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336-Carol Holesak: A Jewish Girl From Brighton Beach Who Met the Messiah · Stuck No More Voices

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  Theresa: A young Jewish girl in Brooklyn had no idea where her life was headed, not the hardship and definitely not the day she would meet Jesus.
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  Theresa: So pull up a chair for this one, The Calling Table Sessions.
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  Theresa: Welcome back to the Stuck No More Voices Podcast.
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  Theresa: I'm Theresa Croft.
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  Theresa: I'm a visibility, specialist who helps women go from their calling to their story to a message and a solution for their ideal client.
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  Theresa: Before we get going, let me just tell you a little bit more.
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  Theresa: This episode is, like, from the Stuck No More Voices Podcast, and God just told me to get some stories.
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  Theresa: So we call it the Calling Table Session.
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  Theresa: It's a seat, really, seriously.
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  Theresa: It's a seat to help Christian women have a safe place to tell their story, and to h- to handle that story with care.
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  Theresa: So, today at the table, will you help me welcome Carol Hulsaq.
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  Theresa: She's an author and a gifted mentor and, oh my goodness, she's got a story.
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  Theresa: Carol, thank you so much for joining us.
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  Carol: Theresa, are you talking about me?
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  Carol: That sounds wonderful.
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  Theresa: Don't you love it?
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  Theresa: I love that.
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  Theresa: Carol, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna mince around, girl.
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  Theresa: You've got Uh, has it recently been published, your book?
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  Carol: Couple of years now.
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  Theresa: Okay.
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  Theresa: So listen, guys, she's got a book.
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  Theresa: We'll talk about what you do, but I wanna, I wanna hear the, the background to this.
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  Theresa: She has a book, okay?
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  Theresa: And it's called Jesus, Jesus, Jesus: The Life Journey of a Jewish Girl Who Came to Know Jesus the Messiah.
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  Theresa: So can you take us back?
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  Theresa: What is it?
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  Theresa: Brooklyn, New York?
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  Theresa: Where did it all start?
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  Theresa: Give us a little bit of a background,'cause it's a fascinating story.
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  Carol: Theresa, you're fabulous yourself.
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  Carol: Aw.
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  Carol: And what's crazy is I just physically got back from New York about a week ago.
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  Carol: Oh,
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  Theresa: no
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  Carol: kidding.
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  Carol: But if we go to that, that part, we'll really get off track, so I'll start.
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  Carol: I was born In Brooklyn, New York-
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  Theresa: Okay
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  Carol: in a place called Brighton Beach.
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  Theresa: Oh.
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  Carol: And into a Jewish family, and in those days, I really thought the whole world was Jewish.
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  Carol: Uh, I barely got out of high school.
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  Carol: School wasn't my thing, but I loved walking that boardwalk in Brighton- Come on all the way to Coney Island to Nathan's Hot Dogs.
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  Carol: Come on.
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  Carol: I, I'd be a millionaire for every hot dog that I ate.
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  Carol: I love it.
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  Carol: And, um, and I grew up with three younger brothers.
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  Theresa: Okay.
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  Carol: And, um, I got married when I was, like, 19 to Jerry.
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  Carol: We met on the beach.
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  Carol: Okay.
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  Carol: I married good as gold Jerry, and unfortunately, my friends who's listening, sometimes life is hard, Jerry.
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  Theresa: Yeah.
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  Theresa: Yes.
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  Theresa: Yeah.
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  Carol: And I, I, um, experienced life very young, very hard.
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  Theresa: Okay.
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  Carol: I'm not gonna get into all of that now, but- That's
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  Theresa: fine
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  Carol: but you know what I have right here, just in case you're curious?
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  Carol: You see this, girl?
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  Carol: There it
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  Theresa: is.
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  Carol: There it is, and that's me on the beach in San Diego now.
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  Theresa: God.
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  Carol: So it's I'm gonna say the title.
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  Theresa: Say the title, Carol.
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  Carol: I'm gonna say it because the title says it all, and the title is Jesus Jesus
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  Theresa: Tamar
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  Carol: Jesus
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  Theresa: Ah.
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  Carol: The life journey, I love you, of a Jewish girl Who came to know Jesus, the Messiah
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  Theresa: And I will link it in the show notes,'cause you guys gotta get this.
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  Theresa: So you're, you- here you are in Brooklyn, New York, and life is hard.
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  Theresa: What was the turning point, as a Jewish girl, to find Jesus in the first place?
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  Carol: Well, I left Brooklyn because by the time I was 24, I had had three sons.
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  Carol: Okay.
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  Carol: And two of them had
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  Theresa: died.
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  Theresa: Oh, I'm so sorry.
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  Theresa: Wow.
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  Carol: And my mother died at 44.
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  Theresa: Oh.
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  Carol: And so by the time I was 24, I had experienced- heavy, heavy loss.
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  Theresa: Yes.
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  Carol: And I told good as gold Jerry,"I'm leaving," going over the Verrazzano Bridge,'cause I just couldn't stay anymore.
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  Carol: People would say,"Who's watching the baby, your mother?"
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  Theresa: Oh.
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  Carol: Oh.
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  Carol: So I needed to leave.
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  Carol: Yeah.
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  Carol: And, um, to make a long story short, we were gonna go to Fort Lauderdale.
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  Theresa: Right.
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  Carol: And then I saw about a place called Ocala, Florida, in the middle of nowhere.
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  Carol: I
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  Theresa: know where that is.
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  Carol: Right.
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  Carol: It was You know where it is?
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  Theresa: Yeah, I do.
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  Carol: Horse country and ranches.
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  Carol: Yeah.
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  Carol: And we stopped there for a while.
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  Carol: I divorced Jerry there for a while.
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  Theresa: Okay.
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  Carol: But the one thing I did do while I lived, um, in Ocala, divorced Jerry, was supposed to get married to someone else on a 500 acre ranch on seven And I see Oh, I'm not gonna tell this,'cause that's your secret.
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  Carol: But on the ranch, uh, uh, the date of getting married was 7/7/77- Oh at 7:00.
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  Theresa: Oh.
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  Carol: So, but when he started beating me up-
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  Theresa: Oh
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  Carol: I figured, I don't think that's gonna be a good marriage either.
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  Theresa: Yeah.
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  Carol: So by this point, my first husband went to Fort Lauderdale from Ocala, and I went there with And I have one son, Eric- Okay my first son, who's doing well.
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  Carol: Good.
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  Carol: Did have a life-threatening accident in Ocala.
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  Carol: Oh.
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  Carol: That he's alive is a miracle, but I'm- Thank God not gonna get into that now.
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  Theresa: Yeah.
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  Carol: Praise the Lord.
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  Carol: But I will say this, I never knew from Jesus, but my son was almost killed, and a pastor came to pray at this church in Ocala-
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  Theresa: Okay
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  Carol: for seven hours.
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  Carol: Wow.
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  Carol: And I do believe that's why my son is alive today at- Wow at 37 years old.
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  Theresa: Yeah.
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  Carol: So I hope people aren't getting confused.
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  Carol: So anyway, I went and left Ocala, didn't marry that guy, and, um, stayed in But when I lived in Ocala on this ranch-
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  Theresa: Yeah uh,
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  Carol: I did go to beauty school.
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  Carol: Because who's ever listening, we need to be able as women to take care of ourselves and not have the attitude when depending on a man to support us.
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  Theresa: Okay.
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  Carol: So we gotta make a living.
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  Carol: I mean, you never know.
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  Carol: You
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  Theresa: know?
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  Theresa: I gotcha.
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  Carol: You got me.
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  Carol: So I did go to beauty school, and I barely got a license, and I moved to Fort Lauderdale.
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  Theresa: Okay.
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  Carol: When I'm One thing I did do when I moved to, uh, Fort Lauderdale and Miami and that area, I asked,"Where's the most expensive haircut?"
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  Theresa: Wow.
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  Carol: And the most expensive haircut was in Miami Beach, and that was the year, um, Sassoon and precision cutting was coming out from London.
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  Carol: Okay.
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  Theresa: Okay.
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  Carol: And, um, I went to that hair salon, and they had, um, people from, uh, London come and train the stylists.
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  Carol: Okay.
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  Carol: So it was a very advanced, very precision, very So to make a long story short, one of the managers of one of the salons, I became his shampoo assistant.
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  Theresa: Okay.
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  Carol: And I was stoned all the time.
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  Carol: I have to tell the truth.
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  Carol: And, um, and I'm standing there.
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  Carol: I met the guy for the first time, and I asked him if he knew what he was doing.
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  Theresa: Wow.
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  Carol: I was.
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  Carol: So he stopped what he was doing and looked at me and said,"Excuse me.
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  Carol: Please stand there and be quiet."
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  Theresa: Whoa.
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  Carol: So anyway, this same guy who told me to be quiet, we wound up living together.
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  Carol: So now getting to answering your question, how did this Jewish girl-
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  Theresa: Yeah
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  Carol: from Brighton Beach in Brooklyn, New York, come to know Jesus as her Messiah?
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  Carol: Right.
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  Carol: I'm so glad you asked.
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  Carol: Boom.
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  Carol: Christmas 1978.
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  Theresa: Okay.
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  Carol: Client gives me- A gift
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  Theresa: Mm.
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  Carol: And it's a Bible Oh.
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  Carol: And she tells me to read the Book of John.
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  Theresa: Okay.
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  Carol: And so I'm living with my son Eric, who's about seven, and Lewis, my boyfriend, Lewis.
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  Carol: And I sit down, I was gonna throw it away, but, but God-
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  Theresa: But
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  Carol: God I just sat down to read it.
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  Carol: Okay.
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  Carol: And growing up in the Jewish traditions, I love celebrating the Jewish holidays.
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  Theresa: Mm,
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  Carol: yes.
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  Carol: And one of my most favorite is the Passover, growing up- Mm-hmm grandparents from Europe and that whole thing.
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  Carol: And when I read that Jesus and his disciples were Jewish just like me, I went-
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  Theresa: Yeah"Oh, this
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  Carol: is pretty cool" Oh,
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  Theresa: interesting.
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  Theresa: Yeah.
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  Theresa: Okay, yeah.
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  Carol: But then I read Jesus said,"I am the way, the truth, and the life."
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  Theresa: Mm.
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  Carol: And no one comes to the Father except-" Except
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  Theresa: through
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  Carol: me"by me."
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  Theresa: Wow.
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  Carol: A- and because of that reading of the Book of John, almost 40 years later, I am sitting here telling you that story.
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  Theresa: Yeah.
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  Theresa: And Jesus is your, your friend, your savior.
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  Theresa: Mm-hmm.
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  Theresa: You got a relationship with him.
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  Theresa: Wow.
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  Theresa: So you, you went to San Diego.
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  Theresa: What was that about?
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  Carol: Good question.
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  Carol: So here we are in Florida, and I realized it's a little hot and humid.
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  Carol: And my-- Lewis and I traveled honestly to Switzerland and to go to school in London- Okay and hiking.
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  Carol: Every And, and, and in Europe we keep hearing about San Diego, San Diego.
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  Theresa: Okay.
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  Carol: Wow, that sounds interesting.
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  Carol: And so when we got off the plane in September of 1985, we decided let's check San Diego out.
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  Carol: And in October of'85, it's quite a while ago, we flew in, got off the plane and said,"We're moving here."
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  Theresa: Wow.
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  Carol: Just by feeling the weather, the temperature.
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  Theresa: Yeah.
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  Carol: And I did, and I did love the mountains, the hillsides- Sure instead of flat.
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  Carol: It's every state is beautiful, but it worked for us.
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  Carol: And so in 1986 we got our hairdresser's license.
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  Carol: Oh, one, one thing that happened in Florida, we were living together.
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  Theresa: Right.
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  Carol: And, um, someone who thought we were married, uh, found out we weren't and said,"I think you guys need to get married." Okay.
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  Carol: And so we got married, and that's a whole story within itself.
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  Carol: Yeah.
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  Carol: So by the time we moved to San Diego, there was a working relationship with what the word of God says.
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  Theresa: Wow.
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  Theresa: And
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  Carol: I had, and I even had a woman say to me-
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  Theresa: Yeah
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  Carol: give me a book, The Holiness of Matrimony,'cause I told her I was a Christian living with Lewis.
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  Carol: Uh-huh.
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  Carol: And she didn't go for that.
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  Carol: Mm.
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  Carol: And the next day I get this book, The Holiness of Matrimony.
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  Carol: I read it and went, a light bulb went out.
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  Carol: I called Lewis at work.
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  Carol: Yeah.
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  Carol: I said,"Get out of the bedroom, honey.
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  Carol: We gotta change this whole setup."
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  Theresa: Wow.
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  Theresa: And
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  Carol: that was really It's, it's not a quick thing.
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  Carol: It's as God leads you, He's a patient God.
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  Carol: Yeah.
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  Carol: He's a loving God, and He just wants the best for us.
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  Theresa: Amen.
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  Carol: And so by the time we moved to San Diego, we had already an- established a relationship being obedient as best as we could in those times- Sure
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  Theresa: to the Lord and
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  Carol: God.
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  Carol: Sure.
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  Carol: And then, um, somebody invited me to a church called Horizon Christian Fellowship.
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  Theresa: Oh my gosh.
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  Theresa: I went.
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  Theresa: If, if you guys- I've been to that, I've been to that church
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  Carol: and you know Chuck Smith with the Jesus Revolution?
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  Carol: Yeah.
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  Carol: And there was a, there's a book and a movie out with Greg Laurie.
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  Carol: Yeah.
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  Carol: So I'm part of that whole world.
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  Theresa: Yeah.
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  Theresa: Yeah.
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  Carol: And so it's like, I was just speaking to my best friend that I met at that church, it'll be 40 years-
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  Theresa: Mm
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  Carol: This coming September I started
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  Theresa: Sweet.
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  Theresa: So now what, how did the School of Ev- of Evangelism fit in?
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  Theresa: Was it in San Diego?
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  Theresa: Did you-
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  Carol: Yes, Horizon School of Evangelism.
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  Carol: Okay.
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  Carol: They had a, a, a class that went on for two semesters.
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  Carol: Okay.
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  Carol: And, um, what's interesting, in my book, chapter four is called My Nervous Breakdown.
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  Theresa: Mm.
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  Carol: So I had become a Christian.
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  Theresa: Yeah.
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  Carol: And was studying the word, but life is life.
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  Carol: Yeah.
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  Carol: And one day my husband and I were walking in Shelter Island in San Diego.
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  Carol: Okay.
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  Carol: And he turned around, and I was in a fetal position in the grass.
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  Carol: Oh,
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  Theresa: wow.
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  Theresa: So
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  Carol: I had some issues that I What can I say?
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  Carol: Out of that time, I was already helping women.
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  Carol: I love women.
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  Carol: I love communicating.
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  Carol: I love being quiet.
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  Carol: I love when the Holy Spirit does His thing.
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  Theresa: Amen,
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  Carol: girl.
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  Carol: You know, you just show up and listen.
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  Carol: Uh, and I knew that even through that dark, hard-
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  Theresa: Yeah,
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  Carol: yeah hard season, that I was growing to get a master's in, in human life.
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  Carol: Mm.
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  Carol: Without going to school, just by what I experienced.
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  Carol: Sure,
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  Theresa: sure.
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  Carol: Back to the School of E.
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  Carol: The purpose of the School of E happened right after I was doing better after a few years with this- Okay nervous breakdown.
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  Theresa: Okay.
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  Carol: And the purpose of the School of E was to equip you to go out, share the good news of the Lord, and have a ministry in li- in, in mind.
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  Theresa: Right.
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  Carol: And so I got a phone call from this mother and daughter that I had been helping, speaking.
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  Carol: I don't I You know, I, I told my husband,"I don't know what I'm considered." So I think I'm What, if you wanted to give me a title, just call me a personality.
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  Carol: You know what I mean?
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  Carol: I'm not a big author, I'm not a big writer.
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  Theresa: I love this.
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  Carol: I'm not anything.
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  Carol: I'm just a personality.
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  Theresa: Personality.
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  Theresa: Come on, girl.
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  Carol: So, and so this mother calls while I'm praying.
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  Carol: Yeah.
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  Carol: I'm gonna cry.
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  Carol: She says to me,"Carol, knowing you is a changing point in my life." Wow.
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  Theresa: Oh, thank you, Jesus.
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  Carol: And for her and her daughter.
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  Theresa: Oh, beautiful.
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  Carol: And I went I was taking a shower.
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  Carol: I don't know why I hear stuff in the shower.
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  Carol: I
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  Theresa: don't know.
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  Theresa: I do too, so you're not alone.
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  Theresa: Do you
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  Carol: really?
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  Carol: All
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  Theresa: right.
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  Theresa: Yeah.
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  Theresa: It's a great download place.
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  Theresa: At least we know we're So
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  Carol: anyway.
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  Theresa: Yeah.
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  Carol: Uh, and you're adorable.
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  Carol: So anyway.
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  Theresa: You
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  Carol: are.
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  Carol: The name that came to me was Changing Point-
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  Theresa: Oh
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  Carol: for a Life of Life.
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  Carol: Jesus said,"I have come that they may have life." Yeah.
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  Carol: "And that they may have it more abundantly.
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  Carol: And Theresa, they are you." And they all meet
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  Theresa: Yeah
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  Carol: And out of that became a one-day, I got the goosebumps, a one-day seminar-
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  Theresa: Okay
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  Carol: of what the Lord showed me.
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  Carol: Uh-huh.
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  Carol: And then people would say,"Well, now what are we gonna do with all this stuff you're talking about?"
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  Theresa: Oh.
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  Carol: I said,"I don't know." Wow.
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  Carol: And then I prayed again, and then I heard a six-week journey towards healing.
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  Carol: Nice.
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  Theresa: That's good.
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  Carol: And that's what I did, and, um, and I became a very big nonprofit ministry that traveled around- Yeah to different places for many years.
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  Carol: And now, you know, I'm This is a long time ago.
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  Carol: It's not a nonprofit, but God told me about three years ago,"Get that workbook out of the closet.
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  Carol: You're gonna do it again."
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  Theresa: That's good.
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  Theresa: That's brave.
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  Theresa: And now I
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  Carol: But I needed a new name, so the new name is A Deep Change, because even ladies and friends and men- Deep
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  Theresa: Change
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  Carol: We are a Christian, and we are walking with the Lord as best we can.
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  Carol: Life is hard at times.
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  Theresa: Yeah, sure it is.
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  And,
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  Carol: and, um, as much as I've grown, I felt I needed a deeper change.
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  Carol: Mm-hmm.
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  Carol: Not with what anyone could see, but within- Right my own head.
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  Carol: Yeah.
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  Carol: That mind- Sure drive us nuts.
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  Carol: Yeah.
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  Carol: And so I wanted a deeper relationship with the Lord, and behold, the scripture that came to me is,"I'm gonna do a new thing.
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  Carol: Don't you know it?"
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  Theresa: You may, man.
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  Theresa: Come on
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  Carol: now.
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  Carol: Isaiah.
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  Carol: And so that- Preach it so that became the new thing, and God brought me a woman, and she retyped it and made it.
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  Carol: Okay.
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  Carol: And now, and, and so, which brings me, I'm gonna come quickly,'cause we don't have all day, um, quickly to three years ago.
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  Theresa: Okay.
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  Carol: Doing this ministry for 30 years, every time I shared my testimony, people would say to me,"Carol, you need to write a book about your life." Yeah.
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  Carol: And I'd go,"Right.
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  Carol: I don't think so."
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  Theresa: I understand.
• 16:34
  Carol: But on March 2023-
• 16:37
  Theresa: Okay
• 16:38
  Carol: I felt the Lord said,"Start writing."
• 16:40
  Theresa: Wow.
• 16:40
  Carol: And I put worship music on at night and started typing, and that's how this latest book, uh- Nice came about.
• 16:48
  Carol: And because of that, I got on Facebook.
• 16:51
  Carol: Yeah.
• 16:51
  Carol: I was not on Facebook.
• 16:52
  Theresa: Okay.
• 16:53
  Theresa: Okay.
• 16:53
  Carol: And I felt I had a purpose-
• 16:55
  Theresa: Yeah
• 16:56
  Carol: for people to get to know me.
• 16:57
  Theresa: Sure.
• 16:58
  Carol: And I stepped out on faith.
• 16:59
  Theresa: Yeah.
• 17:00
  Carol: And so that's a few years ago, and that's how we met.
• 17:02
  Carol: That's how I met- Right so many wonderful women- Yeah all over the world that have a heart.
• 17:08
  Theresa: Yeah.
• 17:09
  Carol: And, and we wanna love each other and- Right encourage each other on this side of heaven.
• 17:13
  Carol: And, uh-
• 17:14
  Theresa: So tell, tell me about Second Saturday Sisters.
• 17:18
  Carol: Ooh, I like you.
• 17:19
  Carol: You're a good plugger.
• 17:20
  Carol: Second Saturday Sisters is something I started about 10 years ago in my clubhouse.
• 17:26
  Carol: Nice.
• 17:26
  Carol: Really?
• 17:26
  Carol: Because I had a sound sensitivity, which I do, but it's much better.
• 17:30
  Carol: Okay.
• 17:30
  Carol: Where I didn't go out to church anymore- Sure'cause it's too noisy.
• 17:34
  Theresa: Yeah.
• 17:34
  Carol: And so I said,"Lord, I need something." Mm.
• 17:37
  Carol: And on second Saturday of the month, I picked someone to do a Bible study and do worship, but I had carpeting, and I could control the volume of the noise, and women came to that.
• 17:48
  Theresa: Wow.
• 17:48
  Carol: And then when COVID shut down the world, a lot of these friends moved to around the country from California.
• 17:54
  Theresa: Yeah.
• 17:54
  Carol: And another friend said,"You know, why don't you do it on Zoom?"
• 17:57
  Theresa: Yeah.
• 17:58
  Carol: The second Saturday- of every month, and the second Saturday of this month is coming up.
• 18:04
  Theresa: Ah.
• 18:04
  Carol: So if anybody's interested, please- Yeah figure out how to get in touch with me.
• 18:09
  Carol: I'd love to invite you.
• 18:10
  Theresa: Yeah.
• 18:11
  Carol: I have, I have Donna Luetken speaking, a great teacher, and her message is, Oh for the Love of God.
• 18:18
  Theresa: Mm.
• 18:18
  Carol: And so s- sweet women that have been teaching and serving the Lord.
• 18:21
  Carol: Yeah.
• 18:22
  Carol: That's- So that's second Saturday on Zoom for anybody.
• 18:25
  Carol: Um- That's
• 18:26
  Theresa: Now, what's the name of your ministry now?
• 18:29
  Carol: A deep change
• 18:30
  Theresa: It is a deep change.
• 18:31
  Theresa: Okay.
• 18:31
  Theresa: Yes.
• 18:31
  Theresa: It used to be something else, but now it's- 1844
• 18:34
  Carol: Revival
• 18:34
  Theresa: Yeah, okay.
• 18:35
  Theresa: I got that confused.
• 18:35
  Theresa: That's when
• 18:36
  Carol: it was non-profit.
• 18:37
  Carol: But when the Lord said do it again.
• 18:39
  Carol: But it's different now.
• 18:40
  Carol: I don't have the big team.
• 18:41
  Carol: It's word of mouth.
• 18:42
  Theresa: Yeah.
• 18:42
  Carol: And I've been doing it with women all over the country.
• 18:45
  Carol: Yeah.
• 18:45
  Carol: I don't charge.
• 18:46
  Theresa: Wow.
• 18:47
  Theresa: That's sweet.
• 18:47
  Theresa: It's just, you need a-
• 18:47
  Carol: That's very nice women, nah, people need a place to be.
• 18:52
  Theresa: Yeah.
• 18:53
  Carol: Where they feel they could be safe.
• 18:55
  Theresa: Sure.
• 18:55
  Carol: And they could come.
• 18:56
  Carol: That was my song years ago.
• 18:58
  Carol: Come just as you are.
• 18:59
  Theresa: Yeah.
• 19:00
  Carol: And, um, and see what God can do in your life.
• 19:03
  Carol: That's
• 19:03
  Theresa: good.
• 19:04
  Theresa: Really good.
• 19:05
  Carol: So I said- I
• 19:06
  Theresa: have a- Go ahead
• 19:06
  Carol: the only thing I know how to say in Spanish is this.
• 19:09
  Carol: Yeah.
• 19:09
  Carol: You ready?
• 19:10
  Theresa: Yeah.
• 19:11
  Carol: Siempre hay esperanza en Jesús.
• 19:16
  Carol: There is always hope.
• 19:19
  Theresa: Mm.
• 19:21
  Theresa: That's, that's just a beautiful, that's so beautiful.
• 19:24
  Theresa: Woo, girl.
• 19:27
  Theresa: I, I am kind of speechless because there is so much Your story has so many layers to it.
• 19:35
  Theresa: And you know what I see in each layer?
• 19:38
  Theresa: I see, I see God's glory.
• 19:40
  Theresa: I see a woman who found Jesus and made it work.
• 19:45
  Theresa: I mean, you're right, life is not easy, girl.
• 19:47
  Theresa: I don't know where I'd be if I didn't have a relationship with God.
• 19:50
  Theresa: I had 26 years of being married to a very abusive man.
• 19:55
  Theresa: And I didn't know what the na- it was narcissist about, but I found out.
• 19:59
  Theresa: So what you give me hope is the reality, and someone listening needs to hear this.
• 20:04
  Theresa: No matter how difficult life is, the reality of having a relationship with Jesus.
• 20:11
  Theresa: And that's what your life is exemplifying.
• 20:13
  Theresa: The, uh, and, uh, and you've had just as much hard stuff go on than anyone, maybe more.
• 20:19
  Theresa: But you got, you got joy, girl.
• 20:23
  Carol: I have the Lord, and what's interesting is I'm writing my second book now.
• 20:27
  Theresa: Okay, what's it called?
• 20:29
  Carol: You know, that it'll be the first that it's announced, so I'm going to say it right here and now.
• 20:34
  Theresa: Drum roll.
• 20:34
  Carol: Uh, all right.
• 20:36
  Carol: The name of my second book that I'm working on is Back to Brooklyn, Born Again.
• 20:42
  Theresa: Oh.
• 20:43
  Theresa: Oh, what a great title.
• 20:45
  Theresa: Oh, you're gonna have to, you're gonna have to email me when that gets released, girl.
• 20:49
  Carol: Yeah.
• 20:49
  Theresa: Yeah.
• 20:50
  Carol: And, and it started with Pastor Mike McIntosh, um, from the Calvary Chapels in Horizon.
• 20:57
  Carol: Yeah.
• 20:57
  Carol: The original pastor in his 80s.
• 20:59
  Carol: In 9/11 he went with 1,500 people, which it's gonna be the 25th anniversary.
• 21:05
  Theresa: Okay.
• 21:06
  Carol: And he, he has a heart for the country for prayer.
• 21:09
  Theresa: Yeah.
• 21:09
  Carol: And he has a United States prayer group.
• 21:12
  Carol: Okay.
• 21:13
  Carol: And he invited people to New York City 2026.
• 21:16
  Carol: Oh, okay.
• 21:17
  Carol: And when I saw that four months ago- Yeah and I saw New York City 2026-
• 21:22
  Theresa: Yeah
• 21:22
  Carol: what came to my mind immediately was Back to Brooklyn.
• 21:27
  Theresa: Yeah.
• 21:27
  Theresa: Um- Wow
• 21:29
  Carol: and I just got back-
• 21:30
  Theresa: Wow
• 21:31
  Carol: last week.
• 21:32
  Theresa: Yeah.
• 21:33
  Theresa: You know- Yeah uh, I'm very fascinated.
• 21:35
  Theresa: I was living in San Diego after I graduated from college, so that was probably'86,'87,'88.
• 21:44
  Theresa: But I went to Horizon.
• 21:47
  Theresa: Uh, yeah.
• 21:48
  Theresa: And, uh, great Bible teaching and, uh, then, you know, my life then
• 21:53
  Carol: was a- Where did you go, where did you go to college?
• 21:55
  Theresa: I went, I was All-American at the University of New Mexico golfer, then I turned pro.
• 22:00
  Theresa: And when I lived in San Diego, I was just starting on the mini tours, and I, I wa- I was hunger, hungry for a church, and I found Horizon.
• 22:09
  Theresa: And as long as I was in that area- Get out of town.
• 22:12
  Theresa: Got, got baptized- And it was, the sea was- in the ocean.
• 22:15
  Theresa: I thought, oh, I've already been baptized.
• 22:17
  Theresa: I got baptized in the ocean there.
• 22:19
  Theresa: So I have great memories.
• 22:20
  Theresa: Get out
• 22:20
  Carol: of town.
• 22:21
  Theresa: Yeah, San Diego.
• 22:22
  Theresa: '86?
• 22:23
  Theresa: '86, yeah.
• 22:24
  Theresa: I, I turned pro, and I eventually started traveling so I never really came back.
• 22:29
  Theresa: But, um, good memories.
• 22:31
  Theresa: Get out.
• 22:31
  Theresa: Yeah, when you came back- I'm trying to think of the pastor's name.
• 22:35
  Theresa: I can't remember it, but I know- Mike McIntosh.
• 22:38
  Theresa: Say again?
• 22:39
  Carol: Mike...
• 22:39
  Carol: Well, he, you know, he traveled a lot.
• 22:41
  Carol: He's really an evangelist, but he had other pastors.
• 22:44
  Theresa: Say the name again.
• 22:46
  Carol: Mike McIntosh.
• 22:46
  Carol: Yeah.
• 22:47
  Carol: Mike McIntosh is the head, uh, is the head pastor.
• 22:49
  Carol: Yeah, that
• 22:50
  Theresa: sounds-
• 22:50
  Carol: But they have had other pastors.
• 22:52
  Carol: I started in, there in about'88.
• 22:54
  Theresa: That's just
• 22:55
  Carol: amazing'68, whatever.
• 22:56
  Carol: I-
• 22:57
  Theresa: I love it.
• 22:58
  Theresa: But, you know, I love to hear that because sometimes I lose, I'm gonna be vulnerable, sometimes I lose faith in church because of religion.
• 23:08
  Theresa: I just- I get it.
• 23:09
  Theresa: I get it the control and r- and, you know, this day and age when they're revealing all these, you know, scandals and stuff, I'm just like, God, I don't, I, I desire community.
• 23:18
  Theresa: That's why I'm so excited about your Second Saturday Sisters.
• 23:21
  Theresa: I think- Well, I hope you come.
• 23:23
  Theresa: Are you gonna come?
• 23:23
  Theresa: Okay.
• 23:23
  Theresa: I, I think, uh, if I'm not working.
• 23:26
  Theresa: It's
• 23:26
  Carol: 11:00 o'clock San Diego time.
• 23:28
  Carol: Where are you?
• 23:29
  Theresa: I'm in the Eastern Time.
• 23:30
  Theresa: I work on Saturdays.
• 23:31
  Theresa: I'm sorry.
• 23:31
  Theresa: I work at a r- I'm, I'm a part-time radio announcer, too.
• 23:35
  Theresa: But, uh, I'm g- I just believe- Oh this is what I believe.
• 23:39
  Theresa: Pete, someone, like you can throw a rock at me.
• 23:41
  Theresa: I just believe God thought of Zoom however many years ago.
• 23:46
  Theresa: Because if you think about it, my best friends live in Vancouver and Texas, but they're not far because of Zoom, you know?
• 23:53
  Theresa: And I just, the, the world's changing, but I think what's great about your story is there's so much hope.
• 23:59
  Theresa: I mean, your stories, uh, y- y- you know, you have more than one story, but I really believe that as we, as we share our stories, it's like Revelation, they overcame him by the blood of the lamb and the word of our testimony.
• 24:13
  Theresa: You'd think the blood of the lamb, that would be enough, but God says,"No, I want you to carry the story.
• 24:18
  Theresa: I want you to carry the testimony." And that's what I hear just coming out of you, girl.
• 24:23
  Theresa: It's so beautiful.
• 24:24
  Theresa: You
• 24:24
  Carol: know, at the end of the day- Yeah that's one of the chapters in my book.
• 24:28
  Carol: At the end of the day, it's not about anything, it's only about your relationship-
• 24:34
  Theresa: Yeah
• 24:35
  Carol: with God at the end of the day.
• 24:36
  Carol: Yeah.
• 24:36
  Carol: People will disappoint us.
• 24:38
  Carol: We will disappoint other people.
• 24:40
  Theresa: Yeah.
• 24:40
  Carol: But God is faithful.
• 24:42
  Theresa: So good.
• 24:43
  Theresa: So good.
• 24:43
  Theresa: So I, I have a feeling someone's listening right now, or watching, and they think, you're so anointed, so I'm, that's why I'm saying this.
• 24:50
  Theresa: They're thinking, how, how did she get through all that?
• 24:54
  Theresa: How, how did she start to write a book?
• 24:56
  Theresa: H- how did she do that?
• 24:58
  Theresa: Do you have, like, an answer for her?
• 25:04
  Carol: Jesus.
• 25:06
  Carol: Jesus Jesus
• 25:09
  Theresa: Such good
• 25:10
  Carol: And God brought me some wonderful women friends
• 25:15
  Theresa: Yes
• 25:15
  Carol: Cause I don't care what I look like on the outside, but I can be a little bit neurotic, believe it or not Yeah.
• 25:22
  Carol: You don't have, you don't have a nervous breakdown for nothing.
• 25:24
  Carol: Oh.
• 25:25
  Theresa: And so- You had good friends
• 25:28
  Carol: And, and that's what I, this is why I'm here.
• 25:31
  Theresa: Yeah.
• 25:31
  Carol: I am available for anyone and anybody.
• 25:34
  Carol: So good.
• 25:34
  Carol: I'm not gonna give my phone number out on, on this.
• 25:36
  Carol: Yeah But you can contact Carol Holzapfel on Facebook if you're on, or Theresa, and she can hook us up together
• 25:44
  Theresa: I, I will definitely leave the links.
• 25:46
  Theresa: You're also on, uh, Instagram@lovejoyhope3.
• 25:51
  Theresa: Little bit, yeah.
• 25:51
  Theresa: Yeah Uh, check her website out, frommyheart-2yours.org.
• 25:56
  Theresa: We'll put these in the show notes, too.
• 25:59
  Theresa: And you'll have to, uh, give me the details about the Second Saturday Sisters so I can include that.
• 26:05
  Theresa: 'Cause you know what?
• 26:06
  Theresa: When it's all said and done, people are hungry for friends.
• 26:09
  Theresa: Hungry.
• 26:09
  Theresa: They're
• 26:09
  Carol: hungry- I'm
• 26:10
  Theresa: hungry for the real thing, you know?
• 26:12
  Theresa: And I, I feel like a lot of my healing came after my husband passed and I got friends.
• 26:17
  Theresa: I didn't have to hide them.
• 26:18
  Theresa: And I think so much healing has come from being able to be me, but to have friends to, to, to walk up with you.
• 26:26
  Theresa: And listen, listen.
• 26:27
  Theresa: Someone's listening and they're like,"Well, I don't have friends." Well, let me give you a testimony.
• 26:31
  Theresa: I prayed since 2018.
• 26:34
  Theresa: I was married, and any time I had a friend it was shooed away.
• 26:37
  Theresa: But I prayed, uh, Psalm 15 in the Passion translation.
• 26:41
  Theresa: I just prayed it and prayed it, believing God would do it.
• 26:44
  Theresa: Now, I'm sorry it had to take for him to die, but God answered everything of Psalm 15 in the Passion.
• 26:51
  Theresa: Friends who keep commitments.
• 26:53
  Theresa: They're not talking about friends in that chapter.
• 26:54
  Theresa: That was just a chapter that touched me.
• 26:56
  Theresa: So Carol, we need to encourage women.
• 27:00
  Theresa: They need to maybe get out of their comfort zone, even if they go to a Zoom Second Saturday Sisters,'cause we need each other in this day.
• 27:07
  Carol: Yep.
• 27:07
  Carol: That's why we're here.
• 27:08
  Theresa: Yeah.
• 27:09
  Theresa: Amen.
• 27:10
  Theresa: We're here.
• 27:10
  Theresa: That's right.
• 27:10
  Theresa: That's why we're sharing.
• 27:12
  Carol: And just to let you know that there's always hope in Jesus, and God loves you.
• 27:15
  Carol: Mm.
• 27:15
  Carol: And if Theresa, after everything we're sharing, and we still, that's what we have to offer.
• 27:21
  Carol: It's real.
• 27:22
  Carol: When I took, when I reached out in faith to take this trip to New York City,
• 27:27
  Theresa: Yeah
• 27:27
  Carol: I haven't traveled from San Diego to New York in over 20 years- Wow because of health issues.
• 27:33
  Theresa: Right.
• 27:33
  Theresa: So
• 27:33
  Carol: I had a list of reasons, listen to me, guys, of not to go.
• 27:39
  Carol: But because I felt God called me to go, I had a lot of people praying for me.
• 27:46
  Carol: Wow.
• 27:46
  Carol: I mean praying for me.
• 27:47
  Carol: I mean praying for me.
• 27:49
  Carol: Wow.
• 27:50
  Carol: And as a result of their prayers and me being obedient, I had the time of my life.
• 27:56
  Theresa: That's great.
• 27:57
  Carol: You know, back on Coney Island eating those naked hotdogs.
• 27:59
  Carol: Oh.
• 28:00
  Carol: Yeah.
• 28:00
  Carol: In the Bronx, I even went to Yankee Stadium.
• 28:03
  Theresa: Oh,
• 28:04
  Carol: wow.
• 28:04
  Carol: But we went to pray with the people.
• 28:06
  Theresa: And tell them
• 28:07
  Carol: about Jesus
• 28:08
  Theresa: So good.
• 28:09
  Theresa: So good.
• 28:10
  Theresa: Well, please, y'all, I'm gonna, I'm gonna link her book Y'all- Yeah, I'm Southern, sorry.
• 28:16
  Theresa: Y'all go get her book.
• 28:18
  Theresa: Uh, find her on her, her website.
• 28:22
  Theresa: I'm gonna d- I'm gonna do, I'm gonna have this in the show notes, so you just scroll on down.
• 28:26
  Theresa: Carol, such a joy.
• 28:27
  Theresa: You just really just warm my heart.
• 28:30
  Theresa: Thank you so much for being you, and being just a precious, anointed woman of God.
• 28:36
  Theresa: I really appreciate you.
• 28:38
  Carol: Theresa, back to you, my
• 28:41
  Theresa: friend.
• 28:41
  Theresa: Thank you.
• 28:42
  Carol: You're sweet.
• 28:43
  Theresa: All right.
• 28:43
  Theresa: That is today, today's Calling Table session with Carol Holczak.
• 28:48
  Theresa: Now, listen, do two things.
• 28:50
  Theresa: Follow her.
• 28:51
  Theresa: Go down to the show notes, say hey to her.
• 28:55
  Theresa: Get her book, and then I want you to do something.
• 28:57
  Theresa: I want you to share this episode with a woman who came to mind while you were listening.
• 29:04
  Theresa: Some stories are not for scrolling past.
• 29:07
  Theresa: This is definitely one of them.
• 29:09
  Theresa: All right, I'm Theresa Croft for the Stuck No More Voices podcast.
• 29:12
  Theresa: I'll talk to you in the next episode.