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Personal Defense: Lessons Learned From The News, Tips For Seniors · Conversations: Special Guests with Preston Scott

• 0:02
  Speaker 1: How did it happen? How do we get here to
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  Speaker 1: the third hour of the program? I don't I don't know,
• 0:08
  Speaker 1: but here we are, third hour Wednesday. It is the
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  Speaker 1: third Wednesday of the month, and that means it's time
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  Speaker 1: for little personal defense and once again being pressed into duty.
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  Speaker 1: It's Jadie Johnson of the Talent Trading Group, co host
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  Speaker 1: of Talent Outdoors. How are you, sir? I'm great. You
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  Speaker 1: got the short straw twice this month. It happens you
• 0:32
  Speaker 1: weren't supposed to quite go along with that quite so easily.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna fuss about it, all right, put my
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  Speaker 2: head down and go forward.
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  Speaker 1: That's what we do, all right, Let's get right to it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna share a couple of different stories from the
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  Speaker 1: news that I that I have here and just kind
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  Speaker 1: of get your reaction to them. You might be familiar
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  Speaker 1: with the stories, you might not. Teenager returns an air
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  Speaker 1: soft handgun allegedly to the store where he was buying
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  Speaker 1: where he bought it. However, the gun was in his pocket.
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  Speaker 1: He had a friend that had an air soft handgun
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  Speaker 1: in his jacket. There was a third team there in
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  Speaker 1: the parking lot, though, is a gentleman that was doing
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  Speaker 1: what he called overwatch. Overwatch is apparently kind of a
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  Speaker 1: military term for observing for activity. His son was in
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  Speaker 1: a judo thing, doing his thing. So he's just waiting
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  Speaker 1: in the parking lot, just kind of observing, and he
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  Speaker 1: sees these kids, and he sees one of them with
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  Speaker 1: the handgun that is an airsoft, but he doesn't know
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  Speaker 1: that at this point, and he thinks he's about to
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  Speaker 1: witness an armed robbery. He intervenes, wrestled one kid to
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  Speaker 1: the ground. They're all telling him these are bb guns.
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  Speaker 1: We're just returning him to the store. He's still in
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  Speaker 1: an engaged battle when one of the kids turns to
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  Speaker 1: walk away and he shot him seven times in the back.
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  Speaker 1: A lot went wrong there. I'd like you to just
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  Speaker 1: kind of address all that is going on with just
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  Speaker 1: the surface level info I just gave you and what
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  Speaker 1: your thoughts are.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's a horrible situation, start with.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that kid's dead.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no bringing him back. No, you know, it's
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  Speaker 2: I get it. I mean there's there's times, there's times
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  Speaker 2: when I sit in the parking lot when my family's
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  Speaker 2: in the store and I don't I don't think out loud,
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  Speaker 2: or think even subconsciously.
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  Speaker 1: I got to be overwatched. But that's what I'm doing.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just sitting there in the car because I don't
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  Speaker 2: feel like walking around the whatever store they're in and
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  Speaker 2: looking at shoes or clothes or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: You're paying attention to. You're paying attention to anything anyone
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  Speaker 1: else would not be paying attention to.
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  Speaker 2: Right and knowing the quality and appearance of a lot
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  Speaker 2: of these airsoft guns, they are very realistic, made to
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  Speaker 2: look like a myriad of handguns. We've used them in
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  Speaker 2: training scenarios for a long time. The air soft glock
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  Speaker 2: airsoft pistols look close enough to a glock that glock
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  Speaker 2: sued them over it and they fit in glock holsters.
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  Speaker 2: They look just like glocks except for a little small
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  Speaker 2: round a piece of orange around the style. Well, you've
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  Speaker 2: got an orange buzzle on the barrel. Got your guns
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  Speaker 2: not painted orange? It's just a little ring of paint
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  Speaker 2: around the end of the barrel that comes off basically,
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  Speaker 2: and then you have what it looks enough like one
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  Speaker 2: that if you pointed at me and I would probably
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  Speaker 2: react similarly to the way he did.
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  Speaker 1: This story has earmarks of George Zimmerman all over it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, but in today's world, I don't think
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  Speaker 2: the guys initially not doing anything wrong. He may have
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  Speaker 2: been better off to I, you know, hindsight being twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty and it always is, he should have picked up
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  Speaker 2: the phone and called instead of intervening. Unless his family
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  Speaker 2: was in that store.
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  Speaker 1: They were not.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so your there's your first, his son's over there
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  Speaker 2: be a good witness, is what I it at Bullstown instead,
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  Speaker 2: you know, unless now we don't know what he did
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  Speaker 2: for living. If he was off due law enforcement, he
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  Speaker 2: may feel a duty to act. He was not, then
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  Speaker 2: you really that's one of those times where we say, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you may have the legal authority to intervene, it may
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  Speaker 2: not be the smartest or best thing to do. At
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  Speaker 2: that point, I probably would have called law enforcements that, hey,
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  Speaker 2: you got two guys that are armed walking into this business.
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  Speaker 1: Clearly if the young man, extending benefit of the doubt,
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  Speaker 1: were returning these things to.
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  Speaker 2: Find hard to believe, you too, very hard to even.
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  Speaker 1: But you put that in the bag and you walk
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  Speaker 1: in with him in the bag, and no one ever
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  Speaker 1: sees you got them, and you go from there.
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  Speaker 2: It tucked in your waistband is a good way to
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  Speaker 2: not you know.
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  Speaker 1: But would it have been also smarter if this guy
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  Speaker 1: really was concerned just go in the store and wait
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  Speaker 1: to see what happens, if you felt needed to do that,
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  Speaker 1: and let the manager know what you observed outside. Absolutely,
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  Speaker 1: that's that was my point. Because he's probably going to
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  Speaker 1: prison for the rest of his life.
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  Speaker 2: There is that possibility for sure. He also has a
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  Speaker 2: very valid defense. As bad as this is, he's got
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  Speaker 2: a very you know, if he truly believed that he
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  Speaker 2: was intervening in a armed robbery that was about to happen,
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  Speaker 2: at least by Florida law, he hadn't stepped outside the bounds.
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  Speaker 2: He hadn't hadn't gone out of bounds on that yet.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I maintained that if you look at a lot
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  Speaker 1: of the things that happen, and there are lessons to
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  Speaker 1: be learned all over. Yeah, and sometimes they're just really
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  Speaker 1: a good lessons. Sometimes they're really bad lessons. But every
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  Speaker 1: lesson is every every opportunity to learn is something that
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  Speaker 1: I think we should take advantage of. Now, this one,
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  Speaker 1: this story from the news, We're going to contrast this
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  Speaker 1: story because in this case, this one's pretty clear cut.
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  Speaker 1: Guy's with a contractor and they're looking over their backyard.
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  Speaker 1: They're inside the house, and he sees a man with
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  Speaker 1: a dog come into his backyard with a machete. The
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  Speaker 1: guy appears to pass out and he's on the ground,
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  Speaker 1: and the homeowner contractor alarmed, then see him immediately jump
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  Speaker 1: up and start making his way upstairs to a back door,
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  Speaker 1: trying to gain entry into the home. Homeowner confronts him,
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  Speaker 1: locks the doors, make sure because the kids are home,
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  Speaker 1: get that's his nine milimeter, and confronts the guy. It
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  Speaker 1: doesn't say whether it confronted him through the door, whether
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  Speaker 1: he opened the door, what have you. The guy drops
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  Speaker 1: the machete, backs down, obeyed verbal commands. Everybody lives to
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  Speaker 1: see another day.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, how we react has everything to do, and I'm
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  Speaker 2: glad it worked out that way. I'm glad that the
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  Speaker 2: homeowner was there to see to see all this going
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  Speaker 2: on and stop that guy from getting inside the house
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  Speaker 2: with a machete, because you don't ever know how that's
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  Speaker 2: going to end.
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  Speaker 1: It could be bad. Yeah, I mean, that's not your
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  Speaker 1: standard carry a piece of equipment if you're just you know,
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  Speaker 1: some dude out there walking his dog. Yeah, no doubt.
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  Speaker 1: But let's let's let's dig a little deeper. Let's talk
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  Speaker 1: through the what if scenarios and the actual best practices.
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  Speaker 1: Let's set aside that he had another guy with him
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  Speaker 1: that I think immediately was calling or somebody was calling
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  Speaker 1: nine to one one, so they got the guy, and
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  Speaker 1: everything's fine in that regard. You're inside, bad guys outside.
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  Speaker 1: Do you open that door, even if you have a firearm.
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  Speaker 2: No, not, if I don't have to, absolutely not, It's
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  Speaker 2: gonna stay locked. And there's you can you can have
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  Speaker 2: a conversation through the door, through other side of the
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  Speaker 2: window or whatever, especially with technology nowadays. I mean, you
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  Speaker 2: can have a conversation with somebody at your front door
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  Speaker 2: sometime not even home.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah you're in another country.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah so but yeah, I mean it's it's absolutely the
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  Speaker 2: goal of any of this stuff is survival for you
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  Speaker 2: and your family. And anytime we can not have a
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  Speaker 2: physical conflict that the winning goes up, the winning percentages
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  Speaker 2: are automatically gonna go up. Because it's kind of like
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  Speaker 2: the old adage that nobody truly wins in a fight,
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  Speaker 2: and that's a gunfight included, you know, gunfight, physical fights,
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  Speaker 2: any of that kind of stuff. The only way to
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  Speaker 2: truly win is not to happen.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously, the perpetrator obeyed the verbal commands and did as
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  Speaker 1: was demanded of him, and and honestly, then you just
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  Speaker 1: kind of hope maybe this guy's hopped up on something
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  Speaker 1: and he gets some help and everybody lives to have
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  Speaker 1: a better life.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And unfortunately, in today's world, that is a lot
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  Speaker 2: of what we're dealing with is chemically induced psychosis of
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  Speaker 2: some kind or other that's getting people to act outside
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  Speaker 2: their norm.
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  Speaker 1: But best case scenario in that setting, your inside doors
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  Speaker 1: are locked, you have a firearm, call the police and wait,
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  Speaker 1: don't confront.
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  Speaker 2: The drawbridge is up on the castle. Stay in the castle, you.
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  Speaker 1: Know, go on the other inside of the moat. Leave
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  Speaker 1: them on that.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely, I mean that's where the castle doctrine comes from.
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  Speaker 2: In your castle, stay there if you can, and defend
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  Speaker 2: it as best you can.
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  Speaker 1: Twenty one past the Hour back with Jad Johnson of
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  Speaker 1: the Talent Training Group, our Personal defense segment. All Right,
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  Speaker 1: we've talked about a couple of stories in the news.
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  Speaker 1: This is more of a general topic JD inspired by
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  Speaker 1: the news and inspired by things that I've just witnessed
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  Speaker 1: and watched and then now as I'm aging, starting to wonder.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you and I are both bigger guys, but
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  Speaker 1: I also know we're both going to get older. And
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  Speaker 1: I got to thinking, what are the best things for
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  Speaker 1: someone to think about as they age, to not put
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  Speaker 1: themselves in a spot where they're more likely to be
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  Speaker 1: a victim.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, my first piece of advice was, uh,
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  Speaker 2: don't go alone. You know, don't go fill in the
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  Speaker 2: blank wherever you're going, wherever you're going, don't go along.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. You know, I think about my mom.
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  Speaker 2: And and you know she is, she ages, and with her,
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  Speaker 2: you know, some of her physical you know, fragility.
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  Speaker 1: I guess as she gets.
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  Speaker 2: Old, she's eighty years old, she's gonna you know, we
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  Speaker 2: all are going to physically deteriorate as we get older.
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  Speaker 1: That's part of part of the process.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I'm not at fifty six and with a
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  Speaker 2: bunch of metal parts, a bunch of bionic parts of me.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not as you know, I'm not as much of
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  Speaker 2: a force as I was once upon a time kind
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  Speaker 2: of thing. So you know, you just have to think
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  Speaker 2: about that and plan ahead. And you know, it's kind
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  Speaker 2: of Like I tell my mom, I said, you know,
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  Speaker 2: if you need to go somewhere, especially in a in
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  Speaker 2: a part of town that's not as safe as others,
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  Speaker 2: wait till one of us can go with you. You know,
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  Speaker 2: let us we'll go with you, you know, to look
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  Speaker 2: out for you. And that's not always gonna happen. There's
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  Speaker 2: times that you know, so it's just using your brain,
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  Speaker 2: using your wisdom. As you age your wisdom and your
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  Speaker 2: life experience, don't put yourself in those positions where where
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  Speaker 2: confrontation might be more likely.
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  Speaker 1: I guess this might be really touchy, but in your
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  Speaker 1: experience at the Range, I know that you have trained
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  Speaker 1: and your team have trained a lot of senior adults. Absolutely, JD.
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  Speaker 1: What's the cutoff where you say to yourself, I need
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  Speaker 1: to say something, or my guys need to say something
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  Speaker 1: to this person because they probably shouldn't be carrying.
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  Speaker 2: It's just a it's a it is absolutely a case
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  Speaker 2: by case basis. There's times when we've had people in
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  Speaker 2: the classes that just said, this is not this is
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  Speaker 2: not where you need to be, this is not for you.
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  Speaker 1: You know, are there some commonalities to that? No, really not.
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  Speaker 2: It's a combination of can I physically manipulate a self
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  Speaker 2: defense weapon? Do I have the strength? Do you know,
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  Speaker 2: do I have the strength to manipulate the firearm if
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  Speaker 2: you're to control it once you're once you shoot it,
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  Speaker 2: get it loaded, get it unloaded, handle it safely. There's
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  Speaker 2: physical requirements there. The other side to it is the
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  Speaker 2: is am I mentally or is that person mentally sharp
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  Speaker 2: enough uh to understand? Which is why we do the
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  Speaker 2: scenario based training and we pay close attention to your
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  Speaker 2: performance and when when we're sitting there doing that scenario
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  Speaker 2: based kind of stuff, and you know, you don't want
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  Speaker 2: to create vigilantes like our like our first story, that's
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  Speaker 2: that's that's not good. That's not good for any of
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  Speaker 2: us as gun owners when that kind of stuff happens.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: And we don't want to see somebody get in trouble.
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  Speaker 2: So it's all about having the correct attitude and we
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  Speaker 2: get people in there from time to time. We have
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  Speaker 2: seen people in there from time to time that are
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  Speaker 2: looking for looking for a fight, and that's not good.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: That person probably doesn't if you're getting a gun because
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  Speaker 2: you want to go pick a fight, that's the wrong
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  Speaker 2: reason to have a firearm or have.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a big time red flag.
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  Speaker 2: So you know, it's it's it's all about those. You know,
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  Speaker 2: some people physically may be fine, mentally mental capacity may
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  Speaker 2: be not good and vice versa.
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  Speaker 1: Thirty five minutes after the what's making you laugh? Now?
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  Speaker 1: Why'd you make yourself laugh? I thought you were gonna
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  Speaker 1: do it? You thought I was that. I thought you
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  Speaker 1: were gonna know. I'm gonna avoid it this whole time. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: and then we're back for you wouldn't be the same,
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  Speaker 1: all right. J D. Johnson in this morning from the
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  Speaker 1: Talent Training Group Talent Range, and uh, let's get to
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  Speaker 1: the range. Let's let's talk training and what are some
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  Speaker 1: ways for senior adults to train in such a way
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  Speaker 1: that obviously they're improving their skill set, but also doing
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  Speaker 1: a little self analysis and making sure they're still capable
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  Speaker 1: of doing what is needed if they need to.
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  Speaker 2: One of the things you can do or and this
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  Speaker 2: is for everybody, not just seniors, but of the things
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  Speaker 2: you can do is is we sell and rent outlawn
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  Speaker 2: out shot timers pack timers, which is it's a little device.
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  Speaker 2: It's a timing device. It hears, it hears gunshots and
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  Speaker 2: you can set it up to where it will give
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  Speaker 2: you a beep or a prompt. They use them for
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  Speaker 2: competitions primarily, but people that are really into training, a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people even on them themselves where they don't
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  Speaker 2: have to borrow ours and hope that ours are going
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  Speaker 2: to work because they don't last forever. They're they're not
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  Speaker 2: I wouldn't say they're fragile, but they're electronic devices.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't.
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  Speaker 2: You can't beat them around too much and expect them
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  Speaker 2: to work. But the point is that it gives you
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  Speaker 2: a prompt and then it starts a timer when it
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  Speaker 2: gives you the prompt at times, and it will give
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  Speaker 2: you a mark on there. It'll tell you you can
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  Speaker 2: go back and look at.
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  Speaker 1: It'll tell you.
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  Speaker 2: When your first shot happened, and when your second shot happened,
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  Speaker 2: and when your third shot happened, and it'll give you
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  Speaker 2: a time frame that you're working with. So it adds
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  Speaker 2: a little bit of stress if you're trying to push yourself.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm not you know, and I'm not talking about
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  Speaker 2: fast raw competition or anything like that. I'm just saying
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  Speaker 2: it will give you a time frame from the first prompt.
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  Speaker 2: It took me two and a half or three seconds
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  Speaker 2: to get the gun out on target and fire the
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  Speaker 2: first shot, and then it was another second between the
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  Speaker 2: first shot and the second shot, and so forth. It
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  Speaker 2: establishes a benchmark for yourself, right exactly, and it will.
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  Speaker 2: It makes you think about timing and speed and speed
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  Speaker 2: and accuracy. It makes you it makes you think about
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  Speaker 2: those things.
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  Speaker 1: And that's does that in and of itself raise your
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  Speaker 1: stress level a little bit absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, that's exactly where else going with this is that
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  Speaker 2: is a stress inducer for a lot of people. Sure,
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  Speaker 2: people that shoot really well. I've seen it through the
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  Speaker 2: years in law enforcement. They shoot perfectly fine if it's
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  Speaker 2: a casual, a casual stuff at the range, shooting a target.
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  Speaker 2: The minute you tell them, okay, we're going to test
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  Speaker 2: your speed and accuracy and you've got to do this
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  Speaker 2: drill in less than three seconds and you've got to
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  Speaker 2: get two hits out of three and lessen and they're
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  Speaker 2: just their world just explodes, you know, I mean, the
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  Speaker 2: they it's because it's self induced. It's self induced stress.
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  Speaker 2: So that's one of the ways we can by doing
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  Speaker 2: that is we're inducing a little bit of stress of
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  Speaker 2: performance stress. So I think those are very useful training tools.
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  Speaker 2: And one of the issues that we see with seniors
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  Speaker 2: is the manipulation of the firearm itself. It's not once
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  Speaker 2: you get the gun out, once they get the gun
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  Speaker 2: out and all the you know, have all the time
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  Speaker 2: in the world to do that. A lot of guys can.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of seniors can still shoot really well. Sure,
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  Speaker 2: it's the speed and the you're you're you're combining the
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  Speaker 2: mental side with the physical side, and that's where you
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  Speaker 2: start to see And I personally, I'll tell you this,
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  Speaker 2: I've slowed down a lot from what I was, from
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  Speaker 2: from where I was when I was younger. I'm still
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  Speaker 2: pretty fast because I was really fast when I was younger,
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  Speaker 2: but I have slowed down.
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  Speaker 1: Some there were you know, it's it's and I.
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  Speaker 2: See that in myself at fifty six years old, I've
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  Speaker 2: started to slow down some.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think it's due to dexterity issues or just.
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  Speaker 2: You know a little bit of everything. I mean, arthritis,
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  Speaker 2: you know, arthritis in the hands.
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: I was going to ask you about that. Arthritis.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: You know, our our our mental capacity is not what
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: it was. The neural pathways have aged. Sure, now I'm
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: probably a lot smarter than I was when I was
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: younger too, and I you know how to work around
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: those things. And the way we do that is through
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: planning and through understanding and you know of how we're
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: going to react to things. So it kind of evens
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: out in the big picture, It kind of evens out.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: But I think that that's one of the best things
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: we can do to in training is to induce always
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: have some sort of stressor unless you're just out there
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: to relax, if you're.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: Just plinking target, it's have fun and playing targets.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, when I want to have fun shooting, I
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: go over to the to the to the skeet field
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: or sporting plays and I shoot play targets.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: So you know.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: But when I'm training, it's it's a serious thing, absolutely,
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: you know. So anyway you gotta, you gotta when you
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: go into it.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because it needs to be. Because one of the
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: fundamentals we first talked about years ago when we started
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: these segments. You don't aim a gun at a target
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: you're not willing to shoot and fire on and kill. Absolutely,
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: So yeah, serious stuff, all right. When we come back
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: maintenance back with J. D. Johnson of the Talent Training group.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: Remember you can go online talent range dot com learn
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: more about all of the UH. It's a great place
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: to shoot. It's just I can't stress enough how nice
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: it is to shoot there and UH with ranges in
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: midway and Dothan maintenance is it's a necessary evil, right absolutely.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: But you hear different people say different things about how
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: often you got to break down a gun versus just
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: surface cleaning or running something through that. Talk us through
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: the what you think are the best practices on maintaining
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: and let's just keep it simple for now. Your handgun, first.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: Of all, use products designed for cleaning a gun. It'll
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: you know, some sort of some sort of gun, don't.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: One of the things I see that will completely stop
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: guns is the use of things like not knocking the product.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: Because they make some good products, but the.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: Old WD forty.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: Really bad idea to put that on your gun, especially
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: on the internals of the gun, because over time it
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: can turn into a varnish. It gets gooey and sticky
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: time if it's left on the gun, and a lot
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: of people will ray it in there and just leave
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: it and think, okay, well my guns, it's it's a lubricant.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: It's a penetrant. It does some of the good things,
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: but you can't leave it on the gun. So get
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: gun cleaner, a gun oil, a cleaner, lubricant protecting gun all.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: Well, I was just gonna ask you, is there a
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: difference between like and I'll use a brand name CLR.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: It says cleaner, but it's also lubricant. Is it both?
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: Yes, there's there's more than one. There's not just a
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: brand of c l R. There's there's a lot of
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: different brands of of cl RS. And it'll say on
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: there it'll say, you know, cleaner, lubricant, protecting, and.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: But but there isn't an all in one. Yeah.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: They are okay, they are they they work well. Uh,
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: the break free products, the cleans oil products, those are
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: really good all in one. You don't have to buy
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: separate stuff. Uh, there are some gun oils or oil.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: As I say it, Uh, there's I can talk right
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: if I need to.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: But he's betrayed himself with that one. It's all I
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: come from. It's them all.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: So there's gun oil that's neither a cleaner nor a protectant.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: It's just a lubricant. So pay attention to what the
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: product is that you're using. Another problem I see is
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: that people go way too far taking their gun apart,
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: so they bring it up to me in a box to.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: Put back together.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, most of the time, when you buy a firearm,
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: it's gonna come with a user's manual that will show
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: you how to feel strip the gun and tell you
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: where to put the lubrication. Don't go overboard with it.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: I see that a lot where it's just I was
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: just stripping wet and I'm gonna throw the term that.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: You know, some guys think they're really mainly using this term. Yeah,
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: I got my gun nice loubed and wet. Got a
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: wet loobed gun.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: You know, and sloppy wet oil loubed is bad. Some
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: guns need that or want that. Are they older guns?
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, nineteen eleven's are notorious for a lot of time
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: wanting to be really very oily. That can cause problem
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: and some other guns. And it also can cause a
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: problem for the shooter because now you've got a gun
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: that's slathered with a lubricant. You need you need to
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: rack the slide and your handslips off, so it can
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: induce problems in other ways.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: JAD, Is there a difference between field stripping and just
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: you've gone to the range, you've fired a few shots,
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: you're just gonna do a simple cleaning.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you can. There are some there are
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: some firearms, and every farm is different, but yeah, there's
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: times when you go to the range and you just
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: want to take a spray some colr on a cop
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: rather on a cop.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: On a rag and very is what I was thinking.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Uh, cop on a on a rag and
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: wipe it down, wipe the carbon off. You're gonna have
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: carbon fouling, you know when you shoot just part of
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: part of shooting, run a boar, snake down the boar,
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: wipe it down. I recommend at least about every four
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: or five hundred rounds doing a field strip, getting all
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: the carbon off, getting all the old old all off
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: of there, and putting new oil on there because oil
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: does attract carbon foutling and dust and dirt. So you know,
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: it's just it's a good practice to be in. You
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: don't have to go do a thorough breakdown cleaning every
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: time you shoot the gun, and you can, you can
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: overdo it, and that's that's the problem we see a
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: lot is that people, you know, keep putting oil on
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: and never take the old stuff off using something a
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: product like a there's some guns grubber, Yeah, that will
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: completely de oil everything. You can't just spray that on
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: there and I'm done. Now you've got to go back
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: and reapply the lubrication.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: Good stuff. Good visit today, Thanks sir, Thank you. JD.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: Johnson with US Challenge Training Group. Remember talentrange dot com.