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Forgot let Maggie in before Molly texted us.
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It's raining as well. Oops.
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This week, we're talking all about animal cruelty.
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Hello and welcome to another episode of Anime Club.
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We weren't talking about anything depressing just before
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this. My name's Chris and this is
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Peeps. Hey, how you doing?
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I'm good. Do you know what happened just
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then? My brain stopped working and I
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what? I just opened my mouth and
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something came out and I had 0 control or decision making
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around it. That was just the noise.
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It's weird because that is my my hosting style.
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To be fair, I just opened my mouth.
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Melbourne, it's good job in good company then.
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Yeah, it's fine. So it's my pick last week.
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Why not? Yeah, it was.
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And I, I told you about this a day ago, luckily we're only
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watching 3 episodes and there's only currently, as of today, 7
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episodes out and. Literally it was, it wasn't even
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like you gave me a full day. You messaged me like last night
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being like, oh, I forgot to tell you.
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This is what we're doing. Do you know when I decided that?
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When at that time I see it 5 minutes before you messaged me.
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It's generous. It was as I was typing it, was
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it? Oh, yeah, I remember that out of
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it. But basically when I started the
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anime club Facebook page and I'd joined loads of anime groups and
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stuff like that just to see what was about.
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And this was getting talked about a lot.
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And there was a couple of, so a couple of trails of it, the the
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fight scene that's in it that we've saw in episode 3, that was
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on it. And I was, oh, this, this could
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be interesting. So besides that, I knew nothing
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about it. I just wanted to see a monkey
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fighting. And you've got that a.
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Little bit. This this anime delivered some
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of that. Yeah, I had heard of it before.
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I think at the time you might have sensed sent it to me going,
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oh, I want to add this to the list is it is on our list of
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ones that we'll eventually get to.
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But I knew nothing about it, hadn't really kind of delved
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into any online discussions about it.
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So this was, I came at it completely fresh.
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It was interesting. Good.
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I do kind of like going into things a bit blind, so I never
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watched film trailers or anything besides the obviously
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the cover art or the thumbnail I send you.
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But yeah, do you want to go into a bit about what it's about?
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Yeah, of course. So in a world much like our own,
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because it's our world, there is a there is a scientist who is
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experimenting with genetics. As you do.
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And the the first episode, his lab gets raided by some vegan
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activists, the Animal Liberation Army, who have been like a kind
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of actually, they're more like a terrorist group than an activist
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group because they are extremely violent, extremely zealous as
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well. So they raid this kind of animal
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testing laboratory and they find a chimpanzee who is bleeding on
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the floor in and in some distress.
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And immediately my heart was like, oh, Chris, why have you
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made me watch this? I think I even messaged you
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being like, oh, great animal cruelty.
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Thanks mate. Yeah, Yeah.
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I think your words were this is, this is brutal, Yeah.
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It does. It feels brutal and the so they
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don't, they can't, they want to free all the animals, but they
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can't leave this chimpanzee bleeding out because they
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realise that this, this chimpanzee's pregnant and having
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a miscarriage. So they take it to an Animal
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Hospital. And at the Animal Hospital, the
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chimpanzee gives birth to something not quite ape and not
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quite human. And it what transpires is that
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this there is a, a child, Charlie, who is a, a human Z
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half chimp, half human monkey boy.
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Yes, many years later, he has been adopted by two scientists
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who are kind of raising him in like near like in a house,
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beautiful house in the middle of nowhere.
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And he it's his first day at school.
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And from there it's basically just following like Charlie's
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struggle to fit in as a human Z. And it also delves into things
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like human nature and like the, but also particularly I think
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the conversation it has about human nature is the conversation
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around violence versus compassion in humans.
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Yeah. And what does it mean?
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What, what, what other, what's what is the morality around
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killing and violence? And that is quite heavily pro
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vegetarianism. Veganism.
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I would. Say veganism, Yeah, it's, but it
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is I do think it is interesting and they do have some, you know,
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and they obviously you have this at the Animal Liberation Army,
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the ALLLAL. AA lot.
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That's another and that is another allegory we could make
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about this because what has happened, because this terrorist
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organization have become very, very violent and they have
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killed like children and targeted like things like places
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like restaurants where there are lots of the.
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Videos. Some steak houses, yeah.
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It's it's turned like anyone who is a vegan is now like subject
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to being like brutal, not bullied, brutally bullied.
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No, it's ostracized, ostracized, considered like a like
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outlandish. So it's like all people are
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being painted with the brush of the the worst view, which is,
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you know, something that I think we can all say we do see a lot
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in our world, unfortunately. And it looks like kind of, you
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know, is it OK? Like, is it because nature, you
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know, nature, it has lots of scenes where you've got one
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animal consuming another animal in nature.
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And I think there is a kind of dialogue going on about like
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what is natural versus what is morally right.
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It's interesting because I actually do think even though
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it's very pro vegan, it doesn't actually come down because
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Charlie, who is the main character is, is actually quite
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casually violent. Like he's not, he doesn't like
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seek it out as a first resort, but he's very capable of
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violence. And he also says, you know,
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like, oh, if you like if I had to save other people by killing
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you, I would. And he says with like a kind of
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like easy acceptance of like, well, of course, that's, that's
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just what you do. Yeah.
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But yeah. So if Charlie, yeah, that's,
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that's what it's about Charlie and his Charlie and his attempt
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at friendship. Yeah, because that's the thing.
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Because Charlie was raised by these parents, these adopted
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parents, his mother is a lawyer and his father is a it's either
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a surgeon or a veterinary surgeon.
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I'm not sure of any way he actually delivered Charlie from
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his from his struggling, struggling mother.
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So I'm I'm guessing. Yeah.
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I'm guessing it's a vet. I think he's AI think he's a
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veterinary surgeon. You're right.
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And for a while he Charlie's kept at this kind of institute,
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isn't he? But then there's an incident and
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the doctor, just like the vet, decides to take him home and try
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and raise him like a normal child.
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Well. I I think because I've I've only
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seen the first 3 episodes and this is where I think it's gone.
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The incident that was that was mentioned was Charlie was
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approached by 7 armed guards because at the time he was like
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an anomaly. They don't know if he was kitten
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connected to the animal Liberation Army or whatever it's
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called. So they kept him under lock and
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key constant watch. So for some reason, they took my
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swimming pool and he disarmed the seven officers and like,
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messed them up bad to the point of hospitalization.
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Just fair enough. But in that dialogue as well,
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because there's a policeman telling them of that incident
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that was covered up. Before that he was saying, Oh
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yeah, I used to have Charlie, like video games and merch and
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stuff like that. So I don't know if it was kind
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of like that was the straw that, yeah, straw that brought the
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camel back where it was like something had happened where I'm
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guessing he was provoked or forced to act and this happened.
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And they were like, yeah, maybe he's not a good spokesperson.
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Maybe you should take him out of the limelight and just keep him
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in the house for a bit. Yeah, and maybe just treat him
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like a part of human. Yeah, because he does.
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He does have speech and he does have normal human needs and not
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chimpanzee needs. And as I found it weird, I know
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it is a like preposterous storyline, but if you came into
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if you had a chimpanzee in your care or a human Z, would you
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send it to a public school? So this is a thing that I think
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I messaged you and I was like, why is this this kid going to
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school like this is a great argument.
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This is where this child probably needs a kind of
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different type of education. Equally, he's also it feels like
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someone who's desperately in need of some friends because
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he's very. I'd say I didn't get that
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because if you notice throughout the whole thing, he's very
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emotionless. He's very logical and he's
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thinking and it's very, this happens here.
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Even when he took away the in one of the scenes, there was a
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butterfly being caught by a spider and he takes that
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butterfly away and rescues this kinda and he says, oh, spider's
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hungry now that that's probably be going to go like the sick of
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life kind of thing. He's very logical and detached
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emotionally, even if he does an emotional action.
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So here's something that I, so I have a different take on it.
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He appears logical, but I think there is a, there are emotional
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needs underneath that. And I think so because what
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happens is the, when the incident with the guards, 7
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guards happens, the he's five years old.
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And I think what happens is he's, doesn't, he didn't at that
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time know how strong he was. And so this is this is a person
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who's had to learn very, very careful control because you see
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multiple examples of him being like crazy strong.
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And it's really cool. Like there's a bit where he like
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squeezes a branch and it like collapse under collapses a bit
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under his hand. That's like the first kind of
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hint of this like inhuman strength that he has.
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And so I think he's actually, he does have that because you also
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see him like, so at one point the the Animal Liberation Army
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come to his home and tried to attack his parents in like
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episode 3. Yes, 3.
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Yeah, and he, his response is so quick and so brutal.
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Like I think there is emotion there.
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It's just that he's like in a place of having to suppress
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them. I also think there's something
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to do with his his biological mother or.
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And can we talk about how weird it is that like a human doctor
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impregnated because he impregnates the monkey with his
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own DNA? Yeah, I don't know if it was in
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a lab or it was a Turkey baster or Cadillac dinner.
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Do you know, I kind of hope it's the candle at dinner because you
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find out that the chimpanzee can communicate.
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So there's a level of like and and also do like quantum solve
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quantum puzzles and things. That that part made us laugh
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because. Because he was.
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Just, Oh yes, intelligent monkey.
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Oh yeah, she actually read some words worth poems and made some
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of her own. I was like, all right.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. I kind of love that, though.
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So like, here's this crazy monkey, but then it's had
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because the monkeys had some trauma.
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It's like her brain has, like, been damaged and she's shut
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down. But I think there is a moment
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where she's trying to communicate.
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I really do. And I think, yeah, I think she's
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still in there. And I also wonder if, like, if
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you're watching that happen as a child to the being that is your
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mother and like if that's the being that, you know, your
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mother to be like. I think that does.
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I think that quiets the soul in a way that's actually very sad.
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Yeah. So that's why we I think there's
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a there's a sadness to Charlie that makes people like Phil.
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But I did also message you being like monkey boy falls in love
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with cute smart ginger Chris. Why do you relate to this?
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Because that is the story. Of your life, pretty much.
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Pretty much, I mean. Maybe less Thai boxing?
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0 Thai boxes at my end. Yeah, yeah, it's, it's, it's
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different. Even even speaking about the
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mom, there was there was there was a moment where the doctor
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said, oh, yeah, because it was such a difficult birth.
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It gave her brain damage, which I didn't get.
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But he could tell there was something inside because you're
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trying to layout cards that spelled something.
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And it was I am something. And it was like a couple of it
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was a letters and numbers. And I'm sure later on this seems
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like it's going to be a callback thing where it was like, Oh yes,
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this is experiment G97 or something.
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And that's what she was putting down, communicating.
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So it was WI because I remembered this because I
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thought that for sure that's the thing.
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Sure, that's a clue. It said I am WO 03 and because I
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was like is she trying to say I am wrong or I am I am one like
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what's the a? Woman.
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Like like, who knows? I think there's an attempt there
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though. And, and I think because of
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that, like this is, this is an anime that doesn't give loads
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away at the beginning. Like I think it's setting up
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some really, really meaty mystery clues for you.
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And I think like I think as it progresses, it'll kind of be
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quite good to see like all of those play out.
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I think it will. I think it will deliver in the
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story department if you can make it through the slightly preachy
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bits. Yeah, so, so I'm sorry, I mean
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notes the ELA is the Animal Liberation Alliance.
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So they are a group of you find only there's this ex soldiers in
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there that have fought in some guerrilla warfare.
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They and they are ultra, ultra vegans, like to the point where
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they obviously bomb like steak houses and stuff like that.
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But it goes from that extreme to the two parents where they are
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vegan themselves. And there's there's Lucy Eldred,
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who is the girl that Charlie like has a friendship with and
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kind of relates, but she's a weird kid.
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But she comes round and she starts asking questions because
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obviously veganism in that world is a Tippoo thing because these
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people that are going around forcing their ideals are bombing
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buildings. So she's like, is veganism the
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way to go? And they kind of like take a
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back is in like a normal person is in a non extreme version of
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it. They're like, well, we do this.
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We're not perfect. That is how we choose to live.
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And obviously we can't be perfect because we use animal
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products in everything that we do, like rubber and fuel,
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etcetera. And obviously it's an it could
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be seen as an allegory for something else in the world, for
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a lot of things in the world, which you can just you can
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insert what you want there. But how would you think the the
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handle that? Because I thought it was a bit
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preachy. So I think it is preachy.
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I think the parents are like the least preachy bit.
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Well actually and the parents. So the parents reminded me of
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one of my friends who is a vegan and very into like ethically
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sourced. It is like ideals.
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But what they say is that, look, you just, you don't have to be
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perfect. You don't have to do it every
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day. But like, even if you just dial
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back on how much meat you have, like, like maybe that's a good
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place to start. Like just, or just more
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conscious and aware of like where your food is coming from.
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And I think that's a good message.
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I kind of feel like we didn't need to be fed that.
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I think like. Like there is an element of
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like, like I don't think, but I don't think veganism and
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vegetarianism is so taboo in our world that we need to hear the
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positives of it. But I can see why they want to
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do that in order to balance it because otherwise the vegans are
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the backhoes and it just feels very anti vegan.
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Yeah, yeah, I, I know. Yeah.
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I I think they were kind of there to show that not, not
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everyone who follows this way of life are that extreme and people
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live in your society while not eating beet and not be that way.
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I think if if we extend it into like a more general area, the
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parents are there as an example of like, not everyone who makes
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the same lifestyle choice follows the same moral code or
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standard, right? So it's like that thing of not
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everyone who is Catholic is going to go to church every
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Sunday or like not everyone who is.
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I'm trying to think of other lifestyle choices other than
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veganism, but so far all I can think about is veganism.
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Do you know what I mean? Like, yes, you know, there is
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like not everyone who is vegan is going to like check the label
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and every bottle of wine they drink.
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Like, there is always Shades of Grey.
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And also not everyone who follows a life, a certain type
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of lifestyle is going to judge other people for not following
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it. And that, for me, feels like the
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moral boundary that they draw between good guys and bad guys.
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It's like, what is not OK is for you to choose a lifestyle and
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then in, like, force it on other people, but it's OK for you to
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choose a lifestyle and just share it with other people.
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And those two things are very, very different.
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Yeah. So I think that's the kind of.
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The role, like the role in the discourse that his parents are
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playing. And then do you know, there's a
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scene in this as well where obviously Charlie eats at the
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school because he's a student there and he has they realize
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that he picks a vegetarian meals or the vegan meals and they're
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like, oh, you're vegan. And then I've saw this, this two
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like bullies, the kind of jocks of the school and they come over
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and they say, oh, he's he's one of them vegans.
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And he's like one of these extremists or whatever in the
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start, like questioning, he's questioning his lifestyle.
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And why does that he's oh, well, I could eat meat if I want to,
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but I just, I just don't want to Like I physically can.
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And obviously because they don't know if he's got a different
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biology and it might be or it might make him sick, but he's
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like, Oh yeah, I could if I wanted to.
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And that's where the there's a weird question about a mouse
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carrying a plague. Would you?
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Would you? Kill.
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Would you kill a mouse? If there was a mouse that was
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carrying a plague that could wipe out humanity, would you
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kill the mouse? Yeah, but it was such an edgy,
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weird question. And it's a psych and.
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Actually, it's a gotcha question, isn't it?
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That's why. Kind of, but it's a crap one and
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but there is like there's a vegan in our in our discord and
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I remember asking stupid questions that as well.
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It's almost as if like I was trying to catch a road.
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I was just trying to be funny. To be fair, I think one of me
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questions was what about? Well, I think was honey?
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I asked and then I went breast milk and then I went to using
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oil products. Obviously if the fossil fuels
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and she was just like, look Chris, come on, like I'm.
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What are you hoping to get out of this?
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I know, I know, I don't know what I was hoping to get.
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Maybe he's like a ha ha, you have me now.
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I shall have a steak for some reason.
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So I have a lot of vegetarians and vegans in my family and for
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the first like I think I didn't have meat until I was about like
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either 8 or 10. Right.
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Then I tried bacon. Never turned back.
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Also I think school dinners didn't do vegetarianism effort
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any favours for me in my childhood.
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Because not in the 70s. How dare you?
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If I was born in the 70s and I'd look this good after a diet of
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vegetarianism, that'd be why. But I'm not an IE.
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Let's meet anyway. And but what I notice is
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sometimes in the dynamic of my own family and like, there is a
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kind of like, So I know that it is better for the planet just in
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general in most situations, if we all ate less meat, don't even
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have to eat no meat, just less meat, it would be much better.
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We'd be able to feed more people and there would be less.
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Yeah. There'd just be less vadnais.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Lots of different reasons. And because of that, sometimes I
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feel like like a just a little gremlin mode of me wants to like
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hook a vegan in and drag them down to my moral level of like,
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like, yeah, but how, how far would you go?
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How far? Like, you know, sure you have,
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you have a level of strength and discipline that I don't have
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because I, I can't resist bacon and cheese.
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But like, how far does that really go?
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You like surely you're just human like me.
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There is a, there is like a kind of gremlininess.
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So I do kind of recognise the urge.
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I have overtime realised that that's more about me than it is
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about other people and their decisions though.
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So. Oh yeah.
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Yeah, definitely. I think it's how honey is a.
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Honey is a good example of like like a a moral grey area for
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vegans. Do people get down on different
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different sides of the fence? Eggs is another one as well.
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Yeah, yeah, I mean, yeah, you're still steep.
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Isn't utterly anyway besides called into veganism because
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it's. Different.
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She couldn't hear it. Yeah, it's not fertilized.
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You're not killing anything. Delicious.
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Stimuli anyway, there's it's actually not that like it's not
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as impactful to farm chickens as it is to say like farm cows in
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terms of like environmental impact.
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There are lots of arguments for and against stuff like that.
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So, yeah, like I think it there is a kind of, but I think it
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also, it kind of represents that thing of like you can have the
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same lifestyle. Like you can have the same
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lifestyle choice in that it will show up in the same way as in
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like these people don't eat meat.
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The reasons why they don't eat meat could be vastly different.
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Yeah, yeah. Because for some people it's a
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health choice. For some people, it's a moral
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choice. For some people it's it's I, my
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family never eat meat. So I just don't eat meat.
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Well, yeah, I get that. I mean, even do you know what
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some tablets and stuff there's, there's meat products like
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paracetamols and and vaccines and stuff like that.
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This is the and this is the thing about money.
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So when they changed, you know, they changed the banknotes to
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that plasticky. They're not vegan that that
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they've got like a meat product in them that give them that
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particular texture. So there's something in them
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that makes them. I can't remember what it is.
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It might even be something like cochine or, you know, like the
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ground up beetle dye or something.
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There's nothing in those particular banknotes because
26:00
there was like this whole thing about like, but if I, it's like
26:05
if my religion forbids me from from using animal products
26:10
because there are some religions.
26:11
Whereas it's like a, it's like a religious choice.
26:14
Yeah. Like Jainism, for example.
26:19
Yeah. Then you couldn't technically
26:21
use British currency. Oh.
26:24
I didn't know that. I didn't know about my money
26:27
anyway, but I'm sure there's the.
26:28
Same with like the COVID vaccine, because that's
26:31
horseshoe crabs. They've got something in their
26:33
blood plasma that is, is a particular chemical that is used
26:38
to manufacture the the COVID vaccine.
26:40
And how many lives did that save?
26:43
This is what I mean. Like it's a really complex
26:47
thing, but if, if a mouse was carrying a plague, would you
26:50
kill it? And more importantly, if I was
26:52
carrying a plague and you could save all of humanity by killing
26:55
me, would you kill me? I would stomp on you.
27:00
And then I would be like, hey, why are you stamping on me?
27:05
Why is there? A tiny boot on my shoulder.
27:08
Yeah, what are you trying to do? Stop stamping on my shins down
27:18
there. But then moving on from
27:22
insulting me. Who's your favorite character?
27:25
Oh my, that's my favorite bit. I would like Charlie the
27:29
Humanzu. I believe he was weird.
27:32
I found him uncomfortable to look at in a kind of uncanny
27:35
valley way. It's eyes, I think.
27:38
It's it's the very detailed eyes in an otherwise very blank face.
27:43
And also he just has an unsettling presence.
27:47
And but I have known children for a while.
27:50
I worked at a like volunteered at a drama school before I went
27:53
to uni. It's like something to like bump
27:55
my uni application. And there were some kids who
27:59
just had an unsettling presence. And Charlie reminded me of those
28:04
children where they're like, hello, Mrs. Panther.
28:10
I see you have returned. Yes, do drama.
28:14
Yeah, please. Mine was mine.
28:20
Was the dad or the the the adopted dad?
28:24
I think he was kind of the most normal.
28:26
Adopted that. Yeah, he seems nice, but the
28:32
adopted dad, not the dad who fucked a chimpanzee.
28:35
Not that one. Not that one, yeah.
28:38
Just to be really clear. Yeah, the the the animal, the
28:45
veterinary surgeon one, not the the other one who operates with
28:49
animals and yeah. The guy looks like the 70s actor
28:53
because he's got a beard and a bowl cut.
28:56
Yeah, yeah, I really liked him just because he was like the
29:00
normal person. He was like when he's talking
29:03
about Charlie, because the mom was like AI don't know assault
29:08
really like happy for her when she was like going through the
29:12
emotions of when Charlie gets a friend and she's like he's grew
29:15
up his whole life and he's just had us to talk to and he's
29:18
bringing around like a like a friend now.
29:21
And I'm really happy that he's becoming a person and a little
29:25
bit empathy because obviously he's stone faced, especially
29:28
when he talks about he's he's the the woman who birthed her
29:32
birthed him, the chimpanzee. And that's why I was at Eaton
29:37
told any much emotion. But yeah, invites us straight
29:42
around for for dinner. And I'm like, oh, that's nice.
29:45
Yeah, yeah, He was a nice. He's a nice guy.
29:49
He's good Dad. Yeah, yes.
29:54
Right. So I don't know.
29:56
I don't know if I I might leave this in, but should I ask about
30:00
them the the elephant in the room?
30:05
About I'm trying to lose weight, Chris, I don't think you can
30:08
refer to me as an elephant. That's not like.
30:11
I'm taking that out because it makes us look bad.
30:17
We talk about. Do you think this says anything
30:25
about animal testing? Obviously, yeah, I but I think
30:33
it is that complex issue around anal testing that's the thing.
30:38
I did ask you for that. We started if we're for or
30:42
against, I'll see that I am alive because of many medicines
30:48
that are and that have been tested on animals.
30:53
So I think we both came to the conclusion, medically, yes, but
30:59
lipstick, yeah, shampoo in the eyes, all that sort of stuff.
31:04
No, no. And I have seen some very
31:08
disturbing films when I was a student that stopped me eating
31:12
meat for like a good two years, like films like Hakan Phoenix.
31:19
Now it's a film called Earthlings, which is the most
31:22
traumatic film I have ever seen. And it's just it goes through
31:27
stuff like animal testing, etcetera.
31:29
But it also just does like it's just pure like the moments where
31:32
humans are just cruel for sport with animals.
31:35
And it's it's horrible. I do not actually recommend it
31:38
to anyone. But if you're someone who's
31:41
feels like you like are called to watch films that ask you to
31:46
be better as a human being, they fill your boots.
31:49
But like, I warned you not to watch it.
31:53
It's bad. So and like, like, and there are
31:57
moments like that where I'm like, oh, because I also have
32:01
this thing about like, you know, is that question of if you like,
32:07
if you eat meat, would you be willing to kill the animal
32:10
yourself in order to survive? I think I would.
32:14
I think I'd be comfortable with certain animals more than
32:17
others. I think fish are easier.
32:22
Fish are easy. I could gut a fish without
32:24
really much thought other than the fact that this is kind of
32:26
gross because it's slimy. But that's like the biggest feel
32:30
I feeling I have towards it. Whereas I think if I had to skin
32:35
an animal, I would struggle, but like, I'd get it done.
32:40
So like when it comes to animal cruelty, I'm like, I'd rather
32:42
not, I'd rather not think about it.
32:44
I'd rather not have to think about the moral dilemma of it,
32:47
but ultimately, when it comes down to it, I would like to
32:50
avoid it as much as possible. And sometimes it's not
32:53
avoidable. I I am also being kept alive by
32:56
certain medication which a 100% has been tested on animals and
33:01
I'm really grateful for that medication.
33:04
I'm sorry that the animals had to suffer in order for me to
33:07
live, but I'd rather live. It's, it's hard.
33:13
It's a hard question. I know.
33:15
That's why I asked it. It's why we're doing.
33:17
It. It's.
33:19
Another thing which I think I want to make Club a cheerful
33:22
show all about anime, but here's another thing is how many anime
33:26
do you have you watched that force you to ask those kind of
33:29
questions? Because I can only think of like
33:31
one or two others. Yeah, yeah, very few.
33:40
I can't think of Mehdi and Mehdi's amalgamist when the
33:45
experiment. Obviously, there's the famous
33:48
Doug Gill. Shao Tucker.
33:49
Shao Tucker I mean, obviously that's horrible, but that's the
33:56
first one that came. To my mind, Chimera Attack on
34:03
Titan is a film, is a series that I think like asks big moral
34:08
questions specifically around things like eugenics and like
34:15
race, because it's basically an allegory for second, like ethnic
34:22
cleansing. Actually, it's what it's it's
34:26
what it boils down to. It's kind of horrifying.
34:29
When you seen the first season last?
34:33
Huge spoilers. The other one was moving quickly
34:36
over that, sorry. Well, you start to get hints of
34:41
that in the first season. I don't think I've actually
34:43
spoiled anything for you. It's fine, I know stuff now.
34:48
Yeah, it's also been out for a while, Chris, so do you know
34:51
what I mean? Like, there's only so much I can
34:53
protect you from. The other one is Grave of the
34:56
Fireflies, which asks which like it like honestly leaves you
35:01
feeling like like, I think it asks a lot of you in terms of
35:05
like emotion emotion, like what do we do to each other in war?
35:10
And like how do we how do we look after the most vulnerable
35:13
in our society? Tokyo Godfathers is another one,
35:16
although it does it with a lot more humour at play and I think
35:21
that makes it much more comfortable.
35:22
Watch. I think this could have done
35:24
with a few more jokes you think just to like.
35:28
I think I think a few jokes might have balanced out some of
35:32
the heaviness and made it just a bit more binge able because
35:35
actually what I was thinking is I want to spread this out.
35:38
I don't want to watch it all in one go.
35:41
I mean as a as a recording. Heavy.
35:44
There is 7 episodes of We'll watch 3 at least.
35:48
Have you watched any more or? I started watching the 4th
35:51
episode and I was like I think I've hit my threshold for
35:54
watching it all in one day but I probably will go back to it and
35:58
finish it as a series. There, there, I I think I'm in
36:02
the same boat. Where, yeah, I want to watch it,
36:05
I kind of want to see what happens, but I'm not in a rush.
36:10
Like I'll do it in between if I've got nothing to do but Oh
36:12
yeah, watch that There's 20 episodes now.
36:15
I'll watch that now I'll watch some more, but I'm I'm not in a
36:19
rush to do it. And where do you think it's
36:23
going to go from here? Because it has quite a lot of
36:26
issues. That's really, it's like
36:29
obviously the the animal test and there's the veganism and
36:33
extremism. Where do you think it's going to
36:37
go in the story in the in the future?
36:40
Good question, sorry I was just playing with Eddie like he's a
36:43
toy rather than a living. You come.
36:45
You come for animals. My comfort animal yeah I was
36:49
feeling a bit sad about animals so he needed to get kisses.
36:54
What do where do I think it's going?
36:56
I so I really hope they answer some questions around like what?
37:01
First of all, why no one explains why this like professor
37:07
scientist guy wanted to make a child with a chimpanzee.
37:11
No one explains that other than that was just his work.
37:13
I want to find out more about Charlie's origins, the origin of
37:17
the species, but a Darwin incident, get it?
37:21
I also want you. I will say what that was such a
37:25
reluctant laugh. It was.
37:30
That was such an obligation laugh.
37:32
You're like, oh, here we go again.
37:36
I also want to find out about the Ala because I feel like
37:39
there's something SUS going on there and I kind of want to see
37:45
Charlie like form some emotional bonds with people.
37:49
I want to see him live a good life.
37:52
Also, the third episode leaves you.
37:55
Oh, no. Well, actually the beginning of
37:56
the fourth episode, it is incredibly tense and.
38:02
OK. And it leaves you on a bit of
38:05
like, so there is part of me that's like, what the fuck is
38:07
going on with the Ala? What the fuck are they up to?
38:10
Because they seem to be doing the not all is not as it seems
38:17
and I don't want to give it away.
38:19
So I've. Let me go pan out then.
38:22
I've got a theory, right? Yeah, I think Doctor, Doctor Bad
38:26
Touch or whatever he's called, and Doctor Chimp Lover, I think
38:32
he was trying to make some sort of do some eugenics.
38:36
He was trying to combine the best of human trait and the best
38:40
of our closest living relatives, the chimpanzee, to make some
38:44
sort of super race on ice. I think it's going to go down
38:49
that road, some kind of maybe mustache old man thing.
38:58
That's why I think the Ala are all ex some kind of forces and I
39:07
think that's why he burnt all of his research before he went into
39:12
Hayden or whatever happened to him.
39:16
Because that's the other thing, we don't even know what he looks
39:18
like. So he could literally be in the
39:20
story already. We just don't know.
39:24
Maybe he is Charlie. He's inserted his own clone into
39:32
the chimpanzee. Have you seen the film Spliced?
39:36
Yes. Sorry, that's a tangent waiting
39:37
to happen. All of our film we had though.
39:41
It is. Had sex with that as well.
39:44
That's another film with this. Yeah.
39:46
Like what? What?
39:48
Someone needs to help these scientists, like, get a date.
39:52
Just a normal date. Yeah, yeah.
39:58
I think there's all sorts of mysteries and stuff going on,
40:00
and I do feel like they've paced it in a way that makes you feel
40:03
like they're going to give it to you bit by bit, and it will be
40:06
quite satisfying in the end. So because of that I definitely
40:09
will finish it, but I just won't do it in one big.
40:12
Chunk And then what do you think about it being on Amazon Prime?
40:18
Yeah, great. I've got an Amazon Prime account
40:20
that's convenient. I know, I'm just I did not
40:23
expect it to be there. Yeah, do you know Amazon are
40:28
sneaking up with some additional anime?
40:30
Lately I've been getting anime into my Prime algorithm.
40:33
Usually it's just Housewives and Bravo TV like reality TV.
40:38
Oops, sorry Inter. Yeah, I'm the king I'm getting
40:43
from the normal streaming services.
40:45
I'm getting a lot of anime sneaking in, obviously because I
40:49
watched it like Netflix is chock full of it.
40:52
I was on Prime. So Netflix has been chocked.
40:55
Netflix has been chocked still a bit for a while.
40:57
Disney I would expect it because they are employing more
41:01
animators I think than any other.
41:04
But it's never been as well. I've never noticed it being as
41:09
prevalent. Do we?
41:11
I'll be mainstream now? Have we been doing this for so
41:14
long that eventually it's just become mainstream?
41:17
I think so. I mean stuff like put.
41:20
Them into that. One Piece is like mainstream in
41:23
that. Yeah, for sure.
41:25
I mean, even maybe it's not narrow at all because that was
41:27
like a meme, wasn't it? It wasn't really.
41:32
But yeah, I know lots of people. That isn't is a moment.
41:37
It, it was in like the 2000s. Now it's like a classic.
41:45
It's it's like, it's like when you turn the turn the old
41:49
wireless on and you TuneIn to classic radio and yeah, Linkin
41:53
Park. Oh no.
41:57
Yeah, yeah, that is now classic rockin it.
42:01
Evanescence in that necessary. What's this classic?
42:04
Shut up. I was listening to the
42:05
Evanescence literally last night.
42:07
I tuned like I phoned up. I got my boyfriend and he
42:13
sometimes shares what music he's listening to so that we like,
42:16
listen to music together. We're cool.
42:20
Yeah, Grace, But he was playing Evanescence that I got so
42:23
excited because I was like, I know every single.
42:25
Word to wake me up or. He was actually not playing that
42:30
one as well and he was playing like another one of them.
42:33
Wasn't like my immortal was it? No, no.
42:40
Was it maybe it was it was the one that's like no, that's no,
42:46
that's wake me up. It wasn't that one because if it
42:49
had been that one I would have lost my shit and done that.
42:52
OK, wake up. Same now.
42:57
From the side of the building. Yeah, iconic.
43:04
Oh oh store. I'm coming up to my last
43:09
question. Would you recommend this to
43:12
anyone? Yeah, I would.
43:15
I'd recommend it with a bit of a caveat of like, you know, it
43:20
depends up what I tell you what though if if they have just a
43:23
bit more fighting I need I need to see a bit more action.
43:27
I definitely recommend this to. I definitely recommend this to
43:30
Lee IF, but I worry it might be a bit preachy in the first few
43:33
episodes that he wouldn't be able to like stick it out for
43:37
the action. Yeah, yeah, me too do.
43:41
You know what I mean? I definitely recommend it to
43:45
Jake. He's living it.
43:49
He is Charlie. He's Jake's way more emotional
43:54
than Charlie. Yeah, true, true.
43:58
But of Jake Goodwill, friends not have to meet me too.
44:06
That your impression of Jake. Yeah, Jake as Jake as a human Z,
44:12
Human Z. But yeah, I would definitely.
44:22
Recommend it, yeah. So yeah, I would recommend it.
44:24
There's two people I probably would recommend it to.
44:27
I probably would also recommend it to Soph.
44:28
I think Soph might enjoy it, yeah.
44:33
Monkey. Yeah, so.
44:37
Technically not monkey though, is it?
44:38
He's a great ape, so. Well anyway, it's I'm going to
44:46
say it's can. You show your T-shirt.
44:50
Oh, nice. Oh, I had a good choice.
45:03
Talking of do you want to do? You haven't seen Devil May Cry
45:09
yet though, have you? No.
45:13
Is that the one with Limp Bizkit?
45:15
This ain't raw. Yes.
45:18
OK, I'll give it a call. Are.
45:20
You up for doing that Yeah let's go down Deep Throat the very
45:33
long straw they. My crisp may cry they.
45:41
Yeah, that's a short Chris dying.
45:46
Chris may die. Devil may crunch.
45:49
Chris may die. Ah yeah, I'm good for I'm happy
45:54
with Devil May Cry. Well, until next week and we'll
45:59
come back next week where we will talk about.
46:01
Devil May. Cry.
46:06
That's where I first learned the word melanchory playing that
46:09
game. Anyway, bye.