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UK Column’s brand new magazine, and chemtrails | Jerm Warfare · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: My name is Jim. This is germ warfare, the Battle
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Speaker 1: of ideas. Okay, there we go, So okay, so just
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Speaker 1: a quick update.
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Speaker 2: So last week I spoke to you from here because
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Speaker 2: there's construction happening in our street and a bulldozer broke
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Speaker 2: the fiber line.
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Speaker 1: They then fixed it.
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Speaker 2: And yesterday a bulldozer did exactly the same thing about
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Speaker 2: two meters along the road. Further along, it broke exactly
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Speaker 2: the same cable in almost exactly the same place, completely budgeted.
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Speaker 1: So I'm going to use the.
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Speaker 3: Shop expecting sympathy or something, are you?
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Speaker 2: I just cannot get over how the same thing can
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Speaker 2: happen twice in the space of the week.
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Speaker 3: It is.
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Speaker 4: It is pretty amazing.
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Speaker 5: It does make me wonder whether because I would say,
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Speaker 5: this is absolutely a feature of the sort of the
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Speaker 5: way that modern infrastructure is handled.
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Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know whether this has always been
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Speaker 4: the case.
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Speaker 6: Now, but hold on a second, Charles, hold on, let's
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Speaker 6: just let's just be accurate about this. The cable is
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Speaker 6: buried two millimeters below the surface. I mean that that
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Speaker 6: is the main problem. I've seen the photographs. That is
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Speaker 6: the main problem. It's also not in any kind of
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Speaker 6: shielding or trunking. It's just there, just literally right under
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Speaker 6: the surface. So you know, anybody that's doing any construction
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Speaker 6: work is going to break that cable. So I'm going
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Speaker 6: to say fair enough, they got the warning the first
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Speaker 6: time because they broke the cable, they shouldn't have done
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Speaker 6: it the second time. But at the same time they
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Speaker 6: install the installers should have had it properly protected and
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Speaker 6: added a depth that isn't going to you know, somebody
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Speaker 6: has got a trip over it.
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Speaker 2: I think there are going to be a few debates
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Speaker 2: now about the dip that it should be. They did
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Speaker 2: go down fairly deep, but not deep enough according to one.
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Speaker 1: Of the borders, because the bulldozer just goes right down.
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Speaker 3: Yeah fremy, you know.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, that kind of thing happens in the center of
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Speaker 6: London as well as I have personal experience of so,
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Speaker 6: so you know, these things do happen.
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Speaker 1: They do well.
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Speaker 5: Since this is a banter session, I may as well
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Speaker 5: get in an early anecdote with which to ridicule myself,
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Speaker 5: because this you have been subject to a misdemeanor by
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Speaker 5: somebody that is doing work actually not even on your place,
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Speaker 5: something that's obviously nearby that affects you now. Many years ago,
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Speaker 5: when living in another quite remote part of the south
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Speaker 5: of England, we were on the very very end of
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Speaker 5: a very long old BT telephone line that head into
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Speaker 5: the BT sorry is British Heelicom. According to their website
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Speaker 5: you could purchase broadband Internet. Now that was an outright lie,
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Speaker 5: and there was no account taken of the fact that
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Speaker 5: the telephone barely works because we were so far from
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Speaker 5: the exchange, let alone the internet anyway. Spirited as I
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Speaker 5: was and still am, I wrote to the chief executive
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Speaker 5: of British Telecom saying this absolutely wasn't good enough and
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Speaker 5: they need to come and do something about it. And
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Speaker 5: so that, you know, you get the executive level complaints
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Speaker 5: team come and deal with you, and it's all very
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Speaker 5: friendly in this and the other, and they say, you know,
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Speaker 5: it's fine. You know, we can send somebody out to
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Speaker 5: look at it and see if there's anything that can
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Speaker 5: be done, but it will cost you one hundred and
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Speaker 5: thirty quid to you know, to have it inspected, even
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Speaker 5: if they can't in actual fact improve the situation. And
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Speaker 5: I was so frustrated I just said, yes, okay, fine,
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Speaker 5: let's do it.
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Speaker 4: So this was I think.
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Speaker 5: I think that conversation happened on the Friday day and
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Speaker 5: the appointment was booked in for the Monday, And I
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Speaker 5: think there was probably around this time viere. So you know,
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Speaker 5: the grass was beginning to grow, the sun was the
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Speaker 5: sun was making its presence felled. So I was out
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Speaker 5: gardening on Saturday and pruning back a creeper on the
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Speaker 5: outside of the house, and lo and behold, I cut
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Speaker 5: the telephone line with the secretursau.
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Speaker 4: It was exactly the same color.
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Speaker 5: Is that anyone who would be familiar with that brown
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Speaker 5: telephone was exactly the same color as the as the
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Speaker 5: sort of arms of this creeper. And it never dawned
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Speaker 5: on me, I mean, I knew whether the line came
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Speaker 5: into it never dawned on me that they would run
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Speaker 5: it up the outside anyway more for me. Of course,
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Speaker 5: I then had the problem of how to how to
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Speaker 5: tell BT that the situation had changed, because I'd cut
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Speaker 5: the telephone line.
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Speaker 4: And therefore couldn't call.
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Speaker 5: And I was living in an area and yet another
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Speaker 5: area where my mobile telephone did not work, reluctant to
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Speaker 5: admit that I did have a mobile telephone, but anyway,
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Speaker 5: I managed to get the word through, and I said, look,
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Speaker 5: I'm a bit of a bit of a change. I've
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Speaker 5: actually I used passitive language. There's been a been a
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Speaker 5: gardening incident and the line is no longer intact. You know,
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Speaker 5: if you can just factor that into the deployment of
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Speaker 5: your operative on Monday. Yeah, yeah, fine, okay, thanks very much, we'll.
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Speaker 4: Pass that on.
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Speaker 5: Anyway, It's extremely nice Chap turned up on the Monday,
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Speaker 5: and not wanting to incriminate myself on the one hand,
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Speaker 5: or make myself seem like an utter idiot on the other,
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Speaker 5: I sort of danced around the subject when he arrived
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Speaker 5: and said, look, yeah, a bit of an issue that
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Speaker 5: the line has been cut.
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Speaker 4: Anyway.
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Speaker 5: Amazingly, this absolutely turned out in my favor because not
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Speaker 5: only did it give him, as far as his sort
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Speaker 5: of ticket was concerned, carte blanche to do carry out
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Speaker 5: work that he would not otherwise have been able to do.
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Speaker 5: It meant that it was classified as a repair and
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Speaker 5: I didn't have to pay for any of it. So
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Speaker 5: he fixed the line, he redrilled all the relevant holes,
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Speaker 5: put a new box on. I mean, okay, we were
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Speaker 5: still MOUs in the exchange and the internet wasn't that
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Speaker 5: much better, but it was at least better. I hadn't,
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Speaker 5: despite my own total incompetence, in actual fact, had to
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Speaker 5: pay for it. So sometimes clouds do have silver linings.
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Speaker 3: The story is vandalism and sabotage works.
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Speaker 5: Well, I mean, doesn't it just you know, look at
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Speaker 5: nord Stream. Yeah, I mean perhaps.
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Speaker 4: That's where they got the idea. I don't know.
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Speaker 1: That escalated quickly, Yeah, just quickly, Charles.
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Speaker 2: I don't know if it's happening on micro side, but
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Speaker 2: your micro's clipping just a little bit still, if you
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Speaker 2: could just drop your your.
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Speaker 1: Gain slightly, probably probably. My voice does not cost one
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Speaker 1: hundred and thirty pounds, though, is the magazine. Let's talk
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Speaker 1: about that. That's exciting.
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Speaker 3: It is.
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Speaker 6: It is very exciting, and we are delighted that it's
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Speaker 6: finally finally past the line and in production because it's
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Speaker 6: been it's been quite a journey in the last year.
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Speaker 6: I mean, we've been talking about doing it for quite
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Speaker 6: some time. We started taking it seriously about I guess
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Speaker 6: about six months ago, and we absolutely went about things
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Speaker 6: in completely the wrong order. But anyway, it doesn't matter.
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Speaker 6: We've sorted all that out. We have a production schedule
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Speaker 6: that works. Now we have the right people in the
7:21
Speaker 6: right place, so we're in production. So it's going to
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Speaker 6: be a quarterly. It's going to be a pretty beefy.
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Speaker 6: It is a pretty beefy product. I mean it's you know,
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Speaker 6: it's it mill thick, it's it's going to be heavyweight.
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Speaker 1: In the hand of any content or something.
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Speaker 6: Yes, and the content is going to be pretty heavyweight
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Speaker 6: as well, So it is it is somewhat different to
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Speaker 6: the print product we were producing before. You know, we
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Speaker 6: are Our intention is not to tread on the toes
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Speaker 6: of the light newspaper, which is which has built a
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Speaker 6: very clear niche for itself and it's doing very well.
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Speaker 6: So we're not in the business of wanting to compete
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Speaker 6: with that, but we do want to do something which
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Speaker 6: competes with the censorship agenda, and this absolutely is going
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Speaker 6: to help us do that.
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Speaker 1: So what can readers expect from the first edition?
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Speaker 5: I think a heck of a lot, and I think,
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Speaker 5: to follow what Mike's just said, it has been a
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Speaker 5: long time coming in so far as the planning and
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Speaker 5: execution has been concerned, and also from an editorial point
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Speaker 5: of view, I'd say it is quite fantastic. How despite
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Speaker 5: the fact some of the content was written a while ago.
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Speaker 5: It is amazing how prescient it has turned out to
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Speaker 5: be because we saw when we were considering what theme
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Speaker 5: to pick for the first quarterly issue, it seemed to
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Speaker 5: us and this was the you know, actually well before
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Speaker 5: anything was written, but in the sort of earlies stages
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Speaker 5: of twenty twenty five war, the specter of war, and
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Speaker 5: specifically war with Iran was the sort of anchor point,
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Speaker 5: and that's what we concentrate on. And you know, we've
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Speaker 5: had to say so people get a flavor of what's
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Speaker 5: in it. I mean you can go go to the website,
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Speaker 5: go to shop dot UK, column dot org and you'll
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Speaker 5: see the list of writers. But in particular, let's say
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Speaker 5: Chris Coverdale, who of course has been campaigning on this,
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Speaker 5: you know, the very point of taxation funding illegal wars.
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Speaker 5: Catherine Gunn, who blew the whistle when working at GHQ
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Speaker 5: in a situation that very closely parallels what's happening now.
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Speaker 5: That is fantastic to have those two, but also Vanessa
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Speaker 5: Beele's take on how this has been built through the years.
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Speaker 5: I mean, there's so much to it. I think it's fantastic.
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Speaker 5: I also would like to say that this for me
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Speaker 5: has been tremendously enjoyable because I think what I've seen
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Speaker 5: on let's say this side of the fence, as in
9:55
Speaker 5: a place where you are well outside of the mainstream,
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Speaker 5: you are shun spurred, ignored, ridiculed, and all the rest
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Speaker 5: of it, and censored basically every single thing we do.
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Speaker 5: And I know this might this might sound like hyperbole,
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Speaker 5: but it but it really isn't. As an illustration, let
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Speaker 5: me explain a brief anecdote. It was sort of last
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Speaker 5: summer I caught the Ministry of Defense in a lie
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Speaker 5: concerning censorship and conspiracy with police Scotland, and I had
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Speaker 5: this conversation with their communications directorate in a fairly candid
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Speaker 5: telephone call. And it was an almighty coincidence that a
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Speaker 5: telegram account that I was in possession of and a
10:42
Speaker 5: telegram channel that I ran disappeared two days later, I
10:46
Speaker 5: think it was, and I started a separate channel and
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Speaker 5: that went as well. So it seems impossible to ignore
10:55
Speaker 5: that kind of coincidence.
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Speaker 4: So so this is.
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Speaker 5: The reason for mentioning that is that is that honestly,
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Speaker 5: the efforts that we that we make both at the
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Speaker 5: corporate and the individual level, are absolutely seized. U bond thwarted,
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Speaker 5: subverted at every turn. And this when I think back
11:16
Speaker 5: to the Tiger. I can't remember exactly when it was,
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Speaker 5: but when Mike said to me in a meeting, said right,
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Speaker 5: we're going We're going back into print. We are going
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Speaker 5: to produce a magazine, and it was It's fantastic. That
11:28
Speaker 5: was a declaration of intent. We hadn't well, I mean,
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Speaker 5: we perhaps talked ombliquely about print before, we hadn't had
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Speaker 5: a sort of a warm up discussion.
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Speaker 4: It was just right that this is what we're going
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Speaker 4: to do.
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Speaker 5: And I thought it was a terrific idea and we
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Speaker 5: have just pushed on and done it. And I think
11:44
Speaker 5: that's what I that's what I love about it. And
11:47
Speaker 5: this is exactly the point, is that we are forced
11:51
Speaker 5: in a way to harness the communication streams that are
11:57
Speaker 5: that are there, which are largely online these days, and
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Speaker 5: of course they are the ones that can be tinkered with,
12:02
Speaker 5: meddled with, controlled and all the rest of it.
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Speaker 4: But the.
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Speaker 5: Physical production of a print magazine is a totally different game.
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Speaker 5: And this is really fascinating in terms of the way
12:15
Speaker 5: we view everything human interaction. If we think back, as
12:20
Speaker 5: we so often do, to twenty twenty, what was absolutely
12:23
Speaker 5: the first thing they tried to stop was people meeting up,
12:27
Speaker 5: people interacting. No reason to close this place rather than
12:32
Speaker 5: that place. But if you looked, it was all to
12:35
Speaker 5: do with where communications might be had in a way
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Speaker 5: that they couldn't be censored. And so I think this
12:41
Speaker 5: is a really significant, a really significant thing. And again
12:46
Speaker 5: to make the point that you just have about The Light,
12:48
Speaker 5: which obviously is a fantastic publication and has done very well,
12:53
Speaker 5: what I would take from what they do is that
12:55
Speaker 5: it is also terrific. Not that we're sort of aiming
12:58
Speaker 5: to replicate that at all, but seeing the in which
13:00
Speaker 5: people who do distribute the Light have interactions with people,
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Speaker 5: it's great. It's it absolutely brings something else. So yeah,
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Speaker 5: I think it it's really exciting. But I would I
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Speaker 5: think absolute huge credit to the MIC for having this
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Speaker 5: vision and pushing it through. And I really do love
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Speaker 5: that because I see a lot lot of sort of
13:22
Speaker 5: declared intent around us that fizzles and nothing ever comes
13:28
Speaker 5: of it. And so I think this is this the
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Speaker 5: achievement should not be understated or the level of it
13:34
Speaker 5: should really not be understated. It's been a big undertaking
13:37
Speaker 5: and it's required a hell of a lot of professionalism,
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Speaker 5: and I think that's where Tim Norman and Diane Rasmussen
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Speaker 5: have to have to get their very due credited, because
13:48
Speaker 5: this is not, you know, this is not just chucked together.
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Speaker 5: This is absolutely a proper, proper, really well swept up publication.
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Speaker 5: And I am you know, I feel a bit like
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Speaker 5: a hanger on, but to be part of that is
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Speaker 5: really exciting.
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Speaker 2: Well I'm quite privileged to be part of it too,
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Speaker 2: And I see that Patrick Innison and Piers Robinson get
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Speaker 2: a nod also in the first edition.
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Speaker 6: Yes, quite a number of others. You know, it is
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Speaker 6: I mean, I have to say it. There are a
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Speaker 6: number of columns which are relatively short reads. There are
14:24
Speaker 6: some in depth articles, but there are a couple of
14:26
Speaker 6: absolute megas in there which are you know, significant undertakings
14:31
Speaker 6: to take on just to read them.
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Speaker 3: It's going to be people are.
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Speaker 6: Going to get massive enjoyment from it if they grab
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Speaker 6: a copy. So I just urge everyone to do that.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I really do.
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Speaker 5: And I think also, you know, we did talk about this,
14:45
Speaker 5: so apologies to anyone who's sort of feeling like that
14:47
Speaker 5: being back to they've had the same thing more than once.
14:49
Speaker 5: But because we did talk about this a bit in
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Speaker 5: News Extra on Wednesday of this week. But I think
14:55
Speaker 5: the point because we under odd a bit as to
14:57
Speaker 5: whether it's going monthly or quarterly, and I think quarterly
15:00
Speaker 5: has absolutely been the right thing because these columns and articles.
15:05
Speaker 5: I think the articles, the longer form articles to a
15:08
Speaker 5: greater extent, will be absolutely as relevant in five years
15:12
Speaker 5: time as they are today. And that's the other element
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Speaker 5: to this, to build up, you know, to start with
15:18
Speaker 5: issue one and you get your you keep your set
15:21
Speaker 5: of issues of the column, and that's that. Again, I
15:24
Speaker 5: think it's terrific. They will be such useful references in
15:30
Speaker 5: years to come.
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Speaker 2: Well, I've been promoting it and I've been receiving some questions,
15:35
Speaker 2: So it's just quitty deal with a couple of those
15:37
Speaker 2: things like is it available yet, No, it's still.
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Speaker 3: It is currently with the printer.
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Speaker 6: We will have it on the thirty first whatevery day,
15:47
Speaker 6: that is Tuesday, Wednesday, next week, whatever that is, and
15:49
Speaker 6: then then the order fulfillment company will get those out
15:52
Speaker 6: as quickly as possible, so within a couple of days,
15:55
Speaker 6: so that I would imagine most people will.
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Speaker 2: Have them, okay, and worldwide absolutely, now.
16:04
Speaker 6: Worldwide, yes, now we have we have a slight problem
16:07
Speaker 6: in that we I'm going to reverse this situation just
16:12
Speaker 6: as soon as we're finished recording this today. But we
16:14
Speaker 6: had to temporarily switch off postage to the United States
16:17
Speaker 6: because we had a number of people who bid orders
16:22
Speaker 6: for T shirts and hoodies and stuff like this, which
16:24
Speaker 6: which we're over the value of one hundred dollars, and
16:29
Speaker 6: then they got stung for tariffs, and in fact, in
16:33
Speaker 6: a couple of cases, we ended up having stuff shift
16:37
Speaker 6: back to us, and so we had to we have
16:40
Speaker 6: had to bear the cost of the shipping in each direction.
16:43
Speaker 6: So so so we we had temporarily stopped shipping to
16:49
Speaker 6: the United States while we talked to the order fulfillment
16:52
Speaker 6: company about how we deal with the with the potential
16:55
Speaker 6: for tariffs to be put on stuff. But actually we'll
16:58
Speaker 6: switch that on again for for the magazine, because obviously
17:02
Speaker 6: that is significantly lower value than that and so hopefully
17:06
Speaker 6: nobody's going to be getting massive problems.
17:09
Speaker 3: But but you know, it has to be said.
17:11
Speaker 6: That Trump's Trump's tariff regime is is pretty difficult to
17:14
Speaker 6: navigate at the moment.
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Speaker 3: Better.
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Speaker 6: But to answer your question other than that, yeah, it's
17:21
Speaker 6: absolutely worldwide.
17:24
Speaker 2: And so when you do place an order, you'll have
17:29
Speaker 2: the option for selecting the country and then you'll be
17:32
Speaker 2: given a rate or how does how does that work?
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Speaker 3: Yeah?
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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, exactly, so, I mean so, I mean, it's
17:38
Speaker 6: just it's just exactly as as any other product at
17:41
Speaker 6: the moment, with the with the the any other product
17:44
Speaker 6: in the shop. But the other thing to say on
17:45
Speaker 6: that is, because we have had questions about this, will
17:48
Speaker 6: we be offering a print subscription so that people don't.
17:51
Speaker 3: Have to order each issue as it comes out. And
17:54
Speaker 3: the answer to that is yes.
17:55
Speaker 6: Again there we're not entirely certain how we manage the
17:59
Speaker 6: deliveries out of that. So that's going to take you know,
18:03
Speaker 6: a week or two to get organized, but we will
18:05
Speaker 6: be doing that.
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Speaker 1: Okay, don't shoot the messenger.
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Speaker 2: I'm just throwing throwing the Christian at Will they be
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Speaker 2: a pdf cheaper version for those who don't want to Okay,
18:17
Speaker 2: so there we go.
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Speaker 6: No, but what we are working with that we are
18:22
Speaker 6: aware of a couple of companies that that will provide uh,
18:26
Speaker 6: you know, tablet apps. I mean I don't think. I
18:29
Speaker 6: don't think, to be honest, I don't think it will
18:31
Speaker 6: work too well on a on a mobile phone. I
18:33
Speaker 6: think that's that's going to be pretty tricky on a
18:35
Speaker 6: small screen that size to to do. But certainly on
18:39
Speaker 6: a tablet will work. And so an iPad or or
18:42
Speaker 6: an Android, Samsung or whatever. So we we we intend
18:45
Speaker 6: to make it available that way. But but PDFs, No,
18:49
Speaker 6: we're not going to be distributing PDFs.
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Speaker 1: And it's glossy and beautiful.
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Speaker 6: Actually it's matt and beautiful. Yes, I thought it was silky,
19:02
Speaker 6: silky feel. I mean it's it's if anybody has seen
19:06
Speaker 6: the Your Life in their Hands report, it'll be a
19:09
Speaker 6: similar paper stock to that. It's it's one hundred and
19:13
Speaker 6: thirty gram. It's it's pretty heavy paper stock. But it's
19:16
Speaker 6: gonna feel nice.
19:18
Speaker 1: Yes, I mean it feels like quality.
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Speaker 3: It's not to the side, No, No, it is.
19:24
Speaker 1: It is. And that price tag is not very high.
19:27
Speaker 3: Actually it's competitive.
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Speaker 6: I think with with you know, other products, and that
19:35
Speaker 6: we might want to at some point compete with.
19:39
Speaker 5: The relativety of these sorts of things price wise is
19:43
Speaker 5: just so. I think we are in very strange times
19:45
Speaker 5: on that I was saying to Mike, I, I mean,
19:49
Speaker 5: I I regret it, but I decided I would drink
19:52
Speaker 5: a pint of guinness on Saint Patrick's Day. It seems
19:56
Speaker 5: like an absolutely terrific idea until I was asked for
19:59
Speaker 5: seven pounds to twenty you know, so two of those
20:03
Speaker 5: constitutes it's got. Yeah, it is absolutely outrageous. And this
20:10
Speaker 5: was not This was not in Soho or wherever. You
20:13
Speaker 5: know we have a part of I mean, you know
20:15
Speaker 5: this was this was in Plymouth.
20:18
Speaker 1: So wait, wait, wait, wait.
20:20
Speaker 6: It is quite amazing much well, I'm just going to
20:23
Speaker 6: say it is quite amazing how quickly this situation has changed,
20:28
Speaker 6: because I don't know when the BBC made the series
20:32
Speaker 6: of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, but you know, in
20:34
Speaker 6: the first episode of that, Arthur Dent and Ford Prefect
20:38
Speaker 6: going to the pub and they order of five, you know,
20:40
Speaker 6: ten pints in total, and he hands over for a
20:42
Speaker 6: fiver and says and the barman says, you know, he says,
20:47
Speaker 6: keep the change in. The bar man says, what for
20:49
Speaker 6: a fiver? And I'm thinking, the hell, this is how
20:53
Speaker 6: far we've we've common terms of deflation and forty years
20:56
Speaker 6: sort of thing.
20:57
Speaker 3: It's just incredible.
20:58
Speaker 1: Just quickly, how much as a pint is a close.
21:02
Speaker 4: Five six eight?
21:03
Speaker 5: This is this is a but I'm so glad you've
21:05
Speaker 5: asked this question because for our transatlantic audience, a pint
21:10
Speaker 5: is not sixteen ounces. A pint is twenty ounces an
21:14
Speaker 5: imperial part. There's basically that.
21:16
Speaker 3: There's people get short change.
21:18
Speaker 4: Yeah they do so.
21:20
Speaker 5: An imperial is the metric system and it's just no germ.
21:25
Speaker 4: We will not do that.
21:27
Speaker 6: An imperial a former colony. It's a disgrice. Are you
21:30
Speaker 6: even suggesting such a thing.
21:31
Speaker 5: It's quite an imperial pint is twenty ounces and that's
21:35
Speaker 5: five hundred That converts to five hundred and sixty eight
21:38
Speaker 5: middle liters, and a US pint is sixteen ounces, which
21:42
Speaker 5: is considerably less. I can't remember what that what that
21:45
Speaker 5: works out at in Middle liases, but these these things
21:47
Speaker 5: really do.
21:48
Speaker 4: Make a difference.
21:48
Speaker 5: And sometimes you will find at particularly at festivals and
21:53
Speaker 5: whatnot in the UK, and I can see exactly why
21:56
Speaker 5: this happens. You do have to check the glass that
21:59
Speaker 5: you're or the like plastic cup you're given because cash
22:03
Speaker 5: and carries sell pint cups in the UK, but to
22:09
Speaker 5: a US measurement. How exactly that started. I have no idea,
22:12
Speaker 5: because obviously you can still get proper imperial pint ones,
22:15
Speaker 5: but we do. You do have to check these things.
22:16
Speaker 5: But it becomes very confusing because then it throws everything out.
22:19
Speaker 5: It means that all the things that we talk about
22:23
Speaker 5: that we think of being as imperial measurements that the
22:26
Speaker 5: Americans use, so anything from a pint upwards, a gallon,
22:30
Speaker 5: a court, whatever, they're all different.
22:32
Speaker 4: They're basically they're all wrong. I would say, so highly confusing.
22:37
Speaker 2: I when I spoke to you a couple of months ago, Charles,
22:39
Speaker 2: I was having a beer. I think it was about
22:42
Speaker 2: half a liter, and let me just do the conversion.
22:45
Speaker 2: I think it was probably around three just over three
22:49
Speaker 2: pounds or somewhere between three and four pounds.
22:51
Speaker 1: Is that I don't know if that's a good pace
22:53
Speaker 1: or not.
22:54
Speaker 5: Yeah, that I mean, but you know, again, this is
22:56
Speaker 5: just it is ridiculous because and I'm sorry to be
23:01
Speaker 5: more about this, but the reason I know is because
23:02
Speaker 5: I used to I ran, I.
23:04
Speaker 4: Set up and ran a brewery of my own.
23:06
Speaker 5: I mean, I know exactly what the input costs are,
23:08
Speaker 5: and I know exactly how you price speer and this
23:13
Speaker 5: is this is precisely the same as what's happening at
23:17
Speaker 5: the petrol pumps. Now that this is this is opportunism.
23:20
Speaker 5: There has there has been no shock and okay I'm
23:24
Speaker 5: talking prior to the last few weeks, but that there
23:28
Speaker 5: has not been a shock to the supply lines running
23:31
Speaker 5: into the brewing industry that merit the doubling or in
23:36
Speaker 5: some cases trebling of prices. This is absolutely opportunistic and
23:41
Speaker 5: it's completely corrupt. I Okay, the way I did it
23:47
Speaker 5: was different, but I was then.
23:48
Speaker 4: This is going back a little while.
23:51
Speaker 5: I was able to sell beer for two pounds fifty
23:53
Speaker 5: a pint and make a decent profit profit from it. Okay,
23:57
Speaker 5: that was in house sales. But but it's just painful.
24:01
Speaker 5: I mean, even back then, to go out and have
24:03
Speaker 5: to pay well over double that elsewhere, knowing that they're
24:06
Speaker 5: absolute snakes and there's no reason to do that. But
24:09
Speaker 5: I mean, just because you're paying that in a pub
24:11
Speaker 5: doesn't mean that the that the brewer is necessarily charging.
24:16
Speaker 5: In actual fact, most of the case they're not. But
24:20
Speaker 5: this again, actually is a big, big problem. You know,
24:22
Speaker 5: the way that the industry has sort of tried to
24:25
Speaker 5: change itself, but hasn't hasn't really worked, but they're still trapped.
24:30
Speaker 5: And this is where the COVID experiment was such an
24:33
Speaker 5: interesting one, because a lot of places have trapped themselves
24:36
Speaker 5: in this cycle of having to endlessly staff premises and
24:40
Speaker 5: therefore their overheads are enormous, but they're not getting the
24:44
Speaker 5: footfall and they've put people off because they've hiked the prices,
24:47
Speaker 5: particularly of their drinks up and their reliance upon people
24:51
Speaker 5: coming in to spend large amounts of money on food.
24:53
Speaker 5: The problem with that, of course, they take up tables
24:55
Speaker 5: for long periods of time and all the rest of it,
24:58
Speaker 5: and this so much many of our economic main states
25:02
Speaker 5: have been really challenged by that, by the changes in
25:06
Speaker 5: people's behavior. And this is this really is i would say,
25:10
Speaker 5: applied behavioral psychology at work.
25:13
Speaker 4: This is this is nudge.
25:14
Speaker 5: People have fundamentally altered the way in which they behave.
25:19
Speaker 5: And it's so obvious because when you do come to
25:22
Speaker 5: a sort of traditional ye old ye watering hole where
25:25
Speaker 5: people go in to buy drinks, you will you will
25:29
Speaker 5: be able to keep the prices low because it works.
25:31
Speaker 5: You are you are quite literally turning over at an
25:35
Speaker 5: appropriate rate, and you don't need to charge a premium
25:38
Speaker 5: for it, and therefore you will attract more custom and
25:41
Speaker 5: all the rest of it. So it is, it's just
25:44
Speaker 5: yet another instance where it's so so regrettable that people
25:47
Speaker 5: have been susceptible to these to these changes of behavior.
25:50
Speaker 5: I mean, like the sort of working from home or
25:53
Speaker 5: doing this from everything done at the home, going exactly
25:57
Speaker 5: back to what we were talking about in the magazine,
25:59
Speaker 5: which course means that people have basically isolated, that they're
26:02
Speaker 5: being governed by their what they're receiving through their various
26:08
Speaker 5: media devices, rather than I'm not saying everyone needs to
26:12
Speaker 5: be down the pub every night, doesn't matter where it is,
26:14
Speaker 5: but just interacting with the people and being able to
26:18
Speaker 5: sort of benchmark your opinions and points of view. But
26:21
Speaker 5: of course you don't get to do that if you're
26:23
Speaker 5: if you're being sold the idea of oh you get
26:25
Speaker 5: a takeaway or we get this out and the other,
26:27
Speaker 5: and you know, you're you're supporting a totally different type
26:30
Speaker 5: of economy. You're not providing jobs for a local market
26:35
Speaker 5: and whatnot.
26:36
Speaker 4: So say, I think.
26:36
Speaker 5: There's a you know, we talk I suppose slightly glibly boh,
26:40
Speaker 5: you know, that's a bit of rip off, but I
26:41
Speaker 5: think there's a much more serious side to this, and
26:43
Speaker 5: it's absolutely related to all the other sorts of things
26:45
Speaker 5: that we commentate on.
26:48
Speaker 2: This a little after thought at the bottom of the
26:51
Speaker 2: description of the magazine, and I picked up on that
26:54
Speaker 2: because I have a secret love for pop culture. I
26:57
Speaker 2: know it's not a popular thing to say in Alternatus,
27:00
Speaker 2: but I see there that you've got book and music reviews.
27:03
Speaker 2: Now Catherine Fitz does this also, and I think it's great,
27:06
Speaker 2: and I'm glad that during some of that.
27:11
Speaker 4: So am I And I think that's that I must say.
27:14
Speaker 5: Is is a part of the magazine that I think
27:16
Speaker 5: we want to expand in the films of time. But
27:19
Speaker 5: I think it's essential, It is absolutely essential that we
27:22
Speaker 5: do that. And I was thinking before we started recording today,
27:26
Speaker 5: because we a few weeks ago with our I think,
27:29
Speaker 5: you what do you entitle it? Finding beauty and whatever
27:33
Speaker 5: it was, but anyway, authentically living authentically, that's right, and
27:36
Speaker 5: that was It was actually a very uplifting discussion to
27:38
Speaker 5: be part of. But it seemed to resonate very much
27:40
Speaker 5: with large suades of the audience, and it has had
27:43
Speaker 5: a really good response and I was just thinking today,
27:45
Speaker 5: you know, what is it that we can really, you know,
27:48
Speaker 5: that we can infuse about and we can be positive about.
27:50
Speaker 5: Obviously the magazine is an absolutely classic example of that
27:53
Speaker 5: because it just it does so many different things at
27:57
Speaker 5: the same time, both within the UK column sphere and without.
28:01
Speaker 5: So that's a terrific thing to be positive about it.
28:03
Speaker 5: But just generally, what does one take enjoyment from? And Okay,
28:06
Speaker 5: again this is only getting to perhaps appeal to certain people,
28:09
Speaker 5: but I agree with you the popular culture thing, although
28:11
Speaker 5: perhaps we're talking about slightly different things. I'm talking about
28:14
Speaker 5: books that were written by a retired schoolmaster from the
28:17
Speaker 5: nineteen fifties. And if anyone doesn't know about these but
28:21
Speaker 5: does have children or indeed sort of you know, younger people,
28:24
Speaker 5: they can get these books too. They are absolutely priceless,
28:26
Speaker 5: very well known, written by Anthony Buckridge, and they are
28:31
Speaker 5: they're all called something Jennings, so they're based on this
28:34
Speaker 5: schoolboy called Jennings who just gets in endless scrapes, always
28:38
Speaker 5: of his own making. But they are outrageously funny to
28:41
Speaker 5: people of all ages. And I must say I remember
28:44
Speaker 5: them from childhood. But to read to read again, especially
28:48
Speaker 5: because of the sort of dated nature of everything that happens.
28:53
Speaker 5: You know, it's all it is absolutely all sort of right,
28:56
Speaker 5: will just be outdoors, whatever the weather, We're going to
28:59
Speaker 5: grab all the kit go up there for a picnic,
29:01
Speaker 5: and then and then everything happens. I mean, the bit
29:04
Speaker 5: that I was reading yesterday was to do with a
29:07
Speaker 5: school picnic that ended with the camp stove catching fire
29:11
Speaker 5: and exploding. You know, I mean, it's it's okay, it's silly,
29:14
Speaker 5: but it is so funny, and.
29:17
Speaker 4: It's so it's so charming.
29:19
Speaker 5: And I know, yes, of course there was bad stuff
29:22
Speaker 5: going on in the world in the nighties, but I
29:24
Speaker 5: think just generally, the intrusions into people's lives then, as
29:28
Speaker 5: reflected by the way in which the book is written,
29:30
Speaker 5: are just incomparable.
29:31
Speaker 4: They're just it really was a different world.
29:34
Speaker 5: And I really do maintain the belief that that we
29:38
Speaker 5: are able to bring back all the good that we
29:42
Speaker 5: that we can sort of extract from anywhere else and
29:44
Speaker 5: reinject it into our lives.
29:47
Speaker 1: Probably one of the conject one of the dangerous re established.
29:52
Speaker 2: One of the other comments under our recent video is Charles,
29:55
Speaker 2: you speak too much.
29:56
Speaker 1: Let's give mic and go Yeah, I saw that as well.
30:00
Speaker 3: If I wanted to say something, I would have said something.
30:03
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean are other days, Yeah, there are other.
30:08
Speaker 3: Days when the complain is with Mike, shut up. So yeah, yeah,
30:12
Speaker 3: it all balances the end, you.
30:14
Speaker 4: Know, Goldilocks.
30:15
Speaker 2: Well, let's talk about the talk about the music also,
30:16
Speaker 2: I mean what I mean, what do you cover there.
30:20
Speaker 3: With?
30:20
Speaker 4: What with the music for the magazine? You mean that? Actually,
30:23
Speaker 4: that's a very good question.
30:24
Speaker 5: I know that Diane has provided a music review, and
30:27
Speaker 5: I am not sufficiently qualified to comment on on exactly
30:31
Speaker 5: what it was she reviewed. In fact, I can't remember
30:33
Speaker 5: off the top of my head whether there was whether
30:35
Speaker 5: there was anything else.
30:37
Speaker 4: Mike, do you remember? No, and no, I'm afraid that Okay,
30:40
Speaker 4: but I know, but I do.
30:41
Speaker 5: Whatever it was, and my apologies to to Diane because
30:45
Speaker 5: I know she did speak very enthusiastically about it. I know,
30:47
Speaker 5: I know that it's a fantastic review and it's and
30:49
Speaker 5: it is well not not only is it worth reading,
30:51
Speaker 5: but the music that she reviews is absolutely worth getting into.
30:54
Speaker 5: But I'm afraid to say, because like you've said, this
30:58
Speaker 5: is this magazine is one hundred and twenty eight pag
31:00
Speaker 5: Wich is long. I would be lying if I said
31:02
Speaker 5: I could remember absolutely everything that's gone into it. There
31:05
Speaker 5: is a heck of a lot. But yeah, the music
31:07
Speaker 5: is great. I mean, I think, you know, if we can,
31:09
Speaker 5: if we can continue that and get into drama and
31:11
Speaker 5: theater and and and all sorts of art, because there is, yeah,
31:16
Speaker 5: like like all forms of I don't know, sort of
31:19
Speaker 5: human output. These things are of course, they're susceptible to
31:22
Speaker 5: being corrupted. But look, you know, you're an artist. You
31:25
Speaker 5: produce cartoons, and we think they are absolutely bang on,
31:28
Speaker 5: Jake Fern.
31:29
Speaker 6: And by the way, we should absolutely say a massive
31:32
Speaker 6: thank you to you for providing the front color.
31:37
Speaker 4: We should. Yeah, it looks.
31:41
Speaker 1: It looks a lot better than I imagined.
31:43
Speaker 4: It looks terrific.
31:46
Speaker 2: The reason why I brought up the music and the
31:49
Speaker 2: books thing is because entertainment has been part of the
31:53
Speaker 2: human experience forever.
31:55
Speaker 1: It goes all the way back to the ancient Greeks, theater, reading.
31:59
Speaker 2: Before moments, you know, and and I mean when you're driving, it.
32:02
Speaker 3: Goes back a heck of a lot further than that.
32:05
Speaker 2: Probably, And when you go, you go somewhere in your call,
32:07
Speaker 2: you don't drive in silence. You're probably playing something through
32:10
Speaker 2: the speakers.
32:12
Speaker 4: Well, Mike, you go, you go. I'm now very conscious of.
32:17
Speaker 6: Well, I know that Charles is spending when he's driving,
32:21
Speaker 6: spending most of his time listening to podcasts of all kinds,
32:24
Speaker 6: sometimes UK column sometimes not.
32:26
Speaker 1: But that's also good.
32:28
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I think I think that is definitely
32:32
Speaker 6: an opportunity to listen to stuff that we just otherwise
32:35
Speaker 6: don't get the chance to listen to. I have to say,
32:38
Speaker 6: I I'm listening to quite a bit less music now
32:43
Speaker 6: than I used to. I'm not sure why that is
32:46
Speaker 6: too busy doing other stuff maybe, but but you know that,
32:50
Speaker 6: I think it's something that we should all be finding
32:54
Speaker 6: time to make room for because it definitely contributes to
33:00
Speaker 6: to you know, a balanced that's the point.
33:05
Speaker 1: That's exactly the point.
33:06
Speaker 2: So if I go driving and I find there's just
33:09
Speaker 2: so much information overload that in a way, it's just
33:13
Speaker 2: a great escape, even if it's for twenty minutes.
33:16
Speaker 1: Just put on.
33:16
Speaker 2: Put on some music that that doesn't have any kind
33:20
Speaker 2: of social commentary.
33:25
Speaker 3: You know, a.
33:25
Speaker 1: Country song that's about a guy losing his dog.
33:28
Speaker 6: Yeah, Okay, there's lots of music that does have social commentary,
33:32
Speaker 6: and it can catch you out sometimes, but but yeah,
33:34
Speaker 6: absolutely go for something that lies you to switch off.
33:39
Speaker 2: Well exactly, that's that's the point that I was making
33:41
Speaker 2: about entertainment. One of the discussions I had recently was
33:44
Speaker 2: somebody were saying, that's all bread and circuses, but.
33:48
Speaker 1: You do need to switch off otherwise you're going to
33:52
Speaker 1: stitch your wrists.
33:54
Speaker 3: No, no, no, because you're not going to sledch your rest.
33:57
Speaker 3: No no.
33:58
Speaker 6: I think we discussed this before, big contributor to the conversation.
34:03
Speaker 6: Helps also helps deal with what we're experiencing at the moment.
34:07
Speaker 6: So I don't think pushn't think there's any urge to
34:11
Speaker 6: slit risks at this point.
34:13
Speaker 1: No, no, no.
34:14
Speaker 2: What I mean is, if you think back now to
34:16
Speaker 2: the covid Ero, it was very dark with all the lockdowns,
34:20
Speaker 2: and you weren't allowed to buy this, you were allowed
34:21
Speaker 2: to buy that, and I think a lot of people
34:23
Speaker 2: just didn't know.
34:24
Speaker 6: But even in that situation, Jeremy, you know, just speaking
34:28
Speaker 6: purely personally, I actually got a lot out of lockdown because,
34:33
Speaker 6: first of all, I largely ignored it, which meant that
34:37
Speaker 6: I had the feeling that I was sticking it to
34:38
Speaker 6: the man as it were, But as well as that,
34:42
Speaker 6: you know, because you know, I became very much more
34:48
Speaker 6: active Actually yeah, o't side and what not, because because
34:51
Speaker 6: that was also, in a sense an active resistance, and
34:55
Speaker 6: so yeah, I was probably well no, it was also yeah,
35:01
Speaker 6: maybe up to a point, but no, it was it
35:03
Speaker 6: was actually an active decision to resist the determination by
35:08
Speaker 6: the state that we should not be going outside and
35:11
Speaker 6: seeing the countryside and.
35:12
Speaker 3: All this kind of stuff.
35:13
Speaker 6: So so, you know, too much of a degree I
35:17
Speaker 6: have allowed myself to be indoors again and uh.
35:22
Speaker 3: This this you know, break back, another lockdown and I say.
35:25
Speaker 5: Steady, you absolutely know it's coming, and then it was coming. Yeah, yeah, look, sorry,
35:34
Speaker 5: just just to jump in on that one, because yes,
35:37
Speaker 5: I think and we did talk a little bit about
35:39
Speaker 5: this before, but I think there are there are degrees
35:45
Speaker 5: let's see whoever that was, but there are degrees of
35:49
Speaker 5: of switching off because because actually, yeah, I do when
35:53
Speaker 5: I drive, I do, I do tend to listen to
35:56
Speaker 5: two UK column content. Uh. But it's partly because most
36:01
Speaker 5: of the driving that I do do is for long
36:03
Speaker 5: distances and not short ones. So it does present the
36:06
Speaker 5: opportunity to digest sort of long format content. It is
36:10
Speaker 5: also partly to do the fact that my automobile does
36:14
Speaker 5: not have its own music producing equipment, so therefore listening
36:19
Speaker 5: to music.
36:20
Speaker 4: Is actually not an option I do.
36:22
Speaker 5: Natural fact, I do spend quite long periods of time
36:25
Speaker 5: even in the car and not listening to anything. That
36:27
Speaker 5: again is a deliberate that I would say for me,
36:29
Speaker 5: that is what switching off is. I don't consider and sorry,
36:33
Speaker 5: this is not to disagree with you or sort of
36:36
Speaker 5: try to make a counter point, as it were, But
36:42
Speaker 5: to me, being entertained, so going to the theater or
36:45
Speaker 5: listening to music or whatever is still being switched on,
36:49
Speaker 5: but you're just switching in a different direction. To me,
36:51
Speaker 5: switching off is in fact just being attuned to your surroundings.
36:57
Speaker 5: You could say that you are still switched on because
36:58
Speaker 5: you're switched on to that. I think what I go
37:00
Speaker 5: back to is some years ago, and actually only briefly,
37:04
Speaker 5: but I fell into the trap of wearing earphones when
37:09
Speaker 5: I was out running. I used to do a lot
37:13
Speaker 5: of long distance running, and previously, having been worked in
37:18
Speaker 5: organizations or had jobs where where a lot of physical
37:20
Speaker 5: activity was conducted sort of with groups of other people,
37:23
Speaker 5: so there was a something going on. Then I found
37:26
Speaker 5: doing it on my own, and it was with the
37:28
Speaker 5: advent of all the you know, like you could get
37:30
Speaker 5: little music devices sort of MP three players I think
37:32
Speaker 5: they were, and so I would listen to music. But then,
37:36
Speaker 5: of course I fairly shortly realized, well that why would
37:41
Speaker 5: you do that. I mean, okay, if you're in an
37:43
Speaker 5: urban area, you could sort of say, well then, because
37:45
Speaker 5: you know, you're blotting out noise of traffic or whatnot.
37:47
Speaker 5: But even that's interesting, and the jetty chatter and the
37:50
Speaker 5: different sounds as you go from place to place, so
37:53
Speaker 5: properly soaking up what your senses will allow you to.
37:57
Speaker 5: And certainly in the countryside, I think it's I think
37:59
Speaker 5: as forgivable to to block out the zundes of wildlife
38:05
Speaker 5: and nature and everything else.
38:07
Speaker 4: So so I.
38:08
Speaker 5: Think there are there absolutely are sort of different stations,
38:11
Speaker 5: and which is not to discredit the idea of listening
38:14
Speaker 5: to music or becoming immersed in something else. I think
38:17
Speaker 5: that that is totally valid. But I do think there
38:19
Speaker 5: is also a case for actually switching everything off and
38:24
Speaker 5: just being with your own thoughts, because I totally take
38:27
Speaker 5: the point about putting on a song or whatever, and
38:29
Speaker 5: it just seems like a distraction, but actually it's not all.
38:32
Speaker 5: Rather it is and that's it. It's a distraction. Does
38:34
Speaker 5: distract your way from something that's constraction to something else? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
38:37
Speaker 5: But I think to to have times where there's there
38:40
Speaker 5: are sort of either there's as little as possible governing
38:45
Speaker 5: your thoughts and then seeing what you come up with,
38:48
Speaker 5: because I again going back to the running thing. It
38:50
Speaker 5: could be when you're out walking, could be what you know,
38:52
Speaker 5: whatever you're doing. But over the years, I have come
38:56
Speaker 5: back from a walk or a run with so many
38:59
Speaker 5: very clear ideas of something that I need to do,
39:02
Speaker 5: that I'm going to do whatever. It's an amazing catalyst
39:05
Speaker 5: for that, and I do not believe the same effect
39:08
Speaker 5: would be achieved were I listening to whatever.
39:11
Speaker 2: But that's that's my argument, Charles, That's exactly what I
39:14
Speaker 2: mean saying that's why we go to the bush.
39:16
Speaker 1: I find it very inspiring.
39:18
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely yeah, no, I mean completely,
39:22
Speaker 5: completely and utterly.
39:24
Speaker 2: I've been trying to find a segue and I'm absolutely
39:28
Speaker 2: unable to do so.
39:29
Speaker 1: But I really want to.
39:30
Speaker 2: I really want to comment on my most recent episode
39:34
Speaker 2: about the Kim Tail and the g engineering.
39:38
Speaker 1: Because it has predictably resulted.
39:41
Speaker 2: In a response that wasn't very difficult to predict. And
39:46
Speaker 2: that is now I'm a siop or now I'm a
39:49
Speaker 2: control the position, and my guest has also controlled the position.
39:52
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah blah blah.
39:54
Speaker 6: So so just just let me understand that your guest
39:56
Speaker 6: was Jim Traugowski. That would be the Jim that all
40:00
Speaker 6: all those people have probably been supporting for the last
40:03
Speaker 6: five six years, right, yeah, that one and that that's
40:07
Speaker 6: been highlighting pandemic treatise and whatnot. Yes, but because he
40:12
Speaker 6: has a view that is different on this topic than
40:15
Speaker 6: he becomes controlled opposition.
40:18
Speaker 2: Right exactly, right, This is this is the thing. There's
40:22
Speaker 2: there's a there's an inability to see nuance. I would
40:27
Speaker 2: strongly recommend I'd strongly recommend everybody goes and listen to it.
40:30
Speaker 2: It is so so sobering because what he does actually
40:34
Speaker 2: is that he and I bring this up because when
40:37
Speaker 2: I joined you, Colum, I remember you and me, Mike,
40:39
Speaker 2: we we had a chat about this, uh and and
40:42
Speaker 2: it's it's for me.
40:43
Speaker 1: It's it's an.
40:44
Speaker 2: Incredibly annoying topic because it's either they're trying to kill us.
40:50
Speaker 2: When I look up in the sky, which is a strange.
40:53
Speaker 2: It's a very strange thing because that affects everybody, including them,
40:56
Speaker 2: because you can't get away from from stuff that's in
40:59
Speaker 2: the sky. Or it's the government narrative, which is it's
41:02
Speaker 2: just water vapor, there's no harm.
41:04
Speaker 1: Of course, it's pollution. Obviously it's pollution.
41:08
Speaker 2: If you turn your car on it and you leave
41:10
Speaker 2: your girlge or closed and you just did it, run,
41:12
Speaker 2: you're going to start feeding them. But ill at some
41:14
Speaker 2: point because of what's coming out of the exhaust.
41:17
Speaker 6: Look my view, because I'm also controlled the opposition because
41:21
Speaker 6: of the of my view on this, because my view
41:24
Speaker 6: for a very long time now has been that the
41:28
Speaker 6: chem trills narrative that every trial we see in the
41:33
Speaker 6: sky is the evidence of spraying something, the intentional, deliberate
41:39
Speaker 6: spraying something in the sky. That narrative is the best
41:43
Speaker 6: gift that the airline industry could possibly have, Yes, because
41:48
Speaker 6: what that does is completely discredit any criticism of what
41:52
Speaker 6: is being pumped out the back of jet aircraft. Charles's point,
41:57
Speaker 6: which is absolutely valid, is the aircraft that are flying
42:01
Speaker 6: one days when the weather conditions don't support the production
42:05
Speaker 6: of persistent contrails are still pumping out the same stuff,
42:09
Speaker 6: and the question is what is happening to that stuff?
42:12
Speaker 3: Clearly it doesn't stay up there forever.
42:14
Speaker 6: At some point it absolutely falls out of the sky
42:17
Speaker 6: and falls onto the ground.
42:18
Speaker 3: And has anybody done.
42:20
Speaker 6: Any particular research into the implications of that, Well, I'm
42:24
Speaker 6: not aware of any. There may be some in some
42:27
Speaker 6: scientific papers somewhere, but it's certainly not something which is
42:30
Speaker 6: part of the public discussion. And part of the problem here,
42:33
Speaker 6: of course, is that we all want to go on
42:36
Speaker 6: our foreign holidays, so we don't want to criticize the
42:39
Speaker 6: airline industry too much. But the other thing, the other
42:43
Speaker 6: aspect of this is the question of, you know what,
42:47
Speaker 6: what is our attitude to the truth, because if we
42:51
Speaker 6: are simply saying what they are spraying us look up
42:56
Speaker 6: with zero evidence whatsoever.
42:58
Speaker 3: For the you know, where are.
43:01
Speaker 6: The tankers that are that are pumping out this stuff
43:04
Speaker 6: on a daily basis, Where are the contracts for the spraying?
43:08
Speaker 6: Where's the evidence actually for it. There's plenty of evidence
43:13
Speaker 6: for pollution and for the effects of pollution on the ground.
43:16
Speaker 6: I'm not disputing any of that, and I'm not disputing
43:20
Speaker 6: the impact of the contrails, and particularly when they persist
43:26
Speaker 6: and they spread out over this and they effectively block
43:28
Speaker 6: the sun.
43:29
Speaker 3: And I'm not suggesting that there is no such thing.
43:32
Speaker 6: As geoengineering experimentation. Absolutely understand that that is going on.
43:37
Speaker 6: The issue here is the scale of it. And if
43:41
Speaker 6: we are saying that every single trail that is laid
43:46
Speaker 6: in the sky is the result of a geoengineering experiment
43:49
Speaker 6: or the result of an effort by someone the man
43:53
Speaker 6: to poison us, all you need to show me the
43:56
Speaker 6: evidence for that, because otherwise it doesn't exist. And nobody
44:00
Speaker 6: has done that. So in the meantime, airlines are unit.
44:06
Speaker 1: That you're going to get pushed back because someone will say,
44:08
Speaker 1: but people are we.
44:10
Speaker 6: Can push back for years on this. Yes, of course, yes, yes,
44:13
Speaker 6: absolutely absolutely, And you know, I'm you know I'm. They
44:17
Speaker 6: have their view and they are presenting what they consider
44:20
Speaker 6: to be the evidence. But I have not yet been
44:22
Speaker 6: convinced by that evidence to suggest to the degree that
44:26
Speaker 6: that that I could stand by a claim that that
44:30
Speaker 6: that this is the result of what we see as
44:33
Speaker 6: a result of spraying. That doesn't mean that spraying doesn't happen. Again,
44:37
Speaker 6: I'm going to say it again, and I realized that
44:39
Speaker 6: that reiterating this isn't going to make any difference to
44:42
Speaker 6: somebody that is totally brought into this narrative. I said, again,
44:48
Speaker 6: I'm not denying that geoengineering experimentation is happening. I'm not
44:51
Speaker 6: denying that spraying is happening, the cloud seating is happening.
44:55
Speaker 6: These things are all happening.
44:57
Speaker 3: It's the question of what is the skill of it.
45:00
Speaker 6: If we're talking about huge areas of this planet being
45:04
Speaker 6: covered in being sprayed, then I need to see the
45:07
Speaker 6: contracts for that, because otherwise I don't believe it.
45:10
Speaker 2: So Yeah, argument that James makes, which I think is
45:15
Speaker 2: very very good, is that, like you, he says, look,
45:17
Speaker 2: these things do exist, and they're probably part of military operations,
45:21
Speaker 2: and we do know that they have existed in there
45:23
Speaker 2: are patents and there are real examples of these things.
45:25
Speaker 1: But what you're seeing in the.
45:26
Speaker 2: Sky, like an Emirates flight or a British Airways flight,
45:30
Speaker 2: those aeroplanes are not equipped. What you're seeing is a
45:33
Speaker 2: misunderstanding of how the atmosphere works.
45:36
Speaker 1: That's the one argument.
45:37
Speaker 2: And the second argument that he makes is what's coming
45:40
Speaker 2: under those aeroplanes absolutely is toxic. It is all kinds
45:45
Speaker 2: of pollution, which is a byproduct of the aviation and
45:49
Speaker 2: rocketry industry. Every time Elon Musk sends up a rocket,
45:53
Speaker 2: there's a lot of stuff going into the air. And
45:55
Speaker 2: he says, what happens, yeah, is that when you keep
45:57
Speaker 2: focusing on those trails in the sky, elon off the
46:01
Speaker 2: hook and you're letting you letting all the alianes off
46:03
Speaker 2: the hook because you're not actually looking at the the
46:07
Speaker 2: pollutants that they're producing as about product.
46:12
Speaker 3: That's that's absolutely right.
46:13
Speaker 6: But look, let me just deal with the pittent issue
46:16
Speaker 6: for a moment, because you know, pittents. Pittents are not
46:21
Speaker 6: reliable indicators of what exists. This is not the way
46:25
Speaker 6: the pitton system works. There's so much, Yeah, but there's
46:28
Speaker 6: so much speculative pittent filings, so many speculative pittent filings.
46:33
Speaker 6: So somebody comes up with an idea that that may
46:36
Speaker 6: be possible at some point in the future, and they
46:38
Speaker 6: will pittent that idea. It doesn't matter whether it's actually
46:41
Speaker 6: a real thing today or not. They'll pittent it today
46:44
Speaker 6: because in twenty years or forty years, somebody is going
46:47
Speaker 6: to want to do the same thing and they're going
46:48
Speaker 6: to have to pay a license fee for the right
46:52
Speaker 6: to do that. They may have solved the problem by then,
46:54
Speaker 6: you know.
46:54
Speaker 3: So you know, there are lots.
46:56
Speaker 6: Of things that are filed as pittons which do not exist,
47:00
Speaker 6: have never existed, and never will exist. And and of
47:04
Speaker 6: course there is an entire industry of lawyers there just
47:09
Speaker 6: to bring cases around some of these speculative patents. So
47:13
Speaker 6: you've got to be very careful about about pittents. The contracts,
47:17
Speaker 6: on the other hand, are much more convincing evidence, I
47:21
Speaker 6: would say, And but but on the general point, you know,
47:25
Speaker 6: it's not just Elon Musk, it's getting let off the hook.
47:28
Speaker 6: It's every single airline. It's it's boring, that's it's a
47:31
Speaker 6: lot and uh, you know, you could say that setting
47:39
Speaker 6: the pollution size issue in and of itself aside, which
47:44
Speaker 6: we shouldn't be, it's actually not that hard for airlines
47:48
Speaker 6: to fly at flight levels that don't produce persistent contrils.
47:52
Speaker 6: They could, they could organize themselves to do this, but
47:55
Speaker 6: they don't because obviously there's a cost implication in that.
47:59
Speaker 3: And so you.
48:00
Speaker 6: Know, we have we're at the meantime, we're dealing with
48:03
Speaker 6: the blocking out of the sun and that that that
48:06
Speaker 6: would be issue number one for me, and issue number
48:09
Speaker 6: two a close issue number two would be would be
48:12
Speaker 6: the pollution. You know, you say, you just look at
48:15
Speaker 6: flight red R twenty four and see the number of
48:17
Speaker 6: aircraft that are in the sky at any moment in time.
48:20
Speaker 6: Are we really saying that every one of those aircraft
48:23
Speaker 6: is part of a no organized spraying regime?
48:25
Speaker 3: This is I mean, it's just incredible.
48:27
Speaker 1: It's absurd.
48:28
Speaker 2: And I mean, when you go on a flight, it's
48:31
Speaker 2: a you Dubai and you have to climb to the
48:34
Speaker 2: bus that takes you to the airplane. Just have a
48:37
Speaker 2: look at the airplanes that you're getting past. Do any
48:39
Speaker 2: of those planes look like they've been equipped with devices
48:42
Speaker 2: for spraying? I've looked, well, and where.
48:45
Speaker 3: Where are they storing?
48:46
Speaker 6: Where are they storing all this liquid that they're going
48:48
Speaker 6: to spray anyway? You know, yeah, the time and then
48:51
Speaker 6: the people are on the plane, and the and the
48:53
Speaker 6: and the bags and what another on the plane. Most importantly,
48:56
Speaker 6: the fuel, hundreds of tons of fuel that are on
48:59
Speaker 6: the plane to fly across the Atlantic or to fly to.
49:01
Speaker 3: China or whatever. Where is this material that's going to
49:04
Speaker 3: be sprayed into the skies.
49:06
Speaker 2: And the pilots would have to activate some switch or something.
49:10
Speaker 2: I mean, the whole thing becomes very hollywood esque.
49:12
Speaker 6: Well no, no, that that that bit is easy to
49:15
Speaker 6: deal with, and you know that that could be an
49:17
Speaker 6: automated system. But that's neither are there where where is
49:21
Speaker 6: where is the product that you're actually spraying?
49:23
Speaker 3: It's not, it's not on an airliner.
49:25
Speaker 2: And another thing is airplanes fly above us. You can
49:29
Speaker 2: look through binoculars or a telescope and you can zoom
49:32
Speaker 2: in and have a look at the aeroplane and you
49:34
Speaker 2: can see I mean people can can supposedly zoom into
49:37
Speaker 2: the moon, right, So you can of course zoom into
49:39
Speaker 2: an airplane to some degree, and you can have a
49:41
Speaker 2: look and see where that trail.
49:44
Speaker 1: Is coming from.
49:44
Speaker 2: You could also follow, if you really wanted to, you
49:47
Speaker 2: could follow that aeroplane or find out where it's landing
49:49
Speaker 2: and actually go and see the airplane yourself at the airport.
49:53
Speaker 1: But nobody does that. They just take photographs of their
49:55
Speaker 1: cell phones and then moan on social media.
49:58
Speaker 6: Yeah they should be on social media, but not about that.
50:01
Speaker 6: There should be moaning about the pollution and the other
50:03
Speaker 6: The other thing about this.
50:05
Speaker 3: The other thing about this is is.
50:07
Speaker 6: You know, if you want to deal with the problem,
50:12
Speaker 6: you've got to think strategically about how you're going to
50:15
Speaker 6: run a campaign, and and part of that, of course
50:19
Speaker 6: is engagement with people. And so the story that you
50:24
Speaker 6: tell around it, it doesn't have to you don't have
50:25
Speaker 6: to be telling lies, because the fact of the matter
50:28
Speaker 6: is that whether it is intentional spraying or not, it's
50:32
Speaker 6: still pollution. But pollution is something that the majority of
50:36
Speaker 6: people can get on board with dealing with pollution, and
50:39
Speaker 6: a campaign built around that idea is going to gain
50:43
Speaker 6: much more attraction than somebody going full hog suggesting that
50:48
Speaker 6: they are able to kill us all in our beds,
50:51
Speaker 6: you know. And if so, if you're actually wanting to
50:53
Speaker 6: get stopped, you've got to learn a bit about marketing
50:57
Speaker 6: and how you how you engage with people. Because because
51:00
Speaker 6: the whole chemtrial narrative is a feel on that score.
51:05
Speaker 1: What he does is he looks at the nuance.
51:08
Speaker 2: He looks at the government official narrative, which is that
51:11
Speaker 2: it's just water vapor, which is false. And he looks
51:14
Speaker 2: at the chemtrail narrative, which and he says that and
51:16
Speaker 2: this is also a very very good point that he
51:18
Speaker 2: brings up. He says, the language, the language, it stops
51:21
Speaker 2: people from going beyond a certain point at blocks discussion.
51:26
Speaker 1: So you say kim trail or you said the engineering.
51:28
Speaker 2: In that set, that's like saying flat earth or virus,
51:31
Speaker 2: and then it's like a trigger word.
51:33
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, well, I think that's the bit that I
51:36
Speaker 5: would like to deal with. I suppose, although I would
51:40
Speaker 5: just make one point on the yes, I mean exactly
51:44
Speaker 5: like you say the scale, I mean, anyone and Jem
51:48
Speaker 5: you will be well qualified to talk about this bit.
51:51
Speaker 5: But really, I think part of the reason this has
51:54
Speaker 5: become such a prevalent concern for a group of people
51:58
Speaker 5: in the United Kingdom is that there are so many
52:02
Speaker 5: airports in quite a small land mass, and therefore there
52:06
Speaker 5: are flights covering a large part of the airspace that
52:10
Speaker 5: people have visibility of if you go anywhere that that
52:15
Speaker 5: is not the case. There is no evidence, visible evidence
52:20
Speaker 5: at all that this is an issue.
52:21
Speaker 4: I mean the periods of taka in South Africa exactly.
52:24
Speaker 5: Yeah, So, I mean East Africa is a place I
52:27
Speaker 5: travel too fairly regularly. There is nothing you don't see anything,
52:31
Speaker 5: So this idea that it is some but it's just
52:34
Speaker 5: not spreaying those people child well this is it. Yeah,
52:37
Speaker 5: so I don't you know, but I don't want to
52:39
Speaker 5: be I don't I don't want to be facetious about it.
52:41
Speaker 5: But but honestly, just just run the logic through. If
52:44
Speaker 5: this really is a plan to you know, to destroy
52:47
Speaker 5: us all, to stop crops from growing or whatever, if
52:50
Speaker 5: that really is your belief, then then it's the plan
52:52
Speaker 5: is a total failure because there are vast majority of
52:55
Speaker 5: the world's food producing areas are absolutely not having the
52:59
Speaker 5: sun blocked. Small parts of busy Western Europe are, but
53:04
Speaker 5: are they really you know, the sort of a powerhouses
53:07
Speaker 5: of agricultural production, Well, not really anymore.
53:11
Speaker 4: That's part of it.
53:12
Speaker 5: The other part I would say, and I think I
53:13
Speaker 5: think we shouldn't ignore this, is that I absolutely do
53:17
Speaker 5: believe that conspiracy either does or has the potential to exist.
53:21
Speaker 5: And I think this has been I'm definitely other people
53:23
Speaker 5: have been onto it. But I think this has been
53:24
Speaker 5: very well articulated by a chap called Jim Lee. I
53:28
Speaker 5: don't know if James Ruguski referred to him, but Jim
53:31
Speaker 5: Lee has The only interview I've seen him do was
53:33
Speaker 5: with Adele big Tree, and what he talks about is
53:38
Speaker 5: exactly like Mike is saying. Is the deliberate or rather sorry,
53:43
Speaker 5: the other side of what you're saying, which is basically
53:45
Speaker 5: manipulating flight paths and altitude in order that when when
53:51
Speaker 5: the amospheric conditions are right, that that contrails are formed
53:55
Speaker 5: because there is this belief that well, you know, but
54:00
Speaker 5: they basically do affect whether all meteorological or climate climate conditions. Now,
54:06
Speaker 5: that is significant, but that again is absolutely not evidence
54:13
Speaker 5: of spraying. That is, that is a different thing. But
54:16
Speaker 5: that does shine a light on aviation authorities. I have
54:20
Speaker 5: specifically asked the United Kingdom civibl Aviation Authority about this,
54:26
Speaker 5: and I have had at denial that they are in
54:30
Speaker 5: any way able to control the altitude that flights operate
54:35
Speaker 5: at with regard to atmospheric conditions.
54:38
Speaker 6: Now, so just to just to make sure we're clear
54:41
Speaker 6: about this, the CIA would be absolutely right to say that, Charles,
54:46
Speaker 6: because international traffic control is at a different level. If
54:51
Speaker 6: you want to, if you want to, you want to
54:54
Speaker 6: ask the right person, then we can identify the right
54:57
Speaker 6: person for that. But but the CIA is probably not
54:59
Speaker 6: the body to ask that question.
55:01
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, actually, funny enough.
55:03
Speaker 5: Specifically, my inquiry was to do with with releasing balloons
55:07
Speaker 5: of sulfur dioxide, and the conversation then drifted towards the
55:11
Speaker 5: idea of aircraft. But yeah, as you say that, that
55:14
Speaker 5: would be worth following through. And then I think the
55:17
Speaker 5: other point, you know, because the title of your interview
55:19
Speaker 5: with James Ruguski was concerning whether it whether or not
55:21
Speaker 5: it was a sile, and I think it is very
55:24
Speaker 5: important to decide how to define what a stile actually is.
55:29
Speaker 5: And exactly like the way in which the COVID project unfolded,
55:35
Speaker 5: my view is that there was very little central control
55:40
Speaker 5: of the practical delivery of that plan. My view is
55:46
Speaker 5: that the COVID operation worked simply based on the media campaign,
55:51
Speaker 5: and that you sow the seed of doubt and you'd
55:54
Speaker 5: let everybody else do the work. And I can absolutely
55:57
Speaker 5: substantiate that by talking about all the responses of all
56:01
Speaker 5: the various organizations that I was involved with at that
56:04
Speaker 5: time when when the sort of start button was pressed,
56:07
Speaker 5: whether it be the church or a charity or businesses
56:10
Speaker 5: or whatever, that was all conducted by the people who
56:14
Speaker 5: were running those organizations, who had clearly been primed for
56:18
Speaker 5: it by years of you know, oh, well we've got
56:21
Speaker 5: to do this because we're caring and health and safety
56:23
Speaker 5: and everything else, and that that was what triggered people
56:26
Speaker 5: to say, yes, okay, well we must be responsible. We're
56:28
Speaker 5: all in it together, and that's why they all felt
56:30
Speaker 5: for it. So that's my view and the reason I
56:32
Speaker 5: mentioned that is the way that I view the SYOP
56:36
Speaker 5: is that to be designated as a SiO, as a
56:40
Speaker 5: psychological operation, it doesn't actually require the input from you know,
56:46
Speaker 5: a three letter agency as sort of a shady outfit.
56:49
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, beyond the.
56:51
Speaker 5: Fact that it's that it's not being dispelled, dismissed or
56:55
Speaker 5: suppressed because it effectively it generates a momentum of its owns.
56:59
Speaker 1: So but that's what what.
57:00
Speaker 2: Is sorry, but that's what that's what matisdismit's woken about
57:03
Speaker 2: back in the day.
57:04
Speaker 5: Okay, okay, well there, well, there we go. And then
57:07
Speaker 5: this is totally observable. I mean, look at if you
57:09
Speaker 5: look at the if you're a member of UK column,
57:11
Speaker 5: you look at the forum threads. Well, actually, because James
57:15
Speaker 5: is one has only been on very short space time
57:16
Speaker 5: that there's not been much response to it yet well,
57:19
Speaker 5: actually find enough. I did just look at the comments,
57:20
Speaker 5: and the first two comments on that thread are very
57:22
Speaker 5: positive about his take on the thing, so that that
57:25
Speaker 5: again is interesting. But the amount of energy and attention
57:31
Speaker 5: that these conversations draw is absolutely extraordinary compared with anything else.
57:37
Speaker 5: And the point of that is that in my book,
57:40
Speaker 5: that constitutes a psychology psychological operation because it totally distracts
57:45
Speaker 5: people from being able to think rationally about other things
57:48
Speaker 5: and to do anything, because this assumes control of the mind,
57:53
Speaker 5: and it is therefore a de facto psychological operation. And
57:56
Speaker 5: it doesn't actually matter if you if you want to
57:59
Speaker 5: sort of trace it by or sort of where did
58:01
Speaker 5: it start. I don't see that that's that that is relevant,
58:06
Speaker 5: that this is.
58:06
Speaker 3: Such an important point.
58:07
Speaker 6: And the question is, you know, the question of where
58:10
Speaker 6: people should be putting if we've got limited time for
58:13
Speaker 6: campaigning or for whatever it is, where should.
58:16
Speaker 3: We be putting our efforts.
58:18
Speaker 6: And let's just suspend our disbelief for a second and
58:20
Speaker 6: say that this is a massive spraying operation that's going on.
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Speaker 6: Is that killing us in the next six months, is
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Speaker 6: it killing us in the next year, is it killing
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Speaker 6: us in the next ten years, or is it killing
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Speaker 6: us in the next fifty years.
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Speaker 3: Let's say it's a.
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Speaker 6: Longer term Operation's what's happening to us in the meantime.
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Speaker 6: In the meantime, we are literally facing economic.
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Speaker 3: Disaster as a result of a war.
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Speaker 6: Agenda, because not only in the UK are we pumping
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Speaker 6: tens of billions of pounds into Ukraine, We're pumping tens
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Speaker 6: of billions of pounds into the efforts of Iran. This
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Speaker 6: is money that's all being stolen out of our pockets
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Speaker 6: through the tax man, also being still an out of
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Speaker 6: our pockets at the petrol pumps, and it's soon going
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Speaker 6: to be still an out of our pockets from the
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Speaker 6: energy companies and from the supermarkets. This is stuff which
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Speaker 6: is much more likely to kill us within the next
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Speaker 6: six months rather than the next sixty years. So where
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Speaker 6: should we be putting our effort And should we actually
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Speaker 6: be considering chemtrails as being even if we believe that
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Speaker 6: particular story, should that be our top priority or should
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Speaker 6: we be actually getting involved in something which is significantly
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Speaker 6: more immediate. And I think that's something that people have
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Speaker 6: got to consider as well.
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Speaker 2: Okay, well, we have today chatted about controlled up position topics,
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Speaker 2: and so I would encourage others to join us in
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Speaker 2: our controlled opposition by buying the UK Condumn first edition. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: but seriously, I really hope it does well. I think
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Speaker 2: it's I think it's a great idea, and I'm very
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Speaker 2: very honored to be part of it, and we're glad
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Speaker 2: to have.
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Speaker 3: You jam there we go.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, And I hope I'll have fiber next week,
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Speaker 2: but until then I'll catch up with you.
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Speaker 3: H m hm