Latest / Pit Talk / Moment Piastri flipped title fight & horror show has star close to exit!

Transcript

Moment Piastri flipped title fight & horror show has star close to exit! · Pit Talk

0:01
Speaker 1: Pit Talk brought to you by Shannon's.
0:03
Speaker 2: Cars are our passion, building, restoring or modifying.
0:08
Speaker 1: It's about making it our own.
0:10
Speaker 3: It's an obsession. Shannons know what it's worth.
0:14
Speaker 1: That's why the agreed value includes all your modifications.
0:17
Speaker 3: Get a quote online today.
0:19
Speaker 4: This is the moment, then, that we've all been waiting
0:21
Speaker 4: for for in a romax.
0:23
Speaker 1: Here comes Oscar Piastree, Lando Norris.
0:26
Speaker 4: They aren't playing hardball out there at the moment. Steve
0:29
Speaker 4: peverchool moment to twenty twenty four.
0:36
Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Pit Talk, brought to you by Shannon's.
0:39
Speaker 2: On this week's episode, Max Mustappen claims his third win
0:42
Speaker 2: of the season ahead of McLaren in a muddle over
0:45
Speaker 2: team orders with Lando Norris and Oscar Piastre, And we
0:48
Speaker 2: look back at the Murder GP round in Barcelona and
0:51
Speaker 2: ahead to this weekend's first and duro in the Supercars Championship.
0:55
Speaker 2: My name is Michael Lomonado. It's great to have your
0:57
Speaker 2: company and the company of my co host. Was he
0:59
Speaker 2: saying boo or Zach boo? Rounds at the podium ceremony.
1:02
Speaker 2: It's a math question. I'll say both.
1:05
Speaker 4: It's nice to spread nice to spread that that was
1:07
Speaker 4: quite an interesting little aside of many things that were
1:10
Speaker 4: interesting in the tail end of that Grand Prix that
1:12
Speaker 4: I'm sure we'll get to in the next half an hour.
1:14
Speaker 3: But I didn't quite see that coming.
1:15
Speaker 1: No, I was surprised by that.
1:16
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, we know that the crowd in
1:18
Speaker 2: Monsu is always partisan, but not normally about third party.
1:21
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, it's they had an opinion on everything. Piastre
1:25
Speaker 4: has good Italian surname, isn't it.
1:26
Speaker 2: I suppose though they assumed that he must have been
1:28
Speaker 2: your future Ferrari driver. I guess maybe you will be
1:31
Speaker 2: a little bit of a twist, I think. But of
1:33
Speaker 2: course that was after what became the unexpected climax of
1:37
Speaker 2: this Grand Prix, because despite very action packed first few laps,
1:40
Speaker 2: not too much happened in the middle of the Grand Prix,
1:42
Speaker 2: at least in terms of the lead battle, until the
1:45
Speaker 2: last ten or so laps when it came time for
1:47
Speaker 2: McLaren to make its pit stops for Norris and Piastre,
1:49
Speaker 2: and second and third pretty comfortable but uncompetitive, I suppose,
1:52
Speaker 2: second or third, non contested second and third and lo
1:55
Speaker 2: and behold, Norris ended up with a slow pit stop
1:57
Speaker 2: and behind Piastre and the contentious is and of course
2:00
Speaker 2: has been the talking point in the Formula One world
2:02
Speaker 2: for the last and Sprenk Corps so hours was that
2:04
Speaker 2: McLaren asked them to change back. The team justified afterwards
2:09
Speaker 2: this was about fairness, sporting fairness. Was a team mistake
2:12
Speaker 2: the drivers for on their accounts, of course unsurprising, I
2:17
Speaker 2: supposed toad the party line afterwards. That's been very much
2:20
Speaker 2: the story at McLaren all season. Look, let's just start.
2:24
Speaker 2: What was your reaction to it.
2:26
Speaker 4: I'd like to read a piece from a story that
2:29
Speaker 4: I read today from a bloke called Michael Lemanata from
2:32
Speaker 4: Fox sports dot Com that are you going to I'm
2:34
Speaker 4: going to read your own story back to you, because
2:36
Speaker 4: this sums it up quite nicely.
2:37
Speaker 3: Team orders are common in Formula One.
2:39
Speaker 4: Usually they take place when a following driver is clearly
2:42
Speaker 4: faster than the leader, or when they're on different strategies. Rare, However,
2:46
Speaker 4: does a team intervene on the grounds of natural justice?
2:49
Speaker 4: Rareer still does it happen when there's a championship on
2:51
Speaker 4: the line. It's ironic that McLaren's laudable efforts to be
2:54
Speaker 4: scrupulously fair in this championship battle risk the team itself
2:58
Speaker 4: becoming the chief source of controversy. So the reason, well,
3:03
Speaker 4: thank you, But to my mind, are we now starting
3:08
Speaker 4: to litigate over luck?
3:10
Speaker 3: Are we? And what can of worms?
3:13
Speaker 4: Have we just taken the lid off here if you're McLaren,
3:16
Speaker 4: because look, Lando Norris was, to use a Sky Sports word, robbed.
3:20
Speaker 4: He had a really unfortunate pit stop. Nothing to do
3:23
Speaker 4: with him, He did nothing wrong to start litigating the
3:28
Speaker 4: reversal of positions and the way we're going to allow
3:31
Speaker 4: these two to race based on luck? Where does this end?
3:36
Speaker 4: Is there a natural end point to this? Is the
3:38
Speaker 4: end point where they've won the Constructor's Championshi, which they'll
3:41
Speaker 4: do next round in Baku. Is the end where Max
3:44
Speaker 4: Vstappen is mathematically eliminated from title contention, and then only
3:48
Speaker 4: a McLaren can win the World Championship. So you can't
3:51
Speaker 4: justify decisions like this based on the fact that someone
3:53
Speaker 4: I was quite sneaking. If we don't do this properly,
3:56
Speaker 4: I just thought it was a massive overreach. And yes,
3:59
Speaker 4: Oscarpe has his championship lead by virtue of the fact
4:01
Speaker 4: that Lando Norris had a very unlucky engine failure in Zandfort.
4:05
Speaker 3: This was another piece of poor luck for Norris.
4:07
Speaker 4: But are we really going to start flipping drivers around
4:10
Speaker 4: based on fortune? And where does this actually stop? I mean,
4:13
Speaker 4: are we in a situation now where McLaren said, Oscar Piastri. Look,
4:18
Speaker 4: Norris had a D and F and lost eighteen points
4:20
Speaker 4: on a day where you won the Grand Prix at
4:21
Speaker 4: Zandvoort because of something that was out of his control.
4:24
Speaker 4: So we'd like you to also lose eighteen points at
4:27
Speaker 4: some point to make Where do we draw the line
4:28
Speaker 4: with this?
4:29
Speaker 1: Yeah?
4:29
Speaker 2: I think that for me is the interesting point, and
4:32
Speaker 2: I do think this is a more This is really
4:35
Speaker 2: an unusually nuanced situation in my opinion, at least because
4:40
Speaker 2: it's rare. I mean, every circumstance is when we one
4:42
Speaker 2: is different, right, every incident we ever analyze, they're very
4:45
Speaker 2: rarely that a tour arelike enough to say, well, you know,
4:48
Speaker 2: this is what should have been done, because it has
4:50
Speaker 2: been done. But I find this so interesting because in
4:54
Speaker 2: this circumstance you almost had your test tube experiment, right,
4:58
Speaker 2: These too cars virtually had no one else star racing
5:00
Speaker 2: against they happened to be roughly the same place on track.
5:03
Speaker 2: Two pit stops that were meant to be identical, exactly
5:05
Speaker 2: the same tis pretty much the same age two times
5:07
Speaker 2: it almost exactly as fast as one another, and you
5:10
Speaker 2: happen to get this poor like.
5:11
Speaker 1: So I kind of see that.
5:12
Speaker 2: But then there's that ethical element, I guess from the
5:15
Speaker 2: team's perspective, which is they made a mistake and interfere
5:18
Speaker 2: in the championship unexpectedly in a way they didn't want to.
5:21
Speaker 2: I thought it was interesting the way that I think
5:24
Speaker 2: it was Andrea stellar, if not as Oscar Piastre.
5:25
Speaker 1: Certainly you talked.
5:26
Speaker 2: About wanting to take the heat off the team members
5:29
Speaker 2: who were not the high profile athletes, which I also
5:33
Speaker 2: found kind of interesting. One album and I want to
5:36
Speaker 2: put to you though, I sort of think he has
5:37
Speaker 2: gone a little.
5:38
Speaker 1: Bit under the radar, and Pastri.
5:39
Speaker 2: Sort of alluded to this in his Sky Sports post
5:41
Speaker 2: raise interview, which I can see on the KO replay.
5:44
Speaker 2: He only alluded to it, so I guess it's sort
5:46
Speaker 2: of my interpretation, but he talked about if this had happened,
5:49
Speaker 2: because it's important to remember as well, the mechanics do
5:51
Speaker 2: pit stops a jointly from both garags right, and there's
5:55
Speaker 2: this weird that's the element of motorsport that's unusual. But
5:58
Speaker 2: the risk of creating a rift between in the garage
6:00
Speaker 2: its then starts to happen if a pitstop, because we
6:02
Speaker 2: don't know who was on that front left, we know
6:04
Speaker 2: whose garage was from was on that front left tire,
6:06
Speaker 2: the risk of a rift happening because the focus goes
6:09
Speaker 2: on the mechanics that made a mistake and influence the championship.
6:11
Speaker 1: I also thought was interesting. There are a lot of elements.
6:13
Speaker 2: I'm not necessarily saying I'm falling on either side of
6:15
Speaker 2: the Fenceyer, I do have a opinion, I suppose, but
6:18
Speaker 2: it changes a lot.
6:19
Speaker 1: I'd be surprised.
6:21
Speaker 2: But there's a lot that goes into this decision more
6:23
Speaker 2: than just while he was ahead before and now he's
6:26
Speaker 2: not and we should go back to it. And I
6:28
Speaker 2: found that kind of interesting the way Pastri summed it up.
6:30
Speaker 4: But you're talking about the human element. This is a
6:33
Speaker 4: human sport, Like if we want to take the human
6:34
Speaker 4: element out of it and the randoms, then why don't
6:37
Speaker 4: we just simulate all of this and not bother actually
6:39
Speaker 4: having a world championship at this point, let's just do
6:40
Speaker 4: it all on someone's laptop and let us know who.
6:42
Speaker 2: We watched that automated Racing League once and that wasn't
6:46
Speaker 2: very good.
6:47
Speaker 4: Right, So what was interesting to me is Piastre's reaction here.
6:54
Speaker 4: I actually thought he played this really really intelligently in
6:58
Speaker 4: that clearly he's not going to be happy with the
7:01
Speaker 4: outcome here. I thought he put the question out over
7:03
Speaker 4: the radio because you know that's going to be broadcast,
7:07
Speaker 4: and he has kept his powder dry here for two reasons. One,
7:10
Speaker 4: he has a thirty one point championship lead. Two, there's
7:13
Speaker 4: eight rounds to go. So if they're now going to
7:15
Speaker 4: start setting a precedent for we are going to treat
7:17
Speaker 4: these two drivers unscrupulously fairly the entire way through. This
7:21
Speaker 4: may pay Piastre back somewhere down the line if he
7:24
Speaker 4: actually needs it to be paid back. So to my mind,
7:27
Speaker 4: that's a card that he now has to play at
7:30
Speaker 4: a moment that he could deploy that for his own benefit.
7:34
Speaker 4: And McLaren are kind of boxed into a bit of
7:36
Speaker 4: a corner here because if he chooses to play this card,
7:39
Speaker 4: if he needs to play it, they can't very well,
7:41
Speaker 4: go back on what they've done in this instance, because
7:43
Speaker 4: that's going to unravel all of the good they're trying
7:45
Speaker 4: to do here by trying to make this as fair
7:47
Speaker 4: as possible. And so to my mind, I thought he
7:50
Speaker 4: handled it. Now, whether that was prerehearsed or in the
7:52
Speaker 4: moment or whatever, I actually thought that he handled it
7:54
Speaker 4: incredibly well, and that you can kick up a massive
7:57
Speaker 4: stink here and you go back through Formula one history
8:00
Speaker 4: and you can nominate ten drivers right now that would
8:02
Speaker 4: have thrown every toy they had out of the cot.
8:05
Speaker 3: But there's eight rounds to go. That's the key part
8:07
Speaker 3: for me.
8:07
Speaker 4: If this is happening with three rounds to go, it's
8:10
Speaker 4: a different response, even if the points gap is still
8:12
Speaker 4: the same. If there's three rounds left, then perhaps you
8:14
Speaker 4: go hang on a minute, No, no, no, that's not right.
8:17
Speaker 4: He's kept his power to drive for another day, and
8:19
Speaker 4: it's a card that he will be able to play
8:21
Speaker 4: at some point if he needs to. Now, whether that
8:24
Speaker 4: was intentional or not, I thought in the moment that
8:26
Speaker 4: was actually pretty savvy.
8:27
Speaker 1: Yeah.
8:28
Speaker 2: I like the idea, you know, we talked about it
8:30
Speaker 2: after the Dutch Grand Prix. Has got this big lead now,
8:32
Speaker 2: and we talked about, well, now he can start to
8:33
Speaker 2: play a little bit that numbers game. It doesn't have
8:36
Speaker 2: to be at one hundred percent all the time. I
8:38
Speaker 2: actually think in this instance it wasn't so much the
8:40
Speaker 2: equation saying well I don't necessarily need the three points.
8:43
Speaker 2: It felt to me like those three points have been
8:45
Speaker 2: cashed in for something else, yep, which is this political card.
8:48
Speaker 1: And it reminds me.
8:49
Speaker 2: And we talked about this after the British Grand Prix
8:51
Speaker 2: the way he responded after the penalty for the safety car,
8:53
Speaker 2: and he put the question out there, and he surely
8:55
Speaker 2: didn't expect a positive response from but he said, well,
8:57
Speaker 2: if you guys think the penalty was unfair, yep, why
9:00
Speaker 2: don't we just back and we'll.
9:01
Speaker 1: Go, we'll race again.
9:02
Speaker 2: Of course it wasn't going to happen, But then again
9:04
Speaker 2: I say, of course something similar ish happened this weekend
9:09
Speaker 2: ish part.
9:11
Speaker 1: But that's another little building block for.
9:13
Speaker 2: An argument he may need to make down the line,
9:16
Speaker 2: which I think is very interesting because if we take
9:18
Speaker 2: to the logical extension, the decision making mclarent appears to
9:21
Speaker 2: have made. It's worth emphasizing here as well, Andreas Stelle
9:24
Speaker 2: in particular, says, and I like the way he says
9:26
Speaker 2: it because I think it gets him out of some
9:28
Speaker 2: needing to answer some questions, and for what it's worth.
9:30
Speaker 1: I think he manages the team very well.
9:32
Speaker 2: I'm not being critical of him, but he talks about
9:34
Speaker 2: not rules but values and principles.
9:36
Speaker 1: And the great thing about values in principles is it's
9:38
Speaker 1: up to you to decide how they kind of it's
9:40
Speaker 1: not a hard and fast rule r.
9:42
Speaker 2: But these principles decided in Hungry as an example, I
9:46
Speaker 2: know we've already mentioned this, but that Lando Norris accidentally
9:49
Speaker 2: ending up on the fastest strategy and it was an accident,
9:51
Speaker 2: but that that was fair enough, and the penalty in
9:54
Speaker 2: Silicon was fair enough. Maybe going forward now, if we
9:58
Speaker 2: find ourselves in a similar situation, Patrick Piastri gets a
10:01
Speaker 2: great start leading the race. Norris is fifth, but he
10:03
Speaker 2: does the one stop whatever is the case, and ends
10:05
Speaker 2: up ahead.
10:06
Speaker 1: Piastre says, but he's on it.
10:08
Speaker 2: If you've given him a different strategy, you've affected the
10:11
Speaker 2: outcome of this race without my Because the other thing
10:14
Speaker 2: that I think is important distinction here is that Norris
10:16
Speaker 2: gave his permission to be pit second. Yes, And at
10:20
Speaker 2: that point, because he's the lead driver, he gets to
10:22
Speaker 2: control what happens. You can argue that that's kind of
10:24
Speaker 2: on him what happened subsequent to that, if he is
10:26
Speaker 2: a slow stop, it you see the control of that.
10:29
Speaker 4: Yeah.
10:29
Speaker 2: And so I think that this now, and this is
10:32
Speaker 2: the problem for McLaren going forward, because while I'm surprising
10:35
Speaker 2: if exactly this situation happened again, these drivers are so
10:38
Speaker 2: closely matched, and we know that at some races you
10:41
Speaker 2: do have other drivers in the mix, it's not inconceivable
10:44
Speaker 2: that a similar situation happens, in which case Piastre will say, well,
10:46
Speaker 2: hang on, now, we've got these these different understanding your fairness.
10:51
Speaker 4: The whole concept of having team orders based around luck
10:54
Speaker 4: is the thing that I don't necessarily like here.
10:56
Speaker 3: Now, the penalty Piastre he.
10:57
Speaker 4: Got at Sylvestone was very stiff, and you could argue
11:00
Speaker 4: whether it was just or not, but it was still
11:02
Speaker 4: an inverted Comma's mistake. He made a mistake and you
11:05
Speaker 4: pay the price for that mistake. So let's just have
11:08
Speaker 4: a hypothetical situation. Piastre comes in for his next PIC
11:11
Speaker 4: first pit stop in Baku in two weeks time and
11:14
Speaker 4: Asauber gets released in front of him in the pit
11:16
Speaker 4: lane and it's an unsay for release and Piastre has
11:17
Speaker 4: to check up and he loses one point seven seconds?
11:20
Speaker 4: Is the exits of pit lane? Like on the radio
11:23
Speaker 4: to Lando and Orlando, can you lose one point seven
11:26
Speaker 4: seconds on your next lap? Because Oscar's been unfairly compromised
11:29
Speaker 4: by someone else in the pits?
11:30
Speaker 3: What are we doing here?
11:31
Speaker 4: We're making this far too complicated, but I did want
11:34
Speaker 4: to We could do three hours on this. Let's not
11:38
Speaker 4: I want to get to a narrative that we're reading
11:41
Speaker 4: a lot through comments to anything that you're writing, and
11:44
Speaker 4: just in the general Australian sporting space this whole McClaren
11:48
Speaker 4: wants Norris to win the title, not Piastre narrative. Let's
11:52
Speaker 4: open more cancer worms here, because to my mind, we're
11:57
Speaker 4: kind of asking the wrong question here. Does McClaren expressly
12:01
Speaker 4: want this to happen?
12:02
Speaker 3: No?
12:02
Speaker 4: I don't think so. Is there some justification in McLaren
12:06
Speaker 4: preferring Lando Norris to be the driver that ends its
12:09
Speaker 4: World Championship rout? It's gone back since Lewis Hamilton. From
12:12
Speaker 4: a business point of view, yes, because they've invested a
12:15
Speaker 4: lot of time and a lot of money in Norris
12:17
Speaker 4: as he's come all the way through. He's a McLaren guy,
12:20
Speaker 4: through and through. McLaren swooped on Pastre because Alpine left
12:23
Speaker 4: a loophole open in Pastre's contract, and when Pastre signed
12:27
Speaker 4: with McLaren, we never thought we would be discussing a
12:29
Speaker 4: potential World championship push within three seasons. And I go
12:32
Speaker 4: back to this because I was right in the thick
12:34
Speaker 4: of covering this the last time it happened. It's the
12:36
Speaker 4: Weber vessel situation at Red Bull, and I dug out
12:39
Speaker 4: a quote from the Brazil twenty ten press conference that
12:42
Speaker 4: I remember really clearly. I think I wasn't supposed to
12:45
Speaker 4: be in the hunt at all, so maybe it's been
12:48
Speaker 4: quite inconvenient. And that's Mark Webber in the penultimate race
12:52
Speaker 4: of twenty ten. And if you're looking at it from
12:53
Speaker 4: McLaren's point of view, just as a return on investment,
12:56
Speaker 4: of course, you would prefer the person you've invested all
12:59
Speaker 4: this time, time and money and resource in to win
13:02
Speaker 4: the World Championship against basically anybody else. But if the
13:06
Speaker 4: outcome is to win the World championship. It makes sense
13:09
Speaker 4: that they might prefer it to be Norris, Am I
13:11
Speaker 4: wrong I.
13:13
Speaker 1: Say that argument.
13:13
Speaker 2: I was thinking similar the way that Mark would talk
13:16
Speaker 2: about not a direct favoritism in the team, although there
13:20
Speaker 2: were some instances of probably he probably couldn't, but talking
13:23
Speaker 2: about an emotional preference. It has an effect on decision making.
13:27
Speaker 2: I don't if that's there, McClaren, I don't think it's
13:29
Speaker 2: to the magnitude was at Red Bull continues to be
13:33
Speaker 2: in Red Bull. I don't think that that's there. I
13:36
Speaker 2: think there is a justification for that. I think there's
13:38
Speaker 2: also though McLaren and I can see in the decision
13:43
Speaker 2: making this weekend the idea that by making this team order,
13:46
Speaker 2: it actually takes everything away from the drivers and it's
13:48
Speaker 2: all about the team. It kind of protects the brands
13:51
Speaker 2: of both drivers.
13:52
Speaker 3: Right.
13:53
Speaker 2: You can't now say whatever happens at the end of
13:55
Speaker 2: the year, if it's decided by three points or whatever,
13:57
Speaker 2: the difference is that it had anything to do with
13:59
Speaker 2: Piastri getting an unfair advantage because the team accidentally prioritized
14:03
Speaker 2: him at the getting notice a slow stop, so you
14:05
Speaker 2: can also almost see the reverse here, and this goes
14:08
Speaker 2: back to that scrupulous lee fair approach they're taking, which
14:11
Speaker 2: is that one of them is going to win the championship.
14:14
Speaker 2: McLaren's going to get its first driver's champion since Lewis Hamilton's.
14:16
Speaker 1: Correct, right.
14:18
Speaker 2: But if the team has to absorb stress and reputational
14:22
Speaker 2: damage but not at the expense of the drivers, maybe
14:25
Speaker 2: that's preferable because as much as the team is the
14:27
Speaker 2: big show, and we talk about the team's number one
14:30
Speaker 2: in this year, when the team's going to win both titles,
14:32
Speaker 2: the talking point is going to be the driver that
14:34
Speaker 2: wins the title, not the fact that McLaren's won.
14:35
Speaker 4: Another champions I agree, but sometimes the right driver doesn't
14:38
Speaker 4: win the championship. Twenty sixteen, Nico Rosberg won the World
14:41
Speaker 4: Championship mostly because Lewis Hamilton blew up in Malaysia and
14:44
Speaker 4: that would have been you know, that was a stroke
14:46
Speaker 4: of bad light in twenty ten, as much as it
14:48
Speaker 4: was tough to take at the time for Australian fans.
14:50
Speaker 4: So basically, invest won the World Championship, and he won
14:52
Speaker 4: the World Championship because he went out and won the
14:53
Speaker 4: last race. But I will quick sixty second story time here, Yes,
14:58
Speaker 4: go I was there in Aberdabi and t and I
15:01
Speaker 4: remember having to fight my way through the Vettel celebration
15:05
Speaker 4: party in the Red Bull Hospitality to get to Webber.
15:08
Speaker 4: I was the only Australian journal that spoke to Mark
15:10
Speaker 4: that night, and there was a wake going on in
15:13
Speaker 4: one corner of the Red Bull Hospitality unit and the
15:17
Speaker 4: largest party of all time because it was their first
15:19
Speaker 4: World championship in twenty ten. But the emotional investment you
15:22
Speaker 4: talked about the whole night was trying to imagine what
15:26
Speaker 4: that would have been like if it had been reversed.
15:29
Speaker 4: And the older guy whose speed was inconvenient came in
15:33
Speaker 4: and he won the championship over the guy that they'd
15:35
Speaker 4: invested all the time and money and resource and emotion
15:38
Speaker 4: in now different ends of their career. Obviously, Vetel turned
15:41
Speaker 4: out to be a pretty damn good driver. Mark Webber
15:43
Speaker 4: was a very good driver, but not a world champion.
15:46
Speaker 4: But that comment about the inconvenient thing, I can't help.
15:48
Speaker 4: And of course the irony of all this is pastre
15:50
Speaker 4: is managed by Mark Webber. You know all the parallels
15:52
Speaker 4: fifteen years on, but you can't tell me that if
15:55
Speaker 4: McLaren had a preference as to who they would prefer
15:58
Speaker 4: win the World Championship hand on heart, Why would you
16:00
Speaker 4: prefer the person you've invested all this time and money,
16:03
Speaker 4: over all these years into they're going to win the
16:04
Speaker 4: World Championhip?
16:05
Speaker 3: Terrific? Are we making this far more complicated than it
16:08
Speaker 3: needs to be right now?
16:09
Speaker 1: Yeah? It will be not would be.
16:11
Speaker 2: Very interesting to see how it goes down after the
16:13
Speaker 2: championship has decided one way or another. Before he heard
16:16
Speaker 2: Zach Brown talk about the way they've asked both drivers,
16:19
Speaker 2: how that'd like to be dealt with after Abuy Darby
16:21
Speaker 2: giving one of them won't win it, That would be interesting.
16:24
Speaker 2: I want to put one question to you before we
16:26
Speaker 2: sort of wrap up the McLaren angle here, which is.
16:29
Speaker 1: The talking Have we got two and a half more
16:30
Speaker 1: hours on mcla We've got plenty of hour.
16:32
Speaker 2: We've got as long as you like go back to
16:34
Speaker 2: the audio only podcast after this is an extended edition.
16:37
Speaker 2: There's been some things made about the fact that Piastre
16:40
Speaker 2: very quickly acquiesced to the team order. There have been
16:43
Speaker 2: some opinions put out there that he's not ruthless enough
16:46
Speaker 2: for that. Asking the question whether or not an ax
16:49
Speaker 2: with staff on or Michael Schumacher or insert great champion here, Sena.
16:53
Speaker 1: Would have done the same that he did.
16:56
Speaker 2: I think that that's kind of interesting because the text
17:00
Speaker 2: of all of those drivers is very different to the
17:01
Speaker 2: context at McLaren. Yes, do you think there's a situation
17:04
Speaker 2: in which Oscar would have ignored that team all to
17:06
Speaker 2: though if it was for the victory, do you think.
17:07
Speaker 1: It would have been different?
17:10
Speaker 4: Not necessarily, because I think that the biggest number for
17:14
Speaker 4: me is the eight races to go in that he knows, say,
17:17
Speaker 4: if it was for the victory, he knows that he's
17:19
Speaker 4: winning the court of public opinion on that one, and
17:22
Speaker 4: he would still have a championship lead, so he becomes
17:25
Speaker 4: the winner. But if he doesn't win that race, if
17:27
Speaker 4: that's for the victory of that particular race, So to me,
17:30
Speaker 4: the number is not so much whether it's third to second,
17:33
Speaker 4: second to first. How many races are there left? And
17:37
Speaker 4: does he have the requisite ruthlessness to be able to
17:40
Speaker 4: do what he needs to do as we get closer
17:42
Speaker 4: to Abu Dhabi. I think if that needs to be deployed,
17:45
Speaker 4: it will come out. I just think eight races to go,
17:48
Speaker 4: it's a third of the season. Sorry, it's a long
17:53
Speaker 4: time to keep things at that emotional pitch, and I
17:57
Speaker 4: just thought the smart move. Yes, did he acquiesce a
17:59
Speaker 4: little bit too meekly perhaps in this instance, But I
18:02
Speaker 4: think you can't just say that without looking at the
18:04
Speaker 4: context of how many races there are to go and
18:06
Speaker 4: the way that Formula one operates these days. It's so
18:09
Speaker 4: much more open that you talked about Michael Schumacher and
18:12
Speaker 4: Maxims staff and they've never had a teammate that's been
18:15
Speaker 4: close to them in a World championship situation, so it's
18:17
Speaker 4: not a comparison in my mind. I just thought that
18:20
Speaker 4: I liked the way he played it, in that he
18:23
Speaker 4: brought himself some cards to play in the future if
18:26
Speaker 4: he needs to, and he can do that because he's
18:28
Speaker 4: in a position of advantage. He still has a thirty
18:30
Speaker 4: one point championship leak.
18:31
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's still enormous. I'm inclined to agree. I think
18:34
Speaker 2: the Piastre is smart enough that I'm willing to believe
18:37
Speaker 2: that in the lap or whatever amount of time he
18:39
Speaker 2: had to make that decision, he thought it through and
18:42
Speaker 2: decided that there was much more upside to having that
18:45
Speaker 2: card in his pocket than having the argument with the team,
18:47
Speaker 2: which he may have ended up losing by the end
18:49
Speaker 2: of the day, so anyway, they may have verbally beat
18:51
Speaker 2: him down from a position much like they did Norris
18:54
Speaker 2: in Hungary last year.
18:55
Speaker 3: And then what if you lose that for the remainder
18:56
Speaker 3: of the season. That's that's the bigger play here.
18:58
Speaker 2: And there and the greater difficulty after that if you
19:00
Speaker 2: ignore a team order at this point. With this advantage
19:03
Speaker 2: is that maybe the team then isn't one hundred percent
19:05
Speaker 2: on your side in the way they were, or when
19:07
Speaker 2: you do need you know, think about Azerbaijan last year,
19:09
Speaker 2: where Norris did help him win the Grand Prix by
19:12
Speaker 2: signing down Sergio Perry's Maybe that wouldn't happen and there
19:15
Speaker 2: is precedent for that to be required considering. Something we
19:17
Speaker 2: haven't talked about is the fact that Piastre was asked
19:20
Speaker 2: to help Norris make it through to Q three yes
19:22
Speaker 2: this weekend, which I think is also quietly remarkable. I
19:25
Speaker 2: understand the team interest argument better there because it's in
19:30
Speaker 2: the teams interest to how I guess both.
19:31
Speaker 1: Drivers in Q three.
19:32
Speaker 2: I kind of get that, but that is an understatedly
19:36
Speaker 2: remarkable thing to ask a title rival to do.
19:39
Speaker 4: Also, if you're Lando Norris and you're in a McLaren,
19:41
Speaker 4: why don't need any help getting into Q three?
19:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, I think that question is there so
19:45
Speaker 2: in the unlikely event, because Piastre has been much less
19:48
Speaker 2: of a position to require the help of his teammate
19:50
Speaker 2: this year. But we can't say that won't be needed.
19:52
Speaker 2: Well you left out one keyword yet, yes, exactly, And
19:55
Speaker 2: like I say, Azbaijan last year, that was it could
19:57
Speaker 2: happen again. It feels like a bit of a pastre.
20:00
Speaker 2: It's gonna be really interesting to see how this plays out.
20:02
Speaker 2: It's not really about I thought by now we'd be
20:04
Speaker 2: talking about a flashpoint and some tension. Weirdly, it's not
20:07
Speaker 2: about that. It's about the corner McLaren is built for
20:10
Speaker 2: itself and then backed itself into it. That is going
20:13
Speaker 2: to be really interesting to see how it unfolds over
20:16
Speaker 2: the next eight races. But that was a fascinating way
20:19
Speaker 2: to end the European season.
20:20
Speaker 3: I thought it was soul.
20:21
Speaker 4: We also just mention that Max for Steppen won the
20:23
Speaker 4: Girl Prix. I said at the time, we're into it.
20:26
Speaker 4: It's not twenty twenty three all over. It yes, it
20:28
Speaker 4: really was that kind of race. Actually third only third
20:31
Speaker 4: Women of the year worth reflecting ones in Italy.
20:33
Speaker 2: Good for him, indeed, an Italian race engineer, great outcome.
20:36
Speaker 2: Let's move on to Move of the Week, brought to
20:38
Speaker 2: you by Shannon's two races this weekend, of course, Barcelona
20:45
Speaker 2: Motorcycle Grand Prix as well as the Italian Formula One
20:47
Speaker 2: Grand Prix. That's probably good because there wasn't a lot
20:50
Speaker 2: of overtaking in Italy after the first few laps.
20:52
Speaker 4: None that we're not team orders anyway, well, yes, which
20:55
Speaker 4: is why for my Move of the Week I'm actually
20:57
Speaker 4: going to nominate Alex albom here. This is a very
20:59
Speaker 4: very strong ange left field one which is kind of
21:01
Speaker 4: my corns. We get corners with painting ourselves into Alex
21:04
Speaker 4: albon Seventh in the World Championship.
21:06
Speaker 1: Yes, ahead of Antonelli.
21:07
Speaker 3: Now, uh huh.
21:07
Speaker 4: And when you're looking at a series where you've got
21:09
Speaker 4: in some sort of order, McLaren, Ferrari, Mercedes and Red
21:12
Speaker 4: Bull are clearly the four dominant teams. For anyone else
21:16
Speaker 4: to muscle into that top eight in the World Championship
21:19
Speaker 4: from any other team is a pretty remarkable achievement. So
21:23
Speaker 4: he's had eleven points finishes in sixteen Grand Prix and
21:26
Speaker 4: this is the stat that I can't believe. With Alex Albon,
21:29
Speaker 4: he has outscored his teammate Carlos Science seventy points to sixteen. Now,
21:34
Speaker 4: if anyone had that before the season started, then send
21:37
Speaker 4: me your details and we'll go to have a very
21:39
Speaker 4: very large dinner together or something. But who would have
21:41
Speaker 4: seen that coming. But he's he's had such a good
21:43
Speaker 4: season and it's quite start. You look at him on
21:46
Speaker 4: the points table down and go, oh okay, yeah, that's
21:48
Speaker 4: believable and sustainable, but it still makes you sit up.
21:51
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is remarkable.
21:52
Speaker 2: I mean some of that obviously was in those first
21:54
Speaker 2: five races whatever it was, where Carlos Science was clearly
21:57
Speaker 2: not at home with the car. But I sort of
21:59
Speaker 2: thinking about, this is the dribe isn't here? Weirdly enough,
22:01
Speaker 2: the Carlos signs in a great position to score points
22:04
Speaker 2: this weekend and then, in my opinion, caused a collision
22:08
Speaker 2: for which Oliver Abadmin was penalized. I understand why, but
22:11
Speaker 2: I think it was wrong totally needless, like totally needless
22:15
Speaker 2: to get himself in that position when he probably would
22:17
Speaker 2: have finished, he would have got maybe four points.
22:18
Speaker 1: I think more or less needed points.
22:21
Speaker 2: I think because while it's clear, the pace is there
22:23
Speaker 2: and he's kind of thereabouts, and like any driver that
22:26
Speaker 2: moved this year, it's so easy to say, well, we're
22:28
Speaker 2: here because of twenty twenty six, like you're not here
22:30
Speaker 2: because of twenty twenty five. We're here to get our
22:31
Speaker 2: feet under the desk. I don't know, it's starting to
22:34
Speaker 2: get a little bit. I don't want to say too
22:36
Speaker 2: grim for Carlos, but it's it doesn't look great.
22:39
Speaker 4: Sixteen points and sixteen rounds. Yeah, very very average. So
22:42
Speaker 4: that's my take on move of the weekend is a move.
22:44
Speaker 4: It's moved into seventh place in the World Championship, but
22:46
Speaker 4: I dare say you've probably got something for this category.
22:48
Speaker 2: More on track, well, I really liked it was on track.
22:51
Speaker 2: Oscar Piastri's move on Charlotte Claire. I think it was
22:53
Speaker 2: on lap two, but there were quite a few movements
22:55
Speaker 2: between here. Charlotte Clairs really summed it up pretty well,
22:58
Speaker 2: like a tiny mistake and someone passes. I thought, if
23:00
Speaker 2: that was the tone of the race, I thought were
23:02
Speaker 2: really cracking.
23:03
Speaker 1: One hour and twelve to twelve.
23:05
Speaker 2: Yes, but I really like this move around the outside
23:07
Speaker 2: of the first kne because at that point, you know,
23:11
Speaker 2: the talk of the weekend with this, what was the
23:13
Speaker 2: thirty four point lead, was that he didn't need to
23:15
Speaker 2: take too many risks. You play the numbers game, you're
23:17
Speaker 2: going to be okay. This was a really risky move.
23:20
Speaker 2: I mean required trust in Leclaire, and Leclair is a
23:22
Speaker 2: guy you can I can't. I'm trying to think now,
23:25
Speaker 2: but I'm struggling to think of any major mistake he's
23:26
Speaker 2: made in a combat situation like that. Just really gutsy
23:30
Speaker 2: to put his car there, knowing the risk was there
23:32
Speaker 2: that he might be eliminated and all of a sudden,
23:33
Speaker 2: a loss of three points scenarios could be a loss
23:36
Speaker 2: of eighteen if very fair, wouldn't it. After the Dutch
23:38
Speaker 2: con Prix, I just really enjoyed that move. That showed
23:42
Speaker 2: that he's still out there, really trying to go hard
23:44
Speaker 2: at these races. There's no inclination to think about the
23:47
Speaker 2: points lead. It is still about winning races and stamping
23:50
Speaker 2: is authority on the series.
23:51
Speaker 4: And the point you mentioned is knowing who you're racing against. Yes,
23:54
Speaker 4: I think that's a big part of that. There are
23:56
Speaker 4: certain people you would not put your car in that
23:58
Speaker 4: particular position with, and can Mark we're a reference of
24:01
Speaker 4: the of the podcast this week. I'm thinking a lot
24:03
Speaker 4: so where a rouge.
24:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, well there's no other two drivers almost that you
24:07
Speaker 2: would you could pull that off with.
24:09
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely.
24:09
Speaker 4: And the reason that Mark went for that where he
24:12
Speaker 4: went for it was because of who was racing against.
24:14
Speaker 4: A Because it's awesome if it comes off, and b
24:15
Speaker 4: because I can trust this guy to do the right thing.
24:17
Speaker 4: And there was a much lower scale version of that
24:20
Speaker 4: going on.
24:20
Speaker 3: With Piastre and Leclair.
24:21
Speaker 4: But I like the fact that you sum up who
24:23
Speaker 4: you're racing against and you race that person accordingly or
24:26
Speaker 4: not based on the situation. That's why I think it's
24:28
Speaker 4: a really good nomination.
24:29
Speaker 2: It's worth remembering that as well. And every time a
24:31
Speaker 2: driver says I don't know who's in the car, just
24:33
Speaker 2: see the.
24:33
Speaker 1: Other car, it's not true. Yes, obviously not true.
24:39
Speaker 2: Let's move on away from form to one briefly to
24:41
Speaker 2: interested with his experts, because we've had a murdor GP
24:44
Speaker 2: round in which I'm interested. This weekend we'll have a
24:46
Speaker 2: Supercars round and I'll tell you about that in the moment,
24:48
Speaker 2: or I.
24:48
Speaker 1: Can tell you about that.
24:49
Speaker 4: Now you tell me, let's I'll be more interested. You
24:53
Speaker 4: can be the expert. How do of that sound?
24:54
Speaker 3: Okay, let's do let's do it now. All I know
24:56
Speaker 3: this is how this is how interested I am. First
24:58
Speaker 3: and Dura of the season at the Bend.
25:01
Speaker 2: Yes, Bend, not at Sandown, which is unusual. Indeed Sandown
25:06
Speaker 2: is later though, sant nag it's a final slot.
25:07
Speaker 4: What what's the what's the because you know it's separate
25:11
Speaker 4: season in a lot of respects. What's the narrative going
25:14
Speaker 4: into this? Because it's unusual, as you said, to have
25:16
Speaker 4: the first and juror at this particular track.
25:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a question I've been wondering for the
25:20
Speaker 2: last few weeks. I was in Sydney a couple of
25:23
Speaker 2: weeks ago last week for the Bathist launch event. You
25:25
Speaker 2: mentioning that on our website on social media. The more
25:28
Speaker 2: stuff from that later anyway, and it struck me because
25:31
Speaker 2: I really like the Bathists is the ideas of standalone.
25:34
Speaker 2: It didn't used to be part of the championship was
25:35
Speaker 2: a race in which you just go all out and
25:38
Speaker 2: an iconic event still is an iconic event, but it
25:40
Speaker 2: plays a role in the championship and in previous years
25:42
Speaker 2: before the final series, you know, it was important to
25:45
Speaker 2: the narrative of the champions You've ever scored the most
25:47
Speaker 2: points potentially affect the order. It still does that to
25:49
Speaker 2: an extent because there are the bonus points for the finals,
25:53
Speaker 2: but it's much more standalone now. If you're Brock Feenie
25:56
Speaker 2: or Will Brown or even all the way down bro
25:58
Speaker 2: Brodie Caustick and even lower, it's kind of a bit
26:01
Speaker 2: of a free hit. I know this is two rounds
26:03
Speaker 2: away from the bend, but stick stick with me. I
26:06
Speaker 2: put this to a couple of drivers and I said, yes,
26:08
Speaker 2: except if you were on the bubble for the finals.
26:11
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because all of a sudden you've got these
26:13
Speaker 2: two big points paying races, three hundred points, all the
26:16
Speaker 2: points in one event. That's a lot of risk for
26:19
Speaker 2: guys who are on the bubble for the finals. So
26:21
Speaker 2: we'll get I've got the points down here, so I'll
26:23
Speaker 2: get them wrong. And the points there's a lot of
26:24
Speaker 2: big numbers and supercars. Anton Divisquali is seventh. He's one
26:28
Speaker 2: hundred and four points ahead of tenth place, which is
26:30
Speaker 2: held by Thomas round right.
26:31
Speaker 1: Andre Humgud has only twenty one points ahead. In eighth.
26:35
Speaker 1: Ryan Wood's only fourteen points ahead. Just out of here.
26:38
Speaker 1: This is a story.
26:38
Speaker 2: I mean, we fascinately see how this ends up by
26:40
Speaker 2: the end of the season or by the finals. I
26:41
Speaker 2: guess Kay Allen eleventh, only twenty points out because of
26:44
Speaker 2: this late surge in the last couple of rounds. I
26:48
Speaker 2: suppose after starting as a rookie, and then Cameron Hill,
26:51
Speaker 2: who was in the ten earlier in the year, has
26:53
Speaker 2: had a bit of a rough time of things. In
26:55
Speaker 2: the last again two or three rounds, He's one hundred
26:57
Speaker 2: and eight points out.
26:58
Speaker 1: Obviously there are more drivers involved, but for me.
27:01
Speaker 2: I could be totally wrong, which would be remarkable, not
27:03
Speaker 2: because I'd be wrong, but because it'd be a great story.
27:05
Speaker 2: One hundred points either side fields like you'd need a
27:09
Speaker 2: pretty big twist, because the other thing is, it's not
27:11
Speaker 2: as if you not all of these drivers are going
27:13
Speaker 2: to DNF and then cameraon's calling me in the end
27:15
Speaker 2: of the band.
27:16
Speaker 1: Yeah, chances are most of them will score points.
27:19
Speaker 2: I think that's really interesting for them because this is
27:22
Speaker 2: the total opposite now of the Bend and Baptist of
27:25
Speaker 2: a free hit. You've really got to play the points
27:28
Speaker 2: in a way you haven't in the endurers before, because
27:30
Speaker 2: if you were tenth last year, you're not gonna win
27:33
Speaker 2: the championship.
27:34
Speaker 1: You just go and try and win it.
27:36
Speaker 2: You're gonna still try and win it now, but now
27:37
Speaker 2: you're going to be super aware where these other drivers are.
27:39
Speaker 1: And I think that's a.
27:40
Speaker 2: Really interesting and maybe understated so far twist in the injury.
27:44
Speaker 4: Season well, and where these particular drivers sit in the
27:47
Speaker 4: order of the race. You'll need to have eyes on
27:48
Speaker 4: two different parts of the timing tower here, because you
27:50
Speaker 4: might not necessarily be watching a guy competing in the
27:52
Speaker 4: top four, but hang on, this guy's eighth in this race,
27:55
Speaker 4: what does that mean relative to the guys he's racing?
27:57
Speaker 3: And I do like it.
27:58
Speaker 1: Yes, there's a real duel element to the in duros
28:01
Speaker 1: this year.
28:01
Speaker 2: One is that we're just going to find out who's
28:03
Speaker 2: going to win the first bend and duro and then
28:04
Speaker 2: of course the bathest one thousand. The second element is
28:07
Speaker 2: obviously who's going to win the finals how they do it.
28:09
Speaker 2: I hope we've invested in a live sub championship leader board,
28:13
Speaker 2: tenth place leader board, but it'll be very interested to say.
28:16
Speaker 2: So that's something to keep an eye. Had to bend
28:17
Speaker 2: this weekend, the first the curtain raiser of Bathos stuff. Yes,
28:21
Speaker 2: tell me a little bit about Barcelona, because I believe
28:24
Speaker 2: I say deliberately A Marquez.
28:25
Speaker 4: Won a Marquees. Yes, A Marquez did win the race.
28:30
Speaker 4: This is a funny one in that you know, Mark
28:32
Speaker 4: Marquez came into this weekend on a fourteen race winning streak,
28:35
Speaker 4: which sounds as silly as it is, but going to
28:37
Speaker 4: a track where it's not a great circuit for Mark,
28:41
Speaker 4: the circuit of Barcelona Catalonia, which sounds ridiculous, and he
28:44
Speaker 4: has one here the only two times he's won this
28:47
Speaker 4: Grand Prix twenty fourteen, when he won the first ten
28:49
Speaker 4: races of the season twenty nineteen where he finished every
28:51
Speaker 4: race bar one in first or second. So it's been
28:53
Speaker 4: absolutely top shelf. Market's one here. It's a motor GP
28:58
Speaker 4: track and he's on the best bike in the field.
29:00
Speaker 4: But it's the configuration of this particular circuit. We know
29:03
Speaker 4: Mark's got this supernatural ability in left handers. This track
29:06
Speaker 4: only has two more right handers than left handers. But
29:08
Speaker 4: it's the configuration of the right handers. They're big, long
29:12
Speaker 4: radius right hand corners and it's where they are in
29:15
Speaker 4: the lap, and so Alex Marquez is particularly good through
29:19
Speaker 4: high speed, long radius, right handed turn. It's almost a
29:21
Speaker 4: perfect track this in Malaysia. He's two really strong tracks
29:24
Speaker 4: for that reason. And as good as Mark is, he
29:28
Speaker 4: wasn't fantastic at this track even before he had four
29:30
Speaker 4: shoulder surgeries from twenty twenty onwards, so it actually has
29:34
Speaker 4: been a bit of a weak point. So to my mind,
29:36
Speaker 4: they were kind of both winners here on the weekend
29:38
Speaker 4: because Alex Marquez, after he chucked it in the sprint,
29:40
Speaker 4: which is one of the silliest mistakes we've seen for
29:42
Speaker 4: a very long while, Mark ended up winning that race
29:45
Speaker 4: to win fifteen straight races. But the way this Grand
29:47
Speaker 4: Prix built on Sunday you had Alex and Mark were
29:51
Speaker 4: just in a totally different league. Everyone else was a
29:53
Speaker 4: million miles behind. And if you're Alex Marquez after you've
29:57
Speaker 4: thrown it down the road and the sprint from victory
30:00
Speaker 4: previous day, and you've got a guy on a fifteen
30:02
Speaker 4: race winning street sitting within two to six tenths of
30:05
Speaker 4: a second for sixteen consecutive laps. That's a lot of
30:09
Speaker 4: pressure to soca. And also you can almost know your
30:11
Speaker 4: enemy too well in that because they're brothers and they
30:14
Speaker 4: know each other's strengths and weaknesses so well. That's a
30:17
Speaker 4: different feeling for Alex marquistern I've got this guy behind me.
30:20
Speaker 4: It's not just some random opponent who you may not
30:23
Speaker 4: know that well and therefore probably take some of the
30:25
Speaker 4: stress out of being pursued by Mark Marquez. So tremendous
30:29
Speaker 4: win for him, really just really coolly executed. It's a
30:32
Speaker 4: really tactical race Barcelona because it's a super low grip track,
30:36
Speaker 4: it's really hot, and it comes down to the point
30:39
Speaker 4: that you're not going to have twenty four laps of
30:41
Speaker 4: thire life. You've probably got about eighteen good laps. It's
30:43
Speaker 4: just when do you deploy them, and so it turns
30:45
Speaker 4: into this really canny strategy based race, which we don't
30:49
Speaker 4: often see in motor GDP because they're forty minute races.
30:52
Speaker 4: It's always a different feel there. But the fact that
30:54
Speaker 4: Mark Marquez hung that close to his brother's very very
30:58
Speaker 4: good at this circuit with its configuration. Mark didn't win,
31:01
Speaker 4: but it's an expects thing right, and I guess the
31:04
Speaker 4: interesting part about all of this now is that it
31:06
Speaker 4: has taken away the chance for Mark Marquees to win
31:08
Speaker 4: this seventh Motor GP World Championship at Masano this weekend.
31:12
Speaker 4: There was a part of me that was kind of
31:13
Speaker 4: hoping it might happen in Valentido Rossi's backyard, just for
31:16
Speaker 4: the narrative of the storyline, but it looks very likely
31:19
Speaker 4: that it's now going to be decided in Japan, which
31:22
Speaker 4: given it was three years ago that Mark told Honda
31:25
Speaker 4: in Japan that he was leaving them to go to
31:27
Speaker 4: Ducati to kick start this second part of his career,
31:31
Speaker 4: it quite neatly closes the circle. So if that ends
31:33
Speaker 4: up becoming the story, then great. But it was just
31:35
Speaker 4: a really interesting tactical race between two guys at the
31:39
Speaker 4: absolute top of their game and a Abastianini I think
31:41
Speaker 4: finished six seconds off the in third place and no
31:45
Speaker 4: one else was within ten seconds. You do not see
31:47
Speaker 4: that in modern day motor GP.
31:48
Speaker 3: They were an absolute class of their own. It was very,
31:51
Speaker 3: very tense, high quality racing.
31:53
Speaker 2: The part of you that wanted the championship three one
31:55
Speaker 2: in San Reno is not the part that has to
31:57
Speaker 2: read the social media coments.
31:58
Speaker 1: I'm guessing so yeah, that part.
32:01
Speaker 2: Absolutely not enjoyed the race, enjoyed Alex Baker's rolling through
32:04
Speaker 2: the gravel afterwards. I felt very random to me when
32:08
Speaker 2: I enjoyed it and then. But it was the brotherly
32:11
Speaker 2: element to this, which is obviously not very rare in
32:14
Speaker 2: any sport, but certainly even in Motor GP until this year.
32:17
Speaker 4: Well, this is crazy, right, So we were talking about
32:19
Speaker 4: this off air before until Mark and Alex were on
32:21
Speaker 4: the podium together in Germany last year. That was the
32:23
Speaker 4: first time in since nineteen ninety seven we'd had siblings
32:27
Speaker 4: on the same Motor GP podium. If you add the
32:29
Speaker 4: sprints in the Grand Prix this year, seventeen podiums have
32:32
Speaker 4: shared this year. Now the scoreline is Mark fifteen Alex two,
32:36
Speaker 4: which you could probably imagine, but imagine, you know, two
32:40
Speaker 4: brothers at the absolute peak of their power sharing podiums
32:43
Speaker 4: in the elite level of their particular motorsport sort of.
32:47
Speaker 4: I was listening to Matt Oxley's podcast, which is one
32:49
Speaker 4: you should absolute listen.
32:50
Speaker 3: To and everyone else would listen to as well.
32:52
Speaker 4: He was talking about siblings being at the absolute top
32:54
Speaker 4: of their game, in worldwide sports, and he was talking
32:56
Speaker 4: about Sun and Venus Williams, and it's hard to think
32:59
Speaker 4: of too many others other than that. This is what
33:01
Speaker 4: these two guys are doing this year. It's been pretty
33:03
Speaker 4: amazing to watch.
33:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a special moment Marquez era. We're certainly in yes,
33:08
Speaker 2: and great for Alex Well, like you wouldn't have thought
33:10
Speaker 2: he'd be in the position. Okay, drifted way off the
33:12
Speaker 2: championship leaving sure compared to he was at the start,
33:14
Speaker 2: but that's that's a great story to see his rise
33:18
Speaker 2: in Moto GP as well.
33:19
Speaker 4: Well. Also, you know a guy, by the time you
33:21
Speaker 4: get to your sixth Moto GP season, your career arc
33:24
Speaker 4: is kind of written.
33:25
Speaker 3: At that point. We kind of know who you are.
33:26
Speaker 4: He's twenty nine years old now, so guys don't normally
33:30
Speaker 4: have career best seasons this late into their career, and
33:33
Speaker 4: so he's done wonders for his own reputation and how
33:36
Speaker 4: we see him as a writer. It's just that the
33:38
Speaker 4: guy shared a bedroom with back in the days, but.
33:40
Speaker 3: Just a bit better.
33:41
Speaker 2: It's unfortunately him interesting round in motorsport. Also this week
33:46
Speaker 2: will be fascinating to see the bend. But we can't
33:48
Speaker 2: wrap up before visiting the crystal ball for complete home filtration. No,
33:54
Speaker 2: but I only know this because it's still in down
33:55
Speaker 2: my run set. I've predicted Ferrari victory in Wonza last week.
33:58
Speaker 2: He tells you about the caliber of the crystal on
34:01
Speaker 2: this show, but why don't you.
34:02
Speaker 4: I predicted a Prelia would win in Catalunya, and well
34:06
Speaker 4: Marc Overzeki didn't score points. How well that went my
34:09
Speaker 4: crystal ball. And this goes back to the guy who
34:12
Speaker 4: won the Italian Grand Prix, Max for Stappen eighty seconds
34:16
Speaker 4: behind Max for Stappan was the guy in the other
34:18
Speaker 4: red ball in Yuki Sonoda. We did not talk about, No,
34:22
Speaker 4: and would have no reason to talk about except for
34:24
Speaker 4: the fact that are we sure he's going to be
34:26
Speaker 4: in this car for the rest of the year.
34:28
Speaker 1: I don't think red bulls are about that.
34:29
Speaker 4: Yeah, So my crystal ball has Isaac Cajar in that
34:32
Speaker 4: car before the season's out, simply because you look at
34:37
Speaker 4: last year. They kept Sergio Peris in that car for
34:40
Speaker 4: the entire year, and he was cooked a long way
34:42
Speaker 4: before the season finished, and they just rode it out
34:45
Speaker 4: and then sacked him after the season. After they'd signed him,
34:47
Speaker 4: and then look at the chaos that caused at the
34:49
Speaker 4: beginning of this season. Liam Lawson's in all two races
34:52
Speaker 4: in one week into the season. Liam Lawson's out let's
34:55
Speaker 4: promote Uki sonoda, we didn't really want him in the
34:57
Speaker 4: first place. We'll put in the car. It hasn't wor
35:00
Speaker 4: wor so at this point. Why would you then, if
35:03
Speaker 4: you're going to make the change for twenty twenty six,
35:05
Speaker 4: which let's be honest, they probably are going to make
35:07
Speaker 4: the change, why would you not just do it now?
35:10
Speaker 4: Take some of the sting out of the start of
35:11
Speaker 4: next year. There's going to be enough going on in
35:13
Speaker 4: Formula One generally and for that team specifically at the
35:16
Speaker 4: start of next year, new powertrains, everything else going on
35:19
Speaker 4: for twenty twenty six.
35:20
Speaker 3: Why not just bring him in.
35:21
Speaker 4: You're not going to lose fourth place in the World
35:23
Speaker 4: Championship for the constructors, that's where you're going to be.
35:26
Speaker 4: Why not just bring him in for the last three
35:27
Speaker 4: or four rounds, Just get it done, get him in there,
35:30
Speaker 4: get his feet under the table, or you're just going
35:32
Speaker 4: to make the same mistake as you did at the
35:34
Speaker 4: beginning of this year. And then we live this entire
35:36
Speaker 4: narrative all over again. I can actually see Isaacadja in
35:40
Speaker 4: the second Red Bull by the end of the season,
35:42
Speaker 4: and it'll be something that Helmut Marco just decides to
35:45
Speaker 4: mention in some random press opportunity that he's not supposed
35:47
Speaker 4: to be doing with Austrian TV because he's not actually
35:50
Speaker 4: a team spokesperson. But that would be very fitting with
35:53
Speaker 4: the way this season has gone. I like it.
35:55
Speaker 2: I hesitate to use the phrase duty of care Horna
36:00
Speaker 2: did in that press release Sackingly and Lawson from the team,
36:03
Speaker 2: but I do wonder whether you would because normally I
36:07
Speaker 2: would agree and say why not just start now?
36:09
Speaker 1: But with new rules next year, with this car killing
36:12
Speaker 1: so many careers?
36:14
Speaker 2: Yes, is it in Hadja's best interest to not finish
36:17
Speaker 2: the season to the team where he's got this beautiful
36:19
Speaker 2: trajectory as a rookie and then switch next year when
36:22
Speaker 2: we have forget how many days it is, but it's
36:24
Speaker 2: three or four pre season tests. Yes, like a lot
36:26
Speaker 2: of time in the car. I'mlike this year we had
36:28
Speaker 2: three one and a half days per driver. Next year
36:30
Speaker 2: can have a lot of days. I actually see the
36:33
Speaker 2: cost benefit equation a little bit less to doing that.
36:36
Speaker 2: But on the other hand, you used to know he's
36:37
Speaker 2: scored seven point No, it's more than how ten points?
36:39
Speaker 4: Is it?
36:39
Speaker 1: Red Bull Racing, Yep, it's not great, but I like it.
36:44
Speaker 4: I mean, look, it's a little left field for a
36:46
Speaker 4: crystal ball, but given the way Red Bull's gone this year,
36:48
Speaker 4: perhaps not so left field.
36:49
Speaker 1: No, I think the most.
36:51
Speaker 2: I do think though the practicing predicted that Halma Marker
36:53
Speaker 2: will announce it ly too. Is it climb as a
36:56
Speaker 2: tool in Austria, that's one. I think that's probably a
36:59
Speaker 2: guaranteed to.
37:00
Speaker 4: Get on Hell announced something, Yeah, yes, something will be announced.
37:05
Speaker 2: We're going a bit of a different direction. And dre
37:07
Speaker 2: Kim Antonelli had another what I thought was interesting. Total
37:10
Speaker 2: Wolf describes I think his word was Underwhelmingham Race. First
37:13
Speaker 2: criticism from total Wolf, he said, he tried to say
37:16
Speaker 2: it wasn't a criticism, but it was critical. We're at
37:19
Speaker 2: the end of the European season, the European season which
37:22
Speaker 2: we assumed we'd see the best of.
37:23
Speaker 1: Him because of the tracks he knows well.
37:25
Speaker 2: Instead, I think he scored about ten points, maybe maybe
37:28
Speaker 2: even actually fewer. Canada the exception punctuates the European season,
37:32
Speaker 2: he guys made and podium there.
37:35
Speaker 1: Leaving Europe.
37:35
Speaker 2: I think we're now going to see the best of
37:37
Speaker 2: Antonelle tracks. It just seems like tracks he doesn't know.
37:40
Speaker 2: The pressure equation in his mind changes a little bit. Ye,
37:44
Speaker 2: so I think we're going to see him. I'm just
37:45
Speaker 2: going to say he's going to out qualify and outrace
37:47
Speaker 2: George Russell in Azerbaijan. Not so he's going to be
37:50
Speaker 2: on the podium anything, But I think we're actually going
37:52
Speaker 2: to see all that early season promise again at the
37:55
Speaker 2: end of the season, now that we're on tracks that
37:57
Speaker 2: he has no right to perform.
37:58
Speaker 4: At well, the less less I should environment. I think
38:01
Speaker 4: it's a really good point because what did everyone talk
38:02
Speaker 4: about at Monza this weekend. Oh, this is where he
38:04
Speaker 4: threw it off at polic his first free practice last year.
38:08
Speaker 4: We kept going back to that. So perhaps a clean
38:10
Speaker 4: slate and less expectations. He's still a kid. Let's be
38:13
Speaker 4: perfectly honest here, and yeah, perhaps the human element of
38:16
Speaker 4: all this might actually come into play. I don't mind it.
38:18
Speaker 4: I think that's got more of a chance to be
38:20
Speaker 4: correct than most of your crystal boss. Let's be honest
38:22
Speaker 4: doesn't say a lot, No, it doesn't.
38:24
Speaker 1: That's all the time we have for pit Talk.
38:25
Speaker 2: You can subscribe to Pittalk wherever you get your favorite podcasts,
38:28
Speaker 2: and you can leave us a rating and review as well.
38:30
Speaker 2: This weekend it's the Bend five hundred at the Bend
38:33
Speaker 2: with the lights out at quarter past two on Sunday,
38:35
Speaker 2: and that'll be followed by the San Marino and Rumini
38:38
Speaker 2: Riviera Motorcycle Grand Prix in Mizzano with lights out at
38:42
Speaker 2: ten pm on Sunday as well. You get up today
38:45
Speaker 2: with all the latest Formula One, Moto TP and Supercars
38:47
Speaker 2: news at Fox sports dot com dot Au from Matt
38:50
Speaker 2: Clay and me Michael Amonado.
38:51
Speaker 1: Thanks very much for your company. We'll catch you next week.