Latest / Solomonster Sounds Off / Sound Off 929 - BREAKING NEWS On Andrade's WWE Release, WrestleMania In Saudi Arabia And More!
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- 0:00Speaker 1: This is episode nine to twenty nine of The Solemn
- 0:04Speaker 1: Monster Sounds Off for Sunday, September fourteenth, twenty twenty five.
- 0:10Speaker 1: It's been a rough weekend. I spend most of my
- 0:13Speaker 1: day yesterday at the hospital. A close family member, really,
- 0:18Speaker 1: one of the only close family members that my brother
- 0:20Speaker 1: and I have left an hour immediate family circle, at
- 0:24Speaker 1: a very bad accident at home and is paralyzed from
- 0:29Speaker 1: the waist down.
- 0:30Speaker 2: She's in surgery right now.
- 0:32Speaker 1: It's a very risky twelve hour operation that they started
- 0:36Speaker 1: last night. It might give her a fighting chance to
- 0:40Speaker 1: regain feeling in that part of her body, but right now,
- 0:44Speaker 1: I just want her to make it through okay. And
- 0:47Speaker 1: there's not a whole lot for us to do other
- 0:49Speaker 1: than wait for an update. So this will be a
- 0:51Speaker 1: way for me to take my mind off things for
- 0:53Speaker 1: a bit. And there was a lot of news this week,
- 0:56Speaker 1: even in just the last twenty four hours. We got
- 0:59Speaker 1: to talk about Dropped Gone from WWE, WrestleMania coming to
- 1:04Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia, Wressell Palooza predictions, How ridiculous does that sound?
- 1:09Speaker 1: Wressell Palooza predictions, Warner Brothers Discovery could soon end up
- 1:14Speaker 1: under new ownership, what that could mean for Ae w
- 1:17Speaker 1: Wardlow already injured, all out predictions and more. If you
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- 1:33Speaker 1: the Portland pop star Paul Hamilton. Paul, that was very
- 1:36Speaker 1: generous of you. Thank you, my friend Big B Bryant, Messera,
- 1:41Speaker 1: The Diamond Dallas Dance Machine, Harrison Soepp, Velvet Revolver, Robert Murray,
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- 1:51Speaker 1: Recon Russell Bullwaar, The Georgia Nightmare, Timothy Tillis and Killshot
- 1:58Speaker 1: Keith Hart. Thank you, gentlemen very much much. Also, I
- 2:01Speaker 1: want to mention if you are a channel member on YouTube,
- 2:05Speaker 1: specifically a Legends tier member, first time at a long time.
- 2:09Speaker 1: But I'm trying to circle back around to these and
- 2:11Speaker 1: getting these up. The lost episodes of the sound off
- 2:15Speaker 1: between two thousand and seven and two thousand and nine,
- 2:17Speaker 1: which are not up anywhere. It's probably about the first
- 2:21Speaker 1: eighty four episodes or so the first thirteen that I
- 2:25Speaker 1: ever did are up. They've been up for a while,
- 2:27Speaker 1: but now episode fourteen is up from February tenth, two
- 2:31Speaker 1: thousand and eight. So if you want to go back
- 2:34Speaker 1: in the time capsule see what was going on in
- 2:36Speaker 1: the world of wrestling, get my thoughts on that. Episode
- 2:38Speaker 1: fourteen is up right now for Legends Tier members on YouTube.
- 2:42Speaker 1: There are more to come, so if you are not
- 2:45Speaker 1: already a Legends Tier member, you can go ahead and
- 2:47Speaker 1: jump on there. I think you may enjoy that little
- 2:50Speaker 1: trip down memory lane. Saudi Arabia is getting next year's
- 2:55Speaker 1: Royal Rumble for the first time. We already knew that,
- 2:57Speaker 1: but they are not stopping there. That was the big
- 3:00Speaker 1: news of the week. For the first time, WrestleMania will
- 3:04Speaker 1: be held outside North America. Sorry UK fans, you're gonna
- 3:09Speaker 1: have to wait because it's re odd season WWE, where
- 3:14Speaker 1: every season is riodd season. But Saudi Arabia will be
- 3:18Speaker 1: hosting WrestleMania forty three in twenty twenty seven. Remember that
- 3:23Speaker 1: WrestleMania eight press conference. They had Hogan and Savage and
- 3:27Speaker 1: Piper sid Undertaker. They were all sitting around Jack Tunney
- 3:33Speaker 1: as he announces who will be wrestling Rick Flair for
- 3:35Speaker 1: the World Championship, and Sid starts to stand up, thinking
- 3:39Speaker 1: that it's him, But then they announced Hogan and Sid
- 3:42Speaker 1: sits back down.
- 3:43Speaker 2: Oh man, he's ripping his papers up. That's what I.
- 3:45Speaker 1: Pictured in my head as I was watching that press
- 3:47Speaker 1: conference on Friday, Like if you could even call it that,
- 3:50Speaker 1: I mean, there were no press, there were no fans
- 3:53Speaker 1: actually in the room for this announcement, But it made
- 3:56Speaker 1: me think of that, like the UK was Sid and
- 3:58Speaker 1: Saudi was Hogan. Saudi might want Hogan to wrestle on
- 4:02Speaker 1: that show. Who wants to tell him? Who wants to
- 4:05Speaker 1: break the news to them? During the week, there was
- 4:09Speaker 1: an Arabic press release that leaked early announcing that WrestleMania
- 4:13Speaker 1: would be heading to Saudi in twenty twenty seven. It
- 4:16Speaker 1: was quickly yanked. Whoever the poor soul was that leaked it,
- 4:20Speaker 1: I certainly would not want to be that person. So
- 4:22Speaker 1: the announcement got spoiled a few days early. Then on Thursday,
- 4:27Speaker 1: Triple h tweeted that at three pm Eastern on Friday,
- 4:31Speaker 1: they would be making an announcement that would change the game.
- 4:35Speaker 1: I'm still waiting for this game changing announcement or the
- 4:38Speaker 1: game changing part of this announcement. They've been running Saudi
- 4:42Speaker 1: shows since twenty eighteen. They're running more international shows now
- 4:46Speaker 1: than ever before. They've already announced the Royal Rumble is
- 4:49Speaker 1: coming to Saudi for the first time on January thirty.
- 4:52Speaker 2: First.
- 4:53Speaker 1: WrestleMania being hosted outside North America might have been a
- 4:57Speaker 1: game changer ten years ago. Today if it's just another
- 5:02Speaker 1: cash grab, you know, a long line of cash grabs,
- 5:04Speaker 1: and that's fine, it's what they do. They go where
- 5:07Speaker 1: the money is fair enough. But there's nothing game changing
- 5:11Speaker 1: about any of this unless you consider the price tag,
- 5:15Speaker 1: and that's not anything that they would announce publicly. So
- 5:17Speaker 1: I'm still left wondering exactly how this changes anything out
- 5:20Speaker 1: of the ordinary. Joe Tessitur hosted the event in Las Vegas.
- 5:24Speaker 1: They had a whole event, actually, I described the WrestleMania
- 5:27Speaker 1: eight press conference.
- 5:28Speaker 2: It was kind of set up like that. They had
- 5:30Speaker 2: a stage.
- 5:31Speaker 1: Joe Testitour was at the podium Hosting Vegas, of course,
- 5:35Speaker 1: is where everybody was on Friday for the Canelo Alvarez
- 5:37Speaker 1: fight that TKO was hosting this weekend, and WWE was
- 5:42Speaker 1: hosting the Triple A Worlds Collide event there as well,
- 5:45Speaker 1: so he brought out Sewn, Michaels and the Undertaker. Live
- 5:49Speaker 1: Morgan was there, Charlotte Flair, Bianca bell Air, Logan, Paul Seth, Rawlins,
- 5:55Speaker 1: and then Triple H for the announcement. I have seen
- 5:58Speaker 1: hostage videos people look happier than the wrestlers did here
- 6:02Speaker 1: standing in the background. They did not want to be there.
- 6:06Speaker 1: They also had the head of the General Entertainment Authority
- 6:09Speaker 1: in Saudi Turkey, Al al Shek, the man responsible for
- 6:13Speaker 1: bringing all of these events over to the kingdom. He
- 6:16Speaker 1: spoke and he even invoked the name of Vince McMahon,
- 6:19Speaker 1: which I'm sure thrilled them to no end when he
- 6:22Speaker 1: was talking about Vince being part of the conversations on
- 6:25Speaker 1: day one that started their relationship in the first place.
- 6:28Speaker 1: It will remain a two night event, although they did
- 6:31Speaker 1: not announce what the actual dates would be. Mike Johnson,
- 6:34Speaker 1: a PW insider, says the amount of money that the
- 6:37Speaker 1: company is being paid for the event is mind blowing.
- 6:43Speaker 1: Meltzer says it's in the nine figure range, said to
- 6:46Speaker 1: be well over one hundred million dollars. Oh I would
- 6:51Speaker 1: bet it's a lot more than one hundred million dollars.
- 6:53Speaker 1: If they're getting fifty million per show right now, I
- 6:57Speaker 1: mean for shows like Crown Jewel or King and Queen
- 7:00Speaker 1: of the Ring. If they're getting fifty million dollars for
- 7:02Speaker 1: one of those shows, I mean they may be getting
- 7:05Speaker 1: one hundred million for the Royal Rumble. For WrestleMania, it
- 7:09Speaker 1: could be more than twice as much. Dave also says
- 7:13Speaker 1: the Saudis pushed heavily for the show in twenty twenty seven,
- 7:17Speaker 1: even though WWE wanted to do it there in twenty
- 7:19Speaker 1: twenty eight. I don't know what they would have done
- 7:22Speaker 1: for twenty twenty seven, probably gone back to Vegas again.
- 7:26Speaker 2: But they still owe New.
- 7:27Speaker 1: Orleans a WrestleMania since they announced it publicly and then
- 7:29Speaker 1: they yanked it away from them out of nothing but
- 7:32Speaker 1: pure greed. But the Saudis wanted it for twenty twenty
- 7:36Speaker 1: seven because that coincides with the country's three hundredth anniversary
- 7:39Speaker 1: celebration since it was founded in the year seventeen twenty seven,
- 7:44Speaker 1: and they wanted a number of special events that year.
- 7:46Speaker 1: WrestleMania was going to be one of them. Now there
- 7:49Speaker 1: was a rumor floating around that maybe they would do
- 7:51Speaker 1: two WrestleManias that year, you know, with the idea of
- 7:55Speaker 1: taking the Saudi money and doing one there and then
- 7:58Speaker 1: another one in the North America market. I'm glad that
- 8:01Speaker 1: turned out to be just a rumor, because that would
- 8:04Speaker 1: be a fucking terrible idea. Can you imagine too, WrestleMania
- 8:08Speaker 1: is in one year. We already have that anyway, basically
- 8:11Speaker 1: with SummerSlam. They call it the WrestleMania of the Summer.
- 8:14Speaker 1: They do them in giant stadiums. Now, they're two nights,
- 8:17Speaker 1: just like WrestleMania. What the fuck do we need a
- 8:20Speaker 1: second WrestleMania for? That would be awful. I got a
- 8:25Speaker 1: question once, not that long ago, but well, what if
- 8:27Speaker 1: they were to do it WrestleMania two style, and you
- 8:30Speaker 1: have one night in Saudi and you have one night
- 8:33Speaker 1: in the States. First of all, there's a reason they
- 8:35Speaker 1: haven't done that since wrestle Media two. Okay, that was
- 8:38Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty six, and they have not done anything
- 8:41Speaker 1: really like that on that scale since then. I mean,
- 8:44Speaker 1: WrestleMania now is on such a bigger scale.
- 8:48Speaker 2: But that's a logistical nightmare. Number one.
- 8:51Speaker 1: Number two Saudi Arabia is not paying two or three
- 8:54Speaker 1: hundred million dollars for half a WrestleMania, so that was
- 8:59Speaker 1: never gonna happen either. But the plan is to build
- 9:02Speaker 1: all of the usual events around this one, including SmackDown
- 9:05Speaker 1: Raw the Hall of Fame. They were also encouraging during
- 9:09Speaker 1: the event. They were encouraging American citizens, all their American
- 9:14Speaker 1: fans to fly in for the show. And I'm sure
- 9:18Speaker 1: there are some who will, most will not. A lot
- 9:23Speaker 1: of fans may not even be able to afford it.
- 9:26Speaker 1: Can you imagine how much those ticket prices are going
- 9:28Speaker 1: to be Wait until I talk about that later. What
- 9:32Speaker 1: Mark Shapiro had to say this week about ticket prices.
- 9:35Speaker 1: It's gonna get a lot worse before it gets better.
- 9:38Speaker 1: But look, none of this is surprising. They have been
- 9:41Speaker 1: in business with the Saudis for seven years now. They're
- 9:45Speaker 1: said to be pulling in fifty million dollars for every
- 9:48Speaker 1: show that they do there. They just opened an office
- 9:51Speaker 1: in Riod. This was the next natural progression of the relationship.
- 9:57Speaker 1: And I'm happy for my Saudi listeners who get to
- 9:59Speaker 1: go to a rect Maia for the first time.
- 10:01Speaker 2: You know, whenever there's like a big Saudi show.
- 10:04Speaker 1: There's a handful of people like correspond with You've seen
- 10:08Speaker 1: some of the sound up sides that some of the
- 10:09Speaker 1: Saudi shows, So they have some hardcore fans over there,
- 10:13Speaker 1: and so for them, I'm sure they're excited to get
- 10:15Speaker 1: a WrestleMania for the first time. And at least I'll
- 10:18Speaker 1: be able to cover the show a lot earlier in
- 10:20Speaker 1: the day than I normally would.
- 10:22Speaker 2: That's a plus.
- 10:23Speaker 1: What is that going to be a one o'clock Eastern start?
- 10:25Speaker 1: Probably that's usually around the time those shows start over here.
- 10:30Speaker 1: But I am already dreading the stories about what big
- 10:34Speaker 1: stars they're going to try to coax out of the
- 10:36Speaker 1: retirement home for this show. It's already starting. Meltzer says
- 10:41Speaker 1: the Saudis are pushing for Dwayne the Rock Johnson to
- 10:44Speaker 1: wrestle in one of the main events against either Roman
- 10:47Speaker 1: Reigns or Cody Rhodes. I guess Meltzer's got those sweet
- 10:51Speaker 1: Saudi connections, because he says the negotiations with Rock are
- 10:57Speaker 1: advancing and they believe the deal is close to being finalized,
- 11:00Speaker 1: although he admits he's not been able to confirm any
- 11:02Speaker 1: of this with those in WWE, but The impression that
- 11:06Speaker 1: he got is that the final payment for the show
- 11:08Speaker 1: would be affected by whether or not they get Rock
- 11:11Speaker 1: in the main event for that show, and he would
- 11:14Speaker 1: be paid, and I'm sure he would be multiple times
- 11:17Speaker 1: that of any pro wrestler for any event in the
- 11:19Speaker 1: history of the world. Now, the general entertainment authority is
- 11:24Speaker 1: said to want a packed show with megastars, so naturally,
- 11:28Speaker 1: there's been talk about a lot of big names. He's
- 11:31Speaker 1: been talk about The Undertaker wrestling. There's been talking about
- 11:34Speaker 1: Sean Michaels wrestling. There's talk about Stone Cold Steve Austin
- 11:38Speaker 1: wrestling on the show. He'll be sixty two years old
- 11:40Speaker 1: by that point. Austin doesn't strike me as the kind
- 11:44Speaker 1: of guy that's coming back just for the payday. His
- 11:47Speaker 1: pride will not allow it if he doesn't think that
- 11:49Speaker 1: he can go in there and have a good match.
- 11:51Speaker 1: And maybe he does, but I get the sense with
- 11:54Speaker 1: him it's about more than just money. He spent nineteen
- 11:57Speaker 1: years in retirement before they finally convinced him to get
- 12:01Speaker 1: back in the ring, and even then they wouldn't announce
- 12:03Speaker 1: the match in advance. You don't think he could have
- 12:07Speaker 1: made untold millions of dollars during those nineteen years for
- 12:10Speaker 1: a comeback match against somebody like a CM Punk or
- 12:13Speaker 1: a brock Lesner, and he chose not to. They were
- 12:17Speaker 1: right outside his home this year in Vegas and all
- 12:20Speaker 1: he did was ride his ATV to the ring and
- 12:22Speaker 1: nearly kill some people. So I don't know if he's
- 12:25Speaker 1: going to have a match on that show or not.
- 12:26Speaker 1: I'm sure there are fans that would love to see
- 12:29Speaker 1: him in CM Punk in a match after all these years.
- 12:32Speaker 1: Sewn Michaels, he just said that he's getting both knees
- 12:34Speaker 1: replaced in about a month. He's getting ready for that
- 12:38Speaker 1: sweet Saudi pay day. Point is we don't need to
- 12:42Speaker 1: be going backwards and flooding the card with old guys
- 12:45Speaker 1: who don't need to be in the ring anymore. So
- 12:48Speaker 1: you have a lot of fans upset for a variety
- 12:51Speaker 1: of different reasons, all of which have been documented at
- 12:54Speaker 1: nauseum over the years. Again, this is not new. I
- 12:56Speaker 1: mean they've been working with the Saudis and having events
- 13:00Speaker 1: there now for over seven years. Like I said, this
- 13:03Speaker 1: was the next obvious progression of that relationship. I think
- 13:07Speaker 1: where I think is really sad is that it really
- 13:11Speaker 1: does now more so than ever when it comes to
- 13:14Speaker 1: an event like WrestleMania, it really just does come down
- 13:17Speaker 1: to the dollars and cents. I liked it when there
- 13:20Speaker 1: was some more variety. You spread WrestleMania around to other
- 13:24Speaker 1: states and places, and there's plenty of states here in
- 13:26Speaker 1: the US that have never gotten to WrestleMania before, and
- 13:29Speaker 1: so you bounce around from place to place, and now
- 13:32Speaker 1: it really just comes down to the almighty dollar and
- 13:34Speaker 1: nothing else. That's why they literally announced the show for
- 13:37Speaker 1: New Orleans and then yanked it so they could go
- 13:39Speaker 1: back and run Vegas for a second year in a row.
- 13:43Speaker 1: A pure cash grab money play, nothing else, like, nothing
- 13:47Speaker 1: else factored into this decision. That was the only reason
- 13:50Speaker 1: they did what they did. And it makes you wonder
- 13:52Speaker 1: if they're being blown away by the money that they
- 13:55Speaker 1: are being paid for this Saudi show in twenty twenty seven.
- 13:58Speaker 1: Let's just say Saudi Arabia said, you know what, we
- 14:00Speaker 1: want WrestleMania again in twenty twenty eight, or we want
- 14:03Speaker 1: it back in twenty twenty nine, and here's how much
- 14:05Speaker 1: we're gonna pay you.
- 14:06Speaker 2: We're gonna up, We're gonna up the offer.
- 14:08Speaker 1: We're gonna pay you another fifty million dollars on top
- 14:11Speaker 1: of what we paid you last time.
- 14:12Speaker 2: What do you think TKO would do?
- 14:15Speaker 1: They would drop everything and say, sure, we may get
- 14:18Speaker 1: you know, Saudi Mania every other year going forward, and
- 14:22Speaker 1: that would be terrible because I think that there should
- 14:24Speaker 1: be more variety in it. Obviously, there's gonna be a
- 14:26Speaker 1: lot of fans over in Europe and over in the
- 14:28Speaker 1: UK who were very upset after they were teased a
- 14:31Speaker 1: few years ago at the Prospect by John Cena money
- 14:34Speaker 1: in the bank, standing in the middle of the ring
- 14:36Speaker 1: and telling the fans, let your voices be heard if
- 14:38Speaker 1: you want WrestleMania to come to London for the first time.
- 14:41Speaker 1: And those people went nuts. They did exactly what he
- 14:44Speaker 1: told them to do. They let their voices be heard.
- 14:46Speaker 1: Your voices don't matter. Your voices mean shit unless you're
- 14:52Speaker 1: gonna cut them a check for two hundred and fifty
- 14:54Speaker 1: million dollars. Your voices do not matter, is what they're
- 14:57Speaker 1: telling you. And I think that's sad. But I'll tell
- 15:01Speaker 1: you what this does do. It opens up a huge
- 15:04Speaker 1: opportunity for someone like aw to step in and run
- 15:08Speaker 1: their own show that night. Now that WrestleMania is airing
- 15:11Speaker 1: in the daytime hours. Here right, here's Tony kN chance
- 15:15Speaker 1: to do a little counterprogramming of his own and plan
- 15:17Speaker 1: a big event stateside over WrestleMania weekend, not head to
- 15:20Speaker 1: head because that would be obviously suicide for them, but
- 15:26Speaker 1: in the space where WrestleMania would normally be airing, and
- 15:28Speaker 1: do it here. Now, he's not going to be able
- 15:31Speaker 1: to steal headlines away from WWE because it's going to
- 15:35Speaker 1: be all about WrestleMania for the first time coming to
- 15:38Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia, and it's still WrestleMania at the end of
- 15:40Speaker 1: the day. But whatever fans would normally attend WrestleMania that
- 15:45Speaker 1: won't be that year. I'm not saying all of them
- 15:47Speaker 1: would come, but there's a lot of fans that would
- 15:49Speaker 1: attend a big wrestling show that weekend. And if he
- 15:53Speaker 1: wanted to bring other promotions in on the fund, then
- 15:55Speaker 1: so be it, because this is going to have a
- 15:58Speaker 1: negative effect on all of those into pened promotions that
- 16:00Speaker 1: typically build their events around WRESTLEMANI a weekend conventions like
- 16:04Speaker 1: wrestle Con This is where AW can step in to
- 16:07Speaker 1: fill that void and make some money of their own.
- 16:10Speaker 1: I say AW because there's really nobody else, you know,
- 16:13Speaker 1: that could scale something up that big, and that includes TNA,
- 16:18Speaker 1: although if they did, I could see WWE helping TNA
- 16:21Speaker 1: run something stateside to counter that. Yeah, there's no way
- 16:25Speaker 1: they would let them run something that weekend without countering
- 16:27Speaker 1: it somehow, and fair play if they do, you know,
- 16:31Speaker 1: whether it's a TNA event or an NXT event. I'm
- 16:34Speaker 1: just saying, what would normally be a very lucrative weekend
- 16:37Speaker 1: for these other events and these other promotions suddenly isn't
- 16:41Speaker 1: going to be there in twenty twenty seven. So there's
- 16:43Speaker 1: an opportunity for someone else to step in and try
- 16:45Speaker 1: to fill that void even better if they did it
- 16:48Speaker 1: in New Orleans, wouldn't that be something?
- 16:53Speaker 2: Now.
- 16:53Speaker 1: The other big news of the week, and this one
- 16:55Speaker 1: came out of left field. This was surprising, was Andrade
- 17:00Speaker 1: being gone from WWE. He is done. Fight Ful was
- 17:04Speaker 1: the first to report the news on his exit, and
- 17:07Speaker 1: sources within the company confirmed Andrade was released and that
- 17:11Speaker 1: it was the company's call and it was not part
- 17:14Speaker 1: of a mass group of cuts that we hear so
- 17:18Speaker 1: often about. Usually when it comes to WWE cuts, they
- 17:21Speaker 1: usually come in batches.
- 17:23Speaker 2: That was not the case here.
- 17:25Speaker 1: John Alba of Sports Illustrated later reported that it was
- 17:28Speaker 1: not a mutual decision. He had not been backstage at
- 17:31Speaker 1: TV tapings for nearly a month, and multiple talent were
- 17:35Speaker 1: being told Saturday afternoon that he had been let go
- 17:39Speaker 1: and he has already been moved to the alumni section
- 17:41Speaker 1: on WWE dot com. Again, we don't know what we
- 17:45Speaker 1: don't know, but they're making it clear from these reports.
- 17:49Speaker 1: This was not a case where this was just an
- 17:51Speaker 1: Andrade call where he's like, you know what, I don't
- 17:53Speaker 1: want to be here anymore, let me go. This was
- 17:56Speaker 1: something that was initiated by the company, something they felt
- 17:59Speaker 1: that they had to do for some reason, and we
- 18:01Speaker 1: might have some insight into why that is now. Bodyslam
- 18:04Speaker 1: dot Net said that there have been creative and booking
- 18:07Speaker 1: differences between Androde and WWE since his return at the
- 18:11Speaker 1: Royal Rumble in twenty twenty four. Not only that, but
- 18:14Speaker 1: Androde had been unreachable for several weeks before this when
- 18:18Speaker 1: WWE tried to make contact with him.
- 18:21Speaker 2: That is not good.
- 18:23Speaker 1: We haven't seen Androte on television. We haven't seen him
- 18:26Speaker 1: at all since SummerSlam. He and Ray Phoenix were part
- 18:29Speaker 1: of that TLC match for the WWE Tag Team title.
- 18:32Speaker 1: The belief is that he and Phoenix were in line
- 18:35Speaker 1: for the spot against the Wyatt Six that ultimately went
- 18:38Speaker 1: to the Street Profits at Clash in Paris. Because it
- 18:41Speaker 1: was very strange how coming out of SummerSlam, all of
- 18:43Speaker 1: a sudden, this new team they had put together a
- 18:45Speaker 1: few months before, they just vanished. We didn't see Androti
- 18:48Speaker 1: on TV. We didn't even see Ray Phoenix on TV.
- 18:51Speaker 1: I don't believe since this past Friday he had this
- 18:55Speaker 1: tremendous US Title Open Challenge match with Sammy Zain that
- 18:58Speaker 1: was the highlight of the night on smack Down this week.
- 19:01Speaker 1: Phoenix is another one who I would completely understand if
- 19:03Speaker 1: he was frustrated by the way he's been booked in WWE.
- 19:08Speaker 1: But looking at Andrade, I mean, you look at this return.
- 19:12Speaker 1: He came back to the company at the Royal Rumble
- 19:14Speaker 1: last year. He was in last year's Money in the
- 19:16Speaker 1: Bank Ladder match. He was in this year's Money in
- 19:18Speaker 1: the Bank Ladder match. Didn't win either one, but he
- 19:20Speaker 1: was in both of those. He had that great best
- 19:22Speaker 1: of seven series of matches on SmackDown with Carmelo Hayes.
- 19:26Speaker 1: That led to nothing, no title, no big program, nothing
- 19:30Speaker 1: coming out of it. Those two were carrying SmackDown there
- 19:33Speaker 1: for a while. Then he won the speed title, which
- 19:37Speaker 1: I mean, who the hell cares about that? And then
- 19:39Speaker 1: we got the random pairing with him in Ray Phoenix,
- 19:42Speaker 1: another talent that has been underutilized the past few months.
- 19:45Speaker 1: And the problem for Ray Phoenix is that he burned
- 19:48Speaker 1: a bridge with AW on his way out, Andrade did not.
- 19:52Speaker 1: He actually ended things on respectful terms with Tony Kahan.
- 19:55Speaker 1: Tony was the one who actually announced his contract was
- 19:57Speaker 1: expiring during one of their media scrums, and he thanked
- 20:00Speaker 1: him for his work. He said he hopes he could,
- 20:02Speaker 1: you know, work together with.
- 20:03Speaker 2: Him again one day.
- 20:05Speaker 1: One would think the door would be open for a return.
- 20:08Speaker 1: But is it worth it for Tony Khan?
- 20:10Speaker 2: You know?
- 20:11Speaker 1: Andrade is a tremendous talent, but he also strikes me
- 20:15Speaker 1: as someone who will never be fully happy unless he
- 20:18Speaker 1: is either the focus or that he is at least
- 20:21Speaker 1: in that top top mix. And that's just not going
- 20:24Speaker 1: to happen in WWE. And it's not going to happen
- 20:27Speaker 1: in aweither, not with the wealth of talent that they
- 20:29Speaker 1: have over there. You know the way his WWE run
- 20:32Speaker 1: just ended. I don't know why Tony would think a
- 20:35Speaker 1: second run in aw would end any differently than it
- 20:38Speaker 1: did the first time. I also think, and look, I
- 20:41Speaker 1: can't get inside the man's head. This is all still
- 20:44Speaker 1: very fluid. This news only broke yesterday. We haven't heard
- 20:47Speaker 1: from Andrade. We don't know why he ghosted them and
- 20:50Speaker 1: did what he did. But if you remember, he was
- 20:53Speaker 1: one of the Hispanic talents they trotted out there behind
- 20:56Speaker 1: Triple H WrestleMania weekend when they announced that they were
- 20:59Speaker 1: buying Trip and I wonder if he may have also thought,
- 21:03Speaker 1: you know, I could see my future here. He's looking
- 21:06Speaker 1: into his crystal ball and he sees his future. They're
- 21:09Speaker 1: just gonna use me on those shows. They're gonna use
- 21:12Speaker 1: me as one of that core group of talents to
- 21:16Speaker 1: try to break into that market. That's how they see me.
- 21:20Speaker 1: And I don't want to be a part of that.
- 21:21Speaker 1: I don't want that to define my run here. I
- 21:23Speaker 1: don't want that to define who I am. I'm better
- 21:25Speaker 1: than that. Would not at all be surprised if that's
- 21:29Speaker 1: how he honestly felt. And as I am recording this,
- 21:33Speaker 1: I am seeing here that John Albajis posted a new
- 21:37Speaker 1: update on the Sports Illustrated website, So I'll just read
- 21:41Speaker 1: to you from this here.
- 21:42Speaker 2: This is just minutes old.
- 21:46Speaker 1: Multiple sources indicate to the takedown on SI that Andrade
- 21:50Speaker 1: had at least one wellness policy violation during his most
- 21:53Speaker 1: recent WWE run. It is not known how exactly he
- 21:57Speaker 1: was in violation of the policy, or whether or not
- 21:59Speaker 1: he in fact tested positive for a banned substance. It
- 22:03Speaker 1: is also not clear if it directly led to his release,
- 22:06Speaker 1: but it was noted that he was suspended without pay
- 22:08Speaker 1: as a result of it. Initial reports noted that he
- 22:12Speaker 1: had not been backstage at SmackDown as of late and
- 22:14Speaker 1: was not listed on internal rosters. The takedown on SI
- 22:18Speaker 1: can add that he was told to leave a taping
- 22:21Speaker 1: last month and was escorted out of the building. A
- 22:24Speaker 1: high level source asserted this dismissal from the building was
- 22:27Speaker 1: in relation to his most recent suspension and that it
- 22:30Speaker 1: affected major creative plans for his tag team with Ray Phoenix,
- 22:35Speaker 1: which would go to what I mentioned before about them
- 22:37Speaker 1: being in line most likely for a tag team championship
- 22:40Speaker 1: shot body slams. Corey Hayes reported on Saturday Night that
- 22:44Speaker 1: WWE had tried to get in touch with Androde for
- 22:47Speaker 1: several weeks but had been unsuccessful. The takedown on SI
- 22:51Speaker 1: cannot confirm that this at this time, though the incident
- 22:54Speaker 1: at SmackDown was said to have occurred in the middle
- 22:56Speaker 1: of August. While sources indicated that there was at least
- 23:00Speaker 1: one wellness policy violation this year, this would not be
- 23:03Speaker 1: his first with the company. Ww announced in January of
- 23:06Speaker 1: twenty twenty that he was suspended for his first violation
- 23:09Speaker 1: of the policy, which resulted in a thirty day suspension.
- 23:13Speaker 1: He would leave WWE the following year jump ship to
- 23:16Speaker 1: AW where he would perform until December of twenty twenty three. There,
- 23:20Speaker 1: he also faced disciplinary action following a backstage incident with
- 23:25Speaker 1: Sammy Gavara. He would return to WWE in twenty twenty four.
- 23:29Speaker 1: It should be noted that WWE has not published any
- 23:32Speaker 1: potential wellness policy violations publicly since the TKO merger in
- 23:36Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. As a result, it is unknown how
- 23:39Speaker 1: many there have been, if there have been any outside
- 23:42Speaker 1: of this at all, so that changes things a bit
- 23:46Speaker 1: as far as who to put the onus on here.
- 23:48Speaker 1: If this is true, because if they were having disciplinary
- 23:52Speaker 1: issues with him, and there may well have been creative
- 23:55Speaker 1: frustrations as well, but if they were having disciplinary issues
- 23:58Speaker 1: with him again, if he disappeared on them, and if
- 24:01Speaker 1: he failed a wellness test. Now the first violation is
- 24:06Speaker 1: thirty days, so if this was his second, that would
- 24:08Speaker 1: be sixty days, most likely without pay. So I'd be
- 24:13Speaker 1: very interested to know the timeline of that when that
- 24:15Speaker 1: was being served, If it was in August, if that
- 24:17Speaker 1: was earlier than that, that sounds like it would have
- 24:19Speaker 1: been last month. Then obviously that's not good and you
- 24:24Speaker 1: can't put that on the company if this guy is
- 24:26Speaker 1: failing tests and being suspended. You know, if they have
- 24:30Speaker 1: a policy in place and you violate that policy, then
- 24:32Speaker 1: you're going to get popped. That's the way it works.
- 24:36Speaker 1: So it just it sounds to me like this was
- 24:38Speaker 1: just a combustible relationship in so many different ways, and
- 24:43Speaker 1: we could get into, you know, as far as the
- 24:46Speaker 1: creative aspect of this and where WWE may or may
- 24:49Speaker 1: not have dropped the ball, because in many ways they did.
- 24:52Speaker 1: You know, he's been back for a while now, it's
- 24:54Speaker 1: not And if this stuff has happened relatively recently, it's
- 24:56Speaker 1: not as if they've taken full advantage of what they
- 24:59Speaker 1: had in him prior to this. I mean, if you
- 25:02Speaker 1: look at the run that Andrade has had in WWE
- 25:06Speaker 1: this second time around. Again, you know, as far as Andrade,
- 25:09Speaker 1: I talked a lot about him when he first came
- 25:11Speaker 1: back and how I thought it was a mistake to
- 25:13Speaker 1: not put a mouthpiece with him. The most successful run
- 25:16Speaker 1: that this man had in all the years he worked
- 25:18Speaker 1: for WWE, because he was in NXT for a number
- 25:20Speaker 1: of years before he ever got called up to the
- 25:22Speaker 1: main roster, and on the main roster he held the
- 25:25Speaker 1: US title during that first run. That was basically the
- 25:28Speaker 1: highlight of his run. But the highlight of his WWE
- 25:31Speaker 1: run overall was that run from NXT Black and Gold,
- 25:34Speaker 1: and they had him paired off with Zelena Vega, and
- 25:37Speaker 1: they made a great pairing and he had some tremendous matches.
- 25:40Speaker 1: He was the NXT champion. He felt like a big
- 25:43Speaker 1: fish in a small pond. It was that kind of situation,
- 25:46Speaker 1: but he was the top guy, and I think in
- 25:48Speaker 1: his head he probably envisioned something like that on the
- 25:50Speaker 1: main roster, where eventually he would be the champion. He
- 25:53Speaker 1: would be the guy, because again, it was built around
- 25:55Speaker 1: him there for a while in NXT, and it was
- 25:57Speaker 1: a very successful run. It was a very successful pairing.
- 26:01Speaker 1: I don't know, for the life of me why they
- 26:02Speaker 1: did not attempt to recreate that on the main roster.
- 26:06Speaker 1: You had Zelena there, You could have done it with Zelena,
- 26:08Speaker 1: you could have had somebody else in that role. But
- 26:11Speaker 1: to just kind of send him out there and again
- 26:14Speaker 1: on the microphone. His verbal skills promos, it's not his
- 26:17Speaker 1: strong suit. He still struggles with that. That's a very
- 26:21Speaker 1: important quality in WWE. They put a great emphasis on that.
- 26:25Speaker 1: Look at all the people that are on top right now,
- 26:27Speaker 1: by and large, By and large, right they're able to
- 26:30Speaker 1: go out there and cut promos. There's a lot of
- 26:33Speaker 1: back and forth on the microphone. That's not his strong suit.
- 26:36Speaker 1: That was why I said, pair him off with somebody,
- 26:39Speaker 1: and they never did, and I think that was a
- 26:40Speaker 1: big mistake. So there's a lot of blame to go
- 26:45Speaker 1: around here. You could absolutely blame WWE for not doing
- 26:49Speaker 1: more with him, for not finding better ways to utilize
- 26:51Speaker 1: him on TV. Absolutely, But it goes both ways here.
- 26:55Speaker 1: And if these stories are accurate, and you've got one
- 26:58Speaker 1: story saying he was UNREA for weeks. You know, if
- 27:01Speaker 1: your employer can't reach you, and then you know these
- 27:05Speaker 1: other stories about him failing a wellness test and being
- 27:09Speaker 1: escorted out of the building, and it's a disciplinary thing
- 27:12Speaker 1: ultimately that falls on the talent. You know, you can
- 27:15Speaker 1: talk about all the ways WWE should have done this
- 27:18Speaker 1: and should have.
- 27:19Speaker 2: Done that and dropped the ball. It doesn't mean anything.
- 27:22Speaker 1: If you have somebody who is having disciplinary issues behind
- 27:26Speaker 1: the scenes and failing tests and getting suspended, that supersedes
- 27:29Speaker 1: everything else that falls on the talent.
- 27:32Speaker 2: That doesn't fall on WWE. But this just.
- 27:35Speaker 1: Sounded like a toxic relationship that was not going to
- 27:37Speaker 1: work out. You cannot be ghosting your employer. You cannot
- 27:41Speaker 1: be you know, failing tests or causing issues behind the scenes.
- 27:46Speaker 1: And that's actually a great point from earlier. I forgotten
- 27:49Speaker 1: about that backstage incident with him and Sammy Gavara and
- 27:51Speaker 1: aw so, I mean it's not as if that there
- 27:54Speaker 1: haven't been some issues with him in the past. But yeah,
- 27:56Speaker 1: you can't be doing that stuff and expect the company
- 27:59Speaker 1: to under the rug or ignore it or push you
- 28:02Speaker 1: at a high level. If let's say he is unhappy
- 28:04Speaker 1: maybe with his spot on the show. All of these
- 28:06Speaker 1: things can be true. By the way, he could have
- 28:08Speaker 1: been creatively frustrated, but also be failing a test or
- 28:11Speaker 1: you know, having other problems that necessitated that the company
- 28:15Speaker 1: you know, send him home, Because I mean, everybody's got goals.
- 28:19Speaker 1: Everybody you know has an ego to an extent, some
- 28:21Speaker 1: more than others. You know, he obviously is very proud
- 28:25Speaker 1: of his work, as he should be, and he's a
- 28:27Speaker 1: tremendous wrestler. But this is all sounding more like an
- 28:30Speaker 1: Andrade thing than anything else.
- 28:32Speaker 2: And I'm not.
- 28:33Speaker 1: Sure that if he were to go back to AW
- 28:35Speaker 1: and Tony Kah welcomed him back with open arms, I'm
- 28:38Speaker 1: not sure why anybody would believe that things would end
- 28:41Speaker 1: up any differently than they did before. And if he
- 28:44Speaker 1: doesn't go back there, I don't know where else he
- 28:48Speaker 1: would go. You know, I don't know what his goals
- 28:50Speaker 1: and aspirations are. I don't know, I don't know where
- 28:54Speaker 1: his head is at on this, So it'll be very
- 28:56Speaker 1: interesting to see if he comments on it and where
- 28:58Speaker 1: he does end up. The WWE's first ever Wrestle Palooza
- 29:04Speaker 1: is coming up this Saturday from the game Bridge Field
- 29:06Speaker 1: House in Indianapolis. It'll be the first pl to air
- 29:09Speaker 1: on the new ESPN Unlimited service, not on the main
- 29:13Speaker 1: ESPN linear network. At least as of now, it is
- 29:16Speaker 1: not set to air on the actual ESPN channel, although
- 29:19Speaker 1: future shows might at least part of them, with the
- 29:22Speaker 1: idea that for the last hour or two you would
- 29:24Speaker 1: then have to switch over to the app to watch
- 29:26Speaker 1: the rest of it. They've got ten thousand tickets out
- 29:29Speaker 1: for the show so far, but they're not sold out.
- 29:32Speaker 1: They've even cut the prices of the least expensive tickets
- 29:35Speaker 1: from two hundred and twenty two dollars per ticket to
- 29:38Speaker 1: one hundred and ninety two dollars per ticket. Not a
- 29:41Speaker 1: huge decrease, but the fact that they're cutting prices at
- 29:44Speaker 1: all is very Unlike WWE IT shows, they're not moving
- 29:47Speaker 1: as quickly as they would have hoped. They're currently set
- 29:50Speaker 1: up for over twelve thousand according to wrestle Tics, in
- 29:54Speaker 1: a building that fits more than seventeen thousand for basketball,
- 29:57Speaker 1: and I'm sure they'll end up getting twelve or thirty
- 30:00Speaker 1: teen thousand one game day. And on the subject of
- 30:03Speaker 1: ticket prices, Mark Shapiro, the chief operating officer for TKO,
- 30:08Speaker 1: made some news this week with his comments at the
- 30:10Speaker 1: annual Goldman Sachs Communicopia and Technology Conference, saying the WWE
- 30:15Speaker 1: is not where the UFC is yet.
- 30:18Speaker 2: On ticket yield. We have work to do there.
- 30:21Speaker 1: He says, Yes, they don't believe ticket prices are high enough.
- 30:26Speaker 1: They may be going even higher soon. He said, we
- 30:29Speaker 1: know we have a lot of room there because Vince
- 30:31Speaker 1: McMahon was primarily pricing tickets for families and wasn't totally
- 30:36Speaker 1: focused on maxing the opportunity there. Now that we've seen
- 30:39Speaker 1: what we can do with UFC, we're replicating that in
- 30:41Speaker 1: terms of ticket yield and holding back and advanced sales
- 30:44Speaker 1: when it comes to the WWE side, and it's working
- 30:47Speaker 1: out really well. I was not familiar with the term
- 30:51Speaker 1: ticket yield. It is a pricing strategy that takes into
- 30:55Speaker 1: account multiple factors that affect pricing and demand, and it's
- 31:00Speaker 1: basically it's a measure of the average revenue generated per
- 31:03Speaker 1: ticket sold with the goal of selling all inventory for
- 31:06Speaker 1: a given event at the right mix of prices. So basically,
- 31:09Speaker 1: you divide the total income from ticket sales by the
- 31:12Speaker 1: number of tickets sold, and that gives you your ticket yield.
- 31:17Speaker 1: Shapiro has said previously that TKO sees tremendous upside in
- 31:21Speaker 1: increasing ticket prices, and an example that he used on
- 31:25Speaker 1: Wednesday was UFC shattering previous records to become the highest
- 31:29Speaker 1: grossing event in the history of Chicago's United Center site.
- 31:34Speaker 1: Fees continue to be a key focus of TKO, which
- 31:36Speaker 1: Shapiro's saying that they need to sell out their inventory
- 31:39Speaker 1: of UFC numbered events in addition to wwepls before moving
- 31:44Speaker 1: on to UFC Fight Nights, WWE Raw and SmackDown events.
- 31:49Speaker 1: He said they are talking to Atlanta, Charlotte, Detroit, London, Paris,
- 31:54Speaker 1: and that there are no shortage of countries that want
- 31:56Speaker 1: to see them bring their show to town. He said
- 31:58Speaker 1: that they will continue to maximum those opportunities with both
- 32:01Speaker 1: in kind deals, goods, and services, but that the most
- 32:05Speaker 1: important to me, he says, is cash, cash kills. He
- 32:10Speaker 1: also had a warning of sorts for places that are
- 32:13Speaker 1: successful when WWE or UFC come to town, especially for
- 32:16Speaker 1: the smaller events. Using UFC Fight Nights as an example,
- 32:20Speaker 1: he said, if we have a Saint Louis going up
- 32:22Speaker 1: against the Des Moines, Iowa, and you want us back there,
- 32:25Speaker 1: and you've broken records and sold out both your arenas.
- 32:28Speaker 1: You have to pay for us to come back, or
- 32:30Speaker 1: else we'll take it to another town. And that goes
- 32:33Speaker 1: for nxt raw and SmackDown on the WWE side. You know,
- 32:38Speaker 1: it's not often that someone says, Vince McMahon, the man
- 32:42Speaker 1: who stomped out countless territories when he was expanding nationally,
- 32:46Speaker 1: wasn't ruthless enough when it comes to business. According to Shapiro,
- 32:51Speaker 1: Vince wasn't pricing his tickets high enough because he wanted
- 32:53Speaker 1: to keep it affordable for families. And that might be true,
- 32:58Speaker 1: but also keep in mind wwea not doing the kind
- 33:00Speaker 1: of business that they're doing now. Three or four years ago,
- 33:03Speaker 1: when Vince was still in charge, they were doing well,
- 33:05Speaker 1: but they weren't doing this well. Given the chance to
- 33:08Speaker 1: charge more, if the demand was there, I don't think
- 33:11Speaker 1: he would have hesitated to raise prices at least a
- 33:13Speaker 1: little bit. I don't think he would have lowered them,
- 33:17Speaker 1: but I do think that he probably would have been
- 33:19Speaker 1: more cautious about pricing people out of coming to a
- 33:22Speaker 1: WWE event. TKO doesn't care about that. All they care
- 33:25Speaker 1: about is maximizing the hear and now what they are
- 33:28Speaker 1: doing is they are pricing out a generation of fans
- 33:31Speaker 1: who are simply going to stop going to the shows,
- 33:34Speaker 1: or they won't ever start going to the shows right
- 33:37Speaker 1: when they otherwise might have because the cost of attending
- 33:40Speaker 1: these shows is too prohibitive for them. And I've talked
- 33:43Speaker 1: about this in the past. You know, for all the
- 33:45Speaker 1: fans who have fallen off or are going to fall
- 33:48Speaker 1: off as a result, or maybe they'll watch, but they
- 33:50Speaker 1: simply won't pay for tickets anymore because they either just
- 33:53Speaker 1: can't or they just can't justify some of these prices.
- 33:56Speaker 1: I'm very curious in the next five years, three to
- 33:59Speaker 1: five years, how different, if at all, the WWE audience looks.
- 34:04Speaker 1: I think their audience, just in terms of who is
- 34:07Speaker 1: paying to come to these shows and what kind of
- 34:10Speaker 1: fans they are, is radically going to change. I think
- 34:14Speaker 1: the fan base is going to look different if they
- 34:18Speaker 1: continue down this path. And maybe for them that's a
- 34:20Speaker 1: good thing, but I think it's just whether you think
- 34:23Speaker 1: it's a good thing or a bad thing is a
- 34:25Speaker 1: subjective thing. But I think it's going to be very different.
- 34:27Speaker 1: I think that's going to be a bad thing, but
- 34:29Speaker 1: obviously for their bottom line they feel differently.
- 34:32Speaker 2: But there is a risk.
- 34:33Speaker 1: That the more they play around with these prices, you're
- 34:35Speaker 1: going to take it one step too far and you
- 34:38Speaker 1: are going to chase away a lot of fans. They
- 34:41Speaker 1: obviously haven't reached that point yet. They're still selling a
- 34:43Speaker 1: ton of tickets. But the dam is going to burst
- 34:47Speaker 1: at some point, and when it does, the ones on
- 34:50Speaker 1: the hot seat are not going to be Ari Emmanuel
- 34:53Speaker 1: and Mark Shapiro. It's going to be people like Paul
- 34:56Speaker 1: Leveck and Bruce Pritchard. I wouldn't even say Nick. I
- 35:00Speaker 1: think it'll be the ones who were sitting at the gorilla.
- 35:02Speaker 2: Position every week.
- 35:04Speaker 1: Those are gonna be the first heads to roll. Because
- 35:06Speaker 1: if you're Triple H, you know, people talk about how
- 35:09Speaker 1: WWE is overdoing it on the moments and the return pops.
- 35:14Speaker 1: It's just about the returns. Right this year especially, it
- 35:17Speaker 1: really is all about the moments. Now, well, eventually you
- 35:20Speaker 1: burn through all of those moments and there's no one
- 35:24Speaker 1: left to trot out there. But it makes sense why
- 35:27Speaker 1: Triple H would be doing it so much, because it works,
- 35:30Speaker 1: and because he's probably under a lot of pressure to
- 35:32Speaker 1: keep delivering on those moments and keep those buildings packed.
- 35:36Speaker 1: You know, But when the car starts to slowly roll
- 35:38Speaker 1: back down the mountain in reverse and you run out
- 35:41Speaker 1: of big moments, what happens then? Right, he must feel
- 35:45Speaker 1: like he's under the gun in a way that he
- 35:48Speaker 1: never was before, because this is no longer a family business.
- 35:51Speaker 1: This is a TKO business, and the minute business begins
- 35:55Speaker 1: to falter, he's gonna find himself on the hot seat
- 35:58Speaker 1: as the one responsible for turning things around because he's
- 36:00Speaker 1: the chief content officer. I don't know that they see
- 36:05Speaker 1: him as indispensable and the way that they see Dana
- 36:07Speaker 1: White as being indispensable for the UFC. Dana White and
- 36:10Speaker 1: UFC are synonymous. They are one and the same in
- 36:14Speaker 1: the way that Vince McMahon was always one and the
- 36:16Speaker 1: same with WWE, and he still would be one and
- 36:19Speaker 1: the same with WWE. He would still be running WWE
- 36:22Speaker 1: if he wasn't such a sliine ball. But Dana White
- 36:25Speaker 1: is clearly who he is trying to model himself after.
- 36:27Speaker 1: He's trying to be to WWE what Dana White is
- 36:31Speaker 1: to the UFC. That's why he's front and center all
- 36:34Speaker 1: the time on these big shows and on WWE Unreal
- 36:37Speaker 1: and he just did Tony Hinchclip's show, Kill Tony. You know,
- 36:41Speaker 1: he's really putting himself out there. The more he does
- 36:44Speaker 1: stuff like that, the more he sort of becomes one
- 36:46Speaker 1: with the company. But you talk about ruthless, these people
- 36:51Speaker 1: are ruthless. And Triple H is not Vince McMahon. The
- 36:56Speaker 1: minute he slips up, the wolves are gonna circle. I'm
- 36:59Speaker 1: not saying it's gonna to be an instant thing, and
- 37:01Speaker 1: I don't even know who you would replace him with,
- 37:04Speaker 1: but there's always a scapego Remember that this bubble is
- 37:08Speaker 1: bound to burst at some point, and when it does,
- 37:11Speaker 1: he'd better watch out. But when you listen to these
- 37:14Speaker 1: TKO people, one thing that is very clear to me,
- 37:17Speaker 1: and this is true of WWE in general, is that
- 37:20Speaker 1: they take their audience for granted.
- 37:22Speaker 2: They do.
- 37:23Speaker 1: They take the fans for granted. And when you take
- 37:26Speaker 1: the fans for granted, and you think that they'll always
- 37:28Speaker 1: be there no matter what, you end up pushing too
- 37:30Speaker 1: hard and suddenly a lot of them won't be there
- 37:33Speaker 1: anymore in the way that you thought they would be.
- 37:36Speaker 1: At that same conference, Shapiro also said they hope Wrestle
- 37:39Speaker 1: Palooza is an annual, recurring franchise for the company and
- 37:43Speaker 1: one that is both on par with two of their
- 37:46Speaker 1: notable annual ples and becomes part of their Big four
- 37:49Speaker 1: events of.
- 37:50Speaker 2: The WWE year.
- 37:51Speaker 1: He said, Hopefully Wrestle Palooza is a winner and we
- 37:54Speaker 1: can bring that back annually. That could be a marketing
- 37:56Speaker 1: bonanza for us if we do that right, adding that
- 38:00Speaker 1: Paulovec is spending day and night creatively making what we
- 38:03Speaker 1: think it can be another wrestle Mania or another Summer Slam.
- 38:08Speaker 1: He said, the Royal Rumble is just below that level
- 38:10Speaker 1: and they feel wressel Palooza could be in that quadrant.
- 38:14Speaker 1: So all the people making fun of the wrestle Poloza name,
- 38:18Speaker 1: it ain't going nowhere. Today's episode is sponsored by Betterhelp.
- 38:23Speaker 1: This is the perfect time for me to be talking
- 38:25Speaker 1: about this because we just had the return of aj
- 38:28Speaker 1: Lee in WWE, and she was in the ring on
- 38:31Speaker 1: Raw last week talking about how helpful therapy has been
- 38:35Speaker 1: for her. They even had ten thousand people in the
- 38:37Speaker 1: stands chanting therah pee the rah pee. That's a first.
- 38:42Speaker 1: I've never heard anything like that before. But therapy does
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- 40:28Speaker 1: As for the Wrestle Palooza card itself, We've got five
- 40:32Speaker 1: matches official so far, with one raw and one SmackDown
- 40:35Speaker 1: left to go as I am recording this, so they
- 40:38Speaker 1: may add one more. This being a big show for
- 40:40Speaker 1: them and all. I thought maybe aj Styles challenging Dominic
- 40:44Speaker 1: Mysterio for the Intercontinental title might be a possibility, depending
- 40:48Speaker 1: on what happened at the end of World's Collide. There
- 40:50Speaker 1: was no indication of that happening. I did see the
- 40:53Speaker 1: End of Worlds Collide. I have not had a chance
- 40:55Speaker 1: to watch anything more than that from that show given
- 40:59Speaker 1: everything that's been going on this weekend that I mentioned earlier,
- 41:01Speaker 1: But we'll see again. We'll see if they add one
- 41:04Speaker 1: more match. I think a six match card sounds about right.
- 41:07Speaker 1: But we have the USSOS taking on Bronson Reid and
- 41:11Speaker 1: bron Breaker. This will be the first match that the
- 41:15Speaker 1: USSOS have had together as a tag team since March
- 41:18Speaker 1: against Austin Theory and Grayson Waller. That was the night
- 41:21Speaker 1: that they advertised that Jay was going to have a
- 41:23Speaker 1: mystery partner, which just ended up being his brother. I
- 41:26Speaker 1: don't know why they didn't just advertise and usso's reunion
- 41:29Speaker 1: in advance if that's what they were going to do,
- 41:31Speaker 1: but they're doing it now and Jay has been at
- 41:35Speaker 1: war with La Knight. The two of them just do
- 41:38Speaker 1: not get along. Night actually came to their aid at
- 41:41Speaker 1: the beginning of the show on Monday, but then at
- 41:44Speaker 1: the end Jay speared him the ungrateful prick that he is,
- 41:48Speaker 1: and now that he's made an enemy out of La Knight,
- 41:51Speaker 1: I think there's a good chance that he gets involved
- 41:53Speaker 1: here and factors into this finish, which then leads to
- 41:56Speaker 1: a win for the Vision Breaker. And Reed lost at Summerslim,
- 42:01Speaker 1: they should not be losing here too, although if he does,
- 42:05Speaker 1: you know, if he does get involved between Jay attacking
- 42:08Speaker 1: Night on Monday and getting some booze and that if
- 42:11Speaker 1: Night cost the USOS the win here, that gives the
- 42:14Speaker 1: win to Seth's crew, which is not going to make
- 42:16Speaker 1: the fans happy. Both these guys are going to come
- 42:19Speaker 1: out of this less over with the crowd than they
- 42:21Speaker 1: were before, So I don't know that that's very helpful,
- 42:24Speaker 1: But that's where I think this is headed. Eosky and
- 42:29Speaker 1: Stephanie Vicerre they meet one on one to crown a
- 42:31Speaker 1: brand new women's world champion. The title has been vacant
- 42:35Speaker 1: for a month now. It's been longer than that since
- 42:38Speaker 1: Stephanie had stepped into the ring. She has been a
- 42:41Speaker 1: ghost on these shows really ever since she won that
- 42:44Speaker 1: Battle Royal at Evolution. She only wrestled three times on
- 42:47Speaker 1: TV after that, nothing for the entire month of August.
- 42:51Speaker 1: All of that was in July that Dave Meltzer reported
- 42:54Speaker 1: that the reason for her absence is that she was
- 42:56Speaker 1: out dealing with a minor injury. But in an Inner
- 43:00Speaker 1: You with Adrian Hernandez this week, she said that she
- 43:02Speaker 1: sees things on social media sometimes that aren't real. No injuries.
- 43:07Speaker 1: I'm ready for raw next Monday, So no, no injuries.
- 43:12Speaker 1: She didn't exactly deny that she was dealing with an
- 43:16Speaker 1: injury before, only that right now there is no injury
- 43:19Speaker 1: and she is ready to go. Clearly she's ready to
- 43:22Speaker 1: go because she's wrestling on NXT this Tuesday. I'll get
- 43:25Speaker 1: to that in a little bit. But she missed the
- 43:28Speaker 1: contract signing segment last Monday. There was supposed to be
- 43:30Speaker 1: a contract signing with her at EO. Adam Pierce told
- 43:33Speaker 1: EO that it was canceled because Stephanie was unavailable. Was
- 43:37Speaker 1: it a case where she was unavailable because they decided
- 43:39Speaker 1: to do one tomorrow for another match on the pl E.
- 43:43Speaker 1: I don't know. We'll find out tomorrow. But she's good
- 43:45Speaker 1: to go now. That's all that matters this right here,
- 43:48Speaker 1: this could be the sleeper match of the night. In
- 43:52Speaker 1: this match, we all win. That's how I look at it.
- 43:54Speaker 1: But I think EO Sky should win the title back.
- 43:57Speaker 1: I think she will win the championship back. Stephanie has
- 44:00Speaker 1: just missed too much time, you know. Whatever the reason was,
- 44:03Speaker 1: they have not been able to adequately build her up
- 44:06Speaker 1: for this moment when she wins the championship. At some
- 44:10Speaker 1: point she should be more established, and I think to
- 44:14Speaker 1: throw it on her here would be a mistake. Now,
- 44:16Speaker 1: the wild card here is Osca, who has been beefing
- 44:19Speaker 1: with anybody who even comes near EO, including Rhea Ripley,
- 44:22Speaker 1: including Nikki Bella, and Oscar says that she will be
- 44:26Speaker 1: in EO's corner or she's gonna watch her back in
- 44:28Speaker 1: some way for this match, even though EO has said
- 44:31Speaker 1: I don't want your help. I don't need your help.
- 44:34Speaker 1: If Osca is out there or Osca comes out there,
- 44:37Speaker 1: this could tilt either way. As far as the outcome,
- 44:40Speaker 1: this could tilt either way. It all depends on what
- 44:42Speaker 1: they want coming out of the show. Do they want
- 44:44Speaker 1: Oscar to accidentally cost EO the title? I mean that
- 44:48Speaker 1: would really give them a reason to feud. Or do
- 44:50Speaker 1: they want Osca to help EO even though EO said
- 44:53Speaker 1: I don't want your help. I could do this on
- 44:55Speaker 1: my own, and they use Osca's interference as an out
- 45:00Speaker 1: Stephanie when she loses. That's what I think they're gonna do,
- 45:04Speaker 1: and EO Sky will be the next Women's World Champion
- 45:09Speaker 1: c Im Punk and aj Lee against Seth Rollins and
- 45:13Speaker 1: Becky Lynch. How do you continue the Punk and Rollins
- 45:16Speaker 1: feud without doing another singles match? How do you keep
- 45:20Speaker 1: it fresh? You call in the wives. That's what they've done.
- 45:25Speaker 1: Aj Lee's return on SmackDown was one of the last
- 45:27Speaker 1: big return moments that WWE has left, certainly on the
- 45:31Speaker 1: women's side. It was a big deal. And then she
- 45:34Speaker 1: returned to Raw for the first time in ten years
- 45:37Speaker 1: last Monday. She had the Intercontinental title with her that
- 45:40Speaker 1: she stole from Becky the previous Friday. Becky wanted it back,
- 45:44Speaker 1: Seth tried to get it back for her. Punk came
- 45:47Speaker 1: out and this all led to aj offering to give
- 45:50Speaker 1: it back if they agreed to this mixtag team match
- 45:53Speaker 1: at Wressel Palooza, and so here we are tomorrow night.
- 45:56Speaker 1: They're doing one last face to face with all four
- 45:58Speaker 1: of them in the ring. This is one of the
- 46:01Speaker 1: two big attractions for this show. One of the main
- 46:05Speaker 1: selling points is aj Lee's first match in over ten years,
- 46:09Speaker 1: and I think she wins her first match back by
- 46:11Speaker 1: pinning Becky Lynch. That's how you keep the Punkin Rollin stuff.
- 46:15Speaker 1: Alive for another match eventually. And also how you get
- 46:17Speaker 1: to AJ challenging Becky for the Intercontinental title at Crown
- 46:21Speaker 1: Jewel next month, because if she pins the champion here,
- 46:24Speaker 1: then she should be next in line.
- 46:25Speaker 2: For a title shot. That's how it should always work.
- 46:30Speaker 1: So I say the Vision gets the win over the USOS,
- 46:33Speaker 1: but they lose this one. You know, after Punk got
- 46:36Speaker 1: cash in on at SummerSlam, this should be his revenge.
- 46:40Speaker 1: It's time now for him to come back and get
- 46:42Speaker 1: one over on Seth, even if it's his wife who
- 46:45Speaker 1: does it ultimately. But it's smart too because as someone
- 46:50Speaker 1: that hasn't wrestled in a decade, AJ in a tag
- 46:53Speaker 1: match means that she doesn't have to work the entire match.
- 46:56Speaker 1: They can build, you know, to her spots. I'm looking
- 46:59Speaker 1: forward to this one. I think it just it makes
- 47:02Speaker 1: the dynamic a lot more interesting than it would be
- 47:04Speaker 1: if it was just another Seth in Punk match. I'm
- 47:07Speaker 1: curious what AJ is going to look like in the ring.
- 47:09Speaker 1: Becky's had some really good matches this year. I think
- 47:12Speaker 1: this has the potential to be an excellent match. I
- 47:15Speaker 1: am looking forward to this, but I have Cimpunk and
- 47:17Speaker 1: aj Lee going Over. Cody Rhodes is back. He's defending
- 47:22Speaker 1: his WWE Championship against Drew McIntyre. As expected, Cody came
- 47:27Speaker 1: back at the end of SmackDown on Friday. After Drew
- 47:30Speaker 1: beat Randy Orton, Cody said he would see McIntyre at
- 47:33Speaker 1: Wressell Palooza. The only question now is do we see
- 47:38Speaker 1: Randy Orton involved here in some way, shape or form.
- 47:41Speaker 1: Does he play some kind of role in the finish
- 47:44Speaker 1: of this match. You know, Cody won the title back
- 47:47Speaker 1: from John Cena at Summerslim. This is his first title
- 47:50Speaker 1: defense and it's only his second match since Summerslim. He's
- 47:55Speaker 1: coming off a month long absence. I'm not opposed to
- 47:59Speaker 1: shaking and doing a title change here, but I just
- 48:03Speaker 1: don't think that's realistic. I don't see WWE doing that.
- 48:06Speaker 1: So I'm gonna say Cody Rhods retains. Maybe they do
- 48:10Speaker 1: the finish in a way they should do the Actually,
- 48:12Speaker 1: they should do the finish in a way that Larrence
- 48:14Speaker 1: a rematch at Crown Jewel and they run it back
- 48:17Speaker 1: one more time. So maybe Cody doesn't win, but maybe
- 48:21Speaker 1: Drew doesn't win either. They could also do some sort
- 48:23Speaker 1: of a no contest type finish, which I think they
- 48:26Speaker 1: could get away with because this match is not closing
- 48:29Speaker 1: the show. Normally, the WWEE Championship match would be the
- 48:32Speaker 1: main event. That is not going to be the case
- 48:34Speaker 1: on this show, so they could get away with some
- 48:37Speaker 1: sort of non finish if they wanted to then build
- 48:41Speaker 1: to a rematch a Crown Jewel because Drew McIntyre as
- 48:43Speaker 1: number one contender should not be a one and done.
- 48:47Speaker 1: You have to extend this to at least one more match.
- 48:50Speaker 1: But I just don't see Cody Rhods losing here. And
- 48:54Speaker 1: in what has been confirmed as the main event of
- 48:56Speaker 1: the show, John Cena goes one on one for the
- 48:59Speaker 1: fire time with one of his greatest rivals, Brock Lesner.
- 49:05Speaker 1: They brought Brock back at SummerSlam to randomly attack Sena,
- 49:08Speaker 1: which he did again last week. He gave him two
- 49:11Speaker 1: more at Five's on Friday, there was no John Cena,
- 49:15Speaker 1: but Brock showed up again looking for Sina. You know,
- 49:18Speaker 1: Brock really is one of those Neanderthal caveman types, because
- 49:21Speaker 1: if he was smart, he'd have known that Sina said
- 49:24Speaker 1: on SmackDown last week, which by the way, Brock was
- 49:27Speaker 1: there too. If he had paid attention to what John
- 49:30Speaker 1: Cena had to say. Sina was very clear when he
- 49:33Speaker 1: said that was his final SmackDown. So without Sena there,
- 49:38Speaker 1: Brock came out and instead he did comedy with our Truth,
- 49:42Speaker 1: and then he split his pants at the end of
- 49:44Speaker 1: the segment, and then he danced a little Irish jig
- 49:47Speaker 1: and he slapped hands with the fans on his way
- 49:49Speaker 1: out while he was laughing. This is how they chose
- 49:53Speaker 1: to build their big main event on ESPN. Now it's
- 49:58Speaker 1: John Cena against Brock. Lesner get that they don't feel
- 50:01Speaker 1: like they have to offer any explanation as to why
- 50:03Speaker 1: Brock attack them. Scene is going to be on Raw
- 50:06Speaker 1: tomorrow night. Maybe he can deliver a home run go
- 50:09Speaker 1: home promo to really sell this on his own.
- 50:13Speaker 2: It's just lazy, you know.
- 50:15Speaker 1: I miss the days where when they would build to
- 50:17Speaker 1: a big main event on a pay per view, you
- 50:20Speaker 1: would actually see the wrestlers on the show every week
- 50:23Speaker 1: building to that main event in a fun way. You
- 50:26Speaker 1: don't get that with these part time players, and that's
- 50:28Speaker 1: also a big part of why these weekly shows are
- 50:30Speaker 1: so dull most of the time. Now, the match itself,
- 50:35Speaker 1: I liken it to their extreme Rules match in twenty twelve,
- 50:38Speaker 1: where I think it's going to be a spectacle more
- 50:40Speaker 1: than anything else. Sena is coming off two banger matches
- 50:43Speaker 1: in the month of August, one against Cody and the
- 50:45Speaker 1: other against Logan Paul. The history with him and Brock
- 50:51Speaker 1: dates all the way back to that OVW class of
- 50:53Speaker 1: two thousand and two. You know, they're very familiar.
- 50:56Speaker 2: With each other.
- 50:57Speaker 1: A lot of history there, not all of it great.
- 51:00Speaker 1: Lesner and Sena did not get along back in those
- 51:02Speaker 1: early days. That was more so from the Lesnar side.
- 51:05Speaker 1: He did not like John Cena. He even went so
- 51:08Speaker 1: far as to bad mouthed him to Vince McMahon. So
- 51:11Speaker 1: there's history there, you know. I used to do a
- 51:13Speaker 1: segment on the show called match Anatomy many years ago,
- 51:18Speaker 1: and I did one on their Backlash match from two
- 51:20Speaker 1: thousand and three. It's on episode two fourteen if you
- 51:23Speaker 1: ever want to go back and check that out. They've
- 51:25Speaker 1: had many matches over the years. That was their first
- 51:28Speaker 1: really big match, but this being their last dance together,
- 51:32Speaker 1: I think they're going to go out there and lay
- 51:34Speaker 1: it all on the line, whatever they've got, whatever they've
- 51:36Speaker 1: got left in them. I think we'll see it here
- 51:39Speaker 1: and in the end, Brock Lesner is going to win.
- 51:42Speaker 1: With Brock, you never know what you're gonna get. You
- 51:45Speaker 1: could get an epic battle or you could get a
- 51:48Speaker 1: very boring one. You know, those matches with Bobby Lashley
- 51:51Speaker 1: were very disappointing, but his last match with Roman Reigns
- 51:56Speaker 1: was one of their best. And his very last match,
- 51:59Speaker 1: which was a Cody, was great. I think this one
- 52:03Speaker 1: will be closer to that. By the way, with the
- 52:06Speaker 1: announcement that Sina will only be appearing on Raw from
- 52:09Speaker 1: here on out, it got me thinking about just how
- 52:13Speaker 1: loaded up that Raw roster is right now. Just look
- 52:18Speaker 1: at this, like, this is what Raw has right now.
- 52:20Speaker 1: John Cena. No, granted, John Cena only has limited dates left.
- 52:25Speaker 1: If he even wrestles a match on Raw, maybe he
- 52:27Speaker 1: wrestles one. It's not like he's a full time member.
- 52:29Speaker 1: But he is now a Raw guy for the rest
- 52:32Speaker 1: of the year. So you got John Cena, Roman, Rains,
- 52:35Speaker 1: cm Punk, aj Lee Seth Rollins, Becky Lynch, Eo Sky Rhea, Ripley,
- 52:42Speaker 1: Live Morgan when she gets back, Stephanie Vquire Gunther, the
- 52:48Speaker 1: usso's La Knight bron Breaker, who is like looked at
- 52:53Speaker 1: as the heir apparent and aj styles are all on
- 52:58Speaker 1: Monday Night Raw. There is a serious imbalance right now
- 53:02Speaker 1: between the two rosters, and I didn't mention guys like
- 53:05Speaker 1: Seamus Russev Ilya Dragonov, who is said to be ready
- 53:10Speaker 1: to come back. They're just trying to come up with
- 53:12Speaker 1: a way to reintroduce him and Perbodyslam dot Net. One
- 53:15Speaker 1: idea they've been discussing internally is a program between Dragonov
- 53:19Speaker 1: and Russev as a way to bring him back to TV.
- 53:22Speaker 2: Sign me up. I think those could be some fun matches. Anyway.
- 53:27Speaker 1: I'll be watching Wrestle paloues A live and covering it
- 53:30Speaker 1: live on YouTube Saturday night, so join me there. I
- 53:34Speaker 1: mentioned Stephanie Vekera is gonna be wrestling on NXT this Tuesday.
- 53:37Speaker 1: She's not the only NXT alum wrestling on that show. NXT,
- 53:41Speaker 1: for those who don't know, is presenting its homecoming show
- 53:45Speaker 1: from Full Sale University this week. I do miss those
- 53:48Speaker 1: Full Sale days. It was like the closest thing to
- 53:51Speaker 1: a modern day version of Superstars. It really was like
- 53:54Speaker 1: forty eight minutes in and out. You know, it could
- 53:57Speaker 1: be a mix of good and bad, but I was
- 53:59Speaker 1: most entertained, so those were good times. Carmelo Hayes made
- 54:03Speaker 1: a surprise appearance this week, backing up Trick Williams against DIY,
- 54:08Speaker 1: but also making it very clear the two of them
- 54:10Speaker 1: are not friends again, so the two of them are
- 54:12Speaker 1: going to reunite for a match with DIY this Tuesday.
- 54:15Speaker 1: Then later, after Tavion Hides beat Ethan Page in a
- 54:19Speaker 1: flag match, Tyler Breese made an appearance, coming out to
- 54:23Speaker 1: his old music and wearing his old outfit, the furry
- 54:26Speaker 1: boots and everything. He just looked like he had stepped
- 54:29Speaker 1: out of a time portal from twenty fifteen and right
- 54:34Speaker 1: down to the selfie stick. He laid down in the
- 54:37Speaker 1: ring next to the Page and took selfies, which sets
- 54:39Speaker 1: up a North American title match between the two of
- 54:42Speaker 1: them this Tuesday. Went away by the way to set
- 54:44Speaker 1: up a title match.
- 54:46Speaker 2: Wow.
- 54:46Speaker 1: I was appalled by the lack of reaction for Tyler Breese,
- 54:50Speaker 1: just an appalling lack of respect in the PC for
- 54:52Speaker 1: this man. I was a big Tyler Brees mark when
- 54:55Speaker 1: he debuted that gimmick and then he got called up
- 54:58Speaker 1: to the main roster and that was it. That was
- 55:02Speaker 1: all she wrote, they killed him dead. Then at the
- 55:05Speaker 1: end of the show, Jace Jane was upset with Fallon
- 55:09Speaker 1: Henley and Jasmine Nicks for failing to become number one
- 55:12Speaker 1: contenders for the women's tag team titles, and she was
- 55:15Speaker 1: berating the two of them until Stephanie Vicaierre came out,
- 55:19Speaker 1: then Tiffany Stratton, and then Rhea Ripley after Jace had
- 55:23Speaker 1: declared herself the greatest NXT Women's champion of all time. Yeah,
- 55:27Speaker 1: it's a good thing that three former NXT Women's champions
- 55:30Speaker 1: just so happened to pull up in cars outside the
- 55:33Speaker 1: building at the same time.
- 55:35Speaker 2: You know that she said this. It's amazing.
- 55:37Speaker 1: So all three women hit the ring to take out
- 55:39Speaker 1: Fatal Influence to close out the show, and that match
- 55:42Speaker 1: has been made. It will be Fatal Influence against Ripley, Stratton,
- 55:45Speaker 1: and Vicaire at full Sale. It'll be a fatal funeral
- 55:50Speaker 1: at full Sale for jac and her team. Beyond those
- 55:53Speaker 1: three matches, they're also doing Charlotte Flair and Alexa Bliss
- 55:56Speaker 1: against Tatum Paxley and Izzy Dame for the women's tag
- 55:59Speaker 1: team time and a Grayson Waller Affects segment with Obafemi
- 56:03Speaker 1: and Ricky Saints, and they're also teasing more old names
- 56:07Speaker 1: may be appearing, maybe a Bobby Rude, William Regal. I
- 56:10Speaker 1: think they show Triple H in the commercial. Not a
- 56:14Speaker 1: lot of storyline progression with these matches, but it looks
- 56:18Speaker 1: like it's meant to be more of an anniversary show
- 56:20Speaker 1: than anything else. Now, I got some news here on
- 56:25Speaker 1: a WWE Hall of Famer in one Jerry the King Lawler.
- 56:30Speaker 2: This comes per TMZ Sports.
- 56:32Speaker 1: On Thursday, Jerry the King Lawler was forced to pull
- 56:36Speaker 1: out of a scheduled appearance after suffering a stroke, but
- 56:40Speaker 1: the good news is that he is already on the
- 56:42Speaker 1: road to recovery. According to TMZ Sports, Jerry's daughter tells
- 56:46Speaker 1: us that he experienced the medical issue in Florida last
- 56:49Speaker 1: Friday at one of his homes. He says his daughter
- 56:52Speaker 1: is taking him back to his primary residence where he
- 56:55Speaker 1: will rest up for a few more weeks before getting
- 56:57Speaker 1: back to normal. Lawler was set to appear at Horror
- 57:00Speaker 1: Hound Weekend in Cincinnati starting on Friday, but organizers announced
- 57:05Speaker 1: Monday that he would not be attending due to some
- 57:07Speaker 1: personal matters. Now, there was a subsequent story from the
- 57:11Speaker 1: Fox affiliate in Memphis that he suffered a minor stroke
- 57:15Speaker 1: at his Florida condo that affected his right side. So
- 57:19Speaker 1: his last stroke affected his left side. This one affected
- 57:22Speaker 1: his right side and impacted his vision slightly, although he
- 57:26Speaker 1: is able to walk and talk, according to his caretaker,
- 57:29Speaker 1: and he has since been released from the hospital and
- 57:32Speaker 1: is convalescing at his home in Memphis. That stroke in
- 57:35Speaker 1: twenty twenty three was much much worse. I mean, that
- 57:38Speaker 1: was a massive stroke that he had, but it also
- 57:41Speaker 1: wasn't his first. That came in twenty eighteen. This week
- 57:44Speaker 1: was actually the thirteen year anniversary of what the TMZ
- 57:48Speaker 1: story called his heart attack during an episode of Raw
- 57:52Speaker 1: back in twenty twelve, where he basically died for twenty minutes. Technically,
- 57:57Speaker 1: it wasn't a heart attack. Everyone always says that it was.
- 57:59Speaker 1: I've said that in the past two But what it
- 58:02Speaker 1: was was his heart just stopped beating. Call it a
- 58:05Speaker 1: cardiac episode, but it wasn't actually a heart attack. And
- 58:10Speaker 1: he also got hit with a twenty thousand dollars hospital
- 58:12Speaker 1: bill for that. I remember Lawler complaining about that in
- 58:14Speaker 1: an interview once because they were in Canada. He thought
- 58:17Speaker 1: Canadian healthcare was supposed to be free. What a crock
- 58:19Speaker 1: of shit. It's like, yeah, well it may be if
- 58:22Speaker 1: you're a Canadian citizen who pays taxes. There you're not
- 58:26Speaker 1: a Canadian citizen, Jerry, no free ride for you. Actually,
- 58:31Speaker 1: he did get a free ride since WWE paid the bill.
- 58:35Speaker 1: So anyway, that's his third stroke in seven years. That's
- 58:38Speaker 1: not good. But you know, he's also seventy five years old.
- 58:42Speaker 1: He has obviously a history of health issues, and unfortunately
- 58:46Speaker 1: stuff like that is going to happen for a guy
- 58:49Speaker 1: who had the gift of gab and spent so much
- 58:51Speaker 1: of his career running his mouth and using his words,
- 58:54Speaker 1: and that's how he made money. You know, that last
- 58:57Speaker 1: stroke really did a lot of damage. He was unbusted
- 59:01Speaker 1: open Radio in June and you could tell the toll
- 59:04Speaker 1: that the stroke had on him. He was struggling to
- 59:07Speaker 1: remember people's names that he shared the ring with. At
- 59:10Speaker 1: one point he said, oh my gosh, I just can't
- 59:13Speaker 1: think of their names. You know, one of them is
- 59:15Speaker 1: one of the top heels or baby faces right now,
- 59:19Speaker 1: and Mark Henry had to help him, you know, find
- 59:21Speaker 1: the name, which was CM Punk and he said, yes, yes,
- 59:25Speaker 1: it was CM Punk and then he was talking about
- 59:27Speaker 1: his past rivals and couldn't remember Terry Funk's name, and
- 59:32Speaker 1: Bully Ray said, that must have been one hell of
- 59:33Speaker 1: a stroke if you can't remember Terry Funk's name, And
- 59:37Speaker 1: Lawler said, it's true. I can't remember, like I know
- 59:40Speaker 1: his name, I just can't bring it up.
- 59:43Speaker 2: You know.
- 59:43Speaker 1: Stroke strokes are very scary. They can hit you at
- 59:46Speaker 1: any age, but the older you are the worst. These
- 59:48Speaker 1: things are going to be switching over to the aew side.
- 59:52Speaker 1: This comes from the New York Times, although it was
- 59:55Speaker 1: the Wall Street Journal that broke the story. That's behind
- 59:58Speaker 1: a paywall, though, so this the Times version. David Ellison,
- 1:00:02Speaker 1: the media mogul who took over Paramount just last month,
- 1:00:05Speaker 1: has already set his sights on another blockbuster deal. He
- 1:00:09Speaker 1: wants to buy Warner Brothers Discovery. Mister Ellison is planning
- 1:00:14Speaker 1: a bid for the company which owns HBO, CNN, and
- 1:00:17Speaker 1: the Warner Brothers Movie Studio. According to three people with
- 1:00:20Speaker 1: knowledge of the plans, a merger of the two Hollywood
- 1:00:23Speaker 1: giants would reshape the media industry, putting some of the
- 1:00:26Speaker 1: most renowned news and entertainment brands under the same roof.
- 1:00:29Speaker 1: It would unite two of the biggest movie studios and
- 1:00:32Speaker 1: two of the most influential news networks, CBS News and CNN.
- 1:00:36Speaker 1: Warner Brothers Discovery is already reorganizing its media business. The
- 1:00:40Speaker 1: company said this here that it would split its cable
- 1:00:45Speaker 1: networks rather from its streaming and studio business, following a
- 1:00:49Speaker 1: similar move at Comcast. Mister Ellison is interested in acquiring
- 1:00:52Speaker 1: the entire company, in line with his strategy of doubling
- 1:00:56Speaker 1: down on both streaming and traditional TV. The people would
- 1:00:59Speaker 1: not doledge of the plan said the bid would be
- 1:01:02Speaker 1: made mostly in cash. A deal to acquire Warner Brothers
- 1:01:06Speaker 1: Discovery would be costly. The company is worth forty one
- 1:01:09Speaker 1: billion dollars and has thirty five billion in debt, remnants
- 1:01:13Speaker 1: of the twenty twenty two merger that brought it to life.
- 1:01:17Speaker 1: But the Ellison family has the means. His father, Larry,
- 1:01:20Speaker 1: is co founder of Oracle and one of the richest
- 1:01:22Speaker 1: men in the world, with an estimated net worth of
- 1:01:25Speaker 1: three hundred eighty three billion dollars. Mister Ellison has moved
- 1:01:29Speaker 1: quickly to transform paramount. To succeed, he will need to
- 1:01:32Speaker 1: persuade the board of Warner Brothers Discovery and its shareholders
- 1:01:35Speaker 1: that they are better off selling the company now than
- 1:01:38Speaker 1: waiting for its prospects to improve once it is separated
- 1:01:42Speaker 1: into two companies. News of the potential bids sent Warner
- 1:01:46Speaker 1: Brothers Discovery's stock soaring twenty seven percent on Thursday. Once
- 1:01:52Speaker 1: the split is completed next spring, the company that includes
- 1:01:55Speaker 1: the screaming and studio business, to be called Warner Brothers
- 1:01:59Speaker 1: could be entice to a wide variety of bidders that
- 1:02:02Speaker 1: includes tech companies like Amazon and Apple that are trying
- 1:02:05Speaker 1: to expand their own entertainment businesses. Indeed, some people in
- 1:02:09Speaker 1: Hollywood say the goal of splitting up WBD is to
- 1:02:12Speaker 1: set up a bidding war. So what does this mean
- 1:02:16Speaker 1: for AEW Any shakeup like this could have major consequences
- 1:02:22Speaker 1: for their future on cable TV. You've got UFC content
- 1:02:26Speaker 1: coming to Paramount. They made that ridiculous seven billion dollar deal,
- 1:02:30Speaker 1: almost eight billion dollar deal, and then AAW obviously is
- 1:02:34Speaker 1: tied to Warner Brothers Discovery. I wouldn't think that it
- 1:02:37Speaker 1: would affect their current deal, but it could absolutely affect
- 1:02:40Speaker 1: a possible renewal if Paramount is in bed with TKO,
- 1:02:45Speaker 1: which obviously they are I literally just answered a question
- 1:02:49Speaker 1: about this in the mailbag what two or three episodes
- 1:02:51Speaker 1: ago about Paramount possibly buying Warner Brothers Discovery, And at
- 1:02:55Speaker 1: the time it was just a rumor that was floating around,
- 1:02:58Speaker 1: and I said, I didn't think it would happen right now. Now,
- 1:03:00Speaker 1: you know, maybe in a few years, but not right now.
- 1:03:04Speaker 1: And it looks like Allison is serious about doing this asap,
- 1:03:09Speaker 1: and I could see why he would be. I mean,
- 1:03:11Speaker 1: like I said, then if you combine their streaming subscribers,
- 1:03:15Speaker 1: it would make them the number two streaming service in
- 1:03:17Speaker 1: the world, only behind Netflix. I think aw is safe
- 1:03:23Speaker 1: for now unless the bottom really were to fall out,
- 1:03:26Speaker 1: or a Warner or in this case, Paramount, if you
- 1:03:29Speaker 1: know they owned, it felt like they were no longer
- 1:03:32Speaker 1: getting a return on their investment, you know, and they
- 1:03:34Speaker 1: clearly don't feel that way right now. For all the
- 1:03:36Speaker 1: noise on social media that says otherwise, they clearly don't
- 1:03:40Speaker 1: feel that way right now. If they have certain performance
- 1:03:43Speaker 1: benchmarks that they're no longer meeting, then they're going to
- 1:03:46Speaker 1: be in trouble regardless of who the owners are. You know,
- 1:03:49Speaker 1: the relationships that Tony Kahan has on the WBD side.
- 1:03:53Speaker 1: Those may help him, but only to a point. You know,
- 1:03:57Speaker 1: I think their current deal is safe, but it's twenty
- 1:03:59Speaker 1: twenty seven when they have to worry, and that's so
- 1:04:02Speaker 1: far off it's kind of pointless to even be thinking
- 1:04:04Speaker 1: about it right now. What's happening a lot sooner is
- 1:04:07Speaker 1: Warner Brothers Discovery is splitting into two, right That is
- 1:04:10Speaker 1: what was mentioned in the article. That's supposed to be
- 1:04:13Speaker 1: taking place in April. Now, if this were to go through,
- 1:04:17Speaker 1: maybe that ends up not happening, but as of right now,
- 1:04:20Speaker 1: the company is supposed to split in April of twenty
- 1:04:22Speaker 1: twenty six, and there's talk of a new TNT sports
- 1:04:27Speaker 1: subscription service because we don't have enough of those, and
- 1:04:31Speaker 1: then moving sports off of HBO Max and putting it
- 1:04:35Speaker 1: on there. AW is said to be of the impression
- 1:04:38Speaker 1: that the deal they signed was specifically for the product
- 1:04:41Speaker 1: to be on HBO Max and that would be through
- 1:04:44Speaker 1: at least the end of twenty twenty seven. So even
- 1:04:47Speaker 1: when the company, or when and if the company splits
- 1:04:50Speaker 1: into two, it should not have any negative effect on AW.
- 1:04:53Speaker 1: But you're talking about splitting a gigantic media conglomerate into
- 1:04:59Speaker 1: two parts, like if there are any changes in leadership
- 1:05:03Speaker 1: between now and then, meaning the people who help craft
- 1:05:06Speaker 1: the aw deal are suddenly no longer the ones in charge.
- 1:05:09Speaker 1: That could be very bad, but right now there's no
- 1:05:12Speaker 1: indication of that happening, by the way. David Zaslov, the
- 1:05:16Speaker 1: head of Warner Brothers Discovery, in an interview with a
- 1:05:19Speaker 1: Hollywood reporter, said HBO Max is expected to reach at
- 1:05:23Speaker 1: least one hundred and fifty million homes worldwide next year,
- 1:05:27Speaker 1: and that because of the high quality of the company's films,
- 1:05:30Speaker 1: TV and streaming content, HBO Max plans to raise its
- 1:05:35Speaker 1: subscription prices over time. He says the service is currently
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- 1:08:08Speaker 1: We got an update on Wardlow, and it's not good
- 1:08:12Speaker 1: Wardlow who just came back to aw after a year
- 1:08:15Speaker 1: and a half away healing from injuries and he was
- 1:08:19Speaker 1: filming American Gladiators. So now he finally comes back at
- 1:08:24Speaker 1: Forbidden Door, he joins the don Kallis family. He attacks
- 1:08:27Speaker 1: Swerve Strickland I Prince Nana, and in so doing he
- 1:08:32Speaker 1: hurts himself, Wardlow is injured. He is officially part of
- 1:08:38Speaker 1: this unlucky triad of what I like to call Wardlow,
- 1:08:42Speaker 1: Adam Cole, and Jay White, three men that have been
- 1:08:45Speaker 1: besieged by just injuries at the worst possible time in
- 1:08:50Speaker 1: their career and just seem to have the absolute worst
- 1:08:53Speaker 1: luck in the world. Probably none more so than Adam Cole,
- 1:08:56Speaker 1: because for him it may be career ending, but they are.
- 1:09:00Speaker 1: They are a faction together that I don't think anybody
- 1:09:02Speaker 1: wants to join. Fightful Select reported that sources within AAW
- 1:09:07Speaker 1: are worried the former three time TNT champion may have
- 1:09:10Speaker 1: suffered a torn peck, potentially putting him out of action
- 1:09:14Speaker 1: for some time. The report states that he may have
- 1:09:17Speaker 1: sustained the injury during his return angle at Forbidden Door,
- 1:09:19Speaker 1: where he attacks were of Strickland and aligned with the
- 1:09:21Speaker 1: Kallus family, although that isn't confirmed. Again, this is the
- 1:09:25Speaker 1: original report from earlier this week. Wardlow had just finished
- 1:09:29Speaker 1: filming two seasons of American Gladiators at the time of
- 1:09:32Speaker 1: his return. Filming took place in France this summer, and
- 1:09:35Speaker 1: the show will air on Amazon Prime with no release
- 1:09:37Speaker 1: date yet announced. Wardlow has not wrestled since the March thirteenth,
- 1:09:42Speaker 1: twenty twenty four episode of Dynamite, if you remember, that
- 1:09:45Speaker 1: was their Big Business episode in Boston, where he lost
- 1:09:49Speaker 1: to Samoa Joe in a match for the AW World Championship. Later,
- 1:09:54Speaker 1: in another report from Fightful Select, they revealed a big
- 1:09:57Speaker 1: change to what the original plan was for the AW
- 1:10:00Speaker 1: World title match at All Out. They reported that Wardlow
- 1:10:05Speaker 1: was originally going to challenge Hangman Page, not Kyle Fletcher. However,
- 1:10:09Speaker 1: that had to change after Wardlow tore his pectoral muscle
- 1:10:12Speaker 1: at Forbidden Door while delivering a clothesline. He did make
- 1:10:17Speaker 1: an appearance at the subsequent Dynamite after Forbidden Door, but
- 1:10:20Speaker 1: has not been seen since. Yeah, he made an appearance
- 1:10:23Speaker 1: as a stick figure in the background. Basically, I don't
- 1:10:26Speaker 1: know why Tony Kahan thought that it would be a
- 1:10:28Speaker 1: good idea to have Wardlow's first match, or or first
- 1:10:32Speaker 1: big match anyway in eighteen months beat for the World Championship,
- 1:10:35Speaker 1: especially when the last match he wrestled eighteen months ago
- 1:10:39Speaker 1: that he lost was for the World Championship. I don't
- 1:10:44Speaker 1: really understand that, but it doesn't matter anyway, because now
- 1:10:46Speaker 1: it's not happening. If this guy didn't have bad luck,
- 1:10:49Speaker 1: he would have no luck at all. I don't know
- 1:10:52Speaker 1: what else to say. Obviously, I wish him the best.
- 1:10:53Speaker 1: I hope that the tear is maybe not as severe
- 1:10:57Speaker 1: as it sounds like it is, because if it's a
- 1:11:00Speaker 1: you know, peck tear, if it's bad enough, I mean,
- 1:11:03Speaker 1: that's six to nine months right there. Doesn't mean that
- 1:11:06Speaker 1: he can't be back on TV earlier than that, but
- 1:11:09Speaker 1: he won't be able to get physical, So I don't
- 1:11:11Speaker 1: really see the point in trotting him back on TV
- 1:11:15Speaker 1: until he's ready. So that's another long layoff in you know,
- 1:11:19Speaker 1: a list of long layoffs, whether it was for injury
- 1:11:21Speaker 1: issues or or you know, booking issues. There's certainly been
- 1:11:25Speaker 1: some booking missteps with him over the years, but injuries
- 1:11:28Speaker 1: have also played a role. It's just been one thing
- 1:11:32Speaker 1: after another, you know, And I feel bad for the guy,
- 1:11:35Speaker 1: But I think we've reached a point now where while
- 1:11:38Speaker 1: I hope he can come back and he can be
- 1:11:40Speaker 1: a productive player for them on the roster, I don't
- 1:11:44Speaker 1: really see him ever being at that level that I
- 1:11:47Speaker 1: think a lot of people thought he could one day
- 1:11:49Speaker 1: be at. I don't see that happening now. Enough time
- 1:11:51Speaker 1: has gone by and there's been so many issues, and
- 1:11:54Speaker 1: you know, then it becomes an issue of you know,
- 1:11:56Speaker 1: can you trust him in that spot or something else
- 1:11:58Speaker 1: gonna happen.
- 1:12:00Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't really.
- 1:12:02Speaker 1: I can't sit here and tell you that I see
- 1:12:04Speaker 1: Wardlow being that big player for them that I thought
- 1:12:06Speaker 1: he would be. Hopefully I'm wrong. I just hope he
- 1:12:10Speaker 1: can come back and just have a productive career. At
- 1:12:12Speaker 1: this point, I don't really have any other expectations for him.
- 1:12:15Speaker 2: I hope he gets well soon.
- 1:12:18Speaker 1: Let's talk about this All Out card coming up from
- 1:12:20Speaker 1: Toronto next Saturday. By the way, the Dynamite numbers rebounded
- 1:12:23Speaker 1: this week from four hundred and seventy two thousand last
- 1:12:27Speaker 1: week up to five hundred and eighty four thousand this week,
- 1:12:30Speaker 1: still tied for the third lowest total.
- 1:12:32Speaker 2: Since May, but it's an improvement.
- 1:12:35Speaker 1: Now here's the card as it currently stands for All Out,
- 1:12:39Speaker 1: brody King and Bandido. It will be defending the aw
- 1:12:42Speaker 1: tag team titles in a four way ladder match. Why
- 1:12:47Speaker 1: because why not? They're holding three qualifying matches for the
- 1:12:51Speaker 1: other spots this Wednesday, with the Young Bucks against Juice
- 1:12:55Speaker 1: Robinson and Austin Gunn. That'll be a win for the Bucks.
- 1:12:59Speaker 1: Lucasaurus and he keep saving against jet Speed, which should
- 1:13:02Speaker 1: be a win for jet Speed, and top Flight takes
- 1:13:05Speaker 1: on Josh Alexander and Hetchesero representing the don Kallis family
- 1:13:10Speaker 1: and they will almost assuredly be winning that match. So Brodido,
- 1:13:13Speaker 1: the Bucks, jet Speed and the Callous Family looks to
- 1:13:18Speaker 1: be it. And I've got the Young Bucks winning the
- 1:13:22Speaker 1: tag team titles, and I think from there, I think
- 1:13:24Speaker 1: we get Cope and Christian eventually when they do win
- 1:13:27Speaker 1: the titles, and they will, they win them from the
- 1:13:30Speaker 1: Young Bucks. Eddie Kingston is coming back. He returns one
- 1:13:35Speaker 1: on one against Big Bill. Eddie has not wrestled since
- 1:13:38Speaker 1: May of last year against Gabe Kid. That was where
- 1:13:41Speaker 1: he broke his leg. He tore his acl he tore
- 1:13:43Speaker 1: his meniscus. I mean his leg and his knee basically
- 1:13:46Speaker 1: were just destroyed. He also revealed this week that the
- 1:13:50Speaker 1: day of the surgery, his insurance company, which had told
- 1:13:53Speaker 1: him they would cover it, all of a sudden the
- 1:13:55Speaker 1: day of they said, you know what, We're not going
- 1:13:57Speaker 1: to cover it, which is a wonderful thing to say
- 1:13:59Speaker 1: to somebody On the day of their surgery, when they're
- 1:14:01Speaker 1: already stressed beyond belief. Not the first time they did
- 1:14:05Speaker 1: that to him on the day of a surgery, he said.
- 1:14:07Speaker 1: It happened three years ago, the day he was supposed
- 1:14:09Speaker 1: to have hernia surgery. But Tony Kahn stepped in this
- 1:14:13Speaker 1: time to take care of it, even though he got hurt.
- 1:14:16Speaker 1: You know, technically in a New Japan ring and not
- 1:14:18Speaker 1: in aw ring. How many people does this happen to
- 1:14:22Speaker 1: on a daily basis who aren't lucky enough to have
- 1:14:24Speaker 1: a billionaire step in to pay for it. The healthcare
- 1:14:28Speaker 1: system in this country is infuriating. The setup for this
- 1:14:32Speaker 1: match wasn't infuriating. It was just a very random way
- 1:14:35Speaker 1: to get Eddie back in the mix. It's a way
- 1:14:38Speaker 1: to get him back and get him a win. You know,
- 1:14:40Speaker 1: Big Bill randomly called him out last week on Collision
- 1:14:42Speaker 1: as a fellow New York guy, and that was it.
- 1:14:46Speaker 2: That's how we ended up here.
- 1:14:48Speaker 1: But then again, you know, look, many years ago, a
- 1:14:51Speaker 1: young man named stone Cold Steve Austin started randomly calling
- 1:14:55Speaker 1: out Brett Hart on television when Brett had been gone
- 1:14:58Speaker 1: for months and months, and they ended up having a
- 1:15:01Speaker 1: classic rivalry I don't think Eddie Kingston and Big Bill
- 1:15:04Speaker 1: are going to have a classic rivalry, but I do
- 1:15:07Speaker 1: think Eddie Kingston is going to get the win here too.
- 1:15:10Speaker 1: I think that that's probably the easiest prediction to make
- 1:15:13Speaker 1: on this entire show. Actually, no, the second easiest prediction
- 1:15:16Speaker 1: to make on the entire show, because we also have
- 1:15:20Speaker 1: Mercedes Monet defending her TBS Championship against ReHO, who did
- 1:15:26Speaker 1: not look great in that tag match on Wednesday. It
- 1:15:29Speaker 1: was her first match back since July of last year.
- 1:15:32Speaker 1: Riho is wrestling Robin Renegade on the September to Remember
- 1:15:37Speaker 1: episode of Dynamite this Wednesday, which is actually a three
- 1:15:40Speaker 1: hour block from eight to eleven PM. Years ago, Mercedes
- 1:15:46Speaker 1: said that she would love to form a faction with
- 1:15:48Speaker 1: the Renegade Twins, and here we have one of the
- 1:15:51Speaker 1: twins wrestling Riho. Maybe this is the start of that faction.
- 1:15:56Speaker 1: Faction or no faction. Sydney Sweeney has a better chance
- 1:15:59Speaker 1: of beating Mercedes for that belt than Rijo does, so
- 1:16:03Speaker 1: more than Eddie Kingston and Big Bill. I think the
- 1:16:06Speaker 1: easiest prediction to make here on this card is that
- 1:16:08Speaker 1: Mercedes is going to retain her TBS title. The Hurt Syndicate,
- 1:16:13Speaker 1: Bobby Lashley, Shelton Benjamin and MVP take on Ricochet and
- 1:16:17Speaker 1: the Gates of Agony. You know, there were reports previously
- 1:16:21Speaker 1: about MVP and the Hurt Syndicate not wanting to lose
- 1:16:24Speaker 1: the tag team titles to FTR, and there were certain
- 1:16:27Speaker 1: names floated that they would be willing to lose to,
- 1:16:30Speaker 1: and the Gates of Agony were on that alleged list. Well,
- 1:16:35Speaker 1: time to put your money where your mouth is and
- 1:16:36Speaker 1: this is a big opportunity for the Hurt Syndicate to
- 1:16:39Speaker 1: put these guys over in a major way. So let's
- 1:16:41Speaker 1: see what happens. I'm going with Ricochet in the Gates
- 1:16:43Speaker 1: of Agony for the win. Here, MJF takes on Mark
- 1:16:48Speaker 1: brisco In. What Briscoe said last night on Collision is
- 1:16:51Speaker 1: going to be a tables and thumb tax match. Tables
- 1:16:56Speaker 1: and tax. There's something we haven't seen before in eight boy,
- 1:17:01Speaker 1: I haven't seen one of those in a while. MJF
- 1:17:05Speaker 1: is defending his CMLL title this Friday at Arena Mexico
- 1:17:08Speaker 1: against Mystico. He will lose that championship and then the
- 1:17:13Speaker 1: next night he will or the next day, I guess
- 1:17:15Speaker 1: he will redeem himself here MJF will beat Mark Briscoe.
- 1:17:19Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 1:17:19Speaker 1: I forgot to mention that this is now a three
- 1:17:21Speaker 1: pm Eastern show, so I assume that means that the
- 1:17:25Speaker 1: Zero Hour is starting either at one or one thirty.
- 1:17:28Speaker 1: But it went from an eight pm Eastern start time
- 1:17:30Speaker 1: to a three pm Eastern start time for all the
- 1:17:32Speaker 1: obvious reasons. FTR takes on Adam Copeland and Christian Cage.
- 1:17:39Speaker 1: This is a match that has been on the radar
- 1:17:42Speaker 1: and I think fairly predictable now for many months that
- 1:17:44Speaker 1: it was building to this. The build has been very weird,
- 1:17:50Speaker 1: no more so than on Wednesday. Cope and Christian were
- 1:17:54Speaker 1: not on the show. They had to pull Apart Brawl
- 1:17:56Speaker 1: the previous week, which was fine, you know, standard stuff.
- 1:18:00Speaker 1: They weren't there on the show on Wednesday, FTR was.
- 1:18:02Speaker 1: They came out with stokely hath theway. It was their
- 1:18:04Speaker 1: last night on as far as Dynamite goes at the
- 1:18:07Speaker 1: twenty three hundred Arena. They wrapped up their residency with
- 1:18:11Speaker 1: their taping the next night. But they came out and
- 1:18:14Speaker 1: the segments serve no real purpose other than just to
- 1:18:17Speaker 1: try to make them look like tough guys and put
- 1:18:20Speaker 1: heat on them by trying to pick a fight with
- 1:18:22Speaker 1: the fans, like they thought that they were transported back
- 1:18:26Speaker 1: to the ECW Arena of old in nineteen ninety seven
- 1:18:28Speaker 1: and they were the Dudley Boys, except they're not the
- 1:18:30Speaker 1: Dudley Boys in the ECW Arena in nineteen ninety seven.
- 1:18:34Speaker 1: But there you had Das getting up in you know,
- 1:18:36Speaker 1: fans faces, and they're trying to start something. Then they
- 1:18:39Speaker 1: ended up beating up the cameramen and his assistant and
- 1:18:42Speaker 1: it's like, okay, he's beating up production crew members. I
- 1:18:45Speaker 1: don't know how this is supposed to put more heat
- 1:18:46Speaker 1: on their match with cop and Christian. This was just
- 1:18:49Speaker 1: a very bizarre segment here. I don't know what the
- 1:18:51Speaker 1: hell that was. So they got one more night on
- 1:18:54Speaker 1: Dynamite tomorrow. I think they're having a face to face
- 1:18:57Speaker 1: and let them go out there and cut promos on
- 1:18:59Speaker 1: it each other. That's really all you can do at
- 1:19:02Speaker 1: this point. The match itself should be very good, and
- 1:19:05Speaker 1: I see no reason for Copeland and Christian to lose here,
- 1:19:08Speaker 1: So I have them going over on FTR for the win,
- 1:19:12Speaker 1: and then inevitably it all comes down to just what
- 1:19:15Speaker 1: event he wants to do it at but they will
- 1:19:16Speaker 1: win those tag team titles, and I think it'll be
- 1:19:19Speaker 1: from the bucks. I don't know if it's a full
- 1:19:22Speaker 1: gear thing. I don't know if that's, you know, a
- 1:19:24Speaker 1: world's end. Maybe he wants to save it for the
- 1:19:26Speaker 1: end of the year. I don't know, but I think
- 1:19:29Speaker 1: that's where this is headed. Kazuchka Okada will defend the
- 1:19:33Speaker 1: aw Unified Championship in a three way match against Kenoski Takeshta,
- 1:19:38Speaker 1: who beat Anthony Bowen's last night and the winner of
- 1:19:41Speaker 1: the match this Wednesday between The Beast, Mortos and Mascarroderrada.
- 1:19:47Speaker 1: Okada beat Michael Oku last night on collision to retain
- 1:19:51Speaker 1: his title and advance. Yes, you heard that right. The
- 1:19:54Speaker 1: champion was in the tournament in a title match. I
- 1:20:00Speaker 1: don't make the rules. Don't look at me. Yes, it's dumb,
- 1:20:05Speaker 1: don't look at me. I would assume we're looking at
- 1:20:08Speaker 1: Mortos joining the other two should be a great match.
- 1:20:13Speaker 1: Mortos is going to be in there to take the
- 1:20:15Speaker 1: losing fall when Okada retains. It's the only reason that
- 1:20:19Speaker 1: he or Derata. But I figure it's going to be Mortos.
- 1:20:22Speaker 1: Literally the only reason they're in this match, which then
- 1:20:26Speaker 1: spares Takeshta from a direct loss while preserving him for
- 1:20:30Speaker 1: a future singles match with Okada where he then wins
- 1:20:32Speaker 1: the title. Timeless Tony Storm defends the AW Women's World Championship.
- 1:20:38Speaker 1: So again, you look at this card. Here, they turned
- 1:20:41Speaker 1: the tag team title match into a four way ladder match,
- 1:20:46Speaker 1: they turned the unified title match into a three way,
- 1:20:49Speaker 1: and we have another four way. We have two four
- 1:20:51Speaker 1: ways at least on this show. This time it's Timeless
- 1:20:56Speaker 1: Tony Storm defending the AW Women's World Championship against Jamie Hayter,
- 1:21:02Speaker 1: Chris Statlander and Tecla. And as with the unified title match,
- 1:21:09Speaker 1: as with the tag team title match, you look at
- 1:21:11Speaker 1: all the talent in there, certainly you know should be
- 1:21:14Speaker 1: an excellent match. Not how I wanted to get Tony
- 1:21:17Speaker 1: Storm and Jamie Hater in the ring for the first time,
- 1:21:19Speaker 1: but you know, I'll take it. This is a chance
- 1:21:22Speaker 1: for them to shake things up. This is a match
- 1:21:25Speaker 1: where I think that Chris Statlander should win, and I
- 1:21:27Speaker 1: think she's going to win. I'll make a bold prediction here.
- 1:21:31Speaker 1: I'll go against the grain because I do think there's
- 1:21:33Speaker 1: a really good chance it could happen that Chris Statlander
- 1:21:36Speaker 1: is going to win the Women's World Championship. They've been
- 1:21:39Speaker 1: teasing lately that she might join up, she might link
- 1:21:42Speaker 1: up with the Death Riders. We just saw Daniel Garcia
- 1:21:44Speaker 1: join the Death Riders. Especially if they follow through with her,
- 1:21:49Speaker 1: this would be the place to have her, you know,
- 1:21:51Speaker 1: go over strong and win a championship and bring the
- 1:21:54Speaker 1: title into the Death Riders. Not that I'm saying I
- 1:21:56Speaker 1: want her to join the Death Riders. I greatly dislike
- 1:22:00Speaker 1: that idea, but I'm going with Chris Statlander to win
- 1:22:03Speaker 1: the title. Nothing wrong with shaking things up a little
- 1:22:07Speaker 1: bit and doing a title change here. Statlander is great.
- 1:22:13Speaker 1: John Moxley is going to be wrestling on the show
- 1:22:15Speaker 1: against Darby Allen in a coffin match, and I don't
- 1:22:19Speaker 1: think this is the end of their issues together. I
- 1:22:21Speaker 1: think John Moxley is going to win this coffin match
- 1:22:25Speaker 1: and they're going to continue to play this feud out
- 1:22:28Speaker 1: for a little while longer. And Hangman Adam Page defends
- 1:22:32Speaker 1: the AW World Championship against the TNT champion, Kyle Fletcher
- 1:22:37Speaker 1: in a match where only the AW World title is
- 1:22:39Speaker 1: on the line. It's also a match where Fletcher has
- 1:22:41Speaker 1: guaranteed that no member He's given his word that no
- 1:22:44Speaker 1: member of the Don Kallis family will get involved. That
- 1:22:47Speaker 1: this is coming off an episode of Dynamite where Ricochet
- 1:22:50Speaker 1: had a gentleman's agreement with Shelton Benjamin that the Gates
- 1:22:53Speaker 1: of Agony would not get involved in their match on Wednesday,
- 1:22:56Speaker 1: and then they did because they're heels and heels cannot
- 1:23:00Speaker 1: be trusted. But we're gonna have to take Fletcher at
- 1:23:03Speaker 1: his word here. You know, he said no member of
- 1:23:06Speaker 1: the Kallus family would get involved. That doesn't necessarily preclude
- 1:23:09Speaker 1: someone else who's outside the callous family from getting involved
- 1:23:12Speaker 1: in this match, although other than MJF I'm not sure
- 1:23:15Speaker 1: who that person would be. It doesn't matter though this
- 1:23:18Speaker 1: should be a great match. Hangman Adam Page is going
- 1:23:21Speaker 1: to retain the championship. Kyle Fletcher was not even the
- 1:23:24Speaker 1: first choice to be in this spot. Again, Wardlow was
- 1:23:28Speaker 1: reportedly going to be in this spot and isn't only
- 1:23:31Speaker 1: because he's hurt, so they slotted Kyle in there. So
- 1:23:34Speaker 1: Kyle has even less of a chance of winning the
- 1:23:36Speaker 1: championship that he did before.
- 1:23:37Speaker 2: We read about the ward Low injury.
- 1:23:40Speaker 1: Anyway, I'll have coverage of All Out with my full
- 1:23:42Speaker 1: thoughts as part of the sound off next Sunday. That'll
- 1:23:46Speaker 1: be episode nine thirty. Some other news and notes. All
- 1:23:50Speaker 1: Japan Pro Wrestling held a press conference on Friday to
- 1:23:54Speaker 1: announce the death of twenty one year old star Tyshian Nagau,
- 1:23:58Speaker 1: who passed away after being hit by one of their
- 1:24:01Speaker 1: tour buses back on May thirty first. This is just
- 1:24:04Speaker 1: an awful story. On Friday, All Japan representative director Suyoki
- 1:24:09Speaker 1: Fukuda and director Toshiki Toeda were on hand at the
- 1:24:13Speaker 1: press conference to provide details of the incident that led
- 1:24:16Speaker 1: to his death. Now this comes from Monthly Pro res
- 1:24:20Speaker 1: with a hat tip to the account Mera Wrestling on
- 1:24:24Speaker 1: x for the English translation. It was revealed that the
- 1:24:27Speaker 1: tour bus that struck Nogao did so in a narrow
- 1:24:31Speaker 1: alley near the AJPW dojo. As the incident is still
- 1:24:35Speaker 1: under investigation by the police, no further details were given.
- 1:24:38Speaker 1: Nogao had been in the intensive care unit since May
- 1:24:41Speaker 1: thirty first due to traumatic shock from abdominal compression. There
- 1:24:46Speaker 1: was hope that he would recover following numerous surgeries on
- 1:24:50Speaker 1: September sixth Nogao's condition took a turn for the worse.
- 1:24:54Speaker 1: He passed away on September seventh from Sepsisnigao was cremated
- 1:24:58Speaker 1: on September tenth, with all all japan wrestlers attending to
- 1:25:02Speaker 1: pay their final respects. Dave Meltzer had more information on
- 1:25:06Speaker 1: this in this week's Observer. He said the situation was
- 1:25:09Speaker 1: addressed in vague terms by the company, but everything was
- 1:25:12Speaker 1: largely kept secret from everyone, including the talent. On May
- 1:25:15Speaker 1: thirty first, the tour bus was to leave for a
- 1:25:17Speaker 1: trip for a show in Sendai. He was outside behind
- 1:25:20Speaker 1: the bus and the driver didn't see him and ran
- 1:25:23Speaker 1: him over. The talent on the bus were in shock
- 1:25:26Speaker 1: and had to lift the bus off of him, and
- 1:25:28Speaker 1: many thought he was dead for sure. They administered CPR
- 1:25:32Speaker 1: until the ambulance came. On June twenty first, the company
- 1:25:35Speaker 1: stated that Negau had suffered abdominal compression resulting in traumatic
- 1:25:38Speaker 1: shock from being hit by the bus, and it was
- 1:25:41Speaker 1: said he was receiving treatment in the intensive care unit
- 1:25:44Speaker 1: and was in a critical closely monitored condition. On July
- 1:25:48Speaker 1: twenty second, they said he was in critical condition in
- 1:25:50Speaker 1: intensive care. The company then announced his death on September seventh.
- 1:25:54Speaker 1: Nogw was seen as a very promising rookie, having just
- 1:25:57Speaker 1: debuted last October. His job was to tell the driver
- 1:26:01Speaker 1: left right stop, et cetera, when pulling out backwards. It
- 1:26:07Speaker 1: was a rainy day. Suddenly the driver in backing out
- 1:26:10Speaker 1: ran over him. The goal slipped on a puddle and
- 1:26:13Speaker 1: fell down. The driver didn't hear him nor see him
- 1:26:16Speaker 1: because of a blind spot, and people heard a terrible scream.
- 1:26:20Speaker 1: Some thought that it was the bobcat that hung out
- 1:26:23Speaker 1: at the dojo that the boys leave food for when
- 1:26:25Speaker 1: they heard the scream. Everyone heard the screaming. The gal's
- 1:26:28Speaker 1: upper half of his body was stuck between the bus
- 1:26:31Speaker 1: and the sidewalk and he was bunched up against a
- 1:26:34Speaker 1: cement wall. His face was purple. The wrestlers lifted the
- 1:26:38Speaker 1: bus off of him and moved him to the grass.
- 1:26:41Speaker 1: The All Japan doctor was there with defibrillator pads. He
- 1:26:44Speaker 1: stopped breathing at points, and some thought he was dead.
- 1:26:47Speaker 1: The doctor was just trying to do whatever he could.
- 1:26:50Speaker 1: Everyone kept things quiet, but the original report was that
- 1:26:52Speaker 1: he had internal bleeding and would need surgery, and they
- 1:26:55Speaker 1: thought or perhaps hoped that he would be okay. Talent
- 1:26:59Speaker 1: was never a lie out to visit him. He was
- 1:27:01Speaker 1: in a coma and the belief is that he never
- 1:27:02Speaker 1: woke up from it, and finally the decision was made
- 1:27:05Speaker 1: to remove him from life support. The driver was fired.
- 1:27:10Speaker 1: Those close to the situation said the driver felt horrible.
- 1:27:13Speaker 1: All Japan later hired a professional bus service transportation system
- 1:27:17Speaker 1: with two drivers at all times. He was said to
- 1:27:20Speaker 1: have great promise and picked up on everything very quickly.
- 1:27:24Speaker 1: A memorial service is set for September fifteenth for him
- 1:27:27Speaker 1: at Corrikan Hall at the All Japan Royal Road Tournament event.
- 1:27:32Speaker 1: And that wasn't the only wrestling related death this week.
- 1:27:35Speaker 1: Independent start Jonathan Ekavaria, better known as Jaka, who was
- 1:27:39Speaker 1: well known on the Northeast independent scene. He had been
- 1:27:42Speaker 1: wrestling for almost twenty years. Only thirty nine years old,
- 1:27:46Speaker 1: he had suffered a heart attack after his match for
- 1:27:50Speaker 1: Boca Ratone Championship Wrestling on August thirty first, and had
- 1:27:54Speaker 1: been in the ICU in critical condition ever since. He
- 1:27:57Speaker 1: died last Sunday. A lot of wrestlers I know we're
- 1:28:00Speaker 1: very broken up about his passing, very close to him.
- 1:28:04Speaker 1: His sister had set up a GoFundMe to help pay
- 1:28:06Speaker 1: for his medical bills, but now any and all donations
- 1:28:09Speaker 1: will go towards paying for his funeral expenses and there
- 1:28:12Speaker 1: will be a service held for him in Florida tomorrow.
- 1:28:17Speaker 1: I pulled a bunch of your questions and went through
- 1:28:19Speaker 1: all your emails here. We got a big batch of
- 1:28:21Speaker 1: them to get through. You can always email me for
- 1:28:24Speaker 1: the mailbag, the Solo Monster at gmail dot com. Please
- 1:28:27Speaker 1: include your name of where you are from when you
- 1:28:29Speaker 1: write in. I got a nice email from lt that
- 1:28:33Speaker 1: I thought I would share with you. He said, I'm
- 1:28:35Speaker 1: a soldier in the army who listens to your podcast.
- 1:28:39Speaker 1: There are plenty of times where my day is so
- 1:28:40Speaker 1: busy and long that I can't watch any sports before bed.
- 1:28:44Speaker 1: When I finished the day, I usually just want a shower,
- 1:28:46Speaker 1: spend time with my family if possible, and then go
- 1:28:49Speaker 1: to bed and do it all over again. Your recaps
- 1:28:52Speaker 1: are great because they're thorough and insightful. I could listen
- 1:28:55Speaker 1: when driving home or getting ready for work. I appreciate
- 1:28:58Speaker 1: what you do. Thank you for sending that and that
- 1:29:01Speaker 1: means a lot. And thank you for your service. Michael
- 1:29:06Speaker 1: from Long Island. What did you think about the dumb
- 1:29:09Speaker 1: comments Ronda Rousey made about Alexa Bliss. So, Ronda was
- 1:29:16Speaker 1: on the Lapsed Fan podcast recently. I didn't get a
- 1:29:20Speaker 1: chance to talk about this last week. I didn't hear
- 1:29:23Speaker 1: the entire thing, but I heard enough of it and
- 1:29:25Speaker 1: then I read the rest. She also did an interview
- 1:29:28Speaker 1: with Yahoo's Sports and said that she has no reason
- 1:29:31Speaker 1: to go back to WWE. She accomplished everything she wanted
- 1:29:34Speaker 1: to do based on her last run there. We're all
- 1:29:37Speaker 1: better off without her being there. She also said that
- 1:29:40Speaker 1: she wasn't invited to take part in this year's Evolution show.
- 1:29:43Speaker 1: Not that she turned it down, she just was never invited.
- 1:29:47Speaker 1: And again that Evolution show is one of the best
- 1:29:49Speaker 1: shows WWE is done all year. Where would Ronda have
- 1:29:53Speaker 1: even fit on that card. She could have showed up
- 1:29:55Speaker 1: and just waved to the crowd. It would have been
- 1:29:58Speaker 1: a waste of time for her. But on the Lapse Fan,
- 1:30:01Speaker 1: when one of the hosts suggested that Ronda should have
- 1:30:04Speaker 1: squashed Alexa Bliss when she won her first world title
- 1:30:07Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen, Ronda said, the fact that they had
- 1:30:11Speaker 1: me fighting Alexa Bliss at all was fucking ridiculous. And
- 1:30:15Speaker 1: you want to know why they had me against Alexa
- 1:30:17Speaker 1: Bilists because she had the most merch sales at the time, Like,
- 1:30:20Speaker 1: what the fuck that's your decision making process. I'm not
- 1:30:25Speaker 1: sure Ronda Rowsey understands how pro wrestling works, even all
- 1:30:28Speaker 1: these years later. Promoters go with those who make them
- 1:30:31Speaker 1: the most money. Not only was Bliss one of their
- 1:30:33Speaker 1: top merch sellers, she was the raw women's champion. So
- 1:30:36Speaker 1: it's not as if Ronda had a lot of say
- 1:30:37Speaker 1: in the matter. If they wanted to put the title
- 1:30:39Speaker 1: on her. Bliss was the champion. Therefore she had to
- 1:30:41Speaker 1: beat Alexibilist.
- 1:30:42Speaker 2: To win the belt.
- 1:30:44Speaker 1: Now, if they wanted her to be, you know, the
- 1:30:46Speaker 1: brock Lesner of the women's division, she was no brock Lesner.
- 1:30:50Speaker 1: But I mean, they could have pushed her like that
- 1:30:52Speaker 1: if they wanted too. Sure, Alexa Bliss was only going
- 1:30:55Speaker 1: to get so much offense in on Ronda Rowsey, but
- 1:30:57Speaker 1: the way she is so dismissive of a lot, like
- 1:31:00Speaker 1: who the hell is this girl? Yeah, she was pushed
- 1:31:03Speaker 1: for a reason because she was and still is very popular.
- 1:31:07Speaker 1: This is something Ronda Rowsey doesn't understand. If anyone had
- 1:31:11Speaker 1: a reason to complain. It was Alexa Bliss who got
- 1:31:14Speaker 1: concussed not once, but twice working with Ronda Rowsey because
- 1:31:18Speaker 1: no one bothered to clue Ronda in that wrestling was
- 1:31:20Speaker 1: a fucking work. Apparently, not only does she can cuss
- 1:31:24Speaker 1: her twice, she can cussed her twice on the same move.
- 1:31:27Speaker 1: It was a headlocked takeover, drove her head first into
- 1:31:29Speaker 1: the mat. That's why Alexa didn't wrestle on that first
- 1:31:33Speaker 1: Evolution show. She was stuck standing at ringside because Ronda,
- 1:31:36Speaker 1: who clearly has suffered one too many concussions of her own,
- 1:31:39Speaker 1: pulled a Bill Goldberg and injured her. Ronda has a
- 1:31:43Speaker 1: very high opinion of herself. You know, she accomplished a
- 1:31:46Speaker 1: lot in a relatively short period of time in her career,
- 1:31:49Speaker 1: but she comes across very badly when she makes comments
- 1:31:52Speaker 1: like the ones that she made in that interview. Chris
- 1:31:56Speaker 1: from North Jersey, I can't say I'm surprised, but I'm
- 1:31:59Speaker 1: a little sad after hearing about Mark Shapiro's interview where
- 1:32:01Speaker 1: he states and WWE has a lot of work to
- 1:32:04Speaker 1: do in regards to ticket yields in comparison to UFC.
- 1:32:08Speaker 1: You have to be an adult to attend UFC. Every
- 1:32:11Speaker 1: ticket is bought by someone who can afford to buy
- 1:32:13Speaker 1: a ticket because they're adults. WWE is family friendly and
- 1:32:17Speaker 1: ticketed as such by Vince. I'm afraid a lot of
- 1:32:19Speaker 1: fans will no longer afford to go to events in
- 1:32:21Speaker 1: the future, let alone now they are going around the
- 1:32:25Speaker 1: world now for all events, including WrestleMania. I'm glad I
- 1:32:28Speaker 1: got to go to my fair share with my kids,
- 1:32:31Speaker 1: so I don't have the itch to go to shows
- 1:32:32Speaker 1: much anymore. How long until the fans retaliate, maybe fans
- 1:32:36Speaker 1: go to AW, which is affordable, and TKO is forced
- 1:32:40Speaker 1: to change this. Well, that's not going to happen. You're
- 1:32:44Speaker 1: not going to have such a groundswell of people migrating
- 1:32:46Speaker 1: over to AW that Mark Shapiro looks at this and says,
- 1:32:49Speaker 1: oh my god, we've made a mistake.
- 1:32:51Speaker 2: We have to go back.
- 1:32:52Speaker 1: You're not wrong when you say that it is an opportunity.
- 1:32:56Speaker 1: It certainly is an opportunity for an aid and I've
- 1:32:59Speaker 1: said this before. AW if they were smart, they would
- 1:33:02Speaker 1: take advantage of this. And I don't know what the
- 1:33:05Speaker 1: average AW ticket goes for as compared to WWE these days,
- 1:33:08Speaker 1: obviously there's a big difference, but I would focus on affordability,
- 1:33:12Speaker 1: and I would really you don't even have to mention WWE,
- 1:33:15Speaker 1: but really, you know, focus on affordability when it comes
- 1:33:19Speaker 1: to promoting these events, not that they're cheap, right, you
- 1:33:24Speaker 1: never use that word. You know, they're less expensive, they're
- 1:33:27Speaker 1: more affordable. You never use the word cheap. But there's
- 1:33:30Speaker 1: an opportunity there for them to absolutely try to claw
- 1:33:34Speaker 1: some fans away and just let them know, Hey, if
- 1:33:36Speaker 1: you're looking to go to a wrestling show, not necessarily
- 1:33:40Speaker 1: a WWE show, but a wrestling show, and you're coming
- 1:33:43Speaker 1: to town, give us a chance, right, give us a shot.
- 1:33:47Speaker 1: If you've never been to an aw show before, we're
- 1:33:49Speaker 1: going to give you, you know, more bang for your
- 1:33:50Speaker 1: buck or however they want to promote it. So there's
- 1:33:54Speaker 1: definitely an opportunity there. There will be some fans maybe
- 1:33:57Speaker 1: who who go over. But you know, you mentioned that
- 1:34:01Speaker 1: Vince McMahon was more interested in making the product family friendly. Well, TKO,
- 1:34:08Speaker 1: they have a different way of doing things. They're not
- 1:34:11Speaker 1: so interested in focusing on just that. They see that
- 1:34:16Speaker 1: there is a market for tickets to these events, these
- 1:34:20Speaker 1: premium live events, premium prices right for tickets to these
- 1:34:24Speaker 1: premium live events and other events, and they don't really
- 1:34:27Speaker 1: I don't think they care so much about who the
- 1:34:29Speaker 1: audience is that pays for the tickets. As long as
- 1:34:32Speaker 1: they know there is an audience that will pay those
- 1:34:33Speaker 1: prices for those tickets. If it was just adults, right,
- 1:34:37Speaker 1: then so be it. That's going to be their focus.
- 1:34:39Speaker 1: They're going to go where the money is. I think
- 1:34:41Speaker 1: they're less concerned about the makeup of their audience and
- 1:34:43Speaker 1: just making sure that people are willing to spend that
- 1:34:45Speaker 1: kind of money, and that's the most important thing to them.
- 1:34:48Speaker 1: And that is sad, but that's just the difference between them.
- 1:34:52Speaker 1: That's just the way it is, and not a whole
- 1:34:53Speaker 1: lot that we can do about it, other than certainly
- 1:34:56Speaker 1: people could just stop watching. They could stop buying tickets
- 1:34:58Speaker 1: to the events.
- 1:35:00Speaker 2: I don't even remember the.
- 1:35:01Speaker 1: Last time I went to a WWE event, you know,
- 1:35:04Speaker 1: I'm glad I went to the WrestleManias that I went to.
- 1:35:07Speaker 1: Probably never will again, but I went to about eight
- 1:35:10Speaker 1: WrestleManias in a row, so that was enough for me.
- 1:35:14Speaker 1: It is an experience I think that people if you've
- 1:35:17Speaker 1: never done it before would enjoy, but I could see
- 1:35:20Speaker 1: we're for a lot of fans now it's just way
- 1:35:23Speaker 1: too expensive and as far as twenty twenty seven, a
- 1:35:26Speaker 1: lot of fans are not going to be flying to
- 1:35:28Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia for that one. So I look, I had
- 1:35:32Speaker 1: my phil I'm good, you know, but there are a
- 1:35:35Speaker 1: lot of other fans who are going to be shut
- 1:35:37Speaker 1: out unfortunately, because it's just the way things are now,
- 1:35:41Speaker 1: you know. It's just they have to prioritize, and it's
- 1:35:43Speaker 1: just too expensive. If you have a family, if you
- 1:35:46Speaker 1: have a kid, if you have two kids, three kids,
- 1:35:50Speaker 1: I mean, whoa what must that cost? If you're going
- 1:35:53Speaker 1: to fly to a WrestleMania you have airfare, hotel, food, tickets,
- 1:35:59Speaker 1: if to take out a set mortgage in your house
- 1:36:02Speaker 1: just to afford a wrestle media trip. Aaron from Cape
- 1:36:07Speaker 1: Girardo personally watching WWE in this current triple TKO era
- 1:36:12Speaker 1: is getting tougher and tougher between all of the DQ finishes,
- 1:36:15Speaker 1: the predictable outcomes, the NonStop ads, sky high ticket prices,
- 1:36:20Speaker 1: to focus on celebrities and storylines that feel half baked.
- 1:36:24Speaker 1: It's wearing thin. So it got me thinking, what's been
- 1:36:27Speaker 1: the hardest era or year of wrestling for you to
- 1:36:29Speaker 1: sit through. And you have you ever gotten so frustrated
- 1:36:33Speaker 1: that you almost gave up on WWE completely? I feel
- 1:36:37Speaker 1: like I get this question once every few months. For me,
- 1:36:40Speaker 1: it was the year nineteen ninety five. The product was
- 1:36:43Speaker 1: just very dead. They were going really all in on
- 1:36:48Speaker 1: these just ridiculous, over the top gimmicks. I mean, they
- 1:36:52Speaker 1: always had gimmicks, and there have been some fun ones,
- 1:36:54Speaker 1: but I mean Vince just went on some weird acid
- 1:36:57Speaker 1: trip that year with all of the different characters, and
- 1:37:01Speaker 1: they lost so many big names. They were trying to
- 1:37:05Speaker 1: push a new generation of talent. So you had that
- 1:37:07Speaker 1: core group of like Brett Hart and Razor Ramone and
- 1:37:10Speaker 1: Diesel and the Undertaker was there and Shawn Michaels. They
- 1:37:14Speaker 1: were in a rebuilding process and it was just a
- 1:37:17Speaker 1: very down year. And there was a period in early
- 1:37:20Speaker 1: ninety five where I was I was bored enough that
- 1:37:24Speaker 1: I came close to just giving up because all my
- 1:37:27Speaker 1: friends had stopped watching.
- 1:37:28Speaker 2: I was the only one left.
- 1:37:30Speaker 1: You know, they all used to watch and then they
- 1:37:33Speaker 1: stopped for various reasons. You know, oh it's fake, or
- 1:37:37Speaker 1: you know, maybe they didn't care about that, but then
- 1:37:38Speaker 1: they got bored or they just grew out of it,
- 1:37:41Speaker 1: and I came very close. But beyond ninety five, you know,
- 1:37:47Speaker 1: I can't say in more recent years because this is
- 1:37:50Speaker 1: what I do now, I'm still a wrestling fan in
- 1:37:52Speaker 1: my core, even when I hate it for various reasons,
- 1:37:56Speaker 1: because I know it could be so much better. Now
- 1:37:58Speaker 1: this is what I do, So it's a little bit
- 1:38:00Speaker 1: different now.
- 1:38:01Speaker 2: You know.
- 1:38:01Speaker 1: I rely on this now in a way that I
- 1:38:03Speaker 1: didn't have to all those years ago. There was definitely
- 1:38:06Speaker 1: a period though, in the late twenty tens, you know,
- 1:38:09Speaker 1: certainly with WWE, where I wouldn't say I almost gave
- 1:38:12Speaker 1: up on it completely, but it was very, very difficult
- 1:38:15Speaker 1: to sit through those weekly shows. Absolutely, it's just bad television.
- 1:38:21Speaker 1: There are people who get off on watching bad television
- 1:38:24Speaker 1: and then ranting and raving about it because that's just
- 1:38:27Speaker 1: what they do, or because it sells or whatever. And
- 1:38:31Speaker 1: I can promise you if it were up to me,
- 1:38:33Speaker 1: these shows would be fucking great every week. You know,
- 1:38:35Speaker 1: I wouldn't be like, oh, I want the shows to
- 1:38:37Speaker 1: be bad, like there might be some gold in there.
- 1:38:41Speaker 1: You know, when you have those bad shows, you get
- 1:38:43Speaker 1: those great rants right. But that's not why I do this,
- 1:38:46Speaker 1: because at the end of the day, will people might
- 1:38:48Speaker 1: find that fun every now and then, I still have
- 1:38:52Speaker 1: to sit here and watch these shows every single week.
- 1:38:55Speaker 1: I don't want to feel like I'm wasting my time.
- 1:38:58Speaker 1: And there was definitely a period of of RAW, specifically
- 1:39:02Speaker 1: around twenty eighteen twenty nineteen, where it was very hard
- 1:39:06Speaker 1: to sit through those shows every single week, and many
- 1:39:08Speaker 1: of you were watching those shows right along with me.
- 1:39:10Speaker 2: And I always used to say.
- 1:39:12Speaker 1: People would ask me, well, why do you used to watch,
- 1:39:15Speaker 1: and other than the fact that I do a podcast,
- 1:39:17Speaker 1: I would say, it's the two h's habit and hope.
- 1:39:20Speaker 1: I watch out of habit and I hope it's going
- 1:39:22Speaker 1: to get better. You try to be optimistic about it.
- 1:39:26Speaker 1: That's all you can do. Dak from Saint Paul, Minnesota.
- 1:39:31Speaker 1: I'm writing this before Friday SmackDown, so I obviously won't
- 1:39:35Speaker 1: know the outcome of the women's title match between Tiffany
- 1:39:38Speaker 1: and Jade. On NXT, we saw Tiffy, Rhea, and Stephanie
- 1:39:42Speaker 1: coming out and confronting fatal Influence and setting up a
- 1:39:45Speaker 1: six woman tag for the following Tuesday. My question to
- 1:39:49Speaker 1: you is does this match seem completely illogical and ridiculous?
- 1:39:52Speaker 1: Why would Tiffany care about FI when she has a match?
- 1:40:00Speaker 1: I don't know what that's supposed to mean. Why would
- 1:40:01Speaker 1: Tiffany care when she has a title defense on Friday?
- 1:40:04Speaker 1: Why bump the world title signing from Monday and then
- 1:40:07Speaker 1: have Stephanie's show up for NXT. It just feels hard
- 1:40:10Speaker 1: to be invested in this match when there feels like
- 1:40:12Speaker 1: zero logic to it. Maybe I'm just stupid and don't
- 1:40:16Speaker 1: get it, but what do you think about the match
- 1:40:17Speaker 1: and how they went about setting it up?
- 1:40:20Speaker 2: Now, you're not.
- 1:40:21Speaker 1: Stupid, But as I said earlier, this is just a
- 1:40:23Speaker 1: special anniversary type show that they're doing from Full Sale,
- 1:40:27Speaker 1: so they're trying to pop a rating and they're going
- 1:40:30Speaker 1: back home right to Full Sale University, and so they're
- 1:40:33Speaker 1: just trotting out a bunch of old names to put
- 1:40:36Speaker 1: together a special show that won't really have a whole
- 1:40:39Speaker 1: lot of influence on the week to week storylines. So
- 1:40:43Speaker 1: it's out of nowhere, But it's not because it's all
- 1:40:47Speaker 1: tied into where they're going to be on Tuesday. If
- 1:40:49Speaker 1: they were just doing another random episode of NXT from
- 1:40:51Speaker 1: the PC and all of a sudden, these three women
- 1:40:54Speaker 1: are teaming together. Then yeah, that would be fucking weird.
- 1:40:57Speaker 1: I don't read into it any more than that, though,
- 1:41:00Speaker 1: Dominic from Connecticut, I wanted to get your honest thoughts
- 1:41:03Speaker 1: on Seth Rawlins. Well, I know you respect is in
- 1:41:05Speaker 1: ring ability and longevity. I have noticed that you are irritated, bored,
- 1:41:09Speaker 1: or apathetic with a lot of his segments and work,
- 1:41:12Speaker 1: Especially recently. You have made comments such as the less
- 1:41:15Speaker 1: Seth on TV, the better, and that you like him
- 1:41:18Speaker 1: in small doses. Do you think he is undeserving of
- 1:41:20Speaker 1: the top spot that he is currently in. Is there
- 1:41:23Speaker 1: a version of Seth that you prefer over the others?
- 1:41:27Speaker 2: Actually there is.
- 1:41:28Speaker 1: I still maintain that Shield Seth Rollins was the best
- 1:41:32Speaker 1: Seth Rollins, especially in ring, like when they win, Babyface
- 1:41:38Speaker 1: and Rollins would get like the Babyface hot tag, and
- 1:41:42Speaker 1: there was nobody better at.
- 1:41:43Speaker 2: It in wrestling. At that time. He was fucking great.
- 1:41:47Speaker 1: And that's not to say that he's not great in
- 1:41:49Speaker 1: the ring now. He's just you know, he's ten years older,
- 1:41:51Speaker 1: he's had injuries, and you know, you're not going to
- 1:41:54Speaker 1: be the same that you were when you were ten
- 1:41:56Speaker 1: years younger, so me being sort of apathetic towards Seth.
- 1:42:02Speaker 1: I've never liked this character that he's done where he
- 1:42:06Speaker 1: comes at and calls himself the visionary, the revolutionary, and
- 1:42:10Speaker 1: he you know, hums to his song and every like.
- 1:42:14Speaker 1: That character has always irritated me. I mean, for him,
- 1:42:16Speaker 1: it's the perfect heel character, I guess, but yeah, I've
- 1:42:20Speaker 1: never liked this character.
- 1:42:21Speaker 2: I don't know what he's supposed to be.
- 1:42:23Speaker 1: You know, he was coming out of the funny outfits
- 1:42:25Speaker 1: and everything, and I just I wasn't sure that he
- 1:42:27Speaker 1: even knew exactly what he was trying to be. So
- 1:42:30Speaker 1: I just don't like the character. And I do think
- 1:42:33Speaker 1: that when you have an overload of a lot of
- 1:42:36Speaker 1: people on TV, that could be a bad thing. Unless
- 1:42:39Speaker 1: you are just that special of a performer and just
- 1:42:41Speaker 1: that entertaining, then you can make it work. You know,
- 1:42:44Speaker 1: Prime Rock in the late nineties, early two thousands, If
- 1:42:47Speaker 1: you put him in half a dozen segments on the show,
- 1:42:50Speaker 1: I guarantee you all half a dozen segments would probably
- 1:42:53Speaker 1: be pretty great and pretty entertaining. Seth Rollins is not
- 1:42:57Speaker 1: that guy. He's not the guy that I want to
- 1:42:58Speaker 1: see plastered all over the show show. I do think
- 1:43:00Speaker 1: he's better in small doses, especially when he's on the mic.
- 1:43:04Speaker 1: I just, you know, so many times, like when he's
- 1:43:07Speaker 1: in there with Punk where he gets that one guy
- 1:43:09Speaker 1: that he's really angry with, like he could turn out
- 1:43:11Speaker 1: some really great output on the microphone. But a lot
- 1:43:14Speaker 1: of the times it's not that, you know, it's just
- 1:43:16Speaker 1: him doing his stick, and I don't find it entertaining.
- 1:43:20Speaker 1: I don't think he's undeserving of the spot. I think
- 1:43:22Speaker 1: that he probably is the male MVP in WWE so
- 1:43:25Speaker 1: far in twenty twenty five. So you know, when you
- 1:43:29Speaker 1: hear me make comments like that, I don't want you
- 1:43:30Speaker 1: to mistake it for hatred of Seth. It's just that,
- 1:43:33Speaker 1: you know, when you get too much of him, I
- 1:43:35Speaker 1: think too much of him makes for bad TV, and
- 1:43:37Speaker 1: I think in smaller doses he is better.
- 1:43:41Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of truth in that.
- 1:43:44Speaker 1: Josh from Minnesota Believe a Blaine, Minnesota. When aj Lee
- 1:43:50Speaker 1: came back after fangirling super hard and having her theme
- 1:43:53Speaker 1: stuck in my head all of Saturday, I started thinking
- 1:43:56Speaker 1: of possible matches and scenarios for her. I wanted to
- 1:43:59Speaker 1: get your opinion on two. Do you think that they
- 1:44:02Speaker 1: would have aj Lee hold the WWE or Women's World
- 1:44:05Speaker 1: Championship before WrestleMania, or even have her potentially win the
- 1:44:09Speaker 1: Royal Rumble. I feel like she may be a top
- 1:44:12Speaker 1: favorite to win the Rumble now that she's back. Well,
- 1:44:15Speaker 1: of course she's gonna be a fair she's automatically a
- 1:44:17Speaker 1: favorite to win. I don't think she's going to. I mean,
- 1:44:21Speaker 1: we're still very early out yet from the Rumble. I
- 1:44:25Speaker 1: still think if liv Morgan can make it back in time,
- 1:44:28Speaker 1: she would be my favorite to win the Rumble next year.
- 1:44:31Speaker 1: So I don't see aj winning the Rumble, but she's
- 1:44:34Speaker 1: gonna obviously be in that top five. If you have
- 1:44:36Speaker 1: to make like a top five list of I think
- 1:44:38Speaker 1: of the favorite names to win the Rumble, she would
- 1:44:40Speaker 1: be in the top five. She might even be in
- 1:44:42Speaker 1: the top three. As far as the championship holding it
- 1:44:46Speaker 1: before WrestleMania, I don't see that. And also, after thinking
- 1:44:50Speaker 1: of possible matches that she could have, one that came
- 1:44:52Speaker 1: straight to mind was her in Roxanne Perez. But if
- 1:44:55Speaker 1: they do that, what do you think of them doing
- 1:44:58Speaker 1: maybe a double turn and having a baby fit Roxanne
- 1:45:00Speaker 1: take down a heel aj Lee for either the Intercontinental
- 1:45:04Speaker 1: or Women's World title. Not a fan of her doing
- 1:45:07Speaker 1: that as a heel anytime in the near future. She
- 1:45:10Speaker 1: just came back. She's a massive babyface. CM Punk's a babyface.
- 1:45:15Speaker 1: I think it would be hard to turn her heel
- 1:45:17Speaker 1: and have Punks still be a babyface. She signed a
- 1:45:20Speaker 1: multi year long term contract though she's back full time,
- 1:45:23Speaker 1: so could she turn heel at some point maybe a
- 1:45:26Speaker 1: year from now, two years from now, sure, but there's
- 1:45:30Speaker 1: no way that you turn aj Lee heel anytime in
- 1:45:32Speaker 1: the next six months, eight months, Like, I just think
- 1:45:35Speaker 1: that would be completely ridiculous. Her and Roxanne, though, that's
- 1:45:39Speaker 1: a natural match. I think that's a natural program, especially
- 1:45:42Speaker 1: given how big of a fan Roxanne was of hers
- 1:45:44Speaker 1: when she was younger. I think Roxanne could be the heel.
- 1:45:47Speaker 1: I think that's fine. She doesn't have to be the
- 1:45:49Speaker 1: babyface in that program. June aid from England. With John
- 1:45:54Speaker 1: Moxley being one of the top guys within AW and
- 1:45:56Speaker 1: someone who Tony Kan has relied on to steady the
- 1:45:59Speaker 1: ship during uncertain times, it got me thinking, what if
- 1:46:02Speaker 1: John Moxley had stayed in WWE, how would his career
- 1:46:06Speaker 1: have looked if he would have stayed, how would he
- 1:46:08Speaker 1: have played into the bloodline angle, Cody's return and everything
- 1:46:12Speaker 1: that went down to Wrestlemany of forty with Seth being
- 1:46:14Speaker 1: Cody's right hand man. How would Dean Ambrose be booked
- 1:46:18Speaker 1: under a Paul Levek WWE? And how would aw look
- 1:46:21Speaker 1: without one of their top names? And who do you
- 1:46:24Speaker 1: think fills that spot? That's a lot of what ifs.
- 1:46:27Speaker 1: I don't know who fills that spot. I don't know
- 1:46:29Speaker 1: who that person is. I mean, Jericho was kind of
- 1:46:31Speaker 1: that guy for a while. He was that WWE guy
- 1:46:34Speaker 1: they brought in who had a name, who really helped
- 1:46:36Speaker 1: get them established. So I mean Jericho, maybe they would
- 1:46:40Speaker 1: have relied on him a little bit more heavily. You
- 1:46:44Speaker 1: know what Dean Ambrose's career would have looked like in
- 1:46:47Speaker 1: WWE under Triple H. Honestly, I think he would have
- 1:46:51Speaker 1: been firmly planted in the mid card, like mid card,
- 1:46:56Speaker 1: upper mid card, with the occasional main event program, very
- 1:47:00Speaker 1: much in a Kevin Owens type role. Kevin Owens is
- 1:47:02Speaker 1: a main event guy, but he has not spent the
- 1:47:05Speaker 1: majority of his time in the main event in WWE.
- 1:47:08Speaker 1: He's been in and out of the main event. That's
- 1:47:10Speaker 1: how it would be for Dean Ambrose. He was always
- 1:47:13Speaker 1: the odd man out when it came to all three
- 1:47:15Speaker 1: Shield members. Moxley had to leave.
- 1:47:19Speaker 2: He had.
- 1:47:20Speaker 1: He left because he wasn't happy and that was not
- 1:47:22Speaker 1: going to change under a triple h because in leaving
- 1:47:25Speaker 1: he also got to embrace the style of wrestling that
- 1:47:28Speaker 1: he loves working, and it's a style that he never
- 1:47:31Speaker 1: would have been allowed to work in WWE. Patrick from Montreal.
- 1:47:36Speaker 1: Ever since Mercedes Monet won Nine Belts, I noticed she
- 1:47:39Speaker 1: receives a lot of criticism from legends. Jim Cornett says
- 1:47:43Speaker 1: she sucks now, Dutch Mantel claims that she was never
- 1:47:45Speaker 1: that talented in WWE, and Stevie Richards claims aw has
- 1:47:50Speaker 1: exposed her weaknesses because she no longer has the WWE
- 1:47:53Speaker 1: machine behind her. So a couple of questions, are some
- 1:47:58Speaker 1: of the miserable former WWE legends with podcasts adding way
- 1:48:01Speaker 1: too much fuel to the toxicity and tribalism in the IWC,
- 1:48:06Speaker 1: And if Mercedes was in WWE right now with nine belts,
- 1:48:09Speaker 1: would she get the same hate Because the only problem
- 1:48:12Speaker 1: I see with her is her MIC's skills, but her
- 1:48:14Speaker 1: matches rained from pretty good to amazing. Now she's got
- 1:48:19Speaker 1: a great body of work in the ring. Look at
- 1:48:21Speaker 1: some of the great matches that she's put together ever
- 1:48:23Speaker 1: since she joined AW. Nobody can doubt her in ringwork.
- 1:48:28Speaker 1: Do I think that the you know, the wrestler hosted
- 1:48:33Speaker 1: podcasts who go in on her all the time the
- 1:48:35Speaker 1: way they do.
- 1:48:36Speaker 2: Add to the toxicity. Of course they do. Yeah, they
- 1:48:40Speaker 2: feed into it for sure. You know.
- 1:48:42Speaker 1: My knock on it is that she walks around with
- 1:48:44Speaker 1: nine belts, most of which don't mean anything. So her
- 1:48:49Speaker 1: having nine championships in and of itself does not make
- 1:48:51Speaker 1: her great. I think it's her in ringwork that makes
- 1:48:54Speaker 1: her great. I think she's a great performer. But there
- 1:48:58Speaker 1: are people who just aren't fans of of her wrestling,
- 1:49:02Speaker 1: or aren't fans of her you know, verbal skills on
- 1:49:05Speaker 1: the microphone. They don't find her interesting. She had that
- 1:49:08Speaker 1: segment a few weeks ago where she had all of
- 1:49:10Speaker 1: her belts laid out across the table and was celebrating,
- 1:49:14Speaker 1: and it's like, I've never seen somebody on TV with
- 1:49:17Speaker 1: nine belts just be so uninteresting. So there are fair
- 1:49:21Speaker 1: criticisms of her that you can make without you know,
- 1:49:23Speaker 1: making them personal. Do I think that she would be
- 1:49:25Speaker 1: getting the same level of hate if she had nine
- 1:49:27Speaker 1: belts in WWE. She would still be getting some hate.
- 1:49:31Speaker 1: It would not be as vocal as it is. That
- 1:49:35Speaker 1: much I can say, because a lot of it also
- 1:49:38Speaker 1: comes from people who are just generally vocal about anything
- 1:49:41Speaker 1: outside of WWE, and specifically Tony Connen aw So a
- 1:49:46Speaker 1: lot of those same people. If Mercedes were to come
- 1:49:48Speaker 1: back to WWE and had a bunch of championships, then no,
- 1:49:51Speaker 1: they would not be as vocally against her as they
- 1:49:54Speaker 1: are now. That is absolutely part of it. Speaking of Montreal,
- 1:49:59Speaker 1: we have it is from Jose in New York City.
- 1:50:02Speaker 1: I wanted to get your thoughts on my opinion about
- 1:50:04Speaker 1: the best wrestling cities both domestically and internationally as part
- 1:50:08Speaker 1: of my Mount Rushmore. Domestically, I have Chicago, New York, Philadelphia,
- 1:50:13Speaker 1: and Boston. Internationally, I would choose London, Paris, Montreal, and
- 1:50:18Speaker 1: San Juan Puerto Rico. Well, right, First of all, I
- 1:50:23Speaker 1: have to say San Juan Puerto Rico would not technically
- 1:50:25Speaker 1: be considered an international location, so you have to scratch
- 1:50:29Speaker 1: that from your Mount Rushmore and add a different one.
- 1:50:32Speaker 1: I'm not going to do the Mount Rushmore thing. But domestically,
- 1:50:35Speaker 1: when you say best, I assume you mean the loudest.
- 1:50:39Speaker 1: We're not talking about drawing power here. We're talking about
- 1:50:42Speaker 1: like just this loud, energetic crowd New York, which can
- 1:50:47Speaker 1: be hit or missed. But I think by and large
- 1:50:49Speaker 1: New York and definitely Chicago. I would actually put Chicago
- 1:50:52Speaker 1: at number one. New York and Chicago were at the
- 1:50:55Speaker 1: top of the list, and you know who I would
- 1:50:58Speaker 1: throw in there, Seattle. I feel like Seattle is generally
- 1:51:03Speaker 1: pretty loud whenever they visit. Montreal is another. So internationally,
- 1:51:10Speaker 1: I mean most of the crowds are loud. I mean London,
- 1:51:14Speaker 1: they were just in Paris. You heard that crowd leone France.
- 1:51:18Speaker 1: I guess I'll just say France. But as far as
- 1:51:22Speaker 1: like a whole list, I mean, I don't know. Those
- 1:51:25Speaker 1: are the ones that come to mind for me. Big
- 1:51:28Speaker 1: Zeus from Washington, d C. I was wondering if there's
- 1:51:31Speaker 1: any truth to the story that Shawn Michaels used as
- 1:51:34Speaker 1: backstage stroke to win the European title off of Davy
- 1:51:37Speaker 1: Boyce Smith. As I've heard it, Davey wanted to dedicate
- 1:51:40Speaker 1: the match to his sister, who was battling cancer, and
- 1:51:43Speaker 1: he was originally going to go over by d Q,
- 1:51:45Speaker 1: but Sean being Sean, convinced Vince McMahon to put the
- 1:51:48Speaker 1: title on him to generate heat, which Davy reluctantly went
- 1:51:51Speaker 1: along with, only for Sean to fingerpoke drop it to
- 1:51:54Speaker 1: Triple H a few weeks later. Was that the plan
- 1:51:58Speaker 1: all along? Or did Sean screw Davy? It was definitely
- 1:52:03Speaker 1: not the plan all along. He did finger poke drop
- 1:52:05Speaker 1: it quote unquote finger poke to triple H. It was
- 1:52:09Speaker 1: actually a couple months later, but yes, that's exactly what happened.
- 1:52:14Speaker 1: Davy Boy was supposed to win. The finish was set.
- 1:52:17Speaker 1: He did dedicate the match to his sister, who she
- 1:52:20Speaker 1: wasn't just battling cancer, she was terminally ill. She was
- 1:52:23Speaker 1: dying with cancer. Not only did he dedicate the match
- 1:52:26Speaker 1: to his sister, his sister escorted him down to the ring.
- 1:52:31Speaker 1: I think his wife was supposed to Diana. I've heard
- 1:52:34Speaker 1: her say that the agent for the match, and she
- 1:52:36Speaker 1: would never say who it was, but she claimed the
- 1:52:39Speaker 1: agent didn't like them to begin with, didn't like Davy,
- 1:52:43Speaker 1: but he didn't want her out there like escorting him
- 1:52:47Speaker 1: to the ring because Princess Diana had just died only
- 1:52:52Speaker 1: weeks before this, and the agent felt like this Diana
- 1:52:55Speaker 1: looked a lot like that Diana, and so I guess
- 1:52:58Speaker 1: it would have been in poor taste send I don't
- 1:53:00Speaker 1: really understand the logic there, but they wanted some model
- 1:53:05Speaker 1: to escort a Davy instead to the ring, and Davy said,
- 1:53:07Speaker 1: I'm not coming to the ring with a random model,
- 1:53:09Speaker 1: so he took his sister with him instead. But Sean
- 1:53:12Speaker 1: got Invince's ear. That's what happened and triple H two.
- 1:53:15Speaker 1: I'm sure just like he did with Montreal, because he's
- 1:53:17Speaker 1: a snake, and suddenly the finish got changed. This is
- 1:53:22Speaker 1: what happens when you let the inmates run the asylum,
- 1:53:25Speaker 1: and you see what ended up happening. I'm sure Sean
- 1:53:27Speaker 1: got in his ear and said, hey, let me win
- 1:53:29Speaker 1: the belt here and the next time we come back
- 1:53:32Speaker 1: to the UK for one of these pay per views,
- 1:53:35Speaker 1: and I think they came back it was the following.
- 1:53:38Speaker 2: April.
- 1:53:39Speaker 1: I think that was that Mayhem and Manchester show that
- 1:53:41Speaker 1: they did. You know, when we come back, I'll drop
- 1:53:44Speaker 1: it back to Davy. Meanwhile, by that point Davey was
- 1:53:48Speaker 1: gone and Seawan was gone. Right after WrestleMania, he went
- 1:53:52Speaker 1: away and that was back during that period where he was,
- 1:53:55Speaker 1: you know, popping more pills than a pharmacist. His back
- 1:53:58Speaker 1: was wrecked and he wasn't wrestling anymore. But whatever explanation
- 1:54:01Speaker 1: he gave to Vince, Vince went along with it.
- 1:54:03Speaker 2: It was terrible. Jack from Jacksonville.
- 1:54:08Speaker 1: You recently mentioned that the cmpunk situation was easily aw's
- 1:54:11Speaker 1: darkest day. What do you consider to be some of
- 1:54:14Speaker 1: WWE's darkest days. I would say the night Vince McMahon
- 1:54:19Speaker 1: stood in the middle of that empty arena and announced
- 1:54:22Speaker 1: the death of Chris Benois and his family is the
- 1:54:25Speaker 1: darkest day in WWE history, and the night that Owen
- 1:54:28Speaker 1: Hart fell to his death in the ring. Those are
- 1:54:32Speaker 1: the only correct answers. Nothing else even comes close. Christian
- 1:54:39Speaker 1: from Las Vegas with a buy, sell and rent question.
- 1:54:42Speaker 1: I've always appreciated when a wrestler has a standout performance
- 1:54:45Speaker 1: where they lose a high stakes match but their heart
- 1:54:48Speaker 1: and performance get them more over despite losing.
- 1:54:52Speaker 2: Well, I mean, that's.
- 1:54:53Speaker 1: Sort of the whole point of the Brett Hart Steve
- 1:54:56Speaker 1: Austin submission match or Wrestle Many at thirteen, but he
- 1:55:00Speaker 1: says rent and sell on these three matches were one
- 1:55:03Speaker 1: wrestler loss but got more over due to their performance.
- 1:55:07Speaker 1: Kazuchka Okada against Kenny Omega at Wressell Kingdom eleven, Gunther
- 1:55:12Speaker 1: against Seamus at Clash at the Castle twenty twenty two.
- 1:55:17Speaker 1: Undertaker versus Jeff Hardy on Raw in a ladder match.
- 1:55:20Speaker 2: Two thousand and two.
- 1:55:23Speaker 1: So I'm actually gonna buy on Okata and Omega at
- 1:55:28Speaker 1: Wressell Kingdom e eleven. That was the match that made
- 1:55:31Speaker 1: Omega as far as I'm concerned. This was their first
- 1:55:33Speaker 1: match together and it opened a lot of eyes as
- 1:55:37Speaker 1: to what kind of star Kenny could really be. So
- 1:55:40Speaker 1: I gotta buy on that. I'm gonna rent on Undertaker
- 1:55:44Speaker 1: and Jeff Hardy. I might have bought on the Jeff
- 1:55:46Speaker 1: Hardy match if it had led to a big run
- 1:55:48Speaker 1: for him, but Jeff was dealing with his personal problems,
- 1:55:51Speaker 1: and I think it was less than a year later
- 1:55:53Speaker 1: he was gone from the company. But people still talk
- 1:55:56Speaker 1: about that moment or you know, or Undertaker, who was
- 1:55:58Speaker 1: a heel, put him over at the end, and I
- 1:56:01Speaker 1: think he helped him to his feet. Maybe he shook
- 1:56:03Speaker 1: his hand. Whatever it was, I'm gonna sell on Gunther
- 1:56:06Speaker 1: and Seamus. I'm a little confused on why you would
- 1:56:08Speaker 1: include this one because Seamus at that point he was
- 1:56:11Speaker 1: already very well established.
- 1:56:12Speaker 2: I don't know that it got him more over.
- 1:56:14Speaker 1: I think Seamus was already as over as he was
- 1:56:16Speaker 1: going to be at that point, so I don't think
- 1:56:19Speaker 1: it got him more over. I just think they had
- 1:56:21Speaker 1: a just a great classic match. I thought it was
- 1:56:24Speaker 1: the WWE match of the year that year, and that's
- 1:56:27Speaker 1: really it is a great match. I couldn't even really
- 1:56:32Speaker 1: tell you what they did after that with Seamus, so
- 1:56:36Speaker 1: I wouldn't say it got him moreover. He was already over.
- 1:56:41Speaker 1: Steve from Virginia, what are your favorite uses of foreshadowing
- 1:56:46Speaker 1: in pro wrestling? Oh, that's a good one. Well, the
- 1:56:51Speaker 1: earliest use of foreshadowing that I can remember as a
- 1:56:53Speaker 1: fan would have been Macho Man looking at Hogan every
- 1:56:59Speaker 1: time he would elebrate with Elizabeth Right, they were foreshadowing
- 1:57:03Speaker 1: that the Mega Powers explosion was coming months before it happened.
- 1:57:08Speaker 1: Stone Cold in the sit down with the Rock before
- 1:57:11Speaker 1: their match of WrestleMania seventeen, when he said I need
- 1:57:13Speaker 1: to beat you Rock, I need more than anything that
- 1:57:16Speaker 1: you could ever imagine. Right, And then what actually happened
- 1:57:19Speaker 1: in the match, right, that was a great use of foreshadowing.
- 1:57:24Speaker 1: And then you know, honestly, it may not have been intended. Right,
- 1:57:29Speaker 1: Nobody at the beginning of the year could have predicted
- 1:57:32Speaker 1: what would happen at the end of that year, not
- 1:57:34Speaker 1: even Vince McMahon himself, but Brett Hart going around for
- 1:57:37Speaker 1: almost a year bitching about being screwed right from the
- 1:57:43Speaker 1: moment he came back at the end of nineteen ninety
- 1:57:45Speaker 1: six and he got that first championship match. It was
- 1:57:49Speaker 1: the month after that first match with Steve Austin and
- 1:57:53Speaker 1: Brett wrestled sid at An in Your House, and Shawn
- 1:57:55Speaker 1: Michaels was ringside for that match on commentary and Sewn
- 1:57:59Speaker 1: ended up getting in and they collided on the apron
- 1:58:01Speaker 1: and Breck up power bombed and pinned. They screwed me.
- 1:58:05Speaker 1: They screwed him out of the title when Shawn Michaels
- 1:58:07Speaker 1: interfered in that match. They screwed me out of a
- 1:58:10Speaker 1: Royal Rumble win.
- 1:58:11Speaker 2: Right.
- 1:58:12Speaker 1: Steve Austin then screwed him out of the title when
- 1:58:15Speaker 1: he lost the belt. To sid on Monday Night Row.
- 1:58:18Speaker 1: They screwed him again when he lost the cage match
- 1:58:20Speaker 1: to Sid on Raw. That was the night that he
- 1:58:22Speaker 1: shoved Vince McMahon down on his ass. One screw job
- 1:58:26Speaker 1: after another, only to lead to a very real screw
- 1:58:29Speaker 1: job at Survivor Series. Like, if that isn't some eerie
- 1:58:32Speaker 1: foreshadowing of life imitating art, I don't know what is,
- 1:58:39Speaker 1: and I didn't even realize it until just recently. I
- 1:58:41Speaker 1: was watching the match again when WWE uploaded to their
- 1:58:45Speaker 1: YouTube channel as part of their fifty Greatest WrestleMania Matches countdown.
- 1:58:49Speaker 1: They uploaded Brett Hart and Stone Cold WrestleMania at thirteen.
- 1:58:54Speaker 1: There's a moment in that match where Steve Austin tries
- 1:58:56Speaker 1: to put Brett in the sharpshooter but he can't get
- 1:58:58Speaker 1: it applied, and then Jerry says, oh, that would be
- 1:59:02Speaker 1: the greatest thing ever right for Brett Hart to have
- 1:59:04Speaker 1: to submit to the sharpshooter, and Vince McMahon just goes, Hey,
- 1:59:08Speaker 1: it could happen. Then you think about what happened that
- 1:59:12Speaker 1: night in Montreal. I that's just wild Neil from Chicago
- 1:59:19Speaker 1: with a non wrestling buyer cell and we'll end with this.
- 1:59:22Speaker 1: I'm throwing a curveball asking this, but I would like
- 1:59:25Speaker 1: to know buy or sell on who you enjoy or
- 1:59:27Speaker 1: enjoyed watching more John Candy or Chris Farley.
- 1:59:33Speaker 2: Man.
- 1:59:33Speaker 1: I loved them both, both gone far too soon, two
- 1:59:38Speaker 1: comedic geniuses. Farley and Tommy Boy in Black Sheep was great.
- 1:59:43Speaker 1: Beverly Hills, Ninja not so much obviously, he was great
- 1:59:47Speaker 1: on SNL. I love Matt Foley, but I got a
- 1:59:50Speaker 1: buy on John Candy here. I mean Spaceballs, Home Alone,
- 1:59:56Speaker 1: Armed and Dangerous planes, trains and automobiles. I try to
- 1:59:59Speaker 1: watch that every year around Thanksgiving. Uncle Buck is a classic.
- 2:00:04Speaker 1: He did a movie it's not as well known. I
- 2:00:06Speaker 1: liked it called Who's Harry Crumb? It's It's really a shame.
- 2:00:11Speaker 1: He was just far too young when he passed to
- 2:00:13Speaker 1: what was he forty three? Maybe when he died. I
- 2:00:16Speaker 1: know Farley was even younger than that. Anyway, Thank you Neil,
- 2:00:20Speaker 1: Thank you everyone for all of the great questions. Keep
- 2:00:23Speaker 1: him coming. It should be a regular schedule this week
- 2:00:27Speaker 1: with all the live streams. Wrestled Baluza next weekend and
- 2:00:31Speaker 1: then sound Off nine thirty next Sunday. But everything is
- 2:00:35Speaker 1: just sort of up in the air right now with
- 2:00:37Speaker 1: what's happening on the personal front. I'll try to keep
- 2:00:40Speaker 1: you guys posted. Thank you for your understanding, be well,
- 2:00:44Speaker 1: stay safe, and I will see you back here next time.
- 2:00:48Speaker 1: Until then, take care, guys. The Solemn Monster sounds off
- 2:00:52Speaker 1: John Moxley, in case you couldn't tell, it's still the
- 2:00:55Speaker 1: aw World Heavyweight champ. That means we have another month
- 2:00:58Speaker 1: of this death writer's bullshit and I can barely stomach swarm.
- 2:01:01Speaker 1: Strickland is going to Dinas. He will challenge John Boxley
- 2:01:04Speaker 1: for that title and he better fucking win. He's the
- 2:01:06Speaker 1: right man for the job. Honestly, anybody would be the
- 2:01:08Speaker 1: right man for the job. The Maytag man would be
- 2:01:10Speaker 1: the right man for the job right now. The Orcan
- 2:01:13Speaker 1: man would be the right man for the job right now.
- 2:01:15Speaker 1: I could walk out my front door, right now, I
- 2:01:17Speaker 1: could go five blocks down the street.
- 2:01:19Speaker 2: First fucking guy.
- 2:01:19Speaker 1: That I see, maybe he's got a bottle of beer
- 2:01:21Speaker 1: in a brown paper bag, whatever it is, I'll grab him.
- 2:01:24Speaker 2: He would be the man for the job.
- 2:01:25Speaker 1: I would have preferred the rizzler come out and sign
- 2:01:29Speaker 1: his name to that contract.
- 2:01:30Speaker 2: And pin John Moxley to win the AW World title.
- 2:01:33Speaker 1: I would have taken Big Boom Aj as the AW
- 2:01:37Speaker 1: World Champion.
- 2:01:40Speaker 2: Can you imagine the.
- 2:01:41Speaker 1: Heads that would explode if that happened. Anybody but what
- 2:01:45Speaker 1: they're doing now, Anybody but Moxley, anybody.
- 2:01:47Speaker 2: But the Death Riders stuff. We need to move on
- 2:01:49Speaker 2: from this.
- 2:01:50Speaker 3: Well. Solom Monster sounds off bringing you the good, the bad,
- 2:01:55Speaker 3: and the ugly. Check out the weekly live streams bonus
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