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Your Child Safe Out and About | JUSTICE NATION: CRIME STOPS HERE · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Hi guys, Nanasy Grace here. Welcome to Justice Nation. Crime
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  Speaker 1: for being our partner. You're child out and about. I
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  Speaker 1: wish I could wrap my children in that beautiful colored
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  Speaker 1: chissue paper and keep them safe from everything and everybody,
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  Speaker 1: and I wish everyone around us was as well intentioned,
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  Speaker 1: but that simply is not the case. I cannot hermetically
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  Speaker 1: seal my children and the people that I love to
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  Speaker 1: keep them safe. While I believe, on the whole most
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  Speaker 1: people are good, I know from everything I've seen, everything
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  Speaker 1: I have learned, everything I have done, that there are
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  Speaker 1: more bad guys out there than even I know of.
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  Speaker 1: And sometimes the bad guy is someone we already know,
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  Speaker 1: someone we have let into our lives, into our children's
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  Speaker 1: lives unwittingly, someone to whom we have already exposed our children.
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  Speaker 1: We are the grown ups, and even grown ups have
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  Speaker 1: a hard time taking care of themselves, but what about children.
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  Speaker 1: It's our duty to take care of children. I still
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  Speaker 1: think back to this day to child victims that I
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  Speaker 1: represented in court literally thousands of them, children that were
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  Speaker 1: too weak or too naive to protect themselves to speak
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  Speaker 1: on their own behalf. And it was my honor and
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  Speaker 1: my privilege to speak for them. But what I really
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  Speaker 1: wish is what I can't have. I wish they had
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  Speaker 1: never been victims to start with. But I cannot turn
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  Speaker 1: back the clock, and I cannot erase from their hearts
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  Speaker 1: and their minds what they've already lived through. But what
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  Speaker 1: I can do, what we can do is our very best.
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  Speaker 1: But how can you make the world.
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  Speaker 2: A safer place?
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  Speaker 1: We may not be able to do that. But what
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  Speaker 1: we can do is make the world a safer place
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  Speaker 1: for our children by protecting them when they are out.
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  Speaker 1: And about how do you protect your children when you
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  Speaker 1: are out and about? We're gonna find out. With me,
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  Speaker 1: Rain Perrywinkle, her beautiful daughter Cherish was abducted from a
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  Speaker 1: major store. Also with me, my longtime friend and colleague
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  Speaker 1: Mark Klass, who has dedicated his life to protecting children.
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  Speaker 1: Also with me, joining us for the first time, the
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  Speaker 1: founder of revd up Kids, Allie Neil and Marlena Schaivo,
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  Speaker 1: investigative reporter. First to you, Rain perrylincol You were out
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  Speaker 1: shopping with your girls. Yes, gorgeous girls. They look a
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  Speaker 1: lot like their mommy. And you guys started at I
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  Speaker 1: believe was a Dollar General or Family Dollar, Philly Dollar.
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  Speaker 1: Family Dollar. You were going out of town the next day.
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  Speaker 1: I believe it was to their that's right, and you
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  Speaker 1: were taking them to get them some new clothes, and
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  Speaker 1: you started at Family Dollar. When you got there, you
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  Speaker 1: didn't notice anything unusual. But suddenly you notice someone looking
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  Speaker 1: at you the wrong way, and that sounds try right.
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  Speaker 2: He got in my face?
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  Speaker 3: What happened?
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  Speaker 2: Like this?
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  Speaker 1: He didn't go in my face, and we did.
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  Speaker 2: Not exchange words. I just quickly walked away from him. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: I forgot about him because we're in a store with
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  Speaker 2: other people. I forgot about him, and I just continued
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  Speaker 2: to shop.
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  Speaker 1: Where did you go when you're Family Dollar?
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  Speaker 2: Straight across the street to Dollar General? Okay? Then what
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  Speaker 2: happened while we were in the shoes section. I was
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  Speaker 2: trying shoes on my children, and I just looked up briefly,
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  Speaker 2: and there was an old man in the in the
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  Speaker 2: doorway to my right, way down front of the store,
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  Speaker 2: and he was leering it. So I thought he was
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  Speaker 2: looking at me. He wasn't. Cherish was to my left.
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  Speaker 2: He was looking right at Cherish.
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  Speaker 1: At the time. Did you know he was looking at Cherish.
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  Speaker 2: No, Kata thought he was looking right at me, because
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  Speaker 2: I'm the adult. Said come on, girls, let's go, and
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  Speaker 2: we went to the clothes section. I was looking at
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  Speaker 2: little clothes and coloring books and hair ties and just
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  Speaker 2: things like that. I wish I had left right away,
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  Speaker 2: but circumstances were different, So you go to a different.
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  Speaker 1: Section of the store. Now what happens now he kept
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  Speaker 1: looking at us.
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  Speaker 2: He was watching me when I went to the counter.
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  Speaker 2: I went there twice with a little dress that I
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  Speaker 2: wanted for my four year old, and I was wondering
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  Speaker 2: should I get it? Should I not? It was only
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  Speaker 2: one was seven dollars and one was ten dollars. There
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  Speaker 2: were the same dress but different prices, so that's why
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  Speaker 2: I took it to the cashier twice. And then I noticed,
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  Speaker 2: as I was paying for my merchandise, he was on
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  Speaker 2: my right shoulder, looking right down into my hand as
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  Speaker 2: I was passing the money to the cashier. And that
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  Speaker 2: really bothered me. What did you think I thought he
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  Speaker 2: was going to rob me when I went outside. That
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  Speaker 2: was my first thought.
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  Speaker 1: You know, that really goes back to instincts, when you
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  Speaker 1: have that initial instinct, that gut feeling. So that's three
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  Speaker 1: times you've had a bad feeling about him. I had
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  Speaker 1: a first door where he turned around. I was too close.
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  Speaker 1: M you left, you got across the street, You continue shopping,
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  Speaker 1: You see him at the door staring in, you move,
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  Speaker 1: you go to one another section at checkout, he's seemingly
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  Speaker 1: looking at your money, and you get the feeling he's
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  Speaker 1: going to rob you.
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  Speaker 2: Then what happened, But Nancy, I didn't know was whom
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  Speaker 2: because it was so quick. See when I was at
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  Speaker 2: Family Dollar, it was just it was like a flash.
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  Speaker 2: It was so fast. I did see the black hair
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  Speaker 2: from his T shirt and up, but it was just
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  Speaker 2: so fast I forgot about him. And then I saw
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  Speaker 2: him again across the street. But it took a while
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  Speaker 2: to piece everything together. I didn't know it was the
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  Speaker 2: same guy. You didn't know it was the same guy.
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  Speaker 2: And you're at the checkout.
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  Speaker 1: What happens.
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  Speaker 2: Then I paid for my merchandise and I left. He
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  Speaker 2: was gone, and I said to Cherish, come here, I said,
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  Speaker 2: don't count your money. In the store, I said, I
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  Speaker 2: think that guy's gonna rob me when I get outside,
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  Speaker 2: and I knelt down behind the stroller and I put
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  Speaker 2: my money in my wallet in this diaper bag that
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  Speaker 2: I had my children's clothes. And what happens next? There
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  Speaker 2: was a woman outside that had taken my children to
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  Speaker 2: school a couple of times in her vehicle, and I
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  Speaker 2: saw her. She was staggering to the trash can. She
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  Speaker 2: had been drinking, and I asked her, could you give
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  Speaker 2: me a ride to Walmart? And when I noticed her
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  Speaker 2: her walk, I said, you can't go anywhere. I said,
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  Speaker 2: you can't drive, you're drunk, and he must have heard me.
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  Speaker 2: I did not see him. He was not in my vision.
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  Speaker 2: But then I started to walk away, and that's when
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  Speaker 2: he approached me, and he yelled out and offers a ride. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: did you take the ride? Not right away? I didn't.
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  Speaker 1: What happened.
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  Speaker 2: It was a process, Nancy, he said. First of all,
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know he was grooming me, like he was
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  Speaker 2: throwing out a lure. And he said, you look like
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  Speaker 2: you have your hands full. And that made me mad,
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  Speaker 2: because just because I have three little children doesn't mean
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  Speaker 2: I'm struggling with my hands full. I liked going out
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  Speaker 2: with my three children. I felt good about myself. And
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  Speaker 2: then he said, if you really want that dress, I'll
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  Speaker 2: get it for you. That dress for my four year old,
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  Speaker 2: I'll get it for you. And I stopped in my
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  Speaker 2: tracks and I was just hesitant. And he said, you
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  Speaker 2: look like you're trying to save money. And that kind
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  Speaker 2: of unnerved me a little bit. That he had been
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  Speaker 2: paying maybe more attention to my actions than what I
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  Speaker 2: thought he was.
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  Speaker 1: So he had been watching you and learning things about
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  Speaker 1: you and your three little girls. What convinced you to
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  Speaker 1: finally let him give you a ride to Walmart?
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  Speaker 2: He said, I have one hundred and fifty dollars gift card.
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  Speaker 2: I'm waiting on my wife.
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  Speaker 1: And after he said that about having the wife, yes,
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  Speaker 1: after he said that, I thought she was coming, did
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  Speaker 1: you in your mind think, oh, this is just a
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  Speaker 1: guy waiting on his wife. He's normal, he's fine, he's
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  Speaker 1: got a family. I'll take the ride.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So he did mention that he's got a couple
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  Speaker 2: of little ones too. That was any spiel. When he
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  Speaker 2: first started yelling out to me, he said, you look
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  Speaker 2: like you have your hands full. I have a couple
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  Speaker 2: of little ones, and then I kind of squinted at him.
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  Speaker 2: I thought, how old are you? Then I started to
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  Speaker 2: pay a little bit more attention, and then he said,
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  Speaker 2: if you really want that dress, I'll get it for you.
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  Speaker 2: He had to say that twice because I wasn't taking
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  Speaker 2: his bait right away. I was just standing there and
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  Speaker 2: he was maybe thirty feet away from me, so he
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  Speaker 2: was calling out to me.
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  Speaker 1: So the part about I'm waiting on my wife that
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  Speaker 1: made you think he was okay, and you and the
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  Speaker 1: three girls get in the car and go to Walmart.
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  Speaker 2: We did, but it took a long time Nancy to
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  Speaker 2: get in that van. It wasn't like I just thought, Oh,
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  Speaker 2: his wife's coming, I'll jump in that van. No. I
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  Speaker 2: told him I don't ride with strangers. And I was
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  Speaker 2: waiting for her. It seemed like maybe twenty twenty five minutes.
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  Speaker 2: I even asked him what color car does she drive?
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  Speaker 2: And he said gold, a gold car. And I just
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  Speaker 2: kept waiting, and it was still daylight outside. A lot
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  Speaker 2: of people would think I was out at eleven o'clock.
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  Speaker 2: I wasn't. I left about six pm that evening. It
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  Speaker 2: was daylight outside. It was starting to drizzle. So my
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  Speaker 2: children had their little umbrellas and they liked dancing around
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  Speaker 2: with their umbrellas.
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  Speaker 1: You take the ride, you get to Walmart, what happens
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  Speaker 1: when you get there? The wife never showed up. We
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  Speaker 1: know that much. No, when you get to Walmart, what happens.
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  Speaker 2: My children were in the back seat and they were fussy.
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  Speaker 2: He had already asked me doing our ride over there,
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  Speaker 2: he already asked me their names and how old they are.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know then that he was still grooming me
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  Speaker 2: step by step by step, and foolishly I was naive.
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  Speaker 2: I told him their names and how old they are.
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  Speaker 2: I told him my children want to get out, and
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  Speaker 2: he said, well, you go in first. He had first
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  Speaker 2: of all, he was doing this in steps. He took
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  Speaker 2: his phone out of his pocket and he just started talking.
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  Speaker 2: And I didn't hear the phone ring. I didn't hear
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  Speaker 2: any vibration that I thought maybe it was on vibration.
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  Speaker 2: Who am I to judge? I don't even know who
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  Speaker 2: he pretended he was talking to his wife that we
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  Speaker 2: were there, and he was ordering Chinese food on the phone,
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  Speaker 2: and he said, well, you get up first to meet
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  Speaker 2: me in the little girl's section. That's what he said
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  Speaker 2: to me. And we're sitting there in the parking lot
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  Speaker 2: and I said to him, when's your wife coming? And
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  Speaker 2: he said soon. He was always telling me soon. She
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  Speaker 2: never showed up.
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  Speaker 1: He is pretending to talk to his wife on the
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  Speaker 1: cellphone to reinforce and he's a normal guy. He meets
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  Speaker 1: you and the kids section.
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  Speaker 2: I know why he sent me in first. He was
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  Speaker 2: parking the van. He moved to the van out of
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  Speaker 2: the way, more into the darkness so it wouldn't be
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  Speaker 2: caught on Survilli's video or people.
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  Speaker 1: Wouldn't see what he was doing.
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  Speaker 2: That's what the police officers told me, that he had
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  Speaker 2: moved to the voo, so I pieced it together. That's
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  Speaker 2: what he was doing for so long. When he said
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  Speaker 2: you go in first, he.
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  Speaker 1: Was even at that time he was planning to take
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  Speaker 1: one of the girls and he had already zeroed in
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  Speaker 1: on you.
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  Speaker 2: She did.
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  Speaker 1: He meets you and the lalmart. He finds you and
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  Speaker 1: the little girl's section. What happened then?
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  Speaker 2: The first cut of my mouth was where's your wife?
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  Speaker 2: He said, she's coming, And then we went back to
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  Speaker 2: look at the shoes again. And I was getting concerned, Nancy,
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  Speaker 2: because I was waiting for her for so long. But
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  Speaker 2: I thought, well, she's driving, how far can she drive?
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  Speaker 2: So I watched him a couple of times, and he
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  Speaker 2: kept staring at the work boots on the shelf as
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  Speaker 2: if he was going to buy a pair, And he
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  Speaker 2: had his hands on his chips, and he was just
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  Speaker 2: parading around in front of the in front of the
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  Speaker 2: men's boots, and I was a few feet away from
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  Speaker 2: him looking at the little girl's shoes.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so you guys are there for two hours now,
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  Speaker 1: he's hanging around this whole time. What is he talking about?
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  Speaker 2: He wasn't saying much to me at all. He was
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  Speaker 2: just walking around, leering, And I was getting concerned for
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  Speaker 2: a few different reasons. One, his wife still wasn't there. Two,
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  Speaker 2: my children were starting to get hungry. It was getting
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  Speaker 2: I knew it was dark outside, it was getting late.
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  Speaker 2: I wanted to take my children home, wash Cherish's hair
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  Speaker 2: from the next morning, and I knew we had to
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  Speaker 2: leave early six o'clock flight.
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  Speaker 1: So what happened? How did he manage to lure Cherish
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  Speaker 1: out of the walmart?
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  Speaker 2: He said, I'm going to McDonald's. What do you want
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  Speaker 2: to eat? Just like that from across from across the store,
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  Speaker 2: and he was a few feet away. And that's when
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  Speaker 2: Cherish ran up to me and stood on my left
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  Speaker 2: side and she looked down. We're both looking at the floor,
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  Speaker 2: and she said, he's got one hundred and fifty dollars
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  Speaker 2: gift card. I said, is that what he told you?
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  Speaker 2: She said yes, and she said we're going to McDonald's.
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  Speaker 2: What do you want to eat? And I said cheeseburgers.
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  Speaker 2: He never asked if he could take Cherish, and I
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  Speaker 2: would have said no if he did, but I knew
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  Speaker 2: McDonald's is inside the store.
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  Speaker 1: You're like, this is like a Walmart, super Strong, Yes,
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  Speaker 1: and Mark Klass those superstars have like a hair salon,
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  Speaker 1: they have an automotive area, they have somewhere you can eat,
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  Speaker 1: They have a McDonald's and have all these different things
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  Speaker 1: under the same roof. So when we hear he took
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  Speaker 1: her child to McDonald's, it's not why they got in
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  Speaker 1: a car and drove away. And they were just walking,
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  Speaker 1: you know, several dozen feet away to go to McDonald's.
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  Speaker 1: Who would have thought something would have been wrong with McDonald's.
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  Speaker 4: Trust your gut if it feels wrong, and probably is wrong,
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  Speaker 4: obviously she had let her guard down at this point.
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  Speaker 4: She had let her guard down at this point and
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  Speaker 4: wanted to get food in her children's tunnies.
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  Speaker 1: How did you know he took Cherish because you said
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  Speaker 1: if they had asked, you would have said no.
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  Speaker 2: I watched her walk away behind him, and I I
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  Speaker 2: didn't want her to go with him, But at the
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  Speaker 2: same time, I knew we were inside a store with people.
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  Speaker 2: It's not like I was outside and said, we'll go
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  Speaker 2: get into these van by yourself. Note this is what
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  Speaker 2: some people think happened that it's not. The truth is
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  Speaker 2: on the video what really happened.
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  Speaker 1: But they actually walked right by the McDonald's and kept going.
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  Speaker 2: I saw a different tape. Cherish was standing in front
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  Speaker 2: of McDonald's and she was looking down, and then suddenly
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  Speaker 2: she looked up because she heard her name, and then
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  Speaker 2: she started running. Yep, That's why I was screaming watching that.
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  Speaker 2: So she's not coming home. So when.
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  Speaker 1: They go to McDonald's within the store, when do you
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  Speaker 1: realize Cherish is gone?
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  Speaker 2: I heard the overhead, Uh what is baker? Yes, thank
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  Speaker 2: you talking about how talking about how Walmart is closing
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: in thirty minutes and so that's when I thought about
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: going to the front of the store, but I made
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: a detour to the shoe section because my five year old, Destiny,
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: was one a pair of shoes that were too tight,
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: and I just said, Destiny, I will go see if
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: there's a pair of shoes that will feed you. So
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: I tried to make it quick because I knew Church
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: was at McDonald's waiting for me. So after I found
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: out that there's no shoes to fit her, we walked
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: to the front of the store and I finally found
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: a cashier and I started to put some items of
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: clothing up on the conveyor belt and I said, wait
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: a minute, someone's supposed to pay for this. I said,
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: could you watch them? And I'm looking around like this,
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: and I ran over to McDonald's and I said, did
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: you see a little girl with dark hair? And the
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: young guy said no. I said, I said, call name
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: on one. My daughter's been taken. And he just stood
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: there staring at me. And that's when I started doing this,
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: and no one would help me. And I was yelling out,
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: call name on one, my daughter's been taken, and I
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: felt like I was in a dream. No one's listening
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: to me. I couldn't barely make a sound. He's just staring.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: What's she doing? I didn't want to scream too loud.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: I already felt weird because I thought, well, maybe Church
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: would just walk back into the store. That's what you
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: want to believe.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: She's just out, maybe outside.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: With him at the door. You don't want to put
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: yourself there. Well, I didn't want to put myself there.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: I didn't want to overreact and then look like a fool.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: Oh she's just outside. What are you doing screaming?
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: When did you realize Cherish was gone totally good?
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: When I saw those two tapes to video surveillance tapes,
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: I started screaming, saying, she's not coming home. When did
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: you see the videotapes? That night, I went to the
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: security room and they showed me the tapes. They rolled
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: back the tapes.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: Mark class with us as well as Alie Neil and
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: investigative reporter Marline and Shiva. There are so many things
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: happening in this story. Cherish was abducted, Cherish was murdered,
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: she was tortured, raped, molested in a white then another
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: white then but there's so many problems and warnings within
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: this story.
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: Obviously, I mean, you don't let your children out of
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: your sight. You don't let them walk off with somebody
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: that you absolutely don't know whose story already isn't making sense.
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: But when you notify the store employees that there's a
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: problem and you believe your daughter might have been taken,
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: particularly at Walmart's, they subscribe to Code Adam. They have
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: an entire protocol about what to do in a situation
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: like that. And it looks like that young man had
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: not been trained, nor had anybody else that she approached
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: it this.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: What should they do?
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: What they trade Adam, Well, what code atom is is
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: if sets in the motions and protocols. Number one, they
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: notify all employees that there's a child that's missing. Number two,
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: they watch all entrances and exits. If they determine the
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: child's not there, they immediately notify nine to one one.
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: And then they go through the process of looking through
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: the CCTV tapes to see if the little girl was
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: let out of the store. They look into the parking
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: lot tapes to see if in fact, to see if
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: in fact, the little girl is seen getting into a
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: van and moving. Which is why when you're in a
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: situation like that, you should always park under lights as
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: near to the entrance as you possibly can, so you've
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: got that kind of a barrier, that kind of surveillance
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: to keep you to keep you safe.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: In Scherish's case is they didn't automatically do an amberl art. No,
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: they didn't, And people actually saw the car at a
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: time and identified the car at a time when Cherished,
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: we believe was still alive in the van, but it
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: wasn't connected to an amber alert, so nobody knew that
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: there could be a little girl in there. There's been kidnapped.
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: But amber alerts can't be activated by the local authorities.
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: I don't know if you know that. They have to
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: go down a chain and command themselves. So you need
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: to get various levels of authorization before you can green
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: light an amber alert, and I believe it takes two
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: to three hours to get to that point.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: Speaking of being out and about, there is the case
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: of Matthew Checky. Matthew, beautiful little boy was actually with
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: his whole family. It wasn't a single mom with three
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: children who were restless and hungry trying to find a ride.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: This is a whole family together at a picnic at
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: the each in California. Matthew needed to go to the bathroom.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: They thought, well, we're not gonna let him go to
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: a public bathroom by himself, So the aunt goes with
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: him and waits outside the bathroom.
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: Marlene on what happened. So she's waiting outside the bathroom,
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: he doesn't come out. While she's waiting, she sees a
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: boy that looks about somewhere, she said, like a teenager
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: walking in the bathroom. When that teenager walked right back
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: out and Matthew didn't, she got concerned. So she opened
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: the door and there was Matthew in the bathroom with
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: his throat slit.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: There's no easy way to say that. There's no easy
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: way to tell the story of Matthew Checky. But those
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: parents were doing everything right, or so they thought, even
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: walking him to the bathroom and waiting and waiting a
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: public bathroom on the beach.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: M h.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: We hear stories regarding bathroom incidents, whether somebody they try
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: to adult the child, try to molest the child, they
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: kill the child in a public bathroom. So much to
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: learn from that. But in this particular case of Matthew Chucky,
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: the aunt went with him.
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: Ali, it's a horrible case, and I don't know other
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: than going in there with him, I don't know what
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: would have stopped this deranged person from committing this court
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: Thinking for a family bathroom, absolutely, but back then the.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: Family goes in, yeah, looking for a uni sex bathroom
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: where they could both go. You look like you're counting
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: it off with your fingers. Whatever.
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: Well, the next step would be making sure the child
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: goes into a stall as opposed to a public an
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: open urinal.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: Or bringing the boy with you into the lady's bathroom. Sure,
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: the fear associated with public bathrooms Marlene at Shaivo and
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: my mind should really be extended to public areas when
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: you're out and about one that brings that to mine
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: is Tika Lewis right. What happened?
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: She was at a bowling alley with her entire family.
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: They were all together. She was merely ten feet away,
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: just kind of playing on an arcade game two years old,
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: and her mother was up to bowl. She asked her
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: brother and sister in law, you know, keep an eye
• 27:17
  Speaker 5: on her, turned her back. When she turned back around,
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: Tika was gone.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: That fast, that fast, she bowled, She got the ball back,
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: she bowled again. She turned around and Tika was gone.
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: I don't even know if she bowled again. She said
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: it was about twenty seconds was.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: On the first bowl. She turned around, Tika is gone.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: And a crowded was very crowded that night.
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: Bowling alley which is and there was not one eyewitness
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: in a crowded bowling alley that saw her leave or
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: saw anyone take her.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: It's like that.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: That Great Northern Bowling Alley was very crowded that night,
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: and the only lead they had to go on was
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: a vehicle someone saw scratchaw and it never went anywhere.
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: It never went anywhere because there were no surveillance cameras
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: on the parking lot. There were no surveillance cameras even
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: inside the bowling alley, and that tip came in later
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: and it just never went anywhere.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: They looked at fire doors, you know, the doors that
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: are supposed to emit an alarm when you open them,
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: but which did not emit an alarm. They tried to
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: figure out who had gone out the front door. Nobody
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: saw anything, but we know Tika was there with a
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: family and she because other people outside the family saw
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: her there and saw her right before the mom turned
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: around a bowl.
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: Absolutely, and everybody's story has cleared that. You know, the
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: mother took two polygraphs in voluntarily. The father wasn't there,
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: he was out of town. That alibi was substantiated, and
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: no one saw Tika leave. And the mother even said
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: that door was too heavy, So it's not like the
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: toddler sort of wandered.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: Off wanted on her own.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: When I have been in for as a check e
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: Cheese or a Dave in Busters, or an arcade where
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: the children are running different ways, that's hard, Mark class.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: What can we do about it?
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: Well, we can ensure number one that these locations only
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: have one way in and out. If you have multiple
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: entrances in exites, it's going to be much easier for
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: somebody to get out with the child. If you're in
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: an arcade kind of a situation. You also want to
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: be in a place where adults can't come in unaccompanied
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: by children.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: Want us that with Lego Land. They don't the ones
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: within malls, they don't let a single adult come in.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: You have to come in with children.
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: And you also have to wear a billion a little
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: armband as well, so they categorize you. They know who
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: you are. They are no doubt taking surveillance of you
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: at this point in time, but you need to do
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: those kinds of things. You want to make sure there's
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: not multiple entrances in exits. You want to make sure
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: that they don't let on a companied adults, and if
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: they do, you just have to keep a much sharper
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: eye on your child when you're in there, and understand
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: that you can't take your eyes off of them for
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: even one second. A lot of parents even tether their
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: children now. It used to be tethering with real leashes, unfortunately,
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: but now you can tether with GPS, and you can
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: set up geo fencing so that if your child goes
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: beyond a certain point there's going to be alarmed. That's
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: raised that you can then monitor with your own cell phone.
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: So things have come a long long way, but one
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: still has to be diligent and one has to know
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: one's surroundings and be sure that if a situation does occur,
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: you're going to be able to react correctly.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: Do you guys remember the case of Carly Brushaw. Yes,
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: I can still see that video of her. Carly Briushaw
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: in Florida had been to a spend the night party
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: the night before, remember Marlina, it was less than ten
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: minutes from home. The next morning, she was walking home
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: and she was going down the street where I think
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: she was going to take a right turn, and instead
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: she went caddy cornered across behind a car wash. The
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: surveillance video shows a little Carly walking and then a
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: guy walks up, speaks to her very briefly. He has
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: a mechanics outfit, takes her arm, leads her off, and
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: that's the last she's seen alive. That guy, Joseph Smith,
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: an unemployed mechanic who had a criminal history, is out
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: and about. In fact, he was still out on probation
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: at the time that this happened. Her body was recovered
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: half dressed behind a central Church of God out in
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: a densely wooded area not that far away. And the
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: mom is sitting at home waiting for Carly to walk
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: in the front door.
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: And I think we have today, thankfully, is find my
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: iPhone and the family sharing where you can actually watch
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: your kid walking or moving about, so that helps parents.
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: Where in Carly Bruce's time, she wasn't carrying a cell phone.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: Everyone with me, I introduced her before is Allie O'Neil,
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: the founder of Reved Up Kids. My children went to
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: her class as part of Lucy's Girl Scout program and
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: I was so overwhelmed and impressed by what she had
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: to say, and I want you to hear what she
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: has to say, Allie, how can children fight back?
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: So when kids get to be in middle school age,
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: like Carly was, they're beginning to separate more from their parents.
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: They're beginning to do things more independently, and that's a
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: really scary time for parents, and that's a time when
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: we need to learn to equip our kids to take
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: some ownership of their safety. One of the things that
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: we teach kids is they need to maintain a safe space,
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: meaning about four or five six feet around their body,
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: almost like a bubble, and they need to always know
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: who's near their safe space all the time, and they
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: shouldn't let anybody inside their safe space unless they're comfortable
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: with that person being there. So when kids are out,
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: like Carly was walking, she should have her head on
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: a swivel and she should know exactly who's around her
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: every second, and if somebody starts approaching her who she
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: doesn't know, she needs to be running she should. He
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: never should have been able to get in close to
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: her to the point that he could grab her by
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: the arm. And who knows if he said I have
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: a gun, come with me quietly, I would assume there
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: was some sort of a threat. But if kids can
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: be taught to just focus on everybody around them, and
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: we always say especially focus on people who seem to
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: be focusing on you when you're out, that goes a
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: long way towards helping them protect themselves from that type
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: of a scenario. And then we also, of course, I
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: always say that in Rain's case, where he kept looking
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: at her in a very unusual way and looking at
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: the girls.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: Us on someone that's over focusing on you.
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, okay, absolutely, and then always trust your instinct. Now,
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: Carly didn't have a moment of time right he came up,
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: He caught her by surprise, and he grabbed her by
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: the arm and took her away, So she didn't even
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: have a moment of time to trust her instinct. Rain,
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: I am very sorry for your loss. But I hear
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: your story, and I hear your instinct screaming at you
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: again and again and again. Something's not right with this person,
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: this man, and every single time you justified his behavior
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: somehow to allow.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: The situation to continue.
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: So we have to believe that in her voice, that
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: that is our best tool for safety.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: Allays, Let's address children who are approached by someone, for instance,
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: in a car and ask you for a direction, right, Hey,
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: do you know where main street is?
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: No, No, he's an adult. Should never ask a child
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: for great house.
• 34:52
  Speaker 5: Never.
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: They should never no business doing that in the child
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: should remove themselves from that situation.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: Adults do not need the help of children rate okay,
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: and and even big and bigger older kids.
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: We need our kids to understand that that person with
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: bad intentions might not always be a grown up. It
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: could be somebody who's five, six, seven years older than you.
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: If you're a thirteen year old girl, it could be
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: an eighteen year old boy who's approaching you on the
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: street and he has no business doing now.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: For instance, in the Samantha Lonion case, where the little
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: girl was two year old, three year old playing in
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: the front yard, we are told that he asked her
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: about his puppy, his lost puppy.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: Sure, which is the.
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: Oldest trick and it still works. Nancy, that's the crazy part,
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: it still works.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: So the child gets close to the car and once
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: the child is within ten fifteen feet of the car,
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: it's over. They get the child is a car, just
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: like we were hearing earlier from Alicia, and it's done. Yeah,
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: So what can we tell our children?
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: So we need to We need to tell our children
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: a awareness, situational awareness and who is around you and
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: who is near you. I think also we have to
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: be careful because our children are going to take cues
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: from us. I suspect that Cherish very much trusted her
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: abductor because he had been talking to mommy for hours.
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: She didn't have any reason not to trust him in
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: that moment. So we have to be careful about how
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: we interact with individuals and are we teaching our children
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: to let their guard down when they shouldn't be. When
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: my children attended your class Revved Up Kids, you gave
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: very specific examples of what children should do and be
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: aware of what are they And one of the things
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: that we find is kids are taught by their parents
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: to be very helpful, always help, and also obedient, obey
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: and be respectful to adults. So predators use that by
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: asking kids for help asking kids for assistants, pretending to
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: be hurt, can you give me directions? The life Lost
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: dog lure. So we tell kids one of the most
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: important things you do for your safety is your parents
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: need to know exactly where you are every minute of
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: every day. Anytime you are invited into someone's home, their garage,
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: their basement, their backyard, you check in with your parents first.
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: If a stranger asks you for help, there's no reason
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: a stranger should ever ask a child for help. They
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: can go to another adult. But sometimes predators are people
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: that our children know, they're people in that inner circle.
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: What are they supposed to do then? So we always say,
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: if someone you know is asking you for help, you
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: need to get permission from your parents first. So that's,
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: you know, one of the big rules that we lay
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: out for kids for safety. Always, always your parents know
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: exactly where you are. That's the best way to stay safe.
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: And then there are rules that support that.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: I e.
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: I keep my safe space. I don't talk to strangers.
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: I don't believe people who are you asking me questions,
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: approaching me, trying to talk to me. That goes to
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: keeping safe space, That goes to not if somebody approaches
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: you and they're a stranger to you, you shouldn't be
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: going anywhere near that car. What if you're walking and
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: someone is slowly coming up near you, what can you
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: do in that moment? Run in the opposite direction that
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: the car is going. It's hard for a car to
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: turn around, So if you just run the opposite way.
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: And a child needs to know in their neighborhood, in
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: their closed circle, where are the safe places to go?
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: So that's not just my next door neighbor. Where else
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: in my neighborhood where I might be playing are the
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: safe houses that I can go if I ever feel
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: like I'm in trouble. So that's a conversation to have
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: with your children. Talk about who your safe neighbors are.
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: Help your kids to be able to identify those homes
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: all throughout the neighborhood. Maybe there's four or five different
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: houses in different parts of the neighborhood where you know
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: the people well, so that your child has a place
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: to go. And then we all so say, you know,
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: if everything goes wrong and you're far away from home
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: and you're not in your safe neighbors, go where there's people.
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: Go to a group of people and activity. Don't put
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: yourself in a situation where you're further isolated. Maybe the
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: child's playing at the park and they're off by themselves
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: on the swing and somebody starts to approach them. Run
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: toward groups of people. That's the safest place to go.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: And I guess Marilene, a part of what she is
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: saying is be careful of people approaching you that shouldn't
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: be getting close to you. Once they're close enough to you,
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: it's over. It's for a child, for instance, on a playground.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: There are a string of cases where children have been
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: inbducted from softball fields, playgrounds.
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: Absolutely, and there are so many criminals out there that
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: are so breezen that they will kidnap a child even
• 39:49
  Speaker 5: if the parent is there. There was one case in Kirkland,
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: Washington where a grandmother, a mother, and two children are
• 39:56
  Speaker 5: just walking through the park. The grandmother's in charge of
• 39:58
  Speaker 5: the toddler, and this woman just comes up behind ooop
• 40:02
  Speaker 5: on the head to the grandmother and takes off with
• 40:04
  Speaker 5: the toddler.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: Of course they go running after her.
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: It ends well.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: They cach a female abductor.
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: A female abductor you know, which we later learned she
• 40:13
  Speaker 5: had mental illnesses living out of a car. But that's
• 40:15
  Speaker 5: not the point. The point is is that they're everywhere
• 40:17
  Speaker 5: and it doesn't even matter. Sometimes if the parent is there.
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: They caught up with her, they got the toddler back,
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: she was arrested. There's another case that happened.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: In New York.
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: A mom takes her two children stay at home. Mom
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: takes her two children out to the playground that's right
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: next to their home. Another mom asks for her assistance
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: with her child. She turns and when she turns back again,
• 40:38
  Speaker 5: only her daughter is standing there. The son is gone.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: The daughter said, there's some.
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: Maintenance worker that was standing on the playground. Apparently this
• 40:47
  Speaker 5: is the man that took her son. Thankfully, twenty four
• 40:50
  Speaker 5: hours later he was recovered. But yeah, so she was
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: standing within feet of her own son and this person
• 40:58
  Speaker 5: just came up and.
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: Sitt, I tell you what happened with me and the
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: Babies or Us. A mother had come up to me
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: at our community pool and was bragging that she made
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: her own sunscreen and it was organic, because you know
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: now they think sunscreen causes cancer. So I go to
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: Babies or Us. It's a giant superstore and up down well,
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: the very bottom level on the floor. Looking I stand up,
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: I didn't find it. I turn around. John David's gone.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: Lucy's standing there. John David's gone. It was just that instance.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: You don't have to doubt what these other people are saying.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: I couldn't have been down there over a minute and
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: a half because I dug around a little bit and
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: then got up, stood up and turned around. He's gone.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: I picked Lucy up like a football and started running
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: and screaming, locked the doors. Somebody took my baby and
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: they did lock the doors, and everybody converged because of
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: me screaming, and we found John David. He was wearing
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: those little rubber crocks. I never heard him walk off,
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: and he had gotten three or four aisles down. But
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: what if you got a child that big alone in
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: a giant store. Babies are us. It's a predator's dream.
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: Can I add a tip for parents for that? We
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: always say to parents two things. A when you go
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: out with your child anywhere, snap a head to toe
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: picture that morning on your cell phone of your child,
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: because chances are if someone would have said what was
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: he wearing, you were in a panic. You don't remember
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: what he was wearing. Or if you describe a child
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: who's he's this tall with sandy blond hair and blue eyes,
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: versus here's a picture of my kid from this morning,
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: that'll help the volunteers who mobilize to walk.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: Okay, so that's a really good practice I see in
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: your head. Yes, do you have an idea?
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: No?
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: I agree with that.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: Told me.
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: I think that's a great And then my second thing is,
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: whenever you go anywhere with your child and you walk
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: in the door, you need to make a separation plan.
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: What will we do if we get separated? Where will
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: we go? You need to have your child participate in
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: that decision. Pick a place that your child can find
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: from anywhere in that venue. Some like if you're in Walmart,
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: can you look up at the ceiling and can you
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: see a sign? Or can your child find the front
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: of the store And pick a place and have your
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: child be part of that decision, so it sinks into
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: your child's brain where they're supposed to go. That way,
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: if they do get separated from you, they're not walking
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: around the store crying and looking lost for their Mommy.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: Ellie Neil and someone approaches your child or Alene carly
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: brush or where you see him physically grab her arm.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: When that happens, what should your child yell out?
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: We use well, yes, we use fire with older kids
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: because I think older kids tend to be more likely
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: to be abducted alone out in public with little babies
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: like your kids, Just yelling out anything is going to
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: draw attention to them. So when we teach kids, we're
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: teaching them to string No.
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: I've always been told that if they yell, I say, oh,
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: that kid's in trouble. It doesn't want to get reprimand
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: they're still drying. That's what I tell the children to yell, Yah,
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: you're not my mommy, you're not my daddy, let me go.
• 44:12
  Speaker 5: It doesn't actually always work. In the case I was
• 44:15
  Speaker 5: telling you about New York. They're on a subway and
• 44:17
  Speaker 5: he's saying, I want my mommy, I want my mommy.
• 44:20
  Speaker 5: And this guy was acting like, oh, we're going to
• 44:22
  Speaker 5: find her as soon as we get to the cops,
• 44:24
  Speaker 5: as if he was helping him.
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he was four year old.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: This child.
• 44:28
  Speaker 5: For me, it's about the other people on the crowded
• 44:31
  Speaker 5: train thought, oh, this man's helping him. Okay, she's fine.
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: A four year old little boy on the subway in New.
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: York with a kidnapper.
• 44:40
  Speaker 5: And what happened, Oh well, he took him all the
• 44:42
  Speaker 5: way uptown, spent the night with him, and then dropped
• 44:47
  Speaker 5: him off back into the subway to a subway clerk,
• 44:49
  Speaker 5: and that's when the clerk called the cops and he
• 44:51
  Speaker 5: was recovered.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: You mention something about a crowded beach.
• 44:56
  Speaker 5: That was a personal story of the same thing that
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: happened to you. And babies are us With my daughter
• 45:01
  Speaker 5: when she was two years old and I put down
• 45:04
  Speaker 5: and put a bucket down and look back up and
• 45:06
  Speaker 5: she was gone. I mean it was like that. And
• 45:08
  Speaker 5: I did a three sixty in a total panic, and
• 45:10
  Speaker 5: I was with a you know, a group of friends,
• 45:12
  Speaker 5: and she had already made it forty feet ahead of
• 45:15
  Speaker 5: heading towards the water.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: So what do we need to do? Regarding playgrounds? I
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: always look for a playground that has a fence around
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: it if I can find it, I try to find,
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: like in an arcade or any other amusement place. I
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: try to find one that only has one entry exit
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: so I can look at it, or people that are
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: working there know who's coming in and out. What else
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: should we look for regarding playgrounds and amusement places.
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: Once you get in there, I think you should try
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: to make a judgment call as to whether or not
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: the other adults that are there are supervising children or not.
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: And if you find someone that's obviously not supervising children,
• 45:56
  Speaker 4: that's somebody you totally have to keep your eye on
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: because they're not there for a good reason, no good.
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: Reason, And don't be complacent. I think a lot of
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: times parents when they go to the same places over
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: and over again, there's a sense of comfort and safety there,
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: regardless of whether it's true or not. You see your
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: children playing, everything's fine week after week after week. Then
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: you're okay reading your book, you're okay talking to your
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: girlfriend on the phone, and you're not honed in and
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: watching your children. And same thing in the stores if
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: it's a story shop at all the time, you just
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: feel a sense of safety.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: When you said they'll, I got you, that really hit home.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: I go out with the children, I'll look around every
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: single mom and an adult is just like it's gully
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: to and yeah, he could just deal all the children
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: and herd them up white cats and put them in
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: a v enemy gone and nobody would look up from
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: their I phone. You're probably right.
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: So just paying attention, just being vigilant all the time
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: when you're out with your kids is really really critical.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: Let's summarize what we know.
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: Here's how I would summarize that a lot of these
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: points have already been made. That parents should know where
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: their children are all the time, so the kids should
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: be telling the parents where they're going to be. That
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: they should be using the buddy system. That they shouldn't
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: be alone because being alone isolates them. That they should
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: trust their feelings. If something feels wrong, it probably is wrong.
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: And they need to put distance between themselves and whatever
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: that is. That they should feel comfortable walking up to
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: people they don't know, so called strangers, people they don't know,
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: particularly police officers in uniform or anybody in a uniform,
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: or a mother, or even the vast majority of men,
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: although men tend to be the problem, and they will
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: help that child get out of the situation that they're in.
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: And I really believe that you should give kids, even
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: young kids, a cell phone. It gives you, it tethers
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: you to them, it gives you the ability, hopefully to
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: track them if something goes wrong and that you should
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: also as well.
• 47:49
  Speaker 6: As a little GPS tracker, as well as talking about
• 47:53
  Speaker 6: safe places with your kids, show your kids areas to
• 47:56
  Speaker 6: avoid like alleyways in dark stairs else where if they're
• 48:01
  Speaker 6: alone and somebody is lurking and they could find themselves
• 48:04
  Speaker 6: in a world of hurt.
• 48:06
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yep, And I had one more when I was
• 48:08
  Speaker 7: talking about the out and about and picking the place. Also,
• 48:13
  Speaker 7: remind your child that you would never ever leave without them.
• 48:17
  Speaker 7: So if somebody says I saw your momy go out
• 48:19
  Speaker 7: the door looking for you, that is not true. Make
• 48:22
  Speaker 7: sure your child knows that you would never leave without them.
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: That is a lot of information. Let's break it down
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: how to keep your child safe out and about. Number
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: one so obvious. In a store or anywhere, don't let
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: your child out off your sight, don't let your child
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: talk to strangers, and don't rely on strangers to watch
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: your child. Alert the store immediately if your child is
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: missing so they can trigger a code adam. Always have
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: a separation plan in case you do get separated, and
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: have that conversation with your child. Let them participate in
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: making the decision if where to meet up.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: Make sure your.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: Child knows you would never leave without them, so if
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: a stranger tells them that that's not true. Public bathrooms
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: whenever possible. Find a unisex or a family bathroom. Never
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: send your child into a public bathroom alone. If you
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: need help, ask an employee or security guard. Never accept
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: help from a well meaning stranger to watch your child
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: in the bathroom. Teach your child to use a private stall,
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: never an open urine all. Teach your child never to
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: speak to a stranger in the bathroom. Avoid public bathrooms
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: with more than one entrance. Make eye contact with every
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: person who enters the bathroom while your child is in there.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: Stand at the door and talk to your child loudly
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: while they are in the bathroom. If for some reason,
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: you must let them go in by themselves. When you
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: are at an amusement center, a bowling alley, an arcade,
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: look for playplaces that only allow adults, and if they
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: are with a child. Why would a single adult be
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: and a child bouncy house no reason. Stay away from
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: people who are not their supervising children. Go to places
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: where you're required to have a wristband or a stamp
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: to enter or re enter. Look for playplaces with only
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: one entrance and exit. Owners must be running comprehensive background
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: checks to eliminate known threats in parks and playgrounds, again,
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: look for places with only one entrance exit. Fenced playgrounds
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: are the best. Look for playgrounds where alcohol is not allowed.
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: If possible, choose playgrounds or parks that are not visible
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: from the interstate. What about in your own neighborhood? Parents
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: must know where their children are every minute of every day.
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: It's not that hard. Always have your child check in
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: with you. Remind your child there is no reason an
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: adult should ever ask for help. That goes for teens
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: as well. Adults can go to other adults for help.
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: Children must be indoctrinated to keep a safe space between
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: them and strangers and to never approach a stranger's vehicle.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: If a car pulls up behind your child, train your
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: child to run in the opposite direction. Your child must
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: know safe places in your neighborhood if there are any
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: Speak to your child about these issues. Who are safe neighbors,
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: What houses should they go to in case of an emergency?
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: If they are away from home, go where there are
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: people and activity, and never ever teach us to your
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: child let them isolate themselves away from other people. If
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: your child is in danger, they must make a lot
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: of noise. If they are afraid or in danger, you
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: must tell them what to do if they feel unsafe.
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: Remember the little.
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: Girl at Walmart who kicked and screamed and massed to
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: get away from a predator. She was taught that children
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: must trust their instincts. If someone's telling them to do
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: something that they don't feel as right, they've got a
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: scream and put distance between themselves and that person. Go
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: to an authority, tell them what has happened. Use the
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: buddy system. Consider giving your child a cell phone so
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: they are tethered to you digitally. I know it seems overwhelming,
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: and it is, but you are the parent. This is
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: your duty. It may seem overwhelming, but again, there is
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: no second chance.