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The Pacers Report with Mike Rich, Mike Hutsell & Michelle Garmon (2.299.1) · The Central Indiana Sports Report

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[SPEAKER_03]: You are listening to the basics report with Mike Rich, typically every Monday on the Central Indian Sports Report.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This week joined by Mike Hutsl and Tipton Tribunino would call either sports editor, Michelle Garman, to discuss season expectations now that the roster seems set.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Welcome Paces fans of the Central Indian Sports Report for this week's Paces Report with Mike Rich, Mike and I today joined by Mike Hutsl from the IU Report and Tipped and Tribunal with Colleader Sports Editor Michelle Garman to talk about our expectations for the 26-27 Indian Paces now that the roster we assume is set going forward.
0:50
[SPEAKER_03]: with the latest edition of Kelly Ubrain.
0:52
[SPEAKER_03]: I think we need to start with Kelly Ubrae.
0:54
[SPEAKER_03]: I was worth an emergency podcast, but definitely worth leading off this podcast.
0:59
[SPEAKER_03]: And I've been going back and forth with share my opinion on him first or get everybody else's first.
1:05
[SPEAKER_03]: And I've decided Mike, let's start with your opinion.
1:09
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he improves our bench, I think it's a good addition, wasn't a high-cost contract, what was it 17 million something like after two years, so a half million a year, whatever.
1:22
[SPEAKER_01]: If he can average what he average, then Philadelphia, I mean, I think that's a good ad, I mean,
1:28
[SPEAKER_01]: He was Irish about 13 points again.
1:30
[SPEAKER_01]: He's decent player.
1:32
[SPEAKER_01]: He probably had a lot more potential when he was in Philadelphia and maybe we'll see some of that potential when he comes and plays for the Pacers.
1:41
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what, I think he's a good addition to for the bench.
1:45
[SPEAKER_00]: I kind of like it.
1:45
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to, I think he's going to, uh,
1:49
[SPEAKER_00]: find a home here.
1:51
[SPEAKER_00]: I know that, you know, the sixers, it's a dysfunctional franchise.
1:57
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm looking forward to seeing what he does when he comes to a good franchise with good culture and just good people and it under a really good coach and, you know, a good locker room.
2:10
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he, you know, he's a good defender.
2:13
[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to
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[SPEAKER_00]: be a better defender than Matherin from what I'm hearing.
2:19
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, versatility, I like it.
2:21
[SPEAKER_00]: It gives a scoring of the bench at the cam and you know, Obi-Toppin and TJ McConaugle have the ability to bring energy off that bench.
2:31
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that will be important to the spacers, especially until group gets you to play together again with Halbert's return.
2:42
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, agree with everything.
2:42
[SPEAKER_02]: You guys have said if you're in a position where Kelly Uberays are seven eighth ninth best guy, you're in pretty good spot.
2:49
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like, I mean, they're not bringing him in to start.
2:52
[SPEAKER_02]: I've seen people try to say he's going to be the three.
2:55
[SPEAKER_02]: He's not going to be the three.
2:56
[SPEAKER_02]: He's going to be the reserve, the three.
2:59
[SPEAKER_02]: He'll come in.
3:00
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it'd be depending on what happens with Jaris, the rest of the, you know, if he makes it to the roster next year.
3:06
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, Uber is probably your ninth best guy, but if that's your ninth best guy, you've got a pretty good team.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's had some really good moments in Philly a couple of years ago.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He may have been there second or third best player and had an unfortunate incident where I think he got rain over by car if I remember correctly and kind of fell off a little bit after that, but he's athletic.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He can defend.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He brings like a dimension off the bench that
3:32
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't really think the Pacers had, and that run two years ago, their bench was OB and, you know, Jarris was not quite there.
3:41
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a fan of it.
3:42
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it fits right with what they needed.
3:45
[SPEAKER_02]: It's pretty good spot to be in again.
3:49
[SPEAKER_03]: I agree with everything everybody just said.
3:51
[SPEAKER_03]: He, the other thing I want to add is that he plays hard all the time.
3:55
[SPEAKER_03]: He's a guy who is when he's on the floor, he's always playing hard.
3:58
[SPEAKER_03]: In fact, sometimes the 76ers would just give him the ball and be lazy and watch him play.
4:06
[SPEAKER_03]: When they were being lazy, which is a pretty typical thing with that 76er's team with him beat.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, the only thing is,
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's a good score, a good defender, a good rebounder for his size, and he is exactly like a Michelle already brought him up exactly the same player as Benedict Matherin, who they kept saying did not fit in with this team.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He is the exact same player.
4:30
[SPEAKER_03]: The next pass he throws will be the first one, he never passes immediately.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The Pacer's offense is quick passes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: is a black hole, he gets the ball and he holds it, just like Benedict Matherin did.
4:45
[SPEAKER_03]: He is an incredible one-on-one basketball player.
4:49
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just not sure he fits in with the Pacers, but if you trust in Kevin Preacher, he's always kind of, I've always disagree with his moves and they've always disproven me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And if this works out right, and he becomes the go-to score on the second team, it could be a championship winning move.
5:07
[SPEAKER_03]: I just doubt it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I feel like he brings a little bit more than Madhern because he's bigger than Madhern was what, six, five, Uber, he's a vendor.
5:19
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this is a say, he's a much better defender.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, when you got to potentially guard an OG on an OB or Jason Tatum, you can put a guy like Uber on those guys and you can't really do that with Madhern, Madhern was probably to me a better offense of player, but I think Uber is overall gain.
5:37
[SPEAKER_02]: He brings more to the bench than Madhern did in that spot.
5:41
[SPEAKER_03]: Ubra is more consistent, he's more mature, but I think Matherin had potential to be a really good defender and a really good score.
5:49
[SPEAKER_03]: I understand he's going to cost a much more and so you go with Ubra.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just saying, I'm not sure it fits well with the Pacers overall philosophy and scheme.
5:58
[SPEAKER_03]: That's all.
6:00
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, the work is kind of showing you what they think of Matherin right now.
6:03
[SPEAKER_02]: He's there's no buzz on him signing with anybody.
6:08
[SPEAKER_02]: There's actually been some, you know, pace or fans online that are like, are we bringing them back?
6:13
[SPEAKER_02]: Are we bringing them back?
6:13
[SPEAKER_02]: Is it this has been the long, long, long, long, long, long.
6:19
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I think Goobrey is very, very, very solid edition.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think it's one that you can be happy with.
6:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, it grew.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm happy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: with the Ray on the Pacers on the bench and coming off the bench and being paired with Walker and McConnell and Obi-Topman and that second squad and if he's like matter and you're getting for half of the price I think that's not a bad addition to that second squad.
6:49
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's a win.
6:51
[SPEAKER_01]: Like you said, Greg, I trust in Kevin
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[SPEAKER_01]: dude can score.
7:01
[SPEAKER_01]: He can get more.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's a guy that he can give the ball get out of the way and he can score.
7:08
[SPEAKER_03]: Not exactly.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He had it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But when he had a good game against the against the Celtics in the playoffs, so he can do that when he started a thing.
7:19
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, so that brings us to a roster that we're pretty sure that we know now starting line up the 95% I think was 99% now it's a 95% that it's going to be Halibut and Imhard and East Smith, Siakim and Zubats with a really nice bench McConnell, Ubrae.
7:45
[SPEAKER_03]: I guess we're not going to upgrade it center.
7:47
[SPEAKER_03]: So we're guess we're looking at J. Huff and Obi-top and who now is a fixture and it's just going to be fun in that second team and that second team has potential to just not only be pretty darn good but be a lot of fun.
8:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I 100% agree.
8:02
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's going to be a fun season.
8:07
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't get worse than last year, you know, I thought the fans did pretty good last year with only when in 19 games and I did go to a few games last year and I anticipate I'll go to a few this year and.
8:23
[SPEAKER_01]: really looking forward to it.
8:24
[SPEAKER_01]: I think we're going to have a good product on the floor and as long as we're healthy, I think we are contending in the eastern conference and for those, one of those top three spots at the end is the season.
8:36
[SPEAKER_01]: I think we'll probably be a little over 50 wins next the season and make the playoffs and hopefully make another run.
8:45
[SPEAKER_01]: I think this team is potentially better than the team that went to the finals.
8:53
[SPEAKER_01]: No question.
8:54
[SPEAKER_01]: No question.
8:55
[SPEAKER_01]: You got a healthy haliburken coming back in 16 months off.
8:59
[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to take a little while for the chemistry to evolve with that team and let's zoo bots and haliburton.
9:07
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think they get 25 games under them.
9:11
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they're going to take off for the rest of the season.
9:15
[SPEAKER_00]: I saw Halbert in the press conference the other day and, you know, there for one, he said and it is true.
9:20
[SPEAKER_00]: When you take steroids and stuff, they put weight on you.
9:23
[SPEAKER_00]: It's battling the shingles.
9:24
[SPEAKER_00]: He put on some weight.
9:25
[SPEAKER_00]: There was a lot because the steroids and medicine that he was taking for the shingles.
9:29
[SPEAKER_00]: But I looked at me the other day and I thought, darn, man, he's lost that way.
9:33
[SPEAKER_00]: He looks back to being, you know.
9:38
[SPEAKER_00]: Slender again, and I don't doubt that he's he's going to be biting at the bed he's going to be ready when When can't open.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's he's going to be ready to attack and I I love the fact that the pacers gave him that extra time and I think it was beneficial Specialist since he did get shingles They're late last year so you know, I'm excited.
9:58
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm excited to see it.
10:00
[SPEAKER_00]: I you know, I want Nim-hard and naseness to stay healthy this season
10:07
[SPEAKER_00]: because I just think the Pacers can do a lot in them hard and niece met the way their ability to guard is very crucial.
10:14
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's kind of why I like the addition of Obery because he can guard too.
10:20
[SPEAKER_00]: So now when you have to that comes out, you're putting somebody in, just don't play good defense.
10:27
[SPEAKER_02]: And Jaris is two years more mature.
10:30
[SPEAKER_02]: He's a better player than he was two years ago, and he can add a dimension to this team that
10:37
[SPEAKER_02]: We haven't seen before, what's he still the highest rated highest drafted player in the Pacers since 1991 or whatever was if I'm not mistaken, that may have been mad or I can't remember, but it's one of those two.
10:52
[SPEAKER_02]: He was taken as first freshman year at Houston, so he was only 19 when he got drafted.
10:57
[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, he's matured at the end of last year, he was playing pretty well.
11:03
[SPEAKER_02]: I really look forward to seeing what he can do that's I'm kind of been hesitant and seeing his name turn around so much in trade talks this year because I think He impacts the overall ceiling of those team so much I feel like because if he can add just
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[SPEAKER_02]: the element that maybe the other teams have been lacking.
11:23
[SPEAKER_02]: He's a six nine guy, he can shoot, he can defend, he can play outside inside.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll really look forward to what he can add to this team and it's overall potential.
11:38
[SPEAKER_03]: a couple of guys.
11:39
[SPEAKER_03]: Question marks Kobe Brown came over in the trade with Zubats.
11:44
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if he's a factor in the second team or not.
11:47
[SPEAKER_03]: Same with Johnny Furfi coming off the injury, we kind of saw progress into the starting lineup, of course, with all the injuries, but it looked like it would be him, at least contributing.
11:58
[SPEAKER_03]: For this team, the at least has visions of being
12:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, rookie won't even be back till midseason.
12:04
[SPEAKER_00]: He won't be ready for the start of the season.
12:06
[SPEAKER_00]: That last report, I saw it would be around midseason.
12:09
[SPEAKER_00]: This ticket would be probably be back.
12:12
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's unfortunate because for a second round pick, you didn't get a guy with more put play.
12:20
[SPEAKER_02]: As a second round pick, I remember when they took them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, that could be a really, really, really good pick.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he showed flash is the other huge
12:28
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, post or dunk in the summer league last year that became a meme, I mean, I just kind of showed the athleticism that that kid had.
12:35
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think, you know, I can't remember, I know was late in the year.
12:40
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't remember exactly how late it was when he hurt the knee.
12:43
[SPEAKER_02]: So if you're looking into, like, January, February before he's realistically on the court, that's unfortunate.
12:49
[SPEAKER_02]: But he could be as good of a trade line, trade deadline, addition to some of these other teams are going to be able to go out on the marketing.
13:01
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, and since Mike's so rudely brought it up during the break, anybody starts on Braiden Smith contributing to this team and what they expect from him going forward, Michelle, you are not included.
13:13
[SPEAKER_01]: What is it, it's Michelle, aader?
13:17
[SPEAKER_00]: I like Braiden Smith, I just don't see him as an NBA player.
13:21
[SPEAKER_00]: He's not athletic enough, quick enough, or big enough to guard these guys a play guard in the NBA level, especially the guys at point point guard.
13:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Braden Smith, I hope you're listening to this podcast, and that just fuel the Jeep fuel Mike, you really think he could guard a nim hard or a halberten.
13:39
[SPEAKER_00]: No, right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to guard a me Friday.
13:42
[SPEAKER_00]: No, right now.
13:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Derek White.
13:44
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, not the Hill works hard and he potentially could.
13:51
[SPEAKER_00]: And I said, I like him.
13:53
[SPEAKER_00]: He's unfortunately, he wasn't blessed with size or a lot of quickness.
13:58
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, I really noticed that this year, because some of the games produced struggle, is because he couldn't stand front of guys.
14:05
[SPEAKER_00]: He couldn't stand front of the freshman from Illinois.
14:09
[SPEAKER_02]: The Elite 8 game was a great example of that.
14:12
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the first half, he didn't play great at all in that game.
14:17
[SPEAKER_02]: And Arizona just manhandled him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought, and then the second half, when the damn cracked, and it all just fell apart for Purdue, I mean, he was just getting abused by Arizona in that game.
14:28
[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't see it, but then again, this is a league that took Bennett starts in the first round.
14:34
[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't really know what the difference is between those two.
14:39
[SPEAKER_02]: and some ways brain spits seems like a better player to me than Bennett Stewart.
14:43
[SPEAKER_02]: So I wasn't a fan of the move.
14:45
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it was a great move.
14:47
[SPEAKER_02]: I do understand that by making the move, they got some roster flexibility and they were actually able to sign a Kelli Ubre because they got rid of Cam Jones as guaranteed contract.
14:58
[SPEAKER_02]: So from those standpoints, I understand some things, but when I look at a jemari sharp who played a
15:09
[SPEAKER_02]: Who do I really want in that spot in the second round?
15:12
[SPEAKER_02]: Do I want the mask on or do I want Jemari Sharer?
15:17
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm taking Jemari Sharer.
15:20
[SPEAKER_00]: Now I did see how it's well.
15:21
[SPEAKER_00]: I did see where they think that the mask.
15:23
[SPEAKER_00]: Sharer probably wouldn't have agreed to a two-way contract like Smith did so that that might not have been a good move.
15:32
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's Westfield hate.
15:34
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that's what it is.
15:34
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's tipped in Westfield hate.
15:36
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what it is.
15:40
[SPEAKER_00]: I knew he was going to be a great player when I saw him play as a freshman at high school.
15:44
[SPEAKER_03]: It's Tipton's rival, Tipton's next door neighbor.
15:47
[SPEAKER_00]: Tipton's not a rival with Westfield.
15:49
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I said the wrong word.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I said the wrong word is a great college basketball player, but I don't like Jimmy.
15:56
[SPEAKER_00]: for dead.
15:57
[SPEAKER_00]: Some of these other guys, you have great college players that just don't translate to the next level.
16:02
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's okay.
16:03
[SPEAKER_02]: Michelle, I worked with Greg long enough to know that there's still a small part of Greg who thinks it's going to work out for Jimmer for dead at some point.
16:10
[SPEAKER_02]: Any time now, any Greg was going to run the line up a Jimmer for dead.
16:15
[SPEAKER_02]: The McDermott kid, who else was Greg just and completely enamored with back in the day, those two were gonna be the same names.
16:23
[SPEAKER_03]: We're never gonna name names on the players that I thought we're gonna be good to, and the players, I thought we're gonna suck who turned out to be really good because it's a long, long, tough, Doug McDermott and Jim or Fredet were Greg's first two picks in every draft.
16:40
[SPEAKER_02]: If it's like the movie, it's like your movie director, he had a, he had a, he had a lot of a matter of the pack draft.
16:47
[SPEAKER_02]: You got a wallet up, napkin in your pocket that said, Jimmer, Pradette, no matter what.
16:54
[SPEAKER_03]: Hey, guys, you remember a player named Scott Skiles, that's a very mind's move and Scott Skiles had a great MBA career.
17:03
[SPEAKER_03]: He did.
17:08
[SPEAKER_02]: Hustle, you remember Scott Skiles?
17:10
[SPEAKER_02]: I, not as a player, I remember him as a coach.
17:14
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I don't remember Scott Scouts.
17:16
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, as far as toughness and everything, the comparison's good.
17:19
[SPEAKER_00]: But you can't really make that comparison a whole lot because the game has changed.
17:24
[SPEAKER_00]: And the athletes in the game have changed.
17:27
[SPEAKER_00]: Scott Scouts was in the 1980s, you know, was playing college basketball in the 1980s that the game's a whole, it is different now.
17:35
[SPEAKER_00]: And for Brad Smith, 20 years or so ago, maybe even as little as,
17:41
[SPEAKER_00]: 15 years ago could have maybe been in Paxle in the NBA, but nowadays he just can't.
17:48
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think.
17:49
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's hard and he's trained to know he works very hard, but you just
17:55
[SPEAKER_00]: There's certain attributes and things you're blessed with that you just can't add to my career.
18:02
[SPEAKER_03]: My courage, I want to point out that everything that Michelle is saying right now about Braden Smith is everything everybody said, including me about TJ McConnell in the NBA.
18:16
[SPEAKER_02]: Dude, correct.
18:17
[SPEAKER_02]: Those Westfield wine moms are going to lose it when brains out there doing trampoline dunks in between the third and fourth quarter.
18:26
[SPEAKER_00]: Can we say something?
18:26
[SPEAKER_00]: I believe TJ McConnell's like sixth three.
18:29
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not right.
18:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Six three, six four, brain smith is not over six.
18:32
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they're generous.
18:34
[SPEAKER_00]: If he's over six, but it's a little over six.
18:36
[SPEAKER_02]: He came down on a sixth one.
18:38
[SPEAKER_02]: He's five, ten, five, a little bit.
18:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Five, ten, five, eleven and TJ, six, one.
18:44
[SPEAKER_01]: There's not much difference.
18:46
[SPEAKER_02]: And I hope whatever signing bonus he got, he did a tattoo removal.
18:50
[SPEAKER_02]: Here we go.
18:53
[SPEAKER_00]: That may be the ugliest tattoo I've ever seen.
18:55
[SPEAKER_02]: It was just headiest.
18:56
[SPEAKER_03]: Good golf.
18:57
[SPEAKER_03]: Good golf.
18:59
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, quick break where you're going to come back and get our predictions what's going to happen this season.
19:12
[SPEAKER_03]: Mike, you already talked about your expectations a little bit.
19:15
[SPEAKER_03]: Go a little deeper in what you want to see from this Pacers now that the roster sets.
19:21
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they're going to win over 50 games.
19:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, as long as health is not an issue, I think they're better than the finals team.
19:30
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they're going to show that in the playoffs.
19:33
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it is going to take some time at the game.
19:35
[SPEAKER_01]: The season to build the chemistry.
19:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, and it's going to take a little while for Howard Burton to get up to game speed and B.A.
19:42
[SPEAKER_01]: Speed, uh, but like Michelle said, or he's chopping at the bit to play and he's going to want to play.
19:48
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they're going to be kind of reserved with, um, when he does start, he's going to probably be on some minute restrictions.
19:56
[SPEAKER_01]: He probably won't play back to backs for a while.
19:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh,
20:00
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think we have depth again.
20:03
[SPEAKER_01]: I think we probably have one of the best teams with depth in the NBA.
20:07
[SPEAKER_01]: I think we got a really good second squad and a bench.
20:10
[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be very supportive of the first team.
20:14
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think there's any reason why we shouldn't win 50 games this year for healthy.
20:22
[SPEAKER_01]: If you need a number, I would throw out 55 wins this year.
20:30
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm along the lines of Mike, I think it could be, I'll say anywhere from 52 to 58 games.
20:38
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they're going to surprise some people.
20:41
[SPEAKER_00]: I love the way that everybody's overlooking them now when they talk about teams, the top teams in the east.
20:47
[SPEAKER_00]: I think all it does is just fuel this group and provides a lot of motivation.
20:52
[SPEAKER_00]: I think for then, they're going to want to be sadly in and yes, they would like to be a top foreseen.
20:56
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think they'll be a top foreseen in the playoffs, barring a catastrophic injury and just someone.
21:04
[SPEAKER_00]: But I just I like this team and I I do think they probably will take a little bit of time to gel, but maybe, you know, might not be as long as what we think I'm just looking forward to watching this team play at the pace or for so much fun to watch two years ago.
21:24
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think we're going to be even more fun because I think Zubot is bringing a dimension in the middle, a little pick and roll and seeing rebounding.
21:32
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's going to bring a dimension that we didn't have two years ago, and it's going to be fun.
21:37
[SPEAKER_02]: We talked about this a little bit a couple months ago on here about where we thought the Pacers would slot into the east and everything when Haliburton came back and the time I said second I thought it was going to be Boston Indiana and then New York.
21:51
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, things have obviously changed since then the nicks went out and messed around and won a damn championship and Boston's Boston's completely lost all sense of basketball skill and
22:08
[SPEAKER_02]: in the the east over all though it's it looks it's looking like a gauntlet i mean there's some there's going to be some really good teams that they're going to have to contend with uh... the next are the defending champs uh... we we saw what my amy did to to get yannis
22:26
[SPEAKER_02]: Detroit is just so young and talented and doesn't seem like they're gonna go anywhere.
22:32
[SPEAKER_02]: I know they had some tough losses this off season, but I feel like with Kate cutting him, they're gonna be a factor.
22:40
[SPEAKER_02]: Atlanta seems like they're still on the way up.
22:45
[SPEAKER_02]: And honestly, I kinda like what Milwaukee did and what it got back for you, on this, I don't think they're gonna be a contender this year,
22:54
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a team that's building.
22:56
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think the pace or slots, somewhere between third and fourth in the east, I'm right in line with Mike's 50 plus projection.
23:07
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's realistic.
23:10
[SPEAKER_02]: I think you're looking at maybe probably the three seed.
23:14
[SPEAKER_02]: And if I was to predict right now and we know what this team when they get into the postseason, they seem capable of.
23:22
[SPEAKER_02]: doing just about anything, and a couple years worth of great posties of run, the other shoe fell and feels like since Haliburton on Father's Day or whatever that was in game seven has been nothing but a dark cloud for this franchise.
23:39
[SPEAKER_02]: So hopefully that starts to lift and and they come back and are as good as we hope we all say they're going to be here on this show.
23:49
[SPEAKER_03]: One thing that Kelli Ubrae signing really does is make them interchangeable and adaptable if Almost anybody but Zubot's misses a game.
24:00
[SPEAKER_03]: You just slide somebody else in and you probably go on without missing a much of a beat So I think they're gonna win a lot of games.
24:07
[SPEAKER_03]: Here's my prediction.
24:08
[SPEAKER_03]: They're going to be just good enough to Make the end of the season really hard
24:15
[SPEAKER_03]: because they're not going to be quite good enough to be a championship team.
24:18
[SPEAKER_03]: But I think they're going to be good enough to for us to believe at some point that they will be.
24:24
[SPEAKER_03]: I think they're going to win 58.
24:25
[SPEAKER_03]: I think they're going to make a statement.
24:27
[SPEAKER_03]: They're going to come right out of the gates and be one of the best teams of the league.
24:32
[SPEAKER_03]: Just don't think there's going to stay an Antonio Oklahoma city.
24:36
[SPEAKER_03]: But I expect the next to fold again now that the paces are back.
24:42
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like that Nim Hart is Jalen Bronson's kryptonite.
24:45
[SPEAKER_00]: So I hope that continues.
24:50
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's an asterisk.
24:52
[SPEAKER_03]: They couldn't get past the Pacers finally.
24:54
[SPEAKER_03]: The Pacers weren't there.
24:55
[SPEAKER_03]: It's the only way they want a championship.
24:59
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, hey, wait a minute, guys.
25:00
[SPEAKER_00]: Are we not?
25:01
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if you listen and you follow like Twitter and the media, everybody thinks that you shouldn't, you shouldn't base on who's going to do want until the bronze James makes his decision.
25:13
[SPEAKER_03]: It's kind of a good choice.
25:14
[SPEAKER_03]: He couldn't make a living.
25:15
[SPEAKER_00]: He's yearning up to do another one.
25:17
[SPEAKER_00]: He wants another media spectrumer like he did when he,
25:20
[SPEAKER_00]: Took his talents to Miami Beach, but I'll be honest, I bet you there's a lot fewer people interested in where he's going to end up playing next year than there were all those years ago.
25:31
[SPEAKER_03]: Thanks, everyone, for listening, everything here is a bonus to the spacers report because he really might make a difference and who's the champion.
25:39
[SPEAKER_03]: He is still good enough to do that and if he goes to the right place, man, it could make the difference.
25:44
[SPEAKER_02]: I hope he goes to Golden State.
25:49
[SPEAKER_02]: I hope it's not for the Pacers sake.
25:51
[SPEAKER_02]: I hope it's not for the Philadelphia me to say me here.
25:57
[SPEAKER_03]: And he wouldn't fit with Yannis.
25:59
[SPEAKER_03]: So it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense, but Cleveland, that would be a little scary as well.
26:06
[SPEAKER_03]: That would change the dynamic of that team.
26:09
[SPEAKER_03]: Hopefully stays in the West.
26:11
[SPEAKER_00]: What do you think he could he thinks the next because I'll tell you what I can't see to it.
26:17
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't see you after dog.
26:18
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't see Bronson.
26:20
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't see Bronson seeding being an outdog.
26:22
[SPEAKER_03]: There would be a hilarious career move for LeBron James.
26:26
[SPEAKER_03]: He'd just own that he's a giant.
26:31
[SPEAKER_03]: Band-winner.
26:31
[SPEAKER_03]: Band-winner.
26:32
[SPEAKER_03]: Band-winner.
26:32
[SPEAKER_03]: Band-winner.
26:40
[SPEAKER_03]: Somebody asked me out of the book.
26:41
[SPEAKER_03]: You report, Jake asked me if I would take LeBron James and a championship, and I finally decided no.
26:48
[SPEAKER_03]: If it takes LeBron James to win a championship, that's what everybody else say, and I wouldn't even want it.
26:56
[SPEAKER_00]: What do you guys think?
26:57
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he would destroy the chemistry of the Pacers.
27:00
[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't think he's a Pacer.
27:01
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just saying, if it worked, and he came and they won a championship, would you want a LeBron James Pacers championship?
27:11
[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't think it would happen.
27:12
[SPEAKER_00]: So I could say no because I don't think it can happen with LeBron James is here because he thinks he's got a coach.
27:19
[SPEAKER_03]: I think the piece would have been a best place talking about just fit.
27:23
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think so too.
27:25
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he would be fantastic fit, but I hate going to be on that team.
27:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, let me do.
27:33
[SPEAKER_01]: I just met.
27:35
[SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't take the championship.
27:36
[SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't want the championship.
27:38
[SPEAKER_00]: Here's the thing.
27:39
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's doing his best.
27:40
[SPEAKER_00]: James joins the Pacers.
27:41
[SPEAKER_00]: I won't watch the Pacers because I don't like watching LeBron James.
27:45
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28:05
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but he made sure that contract got guaranteed before he was out got that guarantee deal in LA and he's like, I got a good milk He's buying for Bryce now, right?
28:24
[SPEAKER_03]: Now he didn't have the power to do that anymore.
28:27
[SPEAKER_03]: He's not swaying stuff anymore.
28:33
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, if you're going to win a championship when your best players, Jalen Bronson, it changes the equation, doesn't it?
28:40
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, not the Jalen Bronson wasn't great, but Charlie Anthony Towns was pretty damn good, too Yeah Well, and let's not forget, I think the whole key to them winning was And I, you guys Yeah, and I, you guys, of course
28:56
[SPEAKER_00]: Let me get our normally say that, but I mean, he, OG brings so much to the tape and you just don't think about him, bro, because he's not flashy.
29:04
[SPEAKER_00]: He's not, you know, he, he just goes and plays hard.
29:12
[SPEAKER_03]: He's good.
29:14
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I don't know if I said it in this episode yet, or not, but fuck the mix.
29:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Fuck the mix.
29:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Fuck New York.
29:25
[SPEAKER_01]: Fuck the next, the Yankees, the Mets, the Giants, the Jets, the Labor Rangers, the Labor Rangers, St. John's, right, right, right, right now.
29:40
[SPEAKER_02]: There will be no Islander slander on this show.
29:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Fuck New York.
29:53
[SPEAKER_03]: Hmm, uh, thanks everybody that was fun.
29:57
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, we're going to do it again, but I again might get if anybody wants to join us for a summer league preview.
30:03
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if you guys ever want to do that, but it's a mistake.
30:07
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Sunday night.
30:08
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
30:10
[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, if you want to join us feel free, I'll let you know.
30:15
[SPEAKER_03]: But I'll be watching it so I might as well talk about it, right?
30:19
[SPEAKER_00]: Big kids got a lot of guys on summer rosters, the conference itself.
30:23
[SPEAKER_02]: Dude, read Bailey being on an NBA summer league team, just blew my mind when I saw it.
30:28
[SPEAKER_00]: So he's with Phoenix, but think about Mike, he's more of a stretch bore at the NBA level than Mike, and every seven foot tall.
30:40
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I mean, we're definitely going to pick it up with the big boys.
30:44
[SPEAKER_02]: Oscar cloth anybody.
30:46
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's with the rockets can't imagine how bad he is.
30:50
[SPEAKER_03]: And then be a uniform.
30:53
[SPEAKER_03]: Is this Oscar cloth.
30:56
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
30:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the produce got to Oscar cloth.
31:01
[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, Braden, Trake Hoffman and Fletcher are all playing Summer League ball.
31:05
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god, Fletcher lawyer is playing for somebody.
31:08
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, he is.
31:09
[SPEAKER_02]: He's going to be doing contract.
31:11
[SPEAKER_02]: He's actively stealing money.
31:13
[SPEAKER_02]: That's so foul.
31:16
[SPEAKER_02]: He got a guarantee to do a contract, Mike.
31:18
[SPEAKER_00]: He'll be a great, he'll be a great G. League player like Miller come up.
31:22
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's what these guys are.
31:23
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, even Brayton, he'll fill up the boom because people down there will go watch their their home town boy go play at the G league and that's, hey, it's good.
31:33
[SPEAKER_00]: It brings money and brings fans.
31:36
[SPEAKER_02]: Westfield wine moms, they're going to love them.
31:40
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, did you see Brayton play when he was?
31:49
[SPEAKER_00]: I ought to go.
31:50
[SPEAKER_00]: I've seen the clips of his brother, but I haven't seen him live.
31:52
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm my head to try to catch a game just so I can compare the two, just to compare where his brother's at.
32:00
[SPEAKER_00]: It'll be interesting.
32:03
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
32:04
[SPEAKER_02]: I hope it doesn't do it.