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Mets offseason to-do list: Keep Pete or Edwin? Chemistry q’s · Foul Territory

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Speaker 1: Season to do list for the Mets draftneck Mark been
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Speaker 1: in the game for a long time. Check out the
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Speaker 1: YouTube channel if you don't already, but then also Mets up.
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Speaker 1: Let's talk about the Mets specifically here Mark, good to
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Speaker 1: see you, my friend, and lay out the off season
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Speaker 1: to do list. What's one, two, and three for the
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Speaker 1: Mets in your mind?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for having me on. Guys, excited to talk
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Speaker 2: about the Mets. Kind of cheat a little bit. I
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Speaker 2: put number one as resigned Pete Alonzo and Edwin Diaz.
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Speaker 2: Number two trade for an a starting pitcher. Number three
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Speaker 2: we got to find an outfield or whether it's in
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Speaker 2: the corner or center field.
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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, let's dive into each of these. I'm
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Speaker 1: going to start with the heartbreaker question at the top
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Speaker 1: because Buck Showalter, former manager of the Mets, recently asked
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Speaker 1: us yesterday this question when he was a guest on
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Speaker 1: the show. Mark, you can only keep Pete Alonso or
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Speaker 1: Edwin Diaz. Forget about the money, right, Let's say Pete
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Speaker 1: is getting one twenty and Diaz is getting ninety five whatever, Right,
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Speaker 1: the money shouldn't matter a ton when you're thinking about
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Speaker 1: this team. You can only pick one, Which one do
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Speaker 1: you need for next year?
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Speaker 2: I think it's pet Alonso as much as Edwin Diaz
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Speaker 2: is arguably the best closer in baseball. I think you
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Speaker 2: can still build a strong bullpen without having the best
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Speaker 2: closer in baseball where it's really tough to find the
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Speaker 2: offensive production that Pete Alonso has at the first base position.
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Speaker 2: I know, defensively he's got his shortcomings, but thirty five
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Speaker 2: to forty home runs in a year and ops approaching
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Speaker 2: nine hundred, driving in one hundred and ten hundred and
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Speaker 2: twenty runs a season, what Pete brings to the plate,
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Speaker 2: it's really difficult to find in baseball, and you usually
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Speaker 2: have to pay a lot so to be able to
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Speaker 2: get that kind of value at the first base position.
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Speaker 2: I just I don't know how the Mets would really
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Speaker 2: even come close to being able to fill in the
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Speaker 2: shoes of Pete at the plate.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, to that point, do they have an internal option
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Speaker 3: if Pete doesn't come back? And what's kind of the
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Speaker 3: knock around Pete Alonzo. All he's ever done has been
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Speaker 3: a productive first baseman. He gets forty homers, drives in
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Speaker 3: a home one hundred RBIs every year, He's a multiple
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Speaker 3: home run derby champion. He loves the city of New York.
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Speaker 3: You know, if you were listening earlier, he has no
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Speaker 3: kind of there's no negativity when it comes to him
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Speaker 3: as a teammate or a person. I personally played with Pete.
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Speaker 3: I love Pete, but it feels like, what's the knock
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Speaker 3: on this guy? Why are they just not pooning up
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Speaker 3: and giving him what he you know, kind of deserves.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think for Mets fans they would agree with
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Speaker 2: you and say, we got to bring Pete Alonso back,
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Speaker 2: no matter what it takes. But I think from the
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Speaker 2: front office perspective, they see a guy who towards the
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Speaker 2: back end of that seven year contract that he's asking for,
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Speaker 2: the value might not be there for a guy who's
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Speaker 2: ultimately going to end up becoming a DH because his
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Speaker 2: defense the last few seasons really hasn't been very great.
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Speaker 2: But there is an easy fix there. The problem for
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Speaker 2: Pete is on the balls to his right. If you
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Speaker 2: look at OAA, that's where he loses all his defensive value.
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Speaker 2: And that's really from Pete being very aggressive at the position,
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Speaker 2: having a little bit of trouble throwing the ball over
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Speaker 2: to the pitcher sometimes covering the base. But that's the
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Speaker 2: one knock I'd have on him. I think Kyle Schwarber
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Speaker 2: has shown us recently, as soon as as Lisa's last year,
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Speaker 2: that these power hitters will continue to hit for power
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Speaker 2: as they get older and older. So from my perspective,
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Speaker 2: I think Pete's totally worth it. But I guess from
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Speaker 2: Pete's value from the front office perspective one, it doesn't
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Speaker 2: seem like there's nearly as many suitors as Alonzo and
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Speaker 2: his camped hoped for. So from David Stearns, he's just like,
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Speaker 2: we'll wait and see, kind of like we did last
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Speaker 2: offseason and get you at the price point that we
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Speaker 2: want you at.
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Speaker 3: Should have got should have went out and got Ron
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Speaker 3: Washington to work with him, would have got him move
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Speaker 3: into it right a little bit better starting pitching. Do
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Speaker 3: you think that's something they go out and get on
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Speaker 3: the free agency market or is that something they are
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Speaker 3: looking at the trade market to get And as Test
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Speaker 3: Scoble name that you've been hearing.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's gonna be on the trade market more.
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Speaker 2: I just while Frambervaldez is a really good pitcher, I
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Speaker 2: just don't think that the Mets are gonna poney up
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Speaker 2: the money that he's going to command on the free
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Speaker 2: agent market right now, when you have guys like Terrek
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Speaker 2: Scuble possibly available, Freddie Peralta's name has been float around,
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Speaker 2: Joe Ryan, Pablo Lopez, even Sandy in your own division.
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Speaker 2: There's a lot of op on the trade market, and
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Speaker 2: the Bets have built up one of the best farm
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Speaker 2: systems in baseball over the last few years. I think
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Speaker 2: this would be a time for them to take some
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Speaker 2: of those pieces in the farm and push those chips
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Speaker 2: in to go out and get a real frontline starter,
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Speaker 2: because while this rotation was a huge problem last year,
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Speaker 2: they couldn't get length out of anybody down the stretch.
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Speaker 2: I think that they have a lot of those back
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Speaker 2: end arms right now where you don't really want to
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Speaker 2: go and spend necessarily on the free agent market. You
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Speaker 2: want to go and make a move, get a impact player,
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Speaker 2: a game one starter in a postseason series. If they
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Speaker 2: reached there and those guys are available.
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Speaker 4: Nemo he gone outfield. They need another outfielder. Man, what
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Speaker 4: do you think they're going to do with that situation
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Speaker 4: that to have to have anybody in the minor leagues
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Speaker 4: that could step up right now.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, really excited, really excited for Carson Benge. And I
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Speaker 2: think David Stearns and allest press conferences has also mentioned
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Speaker 2: Carson Benge a lot. It seems like if he comes
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Speaker 2: out and has a strong spring training, he has a
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Speaker 2: chance to win that opening day either centerfield or left
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Speaker 2: field position based on whoever they get to fill that spot.
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Speaker 2: But benj is someone who's a top ten maybe at
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Speaker 2: worst top fifteen prospect in all of minor league baseball.
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Speaker 2: Flew through the system last year out of Oklahoma State.
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Speaker 2: Looks really really promising, and it looks like he can
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Speaker 2: play centerfield if needed. But I ultimately end up thinking
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Speaker 2: they go with Cody Bellinger in the corner. He's a
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Speaker 2: guy who can give you the flexibility of playing the
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Speaker 2: outfield positions. He could even play centerfield if you needed
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Speaker 2: him to in a pinch, but he's great in left field,
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Speaker 2: has a great arm, is a good athlete, And on
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Speaker 2: days where if Pete A. Lonso's back with this team,
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Speaker 2: you could dh Pete some days put Cody Bellinger at
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Speaker 2: first base. Think he gives the roster flexibility, the defensive value,
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Speaker 2: and also still is a really good bat hit thirty
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Speaker 2: home runs last year with the Yankees. That's a player
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Speaker 2: that feels perfect and someone that David Stearns would be
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Speaker 2: really honing in on this offseason.
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Speaker 4: So give me your start now field, right now, if
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Speaker 4: today was Day one, give me give me your outfield
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Speaker 4: right now.
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Speaker 2: I think it's gonna be Cody Bellinger in left. I
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Speaker 2: think you're gonna have a platoon of Carson Benge and
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Speaker 2: Tyrone Taylor in center and Juan Soto in right. And
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Speaker 2: I mentioned Tyrone Taylor just because I think against Lefti's
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Speaker 2: especially early on in the year, They're going to want
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Speaker 2: to give benj a little bit more of an easier
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Speaker 2: transition into the majors and not have to have him
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Speaker 2: face some of the tough lefties or in the National
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Speaker 2: League early on.
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Speaker 4: So my boy, Jeff McNeill, I haven't heard a word
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Speaker 4: about him. What's going Is he out after all this
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Speaker 4: craziness with Lindor again, Like, talk to me about my
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Speaker 4: buddy Jeff.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I just don't think he can mash. I don't know.
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Speaker 5: I listen.
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Speaker 2: I like Jeff as a player. I've been banging the
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Speaker 2: Jeff McNeil drum a little bit harder than some Mets fans,
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Speaker 2: but does feel like with the acquisition of Simeon, with
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Speaker 2: all the stuff that we heard with him and Lindor,
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Speaker 2: and the fact that the Mets team does seem to
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Speaker 2: want to get a little more athletic, which is unfair
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Speaker 2: because mcnil's played great second base and outfield as well
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Speaker 2: for this team whenever they call upon it. It just
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Speaker 2: seems like this organization might be moving on from him,
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Speaker 2: especially when you move on from Nemo. It seems like
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Speaker 2: there might be a changing of some of the guys
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Speaker 2: that have been here for a minute, and I think
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Speaker 2: McNeil unfortunately for.
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Speaker 5: Me, I'm a fan of Jeff.
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Speaker 2: We've been very friendly in the past, but I think
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Speaker 2: he's going to be going to a new organization this offseason.
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Speaker 3: Speaking of platoons third base Mark Fianto's Brett Baty, I
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Speaker 3: don't see a scenario where you can have him both.
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Speaker 3: I think you got to allow one to play one
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Speaker 3: hundred and forty one hundred fifty games a year. Who
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Speaker 3: you take in, who's got more trade value or do
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Speaker 3: you see him kind of platooning both of these guys.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think in a perfect world they would love
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Speaker 2: for Mork Fiento's to play third base, but I think
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Speaker 2: last season he showed that the position is a little
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Speaker 2: little tough for him defensively. His home might end up
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Speaker 2: being first base if he's going to play the field,
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Speaker 2: but Brett Baty kind of won the position as well.
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Speaker 2: He played good enough defense at third base, which was
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Speaker 2: about league average, better at times than league average defensively,
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Speaker 2: and then at the plate the second half of the season,
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Speaker 2: Brett Baty was awesome like he was hitting for power,
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Speaker 2: finished with close to twenty home runs on the season,
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Speaker 2: ops creeped its way back up to being above league average,
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Speaker 2: and the fact that he's free with that kind of value,
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Speaker 2: I do really think it's his position right now going
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Speaker 2: into opening Day, along with the fact that Vientos he
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Speaker 2: does still kind of have a role on this team,
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Speaker 2: even with Pete Alonso on it, and that's being a
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Speaker 2: lefty masher off the bench, being a guy who in
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Speaker 2: a pinch, could play third base, he could be a
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Speaker 2: Dach option, he could play first. We remember that twenty
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Speaker 2: twenty four season, Viento's was phenomenal. They don't go on
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Speaker 2: that run without him, and while twenty twenty five was
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Speaker 2: a bit of a struggle for him. I still think
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Speaker 2: that the Mets have some hope that he can find
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Speaker 2: that bad again and be a guy who can provide
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Speaker 2: some serious power when needed in that lineup.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm going to take this to a conversation that
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Speaker 1: actually we just covered makeup, clubhouse chemistry, all that kind
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Speaker 1: of stuff. A lot of times it can get pretty overblown.
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Speaker 1: I thought you guys did a great job covering the
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Speaker 1: New York Post article the other day. I listened to
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Speaker 1: that when I texted you guys about it, we talked
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Speaker 1: about it. I wanted to get insight from you guys,
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Speaker 1: dialed in on the team on an everyday basis, Like
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Speaker 1: lind Orn, So, I don't care if one loves one color,
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Speaker 1: one loves the other, one loves food, one loves shopping.
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Speaker 1: I don't give a crap. Right, they both put up
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Speaker 1: great numbers. That's not the reason why the Mets didn't
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Speaker 1: make the playoffs this year. And buckshow Artler I'll allude
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Speaker 1: to again, was on yesterday we asked him about it.
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Speaker 1: He's like, they didn't make the playoffs because they didn't
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Speaker 1: have enough pitching, especially enough you know, starting pitching on
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Speaker 1: the stretch to relying on all these young guys, et cetera.
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Speaker 1: The one thing he did bring up that I thought
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Speaker 1: was interesting is the Nemo Semion trade and he goes,
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Speaker 1: isn't Semeon the captain of the Rangers? Why did he
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Speaker 1: get traded? So curious to get your thoughts on that one.
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Speaker 1: Many people responded to the clip, which got quite a
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Speaker 1: few hits, and said, oh, well, the dudes in his
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Speaker 1: mid thirties, his offense has declined. That's also part of
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Speaker 1: the mix. Do you think that the I don't want
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Speaker 1: to say the Mets won the trade, but do you
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Speaker 1: think this is going to work out well for the Mets?
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Speaker 1: And what is your take on the chemistry component for
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Speaker 1: the ballpark or for the ball club as well? And
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Speaker 1: then after you answer, we can get kp who played
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Speaker 1: with Marcus.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I mean we've heard about the chemistry stuff for a
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Speaker 2: minute now and it's weird. I think it's uncomfortable from
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Speaker 2: the outside perspective. But you guys had Sheffield on as
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Speaker 2: well on the show, and he talked about these guys
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Speaker 2: don't have to be best friends. I think at the
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Speaker 2: end of the day, like the company line for Mets up,
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Speaker 2: they don't have to like each other. They just have
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Speaker 2: to respect each other and they have to try and
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Speaker 2: win baseball games. And from the outside perspective, it seems
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Speaker 2: like that's all those guys care about. Wan Sota wants
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Speaker 2: to win, Francisco Lindoor wants to win. The two of
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Speaker 2: the best players in baseball. They played well last year.
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Speaker 2: I wouldn't chalk the chemistry up because I think we
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Speaker 2: would have seen them both struggle more if there really
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Speaker 2: was a huge problem. And then with Marcus Simon being
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Speaker 2: traded over for Brandon Neimo, while Simeon being traded you know,
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Speaker 2: the captain of the Rangers is a big deal for
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Speaker 2: what that can mean for the Rangers. You also got
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Speaker 2: to remember Neimo is such a big part of this clubhouse.
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Speaker 2: So I really do think it might just be one
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Speaker 2: the contracts made sense and both teams can see a
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Speaker 2: good fit either way. The Mets could use some help
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Speaker 2: at second base, especially defensively, and the Rangers needed some
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Speaker 2: outfield help after getting rid of a Duolas Garcia. But
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Speaker 2: Simeon bringing that steady veteran presence, being a very well
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Speaker 2: respected player in the league. I don't think that this
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Speaker 2: is ever a bad thing for the clubhouse. We kind
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Speaker 2: of saw it with JD. Martinez in twenty twenty four.
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Speaker 2: Maybe this is kind of the move of that similar
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Speaker 2: ilk of bringing in a respected veteran leader, and it's
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Speaker 2: one of the few guys on this roster that has
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Speaker 2: won has won a championship, And I do think there's
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Speaker 2: value to that.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think the championship pedigree is a
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Speaker 3: big part of why they brought him in too. But
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Speaker 3: you know, to everyone's point, you know, you're going to
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Speaker 3: be in a clubhouse with you know, guys that aren't
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Speaker 3: They're all not all going to be your best friend,
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Speaker 3: and you don't necessarily have to all get along. But
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Speaker 3: the biggest thing is you've got to have, you know,
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Speaker 3: common goals and what Marcus Simeon does bring and to
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Speaker 3: the point with why he probably you know, although he
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Speaker 3: was the captain he left the Rangers, Marcus loves to work.
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Speaker 3: Marcus wants to be on the field every single day.
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Speaker 3: He wants to take batting practice, he wants to turn
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Speaker 3: double plays with his shortstop. He wants to get out
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Speaker 3: there and be on the field every day. So I
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Speaker 3: know thendors like that as well. I didn't have experience
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Speaker 3: with Juan Soto. But you know, there's certain guys in
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Speaker 3: this game that just are good enough they could just
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Speaker 3: show up at six and play. Marcus is one of
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Speaker 3: those guys. And you know, to your point, you have
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Speaker 3: these Brett Badis and Mark vent Is in there. Bringing
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Speaker 3: in a guy like Marcus Simon who wasn't a great
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Speaker 3: player at the beginning of his career, who turned himself
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Speaker 3: into a superstar, a top three finisher in the MVP,
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Speaker 3: A guy who's making one hundred and eighty million dollars
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Speaker 3: to play second place. This all came through hard work.
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Speaker 3: So I don't think it's ever a problem, even if
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Speaker 3: he is on his decline, to bring in a guy
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Speaker 3: like this who just can set an example for these
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Speaker 3: guys of what hard work can do for you in
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Speaker 3: your career. So I love the Mets bringing him in.
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Speaker 3: You know, it's not you know, and Brandon Nemo, you
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Speaker 3: know he was I played with him. He's a guy
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Speaker 3: who loves to work too. You know, not to put
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Speaker 3: a knock against Brandon Nemo, but I don't think it's
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Speaker 3: a bad thing bringing in that World Series champion guy
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Speaker 3: who's finished top three in the MVP, who's also turned
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Speaker 3: himself into that type of player.
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Speaker 2: I also think too, at the end of the day,
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Speaker 2: a lot of people like we remember twenty twenty five
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Speaker 2: was a disaster season, and relatively speaking, for this core
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Speaker 2: that's been here, they kind of haven't accomplished anything. So
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Speaker 2: while Mets fans feel this, you know, real connection with
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Speaker 2: brand Nemo because he's been in the organization for almost
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Speaker 2: a decade, sometimes things have to change, and I think
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Speaker 2: from the front office perspective, if it didn't work last year,
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Speaker 2: we got to try something else. Otherwise it's crazy to
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Speaker 2: think that another outcome is possible.
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Speaker 4: I want to talk one more about Brandon Neimo here
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Speaker 4: real quick. He recently came on a show and basically
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Speaker 4: talked about his legacy with the Mets and everything, and
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Speaker 4: he talked about his number being in the Raptors. Now,
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Speaker 4: I want to ask you, as a longtime Mets guy
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Speaker 4: and understand, but if he did end his career with
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Speaker 4: the Mets, could you've seen his number being put up there?
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Speaker 4: You know, with the longevity with the Mets and the
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Speaker 4: numbers that he had.
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Speaker 2: Oh one, I think if he ended his career there,
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Speaker 2: he would have been up there with Darryl and Keith
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Speaker 2: and Mike Piazza and all those guys. Tom sever he
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Speaker 2: would have been one of the all time great Mets
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Speaker 2: and even to this point, the numbers in the organization
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Speaker 2: that he put up, he's like top ten and basically
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Speaker 2: every offensive stat I think Brandonimo, from my perspective, one
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Speaker 2: of my favorite Mets to ever play on the team.
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Speaker 2: I think it's really cool to see a player grow
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Speaker 2: up with the organization become an adult at a similar
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Speaker 2: time where I was becoming an adult as well. So
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Speaker 2: it's really uh, it hurt to see him go because
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Speaker 2: in the few experiences I had with him, he truly
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Speaker 2: was one of the great guys that I've ever got
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Speaker 2: to meet in baseball. So from that perspective, it hurts.
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Speaker 2: But the end of the day, baseball is a business,
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Speaker 2: and for the Mets, I guess they felt that trading
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Speaker 2: brand Nemo for Marcusime and help them achieve their goal
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Speaker 2: at the end of the year of hopefully winning a
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Speaker 2: World Series.
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Speaker 3: On this topic, did Jacob deGrom number get retired? I
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Speaker 3: mean a statue.
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Speaker 2: I think that I'm one of the few Mets fans
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Speaker 2: that did not care how Jacob deGrom left. I keep
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Speaker 2: him in the highest regard he's one of the best
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Speaker 2: players that I've ever seen step on a baseball field,
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Speaker 2: especially in terms of pitching. I would retire his number
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Speaker 2: in a heartbeat, and I think the Mets organization will too.
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Speaker 2: Even though there wasn't a lot of winning that went
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Speaker 2: on for a guy to win multiple Cy Young's like
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Speaker 2: he did and could be considered and be on a
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Speaker 2: Hall of Fame path, I think it would be crazy
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Speaker 2: not to.
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Speaker 4: It's it's funny, like retiring numbers like it just seems
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Speaker 4: like it just comes off the tip of everybody's Yeah,
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Speaker 4: just retire.
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Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know, it's like the Hall of Fame.
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Speaker 5: To me, you gotta be stinder.
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Speaker 4: You gotta be one of the best, the best to
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Speaker 4: ever play, or one of the best and best to
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Speaker 4: ever play in that organization.
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Speaker 5: Maybe my standards are a little higher on certain things.
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Speaker 4: But back in the day, those guys played fifteen twenty
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Speaker 4: twenty five years, so it made it that much easier
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Speaker 4: for them to get picked.
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Speaker 5: But yes, I think.
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Speaker 4: It's a it's a it's a great question, But I
15:17
Speaker 4: don't know if I'm always convinced on some of these things.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think also, like just as such a diehard
15:22
Speaker 2: Mets fan. A lot of those guys are some of
15:24
Speaker 2: my best memories. I don't. I don't have a lot
15:26
Speaker 2: of great memories as a Mets fan, Like twenty fifteen
15:28
Speaker 2: really sticks out, twenty twenty two, twenty twenty four, like otherwise,
15:32
Speaker 2: you look back and it's not a lot of happy
15:34
Speaker 2: times for me as a fan.
15:35
Speaker 3: Todd, do you disagree with the deGrom.
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Speaker 5: I'm on the fence, man, if you want the truth,
15:41
Speaker 5: I'm on the fence.
15:43
Speaker 4: And I played with him, and I played with him
15:45
Speaker 4: he got the cy young I was right there at
15:47
Speaker 4: third base. I thought it was unbelievable. I just need
15:50
Speaker 4: more longevity with the team in my in my opinion,
15:53
Speaker 4: so I would say no right now. But it's it's
15:56
Speaker 4: up it's up for debate, man, It's it's definitely up
15:59
Speaker 4: for for debate. And I've been asked questions about some
16:02
Speaker 4: of my closest friends, the guys that play with about
16:04
Speaker 4: Hall of Fame.
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Speaker 5: I've said no too.
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Speaker 4: It's like these it's like the best of the best
16:08
Speaker 4: of the best. So for me, maybe I'm just a
16:11
Speaker 4: little picky when it comes to these.
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Speaker 5: Things, like I said before.
16:14
Speaker 4: But moving on, my last question for you, would be
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Speaker 4: all right, say the Mets make some moves, they get
16:21
Speaker 4: the guys.
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Speaker 5: They want, this team gonna make the playoffs? Is this
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Speaker 5: team ready to go? Like?
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Speaker 4: Is it? It's kind of like go time here man,
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Speaker 4: Stevie Cohen, What do you know he's talking all this stuff,
16:31
Speaker 4: like when are they gonna finally pick it up and
16:33
Speaker 4: get their butts back to.
16:34
Speaker 5: Where they need to be.
16:35
Speaker 2: I mean, I think you're asking the same question all
16:37
Speaker 2: Mets fans has. It's like, how is this not come
16:39
Speaker 2: together quicker better? Especially after twenty twenty four you thought, like,
16:42
Speaker 2: all right, we have a real chance and last year
16:44
Speaker 2: was so terrible. But I think they have no other
16:46
Speaker 2: choice if they don't make the postseason. David Seerns is
16:50
Speaker 2: on the hot seat. I think Mets fans start getting
16:52
Speaker 2: upset with Steve Cohen. I think Mets fans start turning
16:55
Speaker 2: on players more than they already do, Like there's really
16:58
Speaker 2: no other option besides make the because if they miss again,
17:01
Speaker 2: it's it's a catastrophic failure. Like failure you can have,
17:05
Speaker 2: you can have the one offseason where things don't go right,
17:07
Speaker 2: but two in a row with this payroll, with the
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Speaker 2: players on this team, with the money being spent. It's
17:11
Speaker 2: really not acceptable.
17:15
Speaker 1: You know, have you guys ever done an episode by
17:17
Speaker 1: the way Mark just on the Jersey retirement stuff.
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Speaker 5: It's pretty good.
17:22
Speaker 2: I think we've talked about it before because we've done
17:24
Speaker 2: a lot of Q and A stuff on the podcast
17:26
Speaker 2: where you know, mail bag episodes and people ask us
17:29
Speaker 2: who's the next player being retired. There's just such a
17:31
Speaker 2: weird group of Mets that like are right on that borderline,
17:34
Speaker 2: like Todd said, of were they here long enough to
17:37
Speaker 2: actually get their number retired? Especially in an organization where
17:40
Speaker 2: there's not a lot of winning, so you usually retire
17:43
Speaker 2: the number of the guys who were here when we won,
17:46
Speaker 2: and sadly they haven't won in almost forty years.
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Speaker 1: That's why it's interesting. And yeah, for all the talk
17:52
Speaker 1: about you know, oh, big money teams, it's unfair. Okay,
17:56
Speaker 1: studied the Mets for a while and look at that. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and ain't perfect to the Ay'm pretty.
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Speaker 5: A lot of the time part of it. Yeah, yeah, either.
18:04
Speaker 1: Knows KPU knows Mark good stuff. Man on your way out.
18:08
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18:21
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Speaker 2: to meet you, Todd. Thanks guys,