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RHOM Stephanie Shojaee, Taylor Swift and AI Stole My Voice · Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

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  Speaker 1: Heather MacDonald has got the Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 2: When you're on the road, when you're on the go,
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  Speaker 2: Juicy Scoop is the show to know.
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  Speaker 1: She talks Hollywood tales for real life, Mr. Saving Serial
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  Speaker 1: to the number one tabloid real life podcast.
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  Speaker 3: Listen in, listen up. Woo, woo.
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  Speaker 2: Heather MacDonald. Juicy Scoop. Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 4: So many juicy, hot topics, breaking news, and then a
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  Speaker 4: fantastic interview I have for you all in one show.
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  Speaker 2: You're so lucky. Let's get into it. Breaking news. Karen Reid.
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  Speaker 4: We all were wondering who would play her. Well, according
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  Speaker 4: to Deadline, it's Elizabeth Banks in a limited series in
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  Speaker 4: which she's also an executive producer for will be playing
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  Speaker 4: the story of Karen Reed and the trial and everything
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  Speaker 4: that went on.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's a great choice.
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  Speaker 4: It's someone I had not thought of, but she jumped
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  Speaker 4: on that, and I love that she's also an EP,
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  Speaker 4: so good for her. Also, sad news, a story I
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  Speaker 4: haven't really covered is the demise of the marriage and
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  Speaker 4: what is going on with Kelly Wolfe. who is married
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  Speaker 4: to Scott Wolf, the actor. They've been married for a
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  Speaker 4: very long time. She became famous from being a reality
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  Speaker 4: star on The Real World. They have three kids together,
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  Speaker 4: and they have been separated for a while. She is
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  Speaker 4: claiming abuse from him. He is denying it. And she
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  Speaker 4: has taken to Instagram many times to share very disturbing
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  Speaker 4: videos that does not bode well for her. Instagram videos
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  Speaker 4: screaming at him where she'd be filming it, claiming things
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  Speaker 4: where he's nowhere even near her. And he's trying to
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  Speaker 4: protect his children. He has shared text messages or she's
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  Speaker 4: shared a lot of sharing of text messages, including one
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  Speaker 4: of their children who took to Instagram. who claims that
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  Speaker 4: his mother is mentally ill. So unfortunately, according to TMZ,
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  Speaker 4: Kelly Wolf has been jailed for harassment after a series
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  Speaker 4: of alarming Instagram posts. She is in trouble with the law.
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  Speaker 4: This is in Utah. And she has landed in jail
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  Speaker 4: for two misdemeanors after posting a series of disturbing Instagram messages. Hopefully,
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  Speaker 4: she will get the help that she needs. this is
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  Speaker 4: a very hard thing to diagnose or wonder what in
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  Speaker 4: fact is going on from afar. But having just seen
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  Speaker 4: some of it and seeing what her family's going through,
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  Speaker 4: I think very much she needs professional help.
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  Speaker 2: So there's that.
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  Speaker 3: They think you're done for the day, but they don't
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  Speaker 3: know about the drawer. The drawer. Just the one square
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  Speaker 3: before bed. Or two, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Nobody's watching. You deserve a treat.
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  Speaker 1: With eight flavours to choose from, you can choose the
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  Speaker 1: flavour you favour with Cadbury Dairy Milk.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, light, happier news. Taylor and Travis are engaged. She
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  Speaker 4: shared it on her own personal Instagram. It went absolutely crazy.
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  Speaker 4: He did it in front of a beautiful flower display
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  Speaker 4: like Archer at his home. It was the two of
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  Speaker 4: them in the photos. It's several photos in a carousel
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  Speaker 4: of him down on one knee, her holding his face.
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  Speaker 4: A photo of the beautiful ring. And then she wrote,
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  Speaker 4: your English teacher and your gym teacher are engaged or
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  Speaker 4: getting married. And everyone's so happy for them. I just
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  Speaker 4: want to say, I predicted it. You're like, Heather, we
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  Speaker 4: know they were going to get married. Of course they
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  Speaker 4: were going to get married. I'm not saying that. I'm
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  Speaker 4: saying the kind of engagement they had. Last week, when
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  Speaker 4: I had Chris Frangiola on, we talked about when do
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  Speaker 4: we think they'll get married and how will they get married?
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  Speaker 4: We both played around the idea, would they do something public?
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  Speaker 4: And we both said, no, we don't think they would.
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  Speaker 4: And you're going to hear what I said right here.
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  Speaker 4: Do you think it'll ever happen in a showy way?
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 2: Like on stage or anything?
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 2: It'll happen just like an average girl, like we did
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  Speaker 2: a thing.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. He did a thing. He did good.
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  Speaker 2: Let's hope she's not that person.
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  Speaker 4: She's pretty.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, right. I don't think they're going to be doing
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  Speaker 3: anything public.
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  Speaker 5: I'm going to say this at the risk of sounding crazy,
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  Speaker 5: but I think they're both too classy for that.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm right. She basically did what every girl does.
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  Speaker 4: Goes to their Instagram, does a carousel of photos, and
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  Speaker 4: then writes something like, he did a thing, which basically
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  Speaker 4: she did. She probably thought, this is what I'm going
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  Speaker 4: to do as my caption. a year and a half
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  Speaker 4: ago when people, she probably saw some comment where someone said,
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  Speaker 4: this reminds me of an English teacher and a gym
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  Speaker 4: teacher falling in love at the school and everyone being
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  Speaker 4: happy about it because they are both so wholesome, so likable.
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  Speaker 4: And they really showed their attraction for each other and
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  Speaker 4: their chemistry when she went on his podcast. Do I
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  Speaker 4: think It's coincidental that when she finally agreed to go
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  Speaker 4: on his podcast, she finally got that big damn ring.
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  Speaker 6: No, I don't.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: I'm just saying she finally went on it. And then
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  Speaker 4: he got down on one knee. There is a little
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  Speaker 4: bit of talk where they engaged a couple weeks ago.
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  Speaker 2: Is this old?
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  Speaker 4: And then she went on the podcast. Like she said,
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  Speaker 4: give me the ring and then I'll go on the podcast.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: But the podcast has broken a Guinness Book World Record
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  Speaker 4: for the highest amount of downloads in the shortest period
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  Speaker 4: of time of any podcast episode in the universe since
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  Speaker 4: creation of podcasting, which is 21 million as of yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: Good for them. Happy for them.
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  Speaker 4: And, um, now we'll have to predict about the wedding,
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  Speaker 4: which let me just work on and save that for
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  Speaker 4: next week.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: Our, our girl little Nas is okay. And I say
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  Speaker 4: that with love because that is the update. He did
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  Speaker 4: a little story and he said, uh, don't worry. Your
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  Speaker 4: girl's going to be okay. So, um, Maybe he'll partner
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  Speaker 4: up with the short white shoe boot company and make
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  Speaker 4: them all the rage because they're adorable. And so was
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  Speaker 4: his tighty whities. And I hope he's doing okay. And
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  Speaker 4: it was just a crazy night.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: Now I have to tell you, I think I have
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  Speaker 4: finally made it. I finally made it in Hollywood. It's
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  Speaker 4: taken so fucking long because a AI company, I'm not
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  Speaker 4: exactly sure what this company is. It's about children's toys.
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  Speaker 4: has stolen my voice without my permission. I have not
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  Speaker 4: gotten any money. And it is, they're using my voice
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  Speaker 4: in an actual podcast. It starts out like a podcast
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  Speaker 4: interview with, but they put my voice to a woman
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  Speaker 4: that just looks a lot smarter than I am. And
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to show the photo of the woman here.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if she's a real woman or if
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  Speaker 2: she's an AI woman.
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  Speaker 4: But several juicy scoopers sent it to me, and I
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  Speaker 4: do appreciate that. And I'm going to play it for
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  Speaker 4: you right now.
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  Speaker 3: What's your million-dollar secret for women over 40?
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  Speaker 4: Everyone should stop using chat, GPT, and Canva like children's toys.
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  Speaker 2: Here is how to use them right.
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  Speaker 3: So this is how I became the most dangerous person
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  Speaker 3: in the room.
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  Speaker 2: There you go. There you go. What do I do
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  Speaker 2: about this? I don't know. I don't know, people. That's
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  Speaker 2: this world we live in. But just thank you. Exciting stuff.
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  Speaker 4: Blake and Justin Baldoni, the judge has unsealed the text exchange,
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  Speaker 4: and it bodes well, in my opinion, for Blake's case
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  Speaker 4: in saying that she believes that Justin Baldoni and his
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  Speaker 4: team and his PR people and the people that he
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  Speaker 4: hired that have these social media... companies were in fact
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  Speaker 4: building a smear campaign because the text exchange, they could
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  Speaker 4: be argued both ways. If you believe that a smear
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  Speaker 4: campaign was really being built to turn the public against
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  Speaker 4: Blake Lively, then these I do feel are slightly compelling.
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  Speaker 4: It shows that people on his team that is on
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  Speaker 4: group chats with him are, this guy is like excited
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  Speaker 4: that there are negative articles being written. And then he
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  Speaker 4: claims to also be forwarding those negative articles about Blake
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  Speaker 4: to other news sources so that they then can regurgitate
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  Speaker 4: it and tell it and spread it. So it's kind
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  Speaker 4: of a hard thing to say because a lot, I
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  Speaker 4: can see why people would do that. If all of
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  Speaker 4: a sudden I was in this And I saw that
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  Speaker 4: somebody wrote a great article about me and defending me
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  Speaker 4: while I was in like a social media battle. Maybe
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  Speaker 4: I'd want to go share that to some people and
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  Speaker 4: be like, oh my God, look, they brought up a
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  Speaker 4: great point. We see this happen with housewives all the time. They,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, everything comes back to housewives. We now know
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  Speaker 4: that all these housewives that Real Housewives of OC, not
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  Speaker 4: all of them, but Katie, and we also know other
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  Speaker 4: ones like Tamara in the past and They have all
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  Speaker 4: shared articles about each other to each other so that
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  Speaker 4: someone else brings it up and it spreads.
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  Speaker 2: It becomes out there. It gets out there. The knowledge
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  Speaker 2: gets greater.
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  Speaker 4: They talk to bloggers and meme accounts and podcasters and says, hey,
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  Speaker 4: just so you know, this article, this video, this is there.
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  Speaker 4: You might want to share it because once you share it,
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  Speaker 4: then 10 other people will share it. And then 20
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  Speaker 4: TikTok people will go, oh my God. So according to this, blah, blah, blah.
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  Speaker 4: Is that a smear campaign? This is all very gray
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  Speaker 4: between of how to look at this, but that's the latest.
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  Speaker 4: So we're, we are going to be able to have
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  Speaker 4: access to those text messages. How does Blake Lively feel
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  Speaker 4: that her former best friend Taylor Swift is engaged? She's
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  Speaker 4: probably dying. It's probably very, very hard. Much like when
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  Speaker 4: Jill Zarin found out that Bethany Franco was engaged to
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  Speaker 4: Jason Hoppy, talk about a marriage that did not end well.
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  Speaker 4: But in that show, looking back on Real Housewives of
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  Speaker 4: New Jersey, sorry, New York, Jill was like, I can't
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  Speaker 4: believe I'm not here with my best friend because we're
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  Speaker 4: on this friendship break at the greatest time of her life.
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  Speaker 4: And I've been in that situation too, where I've been
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  Speaker 4: on a break with someone and then they have gotten
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  Speaker 4: engaged and it's awkward and I have reached out and
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  Speaker 4: immediately said, I'm happy for you. But You know, they
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  Speaker 4: were very close. She was the godmother to one of
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  Speaker 4: Blake's children. But then Blake threw her into this whole
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  Speaker 4: thing and she doesn't want to be deposed. Will there
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  Speaker 4: be any songs about Blake Lively in a former friendship?
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  Speaker 4: Or is she just going to rise above it like
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  Speaker 4: she always has and act like who?
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  Speaker 2: Blake Lively? I don't know her. I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: There has been a juicy article written by In The
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  Speaker 4: Sun about Jax Taylor. And in the reunion of the Valley,
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  Speaker 4: it was revealed by Danny that he believes allegedly that
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  Speaker 4: Jax was having sexual relationships with more than one person
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  Speaker 4: that worked at his bar, Jax. Well, the son interviewed
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  Speaker 4: some people. I don't know if they said their names.
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  Speaker 4: but some of these girls that said, yes, I dated him.
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  Speaker 2: He love bombed me.
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  Speaker 4: He made me feel like I was the only one
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  Speaker 4: and he didn't want to use protection, but he always
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  Speaker 4: offered to go get plan B. I mean, now is
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  Speaker 4: this girl telling the truth? I don't know, but it's
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  Speaker 4: from the sun. It's not great. Allegedly, this is what
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  Speaker 4: was said and done. And it really makes me think
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  Speaker 4: that's really what's behind his partner and and he breaking
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  Speaker 4: ties with each other. We wondered why is he leaving
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  Speaker 4: Jack's the restaurant? Did the contract expire? Was he really
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  Speaker 4: just wanting to stay away from an establishment that serves
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  Speaker 4: alcohol as his place of business? Was he looking to
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  Speaker 4: show no income so that he would be eligible for
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  Speaker 4: getting spousal support from Brittany? Or is it because of
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  Speaker 4: this sticky situation that he, you know... You're not supposed
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  Speaker 4: to shit where you eat. Screw, that's basically what it means.
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  Speaker 4: Don't screw the people you're working with. You're the superior.
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  Speaker 4: And in this post-2025 world, it is not a good
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  Speaker 4: idea to do that. And could any of these women
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  Speaker 4: now have any kind of case to say, oh, if
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  Speaker 4: I was told if I didn't sleep with Jax, I
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  Speaker 4: wouldn't get the Saturday night shift and I make so
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  Speaker 4: much money off of selling drugs grandma's cheese mama or
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  Speaker 4: whatever that mama.
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  Speaker 2: Cheese ball or whatever that dip was that Britney was selling.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: Or are these girls just spilling the beans and nobody
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  Speaker 4: really cares? Anyway, also, allegedly he has been cut from BravoCon.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know if that's true, but I wouldn't be
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  Speaker 4: surprised if Yeah, I would have been shocked if he
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  Speaker 4: had come. But things can change. It's just a few
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  Speaker 4: months away, but I'll be there November 14th at the
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  Speaker 4: MGM Grand doing my Juicy Scoop live.
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  Speaker 2: The tickets are going fast.
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  Speaker 4: Don't forget to get those at heathermcdoll.net because once they're gone,
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  Speaker 4: they're gone.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. Oh, my God.
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  Speaker 4: Denise Richards says, Most horrible divorce ever. She's got her
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  Speaker 4: lawyers involved and she is begging the judge to step
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  Speaker 4: in and get Aaron and his family out of her
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  Speaker 4: home that she owns so that she can go in,
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  Speaker 4: get her belongings, get her pets and take. over the
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  Speaker 4: home that is hers. His family was living there for years.
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  Speaker 4: We saw her joke about it when they were happily together,
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  Speaker 4: or at least they looked like they were when they
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  Speaker 4: did their reality show. I don't know that that reality
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  Speaker 4: show is getting a second season on E!, but Denise
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  Speaker 4: Richards has gone to Instagram to express that she has
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  Speaker 4: been very appreciative of all the support as she goes
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  Speaker 4: through yet another horrific divorce. However, though, she seems to
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  Speaker 4: be getting along with her first husband, Charlie Sheen, now,
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  Speaker 4: and he's got a Netflix special coming out about his
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  Speaker 4: crazy life. But all of us have been very frustrated,
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  Speaker 4: and we feel that it's insane that he and his
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  Speaker 4: family are living in her residence, and she does not
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  Speaker 4: have access to it. So we hope that his parents,
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  Speaker 4: though they are older— go on their way and she's
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  Speaker 4: claiming that they have not been taking good care of
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  Speaker 4: the home and she is responsible for it.
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  Speaker 2: I want to take it back. I don't know that
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  Speaker 2: she owns it or.
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  Speaker 4: If she's just the name on the lease and she
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  Speaker 4: needs them to get out so that she can get
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  Speaker 4: it ready and return it back to the rightful owner
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  Speaker 4: or in fact she owns it. But the point is
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  Speaker 4: she's divorcing this guy and she doesn't have access to
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  Speaker 4: this home in which her name is on the legal papers.
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  Speaker 2: So Hopefully that'll work.
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  Speaker 4: Jussie Smollett, I watched that special and it's a Netflix
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  Speaker 4: special that I don't think anybody really needs to watch.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I don't think it is. I mean, come
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  Speaker 2: on with this.
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  Speaker 4: Basically what it was is, you know, the story of
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  Speaker 4: Jussie Smollett.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: He claims he went out at two.
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  Speaker 4: In the morning in a polar vortex and In the
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  Speaker 4: middle of winter in Chicago, because he was hungry and
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  Speaker 4: he wanted a Subway sandwich, he was met by two
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  Speaker 4: masked men screaming MAGA stuff who put a noose around
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  Speaker 4: his neck. And he then wiped his wounds and went
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  Speaker 4: home and called the police.
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  Speaker 2: The police came.
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  Speaker 4: He kept the noose on his neck and was still
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  Speaker 4: holding the Subway sandwich when they came. And he told
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  Speaker 4: his horrible tale of racism and homophobic crimes.
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  Speaker 2: Horrible, horrible, horrible. The world all believed him. I was
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  Speaker 2: on Wendy Williams talking about it, blah, blah, blah.
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  Speaker 4: Now he eventually got convicted of a crime of setting
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  Speaker 4: up a hoax because they found these two brothers that
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  Speaker 4: were extras on Empire, the show he's working on. And
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  Speaker 4: also one was his personal trainer. He also wrote him
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  Speaker 4: a check for $ 3, 600. And according to them, he told
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  Speaker 4: them to go do this. and do all these things
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  Speaker 4: in which one of them said, I said, I'm not
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  Speaker 4: putting the rope around your neck. You put it around yourself,
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  Speaker 4: but I'll do whatever you tell me to do. Now
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  Speaker 4: he's saying, no, I always told the truth, and this
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  Speaker 4: is why. This is the truth. And it wasn't them.
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  Speaker 2: I gave him a.
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  Speaker 4: Check for $ 3, 600 because I wanted a steroid that was
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  Speaker 4: illegal that he could get from his native country of
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  Speaker 4: Nigeria to lose belly fat. So no, I never asked
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  Speaker 4: them to do this. Then at the end, these two
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  Speaker 4: women come in to save the day who said, this
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  Speaker 4: is why we don't believe this. We think the Chicago
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  Speaker 4: Police Department was so corrupt and has such a reputation
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  Speaker 4: of racism that that they wanted to build up a
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  Speaker 4: great reputation. They found these brothers, realized there was a
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  Speaker 4: connection to Jussie Smollett and told them, you guys go
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  Speaker 4: and say this story that he told you to do.
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  Speaker 2: This and that you did this.
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  Speaker 4: And then we'll close the case and we'll say there
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  Speaker 4: were no two men that were white doing this. In fact,
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  Speaker 4: it was these men and Jussie hired them. And the
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  Speaker 4: evidence they have is that there's this old woman who
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  Speaker 4: lived in his building, Jesse's building. And she said, that
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  Speaker 4: night I did see a white man. I walked out
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  Speaker 4: to do my dog's business. It was about 1245 at nine.
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  Speaker 4: And I saw a man standing outside of our building
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  Speaker 4: in which I share with Jesse. We're in the same
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  Speaker 4: beautiful apartment building. And I saw him there and he
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  Speaker 4: was white and he had a white rope sticking out
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  Speaker 4: of his backpack.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: So I saw him. So I'm like, is this the.
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: Same woman from the Amy Bradley? Where's Amy Bradley doc?
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: Where the woman said, oh, I saw her in the
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: bathroom like 15 years later.
• 19:18
  Speaker 6: No, no.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: The reason I'm going to say, so you're telling me
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: that this guy is like, I'm just going to wait
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: outside in the middle of a polar vortex, which according
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: to people that live out there, like you really can't
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: be outside for more than like a few minutes without dying.
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: I'm just going to wait outside and hope that Jussie Smollett,
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: who I hate because he's gay and black, is going
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: to come out and maybe be hungry for a sandwich.
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: And then my friend and I will meet him, beat
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: him up, and put this noose around his neck so
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: he knows.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: That I am a racist asshole. So no, I don't
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: believe it.
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: But good for Jussie Smollett for getting some work with
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: this stupid Netflix doc. And he is also going to
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: be on Special Forces.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: So good for him.
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: The Menendez brothers were denied parole, both of them. And
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: It is, I think it's Eric's.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: I can't remember.
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: It's Eric or Lyle's. I think it's Eric's stepdaughter. He's
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: been married to his second wife for a very long time.
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: I think it's a second wife. Anyway, they both have
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: wives and multiple wives and cheated on the wives with
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: people coming to visit them. I can't keep track of
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: it all. But anyway, she's an adult and she's very,
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: very angry. She finds it completely unfair. And I, it's
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: my understanding. This is it. I, I, until the next parole,
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: but it's, it's not happening. And they were hoping that,
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: that they would get out, but it doesn't look like it.
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: And people are like, but they did such a great job.
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: They've been in jail. They've been teaching people and they've
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: had a perfect record and there's been no violence.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah. They're not violent. They're not violent.
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: They weren't violent before they took shotguns to their parents' heads. Um,
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: and they haven't been violent after because they're doing, you know,
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: Time in prison. Just because someone isn't getting in fights
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: with other inmates doesn't mean that they don't deserve to
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: spend the rest of their life in prison.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: That would be the argument. The other argument is they.
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: Won't hurt anybody when they come out and they were
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: horrible victims of child abuse and sexual abuse and therefore
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: they had to do this violent crime and then go
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: to Cheesecake Factory after and buy Rolexes and shop and
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: lie about it.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: But whatever.
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: Those are two arguments. come out and yell at me
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: in the comments. Also, and just like that, there's talk
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: that it might go to another network, that they have
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: the right to do that, that they could go to
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: another network since Atrium Max canceled it.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: And let's see where it goes.
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: So now I'm going to talk about the real housewives
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: of Miami because I have the latest, newest star of it, Stephanie.
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: She has her own plane. And If you are not
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: watching Real Housewives of Miami, like all of my interviews,
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: I guarantee you will find this very interesting.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: She is a.
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: Very unique character on these shows, and she talks about
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: why she has chosen a life, a child-free life by choice,
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: how she came to that, how she met her husband.
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: She clears up rumors. She explains the dynamic between she
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: and the other women. And you will not be lost
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: if you're not listening or watching the show. It's just
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: a really interesting interview about a woman who's with a
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: much older man that she's married to and how that
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: came about. And I found her really fascinating and funny
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: and interesting. So here's my interview with Stephanie from The
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: Real Housewives of Miami.
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• 23:21
  Speaker 5: I'm Darman, and this is What Happens Next. Each week
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: on the show, I sit down with extraordinary people who
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: have faced tremendous setbacks and yet somehow have found a
• 23:31
  Speaker 5: way to turn them into their greatest strengths.
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: Life is one long lesson of chaos.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: I'm heading to the Emmys, and I have police complaints
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: filed against me.
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: When your free will was about to be taken from you,
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: what would you do if it was given back?
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: Where did that need come from where you thought that
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: you had to succeed in order to feel loved?
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: He said, I have a work dad. I need a
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: home dad. What happens next?
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: When I came in, he started crying.
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: Everybody in life encounters hardships. What defines them is not
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: those hard moments that they go through. It's about what
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: happens next.
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: I decided to risk it all. I realized how valuable
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: every day was.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: You're worth the work.
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: Listen, Dara, I'm not going to pull punches. You can
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: use your voice even if it's shaped.
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: The stories are different, but the impact is the same.
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: Only one question matters. What happens next?
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop.
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: I'm very excited to talk to the newest housewife that
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: has us all talking from Real Housewives of Miami. It
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: is Stephanie Shojai. And let's just get into it. First
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: of all, how are you enjoying being on a show,
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: watching it back?
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: You know, this is a big deal.
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: You're on a top rated show and suddenly I'm sure
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: people know who you are. How are you feeling about
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: being recognized and all that in your life now?
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: I mean, honestly, it sounds crazy to say, but I
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: already joined the show with a following. So in Miami,
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: I feel like I was already pretty known. I haven't
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: really felt the craze yet from the show or something
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: that I feel like is significant. But it's nice. I
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: feel like the recognition for the company has been really great. Yeah.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: So let's kind of get into... Yes, I see you
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: already have almost 600,000 followers. You were a personality. I
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: heard that.
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: That you had been approached, you know, throughout the years
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: or people saying you should do it. So what made
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: you decide this was the time and you wanted to
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: go for it?
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: And you know, it's funny. I always said, I'm never
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: going to do it. I'm not going to do it.
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to be on housewives of Miami. But
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: then I shot a pilot, um, like two years ago. Um,
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: and I loved the act of having cameras in the office.
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: And I was like, okay, you know, I actually do
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: great on TV. Um, And unfortunately it didn't get picked
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: up when the pilot, uh, came back with notes. They
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: were like, we love Stephanie, but we need other cast
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: mates to like, you know, go, go click with her
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: and like be more on her vibe level. So we
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: shot it again with a new cast and unfortunately that
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: didn't get picked up. But the review again was Stephanie
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: has a very large personality and we want to make
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: sure we find cast mates that like match it. So, um,
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: I was like, okay, I'm clearly made it through the
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: second round of shooting pilots. I liked it. So it's
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: not going to get picked up because it's hard to
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: find other castmates that are great. If the opportunity comes
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: back and knocks, I might, you know, consider it. It
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: knocked again. And I was like, I think this is
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: the right time. You know, let me just try it.
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: I did it for really three main reasons. Reason number
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: one being like, you know, It looks fun to have
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: a bunch of girlfriends. I haven't been that type of girl.
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: I've never been this like social person and I've said
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: it on in the show and it's true. And I
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: feel like the people that knew me on socials and
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: they really know me in real life. I've never been
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: that type of girl to do girls night. You're never
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: going to see me out like hanging out at the
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: bar with my friends. It's just not me. So I
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: was like, this looks like it's really fun. Obviously, number two,
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: I thought it would be great to get more exposure
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: for our company, like a worldwide exposure. And then number three,
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: Larsa was like, no, because I'm good friends with Larsa.
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: She was like, being famous, it's going to be so
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: fun for you. and you should try it. I'm like, oh,
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: being famous kind of looks like it would be fun.
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: Let's try it. And that's really why I ended up
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: being like, I'm going to do it. Yeah.
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: I think in your case, I think it's all been
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: very positive because it is interesting to see someone that
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: comes in and you're like, oh, here's this younger woman
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: with the Birkins and.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: The PJ and everything.
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: But I don't think I've ever really seen that many
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: housewives that actually work and have multiple meetings and have
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: to perform and.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: Get stuff done.
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: And like in the last episode, when we see your husband,
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: he calls you cause he's like, there's stuff happening. Like
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: this is hard that you're doing this other job, which is,
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: you know, but they don't want to say that. So
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: it's like, you're doing this other thing with your friends.
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: But I mean, essentially you're going to come home to like,
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: I assume a shit ton of emails, right?
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: Oh my God, Heather, it was so crazy because I
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: was so naive and I pride myself in like being
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: so smart and so not naive. And I was naive
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: to think that like, oh, this looks easy. Like just go,
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: just keep me on camera for a little bit. I.
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: Cannot express to you how torture it was torturous. It
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: was for me to manage my duties at Shoma while
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: doing the housewives. I would, you obviously don't get to
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: see this and the viewers don't get to see this,
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: but like after we were done filming, I would pick
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: up the computer work for endless like hours and then
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: like have to get up and do it again. In particular,
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: the cast trip, which was brutal, uh, Um, for me, um,
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: that's why my husband was like, you need to come back.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: But I think a lot of people don't realize how
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: hard I work. They don't realize that I actually come
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: to the office on Saturdays and I sometimes come on
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: Sundays and I'm here till late at night. I come
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: early in the morning, but then again, I've always been
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: like this since I was little, I'm addicted to being productive.
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: I just don't feel well if I'm sitting at home
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: doing nothing. So I work really hard. I thought I
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: could manage both. I did it, obviously, but it was
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: definitely harder than I anticipated.
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: So let's go back a little bit to find a
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: little bit more about you, because I feel like definitely
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: as a viewer of the show, we don't know very
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: much about what got you to being married and in
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: this position that then led to Housewives Calling and having
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: a big social media following prior.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: So I love that you talked a.
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: That your mom was like, yeah, you might have a stash,
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: but you have to wait till you're 16. And while
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: you're at it, let's get your nose done. And I
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: do love, like, I do think that's really interesting when
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: someone has a glow up and how that kind.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: Of affects their whole personality.
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: Because growing up, you were not the one, you know,
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: that is seen as, you know, the most popular, most beautiful,
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: whatever person. And then you find yourself in kind of
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: this new body and confidence. Can you speak on that
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: a little bit?
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: Of course. So no, I definitely was like at one point,
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: my mom was, is beautiful. But when she was younger,
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: everybody was like, she's going to have the most beautiful baby.
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: And so when I was born, everyone's like, oh my God,
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: so excited to meet Stephanie. And they were like, dude,
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: what happened? It's like an ongoing joke in the family.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: They were like, uh, she, she had to put Heather,
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: she had to put bows on me all the time
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: because people thought I was a boy. So, I mean,
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: I really wasn't like this, like beautiful child that they
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: expected my mom, which has blonde hair and light eyes,
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: you know, she just like naturally blonde hair. But, um,
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: I didn't, you know, I went to school. I didn't
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: speak Spanish. I definitely wasn't the pretty popular girl. I
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: didn't speak much English. Like my house, when you came over,
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: smelled like Spanish food. Like it wasn't like, I was
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: like the cool girl, like you said. Um, And then
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: when my mom was like, you can shave at 16,
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: I was like, and she's like, let's get a nose job.
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: And we went to the doctor and I was so young.
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: The guy's like, we're going to do this. And we're
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: going to, he's like drawing it for me at 16.
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: I don't think I even had my driver's license at
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: the point at the time. I ended up getting it.
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: And then I looked in the mirror. I was like,
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: oh my God, it gave me such self-confidence. And I
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: actually got a lot of backlash about saying that my
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: mom told me that because people are like, oh, moms
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: can be so cruel. I don't look at it like
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: my mom was cruel. I look at it like she
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: is a realist and she knew this is going to
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: prevent her from feeling her best, being confident. And with time,
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: she's either going to do it now or she's going
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: to do it when she gets older. Let's just do
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: it now so she feels her best. And then obviously
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: that spiraled. And when I got older, I went into
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: Botox and fillers and Listen, I'm very pro do whatever
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: you can to make yourself feel prettier and give yourself
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: more self-confidence. So I don't shy away from any of
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: that stuff.
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: I think sometimes people are not honest enough about how
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: It's just a fact that appearance does make a difference,
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: not only in your self-confidence, but in doing that, having
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: a life that then you feel like, yeah, I fit into.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: I've had friends that.
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: Struggled with weight and then once they felt comfortable and
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: got to a place of a healthy weight that they
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: felt more, they did like dump that guy and get
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: to a level of a husband that they felt was like,
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: you know, better and more exciting. And they were more
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: exciting about like they were settling. And I feel like
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: that's such a taboo thing to say. Um, which I,
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: you know, and I, and I think a lot of
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: us do have moms that were like, you know, put
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: a little lipstick on, you'll feel better. Or you need to,
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: you know, you need to lose a few pounds, honey.
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: I'm being a friend to you. Like, I don't think
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: that's like, I think too often, you know, that's seen
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: as like, you're the worst almond mom.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, yeah, but if you don't do that
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: at all, are you really okay? being a great mom.
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: I think it's a hard struggle that mothers have.
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: It's so true, but I can't, I really can't thank
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: them enough. And them being my dad too, he was
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: so involved and he was like, Stephanie, you know, you
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: got to dress for the job that you want. You
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: got to dress to be addressed a certain way. You
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: have to look a certain, we live in a shallow
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: world and I don't know why people are so sensitive
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: to admit it. It is. I mean, I don't know
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: of Maybe Miami and L.A. are worse than New York.
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: But for the most part, we do live in a
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: shallow world. And I really am thankful that my parents
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: were like, Stephanie, you know, paint your nails, brush your hair. And,
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: you know, the nose job was obviously a major. But
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: I am very happy that my parents did that. I
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: don't want any kids ever. But if I did have
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: a child, I would probably do the same thing.
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: So just to get it clear, so you did grow
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: up in Miami. And what's your ethnic background?
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: Colombian. So I'm Colombian. I was born here. But, you know,
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: I spent so many months out of the year in
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: Colombia that I consider myself very Colombian. Also, my parents
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: don't really speak English. So they kind of sacrificed learning
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: English because they wanted us to be so strong in
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: Spanish and, like, reading and writing. The main language of
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: the house was Spanish. Their job... Well, my dad's job
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: was based very much in Latin America. So his the
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: Spanish was like the main language. I consider myself very Colombian.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: So did you grow up with money?
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: Listen, in looking back, I think we I mean, I
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: grew up with like BMWs. I didn't grow up with
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: Rolls Royces. I mean, I grew up with BMWs and
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: like a really nice house. I went to private school.
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: I didn't grow up in flying business class. So like
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: it's all relative. I wasn't on like food stamps.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: Right, right. No, I get it. So I was just
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: kind of wondering what that situation was.
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: So was it like you didn't have like armed guards
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: in front of your house and a staff of 12?
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no. And my mom made our
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: lunch boxes and they drove us to school. And like,
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: you know, we, we didn't really go out to eat often. We,
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: but you know, but I still had like the nicest
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: clothes and like, you know, nice shoes and stuff.
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: So, so now let's get into a couple of things.
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: Now you said I never wanted kids. So did you
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: know that at a, at a young age or did
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: you decide that after you became an adult?
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: Heather, I am so passionate about work. I'm so passionate
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: about being productive. I'm so passionate about like leaving the
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: house in the morning and going, doing something that like
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: produces or makes a change or just anything, like anything
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: that's not me at the house that I did for
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: a period of time, start thinking like, is there more
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: to life than just working and producing and being away
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: from home? And nobody really knows this, but I ended
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: up thinking like, okay, you know what, I'm going to
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: put Shoma on hold for a little bit at the
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: beginning of me working here. Everyone was saying, you know,
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: like Masoud's really wealthy. Like, why do you need to
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: go to work all the time? Like you, you're going
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: to regret this. And I believed everybody. I went to
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: Williams Sonoma and I packed up the car with like
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: pasta makers and carrot, cucumber, like cutters. I don't know,
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: a bunch of stuff. I came home and I was like,
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: I'm going to make dinners for my husband. And Heather,
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: I was miserable, miserable. I remember calling him and being like,
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: dinner's gonna be ready in an hour. Don't be late
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: because it's gonna get cold. He was late. The food
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: got cold. Like the plate didn't look good anymore. The
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: kitchen was a mess. Granted, I had help, but I
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: was like, this sucks. This is so hard. I just
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: stayed here all day to make this guy fresh pasta.
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: husbands are not showing up on time to eat it.
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: I was like, this is not for me. And then
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: I realized, like, imagine I'm this frustrated about him not
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: making it in time for the pasta. I have to
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: now feed three kids that are probably not going to
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: want my food. And they're going to turn teenagers, not
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: want to hang out with me. Like, this is like,
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: this is not a rewarding job. I don't feel like
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: this is rewarding. So then I started convincing myself, like,
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: this is not for me. And then I was like,
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: what if they get sick? I can't just cancel, you know,
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: my podcast with Heather because my kid has a fever.
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: Like I, I have an agenda to go. So I
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: convinced myself that it's just not for me.
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: I think it's really refreshing that, you know, women today
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: have the choice.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: And it's not shameful and you always know.
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: Like me personally, I knew at a very young age,
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: like I want to be a mom no matter what,
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: even if I do it on my own. And, you know,
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: and I, my sister is a mom, but she struggled
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: with getting pregnant prior to becoming pregnant.
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: And she had a neighbor that was fabulous.
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: And she and her husband were like artsy fartsy and
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: like took photos and Joshua tree and all this other stuff.
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: And she ever wanted to be a mom.
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: And I said, Don't you, do you ever envy the
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: people that know that they never want to be a mom?
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: And we both are like, yeah, because if you do
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: and you have trouble attaining and it's so hard, but
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: if you are happy and you know, like. This really
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: isn't for me. It's not a huge desire of mine.
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: I don't feel like I'm missing out. I think that's
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: really refreshing to voice it in a public platform. I
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: think that's probably... I'm sure you've heard from a lot
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: of people that feel the same way.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: And I want to just.
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: One little funny story that popped in my head about
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: my own mom is.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: So my mom... My mom did get.
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: Her parents sent her off to an all-girl Catholic high
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: school because back then it was like those schools were
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: actually made so that women would then go on to
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: have a career and not just like get knocked up
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: like the private all-girl schools. So she was working, met
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: my dad in advertising, but then had all these kids
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: and loved, like really was a stay-at-home mom.
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: And she said, the reason I went into.
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: Real estate after I was like five years, six or
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: seven years old, after the five kids, is she said,
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: one day I made gingerbread cookies for the five kids.
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: And your dad came home and the house was a mess.
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: And he was like, what did you do all day?
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: And she said, I made gingerbread cookies. And he said, oh,
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: can I have one? And she said, no, they're all eaten.
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: And then she said, I realized I had nothing to show.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: For my day.
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: And of course, I was going to listen to this
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: and like, yeah, but it's the memories and blah, blah, blah.
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: But it is kind of a funny thing of someone
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: that wants to be productive and show whatever that might be.
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: And that's what I think is great about women today
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: is that, yes, you can be a stay at home mom.
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: You can have these 10 or 20 years just doing
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: that and feel so fulfilled. But for the woman that
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: needs to feel like there's an actual productive result, whether
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: it's a paycheck or a building that's being built or whatever.
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: That should also be, you know, equally respected. And I think,
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: you know, we as women need to support each other
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: more and judge a lot less.
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: I totally agree. And when I came out and said
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: that I didn't want kids, you know, so many people
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: were like, oh, my God, finally, someone's going out there
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: and saying it. But of course, you get the ones
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: that are like, oh, you know, you're so shallow and
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: you should have kids and stuff. And it's just not
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: it's not my calling. Um, and you know what? I'm
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: glad that it's not my calling because I actually don't
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: think I can probably have kids because my husband has kids.
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: I've never used protection and I've never gotten pregnant. So
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: clearly I don't think that I, okay.
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: So what happens if tomorrow, I mean, you're like, yes,
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: you never know. It's not going to happen because he
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: has a vasectomy or what?
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: How do you know it never happened?
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: No, because I– Heather, I am no spring chicken. I
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: am going to be 41.
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: If it hasn't happened– Don't speak too soon.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: You don't know. And then you know what?
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: And I think you would have a great attitude about it.
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: I think you'd be like, I guess this is meant
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: to be. I have all these resources. And it would
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: be amazing, you know. So it's just like I think
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: you're really in a great position now.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: In your life.
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: Um, I do want to clear up some rumors of
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: how you did meet your husband. I've heard different things
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: that you were his ex-wife's assistant.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: And then you met him.
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: Like, what is the real, what's the story of how
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: you guys met fell in love?
• 41:23
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: I'm going to give you the timeline.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: I met my husband in 2013 at a Miami heat game.
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: Um, Wait, I just need to know how. Are you
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: at the bar or like how are you talking to him?
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: Okay. First, let me start off by saying I was
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: never his ex-wife's assistant. I've never met the lady. Okay.
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: I've never met the lady, period.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: To this day?
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: No, this day we have never met. I actually encourage
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: anybody that has any email of her and I communicating
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: if I was her assistant to come out with the
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: email or a photograph of her and I, because usually
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: you would have photographs with your assistant. Okay. Anything that
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: indicates that I worked for her or for Masood before
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: I got together, it doesn't exist because I've never met her.
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: So that's the main thing. I was at a Miami
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: Heat game with one of my guy friends and we
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: were at the bar hanging out and somebody that was
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: with Masood walked up to me and was like, oh, Mr.
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: Masood Shojai would like to meet you. And I turned
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: around and I was like, who's Masood Shojai? And I'm like,
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to walk over to a guy. The
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: friend that I was with told me, he's a very
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: big real estate developer. You're in real estate. You guys
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: should meet and potentially talk about business. I was like,
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: that's nice, but I'm not walking over to him. So
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: Long story short, Masoud ended up walking over to me.
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: We briefly spoke. He asked me for my telephone number.
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: I gave it to him. I told him, uh, we
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: can discuss if I can get some of your listings
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: in real estate. He's like, okay, sure. We'll talk about
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: it over dinner. Heather, he called me the next day
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: to plan a dinner. I had Googled him and I
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: was like, it looks like he's married. Uh, And I'm
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: not into this. So I told him a suit via text.
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, but I need to cancel. I don't feel comfortable,
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: you know, going out with somebody that's older than me.
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: You know, my reputation is really important to me in
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: South Florida and I need to cancel this dinner. He
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: was like, oh, okay. He tried again a month later
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: and I'm like a month, three weeks, whatever. And I
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: was like, I don't, I don't feel good. Like I
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: just made up an excuse and we didn't end up
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: going out. That was 2013 Heather. Fast forward to 2014,
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: one year later, again, LA Lakers, Miami Heat. I really
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: like to go to that particular game. Now we're in 2014.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: You've got some luck there.
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: I am now there with my sister. I'm sitting in
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: my seat, and I get a text message. I look
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: at my phone. It's Masoud. And he was like, this
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: is the last time I'm going to ask you. You've
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: been ignoring me. I have a story to tell. I'm separated.
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: I'm not married. You need to get my story from me.
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: I'm really interested in taking you out to dinner. We
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: could talk business. We could talk whatever. But I'm trying
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: to tell you, but you're not listening to me, that
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: I've been separated for many years. So... I call my
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: mom and I'm like, there's this guy. And she's like, oh,
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: I've heard of it. I've heard of him in like
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: the news. I'm like, yeah, but I think I don't
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: like he's saying he's separated. I don't know. She was like,
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: you know, just meet network people's network for like business.
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: You're in real estate. Now we're still in 2014. I
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: accept to go out with him. We talk at dinner.
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: We go to a very public restaurant here in Miami.
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: So that indicated to me right away, like if you're
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: taking me to a really public place, you're not trying
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: to hide me. It's not like you took me to
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: some like little restaurant. We're in a very public restaurant.
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: We had the best time and we spoke and I
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: was like, what's the deal? And he was like, you
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: can ask anyone around in Miami. I am separated. I'm
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: not divorced. We definitely don't sleep in the same bed.
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: We sometimes live in different homes. I don't want to
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: get divorced because I don't want to split the pie.
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: And because, you know, my kids, you know, I didn't
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: want them to have a stepdad. I wanted to be
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: part of like a strong father figure for my kids.
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: And I was like, okay, well, so then what are
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: you looking for me? And he's like, well, I don't know.
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: This is our first date. You know, what do you mean?
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, I mean, eventually, like, are
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: you going to get a divorce? And he was like,
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: I've been dating. I've been going out. It's very open,
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: but I'm not going to split my pie in half
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: unless I feel like it's somebody that's worth it.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: That was 2014.
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: We continued to go out. And in 2015, the divorce
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: was filed. And I knew right then that we were,
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: we were really serious. You know, I, I knew that
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: it was going to be a serious thing. Um, so
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: that was now 2015 filed for divorce. The divorce took
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: a really long time, as you can imagine, because it's,
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: it's a lengthy divorce and there was a lot to
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: split down the middle. Um, 2018, the divorce is finalized.
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: That was in February of 2018. The divorce is finalized in, uh,
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: what was it? Cause I have the actual dates for you.
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: February 2018, the divorce was finalized. April 2018, I decided
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: to change my name with Masoud thought it was like,
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: it's fine. Change your name because we're going to get married.
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: I changed my name after they divorced. And then a
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: year later.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: So you took his name before you were married?
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
• 46:40
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: I was already working in the company. People already knew like,
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: you know, We were together. It was a matter of- And.
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: Can you just go to the social security office and
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: just change your name without like a marriage certificate?
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I went and I went with him. Of course,
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: I went with him and we said, you know, we're
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: going to get married and she wants to change her
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: last name. And, you know, I really liked the initials SS.
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: He was already divorced. It was already finalized.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: So I changed my name and then we got married
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: like 10 months later in the court.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: So I have no- So you didn't have a big wedding?
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: No, Heather. I didn't have a big wedding because- A,
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: we've established I don't have a lot of friends. I mean,
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: it sounds horrible, but like I don't like I don't
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: I didn't have like a lot of friends.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: Did you go to college?
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: But you didn't do like a sorority or anything like that?
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: No.
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: Oh, no, no, no.
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: I wasn't into it. As a matter of fact, I
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: would come home like every weekend. It was FSU. I
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: came home every weekend like to be with my parents.
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: I always hung out with my mom and my dad. Listen,
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: I've never been a very social person.
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: And for the most part, I've always been an alpha female.
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: Alpha females in general– they don't tend to be running
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: in packs all the time. Like that's from like, that's
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: how I believe they just, they don't like need a
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: bunch of group, like a group all around. But anyway,
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: to answer your question, I didn't have a lot of friends.
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: The relationship was very much like people had opinions about it.
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: Because what is the age difference?
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: 24 years.
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: And you did your parents have any concerns about?
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: Oh, my parents loved him because Masoud, when you meet him,
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: has the best, funniest personality ever. And I think my
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: parents just knew like, oh my gosh, she's so happy.
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: She's met her match. Like they're just like really, really
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: get along. If you hang out with me and Masoud
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: for like an hour, you're going to be like, I
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: totally get this relationship. Like there's nothing not to get.
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: I mean, I definitely can see it just watching that
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: there is a real connection and respect. And, you know,
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: there's certain couples that you know, have their dynamics. And there's,
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: there's some that are very much like, you know, into
• 48:54
  Speaker 4: each other and spending time with each other. And I
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: think that that does translate on the TV. Was that
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: one of the things that you said early on in
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: dating is like, um, I don't want to have kids.
• 49:04
  Speaker 4: Cause I would think that would be a relief to
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: someone that age that already has kids. They don't really,
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: so many times the second wife says they don't want
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: to have kids. And then they're like, if you don't
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: give me a baby, I'm out. And now the guy
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: is crippled walking around, you know, Orlando, Florida and 110
• 49:18
  Speaker 4: degree heat with a baby. And he's like, this is
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: not what I signed up for, you know? So did
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: you convey that early on in the relationship?
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: So, no, I had told, he had asked me if
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: I wanted kids. I was like, I don't think so.
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: But believe it or not, like three, four years into
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: the relationship, he was like, you know, I know that
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: we discussed it, but if you want to have a baby,
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: like I, I'm all here for it. And I was like,
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: I don't know where this is coming from. Like, are
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: you wanting one? And then we had a conversation and
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: he was like, oh, it would be cute. And then
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: I always joke with him. I'm like, I don't want
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: to push a stroller and a wheelchair at the same time.
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: Like he gets my humor, you know, but to go
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: back to the wedding thing, a lot of people had
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: things to say. And I was like, why are we
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: going to invite people? Spend a ton of money. Half
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: of them are going to talk shit. They're going to
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: say something about the food, my dress, and or the
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: fact that we got together.
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: Why?
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: So what I chose was a month-long honeymoon in Dubai,
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: the Maldives, and– Thailand with my mom and my dad.
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: Now a month long trip with the people that I
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: love most has been the best memories rather than being
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: able to show people that I had a wedding and
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: you know, I don't even speak to half the people
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: that went there and they didn't like the cake.
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: I also think that is so valuable and refreshing. I've
• 50:35
  Speaker 4: never really heard someone say that, that no, when they
• 50:39
  Speaker 4: know they're in a relationship and even if they had
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: a big party, that there'd be a majority of people
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: that would go in the bathroom and talk shit. And
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: it's funny because when I got married, my husband had
• 50:52
  Speaker 4: a child and I've shared the story.
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: It's a very juicy story.
• 50:56
  Speaker 4: It's basically, you know, he impregnated a woman the weekend
• 51:00
  Speaker 4: before meeting me. So the baby, they were not in
• 51:03
  Speaker 4: a relationship and we've been married 25 years.
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: She lives with us. She calls me mom.
• 51:09
  Speaker 4: I raised her, you know, it all worked out, but
• 51:11
  Speaker 4: it's a very juicy, like lifetime movie story. But I
• 51:15
  Speaker 4: told my parents, you know, we're going to get married
• 51:19
  Speaker 4: and there is an infant, you.
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: Know, you know, which is juicy.
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: Like when I went to the church, they were like,
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: I said, there's a seven month old baby. And they
• 51:27
  Speaker 4: were like, uh, oh, I thought you were going to
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: say seven years old, you know? And I'm like, well,
• 51:31
  Speaker 4: she's seven months. And like, so, you know, she only
• 51:34
  Speaker 4: knows her parents not to be together. She knows that, like,
• 51:37
  Speaker 4: I thought of all the benefits, you know? And I'm like,
• 51:39
  Speaker 4: what if I can't have kids?
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: I have a beautiful daughter. You know, I don't know
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: what my future holds.
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: But I knew that if I let that out before
• 51:47
  Speaker 4: the wedding, because we had a, you know, traditional wedding, church,
• 51:50
  Speaker 4: country club wedding, I knew there would be people in
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: the bathroom.
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: I literally said that.
• 51:55
  Speaker 4: I go, I don't want people to know besides like
• 51:57
  Speaker 4: only one of my sisters knew and one best friend knew.
• 52:00
  Speaker 4: I'm telling you, nobody else knew from my family. I said, I, I,
• 52:05
  Speaker 4: then when we get married and come back, I will
• 52:07
  Speaker 4: then say, I'm so lucky I'm a stepmother, you know,
• 52:10
  Speaker 4: because I knew that people would judge it. I knew
• 52:13
  Speaker 4: people would be like, you shouldn't get married. I knew
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: they'd be talking shit in the bathroom. And I, That's
• 52:20
  Speaker 4: just very interesting that you had the foresight to know
• 52:24
  Speaker 4: and not kid yourself that these fake people would act
• 52:27
  Speaker 4: like we love them and then get on the phone
• 52:30
  Speaker 4: and talk shit. I think that's really... Very refreshing, actually.
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: Which I think, you know, it's so and I saw
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: your face when I said that I didn't have a
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: lot of friends and did it, you know, if I
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: had friends in college and stuff. But I want to
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: touch base on that because it's been really big on
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: the show. It's been really big. And the Reddit threads
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: and people saying, no wonder she doesn't have friends is
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: why she can't keep friends. I think that's what it is, Heather.
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: I've been so avoidant of people judging and talking shit
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: behind my back and like not true friends and backstabbing
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: and like just not being happy for you. or not
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: understanding you. And like, I wanted to go home every
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: weekend to be with my mom and dad. That was
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: not really understood in school. Like, why do you have to, like, why?
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: So I just avoid so much having to surround myself
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: with negativity and gossip that I just end up, you
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: end up kind of being alone. I go three or
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: four friends and it's not that bad in the way
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: the world takes it. Like, oh, no wonder she doesn't
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: have friends. Twitter's full of, she has no friends. And
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: we can see why. I mean, really, I just like
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: peaceful living. And if my peaceful living includes three people,
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: then so be it.
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: I think that's great.
• 53:40
  Speaker 4: And I will say being in this world where I'm
• 53:43
  Speaker 4: a comedian and I talk about.
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: The housewives, I've always loved it. It's been a big
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: part of Juicy Scoop.
• 53:48
  Speaker 4: And when I've had my, you know, friends that do
• 53:51
  Speaker 4: what I do, there's been friendship breakups and stuff.
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: And in small little things, you know, circles of whatever.
• 53:59
  Speaker 4: But when I thought it was fascinating how fans of
• 54:03
  Speaker 4: mine or housewives or whatever are so intrigued by friend,
• 54:08
  Speaker 4: female friendship breakups and whose fault it was and what happened.
• 54:12
  Speaker 4: And part of that is why it's, why housewives are
• 54:16
  Speaker 4: so successful because it's, it's kind of looking at these
• 54:19
  Speaker 4: female friendships and, You know, that these two are best friends,
• 54:22
  Speaker 4: but could they be broken up? And do they break
• 54:24
  Speaker 4: up because of the housewife media circle? Or was it
• 54:29
  Speaker 4: really something we saw on the show? So I do
• 54:30
  Speaker 4: think it's really why we love the show. But I
• 54:33
  Speaker 4: also think it's really interesting that you, at a young age,
• 54:38
  Speaker 4: kind of recognize that about women, unfortunately. And, you know,
• 54:43
  Speaker 4: that someone sees the young girl with the older guy
• 54:45
  Speaker 4: and just wants to immediately think that the intentions are
• 54:49
  Speaker 4: not true love.
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: And, you know, since a very young age, I saw
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: it and I felt it. And I was just like,
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: I don't want to compete. Like, I'm like, if they're like,
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: Heather just got, you know, I don't know, a huge gig.
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: I'm going to be so happy for you. Like anything
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: that happened, like anything, you get a new purse, a car.
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: I genuinely just want to be. And I don't like
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: to surround myself with people that like, we're fine. And
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: then like two minutes later, you're talking shit, which I
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: think played a major part also in the housewives where like,
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: When I sensed that somebody was saying something, I immediately say, like,
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: what's the problem? And I get over it, but I
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: have to tell you that I know what you said
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: and I'm angry. I just like things to be, like,
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: to your face, not, you know, behind your back.
• 55:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so jumping to the show in episodes that have
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: already aired. So you guys go to Spain and you
• 55:40
  Speaker 4: do have the private jet, which is, you know, ultimate
• 55:43
  Speaker 4: luxury there. And you're like, I can't bring everybody. I'm
• 55:46
  Speaker 4: not going to bring everybody. So let's go kind of
• 55:48
  Speaker 4: through how we're going to invite the people, which.
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: I thought was like totally fair.
• 55:52
  Speaker 4: And I also thought Julia was very honest where she's like, no,
• 55:55
  Speaker 4: I'm not giving up a private jet to sit next
• 55:58
  Speaker 4: to my friend.
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: We're all friends. We see each other all the time.
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: You're a grown woman.
• 56:01
  Speaker 4: It's not like it'd be one thing if you're like, hey,
• 56:04
  Speaker 4: you can come on the jet, but your three-year-old daughter can't.
• 56:06
  Speaker 4: And then she leaves a three-year-old child or she brought
• 56:09
  Speaker 4: her boys. And they went on the plane without, okay,
• 56:12
  Speaker 4: that's a little something someone can maybe judge. Even then,
• 56:15
  Speaker 4: I think a lot of women would be like, with
• 56:17
  Speaker 4: a proper nanny, I'm okay with it. I still think
• 56:22
  Speaker 4: maybe not if they're little, but whatever. But yeah, this
• 56:24
  Speaker 4: is an ultimate luxurious moment. Who would want to miss
• 56:27
  Speaker 4: out on that? You don't get invited on a private jet.
• 56:29
  Speaker 4: many times in your life, even if you're at a
• 56:32
  Speaker 4: level of, you know, wealth and fame.
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: So I thought you handled it really well.
• 56:36
  Speaker 4: And then when we share that you even let them
• 56:39
  Speaker 4: have like the bigger bed or whatever, I think that
• 56:42
  Speaker 4: just shows that you were like, yeah, I get this
• 56:44
  Speaker 4: all the time, but for you, it's an experience and
• 56:46
  Speaker 4: I want to make it a nice experience.
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: And I don't think, sorry, I don't think people got
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: to see that in reality, I gave them my bed
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: and I gave Adriana the second bed and I did
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: not lay down Really, the rest of the flight, like
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: I was catering to making sure that everybody was fine
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: and I went to sit on the seat. I'm really
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: not as bad as some people like to make me
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: out to be. You know, it was fun picking who
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: could go and who could not go. But it was still,
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: you know, playing checkers. I couldn't invite Lisa because she would,
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: you know. Her and Larsa would yank each other's hair out.
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: Julia and Gertie, I had invited Julia first, so I
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: couldn't have invited Gertie. It had nothing to do with
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: me not liking Lisa or me not liking Gertie. I
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: love them all, as a matter of fact. We all
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: became very close. It was just very strategic on who
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: could come. At the end of the day, another thing
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: people don't notice is that if you're on a commercial
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: flight and a fight breaks out, you know the pilot
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: has to do an emergency landing.
• 57:45
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: If a fight breaks out on a private plane, the
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: pilot still has to land. Like he can't, he can't
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: just continue on with the whole fight. So I needed
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: to make sure that it was a safe, fine group
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: that would get along for seven hours.
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: I can see all that. That's amazing.
• 58:03
  Speaker 4: Speaking of Larsa and Lisa, I really thought the storyline
• 58:09
  Speaker 4: is funny and relatable that Lisa has continued to follow
• 58:14
  Speaker 4: Marcus and, And I do think it's weird. And I
• 58:18
  Speaker 4: am on Larsa's side on this because I'm like, well,
• 58:21
  Speaker 4: is his content that exciting?
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: Like, why do you have to follow him? It seems
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: so weird.
• 58:27
  Speaker 4: I could see if you accidentally, like, even when like, um,
• 58:30
  Speaker 4: Adriana's like, I still follow Lenny.
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: Like, yeah, she probably was like, I'm still following. She's like,
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: I'm probably still, I probably didn't.
• 58:37
  Speaker 4: It's one thing just not to think about like, oh,
• 58:39
  Speaker 4: now let me physically unfollow.
• 58:43
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 58:43
  Speaker 4: But once it was revealed to Lisa, like, it really
• 58:46
  Speaker 4: bothers me that you still talk to him and follow
• 58:48
  Speaker 4: him and why you met him through me.
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: And I totally agree with Larsa.
• 58:54
  Speaker 4: Once they break up, once a couple breaks up, which
• 58:58
  Speaker 4: she said, even if my grandma divorced my grandpa, I'd
• 59:02
  Speaker 4: be like, sorry, grandpa, not going to follow you on
• 59:04
  Speaker 4: Instagram anymore. Like I, I totally agree with that. Quick
• 59:08
  Speaker 4: question though, because this popped up and I forgot about it.
• 59:11
  Speaker 4: We know that Larsa at one time was very close
• 59:14
  Speaker 4: to Kim Kardashian and was seen on the show and
• 59:16
  Speaker 4: they were very close.
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: And I heard her do an interview a while ago about.
• 59:21
  Speaker 4: There was something when, when they were going through the
• 59:23
  Speaker 4: Kanye stuff, Kanye like called Larsa to like maybe bring
• 59:28
  Speaker 4: her in to try to help a fight or whatever.
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: After that, they broke up.
• 59:32
  Speaker 4: But I wonder when did, you know, if Larsa didn't
• 59:36
  Speaker 4: stop following Kanye quick enough, you know what I mean?
• 59:38
  Speaker 4: Like what, you know, maybe she learned from that and
• 59:42
  Speaker 4: was like, the minute that happens, you cannot be a
• 59:46
  Speaker 4: counselor to two.
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah. That I have no idea because I didn't know
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: her at that time. And then I never really asked her,
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: but I can tell you that Larsa, uh, She really,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: and I hope, you know, it stays like this forever,
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: but she's one of the most loyal friends that I
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: have met. And like, you know, in a short period
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: of time, she is diehard, like loyal. Like she's not
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: joking when she probably would unfollow her grandpa. Like that
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: is just, she's really like that, like to a fault.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: And I feel like if somebody doesn't give that back
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: to her, she like loses it. She loses it because
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: she really gives you that loyalty. So she, yeah, she
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: can't handle it if you don't give it back to her.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 4: You do not need to comment on this, but this
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 4: is what I do think happened between she and Kim,
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 4: which has happened to a lot of people in my life,
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 4: is that Kim shared a lot about her marriage with
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 4: Larsa and then was almost sort of embarrassed and then
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 4: just kind of separated herself And it wasn't– and Larsa
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 4: was that good friend that was on the phone with
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 4: her all the time. And sometimes that happens when a
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 4: couple breaks up or they break up and then they
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 4: get back together. They almost are like they dumped the
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 4: girlfriend because– I don't know. So I, that's what I,
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 4: you know, I need to comment, but that's what I.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: Personally think happened.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 4: I do think Larsa was always a good friend and
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 4: maybe too good of a friend.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: And I do see that in the show.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 4: And so I am team Larsa in watching it because
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 4: I think it's very obvious and I think it's a relationship,
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 4: a dynamic that I have seen play out in my
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 4: own normal life with friends and people breaking up and
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 4: getting divorced.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that would make sense just because of what the Larsa,
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: the Larsa that I currently know, like the Larsa that
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: like I met is very loyal. So that could be
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: a theory. I don't know.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 4: I love that you called out Lisa on being late.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 4: I want to make sure I was not a second
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 4: late for this Zoom. And obviously, yeah, there is that
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 4: that is. crazy that, um, I did, I did a
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 4: podcast with her. She was not late, but, um, I.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: Might have something, I might've had something to do with that. No,
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: she's not late anymore.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 4: And I think, but I think that is a very interesting,
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 4: I think that's kind of a funny thing too, because
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 4: I believe everybody in this world is either on time
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 4: or early, always 15 minutes late, or like an hour late. Like,
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 4: I don't know anybody that's like a 30, a 30
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 4: second late, you know, a 30 minute late.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: It's always that, right?
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 4: I have like a couple of friends, like my sister
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 4: and my best friend, they're always 15, always.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 3: So for like 20 years.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 4: And then, and then, and then I had a friend
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 4: that's no longer a friend that was hour, hour and
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 4: a half.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: And I was like, is that why you're not friends
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: with her anymore?
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: Like it wasn't too fucking much.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 4: Like it's one thing to just calculate.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 4: That if I say 5.45, my girl's showing up at six.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: Now I know it. I don't try to hide it.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: I don't try to change her.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 4: But it's that really long late that just is so rude.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: Like, how are you not looking at the clock and panicking?
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: Because it's someone who's on time.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 4: I have a full panic, you know, and I'm driving
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 4: in LA and LA traffic. And that's why I'm always
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 4: like 15 minutes early because you have to, you know.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 4: So what were you going to say? You said you
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 4: have a funny story.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: I have a funny story. So my husband and I, we,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: we really are like just yin yang, always get together,
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: but we fight. So thank God I've helped fix him.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 3: But like, he is.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: Persian.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: And Persians, for the most part, are known for being late.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's a stereotype. Heather, he was late for everything.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: And I would lose it in the car. My personality
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 3: that you see is my real personality. I'm super snappy.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: It's just like a chihuahua. I'll just start yapping away.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 3: And I was like, I can't do this. We're so disrespectful.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: We're late. And he would, at one point, was like,
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 3: you need to get out and get yourself an Uber.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: And I was like, I'm never driving with you. And
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: then finally I was like, this isn't going to work.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 3: Like I will meet you at the restaurant and I'll
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: see you when I see you. Our friends are going
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: to know that it's you that's disrespectful, not me, because
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: I am so insane about being punctual. Thankfully I fixed him.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: Now it's like, he's only like six, seven minutes late
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: and That to me is very much progress, you know?
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: So I've done a good job. I'm fixing people left
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: and right here.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: You said the little chihuahua thing. How little are you?
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 3: Oh my God. Everybody's asking me. I'm 5'2. I weigh
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 3: 125 pounds. I am very, I'm very petite.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you are petite. I mean, I couldn't.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 4: It's like sometimes you can't tell, like, you know, like
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 4: in your gown, like in the opening, you know, and
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 4: then when you see you like walk into your room
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 4: and you have platform shoes on and you're still little.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: I was like, how little is this person?
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 3: I'm tiny, but the worst part is that my arms
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: are super short. So it's like makes me even smaller.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: I have like little arms. My husband calls me T-Rex
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: because I'm like, so it was funny. I have a
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: really good sense of humor. Nothing really insults me that much,
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: except when people tell me I was his ex's assistant.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 3: That makes my blood boil.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 4: I wonder how these stories come about because I've noticed
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 4: as someone who's been into Housewives for 20 years that
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 4: lately there's been weird, for lack of a better word.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: Fake news.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 4: It'll look like a news article and then an Instagram
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 4: account or something will pick it up. And people will
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 4: like want to put it in my like Facebook group
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 4: for Juicy Scoop.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, I don't think this is true.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 4: This isn't coming from like Bravo.com or Page Six or whatever.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, what is this?
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 4: And I think people are just bored and they just
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 4: pull it out of their ass.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: I mean, listen. I'm not going to say that I
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: got together with Masoud in a conventional way. I didn't.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 3: It wasn't conventional. I won't be the first. I won't
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: be the last of somebody that dates a separated man.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: Masoud will also not be the last guy that doesn't
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 3: want to get a divorce to not split the pie.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: And if they do end up wanting to split the pie,
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 3: waiting to meet somebody that's worth it. Our situation is
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 3: not the norm. Do I regret it? Absolutely not. Do
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 3: I feel bad? I wasn't the cause of that relationship ending.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 3: That relationship had been long done for eight, 10 years.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 3: If people don't want to believe it, that's on them.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 3: And where did it start? It started on Reddit and
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 3: people are saying, I heard it on Reddit. Like that's
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: not very, you know, that's not a reliable source. No.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 4: And that's anonymous and people could write anything. I mean,
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 4: people could say Heather McDowell.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: Eats puppy brains to stay thin.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 4: And that could be picked up and been like, I
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 4: saw her at Petco, you know, and I saw her
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 4: buying a puppy that we've never seen in an Instagram photo.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: And then someone's like, proof, proof that she, like, it
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: gets crazy.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 4: And it's, you know, it's, yeah, it's, that is so, yeah,
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 4: that's really, that's really interesting that you say all that.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: It's true.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 4: I'm, I'm also, there's another rumor, if I just can
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 4: say that I saw that, The reason that Dr. Nicole
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 4: left the show was because at one time you dated
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 4: her now partner.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: Yes. Anthony and I dated. Okay. 20 years ago. To me,
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 3: it was a serious relationship. I was young. I mean,
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 3: I don't know. Probably not serious to him because he was,
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 3: you know... like older, like older than me. I think
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 3: he was like eight, seven years older than me. Um,
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 3: we ended fine. He broke up with me. There's like
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 3: no hard feelings. Like we don't speak. We haven't spoken
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: in a long time. Nicole and I also had never
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 3: met until we met on that zoom the one time. Um,
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: and then afterwards we went to Gertie's birthday party, but
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 3: If she didn't come for me, that's news to me.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: That's what people are saying. But you have to meet me.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 3: I'm actually a nice person.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: I've never heard her come for you at all.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 4: That was just, again, the behind-the-scenes rumor of why she–
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 4: and I not knowing anything. I was like, well, it
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 4: wouldn't be the first time that housewives– maybe on purpose,
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 4: find an ex, you know, or something to bring on
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 4: that's in the community that knows the girls to spark something.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 4: And then she was like, I'm out. But once I
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 4: heard that, oh my God, it was 20 years ago
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 4: and it was fine.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: And like, no, we didn't talk after we broke up,
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: which you shouldn't.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 4: I don't think people should be friends with their ex
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 4: unless you're sharing kids. So like I, but again, like,
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 4: It is interesting that then those things go, you know,
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 4: people want to find like.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: More of a, you know, a juicy story behind it.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 3: You know, I think Nicole's fabulous. She's great. We're very different.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 3: Like Nicole's like the modest, more humble, like not show off.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: She's like super sweet. Like. Totally opposite than me. I'm
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 3: a show off. I'm loud. I'm picking fights with everybody.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 3: Like we're totally different, but we could still get along.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 3: There's no point of pinning us against each other. She's fabulous.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 3: We have different personalities. I mean, there's nothing that we
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 3: don't have anything against each other.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 4: Well, speaking of which, do you think because you say
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 4: Alexia is. coming for me because I do think she
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 4: has some insecurities and seeing you with your success.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: And your wealth and everything.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 4: How do you feel about that now without revealing like
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 4: any spoilers, but how did you conclude that that was
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 4: the situation?
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 3: So I wasn't saying that she was insecure about me
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 3: being successful or what I have. I truly don't believe
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: that that's the case. I was saying you're insecure based
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 3: on the, moment that she was unfortunately going through with
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 3: Todd that it was making her in general insecure had
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 3: nothing to do with what I brought or didn't bring.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 3: And a lot of it had to do with a
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 3: comment that she made, um, that said you wouldn't have
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 3: joined this group if your marriage was great or something
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 3: like that. And then we got into an argument, uh,
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 3: It aired. It was, it was outside of, it was
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 3: outside of Gertie's thing. And, um, or she said something
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 3: along the lines and then it triggered me because I
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 3: was like, wait a minute. you can say anything you
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 3: want to say about me, but you're never going to
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 3: say anything about my marriage because my marriage is rock solid. Like,
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 3: it's not like I'm pretending that it's rock solid and
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 3: it's going to hit, shit's going to hit the fan.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 3: Like we have a solid relationship. So you saying that
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 3: is you portraying your insecurities or your, you know, your
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 3: fears or what you like, what you're living onto me.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 3: And then I was like, but there's a lot of
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 3: housewives that are very happily married that joined the group
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 3: of housewives. So yeah, It rubbed me and pissed me off,
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 3: rubbed me the wrong way, because I was like, this
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 3: statement's so out of line. That's where the insecurity came about.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 3: She's very secure in her own skin if she's hanging
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 3: out with somebody that's wealthier or somebody that has nothing
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 3: to do with money. We're in a great place.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: We.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 3: We're both alphas. We're both very strong opinionated. We both
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 3: are firecrackers. Like you ignite us within like a millisecond.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 3: But she's great. She's great. And I hope that she
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 3: finds a great guy and moves on from that.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's an interesting situation she has going on. But
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 4: you did say there's a lot of housewives that have
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 4: great marriages.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, there actually aren't.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 4: I mean, you probably- Well, there is- Heather Dubrow- Okay,
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 4: Heather Dubrow is probably one of the last ones, Stani.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: Okay, there are.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 3: Kathy Hilton.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 3: Marisol Patton.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but she met her guy later in the show.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: She was single.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 4: I think, I'm not saying it's going to happen for you.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 4: I do believe you have a great marriage, but I
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 4: was curious. So I guess you didn't hear, but there
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 4: is like what they would say, almost like a Kardashian curse,
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 4: a housewife curse, where many women after they appear on
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 4: the show throughout the last almost 20 years end up
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 4: getting divorced. If you look at like all the OC
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 4: girls and the New Jersey girls and all these other
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 4: things and New York.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: And so I just wondered if anybody in your world.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 4: Came to concern of, even if you have a rock
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 4: solid marriage, it's hard to anticipate what the voices online and,
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 4: and everything might do to chip away at a, what
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 4: would normally be, you know, a solid marriage.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 3: Um, add to that list, Lisa Rinna, cause she's still
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 3: also married, but.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: And she, yeah, yeah, that's true. And she left though.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: That's good.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: She left.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 3: So there's, I mean, if there's, there's definitely, I'm sure
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 3: more that I just don't know their names, but, um,
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 3: I don't know. And maybe I'm speaking out of line
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 3: here because I haven't really been a fan of like
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 3: all of the franchises, nor have I did I do
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 3: my homework and watching them like religiously or like I
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 3: didn't really know so much. So maybe you're going to
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 3: tell me I'm way out of line here. But. I
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 3: feel like. My husband is very secure in his skin.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 3: He does not care if I'm shining brighter. He does.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 3: It's not about money. There's no worry about the paycheck
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 3: or if it's coming, if it doesn't, I'm not a,
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 3: like a breadwinner per se, that makes a dent in
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 3: this relationship. Um, So he's so secure in himself. Like
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 3: he does not care. He's rock solid about like what
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 3: people are saying. So I think that is a way
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 3: that maybe would crumble a relationship. He, I always said,
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 3: and I still say this to my friends, if you
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 3: are truly an ambitious woman, you have two options. You
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 3: either marry a supportive husband or you don't get married
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 3: at all. That's it. And it's a supportive husband that
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 3: is going to support your decisions through whatever it is
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 3: and never feel inferior or doubt that you are making
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 3: the right choice. So I feel that that's how Masoud
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 3: and I are, but it does scare me because I'm like, wait,
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 3: am I not seeing what everyone else is seeing? Or
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 3: am I just that lucky that I have this amazing relationship?
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 3: Or am I really just boarding the train of disaster?
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 4: Well, now that you said that, and if I was
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 4: to write a college paper on it now, I would
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 4: want to highlight the marriages that have made it and
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 4: see what those similarities are. And now that you've pointed
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 4: it out, I do think that everybody that I have
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 4: talked to that got divorced after being on the show,
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 4: they all said, I would have probably still gotten divorced,
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 4: but it may be this sped it up. Maybe highlighting,
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 4: so maybe highlighting the negativity or they went on the
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 4: show because they weren't happy in their marriage and they
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 4: thought either watching it back would make the asshole husband
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 4: realize he was an asshole and be nicer or give
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 4: them an avenue to leave the asshole. So now that
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 4: you say that, I look back at the ones you
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 4: brought up, the Hilton's, have been married forever and they
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 4: lived through fame already before she got on the show.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 4: So I, and he keeps his distance and he thinks
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 4: she's a hoot. The first time I met Rick Hilton,
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 4: he said, he knew me as a comedian and he said, you.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: Know, Kathy does impressions.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 4: Kathy does all these voices, which is like so funny
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 4: that now we see her as a funny person.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: We didn't know that, you know, 15 years ago.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 4: And also, you know, the way that, Lisa and Harry Hamlin,
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 4: even when she goes, don't fucking talk about the husband
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 4: or whatever, it's because she was smart enough to know like,
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 4: you can, you're not going to ever fuck with that.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 4: You know, it's people that I think you're right. I
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 4: think it's women that come into it and have it
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 4: at a pedestal. I mean, I do think a shocking
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 4: one was, was Kyle and Mauricio, but I would also
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 4: argue that if Kyle and Mauricio weren't in the public eye,
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 4: would they have lasted as long as they did? Because
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 4: she even said, It hurts me when people said, you
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 4: were our goals. And it was the thing I was
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 4: the most proud of that I stayed married this long.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 4: And it makes me wonder, well, would you have stayed
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 4: married that long if you weren't stuck on this pedestal
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 4: of the lasting cutest couple? You know, like sometimes I'm like,
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 4: sometimes these people that go relationship goals, I'm like, God,
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 4: that's a lot to live up to too.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 4: That everyone thinks you're like this great thing. So no,
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 4: I'm not worried about you guys. I just wanted to
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 4: have you... you know, heard that, but I think you
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 4: bringing up too, that the money isn't something that's keeping
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 4: the household going.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: And I do think with certain housewives.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 4: It gets to be that, or it's the addiction to
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 4: the fame that they never want to let go. Like
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 4: there's people that have been on the show that are
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 4: kind of like, I can take it or leave it
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 4: or whatever. And then there's other, you know, there's other
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 4: ones that I feel like get a taste of it.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 4: And maybe they always dreamt of being on a friend's
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 4: type of show back in the nineties, but didn't really
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 4: do the work to get there. And now like, what
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 4: was your, what was your relationship with like, as a
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 4: little girl, did you ever secretly think that you could
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 4: be like a famous person or want to be on TV?
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 4: You said once you started doing the pilot stuff, you
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 4: actually liked it, but was that ever something that you
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 4: aspired to do?
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 3: No. So I just always really liked marketing. It's very
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 3: clear if you follow my pages that I really like
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 3: to market Shoma. Like I just live and breathe marketing.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 3: I just genuinely enjoy it. And I think that was
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 3: really what pushed me to be like, TV is going
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 3: to be fun because you get to put the brand
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 3: out there. And of course it would be fun. But
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 3: I guess a little girl, I think more than anything,
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 3: I just wanted to, you know, see what it was
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 3: to like have friends and like be, you know, surround
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 3: myself with people. And then with time is when I
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 3: realized this is not, you know, it's just not, it's tough.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 3: It's very tough having friends and cultivating the friendships and stuff.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 3: But I never really looked forward to being famous. It
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 3: was when Larsa and I had that conversation and she
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 3: was like, I think you'll enjoy it. You already enjoy
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 3: social media. It'll be fun. Um, but to be honest
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 3: with you, Heather, I go to bed at like eight 30.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 3: Like I'm not out. Like when we go to restaurants
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 3: at six o'clock, you don't catch me in Miami going
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 3: out like at nine to be seen. I'm not going
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 3: to purposely like the hottest restaurants to get a picture
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 3: taken of me. It's not my personality. Um, So has
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 3: fame really done anything for me that I love, love? No,
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 3: not really.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 4: I think that's also really interesting. It was just something
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 4: I've said about like the future of these type of
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 4: shows and stuff is that by getting younger people like yourself,
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 4: they have, you know, experienced the last 20 years being
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 4: on social media and sharing a lot about their life.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 4: So going the next step and having a reality show
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 4: isn't such a huge, massive change in their life the
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 4: way it was if someone joined Housewives with no social
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 4: media 10 years ago, had their marriage exposed, had all
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 4: this stuff.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: I think that's why.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 4: The TikTok moms and the Mormon moms why they are
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 4: so open about their lives on camera because they already
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 4: were open on it before and why like the gen, um,
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 4: the next gen or whatever that show in New York
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 4: with all the other kids that were, you know, children
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 4: of housewives or whatnot, why they're really comfortable in doing it.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 4: And it's not like a debilitating thing to have their.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: Life out there. And so, yeah, I agree with, with,
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: with what Larsa said.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 4: Um, You know, it's also a challenge with Housewives when
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 4: they bring on a friend that they're like, you better
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 4: be my friend and we better stick together and be
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 4: loyal forever. Because throughout filming, that could be fractured. Was
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 4: that ever a concern? Do you think of Larsa's?
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 3: I don't think so. And it's funny because I was
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 3: just talking about this the other day. I think Larsa
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 3: knows my personality. Like, it's like, if you know exactly
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 3: who I am and like how I am... in the
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 3: sense of like, I'm argumentative, like I'm not going to
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 3: stay quiet. You know, I'm not a pushover. I'm not
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 3: going to be able to side with you if I
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 3: think you're completely wrong. And I'm going to give you
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 3: my opinion. I'm just not a soft-spoken person. So I
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 3: don't think she expects me to just side with her blindly.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 3: I mean, maybe I'm not going to throw her under
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 3: the bus because that's horrible, but I'll definitely voice to
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 3: her like, I think you're wrong. And I also think
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 3: that makes a strong relationship and a strong friendship if
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 3: you're honest with your friend. And she understands how I
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 3: am and I understand how she is. I mean, she
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 3: didn't take my side at something on the reunion and
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 3: it wasn't major, but, you know, I'm not, I hang
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 3: out with her like every other day. I go to
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 3: her house and stuff. So I think it's, we're good.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I love it.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 4: Well, I thoroughly enjoy getting to know you. And I'm
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 4: so glad that you came on Juicy Scoop because I
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 4: always think those are my favorite kind of interviews is
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 4: when there's a new housewife and we just don't really
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 4: know the story and we can hear it directly like
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 4: in a long episode like this and get to really
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 4: know like your point of view and your background. And
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 4: thank you for being so open and honest and sharing everything.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 4: And I do love the show. I think Miami is
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 4: so fun just as a city, as like a eighth character.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 4: And I like all the girls. I think Marisol is hilarious.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 4: I think they're all funny. I think Lisa's funny. I
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 4: think Kiki is great. You know, the one thing I
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 4: was going to say that I also appreciate you bringing
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 4: up is that, you know, your estrangement from.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: Your sisters and.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 4: I have an estrangement with family members as well, siblings,
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 4: and that I shared on this platform and on my Patreon.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 4: And I think it's something that people immediately think is
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 4: like so weird and shocking unless you've lived it yourself.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 3: Once you live it and then you, you understand, like,
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 3: it's just, it's wild because like, it's not like we
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 3: don't want to make up. I'm sure you want to
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 3: fix it. It's just, sometimes it's like, you don't know
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 3: where to go, how, how to fix it. You know,
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 3: they think you're the bad one. You think they don't
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 3: understand you.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 4: It's, And it's hard, too, when one person is at
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 4: a level of success and fame and money, and it's
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 4: always perceived as like, you know, oh, you think you're this,
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 4: or you didn't invite me, or it's never enough. It's
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 4: like when you realize, oh, well, that's not going to
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 4: be enough. If you gave them a small house to
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 4: live in, they'd be like, well, thanks. It might be
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 4: nice to have a pool in Miami.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 4: You know, like whatever it is, you know, and I
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 4: think a lot of people can, and we even saw
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 4: it a little bit with Kiki talking about the, the,
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 4: her relatives in Haiti and how upset she was and,
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 4: you know, what a difficult situation that is. And I
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 4: thought that was like a really unique thing that I've
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 4: never seen talked about on TV. And so I, I
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 4: do love the show for the, the different cultural aspect
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 4: of it. And, um, I think your show is like
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 4: very unique to the other franchises. And so, um, I
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 4: hope that you stay on and I hope that, you know,
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 4: all the girls, I think all the girls need to
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 4: say like so many times at an end of a season,
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 4: we're almost at the end of season. People will be like,
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 4: this person has to go. And I haven't really seen that.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 4: I think you guys are like a really.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 2: We're funny.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 3: That's for sure. Yeah.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 4: They're funny, cohesive and, and a lot of like deep
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 4: love and friendship there too.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: Among the women.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. For sure. I think it's good. I mean,
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 3: I'm glad that I tried it. I'm glad that I
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 3: ended up throwing myself in there. I'm not going to
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 3: say it's easy. Reality TV is very hard. Not only
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 3: is it time consuming, um, I'm strong person, but you know,
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 3: even if I had a social media following now being
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 3: picked up by the press, just for whatever reason, like,
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 3: it's like I've posted something and then it ends up
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 3: on like, you know, some article and I'm like, wait,
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 3: everything's misconstrued. Everything's just, that's been really tough on me.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 3: That's been really hard. But, um, The girls are great.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 3: And I think it was, it was fun. Wait till
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 3: you watch the reunion though. The reunion, I don't even know.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 3: Like at one point I was like, I don't even
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 3: know like what to do with myself right now. It was,
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 3: it was wild.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 4: Did you have a hard time choosing your dress and
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 4: hair and makeup and all that whole look?
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 3: I did.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 5: I did.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 3: Well, I did the hair. I did. I like to
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 3: do like a lot of different things. So that was fine.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 3: Cause I've had the same glam team for 10 years.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 3: So they're always with me. That was a little bit easier.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 3: The dress, I had a hard time. I ended up
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 3: getting it designed by someone. Um, so.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 4: I think that's smart because I always am like, you know,
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 4: they give you like a color palette or whatever, right,
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 4: that they want you to stick with. And then, but
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 4: I'm also like, you know, you're sitting for like eight hours.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 4: So there's always like certain dresses where I'm like, okay,
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 4: you know, this, you've got to, if it was me,
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 4: I'm like, I'd want to kind of camouflage everything.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 2: Any kind of tummy area, kind of like a squirt
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: of fat coming like underneath the armpit.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 3: My short little arms.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 4: But then like you want to show a leg and
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 4: a great shoe and you want to.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: Be somewhat comfortable.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 4: And I think so many times people don't do the
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 4: whole sitting test before choosing. So I do think getting
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 4: a dress made would probably be the smartest thing. So
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 4: I'm excited to see The show. We'll tell everybody where
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 4: they can follow you if they aren't already.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 3: The Steph Shojai on Instagram and TikTok. So they, my first,
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 3: my initial, what, Steph and then Shojai.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: Steph with an F, right?
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 3: PH. Heather, you can't pronounce my last name.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 4: I always, because I have two friends that one spells
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 4: it with an F and one spells it with a PH.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: So I always like forget.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 3: So it's S-T-E-P-H and then Shojai, it's S-H-O-J-A-E-E on Instagram.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 3: But thank you so much for inviting me. And, you know,
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 3: I'm sure Derek will tell you and others that I
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 3: am not one to take podcasts and a lot of interviews.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 3: I'm really exclusive about, like, what I take because I
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 3: don't want my– I don't want just an over– shadowing
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 3: one other one in another podcast. And so I'm very
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 3: happy that it was yours. Thank you for inviting me.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 3: It was very fun. And I'm glad that you know,
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 3: you get to know a little bit more about me
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 3: and the world because right now they're all judging from
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 3: a couple minutes that they see on TV.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I'm excited. I'm excited for the future and
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 4: the reunion. And thanks again for taking the time out
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 4: of your busy day. It was really fun to talk
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 4: to you.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you so much.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks.
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