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A Conversation on Truth and Freedom · That KEVIN Show

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  Speaker 3: All right, welcome in, Kevin McCullough. Very glad to have
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  Speaker 3: you with us. It's That Kevin Show, thatkevinshow.com for all
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  Speaker 3: things related. Very interesting day that we're in. This is
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  Speaker 3: a very interesting week. And if your name is Elon Omar,
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  Speaker 3: it has not gotten any better for you as the
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  Speaker 3: week has gone on. And as much as you may
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  Speaker 3: disdain the reality of that, that is in fact the case.
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  Speaker 3: On Monday morning, federal agents walked into the Washington home
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  Speaker 3: of Ilhan Omar, a sitting member of Congress. And when
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  Speaker 3: they left, they carried out her cell phone, notebooks, computers
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  Speaker 3: and her passport. According to The Wall Street Journal, the
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  Speaker 3: goal of the investigation is to build a case to
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  Speaker 3: strip her of her American citizenship and ultimately to deport her.
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  Speaker 3: That's what that's what the journal has reported. Now, sit
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  Speaker 3: with that for a second, regardless of how you feel
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  Speaker 3: about her. I disagree with Congressman Omar on almost everything.
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  Speaker 3: None of that changes the gravity of what happened this
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  Speaker 3: week when the government moves to take away someone's citizenship.
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  Speaker 3: It is searching for one of the most serious powers
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  Speaker 3: it holds. When it does so against a member of
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  Speaker 3: Congress three weeks before an election, every American should want
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  Speaker 3: it done carefully, cleanly, and by the book. The questions
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  Speaker 3: at the center of this case aren't new. Omar came
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  Speaker 3: to this country in 1995, child of a refugee camp
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  Speaker 3: in Kenya, brought here by her father, Nur Omar Mohammed,
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  Speaker 3: who has since passed away. She became a citizen in 2000.
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  Speaker 3: Investigators reportedly want to know whether her age was changed
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  Speaker 3: on the paperwork, listed as 17 when she was actually 18.
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  Speaker 3: That single year does matter. At 17, she would have
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  Speaker 3: qualified for citizenship automatically through her father. At 18, she
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  Speaker 3: would have to go through the process on her own.
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  Speaker 3: More than a dozen subpoenas have gone out, some to
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  Speaker 3: members of her family calling them before a grand jury
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  Speaker 3: in Minnesota. Those dismissing all of this as political have
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  Speaker 3: a problem. The Journal reports that Homeland Security investigations looked
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  Speaker 3: into a similar tip during the Biden years, so the
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  Speaker 3: question was raised before this administration ever took office. And
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  Speaker 3: this week's search was authorized by a judge and a court.
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  Speaker 3: A judge looked at what the government brought and found
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  Speaker 3: it sufficient for the search warrant. That same history cuts
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  Speaker 3: the other way and honesty requires saying so. The Biden-era
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  Speaker 3: inquiry didn't move forward because investigators said they lacked evidence
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  Speaker 3: of fraud. Either something has changed in the evidence or
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  Speaker 3: something has changed in the will to pursue it. I
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  Speaker 3: don't think that there's any mystery on that. I think
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  Speaker 3: that the president wants to know if she belongs here
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  Speaker 3: or not. People that are online already celebrating as a
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  Speaker 3: verdict has been handed down. It's kind of foolish. There's
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  Speaker 3: no verdict. The government can't simply cancel citizenship. But the
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  Speaker 3: Justice Department has to file a case in federal court
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  Speaker 3: and prove that the person lied and that the lie
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  Speaker 3: was material to how citizenship was ordained. That's a high
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  Speaker 3: bar and it should be. Most of the denaturalization cases
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  Speaker 3: filed in this term haven't been decided. If Ilhan Omar
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  Speaker 3: or her family obtained her citizenship through fraud, the law
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  Speaker 3: should apply to her exactly as it would anyone else.
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  Speaker 3: Power doesn't buy an exemption. Seating Congress is not a shield.
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  Speaker 3: Millions of immigrants waited their turn, told the truth, raised
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  Speaker 3: their right hand, and swore an oath. They deserve to
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  Speaker 3: know that oath meant something. Equal justice under the law
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  Speaker 3: is a promise made to them as much as to
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  Speaker 3: anyone else. But if the evidence isn't there, then we
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  Speaker 3: move on. There's also a human factor in all of this.
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  Speaker 3: 30 years ago, a little girl walked out of a
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  Speaker 3: refugee camp carried along by the decisions of the adults
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  Speaker 3: in her life and brought her here. Whatever paperwork was
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  Speaker 3: filed when she was a child, that's on them. It
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  Speaker 3: doesn't settle the legal question. It should shape how we
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  Speaker 3: talk about it. You can believe firmly in the rule
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  Speaker 3: of law and still decline to cheer on when someone's
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  Speaker 3: passport leaves their home in an evidence bag, which I don't.
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  Speaker 3: I don't trust Ilhan Omar at all. Many of you
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  Speaker 3: listening carry your faith into every part of your life,
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  Speaker 3: and you know this tension well. Justice and mercy are
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  Speaker 3: never meant to be rivals. Micah asks us to do
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  Speaker 3: justly and to love mercy both at once. He doesn't
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  Speaker 3: let us pick whichever one suits us this week. So
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  Speaker 3: here's what I'm going to suggest we do. Let the
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  Speaker 3: investigation proceed. Let the evidence speak. This is exactly what
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  Speaker 3: Vice President Vance said yesterday, that we're going to let
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  Speaker 3: the facts lead the way. Ultimately, a court will decide,
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  Speaker 3: and we should be people who want the truth more
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  Speaker 3: than we want a particular outcome.
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  Speaker 4: All right.
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  Speaker 3: My email address, your thoughts on this, thatkevinshowatgmail.com, thatkevinshowatgmail.com. I
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  Speaker 3: appreciate the opportunity to just give you my thoughts on
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  Speaker 3: it because this really is a very troubling case if
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  Speaker 3: it turns out to be in the least bit true.
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  Speaker 3: And she has not been absent of some controversy on
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  Speaker 3: immigration stuff anyway. The way her first husband... got here
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  Speaker 3: was also highly controversial because they should not have been married.
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  Speaker 3: They were brother and sister and somewhere along the line,
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  Speaker 3: they got married. I maybe, maybe that's a Somali thing.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, but it's not, it didn't fly here.
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  Speaker 3: And she ended up divorcing him after he came. And
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  Speaker 3: now she's married to the guy that she's married to now,
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  Speaker 3: who when they filled out their paperwork last year to
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  Speaker 3: report as a member of Congress has to what their
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  Speaker 3: value is, they reported over $ 30 million in assets. And
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  Speaker 3: then they changed it back down to $ 100, 000. She also
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  Speaker 3: is now in trouble because it does appear that they
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  Speaker 3: probably did fool around a little bit with her birth
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  Speaker 3: certificate and the date of how old she was. Like
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  Speaker 3: I said, all of this will eventually end up in
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  Speaker 3: a court, as it should, before eyes that understand the
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  Speaker 3: gravity of what it is. But it does not give
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  Speaker 3: you clearance to be shielded or in some way kept
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  Speaker 3: from being investigated simply because you're a congresswoman, which is
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  Speaker 3: what her defenders have been saying. This is bad. And
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  Speaker 3: it's bad on a lot of levels. You've got her
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  Speaker 3: being kind of the linchpin in the corruption that Minnesota
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  Speaker 3: used to rip off the federal taxpayers for all the
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  Speaker 3: monies that were going into the Somali communities for daycares
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  Speaker 3: that didn't exist and all the rest of that. She's
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  Speaker 3: got her fingerprints on all of it. She probably committed
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  Speaker 3: fraud to help other people get into the country. Her
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  Speaker 3: parents may have committed fraud... to get her citizenship. And
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  Speaker 3: if any of that turns out to be true, then
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  Speaker 3: the justice department needs to do what they do. And
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  Speaker 3: that is act without prejudice towards the criminal. It doesn't
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  Speaker 3: matter who she is or where she's from. You do
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  Speaker 3: what's right. And we'll go from there. All right. Um,
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  Speaker 3: very interesting though, that they took her passport, her cell
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  Speaker 3: phone and all of her computers. They are really looking
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  Speaker 3: into this on a deep level. And according to the
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  Speaker 3: Wall Street Journal today, they may be looking to deport her.
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  Speaker 3: We'll see. Calvin McCullough, glad to have you with us.
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  Speaker 3: We're going to ask, how do we live? Coming up
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  Speaker 3: and a little bit later on, Shelly Goldberg will be
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  Speaker 3: around with a parenting tip for this week. Calvin McCullough,
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  Speaker 3: very glad to have you here. Don't go anywhere.
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  Speaker 1: From New York, that Kevin, Kevin McCullough.
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  Speaker 3: All right, welcome back. Kevin McCullough. I've been looking forward
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  Speaker 3: to this part of the show ever since yesterday because
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  Speaker 3: we're having a great week with Jason Worman on the
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  Speaker 3: topic of how do we live and particularly God's cookbook,
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  Speaker 3: Recovering the Flavor of Faith in a Saltless Age. It's
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  Speaker 3: his brand new book. go get it. You're going to
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  Speaker 3: be glad you did. Follow Jason on Instagram too. He's
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  Speaker 3: a fun follow. And I like the way you just
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  Speaker 3: never really know where he stands on anything. That's really,
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  Speaker 3: just like me, Jason, just really hiding your opinions on stuff.
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  Speaker 3: And I just think it's a great thing. I'm being
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  Speaker 3: facetious for those of you that don't know. So just
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  Speaker 3: go check it out. We're talking about your book, God's Cookbook,
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  Speaker 3: and we've looked at a bunch of different ingredients uh
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  Speaker 3: that scriptures talk about as we're cooking this stew of
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  Speaker 3: the christian life for ourselves i guess um but we
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  Speaker 3: come to a different salt today which is the salt
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  Speaker 3: of truth and we're looking at john chapter 8 what
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  Speaker 3: do we find there.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah you know jesus goes to john chapter 8 verse
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  Speaker 5: 31 and 32 i'm going to paraphrase a little bit
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  Speaker 5: but he goes if you abide in my word You will.
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  Speaker 6: Know the truth and the truth will set you free.
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  Speaker 6: And I think I think you hear that phrase a lot.
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  Speaker 6: If you're a Christian and around church at all, you hear,
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  Speaker 6: you know, you'll know the truth. The truth will set
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  Speaker 6: you free. But there's so much there's so much of
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  Speaker 6: God's ingredients for what he wants for humanity. Because we've
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  Speaker 6: been talking about, you know, salt is the values, morals,
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  Speaker 6: truth is the essence of Christianity itself. Versus the leaven,
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  Speaker 6: which Jesus says is the ingredient to keep out of
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  Speaker 6: the recipe of our ideology. And I don't know that
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  Speaker 6: there is a more important recipe that the enemy has
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  Speaker 6: really tried to add leaven to. Other than the idea
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  Speaker 6: of what truth is. Jesus said, you'll know the truth
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  Speaker 6: and the truth will set you free. And so truth
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  Speaker 6: is the currency of freedom. If you go to the
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  Speaker 6: tree of freedom, the tree of liberty that we're blessed
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  Speaker 6: to eat from in our nation, if you go to
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  Speaker 6: the roots of that tree, you have to find truth.
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  Speaker 6: Because the only thing that brings freedom is truth. We're
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  Speaker 6: in a generation today, the old movie, A Few Good Men,
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  Speaker 6: Jack Nicholson's character says you can't handle the truth anymore.
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  Speaker 6: And I don't know that there's a line that defines
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  Speaker 6: the culture that we're in right now. More than that
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  Speaker 6: is we're in a culture that just can't handle the truth.
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  Speaker 6: And so even in church and Christian life, it's like
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  Speaker 6: we want to soften the truth. We want to make
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  Speaker 6: the truth palatable. And again, to borrow a phrase from
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  Speaker 6: an old movie, it's like I think a lot of
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  Speaker 6: times it's a spoonful of leaven that helps the truth
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  Speaker 6: go down. We feel like we have to manipulate it.
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  Speaker 6: We got to we got to change it. We've got
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  Speaker 6: to soften it. And, you know, we're in a we're
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  Speaker 6: in a culture on the news and in politicians. It's
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  Speaker 6: common to, you know, like, oh, we're going to spin
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  Speaker 6: a narrative. We're going to we're going to put some
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  Speaker 6: spin on this. And, man, I hope people understand what
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  Speaker 6: we what we would call spin. God calls sin like
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  Speaker 6: you can't manipulate the truth. And the reality is, is
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  Speaker 6: sometimes saying saying yes is easier than saying no. Whether
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  Speaker 6: you're a leader with employees or me as a pastor
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  Speaker 6: or even just a mom with your kids, sometimes it's
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  Speaker 6: easier to say yes than it is no because hard
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  Speaker 6: conversations are just that. They're hard. But what we have
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  Speaker 6: to recognize is an easy yes often avoids temporary conflict
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  Speaker 6: but creates long-term consequences. So we can soften things, but
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  Speaker 6: the reality is truth creates tension. But over time, truth
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  Speaker 6: creates health. And we need to just wrestle through the
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  Speaker 6: idea that hard truth is still truth. Confronting truth is
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  Speaker 6: still truth. Difficult truth is still truth. We're in a
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  Speaker 6: culture now, the way I write in the book, that
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  Speaker 6: leaven has been manipulated. Leaven has been infiltrated around the
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  Speaker 6: idea of my truth. It's not impersonal. Truth is universal.
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  Speaker 6: There's a universal truth. It's not true what's right for
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  Speaker 6: one person is universal. It isn't right for another person.
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  Speaker 6: He goes, hey, the truth is external. The truth isn't
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  Speaker 6: in me. The truth isn't in you. The truth isn't
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  Speaker 6: in somebody else. The truth is in the word of God.
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  Speaker 6: Like that's that's what we have to land on. Like
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  Speaker 6: there is a truth out there and I don't have it.
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  Speaker 6: I've got to learn it. And I don't I don't
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  Speaker 6: perceive it. I discover it like it's it's something I learned.
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  Speaker 6: It's discoverable. And then it's not felt. It's absolute. It's
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  Speaker 6: not a narrative. It's the word of God. And I
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  Speaker 6: think it helps us understand, like the power of the
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  Speaker 6: salt of the truth that God is trying to get
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  Speaker 6: to us. Like, hey, our culture is saying my truth.
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  Speaker 6: And I think that's why truth is so important. offensive
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  Speaker 6: to people is because when you say my, when, when
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  Speaker 6: truth becomes a part, when truth becomes personal to you,
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  Speaker 6: when you say something that disagrees, you're not attacking an idea,
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  Speaker 6: you're attacking a person's identity. And I think that's where
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  Speaker 6: we sit in our culture today is when I get up,
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  Speaker 6: even as a pastor, like we need to recognize offense
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  Speaker 6: has become a weapon that people wield. Because the greatest,
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  Speaker 6: the unpardonable sin of our culture right now isn't to
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  Speaker 6: grieve the Holy Spirit. It's to offend another person. And
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  Speaker 6: as a pastor, I deal with it. One of the
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  Speaker 6: funniest things I've said in the pulpit about a month
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  Speaker 6: ago got me emails, and it was hilarious. But I
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  Speaker 6: was making fun of an idea, and the emails I
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  Speaker 6: got were, hey, you could have been offensive to somebody.
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  Speaker 6: It's not even, there wasn't even, I didn't even offend anybody,
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  Speaker 6: but just the idea that the joke could have offended.
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  Speaker 6: Even for Christians, it was off limits.
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  Speaker 3: They took up the offense on the behalf.
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  Speaker 6: Of no one.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah. Just just the idea. And and again, I was
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  Speaker 6: poking fun at a at a political ideology, not making
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  Speaker 6: fun of an individual person. But we have to recognize
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  Speaker 6: that that offense is a weapon that gets wielded against
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  Speaker 6: the truth, because oftentimes the truth is hard. And then
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  Speaker 6: we have to reconcile that with the Bible because the
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  Speaker 6: Bible says the cross is offensive. I mean, it offends
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  Speaker 6: our pride. If I want salvation, the first thing I
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  Speaker 6: have to admit is I'm wrong. I have to admit
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  Speaker 6: I've sinned, I've messed up. I have to bow my
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  Speaker 6: knee to Jesus. It confronts my idea of self-rule. We're sinners.
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  Speaker 6: We have to confess. We have to repent. And so
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  Speaker 6: we have a gospel that is offensive in a culture
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  Speaker 6: that considers offense a grave sin. And if we try
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  Speaker 6: to make truth palatable, Then we end up watering down
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  Speaker 6: the truth. And that's how Levin gets in. And when
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  Speaker 6: we say that, like, I think there's two approaches that
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  Speaker 6: how people can come to truth. One is we're just
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  Speaker 6: going to be silent. I'm going to live in fear.
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  Speaker 6: The other one is the is the counter to it.
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  Speaker 6: And it's like, you know, I'm going to get angry
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  Speaker 6: and I'm going to seek vengeance. And I don't think
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  Speaker 6: we'll ever be winsome enough to break through the stronghold
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  Speaker 6: of relativism that's going on in our culture. I also
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  Speaker 6: don't think we're going to be angry enough to tear
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  Speaker 6: it down. And I just, when you look at scripture,
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  Speaker 6: what you see aren't people who are trying to be
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  Speaker 6: winsome enough. It's not people who are angry, trying to
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  Speaker 6: burn everything down. What you see is the strength of conviction.
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  Speaker 6: And I know it feels overwhelming today, but I just,
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  Speaker 6: I love to remind people, hey, the God of Daniel,
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  Speaker 6: who prayed with his windows open when they made a
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  Speaker 6: law that you couldn't pray. Like the God of Daniel
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  Speaker 6: is on our side. Like the three Hebrew boys who
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  Speaker 6: wouldn't bow and wouldn't bend when the king played his
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  Speaker 6: music and demanded that they worship a golden image. Like, hey,
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  Speaker 6: the God of the three Hebrew boys are on our side.
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  Speaker 6: Like David, who goes and stands up against Goliath, who
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  Speaker 6: is called... calling out the people of God and goes
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  Speaker 6: to fight a battle, not on his own, but he
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  Speaker 6: comes in the name of the Lord. I just hope
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  Speaker 6: people get so inspired and encouraged because we get to
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  Speaker 6: live out today in this culture, all of those Bible
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  Speaker 6: stories that we read about and we talk about, we
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  Speaker 6: get the opportunity to live out the strength of our
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  Speaker 6: convictions and the strength of truth. And we just need
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  Speaker 6: to realize today, timidity and fear are not Christian values.
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  Speaker 6: Courage and boldness are. And it is the belt of truth,
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  Speaker 6: Paul writes in Ephesians chapter 6. It's interesting that he
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  Speaker 6: calls it the belt of truth because when you study
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  Speaker 6: the spiritual armor that God has given us, the importance
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  Speaker 6: of the belt was that it held everything together. righteousness, salvation,
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  Speaker 6: peace without the belt. And I don't know about you,
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  Speaker 6: but when I go to, if I were going into
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  Speaker 6: a battle, a belt would be the last thing I
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  Speaker 6: would be thinking about. Like, give me a shield, give
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  Speaker 6: me a sword, give me a bow and arrow. And
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  Speaker 6: Paul's like, well, there's a belt. Why is that important?
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  Speaker 6: Because every other piece of equipment hinged on that belt.
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  Speaker 6: And I hope people understand like everything that we are,
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  Speaker 6: everything that we have, truth, righteousness, freedom, grace, faith, hope, love,
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  Speaker 6: all of it is held together by this one thing.
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  Speaker 6: And it's the truth of the word of God.
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  Speaker 7: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: Excellent, excellent reminder today, Jason. And I just, I'm so
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  Speaker 3: sad that this week is coming to a close tomorrow
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  Speaker 3: because I feel like we've barely scratched the surface. But friends,
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  Speaker 3: if you feel the same way, get a copy of
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  Speaker 3: his new book, because that is exactly why it was written.
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  Speaker 3: It was written so that you personally could dig deeper.
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  Speaker 3: You could discover God's flavor of what faith is truly
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  Speaker 3: like in this saltless age. God's Cookbook is the name
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: of the book. Jason Worman is its author, and he's
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: the senior pastor at Coast Life Church there in Florida,
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: and just such a grateful participant in our discussion here. Jason,
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: thank you so much for having us once again.
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  Speaker 6: Thank you so much for the opportunity.
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: Love being on with you. You got it. Kevin McCullough
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  Speaker 3: coming right back. Big Thursday straight ahead. Don't go anywhere.
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  Speaker 8: Stick around for more of That Kevin.
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  Speaker 3: Next.
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  Speaker 4: Here he is from New York, that Kevin, Kevin McCullough.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome back. Kevin McCullough, 888-342-1010, 888-342-1010. That phone number very
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  Speaker 3: simply helps you liberate a human slave. Whoa, hold on
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: a second, Kev. What's that about? Human slavery. It's more
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: populous today than it has ever been in human history. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
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  Speaker 3: I thought we had abolition. I thought that the slaves
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: were set free. Maybe in the West, maybe because of
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: the influence of Christianity, maybe because, yes, there was a
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: season in which these cultures woke up and said, we
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: got to stop doing this. But friends, in much of
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: the rest of the world, slavery continues on in a
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: horrific fashion. And it varies where you are. In some places,
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: it's indentured servitude where children of people who owed a
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: lot of money and those people died are now in
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: essence slaves of those that are making bricks and they
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: work 20 hours a day with four hours of sleep
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  Speaker 3: and almost nothing to eat. There are others that it's
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: just pure sex trafficking. They just take minors and they
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: just make them do what they want them to do.
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: In the case of what we're talking about with the
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: slaves of Sudan, it's a little bit of all of that.
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: It's forced labor. It's sexual abuse. It's spiritual abuse. It's
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: mental abuse. It's physical abuse. It's verbal abuse. Like if
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: you can be abused in any way possible, a Sudanese
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: slave has been abused in that way. And that's why
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: this Christmas, I want to give these women the best
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: Christmas gift we could ever give them, which is their
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: liberation and a brand new life. And Todd Chapman is
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: back with us from Christian Solidarity International. But Todd, you
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: think about it, this bag of hope, It comes loaded
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: with food for a year, seed for another year's worth
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: of food. They eat this grain called sorghum. It has
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: all these gadgets and trinkets and things that they need
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: to help clean and fish and do gardening with and
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: all that stuff. It's really not just a bag. It's
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: several bags. But you've got blankets and tarps and things
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: to protect from weather. And then on top of everything
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: else that's in there, There's a dairy she goat that
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: gives milk that they are given as their own and
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: they get to take it. And when they receive this,
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: it's like they've won the biggest lottery that you can imagine.
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: Imagine Todd Chapman winning the billion dollar lottery, you know,
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: in the state of Michigan. This this would be the
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: equivalent for one of these slaves because they've had so
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: little of nothing to themselves. And it gives them everything
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: to start the new life over. And that's what the
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: $ 250 to Christian Solidarity International provides every single one of them.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, it's such a beautiful opportunity that we have. And,
• 23:52
  Speaker 9: you know, with the expansion of that Kevin show on
• 23:54
  Speaker 9: to so many new stations in the last year, Even
• 23:57
  Speaker 9: though Kevin and I have been bringing this in front
• 23:59
  Speaker 9: of listeners for years, it's so awesome that there's a
• 24:02
  Speaker 9: whole new bunch of people that have probably never heard
• 24:04
  Speaker 9: about this before. And so would you lean in just
• 24:06
  Speaker 9: for a second? And would you just prayerfully, seriously, don't say,
• 24:10
  Speaker 9: you know, flippantly, I'll pray about it. Would you seriously, intentionally,
• 24:14
  Speaker 9: prayerfully ask what God would have you do? Because God
• 24:17
  Speaker 9: does not bring opportunities across our path on accident. As
• 24:20
  Speaker 9: a matter of fact, Ephesians 2.10, one of my favorite
• 24:22
  Speaker 9: verses in the Bible, you are God's masterpiece. created in
• 24:26
  Speaker 9: Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in
• 24:30
  Speaker 9: advance for you to do. What an awesome verse, man.
• 24:33
  Speaker 9: I mean, you know, number one, you're a masterpiece of God.
• 24:37
  Speaker 9: He created you. He redeemed you through his son. And
• 24:40
  Speaker 9: then he has good things for you to do in
• 24:41
  Speaker 9: the world. This might be, and I really believe it
• 24:44
  Speaker 9: is if you're hearing this. I just believe that you
• 24:46
  Speaker 9: don't have to agree. It's what I believe. I'm going
• 24:47
  Speaker 9: to put it out there. I think this is one
• 24:49
  Speaker 9: of those good deeds that God ordained for you to do.
• 24:52
  Speaker 9: Free a human being in the name of Jesus. Return
• 24:56
  Speaker 9: them to their home country. Return them oftentimes to their community.
• 24:59
  Speaker 9: Sometimes even reunite them with a family that they were
• 25:02
  Speaker 9: taken from decades ago. One of the things that makes
• 25:05
  Speaker 9: this particular slavery unique and I think so much more
• 25:09
  Speaker 9: difficult to bear. It's all bad. But, you know, if
• 25:12
  Speaker 9: you're a slave at a brick kiln in Pakistan, oftentimes
• 25:16
  Speaker 9: those are families. They're still enslaved, but they're together.
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  Speaker 7: Right.
• 25:19
  Speaker 9: Trafficked children. Oftentimes, yeah, they're living in a brothel, you know,
• 25:24
  Speaker 9: children to a traffic bomb, but they're still in that
• 25:26
  Speaker 9: family unit. Oftentimes in these situations, without exception, these slaves
• 25:31
  Speaker 9: were taken from their family, usually as children. And that's
• 25:36
  Speaker 9: a whole nother level of pain and suffering and trauma.
• 25:39
  Speaker 9: But we get to restore that. You get to let
• 25:41
  Speaker 9: God use you to restore that. It's a beautiful opportunity.
• 25:44
  Speaker 9: Two hundred fifty dollars to liberate a human being in
• 25:48
  Speaker 9: the name of Jesus and put them on the road
• 25:49
  Speaker 9: to a brand new life. What a marvelous opportunity during
• 25:52
  Speaker 9: this holiday season.
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  Speaker 3: Well, and I just want to say the one of
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: the things when they get back to the camp, the
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: liberation camp in South Sudan, and they're given plenty of
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: time to get medical attention and sometimes counseling and some
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: other things they may need, they get to tell their story.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: They've never been able to tell their story to anyone
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: or to talk about it in any way. So to
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: verbalize it and to kind of document it, to help
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: them remember what their given name was from birth, if
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: they can, and kind of trace where their family comes from.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: But in that, they begin to find solidarity with one another,
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: with other slaves who've been through similar experiences. And if
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: CSI can't find their physical human family Because many times
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: they were shot and killed in front of them, traumatizing
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: them further as they were taken into slavery. They watched
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: their own parents be executed or they watched their mom
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: be gang raped by slaves or by slave masters. These
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: horrible things are all there. If they can't find the
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: human family, then what they've begun is these wonderful communities
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: of these women who have lived this life together, understand
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: what each other has gone through. And in Christian community now,
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: related to churches in places in South Sudan, they get
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: to have these communities of women that live together joyously,
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: rejoicing for their freedom and being able to start their
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: lives over again. And imagine like the most meaningful small
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: group you've ever been part of. This is that on steroids.
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: Like there's so much support there. And then the churches,
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: the churches just, I mean, they make the prodigal son's
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: return home look silly. Like, it's just, they are so
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: rejoiced over when they come home. Prince, that's the gift
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: you get to give them this year for $ 250.
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  Speaker 6: 888-342-1010.
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  Speaker 3: 888-342-1010.
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  Speaker 6: 888-342-1010.
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  Speaker 3: $ 250 liberates one life. How many lives will you liberate
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  Speaker 3: right now? Go to thatkevinshow.com, click the CSI banner, or
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: dial 888-342-1010.
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: Here he is, from New York, that Kevin, Kevin McCullough.
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: Welcome back. It's Thursday. You know what that means. We
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: get to talk parenting for a little bit with Shelly Goldberg,
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: our parenting expert. She's been with us for years, and
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: we have an entire library of great things that she's
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: told us in the podcast about how to become a
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: better parent, one tip at a time, every week. And Shelly,
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: we're going to do something on the educational front this week.
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: What are we doing?
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  Speaker 10: That's right, Kevin. The kids are in school. It's October.
• 28:44
  Speaker 10: And for a lot of parents and grandparents, you know,
• 28:47
  Speaker 10: it's one and done. They're in school.
• 28:48
  Speaker 6: It's fine.
• 28:49
  Speaker 10: So I'm here, of course, to stir up some trouble
• 28:54
  Speaker 10: and to remind your listeners that there are so many things,
• 28:57
  Speaker 10: so many things that they are probably not being taught
• 29:01
  Speaker 10: in school, that some schools they're just fine you know
• 29:09
  Speaker 10: here and there maybe they're covering all the bases but
• 29:12
  Speaker 10: in general there are so many critical things that you
• 29:15
  Speaker 10: mom and dad need to be teaching your kids so
• 29:19
  Speaker 10: grab a pencil and paper we're going to just kind
• 29:21
  Speaker 10: of highlight them briefly today and then we'll get into
• 29:25
  Speaker 10: depth with some of these things over the next coming
• 29:28
  Speaker 10: you know weeks and months so by the way i
• 29:32
  Speaker 10: i I did a number of interviews when I was
• 29:34
  Speaker 10: at New York One where I actually went to middle
• 29:37
  Speaker 10: schools and we asked the kids. if you were redesigning
• 29:41
  Speaker 10: the curriculum. What would you add? What do you feel
• 29:46
  Speaker 10: was important that's missing? And so I'm going to give
• 29:48
  Speaker 10: you what came up over and over again and then
• 29:52
  Speaker 10: give you all the other things that are floating out
• 29:55
  Speaker 10: there in surveys. Okay, the most important, Kevin, I think
• 29:59
  Speaker 10: you can guess this one. Money, money, money. Anything to
• 30:04
  Speaker 10: do with finance. Kids feel they don't know anything. Financial literacy,
• 30:08
  Speaker 10: whether it's budgeting, taxes, investing, how credit cards work. Emergency funds.
• 30:14
  Speaker 10: What should you have? How do you figure that all out?
• 30:18
  Speaker 10: Walking into a bank, setting up an account. Mom and dad,
• 30:21
  Speaker 10: these are things don't assume that the school is teaching
• 30:24
  Speaker 10: this to your kids because they're probably not. And these, again,
• 30:28
  Speaker 10: are the things that just as much as they need
• 30:30
  Speaker 10: to know, you know, two and two is four and
• 30:33
  Speaker 10: how to read. These are also very critical life skills. Two,
• 30:38
  Speaker 10: this also came up when we did these interviews in
• 30:41
  Speaker 10: the middle school when I was at New York One.
• 30:43
  Speaker 10: Mental health. Kids wanted to know, how do you identify
• 30:48
  Speaker 10: if you're stressed out or if you're anxious or if
• 30:51
  Speaker 10: you have anxiety, depression? What do you do? So awareness,
• 30:57
  Speaker 10: recognizing the sign, the techniques that are available to help you.
• 31:01
  Speaker 10: How do you cope?
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  Speaker 4: How do you.
• 31:12
  Speaker 10: Or media awareness how do you know what's true on
• 31:15
  Speaker 10: social media on tv radio how do you discern the
• 31:20
  Speaker 10: truth how do you spot misinformation a hidden agenda propaganda
• 31:25
  Speaker 10: kids are inundated i mean the information is just coming
• 31:29
  Speaker 10: at them and they really need you mom and dad
• 31:32
  Speaker 10: and grandma and grandpa.
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  Speaker 6: Right. All right.
• 31:38
  Speaker 10: Here are a whole bunch of others. Oh, by the way,
• 31:40
  Speaker 10: another big one, Kevin, and I know you know this
• 31:43
  Speaker 10: communication skills. Kids wanted help with. The people skills. How
• 31:51
  Speaker 10: do you read body language, the cues and. in terms
• 31:57
  Speaker 10: of making new friends, opening sentences and statements, how do
• 32:01
  Speaker 10: you kind of put yourself in a new group. So
• 32:06
  Speaker 10: there's that level, the one-on-one, and then there's the communication
• 32:10
  Speaker 10: skills for making a presentation, public speaking. So anything to
• 32:15
  Speaker 10: do with speaking and people skills, kids also wanted more
• 32:20
  Speaker 10: information and more learning taking place in When we're talking
• 32:27
  Speaker 10: about self-defense, we're not talking about karate and jujitsu. We're
• 32:31
  Speaker 10: talking about teaching your kids the words so they can
• 32:35
  Speaker 10: de-escalate a confrontation. We're talking about situational awareness, teaching your
• 32:43
  Speaker 10: kids when they're walking. wish that they were taught entrepreneurship
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  Speaker 10: that's a big one nutrition healthy meal planning i think
• 33:06
  Speaker 10: the most important one or one of the most important
• 33:09
  Speaker 10: ones is teaching your kids which they don't always learn
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  Speaker 10: in school the value of making a mistake because a
• 33:16
  Speaker 10: traditional a traditional school is really designed it almost punishes
• 33:21
  Speaker 10: kids for making a mistake there's one right answer on
• 33:23
  Speaker 10: the test But in truth, most of life lessons come
• 33:27
  Speaker 10: from making mistakes. So and I love Michael Jordan has
• 33:31
  Speaker 10: a great quote. Kevin, allow me the famous Michael Jordan quote.
• 33:36
  Speaker 10: I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've
• 33:39
  Speaker 10: lost almost 300 games. I failed over and over and
• 33:43
  Speaker 10: over again in my life. And that is why I succeed.
• 33:47
  Speaker 10: So in school, they don't always teach you the value
• 33:49
  Speaker 10: of making mistakes. That that mom and dad is where
• 33:52
  Speaker 10: you come in. Kevin, your thoughts.
• 33:54
  Speaker 11: Well.
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  Speaker 3: We could we could spend four years talking about this
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: topic because I think that you're spot on, first of all.
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  Speaker 3: And everything that we do, it seems like in the
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: classroom is focused on, I think, on some of the
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: least important stuff. If I was going to order it
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: in kind of my own hierarchy. people skills would be
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: number one. So how we interact with one another, how
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: we problem solve, how we do communicate, how we do
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: have give and take on ideas when you're discussing ideas
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: and allowing the other person to speak and be heard
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: and then being allowed to speak and be heard yourself.
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: All of those things are such important skill sets and
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: we do almost none of the We do almost no
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: training on them at all in school growing up. You
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: may have a debate class here. You might have, you know,
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: an oral interp class or something like that. But those
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: classes don't really get into actual people communication skills, the
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: level that you were describing there. And then I would
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: say money, you know, all things associated with it, investing
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: in it, earning it. paying it in taxes, putting it
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: into interest-bearing investments, et cetera. And if we just did
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: two of those things, if we just did a better
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: job of people skills and a little bit on money
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: and the idea of how money works, I think we
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: would be getting our students a lot better of a
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: foundation than we currently do. But those would be the
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: areas I would start in.
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  Speaker 10: Well, Kevin, we'll be talking about some of these in
• 35:31
  Speaker 10: depth over the next couple of weeks at once.
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  Speaker 6: Cool.
• 35:34
  Speaker 10: Mom and dad, there's a role for you to play
• 35:36
  Speaker 10: at home. There's so much that you can teach your
• 35:37
  Speaker 10: kids that can complement with their learning in school.
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: Definitively. All right, Shelly, I always appreciate it. Thank you.
• 35:44
  Speaker 10: Thank you.
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: Kevin McCullough coming right back.
• 35:47
  Speaker 8: Stick around for more of That Kevin. Serving it up
• 36:03
  Speaker 8: with a no-drink minnow.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: It's that Kevin Mac show.
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: All right, Kevin McCullough, glad to have you back with us.
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: It's time to play stuff from social media again. I
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: was playing the game called Playing Stuff from Twitter a
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: couple of weeks ago. This is actually going to come
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: from Instagram, but take a listen. This is James Tallarico.
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: America's newest mental patient freed from his hospital surroundings on CNN,
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: being questioned by a Republican voter in Texas who is
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: questioning him about his faith because of his contradictory statements
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: in recent days. Take a listen.
• 36:48
  Speaker 12: Said some concerning things in the past kind of related
• 36:51
  Speaker 12: to faith and social issues. Things such as God is non-binary,
• 36:55
  Speaker 12: questions about how many genders there really are, and your
• 36:58
  Speaker 12: justifications using the Bible for abortion. And so I think
• 37:01
  Speaker 12: that's led a lot of Christian voters to question the
• 37:04
  Speaker 12: authenticity of your faith. And I wanted to ask you
• 37:07
  Speaker 12: a very direct question. Do you believe that the Bible
• 37:10
  Speaker 12: is the absolute source of truth? And God's final authoritative word,
• 37:15
  Speaker 12: even when our culture says otherwise.
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: All right. I want to say something about the question.
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: First of all, good on this woman, because she worded
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: this question in such a way that it's going to
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: be very revealing how he tries to go about answering this.
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: But take a listen.
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  Speaker 13: And I think it's important to remember that even the
• 37:35
  Speaker 13: early church, the disciples who actually knew Jesus of Nazareth,
• 37:41
  Speaker 13: The early church we often talk about as a singular body,
• 37:45
  Speaker 13: when in reality, it was more like early churches.
• 37:47
  Speaker 9: Because there was a lot of disagreement. There was a
• 37:50
  Speaker 9: lot of debate.
• 37:51
  Speaker 13: And that's something that we should be comfortable with.
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: First of all, she asked him, do you believe that
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: the Bible is a final source of authority? He said, yes.
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: He's now answering the question in such a way as
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: to say, but it doesn't mean anything. It's just a
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: bunch of people that disagree about all this stuff. it
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: can't mean something objective is the essence of his argument.
• 38:16
  Speaker 13: Listen, we as Christians, you and I are both members
• 38:19
  Speaker 13: of the body of Christ. You, you are my sister
• 38:22
  Speaker 13: in Christ and it's okay. If you and I have, uh,
• 38:26
  Speaker 13: disagreements about our interpretations of scripture or certainly about political
• 38:30
  Speaker 13: and policy topics that should be encouraged, not discouraged. And
• 38:34
  Speaker 13: we can do that as we're called to do in scripture,
• 38:37
  Speaker 13: do it with love. And so I actually want to, uh,
• 38:40
  Speaker 13: Clarify a few of the things that you said, because
• 38:42
  Speaker 13: I know that this has been used in these attack
• 38:45
  Speaker 13: ads all over the state about God not being defined
• 38:48
  Speaker 13: by gender. When I said that I was being provocative
• 38:51
  Speaker 13: and I want to admit that and come clean about that.
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: No, really? You thought it would be provocative to say
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: that God was a non-binary being? when he is self-defined
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: by the scriptures that you just said were authoritative as father,
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: as son, you think it would be provocative to say
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: that he's non-binary when he self-defines as father and son?
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: Those aren't neutral categorizations. They're not female categorizations. Interesting.
• 39:24
  Speaker 7: Well, I think what I.
• 39:24
  Speaker 13: Was saying is actually not controversial theologically. The idea that
• 39:29
  Speaker 13: we can't define God using human categories.
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: But that's not what you said. You didn't say that
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: God was beyond being defined by human categories. You called
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: him non-binary. You made voters think that he was in
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: some way a trans individual. That's a world of difference,
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: James Tallarico. And you're not going to get away with
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: lying about it, not as long as Kevin McCullough has
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: a microphone.
• 39:54
  Speaker 13: Not only did I say that, but the late Charlie
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  Speaker 13: Kirk said that. The late Pope Benedict said that.
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  Speaker 3: this happen, but it does. Election after election, the people
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: whose job it is to protect us have become, for
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: one political party, a favorite target around the elections. Not
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: every Democrat, to be fair, not every Democrat feels this way.
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: But there are a lot of Democrats in the party's loudest,
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: most visible places that have kind of built careers on
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: treating law enforcement like a villain as opposed to the
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: protagonist of a story. And that pattern is impossible to
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: ignore anymore. Lie about what officers did, assume the worst motive,
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: and ask questions never. And in California, go so far
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: as to pass a law designed to force plainclothes federal
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: agents to identify themselves publicly by name while doing their jobs,
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: effectively handing out a roadmap for anyone who wanted to
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: target them. Well, this week, yesterday, the nation's most reliably
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: left-leaning federal appeals court looked at that law and said no.
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: So just grasp this for a second. The Ninth Circuit,
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: which is the most overturned circuit at the Supreme Court level,
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: sided with the administration. The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals,
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: a bench that usually rules against the Trump administration on
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: immigration policy, at least it has a lot of times,
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: blocked a provision of California's No Vigilantes Act that would
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: have required federal agents to display their badges and ID
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: numbers during operations. The panel didn't split hairs about it either.
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: They found that the administration was certain to succeed, that's
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: the quote, in its underlying lawsuit and ruled that the
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: law violates the Constitution's supremacy clause, the basic principle that
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: says when federal law and state law collide, the federal
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: law wins. The panel said Section 10 explicitly overrides the
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: federal government's power to determine whether, how, and when to
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  Speaker 3: publicly identify its officers. California argued its requirement didn't really
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  Speaker 3: burden federal operations all that much. The court wasn't interested
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: in weighing degrees of burden at all. The burden of
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: the regulation on federal operations, whether substantial or otherwise, is irrelevant,
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: said the judges. California never had the authority to regulate
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: federal agents in the first place. Full stop. That's what
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: the Ninth Circuit said. Again, they're not friendly to the administration,
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: the Ninth Circuit. So this is a strong rebuke to
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: Newsom and the people in California. Now sit with that
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: for a second, as this ruling comes from the Ninth
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: Circuit especially. The same court that blocked attempts to withhold
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: federal funding from sanctuary cities. Remember when the administration tried
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: to do that? It was the Ninth Circuit that said
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: couldn't do that. This circuit restricted efforts to tighten asylum eligibility.
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: Remember when they said, let's really only take true asylum seekers?
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: This was the court that wouldn't let them do that.
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: This court refused to reinstate Trump's first-term travel ban when
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: it came before them. So nobody of a serious nature
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: calls this court a rubber stamp for the administration. And
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: even this court looked at California's law and recognized it
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: for what it actually was, an attempt to force the
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: identity of individual federal officers into public view under the
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: friendly-sounding banner of accountability in a state where federal agents
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: have already faced doxing campaigns, harassment at their homes, and
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: direct confrontation simply for showing up to work. Governor Gavin Newsom,
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: the man widely assumed to be positioning himself for a
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: 2028 presidential run, has spent the last two years signing
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: a steady stream of legislation aimed at restricting the the
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: federal immigration enforcement inside his state. And this act, the
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: no vigilantes act and a companion act called the no
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: secret police act, um, have been carrying a lot of the,
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: a lot of the weight. Now, federal judge already blocked
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: the mask provision for similar reasons. Now the ID requirement
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: is blocked too. So two separate attempts to make federal
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: agents easier to identify, locate, and target both struck down
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: by courts and, that owe this administration no particular favors.
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: Ask yourself what the actual purpose of a law like
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: that was supposed to be anyway. Think about this. Supporters
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: tell you it's about transparency and accountability. Okay, maybe framing
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: polls well in a press release, maybe saying, well, we're
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: just holding them accountable, just trying to be transparent. But
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: transparency doesn't require broadcasting an individual agent's name and face
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: to anyone with a grudge and a smartphone. Accountability already
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: exists through chains of command, internal review, even the courts,
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: the same courts, notably, that just ruled against this exact question.
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: What a law like this actually does, intentionally or not,
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: is make it easier for someone who wants to confront, harass,
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: harm a specific federal officer to know exactly who they're
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: looking for. California tried to legislate that presumption away. Even
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: the Ninth Circuit wasn't willing to go along with it.
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: Law enforcement isn't the enemy. They haven't been. They are
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: not now. It never was. And it's long past time
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: the politicians treating it that way face to court, then
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: a voter, and a mirror honest enough to tell them
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: what's so. I'm tired of us making out Law enforcement officers,
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: whether it's ICE, FBI, Secret Service, police, sheriffs. Is there
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: a bad apple from time to time? Yeah. But are
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: there good ones? Every single day. 90% plus of all
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: of the hundreds of thousands of law enforcement officers serving
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: in law enforcement across the country in the 99 percentile.
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: are decent, honorable people trying to keep their communities safe
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: and free from criminals and the actions that come along
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: with criminal activity. I'm grateful. I'm grateful for everybody from
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: the NYPD all the way up to the Secret Service
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: and everything in between, which is why I teach my
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: kids to have respect for them and without any other
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: question to follow their instructions when asked. You want to have,
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: you know, recourse to do something about, you know, these
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: types of things. You can have the recourse, but what
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: you need, what you desperately need is Good people serving
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: in law enforcement and good laws protecting them so that
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: they can protect the good people from the bad ones.
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  Speaker 3: And nowhere is that more important than in the communities
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  Speaker 3: that are really taken advantage of by the bad.
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  Speaker 10: Ones.
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  Speaker 3: You want to talk to people who appreciate law enforcement?
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: Talk to people in really crime-ravaged neighborhoods. They are thankful.
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  Speaker 3: Kevin McCullough, we've got a big hour straight ahead. Don't
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  Speaker 3: all things. We haven't talked energy in a little while, Gabriella.
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: What is, you know, we're worried about the Iran conflict
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: bleeding us into high gas prices all the way through
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: the election. But oil is down. The crude barrel price
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: is down from the peak of the war. Why are
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: the prices still high?
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  Speaker 14: The state of energy, I would say, is largely good.
• 51:56
  Speaker 14: And we've talked about it, even with the Iran war
• 51:59
  Speaker 14: in the mix and some of the geopolitical pressures, because
• 52:02
  Speaker 14: a lot of these commodities, crude oil and diesel, are
• 52:05
  Speaker 14: still traded globally. And not that they wouldn't be globally
• 52:08
  Speaker 14: traded in the future if America is dominating here. It
• 52:10
  Speaker 14: would just look a little bit different, the landscape. But
• 52:14
  Speaker 14: different gas stations set prices. I wouldn't accuse them of gouging,
• 52:18
  Speaker 14: but it largely goes into gas taxes.
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  Speaker 11: Federal, state taxes.
• 52:23
  Speaker 14: Other factors and maybe there are some people taking advantage
• 52:26
  Speaker 14: of what is happening in the Strait of Hormuz.
• 52:29
  Speaker 11: So perhaps they're setting prices that way.
• 52:30
  Speaker 14: But for the most part, you have these added gas taxes,
• 52:33
  Speaker 14: which could help alleviate prices, too.
• 52:34
  Speaker 11: It's not just what's happening geopolitically.
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  Speaker 14: But if you're in California, you're paying a gas tax
• 52:40
  Speaker 14: of an almost an additional dollar.
• 52:42
  Speaker 11: Per gallon.
• 52:44
  Speaker 14: And some other states, maybe 50 cents, however much it is,
• 52:46
  Speaker 14: that could offer some relief to it as well.
• 52:48
  Speaker 11: But thankfully, we're not at the.
• 52:50
  Speaker 14: Highest gas rates in history because people forget, they have
• 52:54
  Speaker 14: short-term memories that rates were much higher under Biden. It
• 52:58
  Speaker 14: was $ 5, even for a shorter period of time. But
• 53:00
  Speaker 14: people feel that these $ 4 rates, $ 4 per gallon rates
• 53:04
  Speaker 14: are more protracted.
• 53:05
  Speaker 10: It's longer.
• 53:06
  Speaker 11: People aren't easy. It's the midterm. And it is uncomfortable.
• 53:09
  Speaker 11: Nobody wants to see these higher prices.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: They want to see them go back.
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: Prior to the start of the Iran conflict, prices were
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: headed down. They were in the upper twos, lower threes
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: for a lot of people. And we just haven't seen
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: that since. And I believe the president when he says, look,
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: as soon as the conflict is done, we will have
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: lower gas prices again. But again, I go back. He's
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: got control of the strait. We're getting a lot of
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: oil through the strait. I incentivize domestic production. So I
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: think we have plenty of oil. I just haven't seen
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: the price hit the pump yet.
• 53:47
  Speaker 14: That's due to a refining issue, Kevin, as we've talked
• 53:51
  Speaker 14: about briefly before and what I try to do when
• 53:52
  Speaker 14: we talk on behalf of the center to different.
• 53:55
  Speaker 11: Media outlets like yours.
• 53:56
  Speaker 14: And that is due to a lack of, I would say,
• 53:59
  Speaker 14: interest to build more capacity here. We haven't had a
• 54:02
  Speaker 14: new refinery open in this country for decades. There are
• 54:05
  Speaker 14: a couple in motion that should be approved and hopefully
• 54:08
  Speaker 14: coming in line, but in the next few years and
• 54:10
  Speaker 14: If you're producing all this oil and you want to
• 54:12
  Speaker 14: refine it, if you can't match that demand, that's why
• 54:16
  Speaker 14: the prices are going to kind of be a little
• 54:18
  Speaker 14: stickier than they should be because we're not building things
• 54:20
  Speaker 14: in America. And the infrastructure to support the harnessing and
• 54:25
  Speaker 14: the refining and the delivery of energy, which we need
• 54:28
  Speaker 14: to stay dominant, to see those prices lower. And that
• 54:31
  Speaker 14: is largely because of the lack of expedited permitting reform.
• 54:34
  Speaker 14: And as we're talking now, Kevin, It seems that there
• 54:37
  Speaker 14: is an appetite. Democrats and Republicans have come together to
• 54:40
  Speaker 14: support a pretty decent permitting reform bill.
• 54:43
  Speaker 11: The Senate proposed their bill.
• 54:45
  Speaker 14: The House has passed it several times, but now the
• 54:46
  Speaker 14: Senate has finally put something a decent framework together. It's
• 54:50
  Speaker 14: not perfect, but it's the best we can get, because if.
• 54:53
  Speaker 14: We assume that Democrats take full control of Congress. What
• 54:56
  Speaker 14: they would put out there would have nothing remotely, I
• 54:59
  Speaker 14: would say, even killed as like what we're seeing right now,
• 55:03
  Speaker 14: because they would only want to prefer renewables. And even
• 55:06
  Speaker 14: I will give kudos to Sheldon Whitehouse and some of
• 55:08
  Speaker 14: the negotiators on the Democrat side and in the Senate,
• 55:11
  Speaker 14: like they actually put aside their kind of hubris and
• 55:13
  Speaker 14: ego to say like, OK, yes, we all agree.
• 55:15
  Speaker 11: We need permitting reform.
• 55:16
  Speaker 6: So.
• 55:17
  Speaker 14: Very pleased to see that the only people unhappy are
• 55:19
  Speaker 14: the environmental NGOs. So if we build more in America
• 55:22
  Speaker 14: through an expedited process to allow more things to come
• 55:25
  Speaker 14: online quicker, guaranteed it's going to take several years for
• 55:27
  Speaker 14: a lot of these new projects to be fully functional.
• 55:31
  Speaker 14: We wouldn't be having this problem with prices if we
• 55:34
  Speaker 14: were already building more capacity. It's great to have production,
• 55:36
  Speaker 14: but we need to meet that refining side.
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: Do you think that Mike Johnson has what he needs
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: to get that Senate bill passed on the House side?
• 55:45
  Speaker 14: Early indications to me show that it might be tricky,
• 55:49
  Speaker 14: but perhaps you'll be able to whip the votes if
• 55:52
  Speaker 14: if let's say in the Senate, they get 70 votes.
• 55:54
  Speaker 14: I keep hearing from people I talk to that likely
• 55:58
  Speaker 14: it could have a pretty high vote threshold, which would
• 56:00
  Speaker 14: be nice beyond the closure requirements of 60 votes.
• 56:03
  Speaker 11: And pass the vote of.
• 56:04
  Speaker 14: Cloture and then also go to a full House vote
• 56:06
  Speaker 14: and likely get the passage and the votes there probably
• 56:09
  Speaker 14: in the 60s, 70s, far beyond the cloture vote threshold
• 56:12
  Speaker 14: they need. So if that happens, that should translate to
• 56:15
  Speaker 14: the House, you would think. And I wouldn't say it
• 56:18
  Speaker 14: would be the fault of the Speaker if he can't
• 56:20
  Speaker 14: whip up the votes.
• 56:20
  Speaker 11: It just seems like the Democrats there don't have an appetite.
• 56:24
  Speaker 14: Although a good handful of Democrats did support the Speed
• 56:27
  Speaker 14: Act from Bruce Westerman, chairman of Natural Resources. So it
• 56:30
  Speaker 14: It remains to be seen what will happen if people if,
• 56:32
  Speaker 14: let's say, Democrats take over Congress. Do they want to
• 56:36
  Speaker 14: do anything in the lame duck session?
• 56:37
  Speaker 11: Maybe not.
• 56:38
  Speaker 14: If they're that politically charged, maybe there will be some
• 56:41
  Speaker 14: good faith effort. I'm not sure what to surmise from that.
• 56:45
  Speaker 14: But but the speaker does have a. He will feel,
• 56:48
  Speaker 14: you know, if the president tweets, please pass permitting reform,
• 56:51
  Speaker 14: please pass Baja, he's going to have an incentive to
• 56:54
  Speaker 14: get something across the line, a House version. So it
• 56:57
  Speaker 14: would be helpful if the president did tweet because people
• 57:00
  Speaker 14: get signals from him from his tweet.
• 57:01
  Speaker 11: So if he indicates, I need this passed now in
• 57:03
  Speaker 11: the lame duck session.
• 57:05
  Speaker 14: I assume the Speaker of the House will follow and
• 57:07
  Speaker 14: whip up the necessary votes and try to get some
• 57:09
  Speaker 14: Democrat votes. But it already had gotten some support in
• 57:12
  Speaker 14: the House, the initial SPEED Act, the first permitting reform
• 57:15
  Speaker 14: version bill.
• 57:16
  Speaker 11: But we'll see. Dynamics are quickly changing.
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: It will be interesting because the election is going to
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: decide so much. Let's talk about data centers for a second. Obviously,
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: the data centers have to exist for AI to be
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: functional and for AI to be dominant version of AI
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: that we're going to need for our national security to
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: be able to keep other countries in check. I don't
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: really want any limitations put on that. Yes, build the
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: data center in my backyard if you have to. We
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: need it that badly.
• 57:48
  Speaker 14: What a lot of Americans don't know, and this is
• 57:50
  Speaker 14: not to dismiss any concerns, because of course, with any
• 57:52
  Speaker 14: infrastructure project, you should know what the trade-offs are. You
• 57:55
  Speaker 14: should know what potential risks there could be. But living
• 57:58
  Speaker 14: in Northern Virginia, a county over from data center alley,
• 58:01
  Speaker 14: and I'm actually going to be visiting a data center
• 58:03
  Speaker 14: for the first time very soon to see what it's
• 58:05
  Speaker 14: all about to get go behind the go behind the
• 58:08
  Speaker 14: emerald curtain, so to speak, and see what's really there.
• 58:11
  Speaker 14: But living here in Virginia up until recently, data centers
• 58:14
  Speaker 14: were not impacting data. much with air quality, prices for
• 58:18
  Speaker 14: electricity and the like.
• 58:20
  Speaker 11: But a lot of people have used them as a scapegoat.
• 58:23
  Speaker 14: Some have used the water issue, which can be a
• 58:25
  Speaker 14: concern if you're not using closed loop recycling or if
• 58:27
  Speaker 14: you're not using chips, which a lot of these data
• 58:30
  Speaker 14: centers are starting to adopt as they become more technologically
• 58:32
  Speaker 14: advanced and enhanced. They have to be very mindful and
• 58:36
  Speaker 14: conscious of the resources that they potentially could be using.
• 58:38
  Speaker 14: They don't want to tap into municipal drinking water because
• 58:41
  Speaker 14: that would make water.
• 58:42
  Speaker 11: More expensive, make it more scarce.
• 58:44
  Speaker 14: But we had the Potomac spill, as you recall, and
• 58:46
  Speaker 14: I remember seeing some environmental groups saying, well, it's the
• 58:48
  Speaker 14: Potomac spill that's making the Potomac the most endangered river,
• 58:51
  Speaker 14: but it's also data centers. And that was the first
• 58:53
  Speaker 14: time I ever heard them use data center as a
• 58:55
  Speaker 14: As a punching bag. And to me, I'm like, that's
• 58:57
  Speaker 14: politically opportunistic. I'd never seen it before. But again, that
• 59:01
  Speaker 14: doesn't that doesn't dismiss, let's say, out west where there
• 59:04
  Speaker 14: are water quality issues, let's say, in the Colorado River Basin.
• 59:06
  Speaker 11: Do you want to build a data center close to there?
• 59:08
  Speaker 11: People will decide whether or not that will.
• 59:10
  Speaker 6: Happen.
• 59:10
  Speaker 14: And there are data centers being built in that basin
• 59:12
  Speaker 14: that comprises a lot of western states, the region that
• 59:16
  Speaker 14: I come from originally in California and whatnot.
• 59:18
  Speaker 11: But data center.
• 59:19
  Speaker 14: Developers, they know that people may not like their projects.
• 59:24
  Speaker 14: And I would say some of the fanfare may decrease
• 59:26
  Speaker 14: after the election. But Kevin, right now, as we're talking,
• 59:29
  Speaker 14: you look at the polling, is the data center issue
• 59:31
  Speaker 14: animating voters? It's actually very much at the bottom. It's
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  Speaker 14: only like 1% of people saying that's the primary motivation.
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  Speaker 3: They're putting it in every commercial. And there's one congressional
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: race here in New York where it's like, and the
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: people that are on the side, of each one, I
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: kind of think they should be on the opposite sides
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: of it. Like I'm not expecting the one arguing for
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: it to be the one that is, but they're trying
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: to make it a lightning rod. You're telling me that
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: it's not impacting voters.
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  Speaker 14: Not currently. It might be used great for ads. Like
• 59:58
  Speaker 14: it sells for ads in polling right now. And even
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  Speaker 14: with questionable methodology shows that data sets are not popular.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 14: And I think it goes back to a couple of
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 14: the executives, the two in particular who wanted to have
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 14: regulatory capture saying, well, it's going to upend your life
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 14: in a negative way.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 11: You just have to deal with it. But regulate us, please, because.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 14: And let's root out any competition of people who might
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 14: be better than us in the data center front, in
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 14: the AI front, or superintelligence front, however you want to
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 14: phrase it, because they want to capture– they want to
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 14: have a monopoly over AI technology, which would be a
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 14: detriment to the United States.
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  Speaker 11: We don't want just having two companies dominate.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 14: We want the best and the brightest to win and
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 14: deliver products and services that will make us competitively at
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 14: an advantage, help make life easier, because this is much
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 14: like energy– abundance where if you're producing more electricity producing
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 14: more things are going to naturally innovate and consumption is
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 14: not a bad thing people are consuming data from data
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 14: centers because we are so hooked to our phones you
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 14: know like you can't have you can't have daily life.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: Without your phone has an ai assistant Every single app
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: on the phone has one.
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  Speaker 14: Every action and function we do on our phones, on
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 14: the computers we're talking with, it is backed up by
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 14: interactions from data centers. So daily life would be much
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 14: more complicated, not as good, if we get rid of
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 14: that from the equation. So unless we stop our consumption,
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 14: whether it's energy or data functions.
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  Speaker 11: You're going to be dependent on this technology, and you're
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 11: going to need something to back up it because it
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 11: doesn't just exist.
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  Speaker 3: From the get-go.
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  Speaker 11: It has to have some backing infrastructure.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: Let's do it the right way, but let's admit that
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: we've got to do it. Gabby Hoffman, thank you for
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: all that you do. Thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 11: Thanks, Kevin. Good to talk to you.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: Kevin McKellar coming right back from New York. Don't go anywhere.
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  Speaker 1: Stick around for more of That Kevin.
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  Speaker 12: Next.
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  Speaker 1: From New York, that Kevin, Kevin McCullough.
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  Speaker 3: It is the time of year where we get to
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: say Merry Christmas.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 10: What?
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  Speaker 3: To someone who is going to have a wonderful Christmas
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: this year because of Christian Solidarity International, because of you,
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: because of us doing this together, because of God working
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: in people's hearts, because of God making a way for
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: all of it to happen. A woman is going to
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  Speaker 3: receive the best Christmas present she's ever received as a
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: Christian who's not been allowed to practice Christmas. her worship
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: of Jesus Christ in most of the last few years.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: We're talking about enslaved women primarily in northern Sudan who
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: were taken as a spoil of war. You know, when
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: they go in and they kill everything and they knock
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: everything over, they take the women as slaves. They take
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 3: them as personal possessions. And these women have been mistreated
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: badly for the last 15 to 20 to 30 years,
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: depending on how old they are. And Todd Chapman is
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 3: back with us from Christian Solidarity International to tell us
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: about it. And Todd, these stories, and I've read just
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: like you, I've read hundreds of them over the last 10,
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: 15 years that we've done this. But I never allow
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  Speaker 3: myself to get desensitized to the amount of pain that
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 3: they go through because every one of them is a
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: person and every one of them has been treated with
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: pretty horrific circumstances. But there's a story about a young
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: woman named Adut that you have. And it's interesting. Sudanese
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  Speaker 3: names sound a little different to our Western ears, but
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  Speaker 3: this woman's name was Adut. What happened to her?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 9: So when she was seven years of age, she was
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 9: abducted during that that civil war, during that conflict, when,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 9: you know, militants were allowed to go in and raid
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 9: Christian villages. And she and her mother were they were
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 9: just walking on their way home back from someplace to
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  Speaker 9: their home. And they found him along the path and
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  Speaker 9: they abducted them. And so they were taken into North Sudan.
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  Speaker 9: It was separated from her mom. I don't know what
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  Speaker 9: happened to her mom. She doesn't seem to even know
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  Speaker 9: what happened to her mom. But she was put to work,
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 9: seven years of age, put to work cleaning, washing clothes,
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 9: gathering firewood, just anything that needed to be done around
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 9: her slave's master's home. That's what she did. And she
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 9: was also, you know, at seven years of age, raised
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  Speaker 9: in a Christian family, in a Christian village. She was
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 9: also began to be abused in every way you can imagine.
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  Speaker 9: And she was forced to abandon practicing her Christian faith. And,
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 9: you know, they said, you're going to convert to Islam.
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  Speaker 9: So she even lost her faith. Now, the interesting thing is, though,
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  Speaker 9: and they do that to pretty much all these slaves,
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 9: but so many of them keep it tucked inside.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 9: They're like, OK, well, maybe you say I can't pray
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 9: and I have to, you know, acknowledge another God, your God,
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 9: not my God.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 9: And so they keep praying and praying for deliverance. After
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 9: 23 years, 23 years. Adjuta is 30 years old now
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  Speaker 9: and finally was rescued by one of our slave retrievers,
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 9: found her at a market, began to converse with her.
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  Speaker 9: you know, confirmed that she was indeed a slave and said,
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 9: do you, I can help get you free. Would you
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 9: be willing to come with me? And she said, yes.
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  Speaker 9: And she's now back in South Sudan and she's making
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  Speaker 9: a new life empowered by your compassion, your generosity and
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 9: the bag of folk and the goat that you provide
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 9: when you give a gift of $ 250. What a beautiful, man,
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 9: what a beautiful picture of God's deliverance grace, right? I mean,
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 9: if you look at the Bible, the Bible is just
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  Speaker 9: one big giant rescue story. with a lot of rescue
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  Speaker 9: stories contained within it. And we're supposed to continue that story. Slavery, friends,
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  Speaker 9: is not dead. It is actually more vibrant in various
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 9: forms than ever before globally. And it is just incumbent, Kevin,
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  Speaker 9: upon God's people to, number one, be aware of opportunities
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 9: to free slaves, whether it's Sudan or Pakistan or Nigeria
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 9: or multiple countries in Africa. Slavery everywhere. And we can
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 9: do something about it. You just need to, number one,
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 9: be aware it's a problem and then say, God, what
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 9: would you have me do? I cannot imagine if it
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 9: were me or my child or my grandchild that was
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 9: abducted and taken to another country and abused in every way.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 9: Most of us would stop at nothing. We're at our
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 9: family member. Well, look, all we have to do is
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 9: give money. You don't have to go to Sudan. You
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 9: don't have to get on a plane. You don't have
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 9: to risk yourself at all. CSI is doing all of that.
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  Speaker 9: But we need God's people to step in and empower
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  Speaker 9: God's liberation of these precious people.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 3: And I just want to say, 888-342-1010, I just want
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  Speaker 3: to say that because of you, those of you listening
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 3: to this show, again, from Anchorage, Alaska to Miami, from
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 3: San Diego up to Kennebuckport, like everywhere in between, there's
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: like 400 cities that are hearing us right now. Because
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 3: of you, over the last several years, nearly 4,000 people, women,
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 3: sometimes their children with them, have been given the freedom
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 3: to of liberation and finding life, starting over again, getting
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 3: a brand new lease on life, if you will. And
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 3: that touches me, friends, because that's a lot of human
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: lives that we've had impact with in a very direct,
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 3: tangible way. And this year, our goal is to liberate
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  Speaker 3: another 230 or so that we want to make sure
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  Speaker 3: we have their names, the retrievers know where they are,
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: some of their negotiations are already underway. And maybe you're
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 3: one of those people that said, Kev, I'm very burdened
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 3: by this. How can I do something that really impacts it? Well,
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 3: a gift of twenty five thousand dollars would liberate. What
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  Speaker 3: is that? One hundred slaves?
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  Speaker 4: No.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's correct.
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  Speaker 12: A hundred.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: A hundred slaves.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: A hundred slaves. So that would be, in essence, an amazing,
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: huge impact right away into the life of these slaves.
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  Speaker 3: But maybe you could do ten at twenty five hundred.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe you could do one a month at 250 a
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 3: month and over the course of the year, liberate 12.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 3: Maybe you can do $ 25 a month and liberate a
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  Speaker 3: slave in the next year. Whatever God puts on your heart,
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 3: he certainly is big enough to be able to help
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  Speaker 3: you to achieve it. So follow his leading and do
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  Speaker 3: what he says, because I know that there will be
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: a wonderful result at the other end. Thank you for
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 3: considering it. Thank you for doing it.
• 1:08:20
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  Speaker 3: You can also do it online at thatkevinshow.com. Just click
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• 1:08:30
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  Speaker 1: From New York, that Kevin.
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  Speaker 4: Kevin McCullough.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 3: Welcome back to Times Square. Kevin McCullough, That Kevin Show.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 3: Thatkevinshow.com for all things related. Always glad to have you
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 3: with us. You know, in addition to the kind of
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 3: commentary on the day's events and what's going on, I'd
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: love to be an advocate for family-friendly and family-safe and
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: meaningful gospel-centered entertainment programs that you can actually develop discussions
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: out of and sometimes help people find answers to questions
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 3: they don't even know they're asking. My next guest has
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 3: been doing that kind of from the beginning, at least
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 3: in the modern era. He and his brothers kind of
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 3: revolutionizing what people perceived Christian film to be about. Alex
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: Kendrick is his name. And beside him, Daniel Friesen, who
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 3: also joins us, who's a producer on the current project.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 3: But Alex, welcome back. It's always good to see you.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 3: I remember being on the set many years ago in
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 3: Georgia on the set of Courageous, I think it was.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 3: And you had just shot some stuff in 4K. You
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 3: were so excited about how technology was changing. And as
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 3: you look back, I mean, going all the way back
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 3: to Flywheel, which was the original film that you guys
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 3: kind of started everything from. How does it feel to
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 3: kind of be looked upon as kind of one of
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 3: the fathers of modern Christian film? I mean, you weren't
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 3: doing the scary revelation pictures like that, you know, we
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 3: saw in churches growing up in the 70s. You were
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 3: making real movies that had real heart and real story
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: and people were really moved by them. And you and
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 3: your brothers kind of got all that kicked off.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, we're grateful.
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  Speaker 7: To still be learning to do it well. We believe
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 7: in chasing excellence, but we basically asked God, would you
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 7: give us favor and point us in the right direction?
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 3: And we learned along the way.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 7: So this one is actually our 10th feature film.
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  Speaker 3: And so grateful for it.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 7: And so, yeah, I don't mind being in this.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 3: You were prepping sermons in your study. Did you did
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 3: you have this vision?
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  Speaker 7: We wanted to do it, but to survive the first one. And,
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 7: you know, making movies is a bigger deal than anyone thinks.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 7: And it's like putting together a thousand piece puzzle. But
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 7: if the Lord's with you, then you can move forward.
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  Speaker 3: OK, so this Friday here in the States and then
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  Speaker 3: next month in Brazil, you're Re-releasing or releasing anew? I
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 3: don't know how to really put this into words. The
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 3: original story that you and Stephen brought to the film,
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 3: brought to the screen many years ago, Flywheel, Ignition of
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 3: the Soul. Tell me why now is the time to
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: kind of go back to your first film.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 7: We made the first one in 2003. It was meant
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 7: for the community in Albany, Georgia. And we spent $ 20, 000
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 7: making it. The only thing we really did right was
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 7: pray our way through the story. It's many people's favorite story.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 7: And the Lord had bigger plans because he exploded it.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 7: It sold over one point three million DVDs. I mean,
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 7: Blockbuster picked it up. For those of you who know
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 7: who Blockbuster is. Well, what's a Blockbuster?
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 7: A rental rental store. And but it did so well.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 7: And we always wanted to remake it in 4K. And
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 7: as we made the movies, Facing the Giants, Fireproof Courage,
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 7: War Room, all the others, we were like, OK, we
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 7: need to bring this one back and give it new life.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 7: And a year ago, we were in Rio de Janeiro
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 7: and we did a boot camp with a lot of
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 7: talented filmmakers there that want to honor the Lord with
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 7: their craft. And we were praying about what project could
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 7: we shoot with them. And we said, wow, we've always
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 7: wanted to give new life to Flywheel. It's one of
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 7: our favorite stories. We called Sony. We prayed, Lord, if
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 7: you're in this, would you open the door? We called Sony, said,
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 7: would you let us reshoot this? Sony said, not only
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 7: will we fund it, we'll release it. And we were like, Lord, wow.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 7: He made it very clear. Churches jumped on board. We
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 7: found people like Daniel who helped us produce it in Brazil.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 7: He lives in Brazil. And it was such a great experience.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 7: So now people get to see a much better version
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 7: of Flywheel with talented cast and crew.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And that's this weekend, friends. It is in theaters. If
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 3: you've just been hearing about it recently, it's coming to
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 3: the big screen this weekend. Daniel, let me ask you
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 3: a kind of a big question because we're being seen
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 3: and heard right now and everywhere from Anchorage, Alaska to Miami,
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 3: Florida and San Diego up to Kennebunkport, Maine and kind
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 3: of everywhere in between. Does Christian oriented film translate into
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 3: other cultures effectively from America? And what was your experience
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 3: before doing the boot camp with the Kendrick Brothers? Like
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 3: what is the state of like Brazilian Christian film these days?
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  Speaker 15: It's a good question. It's good to be on your show, sir.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 15: And I think we need content out there that transforms people.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 15: You can say whatever you want about content that you
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 15: consume over social networking, podcasts, talks, shows, events, streaming sessions,
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 15: all this. But we need content that transforms people and
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 15: their homes. We're living in a time where families are being....
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 7: We don't just want to serve you cotton candy for
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 7: your eyes and ears. There's plenty of that out there.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 7: But you want your meals to not only be delicious,
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 7: but nutritious. You want to walk away from a meal saying, yes,
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 7: I'm full, but it was also good for me and
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 7: enjoyable to eat. Those are the films we want to
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 7: make that you are very engaged in the story. You
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 7: see a little bit of yourself on the screen. And yes,
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 7: you laugh, cry and enjoy the journey. But by the
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 7: time you finish watching it, you leave thinking, wow, I
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 7: could take a better step in my marriage and my
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 7: parenting and my business and my faith to to to
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 7: grow as a person. And to get closer to God.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 7: So if that's the end result of people watching one
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 7: of our films, that is that is the perfect fruit
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 7: that we want to see. And so people will experience
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 7: that when they watch this new flywheel.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 3: I want I want you to for people that weren't
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 3: around 20 something years ago. Talk to us about the
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 3: and without giving us spoilers. Talk to us about the
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 3: story of flywheel itself. Yep.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 7: Used car salesman goes to the largest church in his
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 7: town to be seen to get customers. One day, the
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 7: pastor of that church comes, buys a used car. The
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 7: used car salesman deceives the pastor. But before he drives off,
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 7: the pastor says, hey, let me pray for you. And
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 7: the pastor prays, God, would you bless this car I
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 7: just got? And what a good deal. Thank you for
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  Speaker 7: this car salesman. God, I ask that you treat him
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  Speaker 7: the way he treated me. And the car salesman is like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 7: And so it takes the car salesman down a path
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  Speaker 7: of realizing he's not the man he intended to become.
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  Speaker 7: He lacks integrity. He's not the husband, father he intended
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  Speaker 7: to be. And it ends up breaking him. And he
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  Speaker 7: turns to the Lord, gives his heart, his business to
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  Speaker 7: the Lord. And some very interesting things happen. Things get
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  Speaker 7: worse before they get better. But some surprising twists are
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  Speaker 7: there that have inspired audiences. A lot of people say
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  Speaker 7: this is their favorite story we've done. So they're going
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  Speaker 7: to love this. It is going to move you and
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  Speaker 7: challenge you. We shot it in Portuguese. You can see
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  Speaker 7: it either in Portuguese with English subtitles or an English dub.
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  Speaker 7: for Americans in theaters, but I promise it's worth seeing,
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  Speaker 7: and it is going to inspire you.
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  Speaker 3: All right. Flywheel, what's the website if people want to
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  Speaker 3: go and find out more about.
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  Speaker 6: Tickets and such?
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  Speaker 7: Flywheelmovie.com. Flywheelmovie.com. Find tickets, theaters. We have a curriculum and
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  Speaker 7: a Bible study to go along with it.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I thought you might, because you guys do that
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  Speaker 3: with almost every one of your films, which is great.
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  Speaker 3: Flywheelmovie.com is where you go. Flywheelmovie.com. Go and check it
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  Speaker 3: out this weekend, opening Friday night, Kevin McCullough coming right
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  Speaker 3: back from New York. Guys, thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you. Thank you.
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  Speaker 8: Stick around for more of That Kevin next.
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  Speaker 1: Serving it up with a no-drink minimum. It's That Kevin Show.
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  Speaker 3: All right, Kevin McCullough, glad to have you with us.
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  Speaker 3: Final few thoughts for this period of time together, friends,
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  Speaker 3: about Christian Solidarity International and why it's so important. Look,
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  Speaker 3: I'm never going to apologize for asking you to give
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  Speaker 3: to great causes. I have told you that from the beginning.
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  Speaker 3: This is part of my expression of gratitude back to
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  Speaker 3: God for the honor and the privilege and the humble
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  Speaker 3: coolness that it is to get to do what I
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  Speaker 3: do for a living every day. And it wouldn't be
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  Speaker 3: possible had he not said, this is what I'm calling
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  Speaker 3: you to. But because of that, I want to use
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  Speaker 3: a portion of this platform every single day for his
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 3: glory and to do things that advance his kingdom. And
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 3: Todd Chapman is back with us from Christian Solidarity International.
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  Speaker 3: And Todd, as I have had the chance to not
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  Speaker 3: just advocate for CSI on the air over the years,
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  Speaker 3: but to get to know the organization and to see
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  Speaker 3: how it operates and to understand the biblical efficiency with
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 3: which they take their stewardship and the extreme care that
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  Speaker 3: is taken with every gift that is given and the
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  Speaker 3: integrity behind all of that. I have to say, not
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  Speaker 3: only are they doing incredible things, they're one of the
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  Speaker 3: best organizations I've ever had the chance to be part of.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 3: And that's why I continue to sing their praises long
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  Speaker 3: after we're not on the air anymore. Like this is
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  Speaker 3: one of my passion organizations that I really, really mean
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 3: it when I say this, I believe that they are
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  Speaker 3: doing God's work in every aspect.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, I kind of feel like it's David against Goliath
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  Speaker 9: in a lot of ways. You know, we're not a
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 9: big organization. Many people have never heard of us every
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 9: time we do a radio campaign. And you may be
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 9: hearing about CSI, Christian Solidarity International, for the very first time.
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  Speaker 9: But man, just because, you know, God has just blessed us.
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  Speaker 9: And that's because we're just committed to doing what he
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  Speaker 9: says in his word, which is to set captives free
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  Speaker 9: and inviting other people to do that. And so over
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  Speaker 9: the past, you know, 30 plus years. over, get this
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  Speaker 9: friends over. And this is not me boasting on CSI.
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  Speaker 9: This is me boasting on God and boasting on our
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  Speaker 9: generous donors that have made this possible. Over 160,000 human
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  Speaker 9: beings freed from captivity. Yes, but also the worst possible
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 9: abuse that you could imagine. Verbal, physical, psychological, sexual. I mean,
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  Speaker 9: any form of abuse that a human being can endure,
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  Speaker 9: these slaves have been subjected to that. And it's gone
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  Speaker 9: on for decades. And also children now have been born
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  Speaker 9: into that. And I'm really excited about that because if
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  Speaker 9: you free a mom right now, more than ever before,
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  Speaker 9: we've been able to negotiate not just the freedom of
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  Speaker 9: the mom, but the freedom of a child. So for $ 250... Man,
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  Speaker 9: you can liberate two human beings, one that has already
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  Speaker 9: endured decades of abuse, but one that if we don't
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 9: get them free, we'll also suffer that. Yeah, we're preventing that.
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  Speaker 9: So it's so beautiful. I just wanted to real quickly
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  Speaker 9: give you a little encouragement. I'm looking at Isaiah 61.1.
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  Speaker 9: And what you're invited to do right now checks every
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  Speaker 9: box in this verse. You can check four beautiful biblical
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  Speaker 9: opportunities right there with your gift right now. $ 250. You
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  Speaker 9: set a captive free. You equip them to step into
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  Speaker 9: a new life and freedom. And man, hands going up
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  Speaker 9: in heaven for every gift that you give because that's
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 9: another human being freed.
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  Speaker 3: 888-342-1010 is the number where that takes place.
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  Speaker 10: 888-342-1010.
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  Speaker 3: And you may be saying, well, Kev, why wouldn't they
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  Speaker 3: liberate the kids if the moms are being liberated? Well,
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  Speaker 3: the slave master views that child who he impregnated the
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 3: slave with as his property, too.
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  Speaker 9: Kind of theirs, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And so the idea that we're able to talk him
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  Speaker 3: out of a future generation of a slave, which if
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  Speaker 3: it's a young boy is a very valuable thing to
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 3: his calculations, is a God thing. And it did not
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  Speaker 3: happen for many, many years that I was involved with CSI.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 3: It has begun happening over the last two to three years,
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  Speaker 3: and we couldn't be more excited about it because it
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  Speaker 3: saves every one of those kids from that horrific future themselves. 888-342-1010. 888-342-1010.
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  Speaker 3: If you want to know more, go to thatkevinshow.com. Click
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  Speaker 3: the CSI banner at the top of the page. You
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 3: can read further when you click through there. There's lots
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 3: of information about what the program consists of. Just check
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  Speaker 3: it out and then be as generous as you can.
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  Speaker 6: 888-342-1010. 888-342-1010.
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  Speaker 3: Or go to thatkevinshow.com, click the CSI banner, thatkevinshow.com.