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Inside The Data: How Does This Year's EDGE Group Measure Up Athletically? · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello, welcome back to Inside the Data On Inside the Birds.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Jeff Mosher and of course we got our data
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  Speaker 1: and analytics expert Sam Finkle with us, and we continue
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  Speaker 1: to look at the twenty twenty six NFL Draft coming
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  Speaker 1: up and the athletic testing that the participants put forth
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  Speaker 1: at the combine. We do it by position, and this
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  Speaker 1: position we're going to do in this podcast. As you know,
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  Speaker 1: Sam will as always when we do this every years
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  Speaker 1: one of the more listened to podcast because people love
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  Speaker 1: the edge rusher position. And it just happens to coincide
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  Speaker 1: with an interesting time for the Eagles, who probably thought
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  Speaker 1: they were going to have Jalen Phillips back along with
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  Speaker 1: Jylex Hunt and Nolan Smith to make a really nice
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  Speaker 1: three man combination trio. But there is no Jalen Phillips.
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  Speaker 1: He is off to the Carolina Panthers for an overwhelming
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  Speaker 1: amount of money, and the Eagles, as they typically do,
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  Speaker 1: signed a lot of guys to one year contracts. You know,
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  Speaker 1: bridge players, rotational players, but really don't have now unless
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  Speaker 1: you know they pull off some trade an avenue to
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  Speaker 1: get at a real elite edge rusher. And so maybe
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  Speaker 1: you look toward the draft.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's totally plausible.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And you know I didn't think, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you never know, you know, we do our free agent previews.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't think Joe and Phillips would get into the
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  Speaker 1: thirty million neighborhood. But I'm also not surprised. We saw
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  Speaker 1: it with Milton Williams two years ago where our team
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  Speaker 1: just blows everybody out of the water.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, all right.
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  Speaker 1: So the one thing about this edge rusher class that
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  Speaker 1: I find really interesting, and I wanted to get your
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  Speaker 1: overall viewpoint on this because we've discussed this about some
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  Speaker 1: other positions as well before I bring up the charts,
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  Speaker 1: is that when I was going through the truck that
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  Speaker 1: you put up for edge Rusher, it really struck me
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  Speaker 1: how it's not just like top fifteen guys. A lot
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  Speaker 1: of guys just elected to not do certain things that
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  Speaker 1: I think typically, you know, you think it benefits them,
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  Speaker 1: but obviously if they don't do it, they don't think
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  Speaker 1: they're gonna score well, or they just want to wait
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  Speaker 1: for their pro day. But I mean, there was only
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  Speaker 1: one person to do the shuttle. I think there was
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  Speaker 1: only three people to do the bench like bench for
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  Speaker 1: an edge rusher is kind of a big thing wide receiver,
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  Speaker 1: not so much edge rusher. You'd like your front seven guys.
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  Speaker 2: You can see it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, two guys who did the three cone sou
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's weird that everybody wants to run the
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  Speaker 1: forty when straight line speed for an edge rusher is
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  Speaker 1: good but not always predictive of anything, but not do
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  Speaker 1: other stuff that might be more predictive. What was your
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  Speaker 1: thought on that?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, honestly, I just I feel like this class, particularly
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  Speaker 2: at edge, is pretty top heavy, and I think that's
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  Speaker 2: what the athletic data will show you. And I think
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  Speaker 2: that if it wasn't so top heavy, you'd see probably
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  Speaker 2: people doing more of these drills.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. But don't
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  Speaker 1: you also go to the just because we've done a
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  Speaker 1: couple of these positions now and it just seems like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if it's what agents are telling their
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  Speaker 1: players or things, but it just seems like there's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of athletic testing that's being skipped overall by positions.
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  Speaker 2: I agree. I think that's a general trend that we're seeing.
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  Speaker 2: It's super interesting. I think that a lot of teams,
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  Speaker 2: a lot of players will opt for their pro days
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  Speaker 2: just because well, I think if you think about it
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  Speaker 2: this way, I'll give you some inside baseball right now,
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  Speaker 2: which I I love it inside football right now. But
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  Speaker 2: Penn states the way it's built, it's a little bit
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  Speaker 2: at an angle. The actual facility, the train last like
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  Speaker 2: the what it was that they renovated it. But you
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  Speaker 2: would be able to run theoretically a faster forty yard dash, yes,
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  Speaker 2: because of the angle. Yes, And so mean schools have
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  Speaker 2: those kind of you know, it is kind of like
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  Speaker 2: baseball where every stadium is a little bit different, although
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  Speaker 2: every training facility is a little bit different, and there's
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  Speaker 2: like certain advantages. There's a comfortability factor of it. You know,
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  Speaker 2: I'm at my you know where home was for three
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  Speaker 2: or four years for each player, right, So I think
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  Speaker 2: there's a level of comfort, there's some sort of level
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  Speaker 2: of advantage potentially, Yeah, And I think that's a lot
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  Speaker 2: of Also, you could buy more time, right, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: like let's say, not saying that like a week or
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  Speaker 2: two or three weeks is really going to make that
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  Speaker 2: much of a difference, But if you're nursing an injury,
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  Speaker 2: it could.
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  Speaker 1: That's true. That's true. There's a lot of variables. There's
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  Speaker 1: also the upside potentially of performing at the Combine and
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  Speaker 1: then three weeks later at your own place you do
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  Speaker 1: better and say say, hey, you look, you improved. It's
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  Speaker 1: like you take the SATs. Once you get a decent grade,
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  Speaker 1: you take it again. You get a lot better. It's
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  Speaker 1: not just that you're held to that score standard. You're like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: this person improved their score by x amount, but they
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  Speaker 1: worked hard, you know, Like, so there's some benefits to that.
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  Speaker 1: But I also think that your point is accurate that
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  Speaker 1: the more time, the less risk of injury at the combine.
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  Speaker 1: The lack of I would say that the NFL itself.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to say they're devaluing the combine, but
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  Speaker 1: I think the RAMS don't send anybody, you know, outside
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  Speaker 1: of a few personnel people there, a lot of coaches
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  Speaker 1: don't go to the Senior Bowl anymore. So I think
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  Speaker 1: it's a good in that you really should. Your tape
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  Speaker 1: is supposed to speak to what you do, and this
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  Speaker 1: validates that. Right, Yeah, you know your athletic tell you're not.
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  Speaker 1: The NFL doesn't want to get into NFL teams that
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  Speaker 1: are smart, don't want to just draft workout warriors. You know,
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  Speaker 1: they've been conned before and so this is a good
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  Speaker 1: way to avoid it. But I think for the player
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  Speaker 1: it's still the one thing that the testing does. When
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  Speaker 1: you test really well, it makes scouts go back to
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  Speaker 1: the tape and watch and cross reference, and honestly, I
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  Speaker 1: do think it puts a bias in their head because
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  Speaker 1: they feel like they miss something and then they go
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  Speaker 1: back and watch the tape and they're like, oh, well,
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  Speaker 1: you know it's it's a preconceived a little bit of
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  Speaker 1: a or a confirmation bias. Yeah, or I guess it
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  Speaker 1: would be the opposite. It would be a because you
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  Speaker 1: originally have one viewpoint and then you saw the athletic
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  Speaker 1: testing and then yeah, the athletic testing becomes a confirmation
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  Speaker 1: bias and now what you're seeing on tape. So there
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  Speaker 1: are some benefits to it, but I mean, I think
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  Speaker 1: for the overall fan element of it, Sam people like
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  Speaker 1: to watch these guys go out to the combine and
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  Speaker 1: partake in all these events and you know they're just
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  Speaker 1: not doing is like they used to.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, all right, So let's talk about the edge
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  Speaker 2: rusher group.
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  Speaker 1: Then show everybody the charts that you put together there's
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  Speaker 1: a lot more of these guys than there were, say,
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  Speaker 1: like safeties are tight end, so I can't, you know,
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  Speaker 1: in order to fit it in all the screen, I
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  Speaker 1: got to lower the size here. So what I think
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  Speaker 1: I want of doing is because I don't really like
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  Speaker 1: the way that looks. So I'm gonna blow up and
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  Speaker 1: then we'll go through the first half and then like this.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's about it's They're all in alphabetical order, correct.
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  Speaker 1: I did will I almost pondered grouping it by athleticism score,
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  Speaker 1: so we just go through the top athlete, but I
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  Speaker 1: didn't want to do that.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't We could do that, that's totally.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I know we could, but I don't mind
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  Speaker 1: doing it this way.
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  Speaker 2: It's fine.
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  Speaker 1: So we'll look at the first like twenty or so
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  Speaker 1: guys in the list, and then we'll go because there's
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  Speaker 1: about forty so yeah, it'll be half and half. Go ahead.
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  Speaker 1: So you're gonna make a point.
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  Speaker 2: Sure, I certainly can make a point.
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  Speaker 1: Sure, I think this speaks to the top heaviness. By
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  Speaker 1: the way your chart.
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  Speaker 2: Here, Yeah, I think we've had some of the highest
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  Speaker 2: highs and lowest lows in this there's a lot of
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  Speaker 2: fifty and sixty scores, which we really haven't seen at
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  Speaker 2: any of their positions. Really that at this like volume, right,
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  Speaker 2: which I think speaks to the top heavy part of
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  Speaker 2: this class. I mean, on this particular kular section, we
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  Speaker 2: have actually pretty much everybody that's our metalist from the
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  Speaker 2: athleticism score standard is pretty much on here. One guy's
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  Speaker 2: kind of cut off. We'll talk about him in the
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  Speaker 2: second half, but I mean there's a lot of metalists
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  Speaker 2: that are in this top alphabetical portion of it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I think we should just talk top down. Sure, Sure,
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  Speaker 2: obviously Aiden Hubbard was with the third best bench, but
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  Speaker 2: I mean they were only and that's all he did
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  Speaker 2: all he did, So I don't know how much that's
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  Speaker 2: worth talking about.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I think you know, we're obviously not gonna be
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  Speaker 1: able to get to every single name, right, so let's
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  Speaker 1: get to well, let's talk about some of the bigger names.
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  Speaker 1: Day one, day two, day three guys. So Messador from
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  Speaker 1: Miami is a difficult discussion because he didn't do anything right,
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  Speaker 1: goes to my point, and so his athleticism score is
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  Speaker 1: sixty nine is basically highly wayed by his just as
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  Speaker 1: measurables correct. Right. Reese. On the other hand, Arville Reese,
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  Speaker 1: who some draft experts might tell you will be the
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  Speaker 1: first edge rusher taken in the draft or among the
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  Speaker 1: top three or four, clearly clearly thought Sam that he
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  Speaker 1: was going to be very impressive in the dash and
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  Speaker 1: obviously the ten yard split of it, because he did that,
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  Speaker 1: did nothing else and then golded in both.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, yeah, I mean that is gold, right, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that is gold. Yes, so double gold. He got it
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  Speaker 2: in the split and the forty yard dash, and he said,
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  Speaker 2: that's that's the day. Yeah, we're calling it. And yet
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  Speaker 2: he still only has a seventy nine athleticism score, which
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  Speaker 2: is a little bit interesting, is.
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  Speaker 1: That I don't have his measurables exactly in front of me.
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  Speaker 1: I can get them really quick. But I assume that's why.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that is almost definitively why.
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  Speaker 1: It's I mean, he's six four, two forty, so he's
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  Speaker 1: a little light the edge of two forty, but six
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  Speaker 1: four is not bad. Nine and a half hands hants.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you'd like a guy with ten, but like
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  Speaker 1: that's not the biggest thing in the world. Thirty two
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  Speaker 1: and a half arms, So I would say that they're good,
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  Speaker 1: not like exceptional measurables.
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  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, and that's that's kind of what hurts him.
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  Speaker 2: I think that when when they get his pro day data,
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  Speaker 2: I think he'll his athleticism score will go up. I
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  Speaker 2: think he's a guy that letson score will go up.
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  Speaker 1: Right. This is a guy that if people don't aren't
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  Speaker 1: familiar with his game at Ohio State, he's sort of
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  Speaker 1: like this growing crop of players, and John Campbell would
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  Speaker 1: fit that ball where edge rusher one day off full
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  Speaker 1: hibacker the other day. He's kind of a tweener. He
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  Speaker 1: can do both. They're not a one hundred percent sure
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  Speaker 1: where what he's going to be, but they're pretty damn
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  Speaker 1: sure based on his production in college, and you know
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  Speaker 1: his athletic traits that wherever you put him, he's gonna
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  Speaker 1: be good.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I couldn't have said it better myself.
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  Speaker 1: So I mean, he's gonna wind up rushing the passer
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  Speaker 1: no matter where you put him. Like I don't want
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  Speaker 1: to listen. I want to call him Michael Parsons, But
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  Speaker 1: like you know, deployment will be the question, production will not.
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  Speaker 2: That's a good way. I really like that phrasing. That
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  Speaker 2: sounds good to me.
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  Speaker 1: Cool, So, I mean his teammate Kayden Curry did absolutely nothing.
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  Speaker 1: Cassius Howell is a guy. Andrew de Checko's written about
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  Speaker 1: kind of a Day two guy. I don't know, maybe
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  Speaker 1: he can sneak into bottom day one.
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  Speaker 2: You never know.
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  Speaker 1: But a really good pass rusher out of A and
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  Speaker 1: M looks like he decided to buck the trend and
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  Speaker 1: do a lot of stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah he did, and he gold metaled in the split,
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  Speaker 2: which honestly is more important for an edge rusher than
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  Speaker 2: the forty yard dash.
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  Speaker 1: Explain why I'm glad you brought that up.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's it's really just about how explosive you are
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  Speaker 2: in that short distance. And really, as an edge rusher,
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  Speaker 2: that's kind of what your job is, right, especially against
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  Speaker 2: the pass. And you know, like when you're pass rushing,
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  Speaker 2: you want to be able to quickly accelerate, and so
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  Speaker 2: the split really measures how fast you accelerate. Right.
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  Speaker 1: As I always like to say, Sam, if you're an
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  Speaker 1: edge rusher, you are not forty yards away from the quarterback.
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  Speaker 2: So that time of service.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and if you're making a tackle forty yards downfield
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  Speaker 1: and an edge rusher, well, kudos to you for you know,
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  Speaker 1: having that kind of reverse direction ability, but that's not
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  Speaker 1: really what you know they need you for. Absolutely, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so yeah, I think the ten yard the split is
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  Speaker 1: it's ten yard right, ten yards split?
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  Speaker 2: It is a ten yard split.
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  Speaker 1: That's much more realistic for how how far you are
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  Speaker 1: as an edge rusher from the QB and your time
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  Speaker 1: there is more important. He tied Arvel Reese for the
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  Speaker 1: fastest split.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, so well, well said, for sure. There you
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  Speaker 2: know who the next guy we got to talk about is?
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  Speaker 1: You know what I gotta say. This surprised me a
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  Speaker 1: little bit, and maybe because as Penn State observers, we
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  Speaker 1: have been so accustomed to guys who are just so
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  Speaker 1: freakishly athletic. Abdul Carter, Micah Parsons oay right, who blew
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  Speaker 1: up the combine. When I watch Denied Dennis Sutton play
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  Speaker 1: DDS as we call him, I always thought he had
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  Speaker 1: more of a power and like will determination element of
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  Speaker 1: his game than overall like great athleticism. But apparently his
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  Speaker 1: athleticism was pretty darn good.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you. I think the film shows
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  Speaker 2: more of the former rather than the latter, but it's
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  Speaker 2: nice to see his athleticism is still there. You know,
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  Speaker 2: I think teams would feel really good that there's both, right.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that's what you're looking for in terms of
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  Speaker 2: a composite and overall prospect. So and he was the
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  Speaker 2: gold medal finisher in athleticism score yep. And it does
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  Speaker 2: help that he did most of the drills. I think
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  Speaker 2: that the and did relatively well in most of the drills. Yep.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he he was. I think he stayed in school,
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  Speaker 1: like I guess he could have come out. I think
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  Speaker 1: this is this the guy who benefited by staying one
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  Speaker 1: more year even though Penn State had not a great
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  Speaker 1: year obviously in a whole lot of change, but he
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  Speaker 1: really kind of took that leadership role this past year,
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  Speaker 1: held the team together. You know, they finished strong with
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  Speaker 1: Terry Smith as the head coach, and he was a
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  Speaker 1: big part of that. I think he's a day to
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  Speaker 1: guy who has the potential to really emerge, you know,
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  Speaker 1: in three or four years into his career as a real,
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  Speaker 1: real good cornerstone type of you know, I'm trying to
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  Speaker 1: think like who I could like relate him to almost
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  Speaker 1: like a remember Justin Tuck from the Giants, like a
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  Speaker 1: good player out of Notre Dame kind of had like
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  Speaker 1: an it really like as his career got on, he
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  Speaker 1: got better and better and started to like really refine
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  Speaker 1: his moves. But that I think Dennis Sutton's gonna be
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  Speaker 1: a good player for somebody.
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  Speaker 2: I think so too. But I do think you're right.
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  Speaker 2: I do think there's gonna be a little bit of
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  Speaker 2: a time where he needs to develop and grow into
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  Speaker 2: this NFL player role, and a good one at that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Good stys by the way, six six two fifty six,
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  Speaker 1: thirty three and a half arms. That's good ten ten
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  Speaker 1: and one a tens. So that's good stuff for him.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I like, I'm gonna be very curious to see
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  Speaker 1: where this guy. I had a feeling he was going
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  Speaker 1: to be a day like a second or a third
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  Speaker 1: round guy after his season was over. But I feel
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  Speaker 1: like when you test like that plus your production, and
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  Speaker 1: he's a great character kid that probably earmarked himself for
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  Speaker 1: the second round.
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  Speaker 2: Like floor agreed with you. Yeah, I mean everything screams
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  Speaker 2: like this seems like a good investment by a team.
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  Speaker 1: So all right, Next guy shout out to uh David
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  Speaker 1: Right for Texas Tech because he uh did a lot
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  Speaker 1: of the athletic testing, even though he's also projected to
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  Speaker 1: be a first round guy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. And his athleticism score is actually the same
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  Speaker 2: as r Vel Reese's, which is super interesting. Yeah, silver
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  Speaker 2: medaled in the forty yard dash at a four five
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  Speaker 2: zero flat and that which is very fast. Uh, and
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  Speaker 2: the broad jump is ten oh nine.
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  Speaker 1: So this is what the NFL looks for, like the
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  Speaker 1: combination of production and athleticism, a guy that you feel.
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  Speaker 1: They call him the quote unquote safe picks, even though
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  Speaker 1: we know there's really no not a safe pick, but
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  Speaker 1: a phenomenal player who tests well. I don't know much
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  Speaker 1: about the kid, like character wise or anything like that.
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  Speaker 1: But he's six four two fifty one thirty three and
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  Speaker 1: three quarters arms that's great, ten and a quarter hands
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  Speaker 1: really good. Yeah, I mean this is Look, he's Jeremiah Daniel,
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  Speaker 1: Jeremiah's number three overall prospect. So I know on NFL
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  Speaker 1: dot Com, the lands sire Lines does these NFL comparisons,
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  Speaker 1: and if you're familiar with Lance's work, he puts a
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: lot of thought into his company. He doesn't just say
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: like this quarterback reminds me of Peyton Manning and this
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: running back reminds me of like Emmett Smith, Like he
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: really tries hard to find like the right size to
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: mention legitimate, you know, prospect comp and he has Nick
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: Benito as Bailey's prospect comps. So I think that that's
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: pretty promising right there.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so too. Definitely a fan of Bailey's game,
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: and uh, I'm interested to see how he translates that
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: next level. Maybe it will be Nick Benito esque. We'll see. Yeah.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: So, so really, of the guys we've spoke about from
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: an Eagles vantage point, you know, dds would probably be
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: the most likely gettable guy for them because Reese and
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: Resent and Bailey are going to be off the board
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: pretty quickly. You're talking about number three and number four
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: on Jeremiah's top one hundred.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: So I agree with you.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: All right, a couple of guys we have on the
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: list that didn't do anything. And then I don't know
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: much about George Gumms Junior, do you?
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: I don't, But I think you got to talk about
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: the guy right above him first, just because he bronze medaled.
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: I missed that.
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: Okay, gold on the bench.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: And it pretty is impressive by the way, on the bench.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think a lot of it has to
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: do with just his frame, and I don't know. I
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: just worth mentioning his name. Go for it, So, Gabe Jacas.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: So what you didn't mention is that you were hoping
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: I would because you weren't sure how to pronounce that name.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: I was. I was hoping that maybe you would, you
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: would take one for the team.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: Well, unfortunately I'm not familiar as, which is weird because
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: I'm usually good on the big ten guys. But it's
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: either Jacas or Jacis.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's probably Jacas because I said Jacas just
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: probably to be honest with you, that's just how it works.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: And I'm sure we'll get a comment that's like it
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: was Jacos, but that's okay.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: I'm probably like you know, like the Jay is silent.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: But either way, I just think it's worth mentioning him.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: I'm not as familiar with him either, to be honest
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: with you, he's probably a Day three guy.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: Right, I would think so. Again, don't know much about him.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: It's not like he's top fifty on on Jeremiah's list
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: or anything like that. He is a big guy, so
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: that makes sense why he was able to put up
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: thirty in the bench. He's six four two sixty thirty
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: three inch arms, ten inch hands. So he's played a
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: lot of football. I think he played since his freshman
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: year year at Illinois. I think he's one of the
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: rare guys who actually has been at Illinois is entire career,
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: So that's that's that's that's an.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: Easy right up for the scout who doesn't have to
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: go and you know, find like five different schools that
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: the guy played with, so it's.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: Very commonplace in this day and age.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: Right, right, So he would strike me as probably someone
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: who's a power rusher, a bull rusher, probably has to
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: work on some of his you know, hand usage and
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: other things like that to excel at the level. But
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: you know, obviously when you you got to got people
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: look for, especially on on day two in early day three, Sam,
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: they're looking for your rundown defensive ends, your first and
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: second down, and then you hope they develop into a
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: three down line and he would probably qualify there.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: I think that's a really good way to put it
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: for sure. All Right, let's talk about gums now, Yeah,
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: decent athleticism score. You know, he gold medaled in the
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: vertical jump at forty one, which is pretty impressive, and
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: his split wasn't bad. His forty is wasn't bad, his
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: broad was pretty good, and he also silver medaled in
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: the three cone, which again only doesn't mean that much
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: when only two guys did it, so right, right.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: So this is this is a classic case of a
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: guy who always makes me like ponder, like how right?
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: Like when a guy runs a fat everybody trains for
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: the forty. So let's say you have a couple guys
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: on this list who are have good forty times but
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: not great in other stuff. That I don't question that,
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: because every you know, you're just running in a straight line.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: But I've always wondered about the guys who have like
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: modest or average athletic testing in almost every single category,
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: but then they happen to get a medal in one.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: And in this case, Gums just happens to have a
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: really good vertical Yeah, nothing else he does is athletically
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: extremely impressive. It's not bad. I mean he was the
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: I mean we're gonna give him the uh, the silver
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: in the three cone, right because he was right, the
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: only two guys did it.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: But he is impressive. I think that is worth mentioning
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: it is.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: That's my point is that he just knocks one category
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: out of the box.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: Good for him?
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like did you just is that just a natural
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: in hey? And the guy could always just jump high?
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there you go. Yeah, maybe a good
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: basketball player.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: Now you definitely have to consider this guy for the
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: Eagles for one reason alone.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: And what's that Florida? Yeah, there you go.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: How you know, best available Gator when you get into uh,
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: into the certain deeper rounds of the draft.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: There you go.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: Why do you think Damian Pierce is a member of
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: the Eagles.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: You know, that's a good point. That's a really good point.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: I mean they lost AJ Dillon, they had to replace that.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, that is true. I do make that joke. But
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: now that I think about it, I don't think how
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: he has drafted a guy from Florida in a couple
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: of years now. I can't remember the last guy they
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: drafted from Florida.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like blanking on it too.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it can't be McAllister, that like six foot seven
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: d n they want? Oh no, because then there was
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: Joeen Watkins. Here was a Florida guy. But that was
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: still like twenty fifteen fourteen that might have been actually
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: might have been a chip draft. So I have to
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: go back and look. But we always joke with Howie
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: I'm best available.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: Gator McAllister was twenty sixteen watchings.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a long time ago.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: I think those are the last ones actually.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Crazy all right, So we'll move the list on a
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: little bit. Now, here's an interesting guy from Michigan, j
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: Jashawn bar him where at least he participated and maybe
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: this is the example of why you shouldn't. I don't know.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: He just didn't do anything overwhelmingly well in any of
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: the four categories he tested in.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: See you say that just because he didn't meddle. But honestly,
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: I'm I'm pretty content with his broad jump.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: That's a good point.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: I'm pretty content with his split, Like I honestly think
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: he did okay, Like I don't have any issue. Is
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: vertical is a little bit lower than what you would.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: Hope, Yeah, especially compared to gums is forty one.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: I mean that that does bias us a little bit,
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: but like you really just went over thirty five, like
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: that typically is what you're looking for. I know we
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: said that for safety, which is a little bit it's
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: gonna be different, but I think thirty five is like
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: a really clean mark just for understanding. And again this
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: is not a perfect science, but I think thirty five
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: is what you're looking for. It's not that far off.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: But I'm pretty content with his split and his broad jump.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: It's a great point because the one six to one
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: split is not far off from the one five eights
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: that Reese and Howell put forth, which we're gold finishes
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: there and just a little bit from whoever got silver
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: and bronze, So you're right, he's right outside there. So
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: that's a good showing by just Sean. And same thing
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: with the broad at ten oh three, which is not
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: too far from you know what was the silver ten
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: ten ten? Okay, so that's not better than the bronze
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: with ten on nine, So you're right. These show you
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: he has good athletes. He does not have extremely great athleticism,
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: but if you're still a very good.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: Athlete, yeah, he's not an elite athlete, but he's an athlete. Right.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: All right, Let's see who do we want to talk
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: about next. We should talk about Lawrence Melika. We should
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: talk about Keldric Falk.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, that's fair.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: We could do that because he might be one of
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: those guys who is a day to guy. I know,
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: to check who's written about him. He's twenty eighth actually
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: on Daniel Jeremiah's list, And again his score is a
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: little bit weaited. But he didn't do everything, but he
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: he did do some things, so we can get into him.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, his athleticism scores at seventy five overall,
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: and that's mostly weighted by you know, his measurables. But
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: he also did do two of the drills. I mean,
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: his vertical was at thirty five, which is the magic
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: number that I keep for insing. And then his broad
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: was nine oh nine, which is again I kind of
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: like when they're in when they're over ten mm hmm.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: But nine oh nine is not that far off. So
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: I mean, no, not bad.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: And he has good size. He's six six, two seventy six.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: You love six six on the edge, especially at two
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: seventy six. That means he's got some some power. He's
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: probably got some good quickness and speed. Thirty almost thirty
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: five inch arms, hands are It's weird. This has been
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: a weird year. We were talking to Greg Cosel about
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: this with like the offensive lineman, there are a bunch
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: of offensive linemen Sam who are like six six three
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: point thirty have this huge wingspan, like seventy five eighty
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: inch wingspan, but they have small hands. I don't get it.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: Just where everybody's built differently, you know, like this year
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: is like a small hand group happens it does so Yeah,
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: so falk, I think he he gave you what you're
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: looking for, at least as far as baseline athleticism in
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: the two events that he did.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd be okay with those numbers that they don't
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: bother me, don't scare me off.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: Right. Is this logan fan from Utah related to Spencer
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: Fano and the other fane that we.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: Talked about, I don't know.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: It's gotta be right.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: You would think you would think there's.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: Like three fans in this draft. It's like the entire
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: fo family.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: You ready for a really bad joke. Yeah, I don't
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: for know.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: I know his dad, I'm a dad and I.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: Know, but he kind of set me up for it
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: and I made it all right.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: We can pass through the Logan and get to Malchi
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: Lawrence from UCF.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: Very happy with his combine. I'm sure he was very
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: happy with his combine. He meddled in every event that
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: he did. Second highest athleticism score four the forty one
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: nine on the split, which is hair of a second
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: away from being gold. He hits forty from the vertical
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: and ten ten on the broad. I mean, those are
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: excellent numbers all around. That's exactly what you're looking for.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: He killed the combine.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: That and the only thing you'd have to worry about
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: with him, right is is he one of those workout warriors.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's not a guy who's considered a first
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: round pick. I'm trying to get the measurables on him.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: Six four, two fifty three so decent height, weight, a
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: little bit undersized, that's fine. I mean we're used to
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: seeing two fifty on the edges now in the NFL.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah again, under ten inch hans, thirty three and five
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: eighths arms not bad, not highly productive in college as
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: far as he was all big twelve. But ye, it's
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: weird to say a guy from central Florida is all
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: big twelve. Sorry, seven sacks eleven tackles for a loss
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: twelve So I mean so his you know, the year
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: before five sacks, so the production doesn't jump out at you,
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: but he gotta like that six four two fifty kind
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: of size combo with the athleticism. Yeah, Zeroleon's prospect comp
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: was Josh Sweat, So that's pretty interesting.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: Oh, I like that quite a bit. I think he
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: is a guy. The thing when we're talking about workout
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: warriors is I think it's only problematic if it pushes
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: you from like a day three to a day one guy. Right,
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: And this guy was not going to be a Day
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: one guy anyway, correct, So I don't I don't know.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: I kind of really like him as a prospect. I
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: liked him before you said the Josh Sweat comp. I
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: don't know. I think if you take a swing at
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: this guy in day three, you feel really good about it.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, early he'll probably be. Well, it's just like Sweat
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: was a fourth round. I mean, this guy is probably
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: going to be either. If he's not late third, it'll
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: probably be somewhere in the fourth or early fifth.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you feel good about it, honestly.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: Sure? Sure, I mean he can start off if the
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: athleticism is the key for him and he's not the
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: biggest guy and not the best run defender, not the
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: greatest technician. Then you throw him into your three or
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: four person pass rush and you have a DPR kind
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: of guy.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And honestly I would like his fit on the
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: Eagles rotation.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: So all right, we got to talk about Mason Rieger
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: because Wisconsin is not known for always putting out the
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: guys who are gonna meddle athletically. Usually they put out
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: the fundamental lunch pale, you know, middle linebacker and of
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: the Ligneman type. But Mason Rigger did a decent job. Yeah,
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: he did, like even like to your point, even in
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: the categories he didn't meddle in he wasn't.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: Far off, agreed. I mean his forty is not great, Yeah,
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: that was more to split. This split matters way more.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: And the split is really good, Like, that is a
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: great split. He just lost a little bit of steam
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: on the other thirty yards. But his vertical is good.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: His broad is good, actually excellent. I think it's a
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: better way to describe it.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: And that's why partially that he is the bronze medalist
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: or tied for the bronze medalist for athleticism score.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good. This is interesting. So again, I'm not
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: a kid who is going to appear on Daniel Jeremiah's
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: top one hundred, so you're talking about a day two,
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: day three guy. But there's a good baseline amount of eth.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: This is kind of like what do the Eagles look
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: for right on these Day two or day three, Like
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: guys who have a good combination of athleticism and can
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: help you out as a rotational player and then hopefully
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: they get the coached up into becoming a potential starter
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: down the road.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think they're just you would call them high
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: upside guys. Yes, and you're right, that's exactly what the
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: Eagles typically look for, especially later in the draft.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: So awesome. Now interesting the bottom of the list as
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: we get to here, and this is again for people
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: listening or watching, the bottom of the list just means
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: that they're in alphabetical just have last names that past
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: past h. But the our first names, I mean, there
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: we see a lot more athletic testing here from this group.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, there's definitely a couple of guys worth mentioning.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: But I think we should go right to Romelo height
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: h the other Texas Tech Edge Rusher. Great name, by
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: the way, right, it's a very pro sports game. I
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: don't know, but good forty, good split, good vertical and
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: good broad I mean really solid testing overall highest athleticism
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: score on this after Rager, So definitely worth mentioning, just
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: the even in passing. I think he's worth mentioning. But
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: I know everyone wants to talk about the guy underneath him.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, real quick though on Romelo height and this is
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: what we were just talking six three tooth thirty nine,
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: like very very light on the edge.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: So yeah, interesting, But Rubin Bain is the next guy.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: All the Miami guys just basically sat on their amazing season.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: And do you blame them honestly? Yeah? No, yeah no.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: Now here's the thing. His athleticism score is based just
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: solely on his measurables, and he's not great, right right,
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: And he's at seventy two. Had he tested, I'm telling
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: you this right now, he might be a silver or
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: bronze medalist and it's only because of his measurables that
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: he wouldn't be gold. There's a reason why he's the
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: number one projected edg Rusher. I forget was his hands
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: or was it arms? The issue or was it both.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: I think it's the arms. I'll let you know in
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: one second.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: But that hurt him for sure.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, his whole build is by the way, for those
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: who may not have seen him plays, he's like kind
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: of like a real compact, squarely built guy, you know,
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: Like he's not your typical law like nowadays Ed Rusher.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: You tend to see more length, long arms type of guys,
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: you know, but he's a little bit of a throwback.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: I would say, yeah, I think so too. But there
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: he is going to be drafted very highly and for
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: a very good reason.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: Hey, if you're like me, you're desensitized to the dozens
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: of notifications on your phone every day. But if that
• 34:27
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  Speaker 1: I mean this is Jeremiah's seventh overall rated prospect. But
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  Speaker 1: to the point you were making, Sam six to two
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  Speaker 1: is really short for the edges. Yeah, but the two
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  Speaker 1: sixty three man, how often you see a guy who's
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  Speaker 1: six foot two, two hundred and sixty three pounds right
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  Speaker 1: like that. That's what makes him a little bit of
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: a of a little bit of diffluent of an athletic evaluation.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, he's clearly a really productive player. And I'm
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  Speaker 1: sure he's a good athlete.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally agreed, But you're right, that combination is
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  Speaker 2: somewhat rare. I mean we saw a couple of other
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: guys were like six four, two thirty to forty, right,
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  Speaker 2: So you're right.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: You're usually like, you know, if you're gonna if you
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: weigh if you're an edge rusher who weighs in the
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: I want to say, two sixties, you're usually about six'. Five.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah so. Totally but he he.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: Was he was great At. Miami he was fun to watch.
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  Speaker 2: Too he was very fun to.
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  Speaker 1: Watch, YEAH i mean he Gave ackles a hard, time, Man.
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah he, did and he probably will at THE nfl level.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: Too. Yeah sometimes that lack of height can help you
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: with your bend and getting under certain. Blocks but he's really.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: Not it's not like he's known for just being twitchy and.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: Bendy he's a really powerful.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: Player, yeah and that shows up differently in the fletic,
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: Testing like if he would have, tested it would have
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: showed up in some different areas than you, know what
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: we were looking for. Earlier so right.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: Right, now T. J, parker next guy From, clemson is
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: sort of in that mold Of, yeah he did four,
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: things and some of the stuff he probably doesn't. LOVE
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: i don't think the four to six eight is too
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: bad in the forty the one six to. One as
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: we're talking about the, SPLIT i, love it's a great.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: Split is one point one off from being a, medallist
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: AND i like.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: His BROAD i don't mind his. VERTICAL i would, say.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, YEAH i, mean if you're judging an edge rusher
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: by their, vertical which is probably why a lot of
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: guys didn't decide not to do, IT i mean that's
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: not usually where they get their their biggest evaluation athletically From.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: No for, sure for, sure and that's very much worth.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: Mentioning So i'm glad he. Did.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: YEAH i was trying to get some height weight on,
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: him Which i'll do in a. Second, again not like
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: considered a first round. Guy six four two sixty three, Cool,
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: yeah just under. Ten he's nine and a half inch, hands,
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: fine thirty third thirty three and an eight. Arms so,
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: yeah he's he's going to be a guy who gets,
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: drafted and the fact that he's got some decent athleticism
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: will help.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: Him. Yeah, Absolutely tray more From. Texas, yeah also meddled
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: in two. Things he had a good forty yard, dash
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: a great, split a really good vertical and a really
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: good Broad, yeah you feel really good about the.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: Testing, Yeah i'm almost wondering how he managed only a seventy.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: Five so he must have not ideal measurables.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: That would make sense to.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: Me let's find, out because you, know it doesn't take
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: much on this list to get into the top, three
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: because how many people didn't do. Stuff so tray, more
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: he's probably on the on the lighter side and shorter.
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  Speaker 2: Side i'm gonna IMAGINE i would think you're.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: Right sixty, Three, yeah sixty, two he's the. Same is
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: that What Ruby?
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  Speaker 2: Bain, yeah that was the Same Ruby bin has twenty
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: pounds on him.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: Exactly Now moore has ten and a half inch, hands
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: pretty good for a guy six to. Two, yeah not
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: bad at, all good hand. Size what was his? Arms
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: his arm length was through, okay thirty one and five.
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  Speaker 1: Eighths that's. Boy so this is the opposite of what was.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: Thought this is like kind of like a short arm
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: time with big, hands a long armed guy with with little.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: Hands everyone's built. Differently we've got a very interesting and diverse.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: Build set for the. Pressures he was.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: Tough Because zeroline didn't even have a prospect for flying good, come, yeah,
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: well who's built like?
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: That you, know very few people for.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: Sure let's say five tackles for lost three, sacks so
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: production also not helping him too much in the year,
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: before nine and a half tackles for lost five and
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: a half. Sacks so you, know it's one of those
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: guys that you take a flyer on later in the.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: Draft all, Right so we'll finish it out with the
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: Two duke kids they. TESTED i wouldn't say that there
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: is anything that blows you. AWAY i would Say Wesley
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: williams had a pretty good uh would you would you
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: call that a decent?
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: Vertical?
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah thirty, five that's what you. Said AND i
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: call that.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: Decent both their BROAD dc.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah uh oh, yeah that ten ten oh. Three, yeah
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: that's not. BAD i mean they're their forties and splits
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: are just, okay, RIGHT i Mean, DUKE i don't remember
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: what kind of year THEY i guess they played For
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: Manny diaz, though so you know they got to have
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: some kind of good defensive backbone to, them.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: Right of, course you, would you would think for.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: Sure So so that's the. List it's an interesting, List
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: like you, said very top. Heavy the guys you tested
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: through the roof are going to be guys who go
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: in the top. Ten BUT i thought we saw maybe
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: like a good decent amount of round, two round, three
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: might round four guys that if The eagles wanted to
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: just pad their pass rush and find some athletic, upside
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: we're pretty.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: Good, yeah despite it being top, heavy there is value
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: in the later, rounds.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: Right so good. Stuff all. Right that is our look
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: at the athletic testing from edges in this year's combined
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: and getting ready for this year's twenty twenty SIX Nfl.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: Draft next time you hear it from, us what.
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: Position do we do receivers?
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  Speaker 1: Next love, it that's always a popular. One we will
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: do receivers.
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  Speaker 2: Next all.
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