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11-10-26 Hour 1 - Nuggets fall to the Rockets/NFL Trade Deadline TODAY/NCAA ignoring their fanbase · Moser, Lombardi and Kane

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  Speaker 2: Shen Goon back on top over to Van Vliet. Van
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  Speaker 2: Vliet takes a three. Ouch.
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  Speaker 3: That one hurt. Nine-point lead for Houston. Bagley the other way.
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  Speaker 2: Leads in.
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  Speaker 3: Layup blocked by Shen Goon. Like, honestly, folks, if Houston
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  Speaker 3: makes one more basket, it's over. Shen Goon has it
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  Speaker 3: at the point. Now he dribbles inside the arc on Jokic.
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  Speaker 1: A little fadeaway.
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  Speaker 2: Good.
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  Speaker 3: That might be it. Denver down by 10 with 90
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  Speaker 3: seconds left to go in the basketball game. Nuggets made
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  Speaker 3: it interesting but lose this basketball game in Houston. Final
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  Speaker 3: tonight for the Toyota Center. Rockets 110, Denver 100.
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  Speaker 4: The Nuggets lose. I think we all understand the circumstances
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  Speaker 4: surrounding that game, meaning tough travel, and maybe they were
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  Speaker 4: due for a clunker because of that, playing against a
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  Speaker 4: good team. The Rockets 8-3 now on the year. There's
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  Speaker 4: a problem, though, and the problem is this. You can't
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  Speaker 4: win a basketball game if only two guys show up.
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  Speaker 4: And it was the Jamal and Joker show yesterday with
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  Speaker 4: nobody else kind of running with them. Nobody else in
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  Speaker 4: double-digit points. Yesterday. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Kind of reminds me of our program, our program yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: You can't, you can't do a good show when only
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  Speaker 2: one dude shows up. Okay. I showed up and showed
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  Speaker 2: out for an hour yesterday. Same kind of story.
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  Speaker 4: It was terrible.
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  Speaker 2: You're right though. Keener, um, that game on the way out.
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  Speaker 2: It's so frustrating. And Vic, that's two in a row
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  Speaker 2: now for AG and I'm not panicky or anything like that,
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  Speaker 2: but I don't like that trend. I don't like it.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to see more of it.
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  Speaker 1: I have a lot to say about the game. Your
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  Speaker 1: hair looks a lot better today, so you've got me
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  Speaker 1: in a better mood. You don't have me immediately angry.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, sure.
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  Speaker 1: But here's the deal, guys. What I don't want to hear,
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  Speaker 1: because we're going to hear it, and already it's coming out. Well,
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  Speaker 1: you know, that travel schedule made it tough. It made
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  Speaker 1: it tough, and it really affected the guys.
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  Speaker 2: I get it.
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  Speaker 1: I get it. It's tough. But that argument doesn't work
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  Speaker 1: when two of the guys played their asses off.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So if two of the guys can handle the travel schedule,
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  Speaker 1: if the two all-stars came to play, which they did,
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  Speaker 1: that negates any excuse for everybody else.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you.
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  Speaker 4: You have only two guys in double-digit scoring. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: nobody even attempted more than eight shots outside of Joker
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  Speaker 4: and Jamal.
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  Speaker 1: And that's just it. It's not the production. It's the attempts.
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  Speaker 1: And David Adelman said this a week ago after they
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  Speaker 1: lost Portland. He said, we have to get these guys
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  Speaker 1: taking shots. They're waiting and waiting and working the ball, overpassing.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know why. And I wonder. I asked this
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  Speaker 1: to Jason Richardson last night. I just wonder if it's
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  Speaker 1: a product of playing in this system and relying too
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  Speaker 1: much on Joker and Jamal and just assuming that they're
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  Speaker 1: going to rescue you because that's what happened last night
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  Speaker 1: on a couple of occasions is the ball would be
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  Speaker 1: worked around in a half court setting and then they
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  Speaker 1: would throw Jamal the grenade.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: But that hasn't been, why would that this season be
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  Speaker 4: different than seasons in the past?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know where the, why they're
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  Speaker 1: not aggressive anymore. I don't see, I see a lot
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  Speaker 1: of walking. This much is true, and I hate to
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  Speaker 1: say this, I hate it. I hate to say this
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  Speaker 1: a month in, but the big three is now the
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  Speaker 1: big two.
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  Speaker 2: They don't have a big three.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, I wanted to talk about this. Can I make
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  Speaker 4: two comparisons, please, with Aaron Gordon? The first one is,
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  Speaker 4: AG feels a lot like J.K. Dobbins to me. from
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  Speaker 4: last year in the sense that when J.K. Dobbins was
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  Speaker 4: out of the lineup, you were missing a very key
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  Speaker 4: piece of what made things go. And so that's happening
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  Speaker 4: with him. I'm now at a more concerned level where
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  Speaker 4: I think you were gone this day, Vic, but I
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  Speaker 4: made a comparison with Aaron Gordon to another guy. Aaron
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  Speaker 4: Gordon's career for the most part has been high-flying, dunk guy,
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  Speaker 4: play physically, bigger than everybody else. And then as his
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  Speaker 4: career has gone on, he's begun to age. He wants
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  Speaker 4: to sort of reinvent himself by shooting threes more and
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  Speaker 4: getting better in that department. There's a guy that has
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  Speaker 4: an eerily similar type of career to what Aaron Gordon has.
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  Speaker 4: It's Blake Griffin. And when Blake Griffin, his game disappeared,
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  Speaker 4: it went in a hurry. He hit about 29, 30
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  Speaker 4: years old. He was still playing at a pretty high level.
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  Speaker 4: And he was out of the out of the league
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  Speaker 4: three years later. And I'm very concerned about Aaron Gordon
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  Speaker 4: right now because he doesn't he doesn't look remotely the same.
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  Speaker 2: Such a good point, Cater. And we talk about maybe
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  Speaker 2: not age, but mileage. And you've got to consider a
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  Speaker 2: guy like Aaron Gordon, the mileage. Let's say you have
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  Speaker 2: a Toyota Camry should run for 250,000 miles. No problem.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe. I mean, more than that. But if you've got 80,000
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  Speaker 2: miles on your Camry, but your road is an unpaved
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  Speaker 2: road all day in the mountains, and it's washboard, right?
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  Speaker 2: All the time you go to and from home, things
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  Speaker 2: are going to wear out quicker. Struts are going to
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  Speaker 2: be gone, right? The undercarriage is going to get jacked up.
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  Speaker 2: And with Aaron Gordon flying so much in his 20s,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, so many hard landings on those body tissues, Vic,
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  Speaker 2: it makes me wonder. I mean, he's played well. in
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  Speaker 2: his career. He's flown through the air a ton. But
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  Speaker 2: does that catch up with you? That's my question.
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  Speaker 1: I don't have an answer for what is ailing him.
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  Speaker 1: I just don't have the answer. But last night, when
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  Speaker 1: the other three starters, Cam, AG, and CB, when they
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  Speaker 1: can't even get into double digits, you're not going to win.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You're not. They combined for 15 points, the three of them.
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  Speaker 1: You're not going to win.
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  Speaker 4: Well, here's the other thing that I've noticed a theme
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  Speaker 4: in games like this, and it has to do with
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  Speaker 4: extra possessions. When the Nuggets get out-rebounded, they typically lose. Like,
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  Speaker 4: they allowed 15 offensive rebounds last night, and in a
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  Speaker 4: game in which you lost by 10, eight extra possessions
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  Speaker 4: were given to the Rockets. I don't think they're good
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  Speaker 4: enough to allow that. If you're somebody like A.G. or
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  Speaker 4: you're Cam Johnson or you're Christian Brown or you're one
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  Speaker 4: of these guys off the bench, if you aren't making shots,
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  Speaker 4: if you aren't attempting shots, then your ass better be
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  Speaker 4: on the backboard, making sure you're boxing out, not giving
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  Speaker 4: up extra possessions. They just aren't good enough for it.
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  Speaker 4: It's why it was weird. Katie in the postgame asked
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  Speaker 4: Joker about it.
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  Speaker 2: I know.
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  Speaker 4: And this was Joker's response. How do you be better
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  Speaker 4: at limiting their offensive rebounds?
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  Speaker 2: Come on. Come on, please.
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  Speaker 4: What did that mean? Why was he, like, miffed at that?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know the answer to that question because I
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  Speaker 1: talked about it after we ran it. I said, that
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  Speaker 1: was wild. I don't know what... It's a very basic question.
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  Speaker 1: I'm too close to the situation. I'm too close.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I need listeners... Let me see if I can
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  Speaker 2: decipher this.
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  Speaker 1: Can I just offer my observation?
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  Speaker 2: Please, please.
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  Speaker 1: I live in those locker rooms. I ask a lot
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  Speaker 1: of questions. To me, that was a very harmless.
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  Speaker 4: I don't see the factual question.
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  Speaker 1: Why aren't you? Why isn't the team getting offensive or
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  Speaker 1: defensive rebounds? I get used to. He boarded last night.
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  Speaker 1: He had 16 of them.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. He had 14 defensive rebounds last night. I think he's...
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  Speaker 2: My only... He's Marky Mark in the departed. He's Mark
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  Speaker 2: Wahlberg in the departed. Nick, I'm the guy doing my job.
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  Speaker 2: You must be the other guy. I just don't think
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  Speaker 2: he wants... He doesn't even... Because it's a question that
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  Speaker 2: if he answers it truthfully, it's going to be, hey,
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  Speaker 2: I just pulled down 16 boards, 14 of those defensively,
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  Speaker 2: and this guy's got two, and this guy's got two,
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  Speaker 2: and this guy's got three. I think, yeah. I'm the
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  Speaker 2: guy doing his job.
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  Speaker 1: You must be the other guy.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, I love that movie. Love that scene, too.
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  Speaker 2: That's what it is to me. And he's like, please, Katie, don't,
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  Speaker 2: you know, look, we all know the answer. These guys
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  Speaker 2: ain't bored. These guys are sleepwalking. And me and Jamal
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  Speaker 2: are out here busting our humps and we're not getting
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  Speaker 2: any reward for it.
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  Speaker 1: I think you're right. And I think that's his way
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  Speaker 1: of sending a message that please don't let me go
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  Speaker 1: into this. Don't let me delve into it because I
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  Speaker 1: want to protect my teammates.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 4: So the only loss in which you weren't out rebounded
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  Speaker 4: was the Oklahoma City game. Here's just some numbers from
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  Speaker 4: the other losses this year. The 20-point loss to Golden State,
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  Speaker 4: you were out-rebounded 45-32. You gave up 13 offensive rebounds.
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  Speaker 4: In the Blazers game, where you lost 118-110, you were
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  Speaker 4: out-rebounded 53-37, and you gave up 21 offensive rebounds. And
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  Speaker 4: in this loss to the Rockets, you were out-rebounded 51-39,
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  Speaker 4: and you gave up 15 offensive rebounds.
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  Speaker 1: Can I say this? In that category is where they miss.
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  Speaker 1: Michael Porter Jr.
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  Speaker 2: The most.
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  Speaker 1: Because one thing Michael did, first of all, he scored.
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  Speaker 1: He was a walking bucket.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. He boarded, man. Yes, he did.
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  Speaker 1: He's a 6'10 body who boarded. If the ball's in
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  Speaker 1: the air, he was going to get it. He boarded.
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  Speaker 1: And they are not getting rebounds.
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  Speaker 4: Well, Cam Johnson's not tiny.
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  Speaker 1: Get some boards.
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  Speaker 4: You know what I mean? He had what? What did
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  Speaker 4: he have in that game?
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  Speaker 1: Let's take a look at the numbers.
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  Speaker 4: He had two rebounds. Cam Johnson had two rebounds.
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  Speaker 2: To me, the rebounding and defensive structure side, it's all
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  Speaker 2: about will. It's about sheer will and determination and want to.
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  Speaker 2: That's it. If you ask Dennis Rodman why he got
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  Speaker 2: so many rebounds, you know what he'd tell you? Because
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  Speaker 2: I wanted to go get rebounds. I had a desire
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  Speaker 2: to do it. Because I hungered for rebounds. He worked
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  Speaker 2: at it, man. He worked his butt off to become,
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  Speaker 2: at the time, the best rebounder in the dang game.
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  Speaker 2: You gotta want it, because it's not always an easy,
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  Speaker 2: fun thing to do. I'm sure a lot of guys
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  Speaker 2: like the ball just to bounce off the iron right
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  Speaker 2: to their little hands, and they're like, oh, yay, look
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  Speaker 2: what I got. You gotta go get balls, man. You
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  Speaker 2: gotta go get it.
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  Speaker 1: That was a tough game to watch last night, if
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  Speaker 1: If you're trying to make the case that this is
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  Speaker 1: still a well-rounded team, and I don't think it is,
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  Speaker 1: last night they battled back. They were down 19. And
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  Speaker 1: I said, okay, here they come. And Jamal and Joker
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  Speaker 1: brought them back in the game.
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: 19 down, they tied it at 60 apiece. Houston calls
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  Speaker 1: a timeout. Still a lot of game to go. It's
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  Speaker 1: third quarter. They battle all the way back. And what
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  Speaker 1: happens after that timeout at 60-60? Three straight turnovers, two
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  Speaker 1: of them by A.G.
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: Game got out of hand again. I mean, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know what's going on, man, but it don't look good there.
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  Speaker 4: Here's the other problem. Have you guys seen the rest
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  Speaker 4: of the conference?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they keep winning.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, everybody keeps winning.
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  Speaker 4: By the way, the Warriors have now won, what, eight
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  Speaker 4: in a row? Golden State's won eight straight.
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  Speaker 2: This Lindenborg kid.
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  Speaker 4: San Antonio's won nine straight.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, these guys can play, man.
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  Speaker 4: Like, the conference, the leader in the conference is who?
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  Speaker 4: Who is it?
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  Speaker 2: It's the Lakers.
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  Speaker 1: The Lakers are 10-2. They've won six in a row.
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  Speaker 1: And Luka's averaging 40 a night.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, you are in the thick of a very,
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  Speaker 4: very tough conference in which it doesn't feel like that's
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  Speaker 4: what they're doing right now is not winning basketball.
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  Speaker 2: Well, let's just call it like it is, Brett. And
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  Speaker 2: this is where they are. And this is probably where
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  Speaker 2: they're going to be. And we just have to accept
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  Speaker 2: it in this year of the pandemic. Take a step back.
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  Speaker 2: They're a play-in team. That's what they are. They behave
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  Speaker 2: like a play-in team. They look like a play-in team.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes they can win big and their stars get off.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes they just lay down and can't get the job done.
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  Speaker 2: That's a play-in team that's bounced into play-in. That's what
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  Speaker 2: that is. And we may have to accept that fate.
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  Speaker 4: If this is what they're going to do, again... I
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  Speaker 4: think there just needs to be a willingness of two things.
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  Speaker 4: People have to attempt shots, number one. They have to
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  Speaker 4: attempt shots. And number two, if your offense is not
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  Speaker 4: working that night, that's fine.
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  Speaker 2: That happens.
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  Speaker 4: Make up for it in another area. Make up for
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  Speaker 4: it on the boards. Make up for it defensively. Make
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  Speaker 4: up for it in other things that you can do
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  Speaker 4: to help. It just feels like there wasn't a willingness
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  Speaker 4: from a lot of guys. What's the term that Bednar used? Passengers.
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  Speaker 4: There was a bunch of passengers last night. A bunch
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  Speaker 4: of them. And they just looked at Jamal and Joker
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  Speaker 4: and said, yeah, you guys got it. You know, Joker
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  Speaker 4: after the game was talking about the starters deciding to
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  Speaker 4: play because it does sound like David Adelman shot him
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  Speaker 4: a text and said, basically, if you guys want to
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  Speaker 4: take this night off, let me know. But here's what
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  Speaker 4: he said.
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  Speaker 5: He was telling us that, you know, he was kind
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  Speaker 5: of trying to check with you guys last night about
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  Speaker 5: just where you were at mentally and physically after all
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  Speaker 5: the travel stuff that you guys had. went through what
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  Speaker 5: made you guys kind of as a group of players
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  Speaker 5: want to play tonight.
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  Speaker 2: After all that?
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  Speaker 4: We are getting paid to play, and I think there
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  Speaker 4: is no question.
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  Speaker 1: I'm so glad he answered it that way. I'm so glad.
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  Speaker 1: I was like sitting back as I heard that question.
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  Speaker 2: What?
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  Speaker 1: I get it.
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  Speaker 2: I get it.
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  Speaker 1: The travel schedule is hard.
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  Speaker 2: I get it.
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  Speaker 1: They got screwed. They got the Scrooge in Mexico City.
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  Speaker 1: They lost a full day of travel. They stayed on
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  Speaker 1: the plane for eight hours. The plane could not move.
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  Speaker 1: They sent a message to the NBA by listing everybody
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  Speaker 1: as questionable. Message sent. The NBA shouldn't schedule an international
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  Speaker 1: game the first game of a road trip.
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  Speaker 2: Dumb.
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  Speaker 1: NBA made a mistake scheduling.
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  Speaker 2: I get it.
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  Speaker 1: But not playing? You got to Houston the day before.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. What? What world do we live in?
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  Speaker 4: I don't know. I'm glad I answered it that way.
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  Speaker 1: What world do we live in where just the thought
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  Speaker 1: of not playing, like the thought of sending up a
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  Speaker 1: surrender flag just to send a message.
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  Speaker 2: What is this?
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  Speaker 4: Well, there was, you know what? I can't remember who
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  Speaker 4: the quarterback was. There was a quarterback, though, was the
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  Speaker 4: final week of the NFL season. They had nothing to
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  Speaker 4: play for. They're out of the playoffs. He was like
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  Speaker 4: a veteran starter. And they said, are you going to
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  Speaker 4: play in the final game?
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  Speaker 2: And he goes, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And they said, why? Because I'm the quarterback of the
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  Speaker 4: team and we play on Sundays. That's why I'm playing. Like,
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  Speaker 4: that's Joker's answer. It's, yes, I'm playing. I'm a professional.
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  Speaker 4: I get paid to do this. This is my job.
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  Speaker 2: It is your job. That's what you get paid to do.
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  Speaker 2: That is your thang. Thang.
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  Speaker 4: So, we'll get back to this as we go along.
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  Speaker 2: 303-504-0925.
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  Speaker 4: Today is the trade deadline. If no news comes.
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  Speaker 4: What's the reaction going to be? We'll get to it next.
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  Speaker 4: The Avs are on their Canadian road trips. Don't be
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  Speaker 4: surprised if Jared Bednar starts ending every sentence with a,
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  Speaker 4: what is Kevin doing to me here? Uh, catch the
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  Speaker 4: Avs head coach tomorrow morning at eight with Moshe Lombardi
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  Speaker 4: and Kane powered by Mr. Reuter proudly rooting for Colorado
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  Speaker 4: students and athletes.
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  Speaker 2: Um, what?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, the read.
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  Speaker 4: I just, just tell me, just say Bednar's coming on tomorrow.
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  Speaker 4: I can take it from there. Don't you worry about it. Um, So,
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  Speaker 4: today at 2 o'clock is the trade deadline. I am
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: not going to be happy if I get a whole,
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: if I get the Nathan Fielder treatment. If they say,
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: I hope you're ready for nothing. Like, if they do
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: that to me, I'm going to be pretty upset.
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: I am told by good sources, quality, impeccable sources, they
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: have made several inquiries about Jonathan Taylor. They continue to
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: make inquiries about Jonathan Taylor. But the asking price is
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: so high right now that it's just stuck in neutral.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: It's not going anywhere. And that applies for every team
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: making inquiries for Jonathan Taylor.
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: I think that the Colts are playing a big game
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: of chicken right now.
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: Like, I don't see any scenario in which Jonathan Taylor
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: is still on that roster after 2 o'clock today. And
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: here's why. Feasibly, could they keep him to the end
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: of the year, try and trade him in the offseason?
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: Yes. Yes.
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: Have you guys seen the way that Jonathan Taylor is speaking?
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: Does that sound like somebody you want around for another
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: eight weeks?
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: I think he thinks he's gone. Basically, he's speaking like
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: a guy who's adios amigos. I'll see you in greener pastures.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: I'll see you someplace else. That's kind of the vibe
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: he's been putting out for quite a while now. And
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: there's a Colts fan in our crew, Travis. Haunted every round.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: Wonderful director. Big Colts fan. What's she doing with that
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: notepad and headset? He's like, what are we doing? I
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: think Colts fans just want to get it over with.
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: They know they stink. They know they're going to have
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: to go into full rebuild. So they just want it done.
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, if he's still there by the end of
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: the day, I think, well, he's our guy, but they're
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: not helping our football team by keeping him.
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: And back-to-back tacks are... Basically, two people calling me a
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: child for just saying I want the flashy thing. I
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: don't think you guys understand.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: Football.
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: Let me explain this to you for a second.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: Did you just go full Lombardi on these people?
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: Let me just, I'll dumb it down for you just
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: so you can understand it then. There's no mortgaging the future,
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: number one. Somebody says, why mortgage the future for a
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: worn-out back? What mortgaging are you talking about? You gave
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: away a couple of picks. Big deal. And they aren't first-rounders, okay?
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: If somebody says, I want Jonathan Taylor, a first-rounder for him,
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: I would do what the Broncos are doing and say, no.
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: How about no to that answer? If you want to
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: take a third or a second or a fifth, go ahead.
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: By all means, go ahead and do that because I'll
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: get a better running back room. Secondly, here's how football works.
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: You don't have a running game currently. Last year, you
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: thought you had a running game. And then that running
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: back got hurt. And then the playoffs started. And then
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: what happened, guys? Turns out you had no running game.
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: And you know where you really needed one? In the snow.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: In the playoffs.
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: In the playoffs. The game before the Super Bowl. I
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: don't want to be stuck in that position again. You
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: might really like Jonah Coleman, but if Jonah Coleman goes
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: down with an ankle injury in the playoffs, what's your
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: next move? Is it going to be Cody Schrader? You're
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: cool with that? Because I'm not. That's why I want
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: to move Bing May. I want it to add depth
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: to your room.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: That's what I want.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: I think their main priority right now, from what I've gathered,
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: is a tight end. That's what they're looking for first
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: and foremost, which I'm not surprised by that, but You know,
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: didn't we all see this coming? I mean, that there's
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: no dynamic tight end on the roster. This is not...
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: Are you surprised by that? Are you surprised they're looking
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: for a tight end?
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: It depends.
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: Like, I'm trying to figure out what kind of tight
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: end are they looking for? Trey McBride? Sure, that makes
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: a lot of sense. I'd make a call about Trey McBride, too.
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: But are you just going to get another Evan Ingram?
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: Or what? Somebody... He sent me a message on the
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: old X machine. He said, Trey McBride. I said, dude,
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: they're not trading Trey McBride, okay? You're not just going
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: to go walk out there and get one of the
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: very best, if not the best, tied into the game
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: right now. It just ain't going to happen. But, I mean,
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: if you want to look at the– Philadelphia seems to
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: be selling off pretty well right now. How about their–
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: How about their tight end, Goddard? How about that guy?
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: I think that's one of the guys that they're probably
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: calling about.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: Okay. So basically, they're looking at guys who can be had.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: I mean, look, I just think that this whole McBride
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: thing is the longest of long shots in the history
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: of long shots. I don't think it's a real possibility.
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: It's not.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: So then let's get off of that and let's get
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: down to some reality here and what they could possibly do.
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: No, Moe, what I was asking was, you know, Vic said,
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: are you surprised that they're looking after a tight end?
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: And I.
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: I guess not really, but what kind of tight end
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: are they looking to get? Like Dallas Goddard. Let's just
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: say that that's the guy, okay? Philly's selling off some pieces.
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: It's not like Dallas Goddard is, you know, a massive,
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: massive name. But so far this year, he has what?
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: 31 catches for 308 yards. Last year, he had 60
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: catches for 591. And he had 11 touchdowns. Maybe that's it.
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: You're looking for more of a red zone threat. Evan
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: Ingram isn't big enough sort of thing. You know, Goddard
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: is 6'5, 260 pounds, big body. What I'm getting at is,
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: is that the type of guy they're looking for? Have
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: they decided that Evan Ingram is too small and not
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: good enough of a blocker to consistently play? Because I've
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: noticed the snap counts have gone to Adam Troutman.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: Well, it is predictable because when he's in the game,
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: he's not going to block. It's a predictable nature that
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: comes with him.
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: So if they make that move, I'm all for it.
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: I'm totally down with the Dallas Goddard. You want to
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: get somebody in here that's more of a two-way tight end,
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: block a little bit, catch the ball, become a red
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: zone threat, cool. I'm down with it. But I've been
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: on the running back thing because I just think it's
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: too important. Especially with Moj. Is quarterback play great for
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: the Broncos this year?
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: No.
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: So wouldn't you want to add a little bit to
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: the guys behind them to maybe help?
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: I would. Yeah. Good call, Brett. Thank you. That's A
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: to B right there, man. You're amazing.
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: Set them up, knock them down.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: You're an unbelievable line drawer. Quarterback's not playing that great.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: Could we get some help in the running game? Bing!
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: That sounds... They're also... Let me make the other case.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: And I look around and I see what you're seeing.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: The Jaguars are making... They're making moves to try and contend.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: Are they not? The Jaguars are going all in. They're
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: going big. They're going all in in this, Ma. Okay, so...
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: I'm not worried about Pittsburgh. I'm not really worried about
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: New England or Cincy even right now. But I am
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: worried about the Jags, whom you've already beaten, and I'm
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: worried about those Buffalo Bills who continue with one loss
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: on the season. And I just think that if you
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: want to talk arms race, you want to build up, Brett,
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: I completely see what you're saying. Right now they're still
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: winning games. Yeah. So if you say, well, I need
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: this and I need that, then you're saying basically that
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: you don't think it's going to hold up the way
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: they're winning. these 16 one-score games and so on, you
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: don't think that that is a recipe for long-term success? Nope.
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: I want insurance. This has nothing to do with currently
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: if they can win games or not. They can. That's obvious.
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: They've proven that. This is about when you get into
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: the playoffs, if somebody goes down, are you screwed? That's
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: what I don't want. And from what I've seen of J.K. Dobbins,
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: that's not a good backup plan to Jonah Coleman right now.
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: He just doesn't seem to have it anymore. Now, what
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: is interesting... Could the Broncos in some way become a
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: seller today in this sense? I watched Minnesota try and
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: play offense last night, attempt to. That ain't lasting. That
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: team's 6-2 still with the best defense in the league.
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: You bet your bottom dollar. They're on the phone calling
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: every team in the league saying, do you have something
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: at quarterback, please, something?
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: Maybe they should call the old Giants about J.J.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: McCarthy. Well, Moj, Moj.
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: Schefter told us yesterday that the Broncos have received calls
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: about Stidham. Obviously not pulled the trigger on anything.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, of course they'd receive calls, whether or not they're
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: going to do something about it.
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: Minnesota. I've never quite seen a team that's like that,
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: where their defense is so good, so good, that their
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: offense has a quarterback who went 8 of 25 for
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: 80 yards and two picks, and you're like, I still
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: think they can win this game somehow. But that is
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: so bad. There is no way they can continue with that.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: No way.
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: They're done with Kyler. They're done with Carson Wentz. Who
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: was that guy who came in at the end of
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: the game? Shout out Max Brosner. Max Brosner. So they
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: guaranteed they have to be looking for something.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't know Max Brosner if he was sitting at
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: my dinner table. I'm sorry. I wouldn't.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: He sounds like an actor. Like that name, Max Brosner.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: That's a modern day actor. who does a lot of
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: Hallmark shows. Well, he's in Minnesota. He played at Minnesota.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: He's playing for the Vikings. He's just Brosmer. That's what
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: he is, Brosmer.
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: But I have this sneaky feeling that I am going
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: to be disappointed today. I just haven't. Again, if you
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: guys missed it, this is what Schefter said to us yesterday.
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: The Broncos are going to be active in making phone calls.
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: Do you think it's more likely that those calls would
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: result in a tight end or a running back?
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: Tight end right now. But I think it could be
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: a safety, too.
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: The fact that he threw out the safety thing makes
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: me think they're getting a backup safety somewhere. And I
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: looked it up. You know, Hufanga, I had concerns that
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: maybe this has to do with Brandon Jones and that
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: hamstring being worse than maybe they thought initially. I don't
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: think that's the case. Hufanga's coming back after the bye.
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: He was already practicing this last week. Brandon Jones, if
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: you remember, he tweaked his hamstring, played the first half
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: of the Chiefs game only to exit at half and
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: not return. by tweaking it again. But he's been out
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: now for a couple of weeks, gets the bye week afterwards.
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: Sean Payton's still hopeful that he can return to the lineup.
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: But if there's one thing that's guaranteed, I mean, Schefter
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: just kind of threw that out of nowhere, right?
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: That means it's happening. He'll probably get a backup safety somewhere.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: He wouldn't specifically mention a position if he didn't have
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: some intel that the Broncos are sniffing hard around a safety. Period.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: End of story. Right. So, I mean, here we are, Brett, again,
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: but they're one of the three best teams in the
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: entire AFC as we sit here today. And they continue
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: to find a way to get it done. If you
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: want to sit here and say, well, that's not long-term sustainable,
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: that eventually, you know, you go back to my Newton's
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: Third Law, which you hated yesterday. I thought it was
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: really good. You know, I try to get all scientific
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: on you guys. It stunk. Your eyes just glaze over
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: like you're, I don't do no school. An equal and
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: opposite reaction. Oh my God, he's still going. He's still going.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: An equal and opposite reaction, which means eventually that tide
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: has to turn. Eventually. I don't think so. Unless you
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: think they're going to win every one score game between
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: now and the end of time.
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: Here's the thing, though. In the sense of... My desire
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: for the Broncos to make a move is not tied
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: into whether I believe they're a good enough football team
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: or not. I do think they are. I think this
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: team can win a Super Bowl. As is, I think
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: this team can win a Super Bowl. Because they have
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: the defense that is now getting turnovers. I think their
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: offense is creepily improving every single week, which is what
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: you want to see. Wait.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: Creepily?
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: Steadily, sorry. Steadily improving every single week.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: You're trying to say it's creeping up?
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: Steadily creeping their way up every single week. Yeah, we'll
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: do that. I think they're good enough. But I also
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: think that the Jags might be good enough to win
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: a Super Bowl. And the Jags decided, well, let's make
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: ourselves even better than good enough.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: You're not lying.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: It's an arms race. The Broncos have been pretty conservative, right?
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, they made one big acquisition in the offseason
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: going into this season.
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: One.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: All right? And the retention rate of the guys that
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: they had on the roster, highest in the NFL. So
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: they've played it very conservatively so far. I'm with you.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: I'm with you. Other teams in the conference smell blood.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: They see it.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: They're like, all right, we're in. Let's go. They got
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: to be in.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: And I, like you, will be disappointed if they don't
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: make a move today. I will be disappointed.
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: And it's not to me like you just need to
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: do something for the sake of doing something. I think
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: it's very important that you shore up your running back room.
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: I think the idea of Dallas Goddard, you know, the
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: more we sit here and talk about it, great. Like,
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: I'd be fully on board with a guy like that.
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: If you don't think that Evan Ingram is good enough
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: on both aspects of being a tight end, you know,
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: here's the funny thing, guys. If Evan Ingram... isn't going
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: to be super impactful in the pass game, which I
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: think we would all agree he hasn't been since being here, right?
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: Would we all agree that Evan Ingram has not been
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: super impactful?
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. He's made some big plays.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: He's had some good games. But I think we were
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: sold a bill of goods that this is our move.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: This is the guy. This is the playmaking tight end
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: that's going to help open up this offense and so on.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: It hasn't been that.
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: Are these big plays in the room with you right now?
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, he's got some touchdowns. He had a
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: real nice play the other day.
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: Can you name one? Give me the big plays from
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: Evan Ingram since coming here.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: He's caught some touchdowns.
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: I said, give me some then.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: He hasn't been, Moshe.
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: That's the bottom line. And if you can't be impactful
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: in the pass game and you can't block, then there's
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: some trouble here, right?
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: Why were we sold a bill of goods?
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: Well, they thought they had their joker. They thought that
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: they have their multifaceted guy that can do a little
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: bit of everything. But clearly, and that's what scares me
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: about that decision. What if they go get another guy
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: they believe to be that guy? And it's not the position.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: It's not. See, and this is, to me, the moves
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: they make at the deadline, in my eyes, will determine
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: what the problem is moving forward. You know what I'm saying?
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: Sometimes you have to reverse engineer that. Like, why is
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: it the running game working? Why is the quarterback so
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: conservative at times? Why does the offense stall and go
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: three and out at times? So you have to reverse
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: engineer this and find out, okay, let's add a running back. Okay,
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: let's go get a tight end. Oh, it's still not working? Oh.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: See what I'm saying? I think that's what's happening here.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: Well, if you don't know by now, Vic, Sean Payton
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: knows why it ain't working. He's not going to tell
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: you and tell me. If you don't know it by now,
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: as we sit here, you know, week nine and a bye,
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: he's going to be pouring over all the film, I'm sure,
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: himself and all of his staff. I'm sure they've got
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: it figured out. Now, what kind of moves are they
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: going to make?
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: 3-0-3, 5-0-4, 0-9-2-5. The Avs are north of the border
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: for a showdown with the Maple Leafs.
• 32:17
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• 32:18
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• 32:25
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• 32:30
  Speaker 4: All right, so Ryan Harris is going to join us
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: at 8 o'clock this morning. I did see something from
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: yesterday that I just think is... I don't know if
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: funny is the right word. It's kind of funny about
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: how much disregard somebody has for your thoughts and feelings.
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: Whatever you want as a consumer, you don't get because
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: you don't matter. And it's more like they got you
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: by the coyotes and they know that there's nothing that
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: you can threaten them with. But I'll give you an
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: example of exactly what I'm talking about. Rich Clark was
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: one of the guys that's in charge of the college
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: football playoff. said he is aware, this is according to
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: Heather Dinich.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: Who is Rich Clark?
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: He is a guy that's involved with the college football playoff.
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: Let's see here. He's the executive director of the college
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: football playoff.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: He said he is aware of the fan sentiment that
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: is out there. And, quote, that many fans aren't in
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: favor of expansion. But, quote, We owe it to them
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: to make this great, and that is really our intent.
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: We did take into account their sentiment, but we decided
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: to move forward with it. Talking about expanding the playoffs.
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: Here's what he said. I am well aware that you
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: guys don't want this to happen. But you're going to
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: watch anyway, and I like money, so I don't care.
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: That's exactly what he said, right? Oh, no, I get
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: the complaints. In fact, I agree with him. But you're
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: going to watch no matter what, so I do what
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: I want.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: Well, let me walk you through the reasoning as to
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: why an expansion makes sense and why the committee and
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: why all of college football is going down this road,
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: more games. Originally, when college football used to be an
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: amateur sport, it was amateur athletes, right? That's what it was.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: The, the fear was allegedly, I'm just telling you their,
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: their rationale. The fear was you don't want to play
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: the season that deeply into January. You don't want to
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: play past Christmas, a bowl game's fine, but too many games.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: These are student athletes. They have to study. They have
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: to take tax tests, their exams.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: Their students.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: Well, now we know that's just not the case. That's
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: just not the case. They're, They're professionals going to school,
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: representing the school.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: See, but to me, they even go to school. I mean,
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: that's how many guys actually.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: When I was at my alma mater over the weekend,
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: it made me sad. I was sad to hear this.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: It was one of the last schools to do this.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: You know, again, I see you. A lot of the
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: classes for football players are done online. And a lot
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: of these institutions are online. They're not even in the classes.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: At least in Notre Dame, they still make them go
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: to the classes. But you know one thing that's gone
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: there that they used to do? It was the last bastion.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: There used to be dormitories where you shared dorms with athletes.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: Like when I was in school there, Chris Zorich lived
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: in my dorm. Rocket Ismail. Guys like that, they lived
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: in the dorms among the students. Now that's not the
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: case anymore. They have their own places there. And I
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: heard that, and I was like, ah, that sort of sucks.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: You mean like a five-star resort? Five-star resort? Barracks or something?
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they have their own athletic dorms or apartments. Most
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: of them just live in apartments now. They don't even
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: hang with the students. And that used to be one
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: of the last places where they did that. And that's
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: across the board at every institution, right?
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: I understand, like, as far as the amateur thing, like
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: the big hurdle that they had to force more games
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: on kids is how do you make them do more
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: work for the same pay, which would be a scholarship.
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: That was always a hurdle that they had a tough
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: time getting around. Um, now that doesn't matter. The bigger
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: thing to me though, is change is hard. Okay. It's
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: very hard. We we've all been through it before. If
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: you move to a new place, got a new job,
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: got a new girlfriend, got a new pet at the house,
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: like whatever, had a kid change is very, very hard
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: in college. Football fans have been through the ringer on
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: change over the last 10, 15 years. And they've just
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: been forced to take it.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: You don't like these new conference realignment things? Who cares?
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: It's not about you.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: Take it.
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: You don't like the new NIL rules? Who cares? Take it.
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: You don't like the transfer rules?
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: Take it.
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: You don't like that a guy can play for six
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: different teams in four years?
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: Who cares? Take it.
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: You don't like that conference championships are now going away?
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: Who cares?
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: Take it.
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: You don't care? You don't like the idea that your
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: rivalry teams that you've played for 50 straight years is
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: no longer happening?
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: Who cares? Take it.
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: How many more times are you going to ask college
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: football fans who say openly and out loud, I hate
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: where the direction of the sport that I love is going,
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: and they're continually told we don't care? How much more
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: can they take?
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: Have you seen some of the venues around college football
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: this year and the lack of peeps? Have you seen that?
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: I suppose winning and losing has something to do with it,
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: but what... Did you see Boston College over the weekend
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: when that team ran out of the tunnel? Dude, the
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: camera pans with the players, and that joint is empty. Empty.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: I guess that's the only way, Brett, you can really
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: vote is with your ticket money. You're actually showing up.
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: They don't care about the ticket money because the CFP
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: just cares about how much dollars ESPN's going to give them,
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: and it turns out it's $ 1.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: 7 billion.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: And....
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: They're good. But my whole point on this is college
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: football has changed so much that the people that are
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: staunchly college football fans are seeing the sport that they
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: love and the things that they loved about it being
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: eroded right in front of them. And they don't care.
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: Like the people in charge do not care. And I
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: just think that's a really bad business model to have.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: Like, okay, well, why do they have to, why do
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: they have to care? People are still watching Brett. People
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: are still watching. Okay. So what?
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: Why do I think that the people who run the
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: entertainment business that you are consuming, why do I think
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: they should care about what the feelings are of their consumers?
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: Is that a real question?
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: They should.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: Because their consumers show up anyway. It doesn't matter.
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: I'll tell you this right now, Moj. I am somebody,
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: I went to a college that didn't have a college
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: football team, okay? Or at least they did for a year.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: And then they cut them. Loser.
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: Okay. But I love college football.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: I do.
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: My love for college football has waned. You want to
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: see a sport that has really taken a hit? College
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: basketball has taken a massive hit, interest-wise, because of all
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: these different rules. Is the tournament nearly what it used
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: to be for you?
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: The NCAA tournament? It doesn't feel like it. No. No,
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: it's not.
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: Is it because you don't know anybody anymore?
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: Pretty much. I don't know who's who and guys. Yeah,
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: pretty much.
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: Just decided that we're just going to do what's best
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: for the bottom dollar and not care about the consumer
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: all I'm saying is this has been going on for
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: a long time and I think college football fans have
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: taken it now you're telling them the one thing that
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: they looked forward to every year conference championship weekend is
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: now gone you're wrong.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: What am I wrong about?
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: You're painting a picture that college football is dying and
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: people can't take it. I didn't say it's dying. No, no, no.
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: I said how much more can people take?
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: Well, college football right now, I would tell you it's
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: just as popular as it's ever been. And it's just
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: as fanatical as it's ever been. And the stadiums are
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: going crazy. And the talk shows are nuts. The industry
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: of college football is on the rise. So whatever they're doing,
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: whatever buttons they're pushing, you may not like it. But
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: I'm telling you right now, College football is as healthy
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: as ever.
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: College football ratings are down 11% in October from last year.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: So?
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: So one month they're down? Do you think the business
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: of college football is lacking? Do you think the business
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: is hurting?
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: No, I don't think the business is hurting. I think
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: not caring about what your consumers want is a bad plan,
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: is all I'm saying. And yes, to a certain extent,
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: they have everybody, as I said earlier, by the church bells, okay?
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: They got you. If you love college football, you'll stomach
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: all of this. even if you don't like it.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: What don't you like? I'm struggling to understand what you
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: don't like.
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: College football forever, Vic, was about the rivalries and in-state stuff.
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: I agree.
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: CSU and CU playing each other every year.
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: Those are gone.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: That's gone.
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: And on the whole, college football fans have been like, okay,
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: I hate this, but I guess I'll take it. And
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: now they're saying conference championship weekend.
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: It's a big deal.
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: Who gets to say that they're the best?
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: No, it's not. The conference championship's not a big deal.
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: It is a big deal.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: What do you mean? No, it's not.
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: You don't think Michigan and Ohio State care about who
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: the conference champion is?
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: You know why it's not a big deal? The team
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: that was in the national championship game last year didn't
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: even play in the conference championship.
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: But, Vic, it's about the bragging rights of it in
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: the same way that a rivalry game's about the bragging rights.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: Nobody cares about the bragging rights of a conference championship.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: They care about the bragging rights.
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: Of winning it all these days. You're dead wrong.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: You're dead wrong. I think you're dead wrong.
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: I don't know how to say this to you.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: Do you think.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: Alabama cares more about a conference championship or a national championship?
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: Oh, they care about a national championship. To say that
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: they don't care about winning the SEC is foolish. Of
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: course they do.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: Let me follow up the argument. Do you think there
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: will be a team from the SEC this year that
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: does not play in the conference championship but will.
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: Be in the CFP?
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: Of course there is. Yeah, of course there is.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: So that team automatically is going to go home and say, well,
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: we didn't play the conference championship.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: That sucks.
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: But, Vic, this is the point. The conference championship game
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: that used to matter a lot because it did dictate
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: who was playing for a national title and who didn't
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: does not matter anymore, and now it's going away entirely.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: So let me understand something. You're mad at college football
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: because they're eliminating conference championships games? That's your anger? My
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: anger has been.
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: It's another step in it. It's a big deal.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: I think the bigger deal is... Rivalries that existed forever.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: Rivalries that are gone. CU-CSU every other year. The big-time
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: rivalries that used to really push the sport. That's the reason.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: But conference championships? That's all make-believe crap. Let me tell
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: you something about conference championships. When I was your age,
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: they didn't even have conference championships. College football survived just
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: fine back then. See, your generation is used to them
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: because that's all you got. Our generation, we never had
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: conference championships. The college, the sports survived just fine without them.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: Do you remember the 80s and 90s? Did you remember
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: conference championship games?
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: No, there were not. Did they exist?
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: How was college football.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: In the 80s and 90s?
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: Did you just say, oh my God, I'm not watching
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: because you're not a conference championship.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: Vic, but then it changed and then it became a
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: yearly thing that people cared about. And now they're taking
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: it away. Like they've taken a million things away from
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: college football. This is what I'm getting at. It's one
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: other aspect of a line of things. They said, we
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: don't like this in college football. I said, we don't care.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: Brett. And I'm trying to tell you that I don't
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: think it really matters because they've always had this mindset of, look,
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: we know what's best for, for you. and you're going
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: to eat it, and you're going to come around, and
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: you're going to enjoy it, and you'll like it, and
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: so on. And that's essentially what has happened. People aren't
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: really going away from college football. They really aren't. I
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: dig what you're saying. People don't want 24. I dig.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: I got you. But I'm saying that people will still
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: be there, even if they don't like it. To me,
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: it's sort of the Coors Field effect, where, hey, we
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: don't like the fact that you're losing 100 games four
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: years in a row, but I'm telling you right now, dude,
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: that party deck still packs out all the time. Rockies
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: will never have, ever have an attendance problem, ever.
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: If you think the problem with college football is eliminating
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: conference championships, you are drunk.
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: Again, Vic, you're making this like it's the singular issue.
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: It is a part of a larger problem of people
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: saying we don't want this and they do things anyway.
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: That's the issue.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: Let me tell you something. The people that think college
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: football is suffering right now are the people whose college
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: football teams suck.
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but.
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: Oh, you know what? By the way, by the way,
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: don't don't be. No, don't be so smug. Oh, it's
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: like you were anointed.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: You know, I'm just telling you the reality is what
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: the reality is. Go to the South Bend. Go to
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: the Southeast. No, I'm not saying that. Go to the Southeast.
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: College football has never been. Let me tell you something.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: You know what's happening in the state of Colorado right now?
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: You guys may not know this because you don't have– well,
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: I know you have a kid that age. The amount
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: of kids from Colorado going to Southeast Conference colleges is outlandish.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: It's a lot.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: Why are they going there? Why are they going to Alabama,
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: to Ole Miss, to Georgia? Why are all these Colorado
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: kids suddenly wanting to go to school there?
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: Because they're on TV every week and there are big
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: programs and they get excited and they want to go
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: do it.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: College football is healthy and fine.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: It's a rolling ad every week.
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: They're not going to Nebraska, though, Brett.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: They ain't going to Omaha and Lincoln.
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: What are you doing? What are you doing? I never
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: said college football was dead. I don't know what the
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: Nebraska thing is, but they still sell out their stadium.
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: Their team sucks. They still sell out. No, no, just wait.
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: The point to this whole thing is college football is fine.
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: But how many times is college football going to take
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: a crap on what people are saying we don't want
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: to do? Like, if the NFL just said, hey— You're the.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: One who said you wanted a bigger playoff last year.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: And you said it the year before.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: So what's wrong with you?
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: No, I don't— When did I say I wanted 24 teams?
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: I didn't want 24 teams.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: No, no, but you're the one who said that the
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: little man, the little school can't get in, and you
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: need to get the little schools in. Remember, you said
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: you were vouching for James Madison?
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: I think 12 is fine. 12 is a fine number.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: But you were the one saying you've got to let
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: the Cincinnati's in and the James Madison's. You were the
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: one saying that, Mike. So, no, I'm holding you accountable
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: to what you said.
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: I'm begging you to listen to me. I'm begging you.
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: I never wanted 24 teams, ever. I certainly didn't want
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: 24 teams at the expense of conference championship games that
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: I think are important. I thought 12 was fine. This
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: number was fine. They went to 24 because they could
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: get more money. That's why they did it. And when
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: everybody said, we don't want it, they said, we don't
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: care because we're going to make more money. And I
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: don't think that that's a good business model. That's all.
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: That's all I'm saying. Anyway, we can get back to this.
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: Later.
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: Ryan Harris.
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: I think you've gone too Steve Ballmer on me. That's
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: what you've done. They conned me? Your voice got high
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: and it cracked. I don't like that.
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: Ryan Harris joins us next.