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RIVERS OF NIHIL: ADAM BIGGS On Fresh Starts, Fear, And Finding Their Sound · HEAVY Music Interviews

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  Speaker 1: Hey, I'm I'm Adam Biggs. I played bass in a
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  Speaker 1: band called Rivers and Ile. Also I'm one of the
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  Speaker 1: one of the primary vocalists in the band and an
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  Speaker 1: original founding member.
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  Speaker 2: Brilliant, Thanks so much. Rivers O'Neil self titled album marks
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  Speaker 2: a new chapter in your career. What made you decide
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  Speaker 2: to name it after the band and how does this
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  Speaker 2: album reflect both a return to basics and a fresh
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  Speaker 2: start for the group.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I think the that was the plan was always
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  Speaker 1: to do a self titled record after our We we
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  Speaker 1: did a series of four records that were you know,
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  Speaker 1: all each based on a season, and they were, you know,
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  Speaker 1: our first four records, and I always felt like that
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  Speaker 1: was like a way for us to like grow up
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  Speaker 1: as a band and and like figure out what the
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  Speaker 1: sound is. And then we would you know, kind of
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  Speaker 1: go back over those and see what we've you know,
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  Speaker 1: see what we've become so far, and then like you know,
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  Speaker 1: try and really hone it in and define that thing.
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  Speaker 1: And that's what the new album I think feels like.
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  Speaker 1: It feels like we've you know trying like trying to
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  Speaker 1: remember all the eras of the band before and pull
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  Speaker 1: out what we feel works the best and you know,
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  Speaker 1: also been to not been to, but you know, like
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  Speaker 1: take advantage of some of the changes that we've had
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  Speaker 1: and you know, right for some of this new this
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  Speaker 1: new lineup, and yeah, I think it felt like a
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  Speaker 1: really appropriate time to be like this is Rivers of
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  Speaker 1: Nile as it stands now.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. So you guys feel like you've really solidified yourself,
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  Speaker 2: Like you know, what you guys sound like and what
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  Speaker 2: you guys are is that what is kind of the vibe?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean even even though like we've you know,
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  Speaker 1: we've had some lineup changes in the past past couple
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  Speaker 1: of years and stuff, and I think we still have
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  Speaker 1: a really strong musical identity and we really just you know,
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  Speaker 1: the mission is still the same as as it has
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  Speaker 1: always been, and yeah, we just wanted to like it
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  Speaker 1: almost feels like, you know, with with this new lineup
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  Speaker 1: and everything, it feels like almost like a first record,
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  Speaker 1: which is like a good time for for a self titling,
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  Speaker 1: I suppose as well.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely and yourself you've transitioned to one of the
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  Speaker 2: more full time vocalists. How has that transition been for you,
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  Speaker 2: both personally and musically?
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  Speaker 1: For well, for me, yeah, it's been it's been a lot.
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  Speaker 1: It's been a big journey. Uh, you know, having to
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  Speaker 1: step up to you know, like sing like a you know,
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  Speaker 1: a pro singer, like sing a full a full set
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  Speaker 1: you know, like an hour long set, you know, night
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  Speaker 1: after night on a tour. Uh. Is you know, that's
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  Speaker 1: that's a it's a tough thing to step into.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 1: It's also you know to also maintain my previous role
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  Speaker 1: in the band and keep up the quality of the
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  Speaker 1: bass playing and everything. Is it took a lot of
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  Speaker 1: took a lot of preparation and practice and research and
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  Speaker 1: and trial and error with especially with my voice and
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  Speaker 1: trying to figure out how like you know, because I've
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  Speaker 1: always done like background vocals and like there's been like
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  Speaker 1: little sections where it's just me and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 1: But I wanted to, you know, get something that like
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  Speaker 1: works a little more dynamically. So I had to work
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  Speaker 1: to develop my voice, you know as it's going to
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  Speaker 1: sound for entire songs and give that all a lot
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  Speaker 1: of thought. And yeah, I mean it was it's tough
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  Speaker 1: and and personally, like it's just it is interesting because
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  Speaker 1: you know, I've been playing hundreds of shows with Jake
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  Speaker 1: and and uh, you know, we've been you know, working
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  Speaker 1: together for so long that it just feels it feels
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  Speaker 1: a little like it's it's not it's hard for me
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  Speaker 1: to to do this in a lot of ways because
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  Speaker 1: it's it is such a massive change, but it's it's
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  Speaker 1: been such like a nose to the grindstone kind of
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  Speaker 1: kind of thing where I don't really think about it
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  Speaker 1: too much. It's just like we just is very much
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  Speaker 1: basically the show must go on, yea, And yeah, we
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  Speaker 1: just gotta you know, we feel compelled to not stop.
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  Speaker 1: And everybody, you know, we we we thought about maybe
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  Speaker 1: even like replacing a vocalist at one point, but I
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  Speaker 1: think the band just like we just we just were
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  Speaker 1: comfortable with each other and just wanted to keep the
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  Speaker 1: unit smaller. And so I mean, but yeah, so the
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  Speaker 1: it's it's been it's been a crazy thing, but it's
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  Speaker 1: it's turning out really cool, and I think we're all
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  Speaker 1: enjoying this new configuration.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's awesome. And I've always wondered, obviously it must
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  Speaker 2: be really hard when you're trying to play an instrument
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  Speaker 2: and sing. Has it gotten to that point yet for you? Though?
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  Speaker 2: Where it's like second nature, like you can do it easy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean it all depends on like song to song.
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  Speaker 1: It's like a lot of parts are you know, it's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of like this part's a lot easier to
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  Speaker 1: play and sing, and then this one will be like
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  Speaker 1: something that really clashes and it's really I've got to
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  Speaker 1: really really practice the hell out of it. So it's
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  Speaker 1: not like it's I guess it's gotten easier to where
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  Speaker 1: like it does like I can just play and then
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  Speaker 1: just think about the music as a whole and just
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  Speaker 1: kind of do it. I guess my skill in that
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  Speaker 1: has grown. But it's just it's just like another thing
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  Speaker 1: I need to practice. Like, you know, I'll get a
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  Speaker 1: song down on bass first and like really get that
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  Speaker 1: like nailed down so I don't have to think about
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  Speaker 1: what my hands are doing so much. Yeah, and then
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  Speaker 1: start you know and listening to vocals the whole time,
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  Speaker 1: you know, never practicing to an instrumental and just making
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  Speaker 1: it so like it's second nature. It's up in my
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  Speaker 1: head the whole time. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so cool. And what about Andy joining the band?
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  Speaker 2: How's that influenced you guys?
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  Speaker 1: I mean I think it's had a big influence. Like
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  Speaker 1: we were, you know, really excited to have him. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: after he you know, he had approached us and told
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  Speaker 1: us that he really, you know, he wanted the gig.
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  Speaker 1: It was just like immediately the wheels started turning. I'm like, well,
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  Speaker 1: what does that sound like? What is Because he's a
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  Speaker 1: he's a major factor in in in you know, he's
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  Speaker 1: he brings a lot of his own thing, like whether
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  Speaker 1: it be riffs or and and song ideas and or
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  Speaker 1: like you know, his voice is very distinct. So I
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  Speaker 1: had to start thinking, well, you know, what does it
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  Speaker 1: sound like when he is in our band? I mean
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  Speaker 1: he was you know, he's on he sings in the
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  Speaker 1: beginning of like our most popular song, you know, and
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  Speaker 1: so like it's it's already been tried out, but you
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  Speaker 1: know this so but having him around is you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's it's like I wanted to rise to the challenge
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  Speaker 1: and be like, you know, this guy everybody knows this
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  Speaker 1: guy can do awesome work, but I want him to
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  Speaker 1: do awesome work with us, and and you know I
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  Speaker 1: have it. Have it please fans of his his own
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  Speaker 1: and fans of ours as well.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, And back to you on your vocals for
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  Speaker 2: a minute, I believe. Was it the first track you
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  Speaker 2: seg on was sub Orbital?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So what was that like and how did
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  Speaker 2: it set the tone for the rest of the album.
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  Speaker 1: Ah, it's you know that that song was the first,
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  Speaker 1: like the first song that we'd written with this this
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  Speaker 1: lineup for the band. That the riff was something that
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  Speaker 1: Andy brought in, and then you know, we all kind
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  Speaker 1: of hammered out the the song structure. I had a
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  Speaker 1: lot to say about about the way it was handled
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  Speaker 1: and and and then I just felt like this it
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  Speaker 1: called for this sort of like operatic kind of singing
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  Speaker 1: stuff going on, almost like queen kind of kind of thing.
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  Speaker 1: And then you know, also with the the the harsh
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  Speaker 1: vocals being the bedrock there, so you know, bringing that
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  Speaker 1: that song to life felt really cool, like having everybody
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  Speaker 1: actually like it's like everybody's playing and singing. It's turned
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  Speaker 1: it kind of turned up to eleven and like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we did it in the studio and then you know,
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  Speaker 1: I was just immediately like, wow, this sounds I was
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  Speaker 1: really proud of it. I thought, you know, I was like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, maybe this thing could work. And then then
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  Speaker 1: people put it when we put it out, people seem
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  Speaker 1: to really respond to it, and yeah, naturally, you know
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  Speaker 1: people there's some people who you know don't like change
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  Speaker 1: or you know, they need some time to warm up
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  Speaker 1: to these things. But I thought it was, you know, overall,
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  Speaker 1: really really well received and that was really encouraging.
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  Speaker 2: YEA, yeah, that's awesome. And with you guys, is it
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  Speaker 2: a collaborative effort on every track or is it sort
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  Speaker 2: of just one person that's like, this is the direction,
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  Speaker 2: this is what we're gonna do.
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  Speaker 1: It depends. It depends on the song. Like if it's
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  Speaker 1: like an idea that like because a lot of times
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  Speaker 1: like what will happen is Brody will write our other
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  Speaker 1: guitar player, Brody will write a bunch of little snippets
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  Speaker 1: and he, you know, will just he'll just demo them out,
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  Speaker 1: like you know, maybe an idea of that's like forty
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  Speaker 1: five seconds or like a minute or something like that,
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  Speaker 1: and then it just kind of sift through it and
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, this is this is good. This is good.
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  Speaker 1: And then like sometimes it just takes like maybe like
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  Speaker 1: there's a few songs where like we had an idea
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  Speaker 1: rolling that was based on something Brody had and then
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  Speaker 1: like Andy added a little of this, and then maybe
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  Speaker 1: I help finesse the actual structure of the song. And
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  Speaker 1: like because sometimes Brody will hit a wall and just
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  Speaker 1: be like I don't know what else to do, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, it's to me, it's obvious you do this,
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  Speaker 1: this and this. Yeah, and it gets us through the
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  Speaker 1: to the song. But you know, so it's collaborative in
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  Speaker 1: that way. It's like sometimes we'll just like sit there,
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  Speaker 1: you know, on a zoom call and like just talk
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  Speaker 1: about a song. Nobody's got an instrument at all, and
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  Speaker 1: we just like kind of talk about it, and that's
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  Speaker 1: how the songs get written. Yeah, so yeah, some of it.
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  Speaker 1: But sometimes, you know, Brody'll just like write a whole
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  Speaker 1: song and it's just like like American Death was just
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  Speaker 1: like pretty much bang, Like there, it's done. You know.
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  Speaker 1: I think I had a couple of little tweaks, but
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  Speaker 1: usually the first half of a record it's like it's
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  Speaker 1: really collaborative. And then usually like halfway in, Brody like
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  Speaker 1: kind of gets the vibe and he just starts like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: like this is what happens next.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, definitely, And so do you want to tell
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  Speaker 2: us a little bit more then about with this new album,
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  Speaker 2: the sort of themes behind it or how the songs
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  Speaker 2: came about.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the uh, it's the songs all seem to just
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  Speaker 1: sort of like it was just like one day it
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  Speaker 1: was just like bam, They're all They're all done, and
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  Speaker 1: I was just like whoa what, Like they're like how
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  Speaker 1: did this happened? And like we were just you know,
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  Speaker 1: we were just talking about them, like texting back and
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  Speaker 1: forth about these little snippets of songs and discussing them,
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  Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, it was like, Pam,
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  Speaker 1: there's tenned these things, okay, Like and then like so
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  Speaker 1: I'm I I just started doing my thing where I'll
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  Speaker 1: like go for a run or something and I'll just
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  Speaker 1: I'll just be listening to the demos constantly and just
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  Speaker 1: thinking about them. And and so it's just and it's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of times it's just whatever wherever I'm at
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  Speaker 1: in my life. Uh, it becomes sort of the theme
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  Speaker 1: and like it's it's the theme of this one is
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  Speaker 1: just like sort of reflecting on like this sort of
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  Speaker 1: macro danger of modern life. Like it's like there's just
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  Speaker 1: always some sort of threat of threat of a world
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  Speaker 1: war or something there's like, uh, you know, there's there's
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  Speaker 1: killer viruses and you know, political upheaval and people not
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  Speaker 1: trusting foundational things anymore. And so the album has a
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  Speaker 1: lot of like a lot of tones of you know
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  Speaker 1: that that and like paranoia and uh maybe a fear
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  Speaker 1: of death you know, to to a certain degree, like
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  Speaker 1: from from all of these things. And it's it's I
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  Speaker 1: feel like they it's not like in previous albums, maybe
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  Speaker 1: we've had sort of this story that's happening, so like
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  Speaker 1: this song leudes to this song, and like there's like
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  Speaker 1: a series of events, but this this one feels like
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  Speaker 1: a little more you know, like they I feel like
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  Speaker 1: they come from us the same perspective, the same you know,
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  Speaker 1: reflection of what modern life is like and you know,
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  Speaker 1: in in my experience anyway, and you know what I
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  Speaker 1: can tell from those around me. But yeah, it doesn't
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  Speaker 1: like the songs aren't really relating to each other so much.
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  Speaker 1: It's they all kind of have their own their own
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  Speaker 1: touches and you know, and they're they're their own individual things,
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  Speaker 1: but I feel like they come from the same like
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  Speaker 1: kind of more moral background or something. They have like
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  Speaker 1: a tie that you know, like a hope for hopeful
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  Speaker 1: positivity sort of amongst a lot of like weird chaos.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, no, it's well, it's definitely a very current
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  Speaker 2: feeling amongst a lot of people, I think, with everything
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  Speaker 2: going on in the political political sphere and more. But
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  Speaker 2: you're saying that there's kind of you guys are injecting
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  Speaker 2: some sort of positivity into that. Is that correct?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean, I mean, I guess listening to it,
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  Speaker 1: I feel like there's maybe that focus on the despair
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  Speaker 1: of it. But it's not like it's it's not like
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  Speaker 1: saying it's a good thing. Like it's sort of you
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  Speaker 1: know that there's a you know, a lot of these
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  Speaker 1: pitfalls and modern life, and it's sort of I would
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  Speaker 1: like to think that it's maybe a warning just to
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  Speaker 1: not give into those sorts of things and maybe to
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  Speaker 1: think about the world around you in a little more
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  Speaker 1: of an open way. And you know, it's hard, it's
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  Speaker 1: hard to say, like I'm trying to say what what
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  Speaker 1: I what? I hope you know what I feel on
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  Speaker 1: this album. But there's all you know, it's clouded with
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  Speaker 1: a lot of like a lot of fears and paranoise
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  Speaker 1: and all sorts of things. But I think that that's
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  Speaker 1: a kind of human, you know, human way to look
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  Speaker 1: at it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, definitely, especially in the climate right now. And
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  Speaker 2: I had listened to the album. I got to listen
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  Speaker 2: to it probably before quite a few people, so that's
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  Speaker 2: really exciting. And I did feel like I noticed there
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  Speaker 2: was some new instruments in there. Is that right? Or
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  Speaker 2: am I just imagining that?
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  Speaker 1: No? No, I think I believe it's the first time
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  Speaker 1: we've incorporated some banjo here and there. Yeah, our the
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  Speaker 1: guy who sells merch for us, Gould, our good friend
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  Speaker 1: Stephan Lopez. He was hanging around the studio. He happens
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  Speaker 1: to be a fantastic manjo player, so he just he
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  Speaker 1: just threw down a little bit here and there and that,
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  Speaker 1: So that was cool. I think as far as new things,
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  Speaker 1: you know, we've had saxophone, but it's a new saxophone
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  Speaker 1: player than normal. And I think I feel like Patty
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  Speaker 1: has a different It has his very really has his
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  Speaker 1: own flavor compared to our previous stuff, which I really like.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, yeah, the rest of it, Yeah, it's
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  Speaker 1: very like we have some cello and some spots, and
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  Speaker 1: you know, I feel like there's parts where we use
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  Speaker 1: the the sort of layered clean vocals is almost a
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  Speaker 1: kind of tech its own instrumental texture. Yeah, but yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's it's it's a pretty familiar bag of tricks other
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  Speaker 1: outside of maybe banjo and maybe a different a different
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  Speaker 1: keyboard setting here or there. But yeah, yeah, but it's
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  Speaker 1: it's a lot of stuff that we've used before, but
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  Speaker 1: just in different ways.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like, yeah, yeah, totally. I could definitely notice
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  Speaker 2: them coming through. And you mentioned before the saxophone, and
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  Speaker 2: I was like, no, but I know you guys have
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  Speaker 2: had saxophone before, but it must be because it's a
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  Speaker 2: new a new person playing it their own way. That's why.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So You's just I think Patrick has a little
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  Speaker 1: darker more like he calls it kind of slurry tone,
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  Speaker 1: like it's it's a little it's a little like smokier
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  Speaker 1: I think is is And I like that. I like
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  Speaker 1: that quality a lot. I've really excited with what Patrick
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  Speaker 1: brought to the to the record on this one.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, wicked, And I think Brody mentioned but that for
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  Speaker 2: this record he wanted to ensure the songs would hit
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  Speaker 2: hard live before adding any extra elements. How did this
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  Speaker 2: approach changed the writing, the production process compared to your
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  Speaker 2: previous albums.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think I think we did think
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  Speaker 1: a lot about the play, you know, the way that
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  Speaker 1: these songs would play in a room, more so than
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  Speaker 1: our last two records especially, we kind of I think,
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  Speaker 1: I think on Owls and the work we both of them,
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  Speaker 1: we were at points where we were like, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if we can play any of this stuff live
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  Speaker 1: because it's so densely you know, orchestrated and stuff. And
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  Speaker 1: then we just didn't really and like we just didn't care.
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  Speaker 1: We were just doing We just did it anyway, and
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  Speaker 1: and like that yields varying results. I think sometimes it's like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you can really bring a live audience on
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  Speaker 1: a journey with you, and sometimes they're just kind of
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: like waiting for the next like the next crescendo to happen,
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  Speaker 1: and this I've for this one. I felt like there
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  Speaker 1: was a lot of us, you know, especially after the
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: last record is being sort of like pretty flowery and
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: like take it took its time in a lot of spots,
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: and we play that kind of material live and I
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: think people were into it. But like at our core
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: were a metal band, like and you know, even though
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: we like to explore other territories of it. When we
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: get up on stage live, it's just like we just
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: turned into metal cavemen. And so I think writing on
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: this new album felt more like that, like we were
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: just looking we're looking for that marsh pit response at
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: the time around Yeah.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, So creating songs that you guys sort of
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: knew live would transpire, well, I suppose.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, using what we learned we've learned so far
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: to maybe write stuff that I think goes over better
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: in a room full of like really like excited, sweaty people.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes sense. And do you have a favorite
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: memory at all on tour or do you have something
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: your favorite thing that a fan has given you?
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: Oh, say, We've gotten a lot of nice letters from fans.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: I was just always very surprising, like we you know,
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: we had we had a really nice letter just delivered
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: to our green room in Berlin on this last tour
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: that we did, and it was just like, you know,
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: for somebody to sit there and type something out for
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: you and tell it just to tell you how much
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: they appreciated what it is you do, Like that's that's awesome,
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: Like I mean, like it just co runs so counter
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: to like you know, sometimes you can get stuck, you know,
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: going down a rabbit hole on Reddit and reading things
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: about you know that people hate about you. It's you know,
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: I do I'll do that more than I care to
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: admit maybe, But then you know, like then you get
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: that letter in your green room and you know, and
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: it's just like, ah, this is this is what's real,
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: this is what this really really matters, and that's yeah.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: So things like that are always like, you know, mind
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: blowing and really kind of do keep you keep you
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: doing this? I feel like, yeah, oh.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: Lovely, No, I can resonate with that a little bit.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: So I have a YouTube channel and whenever I get
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: the negative comments, that's what I seem to stew on.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: And then when I get that one really lovely positive message,
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: it's like, this is why I do this. I'm not
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: the last person. Yeah.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah. The comment sections are tricky too, because like you'll
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: see like I'll see like walls of just positive stuff,
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: but it's so it's like brief, it's just like sick,
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: this is awesome, which anybody typing that out and sending
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: it is like that's amazing. I can't believe you took
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: the time to do that, but then you'll get one
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: like you'll just get like a nagg comment and you'll
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, like this guy sat here and type
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: that out.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: It's fun, you know, and then like, but there's one
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: versus all that wall of like good stuff, and you'll
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: think about that forever sometimes. But I don't know, I've
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: I I kind of try to just turn all of
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: that into into you know, positive thoughts at this point,
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: not to do on it too much.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, good, good and sorry. Do you have a favorite
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: song you're looking forward to off the new album that
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: you're excited to play live?
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I got a couple, honestly, Like I think I
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: think a few of them are gonna be really fun. Ah,
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: In particular, Despair Church is definitely. That's one of one
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: of my favorite songs that maybe we've ever written, So
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: I like, I'm really stoked for that to do that live.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: I feel like we can make make sections of that
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: sound really cool and huge. Some of them that I'm
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: a little anxious for because they're tough, but it's fun.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: But like song dust Man, it's really hard. But as
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: you know, that's gonna be Rips is another one of
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: my favorites. Yeah.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really complex and there is a few songs,
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: quite a lot of songs. But you know, I've thought
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: that about some songs and other albums as well, that
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: they are really complex, but you guys do manage to
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: just yeah play them and play them well.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, I that's what I focus on
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: as a musician at this point in my life, is
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: just just remembering Rivers of Nile riffs. Yeah. It's like
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: I'm not like out here learning you know, like learning
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: other people's songs. My job is to be as good
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: at those songs as possible. So maybe pretty complex. I
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: could fit a decent amount of it up here for
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: a while.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it. And looking ahead, what are your goals
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: for Rivers of Nil after the release of these self
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: titled album. Are there any new musical directions or projects
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: you're considering for the future.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean always looking ahead to you know, yeah,
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: we're I mean, we're always writing, h We're I would
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: like to, you know, keep the turnaround pretty tight, and
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: you know, compared to this one that took four years,
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: it's just a little more than I would have liked.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: So hopefully. I mean, I feel like this album is, like,
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: you know, it kicks ass, and I think I feel
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: like it's a bit of a palate cleanser, and I
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: feel like from from here on we can do some
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: really interesting, more interesting things. Not I mean, this album,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: I feel feels very interesting. But I feel like, you know,
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: Rivers is kind of getting in this in this groove
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: where about I feel like maybe about to start getting
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: really out there, and I would try to kind of
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: like to get back to that. But yeah, yeah, just
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: the goals. It's just to keep making this stuff and
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: making it as good as we possibly can and hoping
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: that it can take us, you know, wherever in front
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: of people to play you know.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we cold and is there any chatter of an
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: Australian tool possibly.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: We're always on the lookout, you know, for for the right,
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: for the right behind the scenes you know, offer for that.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: You know. We've been twice and we've loved it, and yeah,
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: we would not hesitate to return as long as it
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: makes sense. We would love to come over and headline, uh,
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: you know, and and so we'd like to keep an
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: eye out on that. But yeah, as of right now, nothing,
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: hopefully hopefully next year, because this year is get looking
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: pretty booked. Hopefully next year.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh wicked, we'll we'll hold you to it, but
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: I know the logistics things side. It can be really hot.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: Guise so far away Australia is always in our hearts
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: and thoughts, so oh god, it'll it'll happen.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: Oh lovely, Adam. Thank you so much for your time today.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: It's been such a thank you.