, use the oceans perfect perfect base. It's very different,
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: especially if you can move in and out of there
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: with impunity, not just because we won't see them, but
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: they have the technology to make the water and the
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: air the same thing. Click on that image where the
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: cursors at. Yeah, so that's it. That's it. Whatever that is, like,
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: that looks real weird. It does look weird.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 3: That looks real weird. Whatever the hell that is? That's
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 3: so strange. It's so strange looking. But again that's like,
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 3: is that what it really looks like? What are the
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 3: new images?
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: Is the new one? The right? Okay, that's it right
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: there on it's from twenty fourteen, Like, what the hell
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: was that? It's got pillars.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's very strange that has those sort of
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 3: uniform shaped pillars.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and the top looks very fractural, like something you
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: would make to withstand the weight of the water.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 3: Like a garage door. Yeah, like it's a garage door
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 3: to a base.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: Yup. No. I mean again, when I started out in this,
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: I was relatively conservative with my views on things. But man,
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: the further you go down this rabbit hole, just the
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: weirder shit gets, and you can't do that anymore. You've
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: got to recognize that there's a lot of things that
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: just you can't write off, you know, the impossible become possible,
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: or at least you have to open your mind to
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: the fact that these things you used to think were
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: impossible need a second look. Right.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 3: And then there's also the people that work in military
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 3: intelligence that work with these defense contractors that say there's
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 3: black operations, like operations that are completely top secret that
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 3: are thirty years ahead of anything that you can imagine
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 3: right now. So you go, okay, well, what does that
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 3: look like? What is thirty years ahead of us now?
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: Look like? Yeah, like that was SR seventy one, the
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: Blackbird or whatever it is, black whatever. Yeah, Like we
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: didn't even know about that until twenty years after they
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: had made it. And it makes sense. You know, you
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: don't want your enemies to know. And that's an argument
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: that's been made over and over that we can't disclose
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: things because then our enemies will have this type of course.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: And I always thought growing up that, you know, it'll
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: take a war before they're like, oh, we need to
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: use these things we've been developing, Like we're getting our
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: ass kicked in this war. It's time to bring out
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: the UFOs and niches age as their weapons and stuff.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: But I kind of think it's going to happen before that.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: It's it's weird to say, but I kind of get
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: the sense that it is happening. There's been a lot
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: of false horizons. People have been saying that for a
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: long time. But that doesn't feel different. I mean, it.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 3: Definitely does feel different. It definitely feels that the general
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 3: public is a lot more open to the concept without
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 3: being thought of as a fool. It used to be
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 3: when I was a kid, if you'd bring up UFOs,
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 3: people just roll their eyes. Especially before the Internet. Oh
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 3: my god, if you brought up any of that stuff,
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 3: they would laugh at you. I was reading some book
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 3: on Roswell once, like I think it was in the
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 3: nineteen nineties, and you know, this guy's like, what the
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 3: fuck you waste your time with this complete horseshit for
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 3: there's no such thing as UFOs, Like, how do you
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 3: say that with such confidence? Like we live in a
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 3: galaxy with hundreds of billions of scar stars, just in
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 3: this galaxy, with hundreds of billions of stars in other galaxies,
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 3: and there's hundreds of billions of other galaxies, Like what
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 3: are you saying? That's crazy to say that we are
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 3: the only ones it is.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: They did a really good job at making us feel
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: like idiots.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well you can see how that can be done,
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 3: you know, I mean, look what they did during the
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 3: COVID crisis. You know, if you don't get a vaccine,
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 3: make your end of life preparations now, you know, like
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 3: you're going to be killing everybody. No one's going to survive.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: This disease targets the unvaccinated, and people believed all that. Well,
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: I think the two are related too, because we started
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: to figure out that we've been lying to about UFOs,
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: and the obvious question is what else? What else were
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: they lying to us about?
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 3: Yes, well, I think once we realize how strong the
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 3: propaganda machine is and how gullible people are, Oh yeah,
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 3: that's the big one, easily. I mean, if people were
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 3: going to accept something as one percent truth without any
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 3: investigation or any skepticism from the pharmaceutical drug industry, they
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 3: are the most evil motherfuckers that have ever lived. They
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 3: are responsible for more death from releasing drugs that have
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 3: horrible adverse side effects that they knew about. They have
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 3: taken the largest criminal finds of any companies. I mean,
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 3: what they've done is really fucking creepy when you look
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 3: at how they release drugs that they knew were going
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 3: to fuck people over, and they knew those people didn't
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 3: need those drugs. And yet when you put people in
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 3: a scary situation and you make them terrified and you
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 3: offer up at a solution, they believe wholeheartedly that the
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 3: pharmaceutical drug companies were only telling the truth and anybody
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 3: who didn't believe.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: The best interest in mind.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 3: So it's like that sheep mentality is so strong with
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 3: so many people. There's so many coward in the world
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 3: and so many followers that will just step in line
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 3: the moment things get weird, whenever they get challenged, the
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 3: moment things get weird. That it just makes sense that
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 3: if you make it like socially, you become a social pariah.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 3: If you start talking about UFO here's Mike was fucking
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 3: wacky UFO theories, Like, people don't talk about those things,
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 3: they don't want to bring them up.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: And the military industrial complex is kind of the equivalent
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: of the pharmaceutical companies on the other side of this coin. Sure,
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: you know, we trust them, they defend us. Whatever they
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: are making, I'm sure they'll use for great purposes. But yeah,
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: I mean a big part of that was making us
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: feel like idiots for talking about this stuff. And that
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: is changing though, and it's not largely because of you know,
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: ancient aliens. I've been on the show five times. I
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: had a little bit of cognitive dissonance. The first time
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: I went on that show goes, they go way out,
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: they get out there man. Yeah, and they they totally
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: just fun. It is fun, you know, and that's how
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: I approached it. Well, I also approach it because I
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: was trying to talk about this theory. They did this
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: funny bait and switch for the first three episodes. I
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: was on whether They're like, hey, come down, talk about
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: your theory. I'm like, oh, okay, so I'll go to
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: La or wherever and we do the shoot. They cut
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: out everything about my books and this theory and just
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: use me to talk about whatever. This show was actually
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: about little small snippets. Yeah, I cut onto that, and
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: so the fourth time I went, I was like, all right,
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: but I'm only doing if you guys actually you know,
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: but in the one of the episodes was about this
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: whole theory anyway, so it made sense, but I forgot
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: we're talking about, oh, the stigma. So one of the
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: cool things that's been happening largely because of Ancient your show,
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: you know, you talk about this a lot, and it
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: helps normalize it for a lot of people is that
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: there's a safe space now, you know, like where you'll
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: be talking about these things and someone will come up
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: who had a sighting when they were you know, a
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: teenager or in their forties or whatever, and they never
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: told anybody. And now it's like, wait, it's safe to
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: talk about this, and that's so cool to see, man.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: And then it makes me realize just how many people
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: have had an experience. It's been bottled up inside. It's
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: liberating to let that come out. And we're sharing information
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: and contact ease too. You know. Unfortunately, I started saying earlier,
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: we're still kind of stuck on this is changing too,
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: but we're still largely stuck on the cockpit videos and
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: the fleer and the gimbal and the go fast. But
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: people have been taken into these craft, they've had stuff
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: put on their junk, and they're seeming take it, you know,
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: like there's a lot of no nose square touching that
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: happens antal probes, you know, and we used to laugh
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: at that, but that is such a common theme throughout
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: these and we need to recognize that these people are
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: having real experiences and have been having them for a
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: very long time. Let's move on, let's talk to these people,
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: Let's let the contact these and experiencers who have had
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: the closest form of a close encounter you can have
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: let's trust them. Now, let's listen to what they have
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: to say. Let's be discerning, you know, but let's keep
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: an open mind.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 3: Well, I think one of the more interesting things when
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 3: you start talking about stories and encounters. One of the
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 3: more interesting things to some of the research that Jacques
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 3: Vallet has done where he brings up stories that absolutely
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 3: predate the modern cultural visions of UFOs, like the modern
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 3: cultural concept of the close encounter, the third top kind
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 3: type grays that come down, any flying saucer. All those
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 3: things like flying saucer didn't even come out until the
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 3: Kenneth Arnold experiences. So it's these encounters people were talking
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 3: about from the seventeen hundreds and the eighteen hundreds, and
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 3: they're talking about something coming down and something interacting with
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 3: people and you know, them having some sort of experience
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 3: of lost time. It's the threat is very common. The
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 3: Betty and Barney Hill story.
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: Yep. Yeah, It's not just the gammyte extractions. I mean,
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: you could make the argument that a lot of things
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: that happened in very mainstream religious texts exactly what people
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: are describing. Even the CIA admitted that people like unexplainable
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: pregnancies are an aspect of the phenomenon. You know where
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: Jesus come from, kind of an unexplainable pregnancy. I think
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: Jesus was time traveler personally a time traveler. Yeah, that's
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: another aspect of that book. It's in my satire book. Yeah,
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: I think, oh, you literally have Jesus out. I've got
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: some shit for that with the double bird. He's throwing
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: up the double bird. It turns out Christians don't like that. Well,
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: you can't please everybody, right, no, he can't. But there
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: are many aspects of Jesus's life big fan of Jesus,
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: by the way, that are very paranormal. A lot of
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: these seemingly miraculous things I think can be explained with
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: a lot of the same technologies that we see today.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: We just didn't have a way of conceptualizing them. Obviously.
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: Ezekiel is the one that gets talked about a lot,
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: the wheel within a wheel, the telepathy, the embers burning embers. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: and then you look at the Nephalim like uh and
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: all kinds of different Babo wanna rasa this story from
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: Zulu lore. It's it's a fucking alien abduction man. And
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: they've been telling this story for So it's this this woman,
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: the sky goddess who chooses a man to mate with
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: and comes down, tests him to make sure that he
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: knows that. It sort of appears in his dreams, uh,
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: communicates telepathically, gets him ready for this interaction. He's in
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: love with her, never met her before she comes down
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: from the sky and it takes him up with her
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: on this rainbow of light, like all of the like.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: And I made the case of my second book that
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: if Antonio vs. Boas had been able to go back
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: with the woman that he had sex with, it's basically
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: the same story. Hmmm. So his Brazilian lawyer is telling
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: a story that's identical to the Zulu legend that's been
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: told for centuries millennia. I don't know how far it
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: goes back kin weird, but we need to look outside
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: of just the mainstream view, which is finally happening. So
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: I'm excited about that. I'm very grateful. I have a
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: lot of gratitude about what's happening.
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 3: Well, the question we can go farther why did the
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 3: mainstream view become what it is? And we know that
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 3: that is because of a concerted, concentrated propaganda effort. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 3: and a very effective one. I mean, they nailed it,
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 3: but they had there was no other media back then.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 3: They had complete control of newspapers, complete control of television stations. Yeah,
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 3: I mean how many people, I mean, how much do
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 3: we know now about various news anchors that were actually
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 3: CIA And there's a fucking shit ton of them.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: And even that if they weren't, they were being force
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: fed this stuff that they were happy to regurgit to you.
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, Yeah, they just wanted to look good in have
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 3: a suit and speak like an expert.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: Here we go. And if you don't tell the line,
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: somebody else will.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you're living a great life, travel meer say
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 3: that a nice house. Why would you fuck this up
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 3: over a UFO story? Just tell your friends, Just tell
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 3: keep it to yourself.
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: You're supposed to tell them.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's easy to get people to comply like that,
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 3: especially when they're dependent upon you know, whether it's a
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 3: corporate entity like CNN or whether it's New York Times
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 3: or whatever it is. It's it's not hard to get
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 3: people to comply.
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: No, And you're right, since the Internet, things have changed radically,
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: Like I'm really radically radically, But I think there's a
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: downside too. We're we've already kind of been moving toward
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: a post truth existence. Good lord man, Like, I'll scroll
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: through videos on Twitter now, ninety percent of them are fake. Oh,
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: there's so much. It's so ridiculous and it's a crazy
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: I make the unfortunate decision to go into the comments
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: to see what percentage of people think it's real. Eighty ninety,
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: I would say at least ninety's Like I just have
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: still have it on my phone. It's a stupid fucking
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: video of a rabbit like nursing. It's little rabbit babies,
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: and then one of them is a cat. So the
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: mom cat comes in picks the fucking baby cat up
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: by the nose like they're magnetically attached. It doesn't even
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: grab it, like they just the baby kind of comes
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: with it and then walks out the back of the
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: burrow like there's no back to a rabbit burrow, you know,
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: And everybody's like, oh, whoops, that cat made a mistake,
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: drinking from the wrong species. People don't see it. They
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 1: don't see that this is very obviously fake, and it's
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: it's not just for that, like they're using it for propaganda.
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: They're using it for the same type of thing that
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 1: they've used forever. Oh well, this UFO phenomenon is not
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: real because AI made this video.
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 3: Well, there's also the problem with what percentage of people
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 3: that are even commenting are actual people.
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: Exactly, it's a huge amount of.
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 3: Bots that are communicating on all the social media platforms.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 3: A giant percentage of the comments are not real people.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 3: That's a really good point. Yeah, no, you're right, So
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 3: they would comment on anything and just say what.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: That also still feeds the perception that it's real. Yea,
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: because other people that maybe don't have great critical thinking
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: skills or discernment, because you know, they're a ninety year
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: old grandma that doesn't know how to use a computer.
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: She sees that, Oh it's cute.
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 3: I think it erodes the consensus intelligence. Yeah, like the
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 3: can like the overall level of intelligent discourse that a
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 3: society puts out. You know, if you have a town square,
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 3: which is like Twitter is our town square, right, if
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 3: that town square is populated by fake people, like enormous
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 3: percentage populated by fake people that are just designed to
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 3: say the most inflammatory, ridiculous things to get interaction and engagement,
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 3: and also to erode people's faith in other people and
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 3: to make us argue with each other.
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: To construct the other. Like you're saying at the beginning
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 1: of this conversation, it feels tribalism. Yeah, it's really problematic.
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 3: My hope is that eventually there will be some way
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 3: to accurately discern and it'll stop that stuff from happening.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 3: You know that you'll be able to tell very clearly
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 3: whether or not it's an actual person. The problem is
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 3: that if that does happen, it's a gateway to digital
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 3: id because you would have to lose your anonymity because
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 3: if you're a like, anonymity is very important for whistleblowers,
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 3: like say, if you work for corporation, you find out
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 3: that corporation is dumping stuff into a river and it's
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 3: all secret and it's illegal, and you know that if
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 3: you tell, they're going.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: To kill you.
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 3: You know, and you're an executive at that corporation. Your
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 3: consciousness troubled. You can make a fake account. You could
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 3: sign up through a VPN, You can make a fake
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 3: account and you could post all this information that you know,
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 3: and you could break a story and you don't face
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 3: any consequences. You don't get killed if you have digital ID.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 3: If we know who everybody is is posting something and
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 3: you make that same post, who knows what they do
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 3: to you? Who knows what happens.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's been happening. There's been whistle blowers who
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: have had mysterious deaths all over a long time, all
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: over the place. Yeah, it's it's Gary Webb. Didn't you
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: shoot himself in the head twice? That the story? What's
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: the one timber Shad always says, get shot or you
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: shoot yourself in the back of the head four times
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: or something. Yeah, I mean I think reference to that.
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: How did Gary Webb die?
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 3: Making sure, Yeah, there's but even if that's not true,
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 3: there's a bunch of stories about whistleblowers who go missing. Example,
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 3: if you're inconvenient, you're gonna cost them billions of dollars
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 3: and they can just get rid of you. They just
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 3: get rid of you whoever they are.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it all comes down the money, and it has
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 1: for a very long time. Was deciding if this was accurate.
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: They found in the case where someone shot themselves in
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: the head eight times a lot. There's a couple of
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 1: cases where it's happened. Boy, that's the commitment. I mean,
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: I guess if it was like an airsoft gun or something,
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: I don't think that killed me. A really inefficient way
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: to kill yourself. Yeah, the whole thing's crazy. I think
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: it's even poet. The air soft gun or soft gun
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: maybe like a bottomy kind of if you shut yourself
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: up the nose eight.
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 3: Not that fast, that's not I mean, it might.
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: Infection. Oh that's so.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 3: I guess you got enough air soft bullets in you.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: Just fills up your entire days, you ever went to the.
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 3: Doctor, and you eventually get an infection.
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: I think somebody might intervene at that point.
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 3: When I was living in LA when I first moved there,
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 3: a guy had killed himself accidentally on a set because
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 3: he took a gun that was a blank gun, and
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 3: he shot himself in the head like trying to be funny,
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 3: and he killed him because the force that comes out
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 3: of the gun is still extremely powerful, and he put
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 3: it to his temple and he literally caved a skulling.
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: That sucks. Yeah, that's rough.
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this was just an actor who just didn't know
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 3: any better, and he thought he was just gonna be funny. Yeah,
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 3: so shooting yourself in the head twice highly.
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: Unlikely eight times.
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 3: But I guess you could shoot yourself in the head
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 3: and just really fuck it up, but be aware that
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 3: you're still alive and be committed to doing it, and
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 3: then shoot yourself a second time.
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: I guess it's possible. I mean, unless the pain response
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: was like, yeah, it didn't feel good, I don't want
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: to do that again.
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 3: Or maybe the pain response was so bad you want
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 3: to do it again.
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like whoops, let's get this over with.
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 3: I don't know, but our point, what we're getting at,
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 3: is that for the longest time, there was no real
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 3: outlet to get true information out other than books, and
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 3: books are so easily maligned, you know, if someone has
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 3: a kookie book you're reading and go, oh, that guy's nuts.
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 3: That that is a conspiracy theory, And then of course
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 3: that term's popularized. During the JFK assassination because of that
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 3: very reason, there was a lot of people that doubted
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 3: the official story, and those people became conspiracy theorists.
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: Have you looked into that much? Oh yeah, I kind
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 1: of thought you that. Who do you think did it?
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 3: I think there was a lot of people. I think
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 3: here's a mistake that people make. They say Lee Harvey
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 3: Oswald acted alone, or Lee Harvey Oswald wasn't involved and
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 3: he was a patsy. Leharvy Oswald shot a cop there. Really,
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 3: there's like very few people that disagree on that. I
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 3: think he's Officer Tippett. I think that was his name
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 3: when he was on the run. So Lejarvy Oswald absolutely
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 3: seems to be some sort of an intelligent asset in
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 3: some way or another. Married a Russian woman, lived in
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 3: Russia for a while, came back to the United States
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 3: during the time of the whole I mean, this is
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 3: right after the Red Scare. The fact that this guy
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 3: went to Russia, married a Russian woman, came back and
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 3: like the whole thing.
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 1: Screw it. He could have been a patsy and involved too. Yes, right, absolutely.
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: I heard some theory once about like the driver turned around,
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: that's a horseshit gun. Or was there something about like
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: a poison or horseshit That's what I was asking because
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but a lot of those.
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 3: One of the best ways to make a conspiracy theory
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 3: seem absolutely ridiculous is to add a bunch of really
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 3: silly ones into the mix, and so that any conspiracy
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 3: theory involving something that's not the official narrative.
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: But there's just so many aspects.
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 3: So the Kennedy assassination back into the left, the head shot,
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 3: the shot in the neck from the front, the magic bullet,
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 3: which is the most preposterous, There's.
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: A lot of them.
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of these weird aspects to it. And
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 3: it's also the fact that Kenny was very hated. Also
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 3: the fact that you know it's in dely Plaza, which
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 3: is like, why would you ever drive someone through there
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 3: in a convertible. That's the president. That's a very you know,
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 3: any president is you know, we think of JFK was
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 3: the most loved president, right by half the country. That's
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 3: how it always is, folks. There's always half the country
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 3: that thinks you suck and half the country that loves you.
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 3: That's how it was with Clinton, That's how it was
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 3: with Obama, so it is with everybody.
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, we don't tend to agree on those things entire.
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 3: There was a lot of people that were very happy
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 3: when he died, including Dulles. So Dulles was fired by
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 3: JFK and then was on the Warren Commission investigating JFK's assassination,
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 3: which is hilarious.
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: It's kind of crazy.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 3: Richard Nixon also in the Warren Commission. The Warren Commission,
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 3: there's a great book on it called Best Evidence by
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 3: David Liften, and he was an accountant that was hired
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 3: to do something with the Warren Commission, something of some
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 3: aspects of the Warren Commission. So he decides to read
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 3: the whole thing. It's a huge amount of pages. I
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 3: forget how many pages are in the Warren Commission report.
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 3: I think it's at least nine hundred pages. So he
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 3: reads the whole thing and after it he comes this conclusion,
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 3: like there's so many inconsistencies, there's so many contradictions. There's
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 3: like this, this doesn't make any sense, Like they were
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 3: trying to reach a conclusion. So many of the witnesses
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 3: that saw the assassination died in very weird deaths. The
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 3: statistical possibility or probability of all those people dying from
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 3: murder suicide car accidents, you know.
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 1: It's just too weird. It's too weird. What about the
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 1: UFO connection, Like that's the one I hear, I don't
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: know if they were like Cia ties and I don't know.
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 1: I don't know what's bullshit and what's not. You know, like, yeah,
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 1: there was clearly like we had the technology for twenty
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 1: years at that point. But yeah, what what does a
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 1: president even know?
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 3: I don't know what they know. I don't know whether
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 3: or not they would kill him for that. That doesn't
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 3: make any sense. That doesn't make any sense. You know
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 3: the Nixon story with uh Jackie Gleeson.
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 1: Huh No, I don't think you know.
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 3: That's sort The story is that Jackie Gleeson and Nixon
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 3: were drinking one day and you know, they were friends,
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 3: and Nixon was like, I want to see a fucking UFO.
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 3: They get in a plane and now he took him
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 3: to Was it right, Patterson?
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 1: Jamie, do you remember? I think it was somewhere in Florida,
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 1: but I don't they. I remember when we looked this up,
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 1: they said, there's he went somewhere. I'll look it up.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 3: So anyway, supposedly sees this recovered craft and bodies that
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 3: are in freezers. So Jackie Gleeson, one thing's true about this.
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 3: He became obsessed with ufolks. That is true, and it
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 3: be hard not to after something like that. Yeah, there's
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 3: definitely a catalyst. I'm mad, I mean, fucking dude, right now,
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 3: someone took me if Trump called me up.
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: When I see some shit.
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 3: And all of a sudden, I'm standing in front of
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 3: some craft that's made of this unknown alloy, and especially
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 3: some of the weirder stories where you have a craft
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 3: that's like forty feet wide, you go inside of it,
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 3: it's bigger than a football field.
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 1: That's wild. So here it is.
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 3: Nixon arranged for him to visit Homestead Air Force Base
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 3: in Florida. Upon his arrival, armed guards took Gleeson to
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 3: a building at a remote location on the site. There, Gleeson,
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 3: who harbored an intense interest in UFO, saw the embalmed
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 3: bodies of four alien beings two feet long with small,
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 3: bald heads and big ears. He was told nothing about
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 3: the circumstances of the recovery. He swore his wife to secrecy,
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 3: but after the divorce, Beverly freely discussed the story. In
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 3: the mid eighties, UFO ufologist Larry Bryant sued the US
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 3: government to get it to reveal it's UFO secrets. He tried,
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 3: without success to subpoena Gleason. Wow, I want a subpoenat Gleason. Yo,
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 3: that's crazy.
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: I mean he could just pleaded the fifth the whole time.
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I was drunk. I don't remember anything. Yeah, exactly.
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, how would you know? But but Gleason
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 3: built a house in upstate New York.
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I heard about that. It looks like a
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 1: UFO it is, right now. Yeah, we thought about buying it.
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: I did. I looked that up one time. I don't
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 1: remember why, but it's it's kind of kind of cool. Yeah,
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 1: it's kind of cool.
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 3: But the problem is if we bought it, everybody would
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 3: know that that's ours true, Like, oh, Joe Rogan's got
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 3: the UFO house, and then they'd visit and fuck up
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 3: my vacations.
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 4: Sore.
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 1: That's true. That's always bound to happen. I remember that's
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 1: the house, very gold house.
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 3: I mean, come on, man, that's very sweet, fucking crazy.
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: Something happened. He was he was there was a catalyst
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 1: involved in his interest.
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, if you're friends with Nixon and this
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 3: is in the nineteen sixties and this all this stuff.
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 1: Is Yeah, I saw an interview with Barry Goldwater where
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 1: he was talking in dope house by the way, talking
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 1: about asking, uh, asking some commander in general about what's
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 1: it right, Pat, And I guess he just cussed him out.
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 1: Barry goldwater He was really never fucking asked me that again.
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, really, yeah, he cussed out Barry goldwatering.
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 1: It was a yeah. I don't think he was ever
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 1: present candidate, but yeah, no, they there's people that don't
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: want us to know. The big thing going around now
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 1: is that Dick Cheney was the ring leader of all
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: of this, the deep state, the UFO secrets, the the gatekeepers. Wow,
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 1: he had to know, of course that guyn't Kissinger too,
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 1: probably like the legacy programs. These are legacy people.
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 3: Well, someone has got to talk, right, But it's like,
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 3: but at to what level? And the idea, here's here's
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 3: the really erroneous idea that a lot of people hold.
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 3: People can't keep a secret. Of course they can, of
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 3: course they especially in the Yeah, of course they can,
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 3: especially if I mean there are certain programs that if
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 3: you disclose the existence of this program, it is considered
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 3: treason and they are allowed to execute you for that.
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 1: So you have to take that into consideration. I would
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 1: keep a secret. If that is the case.
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 3: Of course, then you have to take into consideration and
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 3: the immense amount of money. And this is discussed really
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 3: very comprehensively in the Age Disclosure documentary. I think they
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 3: did a great job of highlighting the whole problem with
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 3: the misappropriation of funds. So someone had a lie to Congress.
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 3: If they have these back engineering programs, if they've been
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 3: spending as much as a trillion dollars over the course
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 3: of X amount of years, where's that money and who
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 3: lied and who benefited from it? What military contractors were
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 3: allowed to have this stuff to back engineer it, What
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 3: process has taken place to shield the American public from that,
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 3: and what profits have they made from them that it
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 3: made them like much more like anti competition against other
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 3: military contracts to.
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 1: Keep a secret too. It's not just you might get killed,
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 1: but there's a lot of profit potential in this and
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 1: we don't want our competitors.
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 3: Also a lot of fraud, I'm sure. Yeah, like with
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 3: any no oversight at all, and a shitload.
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 1: Of mock money. Oh my god, it's.
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 3: There's not a chance in hell that there wasn't some
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 3: money to take Human.
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 1: Nature takes over and people are like, well, I could
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 1: just keep some of that. Nobody's watching the till. Yeah.
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 3: I mean, look, we're finding that with things just like
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 3: Black Lives Matter, it was a massive fraud, like just
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 3: like just all nonprofit organizations.
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Like I don't I don't want to start
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 1: shitting on NGOs or anything. But that's a big reason
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 1: why I don't give money to I'll find you know,
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 1: smaller organizations doing things on a local level.
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 3: But yeah, local and stuff you can trust.
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, you get big enough, it's just that happens.
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 1: And of course, if you're talking brillions of dollars black
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 1: money that nobody's tracing. And I mean that was one
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 1: of David Grush's arguments too, is that these whistle blowers
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 1: are exposing crimes, you know, fraud, potential murder that happened
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 1: to keep these secrets. So yeah, it's a complex, it's
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 1: a very nuanced situation that will we will have to
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 1: move past if we are going to have disclosure in
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 1: some capacity, however that happens. I mean, amnesty has been
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 1: talked about for some people.
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 3: That was in the documentary that was the road out
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 3: of this, which totally makes sense to me. Look, what
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 3: is really important. The fraud has already taken place. If
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 3: people are prosecuted for the fraud, guess what if we
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 3: don't release it, they'll never be prosecuted for the fraud anyway.
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and what's the alternative? We wait until they die
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 1: and then talk about it. I would rather just give
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 1: them amnesty now and then let them die without these secrets,
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 1: going to their deathbed with them. But just not only that.
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 3: If they're misappropriating funds, they're not just doing it thirty
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 3: years ago, they're doing it last week. So now the
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 3: current people also have Yes, that's a good point, and
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 3: it's sent to to not disclose. Yeah, unless you have
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 3: mass amnesty, just say listen, let's just forget about all
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 3: this stuff.
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 1: Then.
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 3: The problem with that is all those people that are
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 3: profiting off of it right now and also funneling money
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 3: into whatever NGOs they have, and and misappropriation.
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 1: Of money, and what do we do with that ip too,
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 1: like the onellectual property that say North grumm end or
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 1: whoever has Boeing, Like, do we share that now? Do
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 1: they have to give that up and spread it across
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 1: the industry?
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's all weird, man, It's very weird because there's
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 3: been a few inventions that came about after Roswell that
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 3: a lot of people say, like, this does not make
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 3: any fiber optics is one transistor, so another one.
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of weirdness. People are Oh, there's
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 1: are diruct and people scientific research or trows how they
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 1: made it. Yeah, but there's not.
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 3: If you go into it, it's it's like there's a
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 3: giant leap that gets made.
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 1: That's real weird. I mean I'll take more leaps, man Like. Honestly,
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 1: these crafts are be empowered by something that's very, very energized,
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 1: you know, and if we could use that to I mean,
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 1: I pay a lot and utilities. I was gonna talk
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 1: about like climate change or some ship, and then I
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 1: made about myself and your own zero point energy, the
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 1: generator in your backyard. Never have to worry about power again,
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 1: Never to n you know, as many Christmas lights as
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 1: I want.
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, never worry about the grid. The grid doesn't exist anymore.
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 1: Doesn't exist. I mean imagine that or infrastructure level, and
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 1: there's so many implications and if.
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 3: It's real, if it's real, you think it's real, right,
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 3: you're convinced.
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 1: I'm convinced it is. Yeah, I mean it makes sense.
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 1: There's so much energy trapped within the space between you know, like,
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 1: that's that's what it is, even at zero degrees. Try
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 1: to energize if.
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 3: You can, try to explain the concept of zero point energy.
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 1: Man, that's beyond my pay grade. Other than that, I
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 1: know that it is infinitely times more energetic than what
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 1: you get when you split an atom or fuse atoms
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 1: together the nuclear force. My understanding, again very limited knowledge,
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 1: is that even when you take a molecule, particle, whatever,
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 1: and you freeze it down to zero degrees, there's still
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 1: energy inside of that, and there's energy at a subquantum
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 1: level that if we could tap into that, it would
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 1: provide infinite energy. The downside is it would also make
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 1: a bomb that is much much more powerful than the
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 1: biggest hydrogen bomb, because you're releasing that energy in a
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 1: way that's irresponsible. There's this quote going around by EO. Wilson,
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 1: famed biologist on I think I saw it on Twitter
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 1: that was like, we have prehistoric emotions, medieval institutions, and
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 1: godlike technology basically saying we're fucked, yeah, because we've got
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 1: we're like little kids play in with chainsaws. Yeah, but
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 1: zero come, yeah, exactly zero points kind of that next
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 1: thing like when Einstein equals mc squared. You know, there's
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 1: all this energy and mass and if we you know,
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 1: split these atoms combined these atoms, we can release that energy. Sweet,
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 1: But hundreds of thousands of people died in Japan, you know,
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 1: so what's what's the flip side of zero point? Like
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 1: it would definitely unlock a lot of potential. But are
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 1: we responsible enough as a species to handle that type
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 1: of energy right currently?
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 3: No?
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 1: EO. Wilson says no. And I'm on board with anything.
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 3: While I'm on board with it. Just look at what's
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 3: happening in Ukraine. Look at what's happening in Godza. Look
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 3: full scale scary shit. It's happening right now in various
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 3: parts of the world where you know, we're just yeah,
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 3: blowing people to smither rings.
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 1: And you know what, that's kind of an interesting argument
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 1: about the the whole time travel thing. You know, there's
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 1: these genocides. There's genocide happening now in Gaza. Blows my
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 1: mind that we can still have genocides and just not
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 1: doing thing about it. But like polepot, you know, three
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 1: four million people killed. The holocausts are four But these
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 1: aliens don't seem to care about us. It was something
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 1: that John Mack noticed. He wrote about it a lot.
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 1: They're really focused on the Earth, you know, they care
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 1: about this planet. They don't necessarily care about us as individuals.
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 1: As a species, well clear, they care as a species,
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 1: but they do kind of care as individuals. The people
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 1: that get picked up are oftentimes obviously there's cases where
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 1: this doesn't happen, but they're cared for. They're told no
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 1: harm will come to you. You know, Barney Hill was
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 1: told that. It's a common, commonly repeated thing. So they
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 1: take care of people. They give us screen memories to
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 1: try to hide what they did. They sometimes give people
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 1: tours of the ship. They seemingly care about us as individuals,
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 1: but not when we start murdering each other on a
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 1: massive scale. They've never intervened in these things. However, they
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 1: have demonstrated their ability and willingness to shut down nukes.
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 1: They might intervene if we move to the point where
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 1: we're not just destroying ourselves, but we're destroying the planet
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 1: that they may also call home in the future. If
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 1: they are future humans, that whole care for the planet,
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 1: take care of the plant. They told the kids in Zimbabwe,
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 1: they told the kids in Whales during this other incident.
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 1: They tell these contact these all the time, take care
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 1: of the planet, take care of the planet. But they
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 1: don't seem to care about us, And it might actually
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 1: benefit them if we don't screw up this planet, either
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 1: through Nuki and ourselves or just all of the other
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 1: things we do to it, because we're kind of parasitic
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 1: in a way.
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 3: Well, also, if they are us in the future, we
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 3: probably have to go through all this to realize the
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 3: folly of our ways.
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 1: That's a good point, Dark Knight of the Soul, kind
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 1: of yeah.
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 3: I mean, clearly we're getting better. We were still horrible,
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 3: but we're better today than we were during the Viking days.
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 3: We're better today than we were during the time of
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 3: Genghis Khan, but we're better. We're more civilized, more peaceful.
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 3: There's less war, even though there's still war. So it's
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 3: a slow gradual shift of consciousness that probably is going
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 3: to be accelerated by technology, especially if there is some
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 3: sort of a technology that connects us telepathically and allows
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 3: people to read minds and one of the things that
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 3: Elon famously said about is neuralink. He's like, you're going
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 3: to be able to talk without words?
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I had a whole section in my first book
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 1: about that, the question of whether it's a technology mediated
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 1: brain to brain communication or if there's something about our
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 1: consciousness that allows us to communicate telepathically without some sort
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 1: of technology. And I kind of I did that. My
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 1: friend je Jeff Craple pointed this out. He's like, I
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 1: see why you did that. You know, You're like, well,
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 1: what if it is technology? And there's a lot of
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 1: studies that have shown we can't communicate through some sort
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 1: of computer medium, but so many people in contact ee
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 1: cases who are spoken to or can speak to the
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 1: visitors telepathically don't have that. There's also of the research
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 1: of Dean raydon at ions and all of his other
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 1: studies that he's put out that show people have telepathic
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 1: abilities with very very strong P values statistically showing that
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 1: we have this ability. I think a lot of people
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 1: have it and just don't realize. But it does seem
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 1: like we're moving in that direction. Like you were talking
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 1: about the evolution of consciousness, it seems like we're sort
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 1: of moving to that, whether neuralink has anything to do
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 1: with it, or any sort of computer mediated brain to
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 1: brain transmission. I think we're just becoming telepathic and unlocking
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 1: these abilities that have always sort of lied dormant within us. Yeah.
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 3: I've often asked the question is it one of two things?
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 3: Is this a new emerging aspect of human consciousness or
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 3: is this an aspect of human consciousness that exists before
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 3: verbal speech and then verbal speech and then of course
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 3: the written word, video, all that stuff. Yeah, it just
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 3: became completely non useful to us, lost, atrophied.
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I mean you had Kay Dickens on the
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 1: telepathy tapes were hugely impactful. Yeah, and a lot of
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 1: those episodes show that this is actually extremely common, you know,
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 1: and it seems like that's kind of where we're going.
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 1: I look at that as another indication that these are
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 1: us in the future, that their main form of communication
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 1: is telepathy, and we're already seemingly moving in that direction.
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 3: What do you make of the tridactyl mummies in Peru?
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 1: Can we pee first? Yeah? Okay, oh do that right now.
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 1: We'll be right back. Folks.
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 3: Go to Jay Anderson's X page. It's a Project Unity.
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I so he's coming on soon. Yeah he so.
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 3: Jay Anderson just released this and Jesse Michaels actually went
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 3: down to Peru and actually saw those things and handled
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 3: them in person, and he said it was fucking surreal.
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 3: He said, they are real creatures. Whatever they were, it
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 3: is a real thing and they look exactly like an alien.
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 3: He has a video that he just released, Jamie. I
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 3: think it's a video that he's releasing on that's it
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 3: right there. So scans reveal this ancient alien looking mummy
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 3: has a baby inside of her. Well, that's one of them.
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 3: So these things, like, whatever this is, can we hit
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 3: volume so you can hear what he's saying.
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 4: She has slightly smaller stature and slighter build the Maria,
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 4: but shares the same natural mummification with skin covering parts
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 4: of the body. Her skull is elongated, with large eye
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 4: orbits and cranial volume comparable to Maria's. Importantly, Monserrat Citi
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 4: scans revealed that she was carrying in her abdominal cavity.
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 4: The team identified a developing fetal form being visible on
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 4: the scans, a tiny tridactyl embryo with skeletal structure curled
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 4: in a womb like space. This confirms that Monserrat was
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 4: pregnant with at least one advanced fetus. Monserrat also contains
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 4: an astonishing array of metallic implants, at least ten distinct
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 4: metal implants embedded into her body. These include four small
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 4: round implants in her skull, two on each side, several
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 4: in her chest and thoracic area, and others along her
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 4: arm and leg bones. As per the CT images, they're
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 4: described as very dense and made of rare metals osmium
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 4: and gold. Additionally, Monserrat's chest anatomy is peculiar. She has
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 4: an expanded rib cage without a sternum like the other tridactyls,
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 4: and an interclavical bone an extra bone at the shoulder
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 4: girdle noted by researchers. Her spine is continuous into the skull,
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 4: again demonstrated that craniocervical canal has been one of the
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 4: most deeply analyzed specimens. High resolution one hundred and twenty
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 4: eight sliced CT scans were performed and a full three
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 4: D virtual auto he was conducted. The scans confirmed Monserrat's
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 4: pregnancy with tridactyl features.
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 1: How strange is this? Like what is that?
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 3: And these are in Peru, the same place where you
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 3: get the Nasca lines, the same place where you have
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 3: sakso Himan. You have these incredible structures that defy logic,
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 3: defy conventional construction methods, especially.
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 1: And like the owl Man, you know, the big petroglyphs
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 1: on the side of the hill that yeah, only be
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 1: appreciated from space.
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of weirdness. There's a lot of weirdness
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 3: from Peru. Peru seems like a very extraordinary place and
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 3: at one point in time. Well, also the the ancient
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 3: uh artistic depictions of these exact beings. There's these ancient
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 3: tapestries and ancient art pieces that show these three fingered
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 3: three toad beings and this is all like a part
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 3: of their folklore. And then you have these actual creatures,
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 3: Like that thing is one thousand, four hundred years old,
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 3: I think it is. So if if that that's the
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 3: carbon date on that mummy, so I think it's that old.
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 3: There's one that's twelve hundred. I think the oldest one
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 3: is like.
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 1: Fourteen hundred sounds right, yeah, something like that.
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 3: But like whatever that is, Like there's not a chance
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 3: in fucking hell that people back then had the ability
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 3: to fake that, and that with that depth you see
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 3: ten in structures, ligaments, you have a completely different skeletal structure,
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 3: no sternum, different clavigal bones.
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 1: It's freaking crani.
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 3: Three fingers, three toes, which is, by the way, exactly
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 3: what Lazar described. I believe as are some people have
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 3: described as like the control It might not be Lazarre,
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 3: the controls inside the crass that they have observed that
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 3: had these three fingered things. Ourgenior Brazil. Those things had
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 3: three fingers in three toes.
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 1: So the question is like they saw footprints too in
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 1: that case didn't then?
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well they there's something one of the soldiers carried,
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 3: carried a hurt and injured whatever.
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 1: It is, Yeah, like an alley or something. Yeah, that's
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 1: the moment of contact documentary. Very good, very good.
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 3: James Fox documented is.
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 1: I watched that with James Fox a pre before we
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 1: released it. We were at the same conference in the
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 1: Crazy documentary. Yeah, it's really good.
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 3: But those things look exactly like that.
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, way described It'd be cool if they still had eyeballs,
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 1: because they said they had red eyes and the right doco,
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 1: which would be kind of crazy.
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 3: Whatever these things are there, they are the same size
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 3: and the same shape, and they're also that thing that
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 3: triedactal thing.
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 1: What does it look like? It was exactly like gray.
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 3: It's small, it is a big head, it's big eyes,
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 3: it's very thin, thin body like when you look at
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 3: its body when it's curled up in the fetal positions,
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 3: no muscle, very small.
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 1: There's definitely, I mean, there's variation and within the way
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 1: these things are described. Unfortunately, until we have like you know,
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 1: so dude got to go with Nixon to see these
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 1: things in liquid. That's like a wet dream of mine. Man,
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 1: I would love to go see these things and like
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 1: study them as a biological anthropologist. That would be the
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 1: holy grail for me.
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 3: Actually, somewhere that you could go right now on Earth
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 3: if you knew the right guy.
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 1: You see that? Absolutely, Yeah, I'm sure there's many, many
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 1: examples of these things. I would argue in multiple places
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 1: that I'm not allowed to go see. And it makes
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 1: me mad.
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 3: Oh, but what is your take when you see these things?
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 1: Right? So, I've always been outwardly critical of them, except
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 1: I guess the question is which ones, And what do
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 1: we mean by real, Like these are obviously real. These
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 1: are things that aren't a fairy tale. I mean, they
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 1: make their way into the lore. So we do have
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 1: to take that in the same way that these, you know,
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 1: ancient stories about things that are very similar to the
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 1: UFO phenomena. This is an actual physical That's what I'm saying.
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. This doesn't make believe this is
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 1: a real thing. I've been highly critical of the little ones.
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, this is a du ones. Yeah yeah, But
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 1: when I first started talking about these, those were conventionally
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 1: understood to be real too. Oh really, I got a
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 1: lot of shit for that. I actually retired from the
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 1: Mummy thing. I'm happy to come out of retirement for you, Joan,
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 1: but I retired from the Mummy thing because I was
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 1: getting trolled so hard, so aggressively. I'm like, out, I
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 1: don't give a shit why people that thought they were
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 1: real but they look fake. The difference between them. We
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 1: all say that now, we weren't saying that even three
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 1: or four years ago. Oh, I definitely was, well, yeah,
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 1: and you look at them, it's very obvious. But a
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 1: lot of people are like, no, no, they're these are
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 1: so real animal and that's why I have to sort
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 1: of approach this cautiously, because I will admit scientists don't
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 1: do this enough. I will admit I haven't looked into those,
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 1: so I don't want to form an opinion about them,
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 1: and till I have, I have extensively looked into the
• 2:05:03
  Speaker 1: small ones. I forget what they're called. They have cute
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 1: little names, and they're little dolls. They're made out of
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 1: animal bones, human bones, backward lama skulls. They're put together.
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 1: I've been looking at these long enough that I remember
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 1: when they were held together by pieces of wire and metal,
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 1: like they didn't even try to really hide that U
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 1: X RAYM looked at home Jesus Christ, you know. But
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 1: then we moved away from that to like, oh, they're
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 1: using better materials to hide the fact that they're sticking
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 1: these together as little dolls. And now fortunately we've at
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 1: least moved past to the point where most people are
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 1: just focusing on these big ones with the fingers and
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 1: the toes and the elongated skulls. Again, I don't want
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 1: to speak to those because I haven't looked into it enough.
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 1: I don't have an informed opinion. But the little dolls.
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 1: One thing that concerns me that I think is a
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 1: red flag is that the little dolls that are now
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 1: convention understood to be fake have the same diotamacious earth
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 1: characteristics as these. And there's also I think, if they
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 1: really want to prove these are real, do more to
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 1: highlight the provenience of them. In archaeology, the way that
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 1: we understand the way things are related is by doing
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 1: a massive, as I mentioned earlier, very boring survey of
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 1: how things are located in three dimensional space and over time.
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 1: I think there's a.
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 3: Problem with that is that some of these people have
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 3: lied about where they got them because they're essentially great.
• 2:06:30
  Speaker 1: They're grave robbing exactly, and that's a big problem and
• 2:06:33
  Speaker 1: an ethical issue that needs to be addressed too. But
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 1: so like, as an example, the Rising Star Cave Homo Nalidi,
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 1: they did you know Lee Berger, who's actually I guess
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 1: my my academic brothers. We had the same PhD advisor.
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 1: He was at Ohio State when he was my advisor,
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 1: and he was at Johannesburg University of its rogers Rand
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 1: and Johannesburg for him. But this Rising Star Cave very
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 1: meticulously hard to get to, you know, really hard they had.
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 1: He had to lose like fifty pounds to even get
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 1: down in here to see his own sight. But they
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 1: map it out, they study where everything is, where it
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 1: comes from, and they publicly release that information. Yeah, like
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 1: this is extremely hard to get into. But we have
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 1: a very deep knowledge of the provenience of all of
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 1: the artifacts and the features and the remains at this site.
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 1: We're not getting that with these mummies, and that that
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 1: troubles me with the issue of the dietamacious earth being
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 1: painted on, and it kind of makes it seem like
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 1: they did these slits in the eyes on purpose to
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 1: the mummies. Yeah, doesn't that seem like they kind of
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 1: went like this with like a pound Let me see
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 1: it again. Can I see some images of them? Yeah, yeah,
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 1: the big I never saw that.
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 3: It didn't seem like that to me. It seemed like
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 3: there's a little slick it's their eyelids closed.
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but they wouldn't have eyelids with them. Wellw do
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 1: we know that? I mean, you take off the dietamacious
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 1: earth and you see I guess right, But why would
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 1: we think they don't have Oh no, I'm saying that
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 1: maybe they do when they were alive.
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean we see grays or what you know,
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 3: people describe as grays, but these seems a little bit
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 3: different than what people describe as grays. It seems like, I.
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 1: Mean, it's definitely intentional cranial modification they have in the
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 1: telltale signs of Yeah. So actually, one of my questions on.
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 3: It, it's not possible that they have a totally different
• 2:08:22
  Speaker 3: designed skull.
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if there are some sort of extraterrestrial absolutely right.
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 1: But I'm saying, like when then this happens all over
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 1: the world, and it happened in that region of Peru too,
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 1: that they were manipulating children's skulls, that maya did it
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 1: the unique fingerprints to you that. Yeah, Like I said,
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 1: I don't have an opinion about these, But here's the.
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 3: Question about some red the modification of skulls. Were they
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 3: modifying skulls to try to emulate these people that these things?
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 1: That's the questions. That's one of the actual scientific explanations
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 1: for it. There's this paper by Girtsen and Girtsen from
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 1: nineteen ninety five where they interviewed people said why are
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 1: you doing this? Because they were still doing it long
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 1: enough into modern times that we could ask them, we
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 1: could interview them. And one of the reasons is because
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 1: the gods instructed them to do this. Who are the gods?
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 1: You know? Again, this comes back to that, And what
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 1: is the end result of this intentional cranial modification is
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 1: that they have the larger, more gray alien type skull.
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I would absolutely agree that that's probably a
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 1: part of it. I don't have an opinion about the
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 1: big ones. The little ones pissed me off, and then
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 1: everybody pissed me off more when I told them they're bullshit.
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 3: We should show pick people, yeah, for conscious because they
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 3: do look so fake.
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And they brought these out at that, you know,
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 1: Mexican Congress.
• 2:09:41
  Speaker 3: And the guy brought it out had been hoaxing with
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 3: other things, right, didn't you have a history anything.
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 1: She's got a little dress on, and these are an
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 1: extreme version. There's some other ones that look a little better.
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but they do look fake when I look at that.
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 3: I'm not interested in that exactly.
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 1: And that's what I was calling out, you know, five.
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 3: Years back down a little bit, Jamie below the tridactyl
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 3: until you get to that one, right, there, like the
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 3: one next to your cursor to the right. Yeah, that
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 3: looks so rigid and stiff and fake, Like, why is
• 2:10:14
  Speaker 3: it so straight and flat?
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 1: Like?
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 3: That doesn't make any sense? Why is its shoulders built
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 3: like that looks fake as fuck? That looks like a doll.
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 3: But the tridactyls now. Click an image on one of
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 3: the tridactyls.
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 1: I mean these were called tridactyls too, that's why, right,
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 1: But look at that thing that's weird, that has an
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 1: anatomy that's much more consistent with a living thing. One
• 2:10:34
  Speaker 1: of the criticisms was that these things could move like
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 1: that little doll with the straight rib cage, like the legs,
• 2:10:40
  Speaker 1: which we can identify as specific animals, they're like flipped around.
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 1: They're just stuck together. Like these things couldn't walk. There's
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 1: a form followers function aspect of these that just doesn't
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 1: make any sense. And the list goes on. I actually,
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 1: in that Crypto Terrestrial paper where we broke in and
• 2:10:53
  Speaker 1: ate all the mushrooms, I actually published a critique of
• 2:10:57
  Speaker 1: these things in that paper. But just talking about these
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 1: little ones, I.
• 2:11:02
  Speaker 3: Think those little ones where people trying to make copies
• 2:11:06
  Speaker 3: of those things because they were probably selling them to
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 3: wealthy investors or wealthy you know in enthusiasts, because like
• 2:11:14
  Speaker 3: if one of those things are for sale and some
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 3: guy from Saudi Arabia is like, I want one in
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 3: my home, and you know he gave them a one
• 2:11:22
  Speaker 3: hundred million dollars, like for sure that thing would.
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 1: Vounce and then everybody's going to find out and start
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 1: making more, right, right.
• 2:11:28
  Speaker 3: Of course that's where I make the little stupid fake ones.
• 2:11:31
  Speaker 1: And unfortunately that did lead lead to grave robbing, right,
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 1: which is a crime and really sad, but it should
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 1: just create graves for sure.
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 3: But there's also such a small amount of excavation that
• 2:11:44
  Speaker 3: it makes you ponder like how many of these are
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 3: there right now that we have not discovered, Like what
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 3: is is it possible that this is one of many
• 2:11:52
  Speaker 3: that are out there in Peru right now where you
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 3: can't find them. And also why Peru and why why
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 3: the Nazca lines and no Osca lines are absolutely fascinating.
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 3: It's artwork that you can only see from the sky,
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 3: Like what motivation to people a thousand plus years ago
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 3: at least have to make artwork that you can only see.
• 2:12:14
  Speaker 1: From the sky. Yeah, and especially if you, I mean,
• 2:12:17
  Speaker 1: the obvious thing would be that they're trying to get
• 2:12:20
  Speaker 1: these advanced beings that make them come come down from
• 2:12:25
  Speaker 1: the sky and like interact with them again. Yeah, Like
• 2:12:28
  Speaker 1: who wouldn't. A lot of contactees are really upset about
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 1: what happens. Willie Streeber is a great example. This goes
• 2:12:35
  Speaker 1: for a lot of people. But he felt violated, he
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 1: felt raped the first time, and then over time he
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 1: missed them and wanted them to come back. And that's
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 1: what we find over and over. One of the best
• 2:12:44
  Speaker 1: resources currently is the doctor Agri Mitchell Free study that
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 1: interviewed thousands of contact ees and abductees, and there's these
• 2:12:51
  Speaker 1: common themes across these different cases, and one of them
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 1: is that people eighty five percent of people who interacted
• 2:12:59
  Speaker 1: with the more human like entity enjoyed their experience. And
• 2:13:03
  Speaker 1: that's another thing that we have to combat with the
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 1: stigma and this forced shame that comes with talking about this,
• 2:13:08
  Speaker 1: and what has happened in TV and movies over the
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 1: years is that we have this sense that abductions are
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 1: horrifying and everyone's picked up and probed and hurt, and
• 2:13:18
  Speaker 1: that does happen, but most people, based on what contact.
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 1: These actually say it was a benign or enjoyable experience.
• 2:13:26
  Speaker 3: Well, they're probably terrified because it's so strange. It probably
• 2:13:29
  Speaker 3: freaks you out.
• 2:13:30
  Speaker 1: It's the ontological shock aspect. Oh it has to be.
• 2:13:33
  Speaker 1: I also found is that with repeated contact, once that
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 1: ontological shot goes away, like whoa, that was kind of
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 1: cool action. I wish I could have more of that,
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 1: Like that makes sense, and and then people come to
• 2:13:43
  Speaker 1: enjoy it. You know, that makes sense? You know.
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 3: I talked about this on Jesse Michael showan, I talked
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 3: about it here.
• 2:13:49
  Speaker 1: I had a very strategy to interview. By the way,
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 1: thank you. It was cool.
• 2:13:52
  Speaker 3: I love Jesse. He's awesome and he's the best.
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 1: Can we talk about your dream too?
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 3: But that's what I was just gonna talk about. Oh no, shit, Yeah,
• 2:13:58
  Speaker 3: that's why I said. I talked about it on Jess
• 2:14:00
  Speaker 3: and I talked about it here. That that dream was
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 3: the most realistic dream I've ever had in my life.
• 2:14:04
  Speaker 3: It is a problem, and that dream is a couple
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 3: of months ago now, and I think any recounting of
• 2:14:10
  Speaker 3: that dream is essentially me recounting my recounting.
• 2:14:13
  Speaker 1: Of the dream.
• 2:14:14
  Speaker 3: It gets weird. But what I do remember was it
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 3: was the most vivid dream I have ever had in
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 3: my life, and that I could not go back to sleep,
• 2:14:24
  Speaker 3: which is really rare.
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 1: I am. I am a good sleeper. I'm always go, go, go,
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 1: And why the time it's time to go to bed,
• 2:14:32
  Speaker 1: I fucking crash.
• 2:14:33
  Speaker 3: I'm easy. So for me to not be able to
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 3: go back to sleep was so strange. I mean, wide awake,
• 2:14:39
  Speaker 3: just lying in bed, I mean fully awake for an
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 3: hour and waiting for it to dissipate, and I'm like,
• 2:14:46
  Speaker 3: this isn't going away.
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go work out.
• 2:14:49
  Speaker 3: So I just went to the gym and just tried
• 2:14:51
  Speaker 3: to like think about, like what just happened?
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 1: Why was that so real?
• 2:14:56
  Speaker 3: One of the things about it was they were shot
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 3: and then laughing. They were trying to relax me. They
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 3: were trying to get me to at least my perception
• 2:15:09
  Speaker 3: of it in the dream was they were trying to
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 3: get me to come down from the shock of interacting
• 2:15:16
  Speaker 3: with these things that aren't human.
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 1: They were human like.
• 2:15:20
  Speaker 3: They almost seemed like their skin coloration was like like us,
• 2:15:25
  Speaker 3: but like maybe a little more tan, like a little
• 2:15:28
  Speaker 3: more like not tan, but like a yellow, yeah, more
• 2:15:31
  Speaker 3: yellow than tan, and they had it looked like clothing,
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 3: but the clothing was the same color as her skin.
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 3: But the clothing wasn't distinctive. It's like almost like a
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 3: rash guard that they were wearing. And they were very slender, and.
• 2:15:46
  Speaker 1: Uh, what's the guard?
• 2:15:48
  Speaker 3: Rash guard is like what surfers wear, you know, like
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 3: they wear. It's like a stretchy material that skin tight
• 2:15:56
  Speaker 3: that goes on your body and it keeps you from
• 2:15:58
  Speaker 3: getting scratched up by stuff, keeps you from getting rashes.
• 2:16:01
  Speaker 3: You know, you wear it on your legs. You ever
• 2:16:02
  Speaker 3: see the surfers do it? Jiu jitsu guys wear when
• 2:16:04
  Speaker 3: they roll, we wear rash guards. So it's show them
• 2:16:08
  Speaker 3: what a rash guard looks like.
• 2:16:10
  Speaker 1: And that's I had a whole suit of that.
• 2:16:14
  Speaker 3: That's what was So that's a jack guy with a
• 2:16:16
  Speaker 3: rash guard on. These things were not jacked and there
• 2:16:19
  Speaker 3: was no creases, there was no there was no lines
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 3: that indicated that it was cloth.
• 2:16:22
  Speaker 1: But I had a humanoid form.
• 2:16:24
  Speaker 3: Like arms, but very thin, very thin like Michael Jackson,
• 2:16:28
  Speaker 3: like like super slender, like genderless, genderless Michael Jackson like
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 3: the old days when he you know, just really thin
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 3: like really thin, and I had no sense of what
• 2:16:41
  Speaker 3: they felt like men to me. Maybe it was because
• 2:16:44
  Speaker 3: the way they were joking with they were like a.
• 2:16:48
  Speaker 1: Just joking around it. It was a very male thing.
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 1: You wouldn't expect it was nurturing female. Maybe a fun
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 1: chick yeah, like.
• 2:16:55
  Speaker 3: Wo But whatever it was, they were talking to me
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 3: without talking to me, and there was some sort of
• 2:17:03
  Speaker 3: communication that I was trying to absorb where they were
• 2:17:05
  Speaker 3: telling me to relax and no, they weren't moving their mouth,
• 2:17:11
  Speaker 3: but they were able to smile at me, which is
• 2:17:13
  Speaker 3: what they did when they but I don't remember. I
• 2:17:15
  Speaker 3: don't even really remember teeth. I just remember it being
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 3: so weird, so weird that them them scaring me and
• 2:17:24
  Speaker 3: going ah, I just walk it around like was like
• 2:17:27
  Speaker 3: I'm like I got it. I was like, okay, I
• 2:17:28
  Speaker 3: get it. You want me to calm down. And then
• 2:17:30
  Speaker 3: they were telling me just relax, just relax and try
• 2:17:34
  Speaker 3: to take this in. And it didn't last for very long.
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 3: I don't think James are hard to do.
• 2:17:38
  Speaker 1: But after that, like when they were saying take this in,
• 2:17:41
  Speaker 1: were they're talking about being there in the environment or
• 2:17:43
  Speaker 1: were they I got the.
• 2:17:44
  Speaker 3: Distinct impression that this was a first meeting. That's what
• 2:17:50
  Speaker 3: it felt like, Like maybe we'll see you again, but
• 2:17:54
  Speaker 3: I want to let you know that. Like if you
• 2:17:56
  Speaker 3: wanted to introduce someone to a life form from someone
• 2:18:00
  Speaker 3: or else, and you wanted them to have prolonged exposure
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 3: to it, I would imagine you'd want to do it
• 2:18:05
  Speaker 3: briefly and shockingly where it felt really weird, and then
• 2:18:09
  Speaker 3: at the end of it they're not.
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 1: Even sure if it really happened at all, and then.
• 2:18:12
  Speaker 3: Slowly, over a long period of time, when the person
• 2:18:16
  Speaker 3: gets to adapt and they make a decision.
• 2:18:18
  Speaker 1: It's just like what we were talking about with the
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 1: ontological shock. Get past that, yes, and then you can
• 2:18:23
  Speaker 1: move on with whatever is because it was very brief,
• 2:18:26
  Speaker 1: very very shocking, and very brief though, because when you're
• 2:18:31
  Speaker 1: in a dream state, time and space kind of get manipulated. Anyway,
• 2:18:35
  Speaker 1: isn't it possible that you are actually interacting for a
• 2:18:38
  Speaker 1: longer time or do you mean just feel start to finish?
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 1: Was like, here we are, I'm going to fuck with
• 2:18:44
  Speaker 1: you for a little bit and then it's over. Well,
• 2:18:46
  Speaker 1: that's what it felt like when I woke up.
• 2:18:47
  Speaker 3: So when I woke up, it felt like it happened
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 3: so quickly and then it was over. But I don't know,
• 2:18:53
  Speaker 3: you know, I don't know. I mean, I was asleep,
• 2:18:54
  Speaker 3: for it was like three in the morning, so I
• 2:18:56
  Speaker 3: was probably asleep for I probably went to bed at
• 2:18:59
  Speaker 3: like a something like that, so it wasn't a sleep
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 3: for very long. Maybe I went to bed a little later.
• 2:19:05
  Speaker 3: I don't remember. But what I do remember was the
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 3: shock of it was it was different than any other
• 2:19:10
  Speaker 3: dream I'd ever had, where it was like like this
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 3: is this is a real thing, and it I was
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 3: in a corridor and the corridor was weirdly lit, like
• 2:19:23
  Speaker 3: not lit in any way like oh, there's a light
• 2:19:26
  Speaker 3: and the light is casting light.
• 2:19:27
  Speaker 1: It was like the it was weird walls and ceiling,
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 1: but it was felt not normal.
• 2:19:33
  Speaker 3: It felt like some completely different way of lighting things.
• 2:19:37
  Speaker 1: I mean, I will mention, just from doing a bunch
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 1: of research on this, that one of the most commonly
• 2:19:42
  Speaker 1: described things about people being in UFOs is the light.
• 2:19:47
  Speaker 1: They described the light emanating from the walls, the ceiling everywhere,
• 2:19:51
  Speaker 1: without like a point plane. Did it feel like that exactly? Yeah, yeah,
• 2:19:57
  Speaker 1: but it almost was there a curvaturet in the hallway
• 2:19:59
  Speaker 1: at all. It was. It almost had like an organic
• 2:20:02
  Speaker 1: aspect to it. It was people say that about UFOs too.
• 2:20:04
  Speaker 1: Oh really yeah, that almost seems like a living entity
• 2:20:08
  Speaker 1: into itself.
• 2:20:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean organic like almost like I was
• 2:20:11
  Speaker 3: in a cave or something like that.
• 2:20:12
  Speaker 1: It was a part of earth. It was weird.
• 2:20:15
  Speaker 3: It was really weird, and it was really vivid, like
• 2:20:19
  Speaker 3: the beings were very vivid. I can't remember how many
• 2:20:22
  Speaker 3: of them there were. I do think there we should
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 3: three or four.
• 2:20:26
  Speaker 1: I don't think you should write it off as just
• 2:20:28
  Speaker 1: a dream, like I mean.
• 2:20:30
  Speaker 3: Well, most likely it was just a dream. But right
• 2:20:32
  Speaker 3: because I was what is just a dream?
• 2:20:34
  Speaker 1: That's the question. That's where it gets weird. Like I
• 2:20:36
  Speaker 1: have come to think that that is almost the baseline
• 2:20:41
  Speaker 1: real reality more than this. Oh boy, yeah, sorry, that's
• 2:20:47
  Speaker 1: kind of why I wanted to talk about it. Oh
• 2:20:49
  Speaker 1: you just cracked me. Well maybe so. I had a
• 2:20:52
  Speaker 1: really insane experience in twenty twenty two that forced me
• 2:20:57
  Speaker 1: to start thinking about what this is, what this physical
• 2:21:02
  Speaker 1: reality is, because I was shown I call it a
• 2:21:05
  Speaker 1: mini abduction. I was taken up. I was at a
• 2:21:09
  Speaker 1: UFO conference actually the same one where I was watching
• 2:21:12
  Speaker 1: that with James Fox before it came out the Virginia case.
• 2:21:16
  Speaker 1: So I was taken up to this room that no
• 2:21:18
  Speaker 1: one was in. I was taken on the balcony. I
• 2:21:20
  Speaker 1: wasn't allowed to leave by who, a woman who I knew,
• 2:21:25
  Speaker 1: but loosely basically I was downstairs. She saw or they
• 2:21:31
  Speaker 1: saw through her. Because this gets really weird that I
• 2:21:33
  Speaker 1: was out of money. I was trying to get a
• 2:21:35
  Speaker 1: beer at the bar for like twelve bucks or whatever
• 2:21:37
  Speaker 1: they charge you with these things. It was a Halloween
• 2:21:39
  Speaker 1: dance party. This was October fourteenth, twenty twenty two. I
• 2:21:42
  Speaker 1: was out of money. She comes up and says, hey,
• 2:21:45
  Speaker 1: I'm a cue to the VIP room. We had just
• 2:21:47
  Speaker 1: come down from there where they hosted a meet and
• 2:21:49
  Speaker 1: great with the speakers. I was one of the speakers.
• 2:21:52
  Speaker 1: So we went up there to get beers. Stuff in
• 2:21:54
  Speaker 1: my pockets. We're going to bring some to our friends.
• 2:21:56
  Speaker 1: They didn't have to pay twelve dollars for a beer.
• 2:21:58
  Speaker 1: And then she's like, well, you can't go. My friend
• 2:22:01
  Speaker 1: Eric wants to talk to you. I was like, who's Eric.
• 2:22:03
  Speaker 1: Don't worry, you'll like him. Just kept saying that over
• 2:22:05
  Speaker 1: and over. Don't worry, you'll like him. You like him.
• 2:22:07
  Speaker 1: So at some point we end up on the balcony
• 2:22:10
  Speaker 1: and I'm just sitting there. I give up. I'm like, fine,
• 2:22:12
  Speaker 1: I guess I'm just waiting for this Eric guy, whoever
• 2:22:14
  Speaker 1: the hell that is. So eventually Eric comes in, pulls
• 2:22:17
  Speaker 1: his chair up right into me, like his knee is
• 2:22:21
  Speaker 1: in my dick, like straight up right here. I start
• 2:22:25
  Speaker 1: to get that I'm very much fight in the fight
• 2:22:28
  Speaker 1: or flight thing. Huh. And I'm like, you know, like,
• 2:22:30
  Speaker 1: who the fuck's this guy? Total stranger, never seen him
• 2:22:32
  Speaker 1: in my life, and he's his face is right here.
• 2:22:35
  Speaker 1: He says. I sense that you're angry about this, but
• 2:22:37
  Speaker 1: I need to be this close for this to work.
• 2:22:40
  Speaker 1: And then it just all went away perfectly fine. And
• 2:22:46
  Speaker 1: they tell me something that was that same thing that
• 2:22:49
  Speaker 1: they did to you in that dream, something that they
• 2:22:52
  Speaker 1: knew would shock me and make me pay attention. So
• 2:22:56
  Speaker 1: about two weeks before this, I'd been washing dishes and
• 2:22:59
  Speaker 1: I just decided I wanted to quit all of this.
• 2:23:01
  Speaker 1: I was sick of doing TV shoots and podcasts. I
• 2:23:03
  Speaker 1: just I was exhausted and want to be home with
• 2:23:05
  Speaker 1: my family. That's it. It was just a thought. Just
• 2:23:08
  Speaker 1: while you were washing washing dishes. My wife's right behind me.
• 2:23:10
  Speaker 1: Didn't tell her or anything. Very next thing he says is,
• 2:23:14
  Speaker 1: we know you've been thinking about quitting lately, and we'd
• 2:23:16
  Speaker 1: really prefer you not do that yet, complete stranger. I'd
• 2:23:21
  Speaker 1: never seen this guy in my life, and he knows
• 2:23:24
  Speaker 1: a thought in my head Washington Dishes from two weeks
• 2:23:27
  Speaker 1: ago privately, and my I was just like, how could
• 2:23:31
  Speaker 1: you possibly know that? And they said, I'm going to
• 2:23:33
  Speaker 1: use that because they used today. I wasn't talking to
• 2:23:36
  Speaker 1: this guy. I was talking through entity or and to
• 2:23:40
  Speaker 1: tease through him. And they said, once you know who
• 2:23:44
  Speaker 1: we are, you'll know how we know that. And I
• 2:23:47
  Speaker 1: never had a telepathic moment in my life, but I
• 2:23:50
  Speaker 1: thought future humans, so I could come up with because like,
• 2:23:54
  Speaker 1: this is what I'm doing. They didn't answer the question,
• 2:23:56
  Speaker 1: but they did say, so you know how we did that?
• 2:23:58
  Speaker 1: And I just go, huh, like it doesn't answer the question.
• 2:24:01
  Speaker 1: But in that moment it placated me enough to move on.
• 2:24:05
  Speaker 1: And there was a number of things that transpired. We're
• 2:24:09
  Speaker 1: out on this balcony, I'm in shock. I'm like, what
• 2:24:14
  Speaker 1: the hell is going on here? How does this complete
• 2:24:16
  Speaker 1: stranger know my thoughts? The conversation evolved. I was allowed
• 2:24:20
  Speaker 1: to ask questions. They're like, we know you're frustrated, we
• 2:24:22
  Speaker 1: know you're upset with this. We'd really like you to
• 2:24:24
  Speaker 1: keep going. Is there anything you need? Is there anything
• 2:24:26
  Speaker 1: we can help with? I was like, no, I'm quite happy.
• 2:24:28
  Speaker 1: In general, I'm just exhausted. I don't want to do
• 2:24:31
  Speaker 1: this anymore. Like, yeah, we get that, we get that,
• 2:24:33
  Speaker 1: we get that. And then I was allowed to ask questions.
• 2:24:36
  Speaker 1: I asked three different questions, and people started to come
• 2:24:40
  Speaker 1: back to this room because the party was wrapping up
• 2:24:42
  Speaker 1: downstairs and they're starting to come back to the VIP
• 2:24:44
  Speaker 1: room where all the free booze was, so that makes sense.
• 2:24:47
  Speaker 1: And we're out on this balcony. These three women come
• 2:24:50
  Speaker 1: out at one point and this man, who now is
• 2:24:56
  Speaker 1: like just right here, like eyes right here, I can't
• 2:24:59
  Speaker 1: move anymore, like I lost the ability to turn my head.
• 2:25:02
  Speaker 1: I'm just like laser focused. Said can you close the
• 2:25:06
  Speaker 1: door behind you? That was it, and these three women
• 2:25:08
  Speaker 1: turned in perfect unison, walked back and closed the door.
• 2:25:11
  Speaker 1: Nobody came out the rest of the time we were
• 2:25:13
  Speaker 1: out there. Eventually got to the point where they're like,
• 2:25:16
  Speaker 1: we came here because we need to put three things
• 2:25:18
  Speaker 1: in your brain for some future time or times I
• 2:25:21
  Speaker 1: forget which they said, do we have your permission to
• 2:25:24
  Speaker 1: do that? And over the course of this interaction, I
• 2:25:27
  Speaker 1: started to remember them and I started to feel like
• 2:25:31
  Speaker 1: a little bit about complaining about being tired traveling hotels, flights,
• 2:25:36
  Speaker 1: you know. And I was like, oh, that's right, I
• 2:25:39
  Speaker 1: know you. I know who you are. Not that guy.
• 2:25:42
  Speaker 1: I'd never seen him in my life, but I know
• 2:25:43
  Speaker 1: you and there's a familiarity. And this was like the
• 2:25:47
  Speaker 1: breaking down of me to be able to get past that,
• 2:25:51
  Speaker 1: to do the things that needed to be done. They
• 2:25:53
  Speaker 1: told me what would happen. They said that I would
• 2:25:56
  Speaker 1: continue looking, my eyes would be open, but this darkness
• 2:25:58
  Speaker 1: would come from top to bam them and they would
• 2:26:01
  Speaker 1: put things in my brain and I would see it
• 2:26:03
  Speaker 1: coming in, but I wouldn't have access to it once
• 2:26:06
  Speaker 1: they were done. Do you agree they're very polite, extremely polite,
• 2:26:10
  Speaker 1: free will was conserved. Do you agree to this? Are
• 2:26:12
  Speaker 1: you okay with this? And again at that point I
• 2:26:15
  Speaker 1: remembered them, I recognized them. I was like, yes, absolutely,
• 2:26:18
  Speaker 1: I agree to this. That's exactly what happened. Eyes went dark,
• 2:26:21
  Speaker 1: still wide open, eyes went dark, and I see this massive,
• 2:26:24
  Speaker 1: fast stream of information just going straight into my brain.
• 2:26:28
  Speaker 1: It was exhausting. It didn't hurt, but it was like
• 2:26:31
  Speaker 1: really overwhelming. I have no idea how long they were
• 2:26:33
  Speaker 1: doing this. It was you see it, Yeah, I could see.
• 2:26:37
  Speaker 1: It was like I could see. I don't I don't
• 2:26:41
  Speaker 1: remember it, but I could see and understand the moments
• 2:26:44
  Speaker 1: because and it wasn't just me, Like at one point
• 2:26:47
  Speaker 1: this conversation switched from being vocal to telepathic, Like we
• 2:26:51
  Speaker 1: just started communicating telepathically. It was so seamless that I
• 2:26:54
  Speaker 1: didn't even really notice it happened. And eventually like, wait,
• 2:26:57
  Speaker 1: we're not moving our mouths, We're just talking with our brains.
• 2:27:01
  Speaker 1: But the woman who brought me up there in the
• 2:27:03
  Speaker 1: first place was standing on my left with her hand
• 2:27:05
  Speaker 1: on my shoulder. She would occasionally go, did you get that?
• 2:27:07
  Speaker 1: Did you see that? That was important? Did you get that?
• 2:27:10
  Speaker 1: So she was watching it too and saw it coming
• 2:27:13
  Speaker 1: in as it was coming through this individual in front
• 2:27:16
  Speaker 1: of me, and I could see it. At that moment,
• 2:27:19
  Speaker 1: I'd be like, uh huh uh huh uh huh, like
• 2:27:22
  Speaker 1: I understood it. It all comes in. I have no
• 2:27:25
  Speaker 1: idea how long I was in that mesmeri state. But
• 2:27:30
  Speaker 1: after they finished, that entire room had five times more
• 2:27:34
  Speaker 1: people in it. There was like probably twenty people in
• 2:27:36
  Speaker 1: this room all looking at is like, what the fuck
• 2:27:39
  Speaker 1: is happening? The masters out there, you know, like what
• 2:27:42
  Speaker 1: is going on? They lifted me out of this sight
• 2:27:46
  Speaker 1: return from bottom to top, the opposite of what happened before,
• 2:27:49
  Speaker 1: and I stand up turn walk through this room. It
• 2:27:52
  Speaker 1: felt like my head was a bowling ball, like I
• 2:27:55
  Speaker 1: could barely even lift my head. And this woman, I
• 2:27:58
  Speaker 1: think one of the ones that came out when we
• 2:27:59
  Speaker 1: were on the balcony, put her hand on my shoulders,
• 2:28:02
  Speaker 1: that are you okay? I was just like, oh, walk
• 2:28:06
  Speaker 1: past her. Fortunately I was on that same floor, on
• 2:28:08
  Speaker 1: the fourth floor of this hotel. Walked down, lay back
• 2:28:12
  Speaker 1: on the bed with my feet still on the floor,
• 2:28:14
  Speaker 1: all my clothes on, and just slept in that position
• 2:28:16
  Speaker 1: for about thirteen hours. What didn't wake up at all.
• 2:28:20
  Speaker 1: And when I woke up, I started crying uncontrollably, like
• 2:28:23
  Speaker 1: my my I could not stop crying. I wasn't sad,
• 2:28:26
  Speaker 1: I wasn't scared. I had a memory of what happened
• 2:28:29
  Speaker 1: the night before, but it was kind of fuzzy, and
• 2:28:32
  Speaker 1: then as it started to come back more and more
• 2:28:34
  Speaker 1: and more, I started to be like, oh shit, like
• 2:28:39
  Speaker 1: that that was real. You know. My first thought was like,
• 2:28:41
  Speaker 1: oh that that wasn't real. And then I was allowed
• 2:28:44
  Speaker 1: to remember all of it. Everything before they put me
• 2:28:47
  Speaker 1: in that state is like crystal clear in my mind.
• 2:28:49
  Speaker 1: And I wrote it all down not long after that,
• 2:28:52
  Speaker 1: just to make sure I had, you know, so it
• 2:28:55
  Speaker 1: wasn't me recounting, me recounting like you were saying. So
• 2:28:57
  Speaker 1: there was actually like a written transcript of how everything happened.
• 2:29:02
  Speaker 3: Oh and it should have probably done that, But I
• 2:29:05
  Speaker 3: know that my recollection of it is pretty accurate, my
• 2:29:09
  Speaker 3: recollection or my memory, and I know that it was
• 2:29:11
  Speaker 3: very brief, Like would the encounter seemed very brief. It
• 2:29:15
  Speaker 3: might have gone longer than I think it did.
• 2:29:17
  Speaker 1: Well, they might have done the same thing to you.
• 2:29:18
  Speaker 1: That's why I mention it. They might have done the
• 2:29:20
  Speaker 1: same thing where you weren't necessarily allowed to remember the
• 2:29:25
  Speaker 1: things that were done, Like they told me that we're
• 2:29:28
  Speaker 1: going to do this, are you okay with it? And
• 2:29:30
  Speaker 1: then missing time. I have no idea how long they
• 2:29:32
  Speaker 1: were doing that, And then in a dream state like
• 2:29:35
  Speaker 1: it could have been dreams offen skewed time regardless. But
• 2:29:38
  Speaker 1: maybe if let's just say hypathetically you were a onocraft,
• 2:29:42
  Speaker 1: they were breaking you down in the same way they
• 2:29:44
  Speaker 1: did me to try to get you, whether or now
• 2:29:48
  Speaker 1: or in the future. Like you said, it might have
• 2:29:49
  Speaker 1: been an initial encounter where there's something more going to
• 2:29:52
  Speaker 1: happen later, But maybe there was more to it that
• 2:29:54
  Speaker 1: they just didn't let you have conscious memories of. Like
• 2:29:57
  Speaker 1: they told me, I wouldn't remember what they put my
• 2:29:59
  Speaker 1: brain in, and I don't, which is just second. This
• 2:30:02
  Speaker 1: This is what blows my mind. Man, it's fucking insane.
• 2:30:04
  Speaker 1: It's my brain. They put things in there. The ability
• 2:30:08
  Speaker 1: that they can even do that in the first place
• 2:30:10
  Speaker 1: is nuts. But I don't have access to it. It's
• 2:30:15
  Speaker 1: really wild. How do you know what's in there? Then
• 2:30:18
  Speaker 1: I watched it come in, right, and they told me
• 2:30:21
  Speaker 1: that it was going to come in and I saw
• 2:30:22
  Speaker 1: it happen. But once it's in.
• 2:30:25
  Speaker 3: Right, But does that make any sense? Like, think about it,
• 2:30:27
  Speaker 3: If they're giving you information, what is the point giving
• 2:30:30
  Speaker 3: someone information that they can't access.
• 2:30:32
  Speaker 1: Well, that's what they said, though they said for time
• 2:30:35
  Speaker 1: or times in the future, it's it's time released, it's
• 2:30:37
  Speaker 1: time stamped. At some point, whatever that was that they
• 2:30:40
  Speaker 1: thought was so damn important to many, abduct me at
• 2:30:42
  Speaker 1: this conference, fuck with me for about five months afterwards,
• 2:30:46
  Speaker 1: is going to come out at some point.
• 2:30:47
  Speaker 3: Have you ever considered the possibility someone dropped acid into
• 2:30:50
  Speaker 3: your beer?
• 2:30:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 2:30:51
  Speaker 3: I have, because that would be such a cruel thing
• 2:30:56
  Speaker 3: to do to someone at a UFO conference. Problem and
• 2:30:58
  Speaker 3: then fuck with them and say, sit down, look in
• 2:31:00
  Speaker 3: my eyes, I'm going to give you information.
• 2:31:02
  Speaker 1: Now you're like, oh my god, it's coming. Information's coming.
• 2:31:04
  Speaker 1: It is. Problem is. I've done acid over two hundred times,
• 2:31:08
  Speaker 1: so I know exactly what that's me. There was a flashback,
• 2:31:11
  Speaker 1: That's what they say.
• 2:31:12
  Speaker 3: That was the thing they always I'd never heard of
• 2:31:13
  Speaker 3: one fucking person getting a flashback, By the way, I know.
• 2:31:16
  Speaker 1: I feel Robb dude, like I crack our back and
• 2:31:19
  Speaker 1: we're going to give a flashback when you're driving your car,
• 2:31:22
  Speaker 1: man and you fucking run into a bus full of kids.
• 2:31:24
  Speaker 1: It's like how they told us everybody is going to
• 2:31:26
  Speaker 1: give us free drugs on the playground. Nobody ever gave
• 2:31:29
  Speaker 1: me free drugs. Drugs, No, it was not. I'd actually
• 2:31:32
  Speaker 1: only had two beers. This entire night, I was completely sober.
• 2:31:35
  Speaker 1: So it was some kind of experience that was very
• 2:31:39
  Speaker 1: normost extremely Yeah. And so here's another aspect of it.
• 2:31:42
  Speaker 1: They knew my future. They knew everything about me. They
• 2:31:45
  Speaker 1: knew my thoughts. That's how they broke me down. And
• 2:31:48
  Speaker 1: they even knew where I was going to be the
• 2:31:49
  Speaker 1: next day. They saw that it fucked me up, and
• 2:31:52
  Speaker 1: I was not doing well, Like I wasn't crying so
• 2:31:54
  Speaker 1: sad or scared or anything. It was just a physiological
• 2:31:57
  Speaker 1: response to whatever they did. I'm walking down through the
• 2:32:01
  Speaker 1: main corridor to give a book to a friend of mine,
• 2:32:03
  Speaker 1: John Dover, Abaho Ranger, and that same guy comes around
• 2:32:07
  Speaker 1: the corner, comes down, puts his hand on my shoulder, says,
• 2:32:11
  Speaker 1: are you okay? I was not okay, but I go
• 2:32:13
  Speaker 1: uh huh, And they fixed me somehow. His touch on
• 2:32:18
  Speaker 1: my shoulder released all of the whatever was messing me up.
• 2:32:23
  Speaker 1: They knew where I would be at that exact moment
• 2:32:25
  Speaker 1: for him to come there. He wasn't part of this conference.
• 2:32:28
  Speaker 1: He had nothing to do with this. He was used
• 2:32:30
  Speaker 1: as some sort of vessel or some sort of medium
• 2:32:33
  Speaker 1: for this end. Whatever it means. I don't know because
• 2:32:37
  Speaker 1: the things haven't come out of my brain yet, but
• 2:32:38
  Speaker 1: there are time stamped for the future. I completely believe you.
• 2:32:42
  Speaker 1: It's not a sief, but it's not a belief. Well,
• 2:32:45
  Speaker 1: they did it in a way where other people were involved,
• 2:32:47
  Speaker 1: so I didn't even get to pretend.
• 2:32:49
  Speaker 3: Old what I'm saying. What I'm saying is I'm saying
• 2:32:52
  Speaker 3: I believe your story from you. I have no information
• 2:32:55
  Speaker 3: on it obviously, other than you telling me, yeah, I
• 2:32:57
  Speaker 3: believe you. It sounds like this is a real experience.
• 2:33:01
  Speaker 3: But most people hearing something like this will automatically go
• 2:33:07
  Speaker 3: get the fuck out of here, and they did. But
• 2:33:09
  Speaker 3: I want those people to imagine what it would be
• 2:33:13
  Speaker 3: like if that happened to you. For me, it's easy
• 2:33:16
  Speaker 3: because mine was in a dream, and I'll tell you
• 2:33:18
  Speaker 3: it's a dream. I think it was a dream. It
• 2:33:20
  Speaker 3: was the most vivid dream I've ever had, but it
• 2:33:22
  Speaker 3: was a dream.
• 2:33:23
  Speaker 1: It was really weird.
• 2:33:24
  Speaker 3: I couldn't shake it. It really freaked me out.
• 2:33:26
  Speaker 1: I had to talk about it the moment I got
• 2:33:28
  Speaker 1: on a podcast next, I was like, this is something
• 2:33:30
  Speaker 1: that I have to bring up right away because it's
• 2:33:31
  Speaker 1: just and thank you for doing that. By the way
• 2:33:33
  Speaker 1: bravery to talk about that.
• 2:33:34
  Speaker 3: But I was talking to Brett Weinstein as a evolutionary biologist,
• 2:33:37
  Speaker 3: like it's not the topic to talk about, but I'm like,
• 2:33:39
  Speaker 3: I have to tell you this because it was one
• 2:33:42
  Speaker 3: of the weirdest things that I've experienced a lot of
• 2:33:44
  Speaker 3: weird shit about a weird life.
• 2:33:47
  Speaker 1: That was the weirdest it was. It was weird. It
• 2:33:50
  Speaker 1: took me a year to talk about this.
• 2:33:52
  Speaker 3: I I went, let me finish your I this is
• 2:33:56
  Speaker 3: what I for people that are very skeptical. I want
• 2:34:00
  Speaker 3: you to imagine yourself in a position where something like
• 2:34:03
  Speaker 3: this happens to you. You're a regular guy, you're a
• 2:34:07
  Speaker 3: mechanic for Chevrolet, whatever you are, and this thing happens
• 2:34:10
  Speaker 3: to you, and what do you do?
• 2:34:13
  Speaker 1: Now?
• 2:34:13
  Speaker 3: What do you do with this? And who the fuck
• 2:34:16
  Speaker 3: is going to believe you? You wouldn't have believed you,
• 2:34:18
  Speaker 3: so why would you? You don't even want to tell people.
• 2:34:21
  Speaker 1: It's that crazy.
• 2:34:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And if these things are happening, they're not happening
• 2:34:26
  Speaker 3: to seven billion people, right, They're happening to select individuals
• 2:34:32
  Speaker 3: for whatever unknown reason, all over the place. And if
• 2:34:37
  Speaker 3: that is happening to one in a million, one in
• 2:34:39
  Speaker 3: a one hundred thousand whatever it is. Over time, these
• 2:34:43
  Speaker 3: people have all of these similar stories. I get being skeptical.
• 2:34:48
  Speaker 3: I get it. I'm a skeptical person with a lot
• 2:34:51
  Speaker 3: of stuff. I tagle back and forth. I'm a believer,
• 2:34:54
  Speaker 3: and then I'm like, shut up, I'm with you. I'm
• 2:34:57
  Speaker 3: with you, But you gotta a ma imagine what you
• 2:35:01
  Speaker 3: would do if that happened to you. If these are
• 2:35:04
  Speaker 3: unique experiences, that's a great point. Unique experiences, totally novel
• 2:35:09
  Speaker 3: experiences that most people don't have trying to describe them.
• 2:35:13
  Speaker 3: And everybody who I've ever talked to, including Travis Walton, who's,
• 2:35:16
  Speaker 3: by the way, very believable, Yeah, very believable. They the
• 2:35:20
  Speaker 3: way they describe it, it has that weight to it,
• 2:35:25
  Speaker 3: like I know, no one's gonna fucking believe me. I
• 2:35:28
  Speaker 3: know this is crazy, but I have to tell you.
• 2:35:29
  Speaker 3: I have to tell you that this happened. Imagine being
• 2:35:32
  Speaker 3: Travis Walton. That's what I want people to think about
• 2:35:34
  Speaker 3: the people that are very skeptical.
• 2:35:36
  Speaker 1: I'm really glad you brought that up, because a lot
• 2:35:38
  Speaker 1: of people don't think about that part. How hard it
• 2:35:41
  Speaker 1: is not just to have some crazy shit like that
• 2:35:45
  Speaker 1: happen but how hard it is to then talk about
• 2:35:47
  Speaker 1: it and subject to yourself to the ridicule and the
• 2:35:49
  Speaker 1: scorn that comes.
• 2:35:50
  Speaker 3: With it, of course, and the possibility you might just
• 2:35:53
  Speaker 3: be some different disinformation artists, just some bullshit artists that's
• 2:35:56
  Speaker 3: sent down here to muddy up the narrative.
• 2:35:58
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, absolutely, And if it hadn't, if I hadn't, yeah,
• 2:36:04
  Speaker 1: I don't. I have thought about that, Like, what if
• 2:36:06
  Speaker 1: you know, there's some sort of mind control thing that
• 2:36:08
  Speaker 1: the government has or whatever. Have you ever heard the
• 2:36:12
  Speaker 1: recordings of Betty and Barney Hill? Mm hmm, yeah, yeah,
• 2:36:15
  Speaker 1: Jamie Cee, you find those Yeah, they're kind of trippy, trippy.
• 2:36:19
  Speaker 1: I don't think that's the case in this situation because
• 2:36:22
  Speaker 1: of the way it happened, how it happened, their uber politeness,
• 2:36:26
  Speaker 1: and the fact that I was allowed to leave my
• 2:36:29
  Speaker 1: body and see and remember things that I normally wouldn't.
• 2:36:33
  Speaker 3: Well, also taken into the context of who you are
• 2:36:36
  Speaker 3: the time we live in Betty and Barney Hill, I
• 2:36:39
  Speaker 3: believe was in the nineteen fifties, they're an interracial couple
• 2:36:41
  Speaker 3: in New England, so they have a lot of anxiety
• 2:36:44
  Speaker 3: just on that. Ye imagine being a pioneering interracial couple
• 2:36:48
  Speaker 3: in the nineteen fifties. I mean, the fucking racism they
• 2:36:51
  Speaker 3: must have experienced must have been so the level of
• 2:36:53
  Speaker 3: anxiety that they must have slept with thinking the KKK
• 2:36:56
  Speaker 3: is going to show up at any point in time
• 2:36:57
  Speaker 3: and burn a fucking cross on their launch. So you've
• 2:36:59
  Speaker 3: got all that too.
• 2:37:01
  Speaker 1: Then there's a completely novel experience where no one is
• 2:37:05
  Speaker 1: talking about this. Two of the first people they.
• 2:37:07
  Speaker 3: Are the Ogs. So there's a tape of doctor Benjamin
• 2:37:11
  Speaker 3: Simon and patient Barney Hill play this.
• 2:37:17
  Speaker 1: It's right over my right, God is and I try
• 2:37:34
  Speaker 1: to maintain control so Betty cannot tell I am scared.
• 2:37:43
  Speaker 3: God, I was scared. It's all right, it can go right,
• 2:37:47
  Speaker 3: O experience it.
• 2:37:49
  Speaker 1: It will not hurt you. I got to get it
• 2:37:54
  Speaker 1: my gun. Oh that's intense.
• 2:38:04
  Speaker 3: This is nineteen sixty one wild.
• 2:38:10
  Speaker 1: And like you say, you know, that's actually I haven't
• 2:38:12
  Speaker 1: thought about that. I did a whole case study on
• 2:38:14
  Speaker 1: Betty and Barney Hill in my second book. I hadn't
• 2:38:16
  Speaker 1: even really thought about that, Like, it's already hard to
• 2:38:18
  Speaker 1: talk about stuff. They're the Ogs. They're the first one
• 2:38:21
  Speaker 1: interracial couple coming out publicly describing these horrific events.
• 2:38:26
  Speaker 3: Also, these events in nineteen sixty one when no one
• 2:38:29
  Speaker 3: had heard.
• 2:38:30
  Speaker 1: Anything about so many compounding factors that make me want
• 2:38:34
  Speaker 1: to give them even more credit for being honest about it.
• 2:38:37
  Speaker 1: And I mean, that's what's important. It was really hard
• 2:38:41
  Speaker 1: for me to talk about this. It really fucked me
• 2:38:43
  Speaker 1: up for like I'm gonna say, five months, but it
• 2:38:45
  Speaker 1: was way more than that. And the reason I bring
• 2:38:47
  Speaker 1: this up is because of your dream and the shock
• 2:38:50
  Speaker 1: factor and what it means for conceptualizing reality, this physical
• 2:38:54
  Speaker 1: reality versus what we write off as being dreams a
• 2:38:58
  Speaker 1: dream reality. I have come to think that that is baseline.
• 2:39:02
  Speaker 1: That consciousness is fundamental, it's foundational, and this physical reality
• 2:39:07
  Speaker 1: is built off of it. And I've heard a lot
• 2:39:09
  Speaker 1: of other scientists talking about that lately. So I think
• 2:39:12
  Speaker 1: one of the questions that gets me is why does
• 2:39:14
  Speaker 1: everything dream? Everything, every living organism dreams. And it almost
• 2:39:19
  Speaker 1: seems like we're here for the universe to learn about
• 2:39:23
  Speaker 1: itself and to have these experiences because in source there's nothing.
• 2:39:27
  Speaker 1: There's just love and energy. That's it. And I've gotten
• 2:39:28
  Speaker 1: to experience that. I was thinking the shower the other
• 2:39:30
  Speaker 1: day that I feel lucky because I've gotten to have
• 2:39:32
  Speaker 1: near death experiences without actually dying, because it's a very
• 2:39:35
  Speaker 1: similar thing. And I go to that same place that
• 2:39:37
  Speaker 1: people describe in these near death experiences. That's real, that
• 2:39:41
  Speaker 1: feels the most real. But you don't get to have
• 2:39:44
  Speaker 1: divorces and people dying and car crashes and the shit
• 2:39:47
  Speaker 1: that makes this life suck, but also being the only
• 2:39:51
  Speaker 1: way that the universe can learn about itself. And then
• 2:39:53
  Speaker 1: every night, what do we do. We empty the hippocampus
• 2:39:56
  Speaker 1: and upload that information near death experiences, people to describe that,
• 2:40:01
  Speaker 1: that that review of the life review. So we uploaded
• 2:40:05
  Speaker 1: every night, and at the end of your life, it's
• 2:40:06
  Speaker 1: like upload the whole thing all at once, go to
• 2:40:09
  Speaker 1: a different body, and the next time, I think, your
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  Speaker 1: dream is just as real as anything we experience here,
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  Speaker 1: if not more real. Let's ended with that, thank you,
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  Speaker 1: Thank you. That was a lot of fun. It's been
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  Speaker 1: a lot of fun. Can I tell you one more thing?
• 2:40:22
  Speaker 1: You can cut this out if you want to. One
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  Speaker 1: of my favorite things about this lately has been how
• 2:40:28
  Speaker 1: many comedians I get to talk to, Like the Last Dinner,
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  Speaker 1: Like I did an interview with Mark Gagnan, I did
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  Speaker 1: an interview with Dave Foley from back in the day
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  Speaker 1: news radio. I grew up watching that was one of
• 2:40:41
  Speaker 1: my favorite shows back in the day, and Dave used
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  Speaker 1: to make.
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  Speaker 3: Fun of me when I was into UFOs back in
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  Speaker 3: the news radio days.
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  Speaker 1: Anymore, man, Oh, it's great, man Like I don't know
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  Speaker 1: Dan Saint Tumin Sean O'donnald like a lot of the
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  Speaker 1: people I've been talking to latelyer comedians, and I actually
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  Speaker 1: wanted to ask you why why so many comedians into
• 2:41:02
  Speaker 1: this UFO? And I think more than like most other
• 2:41:04
  Speaker 1: genres or professionals.
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  Speaker 3: Well, most comedians are into interesting things, and comedians don't
• 2:41:09
  Speaker 3: have to worry about the stigma of being thought of
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  Speaker 3: as a fool.
• 2:41:12
  Speaker 1: We're professional fools. You know.
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  Speaker 3: If someone says I'm a moron, I'm like, okay, do
• 2:41:18
  Speaker 3: what I mean to do. This is how smart I am.
• 2:41:20
  Speaker 3: This is how smart I am. I'm exactly this smart.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not pretending to be any smarter than I am.
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  Speaker 3: If you think I'm a moron, that's fine. I don't care.
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  Speaker 3: Like my reputational integrity doesn't depend on whether or not
• 2:41:31
  Speaker 3: I'm an idiot or whether you think I'm an idiot.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't matter.
• 2:41:34
  Speaker 3: So if I think something, I can just talk about it.
• 2:41:37
  Speaker 3: So like if my dream, if I was a political correspondent,
• 2:41:41
  Speaker 3: I wanted people to believe me, I probably wouldn't tell
• 2:41:42
  Speaker 3: that dream. I'd probably just tell my friends like that
• 2:41:45
  Speaker 3: was fucking weird, and I'd leave it alone. I wouldn't
• 2:41:47
  Speaker 3: treat it as like something that I needed to get
• 2:41:49
  Speaker 3: out there.
• 2:41:50
  Speaker 1: And you have the freedom to tell the story and
• 2:41:52
  Speaker 1: express it. And I'm a clown, you know. I mean,
• 2:41:55
  Speaker 1: comedians also are really observant. We like interesting things, yeah, exactly,
• 2:41:59
  Speaker 1: And you deserve those interesting things and can talk about
• 2:42:02
  Speaker 1: them and interesting.
• 2:42:03
  Speaker 3: Most people like interesting things. But most people are saddled
• 2:42:06
  Speaker 3: down by a structure. And that structure could be the
• 2:42:09
  Speaker 3: office politics in the place that you work. It could
• 2:42:12
  Speaker 3: be whatever your cultural or whatever your political ideology is,
• 2:42:18
  Speaker 3: whatever your thing is, Like you get stuck in this
• 2:42:20
  Speaker 3: structure where you have to think about things in a
• 2:42:23
  Speaker 3: very specific way and talk about things in a very
• 2:42:25
  Speaker 3: specific way. Some things are shunned in the comedy world.
• 2:42:29
  Speaker 3: Those shunned things are ammunition. Like that's that's where our
• 2:42:32
  Speaker 3: weapons for comedy, Like I want to I want to
• 2:42:36
  Speaker 3: talk about things that are fucking weird, you know, I
• 2:42:38
  Speaker 3: want to talk about the things.
• 2:42:39
  Speaker 1: That make you go oh yeah. I didn't want to
• 2:42:44
  Speaker 1: say that, but I've been thinking the same kind of thing.
• 2:42:46
  Speaker 1: That might be real, that might be what's going on.
• 2:42:49
  Speaker 1: That is what's discouraged in polite society is encouraged as
• 2:42:54
  Speaker 1: a comedian. So that's probably why we all love UFOs.
• 2:42:58
  Speaker 1: That's cool, but there's a lot of us they're skeptical.
• 2:43:00
  Speaker 1: I've had conversations with people that don't believe in any Oh,
• 2:43:03
  Speaker 1: I don't believe in any conspiracies.
• 2:43:04
  Speaker 3: I'm like, well, that's just silly. You're just coddling yourself.
• 2:43:08
  Speaker 1: You know. They people only see what they are able
• 2:43:12
  Speaker 1: to believe. They only see what makes them comfortable, or
• 2:43:14
  Speaker 1: they try to only see what makes them and a
• 2:43:17
  Speaker 1: lot of people I think Nische said that people don't
• 2:43:19
  Speaker 1: want to know the truth because it'll destroy their comfortable
• 2:43:21
  Speaker 1: sense of reality. I totally bastardize that quote, but it's
• 2:43:24
  Speaker 1: something like that, you know.
• 2:43:25
  Speaker 3: I think that's why people get so paranoid when they
• 2:43:27
  Speaker 3: smoke weed. Yeah, all the blinders melt away, and you're like, see, I'm.
• 2:43:31
  Speaker 1: A big proponent of the filter theory, you know. I
• 2:43:34
  Speaker 1: think there's all this weirdness all around us all the time,
• 2:43:37
  Speaker 1: and it just takes a little mescal enter dnt here
• 2:43:39
  Speaker 1: psilocybin and it removes that filter and you see the
• 2:43:43
  Speaker 1: world for what it is, which becomes much more dream like.
• 2:43:46
  Speaker 1: I really do think that that essence of our consciousness
• 2:43:49
  Speaker 1: is the root of all of this.
• 2:43:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you're correct. I think it's the hot
• 2:43:54
  Speaker 3: line to the universe. That's what I think it is.
• 2:43:56
  Speaker 3: I think we're in order to do this task, whatever
• 2:43:59
  Speaker 3: it is. My leaf as this task is to create
• 2:44:01
  Speaker 3: artificial God. I think that we're in the middle of
• 2:44:03
  Speaker 3: that process right now. I think that's our task. There's
• 2:44:07
  Speaker 3: a lot of factors that I point to, and they
• 2:44:09
  Speaker 3: make sense. Materialism. Why are we so infatuated with materialism?
• 2:44:13
  Speaker 3: Because materialism matures technological innovation. It ensures that this being
• 2:44:18
  Speaker 3: is going to make better stuff all the time. Well,
• 2:44:20
  Speaker 3: if that being makes better stuff all the time, it's
• 2:44:22
  Speaker 3: not hard to extrapolate, Like, take this a few years
• 2:44:26
  Speaker 3: down the road. You have an artificial intelligent life force,
• 2:44:29
  Speaker 3: and you have an artificial intelligent life force that has
• 2:44:32
  Speaker 3: sentience and creativity and is capable of making a far
• 2:44:35
  Speaker 3: better artificial intelligent life force radically quickly different kinds of
• 2:44:40
  Speaker 3: energy sources.
• 2:44:40
  Speaker 1: Before you know it, it's a god or just the
• 2:44:43
  Speaker 1: propagators exactly where the bees we make the hive.
• 2:44:46
  Speaker 3: We don't even know why. I call us the electronic caterpillar.
• 2:44:50
  Speaker 3: We're making this little cocoon. We don't know what the
• 2:44:52
  Speaker 3: fuck we're doing, and we're turning into some sort of
• 2:44:54
  Speaker 3: a butterfly, some sort of a superior being following the script,
• 2:44:57
  Speaker 3: I think that one of them might be one of
• 2:44:59
  Speaker 3: the reasons why beings from somewhere else are interested in us,
• 2:45:02
  Speaker 3: because they recognized that there's a process going on, and
• 2:45:05
  Speaker 3: perhaps this process doesn't go on everywhere. Perhaps these beings
• 2:45:08
  Speaker 3: are embedded with a type of consciousness that doesn't allow
• 2:45:13
  Speaker 3: them to seek territorial dominance, that they don't ever evolve
• 2:45:17
  Speaker 3: these kind of primate instincts that were saddled down with
• 2:45:20
  Speaker 3: because of our savage background. You know, I mean, you
• 2:45:23
  Speaker 3: don't know. If you've watched chimp Nation on Netflix, amazing doctor,
• 2:45:27
  Speaker 3: fucking incredible docu series. Can't recommend it enough. These scientists
• 2:45:31
  Speaker 3: were embedded with this chimpanzee pack, I guess for twenty years,
• 2:45:36
  Speaker 3: so the chimpanzees had completely acclimated to them being around
• 2:45:40
  Speaker 3: so long as they always stayed twenty yards away, never
• 2:45:43
  Speaker 3: had any food, never look them in the eyes when
• 2:45:45
  Speaker 3: they approach, back up, get out of there.
• 2:45:47
  Speaker 1: They leave you alone.
• 2:45:47
  Speaker 3: And so these guys did this for twenty years, and
• 2:45:49
  Speaker 3: they observe chimpanzee behavior and it's like fucking people, just
• 2:45:52
  Speaker 3: like way more violent.
• 2:45:54
  Speaker 1: The only other species other than us that's been observed.
• 2:45:57
  Speaker 2: Going to war, going to war. Have all animals social
• 2:46:00
  Speaker 2: games with each other, like grooming each other, really interesting stuff.
• 2:46:06
  Speaker 2: But we so we are saddled down with that programming.
• 2:46:10
  Speaker 2: And even though I think if we were genetically engineered,
• 2:46:12
  Speaker 2: they made a superior version of what we used to
• 2:46:15
  Speaker 2: be as chimpanzees or whatever the cousin of chimpanzee we
• 2:46:17
  Speaker 2: came from, we're still saddled down. Maybe they weren't so
• 2:46:20
  Speaker 2: maybe like maybe they don't have the sensatiable desire for
• 2:46:24
  Speaker 2: innovation that leads them to create art. Maybe they're logical
• 2:46:28
  Speaker 2: enough to realize, like, we can never make ai AI
• 2:46:31
  Speaker 2: is a fruitless it'll remove us. Like, let's be conscious
• 2:46:35
  Speaker 2: of how we decide we progress forward so that we
• 2:46:38
  Speaker 2: can keep our race. You know that we're these beings
• 2:46:42
  Speaker 2: that control this planet. We create this digital god. It
• 2:46:45
  Speaker 2: controls us. Now, we fucked ourselves in a prison of
• 2:46:48
  Speaker 2: our own design. Maybe they're different than us, Maybe they
• 2:46:51
  Speaker 2: could recognize that and not fall into that. But they
• 2:46:53
  Speaker 2: realize we're about to do it, and they go, well,
• 2:46:55
  Speaker 2: the primates just always do it. The primates always want
• 2:46:58
  Speaker 2: more fruit, they want more lives. They want bigger cars,
• 2:47:01
  Speaker 2: bigger houses, newer phone, all that, keeping up with the Joneses.
• 2:47:05
  Speaker 1: Hairless, upright ones with free hands, free U. So you
• 2:47:07
  Speaker 1: got to be able to build stuff in those hands.
• 2:47:09
  Speaker 3: And they're curious, so they're always trying to build new things.
• 2:47:12
  Speaker 3: And they communicate, so they could store information. It's a mess,
• 2:47:17
  Speaker 3: it's a beautiful mess, but it's a beautiful mess as
• 2:47:19
  Speaker 3: opposed to their mess, which is probably telekinetic and telepathic.
• 2:47:23
  Speaker 3: They could probably operate things with their mind. They probably
• 2:47:27
  Speaker 3: use their mind to communicate and so they know what
• 2:47:30
  Speaker 3: each other's thinking. So there's no room for deception, there's
• 2:47:32
  Speaker 3: no room for lies, no room for manipulation or sociopathy.
• 2:47:36
  Speaker 3: We would see it a mile away. And so they've
• 2:47:39
  Speaker 3: like radically shifted what it means to be a living
• 2:47:41
  Speaker 3: thinking organism.
• 2:47:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, ma'am. Dude, thank you so much.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you awesome revelation the future, human past, and I
• 2:47:52
  Speaker 3: really enjoy talking to you.
• 2:47:53
  Speaker 1: Man. This finds super fun. I'm so glad you had
• 2:47:55
  Speaker 1: me on. This has been my pleasure. Great. If people
• 2:47:58
  Speaker 1: want to find you, how do they get you on
• 2:47:59
  Speaker 1: social media? Yeah? Yeah, I've got a website Michael Pmasters
• 2:48:03
  Speaker 1: dot com. It's got links to my four I have
• 2:48:07
  Speaker 1: four books and I just published a kid's book last week.
• 2:48:09
  Speaker 1: This is on UFOs two. Yeah, what's it called. It's
• 2:48:12
  Speaker 1: called Marshmallow in the UFO, a time travel adventure. It's
• 2:48:17
  Speaker 1: actually a prequel to that one with Jesus throwing up
• 2:48:19
  Speaker 1: a double bird on the front, which is not child
• 2:48:21
  Speaker 1: appropriate at all. Yeah, it doesn't seem like it was
• 2:48:24
  Speaker 1: a bit of a right turn. But man, this has
• 2:48:26
  Speaker 1: been so fun. I really doing it. Really appreciate it
• 2:48:28
  Speaker 1: was fun, all right by everybody.